Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera

[bistander]

Reply to Ufo

Ha,ha,ha,ha...And I have not included on my conversation with you the word "conspiracy" at all...

Hi Ufo,

Back on your post #1771:

Oh!..No, No...there is no such Conspiration at all...lol

But is off topic here. Sorry I mentioned it again.

I was wrong when I wrote "Magnitude" related to the Field as cited in Faraday's Laws, sorry, my bad...

Good you realize this. But then how can you go on to say this?

However, we all know that the Field Magnitude is also proportional to the EMF result. Meaning, there is a "point" in the field strength scale where there would not be any EMF output, no matter how much that change rate increases.

"we all know that" ? I'm sorry but I don't know. I don't think what you say is correct but it is difficult to understand its meaning. Can you cite a source or give an example?

Regards,

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Allcanadian, I am the first to admit that any thing i build or know is based on someone else s findings or work, however, i will soon be winding my primary coils for this device.

If you have knowledge of how Mr Figuera, wound his primary coils could you please share for the common good.

Regards Cornboy.

Hello Cornboy,

Just trying to go over what AC wrote...the only Two Inventors mentioned on Figuera's Patent (1908) were Pixii and Clarke.

And so, if we perform a "quick search" on these two primitive machines...we found out there is not even a basic explanation about how coils were wound on them both...

Difference from both machines is basically the way rotation and gears take place geometrically...same "U" Magnet and two coils...Pixii rotates the Magnet...Clarke rotates the Coils...same principle..."different color"...

Figuera mentions these two machines as the more basic forms of generation of electricity in our history...and so up to now...where there is always have been a need for a mechanical movement of either one of the parts involved...is called "Prior Art" on a basic and "legal" method of a Patent Structure.

Where His Machine brakes all existing mechanical requirements known since primitive to contemporary art...

Anyways...this is just my take on this...


Regards friend.



Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

That is the magnitude of emf, not of the magnetic field or magnetic flux.

Hello Bistander,

Yes, I understand that perfectly well.

The EMF Magnitude (as a result product) is proportional to the rate of change of the Magnetic Field.

I was wrong when I wrote "Magnitude" related to the Field as cited in Faraday's Laws, sorry, my bad...However, we all know that the Field Magnitude is also proportional to the EMF result. Meaning, there is a "point" in the field strength scale where there would not be any EMF output, no matter how much that change rate increases.

I was not "specifically" referring to Figuera's Patent either. I still don't understand. I'll tell you it is not a conspiracy.

Ha,ha,ha,ha...And I have not included on my conversation with you the word "conspiracy" at all...

What is this?...a "Non Including" discussion contest?

Any physicist, scientist, or engineer who sees the faintest glimer of excess energy or OU will be all over it in a heartbeat.

Negative...Any Scientist or Engineer of enough reputation in the "Social or Royal Science Elite" would be very much afraid and hesitating to just walk out the door and start sharing his findings worldwide...precisely because of those "OU Laws Limitations" which you mentioned below...and that definitively would completely destroy his reputation as a Scientist.

This Laws have created a very strict and very well enforced line, which not really "any Scientist" out there would just cross that easy...or will be automatically set in the ridicule, plus all personal losses involved.

But the big obstacle is that OU violates some basic principles or laws of physics.

There You go!...that "big obstacle" is exactly what I was referring prior.

And the funny thing is that those "Limiting Ancient Laws" were written to define and understand the behavior of Hydraulics and Steam Engines respectively back then. None of them refers directly to Electromagnetism, they were ALL started -by men- before even Faraday was born (referring to the ancient beginnings of these laws "essence/spirit", except for the contemporary "patches" done to them, to keep them refreshed and very generally-legally written as for the Centuries and New Generations to come, believe in them like a fanatic to a God...amen ).

Point is...All these Laws were written regardless and completely ignoring the way Nature and Universal Laws really works...

So to get serious research (read money) some extraordinary proof or evidence is needed.

So according to our discussion here...do not expect this "Extraordinary Proof" or "Evidence" to be coming anytime soon and directly from the "Royal Scientific Society Elite"...but as All Canadian wrote above...from a very small, and limited source of research and development of a totally unknown source (meaning not popular) "Elite of Underground Garage Researchers"...

I still believe for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So I fully expect when you do succeed in getting output power from your Y coil, you'll find you have an input power larger than that. But prove me wrong, please.

bi

Figuera's Patent is not "perfect" as it also have many loose ends...what I use from Figuera is the basic explanation of his machine...which could be modified the way we feel it should be improved and still perform as expected, or better, by adapting it to our times technological developments advancements.

