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  • citfta
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    Hi level,
    I can tell you from personal experience you are wasting your breath trying to have an intelligent discussion with Bro Mikey. When I raised those same points about the Gerard Morin generator I was told by Bro Mikey I was not smart enough to change a tire on a car. Then I was told I had too much education and then I was told I didn't have enough education. He doesn't know how to have a discussion about the technical aspects of a project. He only knows how to make personal attacks against someone that tries to ask legitimate questions.

    Now as to what Clarence is doing, I think it is well worth looking into because it reminds me of a man from western KY. Nathan Stubblefield was powering his home and also had a telephone system the whole community used that was all powered by connections to the ground. He went around the country demonstrating his telephone system trying to get investors to back him so he could start selling them. Some bad business experiences turned him into a bitter man and he went home to continue his experiments until his death. It was told by those that found him dead that his small cabin was toasty warm in the middle of winter with no apparent source of heat other than a couple of strange parabolic mirrors that were aimed at each other from opposite sides of the room. It was also told that the whole hillside around his cabin would be lit up at night without any apparent source where the light was coming from. Look him up it this interests you. He was a very interesting fellow. There is a whole lot more about him that I don't recall right now and some of what I posted may be a little wrong because I am posting strictly from memory.

    I was somewhat skeptical about the claims of this device until I remembered Stubblefield. I also recall that Tesla had done some research into the idea of getting energy from the ground. I am not saying I believe what Clarence has is the real deal but I think it could be.

    Respectfully,
    Carroll

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  • level
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    Hello BroMikey. I think what I have said is a reasonable assessment of the situation. If I have said anything that is not accurate, Clarence is free to correct me. I am very open minded about the concept of free energy, and regularly conduct my own experiments, but like many other people I am busy so I am really only interested in putting time and energy into things which can at least stand up to some preliminary basic testing. The only way to tell if something really works or not is to do some honest testing and put it through its paces. If someone appears to be avoiding such basic things, then you have to wonder what their real motivation is. Think about it. Wishful thinking or excuses doesn't really help anyone. If a person does some honest testing and it works, then great. Let's hear the results. I am all ears. If it doesn't do well in those basic tests, then so be it. We also need to hear those results. A person who is interested in trying to get some real understanding will want to know the actual test results no matter what they indicate. Clarence is free to do and say whatever he wants, but I am also free to express my own opinion. If you see that as some sort of personal agenda, then you need to stop and think again.
    Last edited by level; 04-14-2015, 09:48 AM.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by level View Post

    If Clarence's setup could self run, then I would see no reason that Clarence would not be happy to just fire up his device and leave it running for 12 or 24 hours or even longer while making periodic battery voltage measurements.
    This seems a little personal, if i had one of these devices I would not leave it run while I was gone if my wife was home. That is me personally. I would not do that, I would make sure it worked well first and maybe run a small heater with it or AC unit, but not unattended. I have to work and I just would not want to come home to a toasty setup after all my hard work.

    That is a personal matter.

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  • BroMikey
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    Originally posted by level View Post

    When a couple of us here asked if Clarence could do a few very simple tests where the device is left to run for a reasonable amount of time, such as 24 hours or so while self looping, to really understand better how long his setup can maintain its battery voltage, Clarence has not responded.

    Good luck with your experiments everyone!
    I thought he said when it rained was the only time the power dropped off. The battery would drop in charge if he didn't lessen the loads as the rain seemed to diminished output. Also he said he shut it off if he left the house after it had run 4-5 hours?

    I never heard him say he never ran it 24 hrs.

    If it works for 5 hrs it will work forever. I think Clarence has answered everyone very well.

    Hey Level did you build this one? You seem to know so much about this it seemed like you must have built one of these devices before. And if so did it work right?

    Either way you are way ahead of me on these designs.

    Mikey
    Last edited by BroMikey; 04-14-2015, 05:24 AM.

