Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[BroMikey]

That is very very interesting BroMikey. I have been playing with my new inverter and batteries and noticed that it wasn't doing nearly what I expected. I enjoyed you information on batteries.

The key to communicating with other people in these discussions is not to call them non believers or university stiff upper lips but to provide them with the information that makes your opinion differ from theirs. That way we all still like each other and end up learning from each other

remember I do what I think is correct. And you are absolutely right I do tend to pick a bone now and then but I don't do it out of hate for you.

When I find a stuffed shirt I stuff him and stick a calculator in his hand.

If you can come back and say what you said, then my tutorial was worth it all. If people can't run these basic inverter battery tests then they may have alot of book smarts, but that doesn't mean a thing.

I am glad you are with me. Let's keep it tight and do the math.

I get real uptight when folks ignorantly hurl slanderous remarks of deception toward Clarence, when they can't even run the joule count. I know that was not you. But then I wasn't sure so I used you to sound off a bit. Thanks for letting me use you to get my point over.

You are pretty tough. I hope we can be friends for sure.

[Fjohnnyb]

Okay let us continue in the vane of rational thought.

That vane being that it works rather than it doesn't work.

Working from this premise we need to study our battery in Clarence
setup. The battery is a 60amp Hour marine type battery if I am not
mistaken.

Many of you have never had a battery connected to an inverter trying
to run lights or fans off of it, so it is important that you do that, if you
are ever going to become proficient at closing the loop on many free energy systems.

I hear those on this thread making statements that do not add up to the
practical aspects. For instance listen to John Bedini, one of my teachers
talk about battery size and rates of discharge and recharging values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgjn-Eubyoo

John B. is one of many intellectual minds who is very advanced concerning
battery technology. The first thing needed to advance battery tech is to understand normal battery systems available for the past 100 years.

Clarence battery is no different, nothing magic in his battery.

Just a normal C20 rate 60ah battery. I have the same ones like Clarence that are 100ah batteries. These batteries are nothing special in fact my 100ah battery only gives me 35ah before it reaches 10.5vdc every single time.

And what might be of importance to those of you who really want to understand is that the only way I can get those 35 ah out of this one hundred amp hour battery is to divide those 35ah by C20 or a 20 hour discharge period.

If you can not understand this portion of the study and you are all out of breath then you need to go to an easier replication. Oh Bromikey is insulting us again. Nope just making sense out of who is running the calculations.

If you can not give me a definitive answer about normal battery inverter
operation then you do not belong here judging this project.

Okay 35ah divided by 20 = 1.75 amps. That is correct 1.75amps and no more if I want to get the full ah rating of 35ah. Clarence battery will be about 25ah divided by 20hrs = 1.25 amps. 1.25amps discharging and no more to get the full 25ah out of that battery.

I have 100 batteries I should know. Some of my batteries are converted to ALUM also and this is a huge improvement often doubling or nearly doubling capacity though it takes double the joule count to charge it back up again.


Now here is what happens when you exceed the 1.25amp draw. As the battery is called upon to provide more amps than the factory rating allows
internal heating occurs in the form of chemical friction. This will lower Amp Hour capacity up to as much as 40 percent less.

If we pull 6 amps from Clarence 1.25amp battery rating the battery also will
degrade faster, meaning he will have to keep replacing his battery all of the time due to the abusive demands.

Almost everyone here making comments about how all of the energy comes from Clarence battery is showing us as a group that they have no practical common sense concerning battery, inverter operation.

My recommendation is to get a camping inverter pure sine wave and buy different types of batteries to run so you can make an educated guess in the future. Until people can make these steps no others are possible.

That is why I have been listening to John Bedini, because John is very much aware of what is needed to close the loop on many energy extraction devices.

Here is a video also of the approx same size battery as Clarence has running a 500 watt light. I have done this many times using those junk batteries or NON TRUE DEEP CYCLE batteries. By the time the video is ended he is ready to recharge his battery becauce he is demanding 40amps off his tiny battery, it looks like a 100ah truck battery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5suWI_KqY

Until people make common load tests they have no idea what they are talking about.

Here is a Microwave Oven running off of Clarence size system calling on the battery at 100amps. He fried the battery in 5 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZhrqvYBqCE

That is very very interesting BroMikey. I have been playing with my new inverter and batteries and noticed that it wasn't doing nearly what I expected. I enjoyed you information on batteries.