For example, Figuera was using a "Second Commutator" adding more drag to the single small motor described on 1908 Patent...just to convert the Induced Output Sine back to DC to self sustain machine...and now we just need some efficient diodes which use minimal energy and does not add mechanical drag. Same way we could use a very small board loaded with tiny electronic components and mimic the same exact primaries waveform...for even less energy spent that small motor and brush...and so on and on...

Another drawback I find in Figuera's design...is to move the Inducing Field(s) in a "Reciprocating and Linear Fashion"...which diverges from the conventional methods of Home and Industrial Electrical Generation. The limitation here is related to the Field Spatial Range and its traveling path which is very restricted to the length and width of the induced core...in other words...the same basic idea but applied to a Rotational "Mimicking" of the converge-diverge fields through time would be a wider range of core induction coverage...therefore, way more efficient.

Resuming here...there are many ways to improve Figuera's Design...but only once we could see there is a potential and basic, single design which works and "brake" some Ancient Laws...then it is just a matter of "reproducing modules"...


There is nothing more exciting for me in this whole world...as to prove you wrong...just because it is nothing "personal" about you...but the whole "Dogmatic Scientific Establishment" behind your beliefs...as of billions of others "Bistanders".


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Cornboy 555]

Hello Allcanadian, I am the first to admit that any thing i build or know is based on someone else s findings or work, however, i will soon be winding my primary coils for this device.

If you have knowledge of how Mr Figuera, wound his primary coils could you please share for the common good.

Regards Cornboy.

[Allcanadian]

@bistander

I was not "specifically" referring to Figuera's Patent either. I still don't understand. I'll tell you it is not a conspiracy.

Your not understanding isn't a conspiracy?... I believe you.

It's okay UFO doesn't understand either however if he keeps this up he may in the future. I liked the parallel winding's comment however this is not how Figuera wound his primaries. Figuera indirectly mentions how he wound his coils by referencing another inventor which is where he got his idea from in the first place.

I'm actually amazed MM mentioned parallel winding's however who MM got the idea from remains a mystery. Therein lies the trick, everyone including myself borrows from others and as Einstein said- "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources". We all do it, we just don't tell anyone.

But the big obstacle is that OU violates some basic principles or laws of physics.

It's not a big obstacle unless you wholeheartedly believe it's true... then why bother?.

So to get serious research (read money) some extraordinary proof or evidence is needed. I still believe for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So I fully expect when you do succeed in getting output power from your Y coil, you'll find you have an input power larger than that. But prove me wrong, please.

There is always an equal and opposite reaction... the question is how many actions do you have occurring, to what extent and how does this effect the reaction. As well you do not need money to conduct serious research you only need to be serious about your research. Some of our greatest discoveries were made by candle light in a room smaller than my garage. Serious research is about putting all the things you think you know aside and concentrating on finding answers to what you do not know.

The trick here is thinking of something peculiar and asking yourself...what would happen?. If you do not know your on the right track and you should probably find out what would happen. This is how we learn, reading a book is not learning reading a book is memorizing what someone else has learned.

AC

[bistander]

Output power

Ahh, I was just speaking about output power, from the secondary or part Y. Then I see this MM post on the other thread.

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one thing people need to remember is what ever power requirements your secondary is set at your primaries split the difference....ie each is responsible for half the induction required from the secondary output.

How does one set the power requirements of the secondary? He says split the difference. Difference between what?

...
I just love how those Classic trained nutz twist things and add what ever they want to redirect from the real cause of lack of understanding on their part. that is the end of my attempt to inform and will concentrate on this thread ONLY. what ever possessed me to want to try in the first place i have no idea.

MM

So I guess MM won't be answering my posts with insults. That's good.

[bistander]

Reply to Ufo

I was referring to "Magnitude" as it is recited on Faraday's Second Law of Induction:

That is the magnitude of emf, not of the magnetic field or magnetic flux.

Bistander, my question was not "specifically" referring to Figuera's Patent...but to Figuera's thinking about that "Scientific Fact"...remember?

In other words...:

Why Science related to Magnetism and Human Race Advancement, basically on the Energy Field...have not dedicated to deeply study that Scientific Fact?

The Scientific Fact that just takes a Magnetic Phantom Field Movement to generate an Induced EMF?