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  • level
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    From what I can gather from what Clarence has been saying so far, it seems that Clarence's setup does not self run, and Clarence appears to have done very little longer term testing to try to understand better how his setup actually does perform. When a couple of us here asked if Clarence could do a few very simple tests where the device is left to run for a reasonable amount of time, such as 24 hours or so while self looping, to really understand better how long his setup can maintain its battery voltage, Clarence has not responded. Clarence also then suggested that if people want to understand how his setup performs they should build their own. Considering the cost of the setup and the fact that you have to put a whole lot of ground rods in, it is reasonable in my mind that people should be able to have a clear idea first how Clarence's own setup is actually performing.

    If Clarence's setup could self run, then I would see no reason that Clarence would not be happy to just fire up his device and leave it running for 12 or 24 hours or even longer while making periodic battery voltage measurements. Certainly that would take almost no effort on Clarence's part to do. I can only gather from this that Clarence's setup is not a self runner, and for whatever reason Clarence does not want to come out and admit this. Gather from this what you will. I don't understand it.

    In engineering there is a concept of diminishing returns. A person could keep adding more and more ground rods beyond a certain point of say, for argument's sake, 40 or 50 ground rods. As you increase the ground rods in increments of 5 or 10 up to say 40 ground rods you may see increases in performance, but any increases in ground rods beyond that may only make a small difference, or no difference. It is also possible that people at different locations on the globe could get better results with less ground rods, as location or soil type might be a factor as well, as has been suggested here already. Another possibility to consider is that performance could possibly improve, or fall off, over time at the same location. This was something that mr. Thomas Bearden has mentioned seeing, where performance began to improve over time for an over unity device he was investigating, so the location appeared to be slowly getting 'conditioned'.

    Good luck with your experiments everyone!
    Last edited by level; 04-14-2015, 01:26 AM.

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  • clarence
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    Thanks

    Originally posted by totoalas View Post
    I think this needs an incryption not a translation from the other side lol ...happy to note the healthy discussion.... thanks to Mr Mscoffman and MH

    totoalas
    Thanks totoalas,

    thanks much!

    Clarence

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  • totoalas
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello LEVEL,

    I had sent a PM and I was wondering if you had time to answer.

    thanks,

    Clarence
    I think this needs an incryption not a translation from the other side lol ...happy to note the healthy discussion.... thanks to Mr Mscoffman and MH

    totoalas

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  • clarence
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    PM message

    Hello LEVEL,

    I had sent a PM and I was wondering if you had time to answer.

    thanks,

    Clarence

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  • totoalas
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    thanks again clarence now im heading to Hong Kong to shop around what can be used in this project...... comments from my youtube videos are also helpful
    tools which Clarence has already done ....

    totoalas.....

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by totoalas View Post
    im talking of at least a 500 watts air conditioner 220 v ac ( one fourth horse power)

    one more thing , for the inverter with 2 output are they in parallel as in your first schematic ????
    totoalas,

    you would only be speaking of 2.27 amp + the baseline captor amps of 1.4 amps = 3.67 amps. that should be a breeze (no pun) to do.

    always - as long as your ground potential through earth return neutral
    supports the inverter phase it should work without problems!

    Yes the two inverter plugs have the same phase and neutral just separate circuits.

    thanks

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 04-13-2015, 11:06 PM.

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  • totoalas
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    sorry totoalas,

    I didvnot understand what you meant by a 1/4 hp ac ?

    Clarence
    im talking of at least a 500 watts air conditioner 220 v ac ( one fourth horse power)

    one more thing , for the inverter with 2 output are they in parallel as in your first schematic ????
    Last edited by totoalas; 04-13-2015, 10:46 PM.

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by totoalas View Post
    Thanks Clarence
    so can a 1/4 hp ac be used coz thats my goal and quest for this b&l circuit
    other household appliances can wait.... for the meantime i just add caps on my ac during operation ( still not using the rectifier type ac).....

    the soltution i remember for the captor cable is to insert the cable into a copper pipe for cooling on heavy loads......
    sorry totoalas,

    I did not understand what you meant by a 1/4 hp ac ?