The key to communicating with other people in these discussions is not to call them non believers or university stiff upper lips but to provide them with the information that makes your opinion differ from theirs. That way we all still like each other and end up learning from each other

[BroMikey]

Here is a more proportionate inverter battery setup.

This uses a single marine battery around the size Clarence uses. Compared
to the 3000 watt sinewave inverter it appears to be quite small.

This max rated 800watt inverter is most efficient at 150 watts and begins to
cost more energy the closer it gets to about 500 watts continuous.

800 watt is peak for 5 minute only.

This is about right for the battery because 5 amps at 12 volts = 60watts and is best suited for this battery. At 5 amps the amp hour rating does still suffer a
reduction from max amp hour ratings from the C20 rate.

So the 5amps flowing from the battery might go 4 hours max before the inverter alarm goes off. I doubt it. If it was brand new maybe and every month after that using standard chargers would be less.

So the next time someone tells me Clarence little battery is powering his
house tells me they have never done any of the work.

This is typical of people who think they know everything without any
experience.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkU6PytRLhE

[BroMikey]

BroMikey. It's a huge mistake to try and argue with the gasbags offering to show the battery as the energy source in Clarence's replication. They wouldn't know energy dynamics if it bit them in the nose.

Thats a fact.

Here is a tutorial for our underclassmen, maybe we can bring them up to speed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wimTJw_Gpgk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI9kAWQ_s4w

[Minsky]

BroMikey. It's a huge mistake to try and argue with the gasbags offering to show the battery as the energy source in Clarence's replication. They wouldn't know energy dynamics if it bit them in the nose.

[BroMikey]

Battery 101

Okay let us continue in the vane of rational thought.

That vane being that it works rather than it doesn't work.

Working from this premise we need to study our battery in Clarence
setup. The battery is a 60amp Hour marine type battery if I am not
mistaken.

Many of you have never had a battery connected to an inverter trying
to run lights or fans off of it, so it is important that you do that, if you
are ever going to become proficient at closing the loop on many free energy systems.

I hear those on this thread making statements that do not add up to the
practical aspects. For instance listen to John Bedini, one of my teachers
talk about battery size and rates of discharge and recharging values.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgjn-Eubyoo

John B. is one of many intellectual minds who is very advanced concerning
battery technology. The first thing needed to advance battery tech is to understand normal battery systems available for the past 100 years.

Clarence battery is no different, nothing magic in his battery.

Just a normal C20 rate 60ah battery. I have the same ones like Clarence that are 100ah batteries. These batteries are nothing special in fact my 100ah battery only gives me 35ah before it reaches 10.5vdc every single time.

And what might be of importance to those of you who really want to understand is that the only way I can get those 35 ah out of this one hundred amp hour battery is to divide those 35ah by C20 or a 20 hour discharge period.

If you can not understand this portion of the study and you are all out of breath then you need to go to an easier replication. Oh Bromikey is insulting us again. Nope just making sense out of who is running the calculations.

If you can not give me a definitive answer about normal battery inverter
operation then you do not belong here judging this project.

Okay 35ah divided by 20 = 1.75 amps. That is correct 1.75amps and no more if I want to get the full ah rating of 35ah. Clarence battery will be about 25ah divided by 20hrs = 1.25 amps. 1.25amps discharging and no more to get the full 25ah out of that battery.

I have 100 batteries I should know. Some of my batteries are converted to ALUM also and this is a huge improvement often doubling or nearly doubling capacity though it takes double the joule count to charge it back up again.


Now here is what happens when you exceed the 1.25amp draw. As the battery is called upon to provide more amps than the factory rating allows
internal heating occurs in the form of chemical friction. This will lower Amp Hour capacity up to as much as 40 percent less.

If we pull 6 amps from Clarence 1.25amp battery rating the battery also will
degrade faster, meaning he will have to keep replacing his battery all of the time due to the abusive demands.

Almost everyone here making comments about how all of the energy comes from Clarence battery is showing us as a group that they have no practical common sense concerning battery, inverter operation.

My recommendation is to get a camping inverter pure sine wave and buy different types of batteries to run so you can make an educated guess in the future. Until people can make these steps no others are possible.

That is why I have been listening to John Bedini, because John is very much aware of what is needed to close the loop on many energy extraction devices.

