Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[Wistiti]

Thank you Dragon!
It is apreciated.

[dragon]

Repost of diagrams

I've had a multitude of requests to repost the circuit diagrams I deleted. I've decided to repost only these simple circuits for those interested in experimenting with ground energy. They can be constructed of simple components - hand wound coils on a ferrite core or simply grab a transformer with a center tapped low voltage output and a transistor. The ferrite should be 2000u or higher although most will work with varying degrees of success. I use Stormwise cores for ELF or ULF frequencies.

I have no intention of deterring Clarances discussion on the B&L build although I believe he's overlooked some key features from the patents. Clarence is a smart man and I know he will see it... descriptive words, quite often, don't paint the picture in one's mind the same as the individual explaining it - we have to get there on our own.

Below are the circuit diagrams...far left is the basic hartley circuit - you should start there. Once you achieve success in lighting an LED then you can move on to a more advanced circuit. The second one is a pump and it recycles the energy from each side. The third is a more descriptive diagram of the basic circuit for use in charging batteries or large capacitors. Far right shows that it can be used with an antenna similar to the original Tesla patent - the coils become the capacitor forming a charge displacement between earth and atmosphere.

You can run more than one circuit on the earth grounds - quite often there is a substantial current flowing between the rods but at ultra low voltages. When the transistor base sees a spike or difference between the base and emitter it will fire and the current will flow through the coils then imediately turn off causing a back rush which will continue firing the base. Similar to a ram pump. The second diagram shows how this can be kept going by using the output of one to fire the other and store the inrush in a cap between grounds. I've used a number of different transistors with good success and the only thing you need to look for is a low base threshold ( .25 to .3 volt ) and high amperage rating. I use the MJE18008 because of these features as well as their ability to handle up to 1000 volt spikes. These are quick, simple and cheap ( do with what you have ) - the only difficult part is getting the grounds right which sometimes takes a little time... don't expect to achieve success with a couple nails in the ground...

[Fjohnnyb]

Some of the people seem to suggest that you have been getting your power
from the power company and not the ground. I wonder if they ever hear themselves.

Are you all going to call Clarence names? Say he didn't get the power from his system while the entire area had the mains pulled?

When are these disgusting nay sayers ever gonna believe?

You people who think Clarence gets his power by stealing it, go back and read where Clarence is the only man with power in his house while the hood
is turned off.

Where is your big mouths now? Where is the affirmative response?

Where are all of your heads at?

BroMikey

NO ONE here as far as I have seen is accusing Clarence of stealing electricity from anywhere. We are however wondering if it isn't coming from his own battery though. Especially after he explained how small that fridge really is that he runs off it. Suddenly the equations do make that possible. We are not mean or ignorant, we are curious.

NO ONE here is trying to tell Clarence that we don't believe him either. We are simply trying to discover for our selves how viable a device this is to spend the money on. I have built many devices and so have many others here. This place is full of scams and most of us are just trying to avoid being a sucker... again. Clarence expects us all just to take his word for it. The world does not work like that. We don't know him or his uncle or anyone related to him so just blindly trusting him without question would make us sheep. Bahhh!

I, for one, would love to ask him to please: 1. Disconnect the ground windings from the captor and run his device and tell us what happens. Or 2. To leave the windings on and connect the neutral and ground leads together and run his device and tell us what happened. And then 3. To just run his loads straight from the inverter and see what happens. Things we all would be doing if we were in possession of his device. Very simple tests that shows the difference between using the earth and not using it.

But no one here dares to ask him that because we know he (and you) will simply jump on us and say we are ignorant and uninterested. For some reason Clarence does not like doing tests.

I want to build this device, I would't be here if I wasn't interested. I'm sure all if us would love to. And if I get it working, well or not, I would be willing to test the hell out of it until this forum has had enough test results to decide for themselves whether to spend their hard earned dollars or not.

Since where I live we have intermittent power interruptions throughout the day I already have an good inverter, some serious deep cycle batteries and a serious battery charger on the way. In fact when I saw this thread I though it was pretty neat because I already have most of the big parts on the way regardless. Expanding to ground rods and some pre-wound torroids would not be too hard. So I'm not full of sh...drama and I don't think any of the other are either. I think you are and should take it easy.

Since Clarence won't do any tests I guess we have gotten everything from him that we need. No need to bother him with any more questions. I will do my own tests.

Peace

[Forthebest]

Hitby is doing that in the Gerard Morin thread.

Thank you BroMikey for your answer . Very interesting stuff however I thought the experiment was still with 60 Hz but higher voltage for a Clarence setup...so will keep with Clarence replication as to respect this thread for now . Thanks again .

Best regards

[med.3012]

hi Clarence , hi to all ,

Thank you very much for sharing your achievement, your success will lead to more improvement in this field

respectful

[level]

as for all the DRAMA QUEENS I will just leave them alone and let them keep warbling and waddling in their own continuum of puke and they will eventually annihilate themselves with their own virus.

