Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[clarence]

Spining _ spining

Top, Bottom laying flat, top, bottom standing up?

This one is not the same as Clarence circuit. This one has
special primaries. very interesting.

Well the windings show both primaries CW but the words say
Both CW and CCW. I am a seeing a conflict in this dia.

Remember stand your toroids upright on edge first, then starting
at the top portion on the winding follow it downward.

In this picture the windings of the primaries SAY CW AND CCW
but the pictures has them both going CW, same direction.

I see now that this is not Clarence diagram. This is the B&L boys and they deliberately put conflicting info into this document.


Am I the only one who sees this?

So we will need to here from others.

HELLO,

there are NO conflicts in the diagram. and this is NOT a diagram made by B&L. It is a rendering made by member 00! read it!!!!
the PRIMARIES ARE BOTH CLOCKWISE!! stay AWAY from saying ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT FACT! when the two IDENTICAL TOROIDS are set next to one another and ONE OF THEM IS SPUN IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER YOU GET WHAT IS NEEDED!!!! NOTHING HAS BEEN PHYSICALLY CHANGED WITH RESPECT TO THE TOROIDS AT ALL!!!

It is extremely difficult to make a DRAWING accomplish what a PHOTO can do in a heartbeat.

a drawing correctly done would show the # 4 wires in a crisscross pattern which would cause some to think it involved a figure 8 event WHICH IT DOES NOT!!! and then some would get their tit thrown over their left shoulder
and we would be off to another flip flap discussion!

THAT IS WHY I LIKE PHOTOS!!!!

[clarence]

Finally

Next I did what I was told to do. Clarence said to do this several
times and i failed to give proper attention to his foto.

I have enlarged and grey scaled his foto into what looks more
like a drawing now, so we can get our focus off of the pretty colors
and more onto the actual path the the secondary windings take.

I have used a yellow drawing pencil to chart the direction of
each winding. THEY ARE BOTH CCW WOUND.

I never noticed this before now and I repeat the secondaries
are both wound exactly the same as Clarence has stated before.

Sorry Clarence I don't know what's wrong with
me sometimes. I would start up my violin of troubles and excuses
but I hate to bust out balling nation wide

Okay back to the drawing board. My diagram is out of wack and I
will fix it now. I do not know if the primaries are CCW or CW but
it does not appear to be significant.

What is important is that Clarence got me to look close and the 2 CCW secondaries must be crisscross connected, so I will correct the Diagrams.

Hello BRO,

LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN LOUD AND CLEAR..................

1. the primaries are wound CLOCKWISE by the FACTORY!!!!!!!!!!

2. the primaries ALWAYS have to be wound CLOCKWISE!!!!!!!!!!

3. IT IS MAJOR SIGNIFICANT that the primaries be wound CLOCKWISE!!!!!

4. you will ALWAYS have to wind the # 4 black wire secondary COUNTERCLOCKWISE!!!!!!!!

5. this PROPER winding IS WHAT KILLS THE LENZ EFFECT and is the ONLY
THING THAT MAKES THIS WHOLE SYSTEM WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
without having accomplished this PERFECTLY AS I HAVE STATED MANY
TIMES you will just be PERMANENTLY SCREWED! GET IT!!!!!!!!!!!


and yes LOOKING CAREFULLY is a very GIANT HELP!

thanks for listening,

Clarence

[BroMikey]

Top, Bottom laying flat, top, bottom standing up?

This one is not the same as Clarence circuit. This one has
special primaries. very interesting.

Well the windings show both primaries CW but the words say
Both CW and CCW. I am a seeing a conflict in this dia.

Remember stand your toroids upright on edge first, then starting
at the top portion on the winding follow it downward.

In this picture the windings of the primaries SAY CW AND CCW
but the pictures has them both going CW, same direction.

I see now that this is not Clarence diagram. This is the B&L boys and they deliberately put conflicting info into this document.


Am I the only one who sees this?

So we will need to here from others.

[cheors]

Forget the CW / CCW notion.

Primaries are built with the same winding tool (Tortran manufacturer)

Primaries ares connected : Black toroid wire to black toroid wire to Line (inverter)
White wire to white wire to Neutral
So primaries are in phase

Secondaries are identically wound ( by us)
and connected in phase (top to top, bottom to bottom)
ALL THE TIME, the 2 transformers try to produce the same secondary currents
which cancel each other out.
We get a loop without huge current and then no big primary power demand.

Clarence, correct me if this is wrong.

[BroMikey]

Next I did what I was told to do. Clarence said to do this several
times and i failed to give proper attention to his foto.

I have enlarged and grey scaled his foto into what looks more
like a drawing now, so we can get our focus off of the pretty colors
and more onto the actual path the the secondary windings take.

