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  • wantomake
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    Safety

    Originally posted by med.3012 View Post
    Hello to All !


    i just want to give a small answer about how to extract the power from ground or earth, if we talk about Tesla he always speak about special electromagnetic waves that has an electrostatic characters... even it's a varying time waves but has a common behaviors with the known electrostatic charges ... in this case it's normal to get negative charges from the earth , to get these waves we need a special capacitive discharge even i have my own theory in this but i still don't know how Tesla did it .. another requirements is high frequency for local energy production ... the third requirement is high voltage this is clear since we have electrostatic induction we need a relatively high voltage to attract more electrons from the ground .
    Med.3012,
    From the little I understand about our local utilities, I don't want to input/discharge high voltages into the ground. I fear that it may interfere with utility power and/or may bring them back to my location. Again my knowledge can and is growing but want to be careful here.

    That's why I want to just extract energy from the ground. I've done some experiments with dc an ac with the ground rod grid next to my shop. Once I hammered (10" long)pvc 1/2" size into the ground, then placed a galvanised landscape (10" long) nail inside it. Just to see if those "waves" of any kind, would go from input nail to a output nail. I can't remember, but either dc or ac would bridge the gap. A 10 to 15 foot gap. This may be nothing but it was interesting to me. Of course tired many ways with iron, copper, galvanised nails,pipe, and rods just driven into the dirt with direct contact to the earth.

    There's something there I know it. Just can't find it yet !!!!!

    Please keep this discussion coming. You all have a universe of knowledge. Please share and let's stay focused and find this free energy Tesla was passionate about.
    Mother earth (just my hippie term) has more to offer,
    wantomake

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  • med.3012
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Hello to All,
    This setup from Barbosa and Leal is all about extracting excess energy from either the captor loop,ground,aether, etc. The loop can read from 60 - excess 200 amps with Amp clamp. So where do we start? As I add more grounding rods I can get more power from the ground . But only a trace amount with each rod added.
    Please don't ask about my geomagnetic location, because I live in very high nT value area.

    So a question to our knowledgeable crowd. What inventors got energy from the earth(ground) and how? I know Tesla did but how?

    wantomake



    Hello to All !


    i just want to give a small answer about how to extract the power from ground or earth, if we talk about Tesla he always speak about special electromagnetic waves that has an electrostatic characters... even it's a varying time waves but has a common behaviors with the known electrostatic charges ... in this case it's normal to get negative charges from the earth , to get these waves we need a special capacitive discharge even i have my own theory in this but i still don't know how Tesla did it .. another requirements is high frequency for local energy production ... the third requirement is high voltage this is clear since we have electrostatic induction we need a relatively high voltage to attract more electrons from the ground .

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  • wantomake
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    Just ground

    Originally posted by Wistiti View Post
    Hi i gues by parasitic capacitance...
    Thanks Wistiti,
    Yes, but can we do that without an ariel? I have tried the antenna and ground grid experiments, yes there's power there too. But trying to extract from just the ground as a source of energy.

    wantomake

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  • Wistiti
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Hello to All,
    This setup from Barbosa and Leal is all about extracting excess energy from either the captor loop,ground,aether, etc. The loop can read from 60 - excess 200 amps with Amp clamp. So where do we start? As I add more grounding rods I can get more power from the ground . But only a trace amount with each rod added.
    Please don't ask about my geomagnetic location, because I live in very high nT value area.

    So a question to our knowledgeable crowd. What inventors got energy from the earth(ground) and how? I know Tesla did but how?

    wantomake

    Hi i gues by parasitic capacitance...
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  • wantomake
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    Ground power

    Hello to All,
    This setup from Barbosa and Leal is all about extracting excess energy from either the captor loop,ground,aether, etc. The loop can read from 60 - excess 200 amps with Amp clamp. So where do we start? As I add more grounding rods I can get more power from the ground . But only a trace amount with each rod added.
    Please don't ask about my geomagnetic location, because I live in very high nT value area.

    So a question to our knowledgeable crowd. What inventors got energy from the earth(ground) and how? I know Tesla did but how?

