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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello @ All,

    Took a little longer than I thought for the SELF MADE EXPERT to make his usual speech attempting to speak about what I say.

    But be it noted he was incorrect as usual. I purposely only commented on the CAPTOR BUILD! I never commented on the way it was used by the video person and the bait worked. when I finished looking at the schematic he used it was already apparent that no ground rods were in use! some people catch on slow and then want to blow and claim its new info! HA1 HA!

    OH WELL.

    Later,

    Clarence
    Yes Clarence keep up the great job. The same ones chime in
    repeating the same disingenuous rhetoric for fear their
    world might crumble

    Many are catching on about how to get the extra as well
    as watching a few be upset over all of the attention
    you are getting Clarence. Aint dat just to bad?

    It seems there are those who can not stand a warm
    peaceable communication taking place so they must
    dishonor others.

    The work that the guys are doing is a great achievement
    that puts them on the road to success. Keeping the door
    open to an experiment with one or more toroids is a smart
    way to get new workers.

    You guys are great out there. Working together is fun.

    We are watching.

    MikeyU-da-Man Clarence keep these guys goin
    Last edited by BroMikey; 06-16-2015, 06:37 AM.

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by meetglass View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK9yVl8xw-g
    (Bez uziemienia?) No Ground?
    Hello @ All,

    Took a little longer than I thought for the SELF MADE EXPERT to make his usual speech attempting to speak about what I say.

    But be it noted he was incorrect as usual. I purposely only commented on the CAPTOR BUILD! I never commented on the way it was used by the video person and the bait worked. when I finished looking at the schematic he used it was already apparent that no ground rods were in use! some people catch on slow and then want to blow and claim its new info! HA1 HA!

    OH WELL.

    Later,

    Clarence

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  • level
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    Originally posted by totoalas View Post
    the plug and outlet have ground connection
    either he replaced his rcd cb to an ordinary one as he has done in his previous video
    the primary L and N of the toroid is being measured
    the secondary L same phase connected and ground instead of Neutral is not measured by the input power meter as there is no return path

    the output of secondary measures higher wattage

    so without captor ( L + E) L N measures higher wattage due to close loop with load

    With captor ( L + E) No Neutral the input is measuring only the toroid

    Live and ground will still run the vacuum with out the captor


    Live and ground is still illegal in our country and with permanent disconnection/ penalty even jail time is the punishment

    so Clarence design is the best option if we are to replicate

    my opinion only happy experimenting
    This is most likely the correct explanation for that video. It is just a ground loop. The ground loop bypasses the wattmeter, so that is probably why it doesn't register the power used by the vacuum cleaner on the wattmeter. This has been pointed out a number of times already in this thread. The 'captor' transformer is probably doing nothing in that demo except wasting some power. Ignore video demos where the captor loop is powered from the mains, as that just shows the person doing the demo is either just trying to fool people, or they have no understanding of what they are doing.

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  • level
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello meetglass'

    It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

    The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

    I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

    Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

    Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

    all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

    Thanks!

    best wishes and Respects,

    Clarence
    What Clarence is saying here is not correct. The single toroid Barbosa and Leal device does require an earth ground. Anyone can look in Barbosa and Leal's patent docs to see this for themself.

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  • djarno
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    Originally posted by djarno View Post
    Just had an phone call.

    220-230V toroids with full winding and secondary, despite the fact I need to remove the secondary, with 300 VA @ 60 HZ is actually cheaper and less delay due no manual winding.

    Just fyi to those who are interested.
    Getting 2x 220V toroids primary (360) with secondary for 30 euro excl tax (thus 1.21) tommorow.

    @clarence, whats about the RMS value exactly ?

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  • djarno
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    Originally posted by djarno View Post
    It is plausible though that he putted power on the ground (though unlikely)

    I'm in Europe as well. I have the copper rods (pipes) but didn't put them in the ground yet.

    Using an European ground is also workable then ?

    And two toroids is better then 1 (amplifying) ?

    What toroids you suggest and wire size to pull 180 amps ? (max load back to meter here 60 amp per phase)

    Ah well can't wait for my toroids to arrive.
    Just had an phone call.

    220-230V toroids with full winding and secondary, despite the fact I need to remove the secondary, with 300 VA @ 60 HZ is actually cheaper and less delay due no manual winding.

    Just fyi to those who are interested.

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  • djarno
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello meetglass'

    It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

    The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

    I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

    Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

    Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

    all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

    Thanks!

    best wishes and Respects,

    Clarence
    It is plausible though that he putted power on the ground (though unlikely)

    I'm in Europe as well. I have the copper rods (pipes) but didn't put them in the ground yet.

    Using an European ground is also workable then ?

    And two toroids is better then 1 (amplifying) ?

    What toroids you suggest and wire size to pull 180 amps ? (max load back to meter here 60 amp per phase)

    Ah well can't wait for my toroids to arrive.