Here is a video also of the approx same size battery as Clarence has running a 500 watt light. I have done this many times using those junk batteries or NON TRUE DEEP CYCLE batteries. By the time the video is ended he is ready to recharge his battery becauce he is demanding 40amps off his tiny battery, it looks like a 100ah truck battery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV5suWI_KqY

Until people make common load tests they have no idea what they are talking about.

Here is a Microwave Oven running off of Clarence size system calling on the battery at 100amps. He fried the battery in 5 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZhrqvYBqCE

[level]

If you read Patrick Kelly's pdf, he explains it in detail there. It is not connected to the grid. It uses the principle of electrostatic induction.
He mentions the grid to emphasise that the grid is used as a dipole only.
No electromagnetic induction, no direct connection to a hot or neutral at all.

I will trust more what is shown and explained in Matchett's own video. Patrick Kelly may have misunderstood if that is what he said. My guess is you won't see the same results if you use a battery and inverter. I could be wrong. Back to Barbosa and Leal.

[shylo]

The rods

How many rods does it take?
Whats the optimum spacing?
I could never get the rods to add together, they put out ~ the same amount.
I never put juice into the rods ,I just collect off them. But its' miniscule.
Does putting a certian amount in give more out?
If Clarences' system works ,To me it's just a matter of turning the lines of induction 90 deg. to the primary input.
Input north & south take off east & west??
Is that even close?
artv

[a.king21]

Ok, I have already commented on that video, but anyway,
this is the original copy of that video posted by Lorrie Matchett:
Free Energy Device ( the 3rd generation ) - YouTube

It is hard to follow what he is doing because he didn't show a connection diagram, but from what I can gather the board with the plugs on it is powered 'from the grid', i.e. it is plugged into a wall socket, off camera.

This is what I get from the video:
He first plugs in the little night light bulb into an AC plug on his board and measures the grid current as around thirty something milliamps.
He then plugs in the LED string into the other plug, and the current goes a little over forty milliamps.
He then unplugs the LED string and plugs the LED string into the output of his device, and then plugs his device into a plug on the board.
He shows that the grid current doesn't increase in his measurement. It is not clear which wire he is measuring the 'grid current' on, but I guess it was the hot wire.
The caption on the video reads:
"CURRENT DRAW ( from the grid ) Zero..."
It seems to me he wouldn't specifically say in the video that he is measuring the current "from the grid", if he wasn't plugged into the grid, AKA the mains power.
In the end of the video he has disconnected the multimeter from his little AC power board, which opens the circuit on the power board, and has connected to the output of his device to measure the DC output volts of his device.
He plugs his device into a wall socket because the board with the plugs on it has an open circuit due to the multimeter being disconnected from it.

That is how it appears to me in the video anyway, as best as I can tell. He could be powering from an inverter, but he did mention in his video caption that he was measuring the current "from the grid", so that is why I think that is what he was probably doing, but I have already explained this previously when I pointed out that he specifically mentions 'the grid'.

If you read Patrick Kelly's pdf, he explains it in detail there. It is not connected to the grid. It uses the principle of electrostatic induction.
He mentions the grid to emphasise that the grid is used as a dipole only.
No electromagnetic induction, no direct connection to a hot or neutral at all.

[level]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyZ...ature=youtu.be
is the one I'm talking about.

Ok, I have already commented on that video, but anyway,
this is the original copy of that video posted by Lorrie Matchett:
Free Energy Device ( the 3rd generation ) - YouTube

It is hard to follow what he is doing because he didn't show a connection diagram, but from what I can gather the board with the plugs on it is powered 'from the grid', i.e. it is plugged into a wall socket, off camera.

This is what I get from the video:
He first plugs in the little night light bulb into an AC plug on his board and measures the grid current as around thirty something milliamps.
He then plugs in the LED string into the other plug, and the current goes a little over forty milliamps.
He then unplugs the LED string and plugs the LED string into the output of his device, and then plugs his device into a plug on the board.
He shows that the grid current doesn't increase in his measurement. It is not clear which wire he is measuring the 'grid current' on, but I guess it was the hot wire.
The caption on the video reads:
"CURRENT DRAW ( from the grid ) Zero..."
It seems to me he wouldn't specifically say in the video that he is measuring the current "from the grid", if he wasn't plugged into the grid, AKA the mains power.
In the end of the video he has disconnected the multimeter from his little AC power board, which opens the circuit on the power board, and has connected to the output of his device to measure the DC output volts of his device.
He plugs his device into a wall socket because the board with the plugs on it has an open circuit due to the multimeter being disconnected from it.

