Newman Motor Finally Explained?

[wantomake]

Saw it.

Have you watched the Newman Movie that came out in 2016?

Vidbid,
Yes I watched it and it just infuriated me even more against those suppressive bastards that are killing and destroying the only mother earth we live on. For what? For greed and power over us.

wantomake

[vidbid]

Evidence for the 9 O'Clock Gap

Newman Motor Commutator Contact on Large Disc Circumference



Newman Motor Commutator3 O'clock Gap on Large Disc Circumference



Possible Schematic or Diagram for Newman Motor Commutator

@wantomake, Thanks.

Let me start out by saying, to me, the first thing of importance is to make the observation.

That's what I do. I observe, and then I try to make an observation.

After I make the observation, then I will attempt to formulate a theory.

I'm not sure what the function of the 3 O'clock Gap is, but I do observe that there is clearly a 3 O'clock Gap there.

As for the 9 O'clock Gap, I'm only speculating that it exists. I don't know for certain that it is there, but I can speculate that if it is there, what then how it might affect the operation of the commutator.

As for the bridges across the commutator contacts, again, that is only speculation. At this point, I can only speculate.

I'm pretty sure that Newman was feeding the fly-back from his coil into his battery at some point. I believe (but I can't prove) that the function of the caps is to catch the fly-back in some way and hold it, possibly, as a buffer.

In one of his videos (I'm not sure which), Newman stated something about keeping the magnetic field in the coil (at least, that's what I believe that I heard.) Would his latest commutator design accomplish that? I believe the answer is Possibly.

Good luck to all who attempt any kind of replication based on Newman's latest work.

At this point, I believe Newman's latest motor works and produces overunity. I believe that the answer has got to be simple. I'm not worried about the Einsteinian theory that Newman embraced and tried to explain. He would have done better just to show how he built the machine, but he didn't with his latest machine.

So we have to piece it together with his videos and images of his latest machine.

I found this image that shows the so-called 9 O'Clock Gap

https://pesn.com/archive/2010/06/30/...o/img_0093.jpg

So, I'll have to update my diagram.

[vidbid]

Geoffrey,
I did purchase the presentation from the conference and you didn't spend enough time on build details. I may have missed something but I'll look at it again.

wantomake

Have you watched the Newman Movie that came out in 2016?

[vidbid]

Vidbid,
I'm now trying to decide which disc type wound work best or at all. My disc is only 3+ inches wide by 1/2" thick. Not a good flywheel at all. But I want to use the "firing, blank, shorting," segments on the disc design. My segments will not be as small or as many as this picture shows.

I have built the barrel type comm but no shorting segments on it. I followed the design from the complete display that part of is shown above(top).

wantomake

Those designs are obsolete. Newman changed how he designed the commutator. Look at the commutator on Big Eureka. That is Newman's latest design.

[energybat]

To all newman motor update from energybat labs 2017

To All

Geoffrey miller from energybat.com

If you go to Aaron's website and buy my talk about
the Joe Newman's Motor of this years Conference
you will have a lot Questions answered.

Have a great day.

Geoffrey

PS thanks Tom C.

I'm a fan of Art Porter of Gap Power.

GAP Power, Magnetic Neutralization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8eZ3YsT8nI

I believe his machines possess overunity capabilities.

However, to me, it's like comparing apples to oranges.

In my view, Newman's latest commutator is super simple.

Miller is a good guy. I have a lot of respect for him.



Notice that his build (the above prototype) lacks Newman's "Copper Shorting Band" so-termed by me.

In the above build, the commutator speed is controlled by an external secondary motor.

However, I'm a traditionalist and a purist, so I like sticking to Newman's design.

The two small discs supply source power.

The singular large disc alternately supplies power to the stator coil.

There you have it.

Sidebar: I, too, am very much interested in upping the rotational speed of the Newman motor, hence, the interest in magnet bearings.

[wantomake]

Capacitor and spark gap?

Thanks. Much appreciated.



wantomake,

Good points and interesting.

I want to say about the idea of using reed switches. Personally, I don't believe it's a Newman motor if it's using reed switches.