    OH now I get it ! a 1/4 HORSE POWER air conditioning unit.
    yes as long as the amperage that will be added to the #4 black wire
    does not cause it to heat and then if it does simply change the #4 wire to a # 2 wire.
    #2 does not wind as easily as #4 but I know you can handle it.

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 04-13-2015, 10:45 PM.

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  • totoalas
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    Originally posted by clarence View Post
    Hello totoalas ,

    I just went and checked my unit and the toroid circuit showed 0.08 amps at
    6.4 watts. thats why I like them. right size and mighty.

    The # 4 AWG black wire showed 1.4 AC amps on the clamp meter.
    a good bit of load amperage can be carried by it before it can get warm.

    at idle its cool cool cool.

    Clarence
    Thanks Clarence
    so can a 1/4 hp ac be used coz thats my goal and quest for this b&l circuit
    other household appliances can wait.... for the meantime i just add caps on my ac during operation ( still not using the rectifier type ac).....

    the soltution i remember for the captor cable is to insert the cable into a copper pipe for cooling on heavy loads......

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  • clarence
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    Originally posted by totoalas View Post
    Clarence and Level,
    thanks for the swift replies and flow of info..... at least we know its working....
    we dont need an ou ... what we need is how to lessen our burden of electric bills to food in the table ..... thats what matter in my country where power rates is the no 1 highest in Asia for a 3rd world country with some oil and gas and hydro / geothermal plants.......

    Battery voltage drop can be topped off with solar/ sg and ssg / cap dump by Mickey's beasty sssg lots of possibilities rain or shine .....
    now back to the drawing board..... theres a lot of DIYers out there that can join in

    I remember in my test the 10 mm cable in the captor went to 90 deg C in an instant and also the Barbosa first video showed a 90 to 120 mm captor cable
    but in your case ur case how is the heat in the captor ?????

    for the earthing , ill go first to soil conditioning with salt .....
    Now reminiscent with my past experience with old telephone company... we received complaints from a subscriber asking us after the repair their dog bark when the telephone ring??? when we investigated the lineman just wrapped the earth ground to a pipe where the dog is tied,,,,,,, the other complaint if they dont water their plant the telephone doesnt work ... the reason being the earth ground was placed in the pot since they were lazy enough to dig in the concrete lol
    Hello totoalas ,

    I just went and checked my unit and the toroid circuit showed 0.08 amps at
    6.4 watts. thats why I like them. right size and mighty.

    The # 4 AWG black wire showed 1.4 AC amps on the clamp meter.
    a good bit of load amperage can be carried by it before it can get warm.

    at idle its cool cool cool.
    BTW: if your captor loop has more than say 2 amps at Idle you have some some captor windings problems.
    if you can shoot a photo I can take a look at it and tell.

    Clarence
    Last edited by clarence; 04-13-2015, 10:28 PM. Reason: extra info

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  • totoalas
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    Clarence and Level,
    thanks for the swift replies and flow of info..... at least we know its working....
    we dont need an ou ... what we need is how to lessen our burden of electric bills to food in the table ..... thats what matter in my country where power rates is the no 1 highest in Asia for a 3rd world country with some oil and gas and hydro / geothermal plants.......

    Battery voltage drop can be topped off with solar/ sg and ssg / cap dump by Mickey's beasty sssg lots of possibilities rain or shine .....
    now back to the drawing board..... theres a lot of DIYers out there that can join in

    I remember in my test the 10 mm cable in the captor went to 90 deg C in an instant and also the Barbosa first video showed a 90 to 120 mm captor cable
    but in your case ur case how is the heat in the captor ?????

    for the earthing , ill go first to soil conditioning with salt .....
    Now reminiscent with my past experience with old telephone company... we received complaints from a subscriber asking us after the repair their dog bark when the telephone ring??? when we investigated the lineman just wrapped the earth ground to a pipe where the dog is tied,,,,,,, the other complaint if they dont water their plant the telephone doesnt work ... the reason being the earth ground was placed in the pot since they were lazy enough to dig in the concrete lol
    Last edited by totoalas; 04-13-2015, 09:52 PM.

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