Hydrogen production beyond belief

[RAMSET]

Mark Dansie shared this at OU.com

Breakthrough in Hydrogen Production Provides the Cheapest Fuel Source, Game Changer... -- MENLO PARK, Calif., March 12, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ --

Yes they know its impossible ,well it used to be impossible.....[depends on who's book you read]

EPA Certified test lab has verified the claim

Enjoy

Chet

[Muon]

Interesting stuff! Thanks for the heads-up, Chet.

And this mystery (from your link):

The hydrogen reactor actually turns 1 liter of water into 1kg of hydrogen! While this flies in the face of today's basic science where even a 5th grader knows that 1 liter of water contains 111.11 grams of hydrogen and 888.89 grams of oxygen -- nevertheless, numerous performance tests, including Airkinetics Inc., a prominent EPA-certified national emissions testing specialist, measured the output reactor at 50 ACFM with 93.1% Hydrogen content.
Solar Hydrogen Trends, Inc. stands by its performance claims and welcomes other independent performance measurements of its hydrogen reactor input/output by the media and leading industry experts. (Download Airkinetics Inc fuel performance test results :http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/S...ce%20_test.pdf.)
For more information on the hydrogen reactor and the Company, please visit Solar Hydrogen Trends Inc..

[wrtner]

"Convert 1 litre of water into 1 Kg of Hydrogen" ?

Whilst water is H2O, and the atomic weights of H and O are 1 and 16 respectively, surely the theoretical maximum must be (2/18 x 1000) grams, namely 111 grams.

There is no mention of a US patent under the company name or the names of the two principles.

[Jetijs]

No description of the technology, no patent numbers, no pictures of the reactor or anything at all, only bogus claims.

[Beamgate]

Hmm,

4-7 Volts @ 100 Amps to produce the 93-95% H.

Still sounds like brute force as usual.

[ewizard]

Also stated : 500 watts input will yield enough hydrogen to produce 221.5 Kilowatt/hours of power for a cost of $1.80. Sounds like a definite self runner other than the input of water. Reading the bio's on the people there shows some PhD's and a lot of good credentials. If it's real it could indeed be a game changer. Let's hope....

[ewizard]

Hmm,

4-7 Volts @ 100 Amps to produce the 93-95% H.

Still sounds like brute force as usual.

Actually I believe I just read there that they use 16 different chemical and physical processes to achieve this. I wouldn't call roughly 500 watts brute force .... maybe brute Amps though

[RAMSET]

personally Investigating OU claims for quite some time

ewizard
Yes Mark Dansie shared this information release and he has many many years of "eyes on hands on" with OU claims.

A certified lab of note has hung their name on the tests,learned men
are heavily involved ,plus an open invite to all qualified investigation is being solicited.

very intiguing indeed.........

thx

Chet

[Allcanadian]

@wrtner
That was priceless, you said:

"Convert 1 litre of water into 1 Kg of Hydrogen" ?

Whilst water is H2O, and the atomic weights of H and O are 1 and 16 respectively, surely the theoretical maximum must be (2/18 x 1000) grams, namely 111 grams.

while the post before yours you obviously didn't read said:

While this flies in the face of today's basic science where even a 5th grader knows that 1 liter of water contains 111.11 grams of hydrogen

Then Jetijs said:

No description of the technology, no patent numbers, no pictures of the reactor or anything at all, only bogus claims.

He obviously didn't bother to follow the link to their website and see that big old machine in the graphic behind almost every page of text.

I seems the quality of critics in this place is almost pathetic compared to what it used to be. Although it is comical to read... keep up the good work guys.

On another note even if it works as claimed it doesn't matter because there are too many motionless generators in the works and if even one works even marginally then the H2 dream is a pipe dream at best. It may have mattered 30 years ago but it's time has long since past before it even began.

AC

[RAMSET]

Subtle as a Fart in Church.....

AC
No need to be condescending and rude.

The next 30 years will be the ones which will make all the diference for us and our children [once this OU dam breaks],
and how we treat each other will probably be more important than ever.
since the ability to annihilate will be so easy to come by.

Chet

[wayne.ct]

A noticable lack of detail

Perhaps more information will be forthcoming. If not, it will never see the light of day. We have seen this before and it doesn't turn out well.

[Jetijs]

Then Jetijs said:


He obviously didn't bother to follow the link to their website and see that big old machine in the graphic behind almost every page of text.

AC

Looked at the links again. There is no picture of a machine. Or do you mean that bottling conveyor in the design graphic?

Here is that picture:
http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/img/laboratory.jpg
Looks like a bottling machine to me

And here is the original:
Drinks Production Plant In China Stock Photo 166130981 : Shutterstock

[wrtner]

@wrtner
That was priceless, you said:

while the post before yours you obviously didn't read said:

Then Jetijs said:
What is the purpose
He obviously didn't bother to follow the link to their website and see that big old machine in the graphic behind almost every page of text.

I seems the quality of critics in this place is almost pathetic compared to what it used to be. Although it is comical to read... keep up the good work guys.

On another note even if it works as claimed it doesn't matter because there are too many motionless generators in the works and if even one works even marginally then the H2 dream is a pipe dream at best. It may have mattered 30 years ago but it's time has long since past before it even began.

AC

Allcanadian:

What was your purpose in writing this post?
.

[ewizard]

I detect full moon posts .... I can see both sides of this but it would be good to take a deep breath. While I find it interesting they have that bottling thing in their background pics that doesn't kill the whole deal. They might not want the inside of their lab seen at this point. I'll agree hydrogen may not be as important now but it would still be an easier retrofit for many vehicles than going to electric vehicles based on other tech. If it's anything that can lower the cost of energy and keep things less polluted I'LL TAKE IT!!!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

From my calculations

50cubic feet/min of H2 = 1415 Ltrs/min H2 @ 500watts = 0.35w/ltr

That is OU as far as energy convertion is concerned, but, moving that amount of H2 is also an item!! H2 in liquid water is a very fine bubble, the mechanics of moving that volume would mean that a vacuum is being used in the reactor or it is water mist being reacted so as it does not have to evolve through the water.

I would go for the water mist and the reactor was flushed through with N2/Ar before switching on. 500w is not a lot of power which brings me to the amperage, 100 amps+- @ 5volts. I would say the amperage was measured at the reactor and not the main input (see what I posted on the Meyer thread).

Using inductive RF with a low volt input of around 5v at the cell could devolope hundreds of amps (this works), but there claim is way beyound what I can do.

The weight of H might be because it is not H2, it could be a heavier element of H, but that would be moving into the realms of nuclear reactions and I don't think it would or they might start glowing in the dark.

The last para: apart, I think there is a miss understanding of numbers, somewhere they are certainly assuming transmutation to reach those numbers, but of what? I would say certainly not the oxygen, so where has the hydrogen come from? not the water for a fact. What other molecules are they using which contain such a volume of H apart from the one litre of water???? The Oxygen, lack of, I do not have a problem with (re. SMD) it goes to oxidation of an element in an electrode and generates electrons which can be used to power part of the system "that's why there is only 500w consumed, maybe" and a good possibility to go OU on energy value

Just my musings for today

regards

Mike