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  • Cadman
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    Clarence,

    So glad you have switched to the inverter setup. When you get time would you mind reposting the battery / inverter / charger connections for everyone?

    @Level
    Clarence said earlier that he was just using the mains for convenience. So who cares if the mains setup is a ground loop? He reported the facts about the amp draw of the fused setup.

    Personally, I don't care one bit if OU can be measured. The proof is in the pudding. If Clarence's setup can run the load longer than the battery with inverter alone, then that is all the proof needed. If you can't see the good of that then I don't know what to tell you. I see similarities with Turion's device here; recycling charges. Plus there is the possibility that additional charge may be extracted from the ground. This an open system.

    You've made your point. So give it a rest, OK?

    Respectfully
    Last edited by Cadman; 08-13-2017, 02:53 PM.

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  • wantomake
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    You are way ahead of me

    Originally posted by digits10 View Post
    In between rain & humid sunshine, I've now got 28 8' copper clad ground rods down to ground level. A hammer drill is the only way to go! I still have to drive them down below the surface & connect the ground wire to them. I've still got a way to go, but I'm making some progress

    Wanttomake - congrats on your 40th! We just celebrated our 13th. Guess I'm on the younger end of this spectrum, ha ha.

    Clarence, I hope your 60 ground rods are copper clad & not pure copper, otherwise I might be in for a disappointment.

    More later & thanks for all your work, dedication, advice, info
    digits10,
    Thanks and right back at you there.

    Yes the rods are just copper coated. At Lowes here in US, the cost is $11.95+- each. But they only stock 2-3 at a time. Make sure you use good screw clamps(the ones sold here are 5/8") to secure the #6 wire.
    I tried different methods to connect wire to rod. Weather, rust and poor maintenance lead to bad connections for mine. I plan to purchase the hammer drill you mentioned to drive the rods. Then post hole dig about 4-6 inches down around each rod to make easy access for connecting ground wire. Lastly I'll cap each hole with 4" pvc pipe and end cap to keep grass,fire ants and weather from each rod. Will cut slots on both sides of non capped end of 4" pipe for ground (#6) wire. But will try to camouflage each one somehow because of nosy neighbors . There's a large area beside my shop that will mark with spray paint as I'm placing rods 3 feet apart and bury ground wire just below grass level.

    Sorry the wifey and I are just sitting with tablets in hotel after good free breakfast good coffee and too much typing. It's what old couples do in the mornings. Haha....coffee?

    Hope your answer didn't get lost in my musings,
    wantomake

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  • level
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    Hello Clarence. I took a close look at your latest setup, and when connected to the mains it will still just be a ground loop from the mains hot phase wire through your ground rods and through the ground back to the grounded neutral wire on the utility box. Nothing has changed in that regard with this latest setup of yours. That would seem to explain why your setup can only power light loads when powered from your battery and inverter, as you described in your comment above. In other words, it is still the same old mains ground loop situation fooling your power meters.

    You can easily confirm if this is the case or not by doing two very simple tests:

    When powering from the mains:
    When powering some large loads, set your clamp-on meter to measure AC current and measure the current on the 'hot' phase wire (should be the black wire) on your extension cord which is powering the whole setup. If this input hot phase current is way higher than 0.07A, such as in a high Amps range in proportion to the loads you have connected, then you know for certain that it is a mains ground loop fooling your power meter, since the ground loop return current bypasses the power meter.

    When powering from the battery and inverter:
    Simply measure the DC battery current in one of the battery wires going to the input of the inverter, and if this current is quite high in proportion to the loads you are powering, then you know all or much of the power is coming from the battery.


    Last edited by level; 08-13-2017, 03:31 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    BroMikey,

    Thanks BRO for your support.
    Your good intentions are always open and evident.
    I also plan on following Wantomake's advice about not answering
    those posts that are not for the betterment of all.

    Thanks again BRO,

    Clarence
    I agree, it is a waste of time to engage people who side track from
    the main attraction. You guys are so much better to listen to. Keep
    at it.

    Maybe someday we will all have the right schematic and the rest
    of us can then be sure what the parts list is and start ordering.

