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  • When you look at the images, you must remember those motors have 4 inputs when motoring. Dual comm motors have 4 brush sets/4 brush channels... A neg and positive brush set at every magnet, 5 past each magnet.

    The key word is during MOTORING only.

    Can you see the south and north fields sharing the same armature legs now?
    RPMs don't = usable torque

    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz

    Mark I hope you paid attention to the areas where the coils' "Max Density/magnetic strength" is with Group Winds, post #54... You motor is a 12pole 2magnts also. Be careful!!
    Last edited by Midaztouch; 05-25-2015, 10:28 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Midaztouch View Post
      When you look at the images, you must remember those motors have 4 inputs when motoring. Dual comm motors have 4 brush sets/4 brush channel... A neg and positive brush set at every magnet, 5 past each magnet.

      The key word is during MOTORING only

      Can you see the south and north fields sharing the same armature legs now?


      Keep it Clean and Green
      Midaz

      Mark I hope you paid attention to the areas where the coils "Max Density" is with Group Winds, post #54
      Originally posted by Midaztouch View Post
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      Before I comment on UFO's schematic above, I'll offer my opinion on the max density 'thing'.

      The 'melt down' on his thread with regards to timing and the confusion it seems to cause some (maybe nearly all) people I think is mostly due to the consideration of two live comm segments together at the same time. I think Sam and Gary's comments about coils 'ramping up' to full field is probably correct to some degree.

      I favoured the single comm connection idea to estimate the interaction path of one set of energised coils ie. time on brush...and with Sam and Gary's comments I am all the more convinced.

      So I think post #54 maybe correct or not, but I think it is misleading. There is A LOT of real world things to consider in the actual operation of fast spinning machines...most of these things make the theoretical just that...a best guess.

      Looking at the schematic at the top of the post. With all brushes energising their respective coils as you suggest. The poles firing south are trying to make the shaft 'north' and the coils firing north are trying to make the shaft 'south'.

      That certainly doesn't sound like something that is without consequences...I just don't know what those consequences are.

      However each coil group north or south does not share its poles with an opposite coil field so in that respect it is a good design in my opinion. Each coil group is using its field to repel out of the magnet area and attract into the next as the field collapses and therefore reinforces the rotation.

      I know that in my north / south motor the coils are reinforcing each other. And that seemed like a good thing to do. The flik-flak of the coils from north to south every half turn is an unavoidable consequence of the single comm design. But I was willing to trade.

      Good Hunting

      mark

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      • There is one important point I didn't pick up on.

        If the design in my previous post is indeed supposed to motor with all the brushes...then we have N / S / N / S field configuration which makes this quote a little hard to sustain :

        Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
        Dual Commutator Machines generates a "One Way Flow" within rotating fields...this has long, very long implications that range from flux flows to electrical fields flow...besides no constant colliding of electrons/flux...
        The coils will need to flik-flak every quarter turn and that sounds like A LOT of "constant colliding of electrons/flux"

        Maybe that is the elephant you're referring to ?

        Good Hunting

        mark

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        • UFO

          No one can have open conversation on your thread. If anyone asks a question that you disagree with, you go ballistic/crazy on them. The same goes on if anyone points out that you made a mistake.


          This is open forum. Anything anyone brings here will be scrutinized from people and over the world and from different educational levels. The main objective is to build the best complete unit. To do that, people must explore other concepts and discuss objections. Henceforth the name "Open Source".


          For the last 6mts, you have done nothing but insult and vent. No actual Scientific work. I hope that changes soon.


          I look forward and I wish you the best of luck on your 1,000,000 clicks celebration. I hope your Grand finale will clear up all doubts. That way, you start your own forum gracefully.


          Keep it Clean and Green
          Midaz

          By all means, my thoughts and opinions do not reflect the thoughts of Raul.
          Last edited by Midaztouch; 05-26-2015, 01:44 PM.

