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  • clarence
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    Working on it bro!

    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    This is an amazing post Clarence others are seeing this and this
    subject of earth grounding is becoming more understood. Thanks so
    much for your willingness to open your hand to the next man.

    You are right the ground does play an important part in many Tesla
    based devices and solves the freq/filter problem fast.

    Look here. Your help is greatly appreciated.


    http://www.energeticforum.com/283807-post63.html
    Hello BroMikey,

    I have decided to use a more direct method to use the first TBC as a powered voltage source the keep the battery from its continued drawdown.
    that method is simply to rectify the 122 vac from the TBC - then pass it through a PROPER voltage divider circuit to achieve a safe voltage level for the battery itself ( 14 vdc to 15 vdc - no more ) , then pass that through a DC smoothing capacitor and then straight to the battery circuit itself.

    I said - why not? I already had available from prior art 4 each HUGE 4 amp
    15KV power diodes. Vbid put me on to those years back.
    so that is what I have been working towards and almost completed!
    individual component photos attached!

    I have already briefly used the assembled components and they work quite well.

    I am now waiting for several more 10 Mohm resisters to drop the resultant DC voltage down a tad more. thought I needed only 8 of them but now I know it will take twelve of them to get the job done.
    Should have thought about all this with years of past history in mind.!
    It seems that any FWRB circuit for some reason RAISES the input voltage to a greater value like a Voltage Multiplier wouldIn this particular case the
    122 vac is raised to 170 volts. yes, you read it right! that's why I'm waiting for a couple more resistors from Mouser.

    as a side note, this FWBR setup I have now is the same type Marc B and turion (dave) should be using.
    The part # is 2CLG15KV/4A . Both Amazon and E-bay have the available
    at around 24.99 each. make sure it's the large screw connect on each end!
    the resistors are Mouser # MOX92021000FVE 10 Mohm - about 14 plus change .

    When finished and run I will give results as usual.
    when I was briefly running this FWRB the total input was 120v @ .51 amp.
    I said to myself , if that carries true all the way through into the battery circuit that will be amazing! that was driving the power supply , the ZVS
    unit , the TPC , the TBC , the FWBR , the voltage divider , the smoothing capacitor --- awesome HUH1

    Also note on the attached voltage divider circuit that the last resister seems unused ! however I believe it serves as a bleeder resister to keep discharging the smoothing capacitor, otherwise there would not be anything else to accomplish that? and also at the end of any run the capacitor would be left ready to kill you. notice the earth ground attached to the capacitor also!

    Later BRO,

    respects,

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 03-26-2016, 04:09 PM.

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  • clarence
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    DESERVED ACKNOWLEDGEMENT & KUDOS to YOU!

    Originally posted by seychelles View Post
    Hi Clarence, my suggestion is to rectified the output and connect the DC output
    to a grid tied invertor and that should cost you about 300$.
    Hello seychelles,

    I saw your post weeks back and made note that your information was valid
    at that time.
    I never intended to tye anything to an invertor since I already had an excellent one and that was the one that I have used with my CAPTOR unit from the get-go.

    At the present time I was pissed at not being able to shake the high frequency made by the ZVS driver when it subsequently powered the TBC coils I have been using to produce an alternate voltage supply for the Captor set up to work with.
    I first Intended to dump the voltage to ground and then retrieve it back through the earth ground also. all for the purpose to be able to supply power
    to the battery charger to keep the battery from having a slow but continued
    drawdown.

    then I thought why to hell should I go to all that trouble to power a charger
    when I can rectify all that voltage (blow the frequency to smithereens as ripples) and reduce the voltage to a safe Battery limit (around 14 v to 15v -
    no more) and simply apply that DC voltage directly to the battery circuit it self- end of story.

    that is what I am doing at present as you will see in the following post I make.
    this made me mindful again of your post and it's valid nature. I do want to acknowledge your gracious thoughts and efforts in that direction. that's what valuable members do! Thanks again Sir and many kudos to You!

    Respectfully ,

    Clarence

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  • BroMikey
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    This is an amazing post Clarence others are seeing this and this
    subject of earth grounding is becoming more understood. Thanks so
    much for your willingness to open your hand to the next man.

    You are right the ground does play an important part in many Tesla
    based devices and solves the freq/filter problem fast.

    Look here. Your help is greatly appreciated.


    http://www.energeticforum.com/283807-post63.html

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    Hi Clarence
    I don't know if this can be applied to your design but I think
    you will find it interesting.