(used the word "Phantom" as not to write again "Virtual" or " Non Physical", as well as massless, weightless, invisible Field, etc...I am getting tired of the same recitation over and over...may use "Spirit" as well)

You and Citfta have admitted that "any change" on the Field would cause an EMF...and so...almost 200 years have gone by...and we are still depending upon moving tons of iron rotors and copper wire to make Energy, achieved by the Herculean Farting Machines...?

It is a fact, admitted by You and Citfta, that by just the movement, the Fluctuation, or "generally speaking" the change of this Phantom Field, while all components are Static...generates an EMF.

Do you understand the question now?

I was not "specifically" referring to Figuera's Patent either. I still don't understand. I'll tell you it is not a conspiracy. Any physicist, scientist, or engineer who sees the faintest glimer of excess energy or OU will be all over it in a heartbeat. But the big obstacle is that OU violates some basic principles or laws of physics. So to get serious research (read money) some extraordinary proof or evidence is needed. I still believe for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So I fully expect when you do succeed in getting output power from your Y coil, you'll find you have an input power larger than that. But prove me wrong, please.

bi

[Ufopolitics]

Hi Ufo,

You are correct that the increase in impedance does restrict the current flow. And yes no matter how many amps are available they cannot enter the circuit.

There are 3 ways you can overcome this problem. The first way is of course to just reduce the speed of the brush which will of course lower the frequency. Since you want an output of 60 hz this is not a good option. Another way is to lower the inductance of the part G. This will allow you to operate at a higher frequency with lower impedance. You can either reduce the number of turns on part G or remove some of the core material by using less ferrite material by using only 2 ferrite rings instead of 3 or what ever way you can find to do that.

Another thing you can do as you surmised is to raise the voltage as you increase the frequency. This will of course increase your power input requirement some but remember you are only increasing it enough to get the current to the level you need. The increased impedance at the higher frequency is still going to limit the amount of current so the current is not going to go any higher that what you allow by the amount of voltage you apply.

Sorry for the slow response but I was out of town all day yesterday.

Hope this info helps a little.

Regards,
Carroll

Hello Citfta,

I re-quoted your previous post, since by doing the resistors testing again, I also obtained (yes in past) the same response...meaning the field fluctuations decay at higher speeds...meaning we can rule out of here Part G as the main cause.

I like to do that...replace components and see what I get...it is a simple method of repairing equipment...

However...I am not getting it any more...I resolve it by using MM method to wind Primaries with parallel layers, starting at the front of core CW (would be my positive) and making three layers all the same way, getting a North up front...Now as I accelerate fluctuations and field deflection angle grow higher, and that is EXACTLY the way it is supposed to be.

I also replaced a bad 1.5 ohms resistor (burnt) on my linear PSU control board (the only board on that PSU, the rest are just big Transformers, Capacitors and Diodes...) Now it dials very smooth...

Primaries nor resistors heat at all...no sparks...very nice and strong field growing as I speed up...

What I HIGHLY recommend when doing this test...is to first get rotary switch running (Not necessarily at full speed) before applying any power to the exciter system.

I believe I am having a better "picture" of this whole thing...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Ufo,

#3 is incorrect. Field strength without a change in the environment of the flux thru or cutting the coil or conducter induces no emf.


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Hello Bistander,


I was referring to "Magnitude" as it is recited on Faraday's Second Law of Induction:

First Law of Electromagnetic Induction

An electromotive force is induced in a conductor when the magnetic field surrounding it changes.


Second Law of Electromagnetic Induction

The magnitude of the electromotive force is proportional to the rate of change of the field.


Third Law of Electromagnetic Induction

The sense of the induced electromotive force depends on the direction of the rate of the change of the

field.

I have posted this on the Enlightening Magnetism Thread

Also, I don't understand your question to me. Are you asking why haven't classical scientists pursued Figuera's method. An obvious answer comes to mind. Never has it been demonstrated or supported with analysis using scientific method. Up to now, and even now, it is all talk of which most contain glaring inaccuracies and falsehoods.

Just speculating

bi

Bistander, my question was not "specifically" referring to Figuera's Patent...but to Figuera's thinking about that "Scientific Fact"...remember?

In other words...:

Why Science related to Magnetism and Human Race Advancement, basically on the Energy Field...have not dedicated to deeply study that Scientific Fact?