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  • digits10
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    Progress

    In between rain & humid sunshine, I've now got 28 8' copper clad ground rods down to ground level. A hammer drill is the only way to go! I still have to drive them down below the surface & connect the ground wire to them. I've still got a way to go, but I'm making some progress

    Wanttomake - congrats on your 40th! We just celebrated our 13th. Guess I'm on the younger end of this spectrum, ha ha.

    Clarence, I hope your 60 ground rods are copper clad & not pure copper, otherwise I might be in for a disappointment.

    More later & thanks for all your work, dedication, advice, info

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  • level
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Turned the inverter on and it started same as it did on AC. It keeps the battery level constant and runs light loads. It's been running for nine hours now so I'll just let it continue.

    The limiting factor for loads is the Factory Built Amperage internal capability of of the inverter itself. AN inverter with internal design capability of 10 amps max won't handle but slightly less than that. Even tho its possible to pull large amp loads through the ground the inverter limit stops that from happening.
    Hello Clarence. Believe it or not, I do hope for your sake that you have found something that is really working differently this time around.

    There is something that appears to not make sense with what you are saying here however, unless I am misunderstanding what you were trying to say.

    Previously when you were connected with your current setup to the mains you said it was only drawing 0.07 Amps from the mains. So, if everything is working pretty much the same now when using a battery and inverter instead now, and your inverter is OK up to 10 Amps max, there should be no problem at all with powering all the same kinds of loads connected at the output which you said were pulling around 25 Amps from the ground wire previously. The current draw from your inverter should still only be 0.07 Amps if it is working the same as it was when connected to the mains. Therefore the 10 Amp current limit of your inverter should not be any issue at all. You should be able to use even a small 20 Watt inverter and it should still be able to work fine powering all those same amount of loads as you had connected previously. I would guess I am not the only one who is wondering about this. Why would your inverter need to be rated at higher than 10 Amps if it is working the same as when you were powering from the mains? The current draw from the inverter should only be 0.07 Amps if it is working the same, whether you have light loads or heavy loads connected, as I believe that is how you said it was performing when powered from the mains.

    Last edited by level; 08-13-2017, 01:38 AM.

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  • clarence
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    Thanks!

    Originally posted by BroMikey
    You see folks Clarence was absolutely correct on his connection
    diagram. Let me paraphrase what he wrote:

    He was up at 2oc in the AM, unhooked his device CAPTOR system
    from the AC MAINS from the UTILITY GRID LINE coming from the
    transformer on the POLE.

    Is that clear enough for everybody?

    Next Clarence substituted his boxes, being a alternating current inverter
    that uses a battery to run power thru it. Clarence made the changes
    by supplying his own personal home built mini grid to feed his carefully
    engineered ground collection captor that harvests electrons from the
    earth as specified by the patent.

    Of course people/genius type folks could do things incorrectly by bypassing
    the pole meter like our buddy here does and get themselves jailed or
    wind up in court.

    Things must be done properly by the patent.

    To answer why the B&L company has evolved into a hydrogen production
    facility is the same as Stehan Meyers after his brother Stan died, he was
    given an offer he could not refuse.

    Hydrogen is a controllable tech on the way and the captor is too
    complicated for the average Joe blow. So produce the extra energy
    then convert it to HYDROGEN and everyone is on the same page.

    Otherwise the B&L boys would be tied up with more lawyer paper work
    for decades while they grow old and give up. This is the way the
    alphabetized agencies work. THEY target whomever THEY choose
    such as we saw the IRS targeting patriotic American Militia who THEY
    hate with a passion.

    Making guys like Level look like tiny Tim wearing a pink tutu at a sit
    down picnic lunch. As long as we do not get funding of 50 million to go
    all out to remove the oil markets, we will be allowed to breath.

    Like it or not, I have watched THEM murder many times in the
    "INTERESTS OF NATIONAL SECURITY"

    These people are heartless, brainwashed nerds, who have what they got by extortion.

    As long as we do not try to save the world thru any multi million dollar
    heroic plot to over throw the present system over night, we will be
    safe.

    One of Stan Meyers last boasts was that he had funding of over 50 mil
    and that JESUS? told him that we now have the world powers by the
    chandlers. Yes that is right Stan said JESUS TOLD HIM that it was now
    time to take away the oil robbers power from them.


