Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[luc2010]

Much Appreciated!!

Thanks Luc

Nice try. Maybe if you put the big wires inside the core area?

Or cut the core center out so it looks like a square.

Then wrap the fine wire on one half then put the big

wire on the other half. That is my idea for those who

want to use a MOT core.

Cutting the center out would not be easy but if you

could use a die grinder very carefully remove it.

It wouldn't be round like a toroid but it be a 60hz

core material. Cut it and then tape each half.

Just a square wound like a round one.

Hi BroMikey,

I will do my best to try what you suggest. Nice ideas!!

Thanks Very much!!

Best Regards
luc2010

[BroMikey]

Hello to All,

I am luc from West Africa, sorry for my english!

after playing with this setup, using the MOT (whats i have hands on ), its not working for me. but i learn alot!!

yes, in the end i know, it is recommended to use the Toroid transformer

noting special to report!!


Best Regards
luc2010

Thanks Luc

Nice try. Maybe if you put the big wires inside the core area?

Or cut the core center out so it looks like a square.

Then wrap the fine wire on one half then put the big

wire on the other half. That is my idea for those who

want to use a MOT core.

Cutting the center out would not be easy but if you

could use a die grinder very carefully remove it.

It wouldn't be round like a toroid but it be a 60hz

core material. Cut it and then tape each half.

Just a square wound like a round one.

[luc2010]

Thanks!!

Hello to All,

I am luc from West Africa, sorry for my english!

after playing with this setup, using the MOT (whats i have hands on ), its not working for me. but i learn alot!!

yes, in the end i know, it is recommended to use the Toroid transformer

noting special to report!!


Best Regards
luc2010

[djarno]

Hello

When you probe with a condenser, as shown in the video, one needs to keep an eye on the Inverter, not to be damaged or burned.

Keep up good work

regards

Inverter auto 🚗 kicks off 📴 when more then 1000 watt is pulled before the ground loop.

[padova]

The heater ��when running runs constant max power on mains or inverter through ground ( with battery �� inverter).

The inverter out is constant 1000 watt out.

I can connect it back on Friday to proof if really necessary. It should be noted while the amps are building the fan sound is going just as fast as before. When playing it over and back �� it seems to be varying, but not as much as it should be that l doubt if it's placebo effect or not.....


Keep in mind that the volts where like 130 ( relook at vid to be exact) while amps see only varying.

That's why I gonna use two transformers (toroids) secondary hooked on primarily one hoking 2 toroids together to increase voltage
voltage ⚡.

If it's pulling amps through magnetic field and or ground it should be notable when using 1000 watt inverter returning over 220 volts through ground loop
loop.

Also I should get an ANALOG watt meter to verify loads and therefore auto correct sin and cosine formula.

Correct me if l am wrong.



Foot note, heater is 1500 watt and when running it pull directly max on socket. only when connected that way amps seem to build instead of instant

Hello

When you probe with a condenser, as shown in the video, one needs to keep an eye on the Inverter, not to be damaged or burned.

Keep up good work

regards

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djarno, I was just throwing out a few examples of things to check, and how to approach it. It is not about proving anything as you are only just getting started. If the heater has much less than full voltage then that might possibly explain why you are seeing varying current, but it could possibly be various other things as well. If you approach it systematically then you should be able to figure it out. The most obvious thing to try is if you remove the ground wire winding around the thick secondary wire does it make any difference at all? If that doesn't make any difference then the ground wire wrapping is obviously not doing anything.

[djarno]

That Hibridor guy is also testing using the mains, and he doesn't appear to have any idea what a mains ground loop is. If someone really understands what a mains ground loop is they would probably only test using a battery and inverter, to eliminate that problem. It is not that anyone using the mains is necessarily trying to hoax people, in many cases people who are doing these things obviously have no understanding of even what a ground loop is, and seem to have no interest in even trying to understand where they could be going wrong.

There is nothing wrong with having an open mind and being willing to try things, but having an open mind means being open to the truth no matter what the truth is, and that means being open to the possibility of more ordinary explanations of what is going on, as well as more unusual possibilities. You showed a video with the current varying, but instead of just assuming that something unusual is going on, instead think of other tests you could do to try to determine better what is happening there. Does the input phase current from the power inverter also vary at the same time? Could the heater be varying its load as the thermostat kicks in and out and the heater heats up and cools down? If you take the windings of the ground wire off the big secondary loop wire does the current still vary the same way, etc.? If you really want to understand what is going on you have to think of different ways that you can test so you can understand better what is actually happening there. It is easy to jump to wrong conclusions about this sort of thing, but if you take your time and investigate and test in a careful and systematic way you should be able to figure out what is really happening there.

The heater 🔥when running runs constant max power on mains or inverter through ground ( with battery 🔋 inverter).

The inverter out is constant 1000 watt out.

I can connect it back on Friday to proof if really necessary. It should be noted while the amps are building the fan sound is going just as fast as before. When playing it over and back 🔙 it seems to be varying, but not as much as it should be that l doubt if it's placebo effect or not.....


Keep in mind that the volts where like 130 ( relook at vid to be exact) while amps see only varying.