Hello Clarence. For the most part people have been very respectful in this thread, and any questions raised seem to be legitimate questions along the lines of trying to get a better understanding of your setup. That you somehow perceive people raising questions as something negative tells me that something just is not right here.

From your own brief descriptions of how your setup actually performs, which people here had to practically pry out of you with a crow bar, if you connect any load to your setup the battery starts running down, and it still seems very much in question whether the battery is really even charging when you remove the load, as the battery voltage apparently then only rises very slowly, which a 12V battery would likely do to some extent anyway even without the charger connected, once the load is disconnected. If the captor were pulling energy into the system, your battery should begin to charge up quickly once any load is disconnected.

That you would represent this as a 'working' device again indicates to me that something is just not right here. Frankly I have not seen anything much from what little info you have provided about how your setup is really performing to suggest over unity here. You seem much more interested in having people dote on you, and you become very annoyed if people don't just blindly accept everything you are saying without question. Another bad sign.

As much as I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, at this point it really doesn't look like there is really much likelihood of your setup showing anything out of the ordinary. You already have 60 ground rods in place and your battery still starts running down when you connect a load to it. Adding 20 more ground rods may help to some extent, but it might not either. From your own description of the current state of your setup, it just does not appear that your setup can at all reasonably be described as 'working'. Sorry Clarence, but this really is what it seems to boil down to at this point.

[BroMikey]

As a side note BroMikey previously mentioned he was to make a try at higher voltage so I would be curious as to know how would the circuit be designed . I can't keep off my mind that Tesla ( and Don Smith and Vladimir Utkin ) and many others kept saying that frequency and voltage upgrades are the way to go to gain much much power so if say we keep same frequency but upgrade the voltage , for example , many rods and/or space could maybe saved and that would benefit much much more people including me .

Best regards

Hitby is doing that in the Gerard Morin thread.


Looking in the ground for reflected impulse energy

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...energy-17.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmuJ15K69Zw

[BroMikey]

You are right, that message was very good and i was looking for it again. Some of the back ground people have a circle of friends who are university kronies, PM certain people they can to stop their progress.

It is a shame people hate to go outside the box. dragon is already outside. But then again the fear of leading the way can get the best of inventors.

I hope Dragon reposts his info, but I completely understand as the information was over most of the peoples heads because some of them are not here to learn.

It takes time for this information to get around say a few months. Remember this, 10's of thousands peer into the window.

I hope Dragon reconsiders, because I liked his information, I just can't remember much about what he was talking about.Something about a hartly with no resistor to run LED's? To be used as a tool for finding rod spacing? Not sure where he was going.
But it was kool stuff.

Dragon I don't know why you deleted your post, it was quite a nice articulate posting explaining your thinking on Clarence's replication and what you are up to with your own experiments...

I managed to save a MHT copy of the webpage last night before you deleted your post. After the Zilano incident a few years back on the Don Smith thread here, I make a copy of every forum thread that I take interest in... I just happened to miss getting large copies of the pics you posted.

Would it be possible for you to PM me those pictures you had attached? I just have tiny little pics and they don't expand to well.

[Forthebest]

...Ok.
So it is where I am.
I do have a working background in electricity. But as many other I'm interest in "Free energy" concept.
First of all I'm a builder. I learn with thing I build. Everything I achieve until now came from the community idea. So what I achieve also go to the community. I think that's the way it may go.
with that said I'm confident that the majority of the people are honest and need to be treat with respect. I'm also aware that it is easy to think we find the grail...

I will reply what Clarence does cause I think he is honest. And anyway it is the best way I learn. But I also think you have something to share and I don't know why you wont...
Don't try to pm me on this forum cause it is not seem to work... ...an I am surely no going to paid every month for it!
If you have something to share; just share it with everyone... there is surely someone how will learn about it...

thanks' to all the open buddy!


ps: @Bromikey. please bro, take it easy!!!

Very well said Wistiti ; I also believe Clarence is an honest guy and will try
to replicate once appropriate weather and equipment are there . There is also great personal benefits in making our own experimenting , I believe we can all start at a small and relatively cheap cost and upgrade if proved successfull .
I think the big obstacle for many is the labor involved and/or space but no free lunch and Clarence put the work where his mouth and heart are .

As a side note BroMikey previously mentioned he was to make a try at higher voltage so I would be curious as to know how would the circuit be designed . I can't keep off my mind that Tesla ( and Don Smith and Vladimir Utkin ) and many others kept saying that frequency and voltage upgrades are the way to go to gain much much power so if say we keep same frequency but upgrade the voltage , for example , many rods and/or space could maybe saved and that would benefit much much more people including me .

Best regards

[clarence]

Hang tight bro.

Some of the people seem to suggest that you have been getting your power
from the power company and not the ground. I wonder if they ever hear themselves.

Are you all going to call Clarence names? Say he didn't get the power from his system while the entire area had the mains pulled?

When are these disgusting nay sayers ever gonna believe?

You people who think Clarence gets his power by stealing it, go back and read where Clarence is the only man with power in his house while the hood
is turned off.

Where is your big mouths now? Where is the affirmative response?