    Here is Marc B. who uses the resistors for tuning transformers referring
    to how cold lectric responds.

    http://www.energeticforum.com/283713-post10563.html
    Hello BroMikey,

    I did view the Marc B. post and video and it was definitely interesting to say
    the least! I filed all that info inside myself for future use!

    I had been reviewing all the compiled info about frequency, filters (so-called), and everybody's statements that frequency can't be changed
    (which is quite true and I have known that for eons), and the beat frequency route and on and on and on! enough to make one dizzy except for me.

    I simply sat back armed with all this info and everything else I have stored in myself and applied the ole standby - ODC . Observation, Deduction, Conclusion.
    1. the set frequency by the ZVS can't be changed - like it or don't like it it's stuck up your butt!

    2.the frequency needs to be done away with ENTIRELY without eliminating
    ANY of the other characteristics of the circuit! the frequency needs to be in effect WASHED away!

    3. the only FREE - NATURAL - WASHING AGENT that I know of is OLE
    MOTHER EARTH! and its basic reset frequency is the earth frequency!

    4. the best WASHING MACHINE that I know of and have available is THE CAPTOR SETUP!

    I have two unused already in the ground and available ground rods that I can use to send the N leg voltage of the TBC into the earth with as just an Isolated voltage input. twenty feet away and again isolated and not connected to anything is the other unused ground rod that I can connect to as a return N leg and at the same time effect the 2 1/2 turn wrap around the black #4 AWG loop just as I did in the original CAPTOR setup.
    Also I intend to run the L leg of the TBC straight from the TBC coil to the bottom #4 AWG wire loop and also wrap it the 2 1/2 turns and on to a load terminal strip. this also will help to orient its polarity and help to defeat the remnant of the KHZ that might poke its ugly head up.

    not only will this establish the 60.5 HZ that I am looking for but it will also at the same time ADD the needed amperage to the TBC circuit. a whole bunch of birds with one shot.
    all of this may take a tweak or two here and there but that is the direction I am going to go to solve all of the frequency issue.

    time tells all, so hang on again.
    naturally all of this effort comes at the winter onset busy time, oh well.

    Respectfully,

    Clarence

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  • BroMikey
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    Hi Clarence
    I don't know if this can be applied to your design but I think
    you will find it interesting.

    Here is Marc B. who uses the resistors for tuning transformers referring
    to how cold lectric responds.

    http://www.energeticforum.com/283713-post10563.html

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  • BroMikey
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    Hello to all

    I have been watching the DON Smith video's again and all over again
    and even tho DON is swiping his mouth from the many strokes he
    has had I could still make out his talk on freq's.

    Don said that a device (1 of 200 in Don's case) will have it's own
    happy spot at whatever freq, let's say 38khz I think in one video
    which is a common range.

    Don states the IDEA many different ways and said he had parts
    shown that did not work in the circuits because of what people
    expected. Then he also stated different way about filtering
    as he drooled and swiped. You could tell at his late age that
    he was happy to express his whole heart as a going away
    present. He was happy doing video.

    Basically as a general description based on what people expected
    to see and hear he stated that a portion of the 38khz was extracted
    then saying that the filter would say take only 60hz of that without
    disturbing the main operational stability.

    He also went on to say that the calculations were run as computer
    models took days and he could not go into the filtering process to that
    detail in one meeting. But he generalized that a resistor and transformer
    coil could form a simple filter as the simplest way of relaying a much
    more complex calculation in the end.

    The talks are not engineering focused more flow chart idealistic.

    No calculations were done or shown at the beginning of the circuit
    where the neon transformer was but it did have a specially ordered cap
    on it that later had a value that was discovered and would only work
    on that specific coil impedance of that NST.

    You will see the trend, next is the tesla bifilar step up and spark gap
    with no mention of any calculations on one of the many devices built
    by Don, just here it is , see it? Nothing very specific anywhere.

    2 days is a long time to run and rerun the capacitor inductor impedance/
    resistance models to ensure success into the ball park for openers so
    eventually another one could be done later, in one direction or another.

    For instance we all know a transformer has it's own capacitance so
    when DON pointed out that his output transformer was especially
    wound I know he wasn't kidding about that one.

    In Tesla's work John B. said that he understood the documents
    on HOW Tesla wound them using spacing materials and so forth
    to create the proper relationship between coil turns, spacing,
    gapping between sets of windings to gain the right capacitance
    to inductance needed to extract 60HZ without waste.

    Gotta run guys, C-YA
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-21-2015, 10:07 PM.