That's why I gonna use two transformers (toroids) secondary hooked on primarily one hoking 2 toroids together to increase voltage
voltage ⚡.

If it's pulling amps through magnetic field and or ground it should be notable when using 1000 watt inverter returning over 220 volts through ground loop
loop.

Also I should get an ANALOG watt meter to verify loads and therefore auto correct sin and cosine formula.

Correct me if l am wrong.



Foot note, heater is 1500 watt and when running it pull directly max on socket. only when connected that way amps seem to build instead of instant

[BroMikey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzKSBqPPWI

quite interesting although his lack of external ground (using ground from outlet) makes one wonder how this works. That would be about 100x OU if you just go from the watt meter readings.

Nice one, I saw some of these single toroids as captors on video

before and I just have not tried it yet. Kool Vid E.

[level]

This YT video doesn't seem to use the wire hoax. Even if its does its unlikely its pulling XXX amps. Although its no effective load its possible to 'accidently' fake/assume it yet.

That Hibridor guy is also testing using the mains, and he doesn't appear to have any idea what a mains ground loop is. If someone really understands what a mains ground loop is they would probably only test using a battery and inverter, to eliminate that problem. It is not that anyone using the mains is necessarily trying to hoax people, in many cases people who are doing these things obviously have no understanding of even what a ground loop is, and seem to have no interest in even trying to understand where they could be going wrong.

There is nothing wrong with having an open mind and being willing to try things, but having an open mind means being open to the truth no matter what the truth is, and that means being open to the possibility of more ordinary explanations of what is going on, as well as more unusual possibilities. You showed a video with the current varying, but instead of just assuming that something unusual is going on, instead think of other tests you could do to try to determine better what is happening there. Does the input phase current from the power inverter also vary at the same time? Could the heater be varying its load as the thermostat kicks in and out and the heater heats up and cools down? If you take the windings of the ground wire off the big secondary loop wire does the current still vary the same way, etc.? If you really want to understand what is going on you have to think of different ways that you can test so you can understand better what is actually happening there. It is easy to jump to wrong conclusions about this sort of thing, but if you take your time and investigate and test in a careful and systematic way you should be able to figure out what is really happening there.

[djarno]

ewizard, djarno, that video has already been posted here and it is most probably just showing a mains ground loop, which I have demonstrated earlier in this thread. A mains ground loop can potentially fool certain types of wattmeters since the ground loop has the return current returning to the mains service panel outside of the wattmeter. So far I have not seen any Barbosa and Leal replication attempt that demonstrates getting COP > 1 using a battery and inverter as the power source.

I'm back home on friday, then I should be able to test the toroids to amplify the voltage. If it works as its hooked now (and hoping it works) voltage should drop but since its way over 220 then on return rods it should be higher anyways.

I got 2 ways 'replicated' (well tested as in I saw the 'effect' working without properly understanding) either amp DROPPING from the 160 amp wire when load pulled (but drops more then it should but that's plausible because the return voltage is like 60%) OR it is going to be amp building.

This YT video doesn't seem to use the wire hoax. Even if its does its unlikely its pulling XXX amps. Although its no effective load its possible to 'accidently' fake/assume it yet.

YT link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LFmmyl1JmM

While I want it to work, I need to be realistic. Hope makes lives live or how they say it ?

[level]

ewizard, djarno, that video has already been posted here and it is most probably just showing a mains ground loop, which I have demonstrated earlier in this thread. A mains ground loop can potentially fool certain types of wattmeters since the ground loop has the return current returning to the mains service panel outside of the wattmeter. So far I have not seen any Barbosa and Leal replication attempt that demonstrates getting COP > 1 using a battery and inverter as the power source.

[djarno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzKSBqPPWI

quite interesting although his lack of external ground (using ground from outlet) makes one wonder how this works. That would be about 100x OU if you just go from the watt meter readings.

Video is probably fake.

I can't test due live poultry on the Barn where l play around.

Assuming there is an ground breaker in the roads power supply it's fake.
If not, and the power meter isn't an smart meter its due the sin and cosine formula off thus stealing as only smart meters 📒 register the power then.

Or its no hoax.

If it's no hoax and legit he would share full details. If not he is simply not around to help humanity. Tesla gave us the seeds which got suppressed it's up to us to replicate and grow the seeds.

[ewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkzKSBqPPWI

quite interesting although his lack of external ground (using ground from outlet) makes one wonder how this works. That would be about 100x OU if you just go from the watt meter readings.

[djarno]

Hey djarno

Thanks 4 showing all of your experiments outside the box.

You are just my kind

Someone contacted me, we are ging to try to get 15 deep with 5m 15mm copper pipes to sustain the voltages ⚡ in an 1x in 12 x out grid.

Hope the amps drop less in the secondary due 220 volt sustaining.

Also gonna use an condensator andere ordered 2 toroids more to increase the voltage ⚡ to crash into the ground perhaps I get more voltage out in return so l need less grounding perhaps.

[BroMikey]

I change the right toroid to the left one later today, and see what happens.

I here later. Thank you for you're comment (and you're compliment earlier) and, of course, general interest.

Hey djarno

Thanks 4 showing all of your experiments outside the box.

You are just my kind