Where are all of your heads at?

You won't count the joules, you don't know how, you refuse the gift.

Buy a pure sine wave inverterSome rodsa charger some toroidsand quit belly aching.

This answers many of us who wondered if the power was coming from the ground as the Patents state it does.

Great work keeping this thread going Clarence, I am right there with you all of the time.

@all, I know the spirit of a complainer and you won't get anywhere here.

Hello Bro.,

I am going to keep answering those that indicate they have a SINCERE need for information which comes from a sincere heart. they can use the information to their advantage or not as they please. its their free choice as always.

as for all the DRAMA QUEENS I will just leave them alone and let them keep warbling and waddling in their own continuum of puke and they will eventually annihilate themselves with their own virus.

the value members will always have my respect in whatever they choose to do.
I will leave it at that and go forward.

Respect and cheers,

Clarence

[BroMikey]

Is there something to this or not?
Do I need a hundred rods?
If so wouldn't I be better off just buying some solar panels?
Can you collect power from the ground or not?
Best I could ever get was a couple volts.
Seems like a maze of never-ending bull....
artv

If you believe it is bull then that is what it is to you.

[Wistiti]

What questions did you have about the ground circuits?

...Ok.
So it is where I am.
I do have a working background in electricity. But as many other I'm interest in "Free energy" concept.
First of all I'm a builder. I learn with thing I build. Everything I achieve until now came from the community idea. So what I achieve also go to the community. I think that's the way it may go.
with that said I'm confident that the majority of the people are honest and need to be treat with respect. I'm also aware that it is easy to think we find the grail...

I will reply what Clarence does cause I think he is honest. And anyway it is the best way I learn. But I also think you have something to share and I don't know why you wont...
Don't try to pm me on this forum cause it is not seem to work... ...an I am surely no going to paid every month for it!
If you have something to share; just share it with everyone... there is surely someone how will learn about it...

thanks' to all the open buddy!


ps: @Bromikey. please bro, take it easy!!!

[BroMikey]

another Item of interest is the fact that this last Sunday evening and night
a violent wind storm of 60 mile/hr came thru my area tore the hell out of things .......................................
.........................
the point being it caused a long session of BROWN OUTS to a total of 6 events! Guess who was sitting in LIGHT for those hours AND cooking as needed! YYYEEEPPP!!!! old Clarence.


In addition to the night time outage for several hours the next AM the power went out so that joint community utility effort could repair the downed wires and poles. Clarence had his breakfast cooked with no Problemo tho!
such as this is why I LOVE MY UNIT!


Hope this answers your questions for you Sir. if not blast me back.

@all thanks for listening,

Clarence

Some of the people seem to suggest that you have been getting your power
from the power company and not the ground. I wonder if they ever hear themselves.

Are you all going to call Clarence names? Say he didn't get the power from his system while the entire area had the mains pulled?

When are these disgusting nay sayers ever gonna believe?

You people who think Clarence gets his power by stealing it, go back and read where Clarence is the only man with power in his house while the hood
is turned off.

Where is your big mouths now? Where is the affirmative response?

Where are all of your heads at?

You won't count the joules, you don't know how, you refuse the gift.

Buy a pure sine wave inverterSome rodsa charger some toroidsand quit belly aching.

This answers many of us who wondered if the power was coming from the ground as the Patents state it does.

Great work keeping this thread going Clarence, I am right there with you all of the time.

@all, I know the spirit of a complainer and you won't get anywhere here.

[dielectric]

Is there something to this or not?
Do I need a hundred rods?
If so wouldn't I be better off just buying some solar panels?
Can you collect power from the ground or not?
Best I could ever get was a couple volts.
Seems like a maze of never-ending bull....
artv

It's tough to say. Looking at the circuit diagram it looks like the toroids and transformers are almost irrelevant to the actual circuitry. The only VARIABLE to the circuit seems to be the ground rods themselves.

Potentially the "Captor loop" could be returning some of the power to the circuit like the "Serp's device" but without there being any capacitors involved in the circuit diagram, nor with there being no tuned lengths of wire I don't see any real purpose to the "Captor" section of the circuit.

Attached is a schematic of how I'm visualizing the circuit. Without any real measurements of the circuit and without me getting me hands on it it's tough to say if there is any sort of over unity happening. From Clarence's description it sounds like he maybe getting some extension of run time, but this could also be what he wants to see not what it's actually doing.

To answer your question... It's looking more no than yes, but you won't know until you build it yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I want free energy as much as the next guy and I'll be the first to admit that I'm wrong if I'm proven such... But I'm just not seeing here.

[dielectric]

Dragon I don't know why you deleted your post, it was quite a nice articulate posting explaining your thinking on Clarence's replication and what you are up to with your own experiments...

I managed to save a MHT copy of the webpage last night before you deleted your post. After the Zilano incident a few years back on the Don Smith thread here, I make a copy of every forum thread that I take interest in... I just happened to miss getting large copies of the pics you posted.

Would it be possible for you to PM me those pictures you had attached? I just have tiny little pics and they don't expand to well.