    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    Testing different setups but still wanting more from this system.

    1. Trying different size wires wrapped around side of loop to see any difference.
    2. Is the amount of rods for grounding input or output cause any increase in voltage.
    3. How to harness the electrons from the loop , is this possible?

    The setup now has 175 amps showing on the loop, can this be just an anomaly cause the clamp meter is fooled as the wire is connected in a loop?

    I may not get past some of these tests with any valuable results, but will narrow down which part/parts needs changed.

    wantomake
    Hello J,

    Go read your e-mail - the explanation is there.
    Way to early too put something like that out to the public.
    After I complete that process then maybe I'll offer it.
    Maybe.

    Respectfully,

    Clarence

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  • fer123
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    Hello to All. This video It will help to the construction of the system , did not make it yet, but many people in the comment say it work. Wilnson Roa translation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQEqzJmSsY

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  • luc2010
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    Hello
    @ Clarence
    @ Wantomake
    @All,

    Sorry, i dont understand why the secondery coil is not looped?

    based on my own experiments:
    i think the secondery coil is looped!!
    But i am not very sure?...

    if we use high inductance coil for the primary... then the output voltage geos up!!
    else the input current geos up!!

    well, i can charge 330 micro F 400 V to 320 v with no lenz law!!!!!! but how can we use that effect?

    hope hearing from you!!

    Thanks and Regards
    luc2010

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  • wantomake
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    Testing

    Clarence,
    Testing different setups but still wanting more from this system.

    1. Trying different size wires wrapped around side of loop to see any difference.
    2. Is the amount of rods for grounding input or output cause any increase in voltage.
    3. How to harness the electrons from the loop , is this possible?

    The setup now has 175 amps showing on the loop, can this be just an anomaly cause the clamp meter is fooled as the wire is connected in a loop?

    I may not get past some of these tests with any valuable results, but will narrow down which part/parts needs changed.

    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    B&l toroid transformer - primary and secondary

    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Wantomake,


    Well, back to working on the the toroid.
    Wantomake,

    This will be my intended outlook and direction reasoning in the revising
    of one of my primary only toroid transformer.

    The primary wind will still maintain it's low input amp of approx 0.30 amps.
    and the secondary wind should show next to zero. The secondary will only serve as a voltage link/connection back to the primary volt/amp source.
    The secondary will NOT have any inductive attribute whatsoever and the thumbnail below shows and explains why.
    I believe this was the means B&L was able to tie their units to the utility grid
    as a low amp circuit completion means and at the same time open the door to the vast amounts of earth energy being pumped into the whole country side as a Utility Grid. As I said the thumbnail below shows why I think like this. The pic shows three connection points One is the Blue wire that you see.. The other two are the Red/Orange open ends.
    As a toroid transformer the Blue wire would have served as a connection to both the primary and the secondary (input/or output). The two orange or red
    open ends would have been the circuit completion ends (input or output) .

    Will know how correct all this works in the days to come.

    Thanks Friend,

    Clarence
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  • wantomake
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    Gdt

    Clarence,
    Got the GDT in mail today, got it connected and the light still flashes and I found that I needed more input rods for the earth. And the voltage increased, light was full power. So I plugged the smart charger in the same receptacle, charger came on but light started flashing slowly. Also there's less drain on batteries with toroid unplugged.

    I have tried the traditional circuit with GDT and .001 uf and CAN power the LED bulb plus run smart charger to keep battery bank charged. Batteries lost only a 10th of a volt (12.57 to 12.56) in one hour 20 minutes.

    Now will try new setup you posted about earlier.

    Hope you see something in those pics to improve upon. But I'll try some different setups and see what happens.

    Having fun on nice afternoon,
    wantomake
    PS: Have a second toroid as well.

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Yes I did try #1 #2 to get same results as you. And did try different connections with the loop. But nothing worth typing about. I'm still waiting for the GDT thru snail mail.