The Scientific Fact that just takes a Magnetic Phantom Field Movement to generate an Induced EMF?

(used the word "Phantom" as not to write again "Virtual" or " Non Physical", as well as massless, weightless, invisible Field, etc...I am getting tired of the same recitation over and over...may use "Spirit" as well)

You and Citfta have admitted that "any change" on the Field would cause an EMF...and so...almost 200 years have gone by...and we are still depending upon moving tons of iron rotors and copper wire to make Energy, achieved by the Herculean Farting Machines...?

It is a fact, admitted by You and Citfta, that by just the movement, the Fluctuation, or "generally speaking" the change of this Phantom Field, while all components are Static...generates an EMF.

Do you understand the question now?


Take care


Ufopolitics

[seaad]

Thanks Arne,
From reading post by Doug it is obvious that he has misconceptions about magnetic influence of flat wire although he doesn't mention inductance.
bi

Exact! How about the/ a magnetic field then? I don't know such. I have to do some tests and let mother nature help me out.
Regards Arne A

P.S Just saying: REEL How important? And PROPERLY PLACED?

[bistander]

I have pics today: First two a toroid G-part with CW and CCW windings on. With is functional. That is still a continuous winding!

The other two pics shows another type mentioned by Doug.

And I found a thread from Doug1 describing flat wire (last part). Maybe it is from this MM got his ideas about flat wires?

Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Regards Arne

Thanks Arne,

Yes, if you recall I proposed the half CW half CCW winding on the toroid when you and I discovered the continuous (in one direction) winding had serious issues. This is what I was trying to find out. Did Doug use something like this or otherwise different? It would be so nice to get factual information from MM or Doug. They talk about teamwork but fail to follow through.

From reading post by Doug it is obvious that he has misconceptions about magnetic influence of flat wire although he doesn't mention inductance. MM had all the inductance related reasons concerning flat wire backwards. For the size and power level we're dealing with at this time, flat wire is not helpful.

Regards,

bi

[seaad]

G-part again

I have pics today: First two a toroid G-part with CW and CCW windings on. With is functional. That is still a continuous winding!

The other two pics shows another type mentioned by Doug.

And I found a thread from Doug1 describing flat wire (last part). Maybe it is from this MM got his ideas about flat wires?

Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Regards Arne

[bistander]

Another insult

I tried to explain Many, many things to you people

No, you do not address my questions. You rant, preach, insult, belittle and avoid any reasonable discussion or exchange of ideas or facts. Explaining something which is on topic is a foreign concept to you.

I insulted no one

Insults are better defined by the recipient. I took your comment as an insult.

what a bunch of fools

I also take that as an insult.

I read you recent manifesto on the forbidden thread. You make yourself out to be a messenger or prophet sent to save the lowly human race by means of delivering the almighty Figuera idol. All need to bow down and follow unquestioningly your writings. Only those true believers chosen and blessed by you shall be allowed to enter word into the forbidden thread else they be stricken down by the angel of admin.

Do you think Mr. Figuera would approve of your command and guidance of this cult bearing his name? You could do so much better if you only understood fundamentals of electricity and magnetism. Composition, grammar and spelling wouldn't hurt either.

Regards,

bi

[marathonman]

Your wrong

I insulted no one but only like the guy that does fly by's and says nothing, slickdick. so when you figure out what he is then you will know.

I tried to explain Many, many things to you people but you have your head to far up Dogma's back side to listen and are completely closed minded.

Good cifta does that mean your going to finally shut your big closed minded, i'm stuck in a box trap.

you people are a total waste of everyone's time and i will not try explain crap to you any more.

what a bunch of fools running your mouth with no build. what did you people EVER build.....NOTHING.

show us your build cifta, bistander.... tha'ts right you don't have ANY build but the foam on your lips from running it 24-7 since i started sharing.

You people on this thread are pathetic.

From a member on this forum;

"Citfta and Bistander are way too much blocked by all this classic BS...to the point it really blocks their power of deep analysis which needs to go beyond...but unfortunately there are many, I mean many Citftas and Bistanders all over our planet."

and this is the general feeling of most that pm me and i get a lot of pm's.


See ya ! i'm done esplanin lucy.

MM

[citfta]

The only reason to answer a person with insults is because a person is incapable of actually having a technical discussion. And denying clear evidence of something is a form of delusion. My last post for a project that has no hope of succeeding with such inept leadership. I will not waste any more time trying to correct all the mistaken ideas being presented here.