anything that works?

[Peter Lindemann]

Insulation Protocol

ok, I was right in my assumption, this is the same information that is regularly passed around, yet very few have made a viable replication of. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen a replication that produced more than 1 watt.

So, does this work? Have you tried it, tested it, measured it?

I have tested a few variations of this concept, using long stretches of coax, big polished aluminum plates, etc, and none of them charged a battery. In fact, very few even produced measurable energy. I wasn't able to get it to work. What's the trick for making it work?

Dear Velacreations,

I know what you mean about this one. It took me years to figure out why my early attempts failed. This circuit, straight out of Tesla's Radiant Energy patents, collects a "quality" of electricity that is quite different than the kind you are used to. It's more like a dynamic form of static electricity. Its relationship to the environment is quite active, and any aggregation of the charge tends to leak back to the environment quickly, if allowed.

The TRICK for making it work is what I call the "insulation protocol". The elevated wire is best if it is bare. It must be suspended on glass insulators, like old soda bottles. Even the outside "shiny surface" of a PVC pipe will discharge the energy. The capacitor must be insulated to 10kv, with very low leakage. The elevated wire coming into the capacitor must not touch anything except the air, the glass insulators and the capacitor connection. Even the moisture in a wooden base will discharge the energy. The ground connection must be a significant copper bar sunk into the ground a couple of feet.

Set the spark gap to about .015" to keep the voltages down and use a full-wave bridge instead of a single diode.

The length of the elevated wire, its height off the ground, and the local weather conditions will determine the amount of energy available at any given time. Conditions with an overcast sky, still air and high humidity work the worst. Sunny, low humidity conditions work well, but certain foggy conditions with a slight breeze, or even cold, light snow fall, can produce ferocious outputs. People can get hurt under these circumstances, so a second, safety spark-gap directly to ground, is usually installed.

So, that is the TRICK, as you have asked for it. Any Ham Radio operator can verify this criteria.

Best regards,
Peter

[velacreations]

See as I said you start to talk of watts .. that’s very different from anything that works which is the question you asked. watts is a measurement of power, energy is a measure of power applied applied over time. for Instance if you have a charged battery you have many watts available for a considerable time. How much energy ? all depends how many batteries how many antenna's how much time and so it goes on. If I wanted lots of power I wouldn't build this. however you want a thing that works QED
I'm sorry your not capable of making this simple circuit work . Here is the simplest version of it I can find Free electricity - YouTube no coax no shiny plates It does however answer your base question .. anything that works … yes there is free energy … if you want to go further as I have pointed out there's a huge amount to learn and a whole power structure to change.
Have I seen this work? … yes .. you'll be able to light an LED with it in due course. It has a COP of infinity however it is not over unity.
Its a good starting point for a newbie genuinely interested in free energy ….. Its exactly that! it also answers you question and effectively closes this thread.

so, by that reasoning, solar energy is free energy, too, right? I mean, at these power levels (microwatt), it is quite possible that you are picking up power from radio towers, cell phone towers, etc.

[velacreations]

Dear Velacreations,

I know what you mean about this one. It took me years to figure out why my early attempts failed. This circuit, straight out of Tesla's Radiant Energy patents, collects a "quality" of electricity that is quite different than the kind you are used to. It's more like a dynamic form of static electricity. Its relationship to the environment is quite active, and any aggregation of the charge tends to leak back to the environment quickly, if allowed.

The TRICK for making it work is what I call the "insulation protocol". The elevated wire is best if it is bare. It must be suspended on glass insulators, like old soda bottles. Even the outside "shiny surface" of a PVC pipe will discharge the energy. The capacitor must be insulated to 10kv, with very low leakage. The elevated wire coming into the capacitor must not touch anything except the air, the glass insulators and the capacitor connection. Even the moisture in a wooden base will discharge the energy. The ground connection must be a significant copper bar sunk into the ground a couple of feet.

Set the spark gap to about .015" to keep the voltages down and use a full-wave bridge instead of a single diode.

The length of the elevated wire, its height off the ground, and the local weather conditions will determine the amount of energy available at any given time. Conditions with an overcast sky, still air and high humidity work the worst. Sunny, low humidity conditions work well, but certain foggy conditions with a slight breeze, or even cold, light snow fall, can produce ferocious outputs. People can get hurt under these circumstances, so a second, safety spark-gap directly to ground, is usually installed.

Thank you, Peter. What sort of power have you harvested from a system like this?

The "insulation protocol" contradicts many of the descriptions of this device, that bare wires will not work (electret). I will try your method immediately, and post the results.

Any Ham Radio operator can verify this criteria.

The majority of Ham operators dispute that any useful power can be harvested.

[Aaron]

proper distinctions needed

My definition of OU, as it relates here, is getting more energy out of a system/device/machine than is put into the system/device/machine.

I know that is not an official definition, and I might be using the wrong terminology, but I'm basically asking if we have any energy devices that are more than 100% efficient.

You have to change the distinction of what you're looking for because what you are asking has nothing to do with real "free energy" technologies.