    Don't be a stupid fool. This system is not going to end like that.

    I Love you all, be safe and live life to the full in peace, arming yourselves
    with the knowledge of clear thinking.

    Michael Rowland
    Central Kansas
    USA
    BroMikey,

    Thanks BRO for your support.
    Your good intentions are always open and evident.
    I also plan on following Wantomake's advice about not answering those posts that are not for the betterment of all.

    Thanks again BRO,

    Clarence

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  • clarence
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    Thanks

    Originally posted by wantomake View Post
    Clarence,
    Thanks for your perseverance and just being patient all this time.

    I'm away from home with the wifey celebrating our 40th. Yes it tells my age and craziness.

    I'm so happy to open my Kindle fire tablet and the first post I see is this one. That's great and inspiring to read. If we can power this system with ONLY an inverter/battery setup, then the sky is our limit ole friend.

    As a veteran missionary I've battled with devils, demons and yes people too. But to see this success will shut the mouths of the haters and tptb. There's no greater reward than helping others toward better living and finding FE from this our mother earth.

    I appreciate you letting this ole Carolina coffee chaser be a part of this adventure plus know you as a friend.

    J. or wantomake
    Wantomake,

    Good to hear back.
    Hope that your off grid works as well.
    Adding in other system additives that are known about already, such as solar
    charging,larger battery banks, alternating battery banks, etc, can help also.
    All things take time, but as long as we're breathing we may as well keep after it!
    I'll be listening in, but silent for a while.
    Also your added comment will be accomplished by me

    Thanks J ,

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 08-12-2017, 10:04 PM. Reason: sound advice

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  • wantomake
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    Good time out

    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Wantomake,

    Early this AM (bout 2 AM) I simply unplugged my system from the AC wall plug
    and plugged it into my inverter (3000 watt aims)- Its Smart charger was already connected to the battery/capacitor bank so i plugged it in as a load
    on the setup.
    Turned the inverter on and it started same as it did on AC. It keeps the battery level constant and runs light loads. It's been running for nine hours now so I'll just let it continue.

    The limiting factor for loads is the Factory Built Amperage internal capability of of the inverter itself. AN inverter with internal design capability of 10 amps max won't handle but slightly less than that. Even tho its possible to pull large amp loads through the ground the inverter limit stops that from happening.

    When you get yours going you can work all that out for your self as your needs see fit..

    Hope every thing is coming along good.

    Clarence
    Clarence,
    Thanks for your perseverance and just being patient all this time.

    I'm away from home with the wifey celebrating our 40th. Yes it tells my age and craziness.

    I'm so happy to open my Kindle fire tablet and the first post I see is this one. That's great and inspiring to read. If we can power this system with ONLY an inverter/battery setup, then the sky is our limit ole friend.

    As a veteran missionary I've battled with devils, demons and yes people too. But to see this success will shut the mouths of the haters and tptb. There's no greater reward than helping others toward better living and finding FE from this our mother earth.

    I appreciate you letting this ole Carolina coffee chaser be a part of this adventure plus know you as a friend.

    J. or wantomake

    Added comment: To anyone not adding to the betterment or helping this thread - I will not respond to any of your post. It's a waste of valuable space and time. Bromikey, Clarence, let's ignore the above mentioned and let them voice their opinions and then will go away.
    Last edited by wantomake; 08-12-2017, 09:46 PM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post

    Early this AM (bout 2 AM) I simply unplugged my system from the
    AC wall plug and plugged it into my inverter (3000 watt aims)-
    Its Smart charger was already connected to the battery/capacitor
    bank so i plugged it in as a load on the setup.


    Turned the inverter on and it started same as it did on AC. It keeps
    the battery level constant and runs light loads. It's been running for
    nine hours now so I'll just let it continue.

    The limiting factor for loads is the Factory Built Amperage internal
    capability of of the inverter itself. AN inverter with internal design
    capability of 10 amps max won't handle but slightly less than that.
    Even tho its possible to pull large amp loads through the ground the
    inverter limit stops that from happening.

    That is awesome, so you are running your system on an inverter and
    it works the same within the limits of the device. Sweet deal, just
    under 10 amps with your boxes to date. That is so cool.

    So all you need is a 6000 - 8000 watt box to go on up to 20 plus amps.