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          • I see Dufo has once again demonstrated he has the mental abilities of a 10 year old bully. I guess since he has lost almost all of his followers he has to find some other thread to harass. Such a sad thing to see a grown-up act so childish. Wait a minute! I made the assumption he was a grown-up. Maybe he really is 10 years old. That would explain why he always turns to insults instead of rational discussion.

            Carroll
            Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone. This means YOU especially BroMikey.

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            • nice clown boots there rich, heheh

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              • you need to leave all this ufo stuff behind midaz.
                you keep having a go at his ways, in almost all of your posts.

                no dis-respect intended, just my observations.
                im not favouring anyone, im on both your sides.

                hows the bike going by the way ?
                whats left to do, fit the chain ? ... and the thumb throttle ?
                did you say you were re-wiring the whole motor before fitting it ?

                i wanna see it smoke lambo's off the lights (0-30 atleast), after that its not a fair fight.

                curious to see what its run-time is too, what amp-hour are the 2 batteries youve got. are they deep cycle ? i cant remember

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                • Originally posted by grounded View Post
                  you need to leave all this ufo stuff behind midaz.
                  you keep having a go at his ways, in almost all of your posts.

                  no dis-respect intended, just my observations.
                  im not favouring anyone, im on both your sides.

                  hows the bike going by the way ?
                  whats left to do, fit the chain ? ... and the thumb throttle ?
                  did you say you were re-wiring the whole motor before fitting it ?

                  i wanna see it smoke lambo's off the lights (0-30 atleast), after that its not a fair fight.

                  curious to see what its run-time is too, what amp-hour are the 2 batteries youve got. are they deep cycle ? i cant remember


                  The bike is no problem. Just small details. The whole thing is the motor. I had a big mistake. I took the motor apart without thinking about running it in series first! The motor seemed to run fine on 12v & 24v to me. I used 18awg @ 220c. I could touch the wires after 30mins at 12v... Everyone said the 20amps at no load was really high, the motor will catch fire, space heater, ect.. So, I let the critics get in my head and l istened to them.. Without thinking it out throughly, I took the A1MoGen apart hastily to rebuild it better... Rookie mistake, My bad!

                  I wish one person used some constructive criticism and said, "Midaz, run the motor is series. That should drop the amps to a better range."... But it's all good! I should have been thinking instead of listening to the negativity.
                  At least I found out that the A1MoGen runs like a "Normal" DC Motor on a DC Power Supply.

                  I built the Imperial North/South motor back in the day. That N/S design had the strongest torque... When I connected the A1MoGen to that big 12v 72amp Bosch Lead Acid battery. The motor was alive! .... The torque had to be comparably/most likely stronger then the north/south wind Imperial. And I only used 23 turns of 18awg for my "test" build. The imperial's magnets are the same size as 5poles. The singular coils use all 5armature pole/legs to drive the motor on repulse mode.

                  There is NO share of different coils polar fields(N/S) in the armature poles/legs with the A1MoGen = Singular Coils. The armature legs are 100% north or 100% south. I see this as a major advantage! More concrete testing is needed.

                  I'm playing it cool right now and being patient. I need to use the right gauge wire. I'm thinking about running the motor in series and definitely using 6poles for the singular coil winds.... But I'm open to suggestions on wire gauge.

                  Keep it Clean and Green
                  Midaz

                  I paid for my motor parts with shipping to Japan. I need to use it the way that seems correct to me or the best way. That has always been my goal.
                  Last edited by Midaztouch; 05-30-2015, 01:14 PM.

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                  • the batteries you mean ?

                    did you run them in parallel before ?

                    series :
                    -------
                    2 x 12v ... becomes 24v, with half amps.

                    more speed, with shorter run-time.

                    parallel :
                    --------
                    2 x 12v ... stays 12v, with double amps.

                    less speed, with longer run-time.

                    Connecting Batteries in Series or Parallel

                    id stick with parallel myself probably, if the bike drives ok.
                    electric vehicles suffer enough already with short run times
                    Last edited by grounded; 05-30-2015, 03:21 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by grounded View Post
                      the batteries you mean ?

                      did you run them in parallel before ?

                      series :
                      -------
                      2 x 12v ... becomes 24v, with half amps.

                      more speed, with shorter run-time.

                      parallel :
                      --------
                      2 x 12v ... stays 12v, with double amps.

                      less speed, with longer run-time.

