Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[dragon]

Nice info Dragon
May I know what load application did u test with 400 amps
In my 3 identica 15 w 220 to 24 v transformer set up with all secondarys removed 2 turns of 10 m m wire in a close loop the loop current is 910amps and the cable is very hot 70 deg C output of 3rd transformer with drill input didnt changed but low rpm on a battery drill

Bro mickey thanks for the inverter 101 and battery very useful in this thread thanks

Wow ! Impressive ! 15watt input? 10mm wire is pretty small and certainly wouldn't take long to melt. I guess I'm going to have to try some other transformers and experiment a little...

My first test was using a 200 watt light bulb just to see how hot it would get - no light of course but it heats up quite quickly. I'm doing a series of tests with some Nickle wire currently with some interesting results...

[totoalas]

Nice info Dragon
May I know what load application did u test with 400 amps
In my 3 identica 15 w 220 to 24 v transformer set up with all secondarys removed 2 turns of 10 m m wire in a close loop the loop current is 910amps and the cable is very hot 70 deg C output of 3rd transformer with drill input didnt changed but low rpm on a battery drill

Bro mickey thanks for the inverter 101 and battery very useful in this thread thanks

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Your right, I apologize, it sounds trivial to me but it may not be to others trying to duplicate the results. I see it as a basic step down transformer, nothing all that special. I didn't realize that much current could be made with such a small cost so it's been springing new ideas by the minute...

One more thing, I screwed up in the diagram and labeled the cap I used as 8uf, after other experiments I looked at it and it was a 50uf. Not a big deal, I only used it to set the peak current through the torroid to make sure when I shorted it it wouldn't draw maximum current from the inverter - just adding impedance.

No problem dragon. I was just kidding around. Good idea on using the capacitor to help limit the current in the primary.

[dragon]

Your right, I apologize, it sounds trivial to me but it may not be to others trying to duplicate the results. I see it as a basic step down transformer, nothing all that special. I didn't realize that much current could be made with such a small cost so it's been springing new ideas by the minute...

One more thing, I screwed up in the diagram and labeled the cap I used as 8uf, after other experiments I looked at it and it was a 50uf. Not a big deal, I only used it to set the peak current through the torroid to make sure when I shorted it it wouldn't draw maximum current from the inverter - just adding impedance.

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2 Turns, 1/0 gauge, watt meter on the inverter. Xantrex prowatt SW 600. Lets see, aprox 1 ft of 1/0 on the torroid and 16 ft of 1/0 on the coil form making 8 turns. 400 amp reading on the 1ft 2 turn shorted, With the 8 turn connected to the secondary a 50 amp reading on the wire, 50 amps x 8 turns = 400 Amp/T

I don't understand the trivial questions.... ?

Hello dragon. I plan to test with a similar setup, hence wanting to know the details of your setup. As you probably already are aware, Barbosa and Leal show a somewhat similar kind of arrangement in their patent docs.
Thanks for all the details of your setup.
... and I don't understand how you could think someone wanting some specific details of the setup you used are trivial questions.... ???

[dragon]

Hello dragon. Sounds good. Did you have the secondary as just one loop through the toroid? What gauge wire for the secondary wire? How did you measure the input power to the toroid? Were you powering from an inverter at 120V? Sorry for all the questions. LOL!

2 Turns, 1/0 gauge, watt meter on the inverter. Xantrex prowatt SW 600. Lets see, aprox 1 ft of 1/0 on the torroid and 16 ft of 1/0 on the coil form making 8 turns. 400 amp reading on the 1ft 2 turn shorted, With the 8 turn connected to the secondary a 50 amp reading on the wire, 50 amps x 8 turns = 400 Amp/T

I don't understand the trivial questions.... ?

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... I became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - ...

Hello dragon. Sounds good. Did you have the secondary as just one loop through the toroid? What gauge wire for the secondary wire? How did you measure the input power to the toroid? Were you powering from an inverter at 120V? Sorry for all the questions. LOL!

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PPS
I had heard at OU.COM that Clarence had an 800 AH battery ??
will have to check that fact...

Hello Ramset. I read through Clarence's posts on ou.com and Clarence stated he was using a 70Ah battery:
"I only use ONE battery at present and it is an AC DELCO brand #48PG -770 cold crank amps - 70 AmpHour."
I don't know if Clarence is still using the same battery or not now.

Regarding what loads Clarence has run with his setup with his battery and inverter, I just wanted to point out that when Clarence mentioned connecting a microwave oven to his device here, Clarence didn't mention whether he was powering his device from the mains or from his battery. On ou.com Clarence previously stated that he was powering his device from the mains when he connected a microwave oven to his device. Clarence mentioned connecting a few other different things to his device here, but Clarence did not specify how long anything was connected and how much his battery voltage dropped, if he was powering from his battery. As one of my teachers once said to the class, don't assume, it makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".
Clarence previously stated on ou.com:
"I powered my unit (without charger, Battery, inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build
output to load .........KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts. about an 80/20 relationship."
Keep in mind that when powering this setup from the mains, the resulting ground loop could very well make power measurements from such a wattmeter connection invalid.