    Someone sold me one of those for $200 that ain't no money of course is
    is the modified sine wave type but hey I hear the guys in the back ground
    talking about going ups which is nothing more than a simple switching
    toggle of mosfets thru a transformer block. It might lose a tiny efficiency
    but that would be negligible.

    You really are a phenomena

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  • clarence
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    Off grid & running

    Wantomake,

    Early this AM (bout 2 AM) I simply unplugged my system from the AC wall plug
    and plugged it into my inverter (3000 watt aims)- Its Smart charger was already connected to the battery/capacitor bank so i plugged it in as a load
    on the setup.
    Turned the inverter on and it started same as it did on AC. It keeps the battery level constant and runs light loads. It's been running for nine hours now so I'll just let it continue.

    The limiting factor for loads is the Factory Built Amperage internal capability of of the inverter itself. AN inverter with internal design capability of 10 amps max won't handle but slightly less than that. Even tho its possible to pull large amp loads through the ground the inverter limit stops that from happening.

    When you get yours going you can work all that out for your self as your needs see fit..

    Hope every thing is coming along good.

    Clarence

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  • clarence
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    Misunderstanding

    Originally posted by Coil View Post
    Hello Clarence

    I donít quite understand your explanation regarding connecting the load directly to live and earth that will cause the breaker to trip. At the moment the load is connected that way. What is causing the breaker not to trip?

    Have a nice day

    Coil
    Hello Coil,

    Fist of all , let me thank you for your question.
    Your perplexity is justified. My reference to the breaker tripping only concerned the GDT circuit itself. I'm sorry that I did not make that clear.
    The clarification for that is this, If the GDT were actually removed from that individual circuit it would in essence be a direct short and cause the breaker to trip and automatically shut the whole system down. That can also happen if the GDT is in place but is of a lower arc-over voltage than the system voltage - say for example 120 volts AC.if a 120 volt GDT were to be used it would automatically trigger because it is designed to do just that at that voltage. That is why any GDT used has tobe at a HIGHER voltage rating than the system is based on, That is why I use a 150 volt rated GDT in this circuit.
    That let's it act as the safety feature for the whole system. ANY type of voltage surge will enable it to dropout the whole system and protect all the components and loaded items presently being powered by this system.
    Please forgive me for not making that clear to you Sir.
    And again , thanks for your question - hope this helps.

    Respectfully ,

    Clarence

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  • level
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    Originally posted by pedroxime View Post
    I have been several times in Brazil. Power electric companies are very very powerfull , the most odvious is they arrived to some deal to forget the full thing and focus in other projects.
    Hello pedroxime. Anything is possible, but if you take a close look at how these Barbosa and Leal devices were supposed to work, and all the internal components and the way they should be connected have been confirmed by a very thorough tear down of an actual B&L built device by Ariovaldo, then it seems unlikely that these devices did anything but rely on a ground loop and maybe fool the power meter in some countries. It seems more likely to me that it was made clear to Barbosa and Leal that they could go to jail for fraud if they continued to try to sell their 'Captor' devices and so they completely dropped them and moved onto something else.

    Last edited by level; 08-12-2017, 03:31 PM.

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  • pedroxime
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    I have been several times in Brazil. Power electric companies are very very powerfull , the most odvious is they arrived to some deal to forget the full thing and focus in other projects.

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  • level
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    Originally posted by padova
    And OP level really sound's a bit negative
    Not at all. Just being realistic. Clarence has been misleading people for two years on this. People should be aware of this. If Clarence had done some of the simple testing that was suggested to him right from the beginning two years ago he would have realized within a couple of weeks that there is nothing out of the ordinary going on with this setup. Maybe in another two years it will finally start to sink in with Clarence what a ground loop is and why you can't test this kind of setup using the mains if you want to have any hope of getting meaningful results, but I wouldn't count on it. Sorry if that seems negative, but it is just the reality of the situation.

    In my opinion, people are just as well off taking one thousand dollars in cash out to their backyard and burning it all in a burning barrel. They will throw away about the same amount of money, but they will save a lot of time and effort doing it this way rather than wasting time on any sort of Barbosa and Leal setup. Just my opinion.

    Reality, what a concept!

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