I have used a yellow drawing pencil to chart the direction of
each winding. THEY ARE BOTH CCW WOUND.

I never noticed this before now and I repeat the secondaries
are both wound exactly the same as Clarence has stated before.

Sorry Clarence I don't know what's wrong with
me sometimes. I would start up my violin of troubles and excuses
but I hate to bust out balling nation wide

Okay back to the drawing board. My diagram is out of wack and I
will fix it now. I do not know if the primaries are CCW or CW but
it does not appear to be significant.

What is important is that Clarence got me to look close and the 2 CCW secondaries must be crisscross connected, so I will correct the Diagrams.

[BroMikey]

In this discussion we will take a look at the winding directions of
a toroidal transformer. In the diagram CCW means
(COUNTER CLOCKWISE) and CW = (CLOCKWISE).

At no time can a CW wound winding ever become a CCW winding
without removing the wire and rewinding in the opposite direction.

In these 4 stations we are looking at the Primary winding. During our
review we may discovery that Tortran is sending Clarence identically
wound Toroid's and primaries in one direction only.

If this is true then we may conclude that for the primaries connected to the inverter in parallel opposing windings are not good for the project. Up until now all we have to go on concerning the primaries is that TORTRAN winds them.

In the event we find that both Tortran winds are either CCW or they are both CW, we can conclude a number of things. In other words if we
find that the Tortran special order transformers are NOT a right and left set
then we can go forward for the purpose of dissecting this project.

If so this would make my new diagram incorrect.

[dielectric]

Clarence thank you very much for all of the efforts you are going through to try an help people figure this stuff out. I had a couple of questions I was hoping you could answer for me.

1. On your inverter kill-a-watt meter, when under a load of say your refrigerator or shop-vac what is the wattage or amperage reading? I would imagine it would be close to zero because of the reflected power correct?

2. Your battery charger, is there a need to have such an expensive one vs something like a simple 20amp car battery charger?

[BroMikey]

Clarence I need to ask you if Tortran sends you both toroids with
there primary windings CW or CCW? If they are both the same?

Or does one toroid say PART 1 and the other say PART 2 ???

If they are both wound the same then are they wound CW or CCW?

I see you have wound on the 4awg secondaries very clearly but my
question is are the primaries identical.

I have been involved with groups who wind toroids CCW in the northern hemisphere and the folks in the southern Hemisphere wind them CW, so
I know the difference.

But like you say, in relationship to what? Well, in relationship to the secondary I guess is what we are talking about.

I am making some drawings and will show them off soon.

Thanks for your continued patience.

Michael Rowland (Central Kansas)

[BroMikey]

okay let me say first of all that I still am working on the drawing VS
the pictures myself. Thank you for being patient. Let me think about
my drawing some more and I will be back to show you what I think
I am doing wrong.

The biggest problem I am having is with the statement that both
toroidal are wound the same.

If both toroids are wound the same then I am lost.

Mikey PS I apologize for the delay and will do my best to study the diagrams. Wait I think I see it now

[clarence]

Pay attention! Please!

Hi BroMikey - and greetings to everyone else here. I have been following this thread and I have finally come to a point where my mind won't wrap around something. 2 Things to be exact.

1. I have noticed that the 4 AWG wire in this drawing is not the same as the wire in Clarence's photo. I see that it was noticed but I don't see where the correct drawing is posted. Is there a corrected drawing? In Clarence's photo the wire that leaves the bottom of the winding on the left toroid connects to the wire at the top of the winding on the right and the wire that comes from the bottom of the winding on the right connects to the wire at the top of the winding on the left.

2. I don't understand how the primary(L/N) winding can be clockwise on the left toroid and counter clockwise on the right toroid (I am referring to the drawing here). No matter which way you turn a toroid with a CW winding, it always remains a clockwise winding . Which means the only way this is possible is if you order the toroids wound one CW and one CCW... Is this what we are supposed to do? I cannot find any reference in the discussion on ordering differently wound toroids. So please tell me am I smoking crack or is this drawing misleading?

Hello Fjohnnyb,

1. the toroid primaries are NOT WOUND DIFFERENTLY!!! PERIOD!
they are EXACTLY THE SAME!

2. IT IS THE WAY YOU ORIENT THE TOROIDS TO EACH OTHER THAT ACHIEVES THE CW AND CCW EFFECT THAT IS NECESSARY!!!!!!!!!

3. when you wind the #4 wire secondary as I have showed you (PHOTO ATTACHED AGAIN) you ESTABLISH THE CW AND CCW on EACH of the toroids!!!!!!

4, after you have wound each secondary PROPERLY then take BOTH THE
toroids and place them side by side IN FRONT OF YOU!!!!
then take the left toroid assembly and spin it around in FRONT of the
other one!!!! what you have accomplished by this is to ORIENTATE the
toroids in the PROPER MANNER OF CW/CCW - CW/CCW.