Imagine how different things might be here if Clarence didn't perceive sincere questions about how his device is performing as something negative or something against him. We could freely ask him questions like:
While running your device from your battery and inverter and self looping, what happens when you connect a 100W bulb (or whatever) to your device and leave it running for 4 hours? What was the measured start and end battery voltage?
and
What happens when you have no load connected to your device and you leave it self looping using the battery and inverter for 24 hours? What was the measured start and end battery voltage?
etc.
We wouldn't be sitting in almost the complete dark guessing how Clarence's setup might actually be performing, and we could potentially be much further ahead than we are now. We would know exactly how Clarence's setup is performing under different conditions and people could then decide whether to replicate or not based on actual knowledge of what Clarence's setup can actually do, rather than just guessing. Ah well. To each their own.

[BroMikey]

BroMikey, Your battery information is great for those starting out............................................... .................................................. .........

Like or disllike me for what ever reason makes no difference - I will continue searching for truth while picking up the bread crumbs along the way. There are a lot of good things gained from any journey...

Like or dislike? Are you kidding, it's guys like you a real love to listen to because you do the work. I never once thought you were anything less than a real researcher.

Tell me more dude you are so right on I can hardly wait to see what you found out. I too have 2 large 3000/6000watt inverters powering my house from $10,000 worth of batteries.

You have my undivided attention.

[dragon]

Dragon: Do you have a full circuit digram for this part:

Thanks for sharing.

I haven't built the NiChrome drum to fully test the idea of heating water, only small tests with a 200 watt bulb for heat output - tested but not confirmed. The other is the diagram for the magnetic field. This actually opened a door for some interesting ideas as solutions to some previous projects that have stumped me for some time now...

[a.king21]

BroMikey, Your battery information is great for those starting out, learning to calculate power needs is extremely important when you want to convert to off grid living - knowing your power needs for various loads can be an eye opener when your trying to reduce your bill.

I've been running my home on a battery storage system for over 15 years now. I have several inverters ( approximately 6000 watts of total capacity) carrying the loads with a small 1400 Ah battery bank. I'm not completely off grid as I can't run any of my 220 volt loads as yet. With the introduction of the newer pure sinewave stuff I can now convert my several smaller inverters to a split phase 220 unit that will replace the grid line to my main box, grid becomes a back up at that point. This system runs my home 24/7.

The input to this system is 1500 watts of solar, 1000 watt wind as well as a few different alternatives which I've built. My consumption is generally around 7-10kwh per day average. It can be quite challenging at times to become your own power station but the rewards are many.

I believe my goals are very similar to those that visit these forums so we are all looking for one simple thing - The plain simple truth, nothing more.

If Clarence is on the level and he has achieved the holy grail then I applaud him, bow to him and build it... but... if he's being deceptive in any way it benefits no one. The same investment could provide me with another 1500 watts of guaranteed power - all I have to do is install it.

I do all my own work, most of the schematics I've posted have never been seen before, I post nothing that I haven't tested and proven myself unless I state that it is a conceptual design outright. You have to admit that these forums are packed full of deception, not always in a bad way but what ever the motivation people spend hard earned money in an attempt to achieve some magical end only to find out it was just a pile of hooey from someone that wanted some attention, money or what ever.

I tend to be blunt and factual as I see it... if I'm wrong I'll be the first to humble myself and apologize. I am extremely open minded and will build anything given I have a reasonable belief that it is "truth".

I became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - with some nichrome strands I should be able to heat water with very little energy. I noticed something else from this... I wrapped a coil of 1/0 cable around an 8" PVC form to reduce the draw on the primary of the torroid which dropped the input down to 8 watts, still providing the overall 400 amp/T ratio when I noticed a ceramic magnet more than 6 ft away chattering bringing it close to the coil was amazing - that shouts motor drive quite loudly to me. No magic just plain logic and truth.

So the moral is, see things for what they are - then look at things not necessarily for what they were intended but for what they could be.

Like or disllike me for what ever reason makes no difference - I will continue searching for truth while picking up the bread crumbs along the way. There are a lot of good things gained from any journey...

Dragon: Do you have a full circuit digram for this part:
I became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - with some nichrome strands I should be able to heat water with very little energy. I noticed something else from this... I wrapped a coil of 1/0 cable around an 8" PVC form to reduce the draw on the primary of the torroid which dropped the input down to 8 watts, still providing the overall 400 amp/T ratio when I noticed a ceramic magnet more than 6 ft away chattering bringing it close to the coil was amazing - that shouts motor drive quite loudly to me. No magic just plain logic and truth.
Thanks for sharing.

[Grumage]

A thankyou.

Dear Chet.