That is how it appears to me in the video anyway, as best as I can tell. He could be powering from an inverter, but he did mention in his video caption that he was measuring the current "from the grid", so that is why I think that is what he was probably doing, but I have already explained this previously when I pointed out that he specifically mentions 'the grid'.

[a.king21]

There is no connection to the mains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyZ...ature=youtu.be

is the one I'm talking about.

[RAMSET]

A quick note to dragon

Thank you
I understand...

This Ferro resonance has been actively investigated for quite some time [as it applies to NMR],your observations and insights are greatly appreciated.

respectfully
Chet K

[BroMikey]

Take the first step

Taking the first step means reading about the invention. The next step is
finding out how the Patent hides the secret.



Nilson BARBOSA, et al. -- Earth Energy Generator -- 4 patents


GENERATOR CAPTURE EARTH ELECTRONS

Equipment electromagnetic generator that captures electrons Earth

It is an electromagnetic device that depending on how the connection to be connected to the grounding grid becomes free to move and capture particles energy to perform work instantly via electromagnetism. The sensor requires only a small initial force energy continually being supplied by an external power source , which can be provided by the local power utility . With this small amount of electricity consumed the sensor generates a large electromotive power . Depending on your constructive manner , the sensor can generate a power thousands of times greater than the energy that was consumed to perform the work performed and generated by the sensor , this energy that returns to the generating source ( Earth) . Use : Industrial , Commercial , Residential .

SELF-POWERED SYSTEM FOR ELECTRICITY GENERATION

Electromagnetic equipment that generates electrical energy in a closed loop between themselves .

It is a mobile or landline that instantly captures electrons through the compo electromagnetism, requiring only a small initial force energy, for a few seconds. Thus is reached closing the loop using the electromagnetic force present in the universe .

The system comprises rectifier ( AC / DC converter ), battery bank , inverter ( DC / AC ), and the captors of electrons in the headspace or electron captors land

Being a compact and mobile system that can be designed to provide electricity to low, medium or high power at any voltage and frequency.









The invention relates to a device that comprises at least three sets (A, B, C, D) of at least one device for generating an electromagnetic field (3) and (4), powered by an electricity source - without a core or with at least one core - the cores thereof or any extension thereof, preferably the windings or sets of windings thereof, being surrounded by at least a single conductive element forming a polarized and energized closed-circuit with itself (5), said sets of electromagnetic-field generating devices (3) and (4) being linked together by the opposing poles thereof to encourage the interaction of the electromagnetic fields thereof, which are preferably allocated between two hollow metal half-spheres (1) so as to concentrate and enhance the electromagnetic fields thereof, these interconnections causing, as a novel technical effect, the emergence of an electrical current that circulates, with or without voltage, in the conductive element forming a closed-circuit with itself (5) - point of the connections of the external loads - even if no load is placed thereon.

[level]

There is no connection to the mains.

I don't know what you are looking at, but I explained it clearly enough. He said in his own video Description section comments that he was connecting to the house wiring/grid, as I mentioned. Mr. Matchett also added comments to his two videos to hold off on building his setup as he wasn't so sure any more about his free energy claims. Why not take a look at his own videos and comments? I posted the link. Then you can see what Mr. Matchett actually said himself. Someone must have explained to him about the ground loop problem when connecting to the mains, so he posted an update to his video descriptions about not building his setup. If you have some valid reason for thinking otherwise, state your reasons, but please watch mr. Matchett's videos first and read his video description comments and all should be clear.

Edit: Are you sure you are talking about the same device and schematics I am talking about? It should be clear from my comments which one I am talking about however...

[a.king21]

Hello a.king21. I have seen Lorrie Matchett's couple of videos on this a few years ago and I remember he mentioned that this works from the 'house wiring'. In his other video he mentions that he was measuring current 'from the grid'. Based on this and from looking at his schematic I realized right away back then that what he was doing should be a ground loop in the mains.

If you look at his video description section for the following video of his, he mentions the following:
"It allows you to extract free electricity from your housing wiring, enough to power a string of 30-blue led mini lights and more..."
Free Energy " One of a Kind Device " - YouTube

If someone can get his setup to work with a battery and inverter and a connection to earth ground, then that would be something worth looking into further, but by Mr. Matchett's own description he was using the house wiring, AKA the grid, AKA the mains.

There is no connection to the mains.