About the BEMF or CEMF, to me, that's the gold in the machine.

To me, the magic happens in the commutator. If you look at Newman's latest videos, take some time and study his commutator.



It looks like Newman has a "continuous" shorted band on his commutator, which I'll be implementing in my commutator design.

For the purposes of constructing a Newman commutator, I have a couple of steel discs that I'm playing with, but I'm thinking about using copper, instead, but I might just use one of the steel discs to prototype with.

I think the majority of people miss the importance of Newman's commutator in the design, and I'm not talking about his book. I believe people need to really watch his last few videos of his motor Big Eureka.

It's really a shame that he didn't explain its workings while he was alive.

Luckily, I think there's enough video segments of its operation that we can piece its construction together.

I believe the most important component in his motor is the commutator, especially, the commutator in Big Eureka.

I believe that's where our attention needs to be.

Hey vidbid,
Could you add a capacitor with a spark gap(at top or bottom) across the coil?

A spark gap is the only way to keep the capacitor from shorting out if connected across the coil.

What do you think?.

wantomake

[wantomake]

Disc design

The video is still available:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ2-p5Zc8qY

And that image is still there, but blurry:



Anyhow, here's his famous commutator:

Notice how every third section of the commutator shorts the stator coil.



Rest in Peace: Joseph Westley Newman (July 2, 1936 – March 6, 2015)

By the way, everybody, you can get his writings from the following link:

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/BooksDownload.html

Vidbid,
I'm now trying to decide which disc type wound work best or at all. My disc is only 3+ inches wide by 1/2" thick. Not a good flywheel at all. But I want to use the "firing, blank, shorting," segments on the disc design. My segments will not be as small or as many as this picture shows.

I have built the barrel type comm but no shorting segments on it. I followed the design from the complete display that part of is shown above(top).

wantomake

[pjotterkjen]

Commutator

With this commutator I can short the coil out but I noticed that pulls 20 more percent power and slows it down. I order 10 more pounds of wire and I have some high frequency transformer laminates. I'm going to remove the magnet rotor and use a laminate rotor. To beat lenz's law. Also I'm going to put the laminates in the coils.

This is an interesting commutator setup.
I'm just curious, did you include all three segments described by Newman (referring to the FIRE, BLANK, and SHORT segments described in Chapter 9 of his book)?

pjotterkjen

[vidbid]

Miller

@Vidbid,

What did Miller's commutator hook up to? The center contact looks like it might correspond to Art's Porter's proportions?

I'm a fan of Art Porter of Gap Power.

GAP Power, Magnetic Neutralization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8eZ3YsT8nI

I believe his machines possess overunity capabilities.

However, to me, it's like comparing apples to oranges.

In my view, Newman's latest commutator is super simple.

Miller is a good guy. I have a lot of respect for him.



Notice that his build (the above prototype) lacks Newman's "Copper Shorting Band" so-termed by me.

In the above build, the commutator speed is controlled by an external secondary motor.

However, I'm a traditionalist and a purist, so I like sticking to Newman's design.

The two small discs supply source power.

The singular large disc alternately supplies power to the stator coil.

There you have it.

Sidebar: I, too, am very much interested in upping the rotational speed of the Newman motor, hence, the interest in magnet bearings.

[Allen Burgess]

Geoffry S. Miller.

@Vidbid,

What did Miller's commutator hook up to? The center contact looks like it might correspond to Art's Porter's proportions?

[Allen Burgess]

GAP solid state commutator

Look at this "Hybrid Coil" commutator of mine with custom latching Reed Switches: Three channels: Pulse width, BEMF, and CEMF output; Powered by a 12 volt DC fan:

A simple readjustment of the trigger magnets can turn my GAP commutator into a Joe Newman commutator like Miller's.

[maxc]

My commutator. So far it will go .028 amp negative back too battery. Was using .03 aluminum mig wire as brushes. Needs more work.

With this commutator I can short the coil out but I noticed that pulls 20 more percent power and slows it down. I order 10 more pounds of wire and I have some high frequency transformer laminates. I'm going to remove the magnet rotor and use a laminate rotor. To beat lenz's law. Also I'm going to put the laminates in the coils.