                      Connecting Batteries in Series or Parallel

                      id stick with parallel myself probably, if the bike drives ok.
                      electric vehicles suffer enough already with short run times
                      Your post about battery info is good.


                      The key point in my last post was testing the motor in series.

                      With the dual comm motors, you can run the motor in series or parallel ..... The thinking is kind of like your post about batteries.

                      In Parallel (4inputs) the motor can use more power... In Series (2inputs) the motor can use less power....

                      Or

                      In parallel you should use a thinner wire with more turns per coil ... In Series you should use a thicker wire less turns per coil. .... The debate is which way is best. And why!? It's a balancing act of RPMs vs torque, basically.

                      Kogs has been the best person at wire gauge choices for the Imperial so far. His input/calculations was very valuable for the N/S motor but he hasnt shared any thoughts yet the all North designs... Also, We must wait for Ross to finish his last bit of testing, then he will be able to give some sound advise for wire resistance and ohms targets.


                      Keep it Clean and Green
                      Midaz
                      Last edited by Midaztouch; 05-30-2015, 10:53 PM.

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                      • any new updates for the electro-bike ?

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                        • Originally posted by grounded View Post
                          any new updates for the electro-bike ?
                          Hey Grounded

                          I got most of the major parts for my EV Build. Recently. I haven't done anything physical for the build. My motor is pretty straight forward, no extra brushes.... But I usually think about, how to collect energy with the extra brushes. The thing that intrigues me about collecting energy with the extra brushes is keeping the coil magnetic fields from overlapping.

                          General consensus with these motors is to run the motor on attract mode and collect energy from the repulsion Induction.

                          When the motor is powered on attract mode the amps are less and the torque is less...
                          This is the important part ---> Theoretically, the torque would be increased/added to, when you collect energy on the repulse mode coils.


                          Do to the nature of the independent brushes, I would use a 24pole, 4 magnet A1MoGen like this....

                          4 channels in series with the thickest gauge wire as possible without heating for motoring.
                          &
                          4 channels(The extra brushes) in parallel for the collection of energy with Amps in mind.

                          *use singular coils the wrap around each/one rotor pole/leg.


                          Keep it Clean and Green
                          Midaz
                          Last edited by Midaztouch; 06-28-2015, 07:42 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by grounded View Post
                            the batteries you mean ?

                            did you run them in parallel before ?

                            series :
                            -------
                            2 x 12v ... becomes 24v, with half amps.

                            more speed, with shorter run-time.

                            parallel :
                            --------
                            2 x 12v ... stays 12v, with double amps.

                            less speed, with longer run-time.

                            Connecting Batteries in Series or Parallel

                            id stick with parallel myself probably, if the bike drives ok.
                            electric vehicles suffer enough already with short run times


                            A/Hrs (or capacity) stay the same in series. So 12v 10A/Hr in series with 12v 10A/Hr = 24v 10A/Hr.

                            Midaz, what type of batteries are you intent on running here? Li-Po? NiMH? SLA?

                            Regards
                            "Once you've come to the conclusion that what what you know already is all you need to know, then you have a degree in disinterest." - John Dobson

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                            • Originally posted by ren View Post
                              A/Hrs (or capacity) stay the same in series. So 12v 10A/Hr in series with 12v 10A/Hr = 24v 10A/Hr.

                              Midaz, what type of batteries are you intent on running here? Li-Po? NiMH? SLA?

                              Regards
                              Hi Ren

                              How are you doing? Building anything? Any thoughts that you want to share?

                              As far batteries, a dozen bricks of lipos are in the distant future but I will work with what I can get my hands easily and abundant... Lead acid batteries.

                              Keep it Clean and Greeen
                              Midaz

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                              • What's up?

                                Richie,
                                Did everyone stop working on asymmetric motor projects? There hasn't been anything on either forum for over a month. Are people posting somewhere else?
                                John

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