As Duncan said, he doesn't believe in "overunity" but does believe in over 1.0 COP. For practical purposes, we know what is intended by the use of the word overunity even though you can't have more than everything so overunity is an oxymoron. But point is, the word overunity has become synonymous with meaning over 1.0 COP - at least for those that do know the distinctions.

Anyway, your first sentence above is missing the proper distinction. You're not going to see anything that is giving you more energy out than goes in. However, what you will find are devices that give you more energy out than what YOU have to input - meaning you are using a small amount of input to leverage free environmental input. You CAN have more out than YOU put in but you're not going to have more out than the total input. This is not semantics - this is just the way it is.

Your second sentence is also not using a valid distinction. You're not going to see over 100% efficient. However, you WILL see devices that are 100% efficient or less, but are able to output more than YOU have to input, meaning it is over 1.0 COP. Efficiency is total out compared to total in. COP is total out compared only to what we had to pay for not including free environmental input.

Most people cannot find anything that is over 1.0 COP because they're looking for something magical that doesn't exist and do not know the distinctions so therefore will never be able to see that over 1.0 COP systems are all over the place. Every natural system is over 1.0 COP and classical 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics DO NOT APPLY to any natural system.

Your refrigerator is producing more work in measurable joules of energy than you pay for at the wall. Heat moves for free. There you go - a legitimate free energy machine. Under 100% efficient, but giving you 200~250% net gain in work compared to what you draw from the wall in heat movement.

Veljko 2 state mechanical oscillator - COP 5.0, that is under 100% efficient but is a 500% net gain in mechanical work done compared to the small amount needed to swing the little pendulum.

I posted the numbers to 160% net gain in work from the recovery battery compared to what left the input battery on a small Bedini SSG in the other forum. And that doesn't even include the mechanical work on the wheel. That is under 100% efficient but is producing more than what I have provided.

The list goes on...

It isn't a matter of whether there are devices posted here or elsewhere that are "overunity" - it is a matter of whether someone can recognize what it is when they see one - and the answer is usually no for the average person. They don't know what they don't know (unconscious incompetence) so they judge it based on that, which is completely ridiculous.

[velacreations]

Anyway, your first sentence above is missing the proper distinction. You're not going to see anything that is giving you more energy out than goes in. However, what you will find are devices that give you more energy out than what YOU have to input - meaning you are using a small amount of input to leverage free environmental input. You CAN have more out than YOU put in but you're not going to have more out than the total input. This is not semantics - this is just the way it is.

Yeah, I see what you are saying. Wind, hydro, and solar would fit this description, as I am not the one doing the input.

[velacreations]

so, maybe the question needs to be, what mechanisms or devices are the most efficient at converting environmental energy into electricity in a usable quantity?

[chainmailleman]

The majority of Ham operators dispute that any useful power can be harvested.

I do not share that conclusion.

Most HAM operators only know of transverse electro-magnetic waves. These waves are unsuitable for any kind of power transmission.

KJ6GOT

[Aaron]

over 1.0 cop - all over the place

Yeah, I see what you are saying. Wind, hydro, and solar would fit this description, as I am not the one doing the input.

Those do qualify as legit free energy over 1.0 cop machines.

But I am referring to ones that we do have to input work to get them going.

The Veljko 2 state mechanical oscillator for example amplifies the energy about 5 times. Just add the work input on the small pendulum and then do the work calculations on the big hammer and you see that way more work is being produced than what it takes to swing the little pendulum.

There really are quite a few devices in Energetic Forum and Energy Science Forum that operating within these parameters and are true free energy over 1.0 cop technologies.

[Duncan]

so, maybe the question needs to be, what mechanisms or devices are the most efficient at converting environmental energy into electricity in a usable quantity?

chainmailman .. usable quatities? they are all of that!
Velacreations .. your question is being answered by people that have seen many Kws harvested In the form of what you term “free energy” research Moray because of “nay sayer's” he demonstrated the antenna method miles from habitation .
Of course the system was far more advanced and tuned and he spent years of research and study before building his systems which were inspected by thousands of academics.
However that's far away from your question and the point of this thread, “one that works “.. you have been given that, go and try it, find that it is so .. and move on, your question has been answered, the thread is effectively redundant.
I agree with all Peter says, all standard antenna practice applies , I was lucky enough to have some porcelain stand off sleeves .. but whatever. If you cant make that simple circuit work and produce then by all means post some pictures of your failure I and many others are here to help.
This is a very simple circuit that has been in use since the 1920s, Its not an “if “or a “may be” .. It works I hope this answers your question ….
efficiency ?? The COP is infinity how efficient do you want? Anyway how long does this evasion and lack of doing anything and changing the question go on? Go get your science teacher and get a balloon cover it in very light tin foil
fill it with hydrogen and let it gently ascend on a gossamer cord of copper wire, preferably during a thunder storm. Make sure he Wraps the copper wire several times around his hand to make sure he doesn't loose the balloon.
(balloons are very precious apart from on this forum where they seem to thrive and prosper).
After he hears thunder claps in the vicinity tell him to tightly grip a copper pipe (or other solid earth) with his teeth.
Your science teacher may experience a tingling sensation be sure to explain to him that it certainly isn't energy that’s making his hair stand on end anyway,it seems he knows that’s impossible doesn't he?
Explain to him Its probably excitement!
I think your Science teacher will be quite surprised at the amount of “free energy” available and the efficient conversion, still you live and learn but perhaps that’s inappropriate here?
I cant speak for anyone else on the forum but from previous experience members are always willing to help . A video of the entire proceedings would be extremely useful . In this way you can help us to help you with your project.
Of course any battery in the vicinity is liable to receive a rapid boost too so perhaps if your science teacher is public spirited he could round up lots of other ignorant uninformed nay sayers Indeed you could PM one or two from this forum In the interests of advancement. and they could form a tight nit circle around him each holding a battery. I'm sure we all look forward to your video (I expect only one) with baited breath. Your Science Teacher will be treading in the footsteps of giants (assuming he has any disbelieving feet left) like Benjamin Franklin .
What school does this science teacher work at? I would think it needs to be avoided! is it one where the education sucks like george says ?
George Carlin on "the American Dream" - YouTube
Franklin not only experienced a few tingles and charged cells he also drove a motor with this “none existent energy”