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  • clarence
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    Beat frequency

    Originally posted by citfta View Post
    Clarence there is only one way to convert or change a frequency in the real electronic world. That way is to mix that frequency with another frequency to get a difference or beat frequency that is the frequency you want. Here is a link to what I am posting about: Heterodyne

    You are correct that frequency filters do exactly that. They filter out unwanted frequencies. They do not change the frequency. All that garbage Don Smith claimed about changing frequencies with resistors and transformers is just plain wrong as you are finding out.

    Respectfully,
    Carroll
    Hello Carroll,

    thanks for the heads up! I thought that was what was happening.

    I am aware of the beat frequency knowledge but in a small way. will definitely have to change that. I know another member on the thread who has a lot of knowledge on that so I surely will contact him.
    MANY thanks again Sir!

    Respects,

    Clarence

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  • citfta
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    Clarence there is only one way to convert or change a frequency in the real electronic world. That way is to mix that frequency with another frequency to get a difference or beat frequency that is the frequency you want. Here is a link to what I am posting about: Heterodyne

    You are correct that frequency filters do exactly that. They filter out unwanted frequencies. They do not change the frequency. All that garbage Don Smith claimed about changing frequencies with resistors and transformers is just plain wrong as you are finding out.

    Respectfully,
    Carroll

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  • clarence
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    High frequency

    Hello BroMikey,

    with regard to my efforts to overcome the high frequency output of the TBC
    coils, the high frequency has been winning so far. having applied almost all of the known so-called filter circuit models the world adores, none of them has dropped so much as one hertz. I have one more model to apply and then that's it.

    ALL resonant frequency circuits involve capacitance and inductance and in my case that involves a capacitance of 1500uf and an inductance value of 4.61mh
    which gives a resultant frequency of 60.5HZ. however so far that cap value
    and inductor value has not accomplished anything at all. I will try the last model scenario and if that doesn't do it then I will put together my own model.
    However one thing is for sure. the components I use to get the job done will ONLY USE the capacitor and value I stated and the inductor and value I stated! I will not even attempt any other method than that.

    I am beginning to suspect that the various filter models the world knows are only used to SUPPRESS what they call frequency "noise" and not to change the frequency at all. will see!

    enough words - back to it!

    respects,

    Clarence

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  • fer123
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    Divide and conquer, this is one of the reason why I live other forum, please live our differences on the side and focus and replicate, discover, everybody if it not happy whit some parts of the forum be far us possible, the rest of us will be trying the most respect way to help or collaborate if is possible. Thanks to all.

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  • OrionLightShip
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    Originally posted by CANGAS View Post
    Clarence, you look like you are doing well and I am joyful to witness it. You sure made me remember my lazy crazy decade when I lived in Baton Rouge, the relatively mild early winter and all that.

    When the Lord God knew me before I was born, he evidently gave me a talent for investigating the purely mechanical to look for the blessing of free energy. I have sufficiently investigated very roughly 500 concepts. Most have obviously proved failure, many rather quickly. But not all . When Jupiter aligns with Mars and the Moon is in the seventh house, and it is is the Lord's chosen timing, I will have some good news for humanity, especially the poorest among us.

    Your concept is wonderful, taking energy out of the very ground, the breast of mother Earth. I applaud you.

    May the Lord God give you a full cup of blessing as you strive to fine tune your system to bless all the humans willing to give your technology a good look.


    God bless you.
    CANGAS
    Wow! Now I understand what type of person would just show up and be so hateful to Turion, a well respected researcher who more than likely has more money and hours invested than anyone here and is truly concerned with finding a solution to our energy needs.

    You called him a liar and jerk and then come here for some brown nose fellowship with others of your ilk.

    What is a good christian like you doing talking about the dawning of the Age of Aquarius? Aren't you supposed to stay away from astrology?

    Man, do I hate labels and stereotyping people but if the foo chits buddy....you gotta wear it. Let's see just how forgiving you can be now hypocrite.

    Go apologize to Dave, sinner!

    Please?

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello CANGAS,

    Your message says it ALL.THE LORD bless you mightily also SIR!
    MUCH success also to you in your endeavors!

    Respectfully,

    Clarence
    Hello Clarence and CANGAS

    Welcome CANGAS I am glad you are looking our way to see what is
    going on and to find someone who actually acknowledges the ALMIGHTY?
    Wells now that is highly irregular SIR. I really enjoy it.


    Well it's looking good on your progress Clarence and I have a special
    surprise for me today. I know you think this is a typo maybe but the
    surprise is for me as I am sure you already knew.