[vidbid]

V/RS Correlation

The major drawback to Newman's commutator, as I see it, is that it's connected directly to the spinning magnet axle.

This limit's the motor to one speed regulated by voltage alone. Separating the commutator from the spinner, as I separated Art porter's on the "Magnet Torque Amplifier" thread would allow the motor to operate over a wider range of R.P.M. and increase the availability of resonant sweet spots.

Interesting perspective, though, I'm not sure how a voltage-to-rotational-speed correlation would be a drawback.

To increase rotational speed, increase voltage.



If 60 9-volt batteries gives you X RPM, and if 70 9-volt batteries gives you >X RPM, I'm not sure how that would be a drawback.

Couldn't you just dial in whatever rotational speed you wanted simply by adjusting a variac (which is ahead of a FWBR)?

As for separation, wouldn't disassociating the armature's magnet rotational function from the function provided by the commutator cause a possible phase misalignment between the function of the commutator and the relative position of the armature's magnet?

I'm not saying what you propose can't be done. In fact, it has already been done by Geoffry S. Miller.



(Later note: The above commutator is missing the coil shorting segments.)





(For what is a variac, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfETCn09hhc

[Allen Burgess]

Newman commutator.

The major drawback to Newman's commutator, as I see it, is that it's connected directly to the spinning magnet axle.

This limit's the motor to one speed regulated by voltage alone. Separating the commutator from the spinner, as I separated Art porter's on the "Magnet Torque Amplifier" thread would allow the motor to operate over a wider range of R.P.M. and increase the availability of resonant sweet spots.

[vidbid]

Newman Motor Commutator

Missing image in previous post:


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Vidbid,
You are right about the comm. So I will build one barrel and one wheel or disc type each. Also a single or two coil setup is possible.

First I'll try the barrel type comm, then build the disc shaped one to test with single coil setup.

Question- the blanks at 9:00 and 3:00 are those just the "blank spots" of the disk? I see the circular "short out". And the "firing" segments.

I agree, would be great if Newman had filled in some blanks(pun intented) about this comm design.

Why the continuous short? Does a large mass of wire hold magnetism or energy even while shorted? How will you harvest the CEMF or BEMF, the gold of the machine? Also what was the purpose for the giant capacitor?

The main reason I replicate this device is to answer the above stated. I've not tested this machine yet and confusion has already blocked my thinking........

I will go back and review the vids more.

wantomake

Newman Motor Commutator Contact on Large Disc Circumference



Newman Motor Commutator3 O'clock Gap on Large Disc Circumference



Possible Schematic or Diagram for Newman Motor Commutator

@wantomake, Thanks.

Let me start out by saying, to me, the first thing of importance is to make the observation.

That's what I do. I observe, and then I try to make an observation.

After I make the observation, then I will attempt to formulate a theory.

I'm not sure what the function of the 3 O'clock Gap is, but I do observe that there is clearly a 3 O'clock Gap there.

As for the 9 O'clock Gap, I'm only speculating that it exists. I don't know for certain that it is there, but I can speculate that if it is there, what then how it might affect the operation of the commutator.

As for the bridges across the commutator contacts, again, that is only speculation. At this point, I can only speculate.

I'm pretty sure that Newman was feeding the fly-back from his coil into his battery at some point. I believe (but I can't prove) that the function of the caps is to catch the fly-back in some way and hold it, possibly, as a buffer.

In one of his videos (I'm not sure which), Newman stated something about keeping the magnetic field in the coil (at least, that's what I believe that I heard.) Would his latest commutator design accomplish that? I believe the answer is Possibly.

Good luck to all who attempt any kind of replication based on Newman's latest work.

At this point, I believe Newman's latest motor works and produces overunity. I believe that the answer has got to be simple. I'm not worried about the Einsteinian theory that Newman embraced and tried to explain. He would have done better just to show how he built the machine, but he didn't with his latest machine.

So we have to piece it together with his videos and images of his latest machine.