5. now connect top #4 to top#4
now connect bottom #4 to Bottom #4

their is NO CROSSING FROM BOTTOM TO TOP OR TOP TO BOTTOM AT ALL!!!!!!

I fail to understand what is so difficult for you to understand this SIMPLE process.

JUST LOOK AND STUDY THE PHOTOS!

best to all,

Clarence

[BroMikey]

Hi BroMikey - and greetings to everyone else here. I have been following this thread and I have finally come to a point where my mind won't wrap around something. 2 Things to be exact.

1. I have noticed that the 4 AWG wire in this drawing is not the same as the wire in Clarence's photo. I see that it was noticed but I don't see where the correct drawing is posted. Is there a corrected drawing? In Clarence's photo the wire that leaves the bottom of the winding on the left toroid connects to the wire at the top of the winding on the right and the wire that comes from the bottom of the winding on the right connects to the wire at the top of the winding on the left.

2. I don't understand how the primary(L/N) winding can be clockwise on the left toroid and counter clockwise on the right toroid (I am referring to the drawing here). No matter which way you turn a toroid with a CW winding, it always remains a clockwise winding . Which means the only way this is possible is if you order the toroids wound one CW and one CCW... Is this what we are supposed to do? I cannot find any reference in the discussion on ordering differently wound toroids. So please tell me am I smoking crack or is this drawing misleading?

Dude keep looking at it. This is the updated drawing. follow the wires with your finger around as you wind from the top down. The top down.

Start at the TOP. Did you see it? CW and CCW? You will.The primaries are opposite wound.

[BroMikey]

so whats the core type ?
Hope Clarence can enlighten us before we cook our toroids lol

Exactly what you said it was Grain oriented silicone...........Etc....

It is the industry standard FOR 60hz/50hz

Ferrite's generally (Not always) are for audio frequencies and up. That is pulse tech/switchmode.

You need the cheap stuff but they are heavy.

I will say this again.

When you find a 60hz core forsale GET the "VOLTS/TURN" number.

I refer you to the previously displayed charts. ALPHA CORE DIRECT.

This company sells cores as well, without the wire on it. Their division to sell
you a core is NOT Tortran. Their core company NAME is ALPHA CORE DIRECT

So go to their core selection guide @ ALPHA CORE DIRECT

In the selection guide for a 5.2' dia (O.D.) O.D.=outer diameter

Now look for the VOLTS/TURN.

When you find it "the price is" I think $30? Maybe $35 + Shipping

Once you get the idea what you need then you can look around
and you will know what you are looking for.

Stick with me.

Mikey

[totoalas]

Right-ONow yer cookin

so whats the core type ?
Hope Clarence can enlighten us before we cook our toroids lol

[Fjohnnyb]

Is the drawing still incorrect?

Yes I am wondering if this last drawing is perfect. Thanks for flagging me on this entry and will can change it if needed. This is the purpose of repeating the drawings so we are all very sure.

According to Clarence last post the 4awg winding are wound one clockwise and the other counter clockwise from top to bottom and the wires on the bottom connect straight across and the wires on the upper portion connect straight across to each other. No crisscrossing of wires please.

This is the way i see his post and If I am wrong Clarence will correct me.

Here is the latest full Clarence schematic.

Hi BroMikey - and greetings to everyone else here. I have been following this thread and I have finally come to a point where my mind won't wrap around something. 2 Things to be exact.

1. I have noticed that the 4 AWG wire in this drawing is not the same as the wire in Clarence's photo. I see that it was noticed but I don't see where the correct drawing is posted. Is there a corrected drawing? In Clarence's photo the wire that leaves the bottom of the winding on the left toroid connects to the wire at the top of the winding on the right and the wire that comes from the bottom of the winding on the right connects to the wire at the top of the winding on the left.

2. I don't understand how the primary(L/N) winding can be clockwise on the left toroid and counter clockwise on the right toroid (I am referring to the drawing here). No matter which way you turn a toroid with a CW winding, it always remains a clockwise winding . Which means the only way this is possible is if you order the toroids wound one CW and one CCW... Is this what we are supposed to do? I cannot find any reference in the discussion on ordering differently wound toroids. So please tell me am I smoking crack or is this drawing misleading?

[clarence]

Nice!

Thanks Clarence,
I looked up my area and the value is 188-251nT. From the map scale this was the highest.

I get .86-1 volt dc from my fluke meter. Straight measurements from the dirt.

wantomake

Hello wantomake,

that really sounds NICE for you!

woluld LOVE to have that area!!!!!!

Best to you Sir,

Clarence