Primary Flux
The flux field from the primaries occupy a space outside the primaries core so no mater what happens in the secondary, even a dead short, the primaries are not effected in any way, shape or form.
Also the secondaries DO NOT MIMIC the Primaries exactly otherwise we would get a stair step in the secondary in which we will not. there is a slight delay that smooths over the secondary as if the E field is slightly slower then the magnetic field. i do not know what to call this action but it just happens.
Seaad;
Grow up !
and yes we are still waiting for your BS device also. show us your Tinker Toy.
Please stop wasting EVERYONE'S Time with your Mouth as it can't BUILD just RUN. our thread gets 630 views a day and this one 135 to 140 so trust me when i tell you, NO ONE IS COMING HERE TO HEAR YOUR BS OR SEE YOUR DUMB DEVICE.
PLEASE STOP THIS NONSENSE.
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Originally posted by bistander View PostHi Ufo,
Negligible? Maybe. But there are many devices where the excitation is DC with ripple on the magnetics and they design with laminated or ferrite cores.
Same way as in a Home Generator head is build up tough...referring to armature and fields etc...meaning, lots of welding runs (stitches) and bolts-nuts which go across laminations without much care about eddy currents or shorting lamination array.
Originally posted by bistander View PostYou know? It is the same flux in the primary and secondary cores.
And if you get a zero crossing AC in the secondary winding, why don't you think you'll see reversing eddy currents? The eddy is actually like a secondary winding where the conductive core is the single turn "coil" - so to speak.
Sorry but not exactly the same Flux in primary as secondary...secondary flux is a "mix", a fusion from two opposed magnetic polarizations...which generates a repulse field...and so, this formed repulse field is none of the two primaries fields if looking at each independently.
So, for an instance, look at this formed repulse field which is what actually generates Induction at secondary...it moves back and forth, so, this forward-backward movement is what generates this back and forth flux within secondary core and coil.
Now what takes place at each primary is just a field increase-decrease, gets stronger gets weaker...but same field, no reversing of currents nor flux.
Let me put it another way...say we are NOT moving that Repulse Field Back and Forth, like Figuera device does...but a single direction all the time...say a constant rotation movement around a circular coil as secondary (on a Toroid Core maybe?)...we will still get induction at secondary. And so the higher the speed of the repulse field traversing the core...the higher the output.
That's exactly how my Repulse Generator works...
Originally posted by bistander View Post
Brings up an interesting concept. Is your moving flux in the secondary core going to induce extra eddies in the core?
Let's find out.
bi
Hope you understand.
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UfopoliticsLast edited by Ufopolitics; 01-20-2017, 07:17 PM.
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Eddy currents
Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post...
About the Primaries of the Figuera, like you've said, Bistander, they are working with one direction current flow and flux...so Eddies IMO would be negligible there.
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Negligible? Maybe. But there are many devices where the excitation is DC with ripple on the magnetics and they design with laminated or ferrite cores.
Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post...
Related to the Figuera device I would rather consider to make all Secondaries with laminated cores...just because the flow there would be purely AC, therefore, reversing current flow, and a laminated core structure will generate a cleaner output sinewave without much distortion.
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Brings up an interesting concept. Is your moving flux in the secondary core going to induce extra eddies in the core?
Let's find out.
bi
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MM quote: figuera-device-part-g-continuum-serious-builders-only
Keep up the good work guys, it won't be long now.
Was BS'ing around today with nothing to do. just playing around
always worried what OTHER PEOPLE are doing instead of concentrating on their OWN WORK.
YES We*, I are interested and waiting....
PS: * 630 views a dayLast edited by seaad; 01-20-2017, 08:55 PM.
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Ok UFOP You have your opinion/ experience, I have mine. My choice is ferrite and a much higher freq than 60 Hz. / Arne
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About Eddy Currents and Laminated cores...
@Bistander and Seead,
I am sorry but IMHO you guys are paying way too much attention to Eddy Currents...as to laminations "insulation" (Seead)
Lamination Cores in Transformers is clearly understood, as they are based on AC flow, where the creation of all kind of crazy inner magnetic vortexes of different spin directions are generated within core...so, fragmenting the core into laminations would diminish the area of action of such opposite and therefore "parasitic" vortices.
Related to the Figuera device I would rather consider to make all Secondaries with laminated cores...just because the flow there would be purely AC, therefore, reversing current flow, and a laminated core structure will generate a cleaner output sinewave without much distortion.
About the Primaries of the Figuera, like you've said, Bistander, they are working with one direction current flow and flux...so Eddies IMO would be negligible there.
@Seead: Thanks for the REAL builder "title"...However, let me say that there are many builders which are just not showing their work at Thread...for many different reasons...even being shy...or just not speaking fluently the English Language...an example video is shown below:
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpvWTK-fj3s&t=3s[/VIDEO]
About your almost "Surgical Detail" about laminated cores treatment...think that all Transformer Cores have welding stitches running from top to bottom, in order to keep laminations together...as well as in Motors and Generators Rotors and Outer Frames Laminated iron structures also have welding stitching plus steel bolts running across without absolutely any insulation and very tight...meaning, it is really "not that critical" at all...to take so many precautions when dealing with laminated cores...
Regards
UfopoliticsLast edited by Ufopolitics; 01-20-2017, 03:56 PM.
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A tip to the builders on the forbidden thread.
When you reuse old (rusty) transformers laminations and these have been have machined make sure that ALL EDGES of ALL SINGLE LAMINATION plates have been sanded, no sharp edges left. Secure that EACH lamination plate don't make ANY electrical contact to each other. Use/ spray some varnish again. In my experimentation I found this to be essential. And welded transformers are condemnable.
YOU WANT OU, RIGHT!