    Wish I had more to update,
    wantomake
    Wantomake,

    You really can't do anything without the GDT/CAP so waiting is it!
    Am working to make another of my primary only toroids to B&L specs with their type secondary. takes a while but it's getting there.The thumbnails
    below are important for the info they give.
    Most would say WHAT INFO? that's cause their mind and eyes don't work together.

    First these are B&L units being powered. They are being powered by MAINS!
    Also they ALL have a FIVE WIRE CONTINUITY! Look at the pictures.
    Also a set of same three are ALWAS INPUT_ TWO FROM MAINS + ONE FROM
    EARTH!
    Also a same set of TWO is ALWAYS OUTPUT! Notice the word CARGA
    written on paper and taped to their unit wire entrance point for these TWO same wires. CARGA means LOAD!

    That's one hell of a lot of info I'll be using now to try different hookup methods.

    Also they show different amperage readings at TWO locations - one INPUT
    and one OUTPUT to LOAD.
    Also the LOAD AMPERAGE READING tells me that the LARGE WIRE COIL around their Toroid Core is definitely NOT LOOPED. Otherwise the Current
    Transducer sending its signal to the unit digital amperage reading would only read a CONSTANT AMPERAGE OF ABOUT 106.0 Amps instead of what their hand held meters are showing--O.1 amps for toroid and 22 amps for the load
    they were using at that time. I say this because the current transducer
    was placed on the large coil wire to show what the load was amperage wise
    for any total load at any time during use of the unit.

    All of this knowledge will help me to work towards perfecting what I am doing using a PV/Battery/Inverter as a power supply instead of grid mains.

    Well, back to working on the toroid.

    Hang in there Wantomake, your parts will come in.

    Thanks for listening,

    Clarence
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  • wantomake
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    Same test

    Yes I did try #1 #2 to get same results as you. And did try different connections with the loop. But nothing worth typing about. I'm still waiting for the GDT thru snail mail.

    Wish I had more to update,
    wantomake

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    I can't get a lot from the pictures myself. But I'll give that a try. I've the time today while I wait on parts. I remember following the overunity website when this was a subject over there.

    So will head to shop and try some loop disconnected test.

    wantomake
    Hello, let me give you some early info for comparison.
    1. loop disconnected = zero volts and zero amps.
    2. loop reconnected = 106 amps. hmm?
    3.loop reconnected and and alligator lead wrapped 4 turns to simulate
    their toroid second layer coil = 4 volts. hmm?This suggests
    that they used the first layer coil for one purpose and the second layer
    coil for another purpose. will have figure that one out?
    Will keep editing this post as I progress to avoid a lot of needless posting.
    EDIT#1 A With the Loop ends disconnected and the toroid transformer powered I used a decent
    sized alligator clipped lead between the two loop ends to act as a mini STOUGHT BAR/shunt
    to see what effect that would have. The Clips would only grab a small amount of the multi stranded
    #1 ought cable which inadvertently turned out to be a good thing. The more strands grabbed the higher the amp
    reading - say 75 amp. The less strands grabbed the lower the amp reading - say 12 - 14 amp reading. evidently this is how they set the
    available amp readin of 55 amps which they showed on the digital meter they used.
    #2A At the sametime with the loop ends open I connected the neutral earth ground to one of the open ends and then connected the other open loop end to
    the power strip load neutal . The Line input was connected straight to the terminal power strip line connection. with the inverter on the CFLs lite as they should - no problem.
    Checked the amp reading on the usual center spot of the loop and it read the set 12 - 14 amps (stought bar in place) then I removed the the stought bar lead and the amp reading
    showed only what was really being used - .7 amps instead of what was available. I used the PV/batt/inverter rig for several hours doing all this and seems to hold up fine.
    will get back at it tommorrow. to try some more ideas.

    Later

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 03-24-2017, 06:50 PM. Reason: ALL

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  • wantomake
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    Pictures

    Clarence,
    I can't get a lot from the pictures myself. But I'll give that a try. I've the time today while I wait on parts. I remember following the overunity website when this was a subject over there.

    So will head to shop and try some loop disconnected test.

    wantomake

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