which was witnessed by Thousands . It would seem your science Teacher has little association with the history of the subject and has done a remarkable job of imparting his wealth of knowledge on to you.
I don’t think Benjamin did the “grip in the teeth test” seems he thought it woodn't work.
Benjamin was one of the founding fathers of America representing a proud nation and its flag I do hope you are not considering that he would miss present Velacreations ? Strange your science teacher hasn't heard of him though.
He surly ranks with other giants who have represented America and her flag with integrity and total honesty guys like Nixon, Clinton,Bush and Oh far too many to mention.
I hope you will be very surprised at the amount of free energy and I'm quite sure you will find the conversion efficiency excellent and the “free power” available. Quite phenomenal, you might find it tickles a bit at first, don’t worry this is just a phase your going through.
Oh and of course Velacreations Dont forget with the help of a video, you can help us to help you! anyway Video's and pictures are always welcome!! and please don’t be dis heartened the balloon method does work keep at it, determination and perseverance that’s the thing!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Oh Duncan

Oh Duncan, don't kill him before he has at least tried some other things, anyone frying tonight

Mike

[velacreations]

yeah, I have been told a solar panel is one that works, as well. So, if I have a choice about stringing several hundred feet of copper to harvest a few microwatts vs putting up a solar panel to harvest a 100 watts, which one do I choose???

Show me a measurement of a usable quantity, Duncan. Have you replicated Moray's devices and produced the claimed power? If so, please share.

Can we make a static electricity motor? Sure. Can we make it perform useful work? that is the real question.

So we hear of how many ways we can all get loads of free energy, except "loads" means microwatts, and to get it means $$$.

That is why the question had to become "what mechanisms or devices are the most efficient at converting environmental energy into electricity in a usable quantity"?

Now, you seem to want to focus on semantics, rather than show us your demonstrations of you producing watts (usable quantity). Why do you mock me, instead of posting your replications with measurements? I want to see your replicated Moray device, come on, man!

This thread is not for discussing politics or mocking anyone, Duncan. I'd appreciate it if you could focus on showing demonstrated devices with proper measurements.

Observation and hearsay without measurement is bad science.

[velacreations]

The Veljko 2 state mechanical oscillator for example amplifies the energy about 5 times. Just add the work input on the small pendulum and then do the work calculations on the big hammer and you see that way more work is being produced than what it takes to swing the little pendulum.

There really are quite a few devices in Energetic Forum and Energy Science Forum that operating within these parameters and are true free energy over 1.0 cop technologies.

Please post links to devices that meet the following criteria:
Replicated several times by others
Produces usable quantity of output
Has been measured and verified of output by independent sources

And preferably post ones that you have personally replicated and measured output.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

First be careful

Whatever be careful, even that 1" spark that shows itself when you are putting the key in the front door could kill you from the knee jerk reaction of your head hitting the door frame. laughs apart, it happened to me several times, but I am still here like a bad egg

Mike

[vrand]

yeah, I have been told a solar panel is one that works, as well. .

Installed China manufactured PV solar panels are now cheaper than what California electric utilities charge home owners per KWH ($0.15 to $0.35/KWH). The payback is less than 5 years. If you plan on staying in your home for more than 5 years, and you have the cash to do it, then china solar panels ($0.65 per watt FOB Long Beach) can not be beat. cheers

[velacreations]

Installed China manufactured PV solar panels are now cheaper than what California electric utilities charge home owners per KWH ($0.15 to $0.35/KWH). The payback is less than 5 years. If you plan on staying in your home for more than 5 years, and you have the cash to do it, then china solar panels ($0.65 per watt FOB Long Beach) can not be beat. cheers

yeah, my home has been powered by solar and wind for over a decade. The system has already paid for itself a few times over.