Bistander; right, the guys over there still think they are dealing with DC only.
UFOP; The REAL Builder, Yeah!
Regards, ArneLast edited by seaad; 01-20-2017, 12:29 PM.
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Eddy currents
Originally posted by marathonman View PostEddies will be nonexistent in the primaries as the only time there will be eddies is at initial power up. other then that primaries do not have eddy current. that is why they are so efficient, no flux reversal.
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MM
The purpose of part G is to change the currents in the primary coils. True, this current does not change direction. Therefore the flux in the primary core(s) does not change direction, but it will continually be changing amplitude. So there will be eddy currents in the primary core(s) and losses associated with those eddy currents.
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bi
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Who cares?
Originally posted by marathonman View Post...
And again i see both of you were on my profile page looking at my pics and info again. so who is blow smoke up who's back side.
NOT ME !
MM
I do remember about a week ago hitting a wrong button while navigating this website using my smart phone. I did in fact notice your profile page loading as the *back* button quickly loaded the previous page. Big deal. Who cares? You I guess. Why? No idea. So what if someone looks at your profile page? Why do you keep track of such things? Are you paranoid? Or vain?
Strange indeed.
bi
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Saturation
Originally posted by marathonman View PostMr What Ever,
So how else do you explain the Erratic behavior of his scope. please enlighten us with you Genius prophecy minus your sarcastic mouth.....PLEASE. !
Can you please try to be a little more cordial and a little less smart mouth as i have invoked nothing on my part.
Test it please as your software will reveal NOTHING as it is dogma programming and does not deal with NN fields.
You ask me for explanations concerning my statements and interpretations but don't give any yourself when I ask. Like how you calculated or otherwise determined saturation?
I think it is obvious that the erratic behavior of his scope traces is due to erratic commutation. He even mentioned that.
To what software do you refer? Did you think I used some program for calculating flux? I used the back of an envelope and calculator. The orientation and proximity of another coil or pole doesn't enter into my calculation. If you think it should, please provide your method to calculate flux density to determine saturation.
Again, please demonstrate your method of determining saturation in his coils/cores.
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bi
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Originally posted by marathonman View Postplease enlighten us with you Genius prophecy minus your sarcastic mouth.....PLEASE. !Last edited by bistander; 01-10-2017, 03:50 PM.
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Really
Mr What Ever,
So how else do you explain the Erratic behavior of his scope. please enlighten us with you Genius prophecy minus your sarcastic mouth.....PLEASE. !
Can you please try to be a little more cordial and a little less smart mouth as i have invoked nothing on my part.
Test it please as your software will reveal NOTHING as it is dogma programming and does not deal with NN fields.
Hanon;
as i said you are a waste of ANYONE's time.
And again i see both of you were on my profile page looking at my pics and info again. so who is blow smoke up who's back side.
NOT ME !
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More insults...then I can not leave
Originally posted by marathonman View PostFirst of all Doug i was not arguing with this fool
Originally posted by marathonman View Postyou are not worth my time nor anyone else's.
Good luck to All.Last edited by hanon1492; 01-10-2017, 02:51 PM.
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Magnetic expert - not
Originally posted by marathonman View Post
Bistander;
I still won't work, any metal near the secondary with a fast path to the primary will siphon off so much that you won't get a reasonable output. even the pressure between the primaries will be hard to maintain as nearly all flux will be diverted through the half E.
test it for yourself please !
MM
I'll test it when I can be assured that the Figuera device operates as self powered O.U. energy source. At that time I'll either buy one or build one. But as of this date, I have seen no evidence that it will meet my minimum criteria.
As to your opinions of the magnetics involved with my idea of use of E-core to improve the magnetic circuit, they don't mean much to me. I don't think you know what you're talking about. I base this on past posts from you regarding magnetics. Most recently, one from the other thread. See below:
Originally posted by marathonman View PostUFOP;
The reason you are getting erratic behavior is what we talked about on the other thread about a week or so ago. your primaries and secondaries are completely saturated. try dialing down on the voltage and amperage to a small amount then work your way up. this was also verified from Doug as to the cause.
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MM
So what gives with your statement that cores were "completely saturated"? If you care to list your calculations, perhaps we can find the error. Or was your statement sarcastic again?
Just keep on giving your followers advice. Someday you're bound to get something right.
Regards,
bi
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Hold the phone
First of all Doug i was not arguing with this fool, i simply brought up the FACT the info he tried to claim as his was NOT HIS TO CLAIM.
Second, what is with you?? you suddenly pop your head up out of the blue, scold us, then disappear. wow that was real helpful. i say BS.
thanks pal, what are friends for when you could of been on the continuum all along with no arguing but i guess me trying to find the right people that would listen to you wasn't enough.
HONON; you are not worth my time nor anyone else's.
Bistander;
I still won't work, any metal near the secondary with a fast path to the primary will siphon off so much that you won't get a reasonable output. even the pressure between the primaries will be hard to maintain as nearly all flux will be diverted through the half E.
test it for yourself please !
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E-core backiron
Originally posted by bistander View PostHi hanon,
The tube you show is not what I had in mind with E-core. I'll try to get a diagram with better explanation.
And added an E-core:
Yeah, I know. Not too good with the graphics. But hopefully you can get the idea. I think to use just one section of E-core lamination stack where the cross sectional area is equal to that of the core thru the coils. This way, all the flux from each end of the core thru the coils can go thru the backiron (E-core) to the center leg and there downward thru the seconday coil turns into its core and complete its circuit. The flux lines would cut the secondary conductors at quadrature like I've been telling Ufo they do in generators. The void areas in the E-core (shown in white) represent high reluctance paths and will direct maximum flux where you want it; crossing the secondary coil.
Just an idea. Use it or lose it.
bi
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