    See picture below.



    I started watching the old DON SMITH video's and saw this. He was
    saying that one portion of his circuit deals with the amperage and the
    other is volts. I couldn't help but recognize the component parts
    being similar to your understanding of this new energy concept.

    Great work on the first step but first things first so let's get
    those goodies in and the ground made ready as needed.

    PS I'll keep an eye out for the new member.
    Last edited by BroMikey; 12-21-2015, 10:29 AM.

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  • clarence
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    Thanks also

    Hello CANGAS,

    Your message says it ALL.THE LORD bless you mightily also SIR!
    MUCH success also to you in your endeavors!

    Respectfully,

    Clarence

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  • CANGAS
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello BroMikey ,

    you are correct on both of your last posts and thanks for it!

    made the trip today to town to get the new hardware to remake the wire harness for the caps and inductors to drop the frequency to 60 HZ approx.
    then with good results I will first send the 122-124 vac from just the one Tesla Bifilar Coil through the B&L CAPTOR to get the needed AMPERAGE
    to carry loads.

    at this time I will only connect the one TBC output to the XantrexTruecharge2
    unit and see how well it keeps the BATT and MiniBoostPak charged.
    if it keeps these two components " HAPPY " ( as I say ) then there should not be any drawdown on them and I can get on with the rest of the circuit improvements for the other TBC.

    Also, while I was at the electronic supply co. a NEW MEMBER from the company signed on with the energetic forum! his handle is garfield2230 .
    so when you see him on this thread and his account is approved you can give him a hello if you like.

    now I need to get off it and get busy again.

    thanks again Bro,

    Clarence

    Clarence, you look like you are doing well and I am joyful to witness it. You sure made me remember my lazy crazy decade when I lived in Baton Rouge, the relatively mild early winter and all that.

    When the Lord God knew me before I was born, he evidently gave me a talent for investigating the purely mechanical to look for the blessing of free energy. I have sufficiently investigated very roughly 500 concepts. Most have obviously proved failure, many rather quickly. But not all . When Jupiter aligns with Mars and the Moon is in the seventh house, and it is is the Lord's chosen timing, I will have some good news for humanity, especially the poorest among us.

    Your concept is wonderful, taking energy out of the very ground, the breast of mother Earth. I applaud you.

    May the Lord God give you a full cup of blessing as you strive to fine tune your system to bless all the humans willing to give your technology a good look.


    God bless you.
    CANGAS
    Last edited by CANGAS; 12-19-2015, 08:17 AM.

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  • clarence
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    Correct call

    Originally posted by BroMikey View Post
    As you saw Clarence is very busy but from what I know the 60 ground
    rod B&L device ran lights and a refrigerator during the daylight hours.

    He has more than one setup now and from what I understand
    less rods will be needed if any. I think Clarence is trying to change
    his systems dependency on so many rods so he is combining his new
    experimental device with the B&L device.

    But in the beginning you are correct, use 60 rods was the instruction
    and the output was enough to power many things. If you look back in
    the record you will see that the refrigerator ran for about 5 hours at
    times and the battery would begin to discharge some. He would stop
    the system and charge it so he didn't destroy the battery and repeat
    the process over and over again getting excellent runtime powering
    devices all day. No grid power, only a battery and sinewave inverter
    as the source and I am sure you knew that.

    Clarence went on to say that he wanted to get more power and runtime
    without ANY downtime so he thought to add more rods to see if he
    could increase the outputs, however not all geological locations offer
    the same amount abundance of telluric earth currents as the next
    region and may pose a cost effective limit.
    Hello BroMikey ,

    you are correct on both of your last posts and thanks for it!

    made the trip today to town to get the new hardware to remake the wire harness for the caps and inductors to drop the frequency to 60 HZ approx.
    then with good results I will first send the 122-124 vac from just the one Tesla Bifilar Coil through the B&L CAPTOR to get the needed AMPERAGE
    to carry loads.

    at this time I will only connect the one TBC output to the XantrexTruecharge2
    unit and see how well it keeps the BATT and MiniBoostPak charged.
    if it keeps these two components " HAPPY " ( as I say ) then there should not be any drawdown on them and I can get on with the rest of the circuit improvements for the other TBC.

    Also, while I was at the electronic supply co. a NEW MEMBER from the company signed on with the energetic forum! his handle is garfield2230 .
    so when you see him on this thread and his account is approved you can give him a hello if you like.

    now I need to get off it and get busy again.

    thanks again Bro,

    Clarence

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