Many thanks for pushing the envelope, alas some of my test gear would be considered antique by some !!

As a point of note the above experiment was carried out using my UPS so that there could be no interference from my Supply industry provided ground connection.

Dear Dragon.

As Chet has pointed out your insights are of great interest, many, many thanks for sharing them with us.

Cheers Grum.

[dragon]

BroMikey, Your battery information is great for those starting out, learning to calculate power needs is extremely important when you want to convert to off grid living - knowing your power needs for various loads can be an eye opener when your trying to reduce your bill.

I've been running my home on a battery storage system for over 15 years now. I have several inverters ( approximately 6000 watts of total capacity) carrying the loads with a small 1400 Ah battery bank. I'm not completely off grid as I can't run any of my 220 volt loads as yet. With the introduction of the newer pure sinewave stuff I can now convert my several smaller inverters to a split phase 220 unit that will replace the grid line to my main box, grid becomes a back up at that point. This system runs my home 24/7.

The input to this system is 1500 watts of solar, 1000 watt wind as well as a few different alternatives which I've built. My consumption is generally around 7-10kwh per day average. It can be quite challenging at times to become your own power station but the rewards are many.

I believe my goals are very similar to those that visit these forums so we are all looking for one simple thing - The plain simple truth, nothing more.

If Clarence is on the level and he has achieved the holy grail then I applaud him, bow to him and build it... but... if he's being deceptive in any way it benefits no one. The same investment could provide me with another 1500 watts of guaranteed power - all I have to do is install it.

I do all my own work, most of the schematics I've posted have never been seen before, I post nothing that I haven't tested and proven myself unless I state that it is a conceptual design outright. You have to admit that these forums are packed full of deception, not always in a bad way but what ever the motivation people spend hard earned money in an attempt to achieve some magical end only to find out it was just a pile of hooey from someone that wanted some attention, money or what ever.

I tend to be blunt and factual as I see it... if I'm wrong I'll be the first to humble myself and apologize. I am extremely open minded and will build anything given I have a reasonable belief that it is "truth".

I became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - with some nichrome strands I should be able to heat water with very little energy. I noticed something else from this... I wrapped a coil of 1/0 cable around an 8" PVC form to reduce the draw on the primary of the torroid which dropped the input down to 8 watts, still providing the overall 400 amp/T ratio when I noticed a ceramic magnet more than 6 ft away chattering bringing it close to the coil was amazing - that shouts motor drive quite loudly to me. No magic just plain logic and truth.

So the moral is, see things for what they are - then look at things not necessarily for what they were intended but for what they could be.

Like or disllike me for what ever reason makes no difference - I will continue searching for truth while picking up the bread crumbs along the way. There are a lot of good things gained from any journey...

[RAMSET]

Hard at it....

Grumage in the UK has been experimenting with Energy from the ground
and ground rods ,in addition to being inspired by Clarence ,he has also
noted dragon's contributions.

here are some of his initial tests and observations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__NQOtrzf0

Just for entertainment !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcPu4Ie47vA

and lastly..
this request from Grumage


Dear All.

Can anyone pick up the gauntlet from me ?

I have just finished an experiment injecting the rod 8 M away with a Sinus wave and looking at the signal at the closest rod. I saw no unusual signal until the 1 mhz frequency where the received signal appeared to be larger than the applied one.

Unfortunately my FG maxes at 1.6 mhz. I wonder if anyone can push this boundary to see if the effect is both valid and maybe even increases the received signal ?

Cheers Grum.

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to summarize ..he was seeing more back than he was putting in ..

respectfully
Chet
ps
Special thanks to dragon
PPS
I had heard at OU.COM that Clarence had an 800 AH battery ??

will have to check that fact...

[Fjohnnyb]

remember I do what I think is correct. And you are absolutely right I do tend to pick a bone now and then but I don't do it out of hate for you.

When I find a stuffed shirt I stuff him and stick a calculator in his hand.

If you can come back and say what you said, then my tutorial was worth it all. If people can't run these basic inverter battery tests then they may have alot of book smarts, but that doesn't mean a thing.

I am glad you are with me. Let's keep it tight and do the math.

I get real uptight when folks ignorantly hurl slanderous remarks of deception toward Clarence, when they can't even run the joule count. I know that was not you. But then I wasn't sure so I used you to sound off a bit. Thanks for letting me use you to get my point over.

You are pretty tough. I hope we can be friends for sure.

We are all grownups here (I hope!). I am here in the pursuit of knowledge, not to have my ego stroked. My posts regarding the device is never stated as a challenge nor do I ever claim that I know better. It is always just my opinion from what I observed and is always open for discussion. I ask for and welcome different opinions. Not insults though.

If we can keep it clean and productive then I'm sure we can indeed be friends

I'm doing some serious battery discharge testing in order to better understand what to expect from a battery+inverter setup and to see how your calculations relate to my findings.