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  • Groundloop
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    Originally posted by totoalas View Post
    the plug and outlet have ground connection
    either he replaced his rcd cb to an ordinary one as he has done in his previous video
    the primary L and N of the toroid is being measured
    the secondary L same phase connected and ground instead of Neutral is not measured by the input power meter as there is no return path

    the output of secondary measures higher wattage

    so without captor ( L + E) L N measures higher wattage due to close loop with load

    With captor ( L + E) No Neutral the input is measuring only the toroid

    Live and ground will still run the vacuum with out the captor


    Live and ground is still illegal in our country and with permanent disconnection/ penalty even jail time is the punishment

    so Clarence design is the best option if we are to replicate

    my opinion only happy experimenting
    Totoalas,

    I agree with you, it is much safer to use Clarence design than messing with the mains. Here in Norway we have two live wires and local ground. Between the house ground and Earth ground there is a ground fault relay that will cut the mains if there is any current going from the live wires to ground. So if I try to connect a circuit as shown in the video where the load is in series with one of the live wires and then to ground, then the ground fault rely will trip and cut the mains.

    GL.

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  • totoalas
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello meetglass'

    It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

    The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

    I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

    Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

    Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

    all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

    Thanks!

    best wishes and Respects,

    Clarence
    the plug and outlet have ground connection
    either he replaced his rcd cb to an ordinary one as he has done in his previous video
    the primary L and N of the toroid is being measured
    the secondary L same phase connected and ground instead of Neutral is not measured by the input power meter as there is no return path

    the output of secondary measures higher wattage

    so without captor ( L + E) L N measures higher wattage due to close loop with load

    With captor ( L + E) No Neutral the input is measuring only the toroid

    Live and ground will still run the vacuum with out the captor


    Live and ground is still illegal in our country and with permanent disconnection/ penalty even jail time is the punishment

    so Clarence design is the best option if we are to replicate

    my opinion only happy experimenting
    Last edited by totoalas; 06-14-2015, 03:17 PM.

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by meetglass View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK9yVl8xw-g
    (Bez uziemienia?) No Ground?
    Hello meetglass'

    It appears as there is no ground because that is a euro country and they do not use a neutral and ground system per say as we in the US do.

    The Captor arrangement shown is simply one of B&L's larger SINGLE toroid Captors that they used. I have built a couple of those units and briefly powered them up but never implemented them because my two toroid system seemed a lot easier going the ground rod route.

    I can tell right off that he has a valid Captor build because of the IDLE amperage reading he showed. in effect he was SPOT ON!. the larger single toroid units at idle will generally show around 100 to 127 amps due to the fact of the single toroid setup. the single setup ALWAYS requires a HELL of a lot larger AWG size and that is another point in the video that validates his set up. looks like about a #1 ought wire size which is what I used on my second similar build. he only used three winds but B&L always used four.

    Took me about an hour of frame viewing - frame by frame until I could pick out the rest of his schematic but I finnally got it! I also noted he threw a couple of none used items in the box to try to confuse viewers! the little Bugger!

    Also this was a MAINS USE DEMO so you know the loonies will be crawling out by the bunches - just watch!

    all in all it was a nice video you caught! glad you posted it!

    Thanks!

    best wishes and Respects,

    Clarence

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  • meetglass
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK9yVl8xw-g
    (Bez uziemienia?) No Ground?

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  • wantomake
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    good to hear

    Clarence,
    Thanks for the experimentation there. I'm still waiting for the two smaller toroids in the mail. Can use them elsewhere I'm sure.

    I may order the same two you use in your setup later this summer.

    Need to travel to west coast late july, my daughter lives in Tustin, California. So will save the finances for that.

    Hey I noticed over on OU the videos of someone using ac motor cores in place of large toroids. I know these are not the same as toroids in performance. I have many smaller ac motors laying around. Or am I wasting my time?

    Thanks for your patience with me,
    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Thank you Sir,
    As always anyone here is at their own risk at replicating this setup. Thanks for the "do at your own risk" there.

    Yes I will listen and learn as this project goes on. I know there is so much more to good ole Earth power than we've found or understand.

    Thanks,
    wantomake
    Hello CANGAS & wantomake,

    I built and tried the inductor toroid model and it wont work as anticipated whether using an inline or parallel capacitor.
    it just acts like it was made for and results in a short to the circuit.

    Oh well - will look for another way to do a mini build!

    Till then,

    Best wishes & Respects,


    Clarence

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by CANGAS View Post
    Clarence, I am having chronic trouble with my Internet, A O Hell. My lack of posts is beyond my control.

    I am trying to keep up and encourage you.


    regards
    CANGAS
    Hello GANGAS,

    NO PROBLEM SIR!
    catch it when you can. it will be there for you.

    BEST,
    Respects,

    Clarence

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  • CANGAS
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello CANGAS & wantomake,

    forgot to mention also that I have spare ceramic 250v 2.2 uf capacitors and I will use one series wise on the inverter phase leg to cover the short scenario prevention to the inverter.

    best wishes in the busy labor department - as you said you turn around and
    its already gaining on you - a continual been there done that!

    till later.

    Best, & Respects

    Clarence

    Clarence, I am having chronic trouble with my Internet, A O Hell. My lack of posts is beyond my control.

    I am trying to keep up and encourage you.


    regards
    CANGAS

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