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  • Ufopolitics
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    Guys...

    Remember diagram...

    The 8 comm elements above are jumped to the 8 below
    ..So, in HALF Revolution (180 degrees) brush does N & S sets simultaneously...say N expands and S retracts.
    And then in the next HALF Cycle, the opposite takes place, meaning, N retracts and S expands.

    Concluding that in a FULL Cycle (360 deg) each set does TWO Stages, one expand-one retract.


    Regards to all


    Ufopolitics
    Last edited by Ufopolitics; 06-03-2017, 03:42 AM.

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  • Elcheapo
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    bistander;

    Yes, but you are referring to the pulsing of both coils and I am using the one
    coil to keep it simpler. Both coils have to be pulsed in unison.
    Coil A with 8 pulses going up and coil B with 8 pulses going down.
    So at this point both coils have gone through a half cycle. Then we need one
    more revolution of the device to complete these 2 cycles.
    Coil A with 8 pulses going down and Coil B with 8 pulses going up.
    He had to use 2 revolutions for only 1 cycle because you just can't reverse
    the small motor to get the other half of the cycle.

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  • bistander
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    Originally posted by Elcheapo View Post
    ...

    He chopped dc into 8 different pulses of varying amplitude. Each pulse is one cycle, a cycle being
    a low, a high and another low. So 8 of these up pulses required 1 turn of the G device.
    To complete the cycle, an extra turn was required for the 8 down pulses. So 2 turns on G is required
    to complete one cycle. So 3600/2 = 1800. 1800/60 = 30hz. That's a pretty low frequency for coils to work with.
    The way I recall the diagram of partG on the patent was that it would do both the steps-up and steps-down on a single revolution of the brush. So: A complete electrical cycle per mechanical revolution. RPM / 60 = frequency (in Hz).

    bi

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  • Elcheapo
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    frequency

    marathonman;

    Ok and glad we can agree on some things. I'm just a little skeptical on your energy recycling system.
    But I guess time will tell whether it works or not.

    The reason I believe that the energy comes from the environment is that Buforn says
    in comes from the atmosphere, Cater says that energy permeates the whole of the universe.
    Bearden,Smith,Kapanadze,etc. all say the same thing. Plus, millions of volts of lightning
    come right from the air. And that little magnet on your fridge needs energy to support itself.
    Again, energy right out of the air.

    So we should just leave it at that and carry on with our own theories.

    One area that no one seems to want to discuss is the frequency that Figueras used.
    You are the more experienced when it comes to the G system and how fast it can be turned.
    So would just like your thoughts on this.
    Most people would say that if the thing was rotated at 3600rpm then frequency would be 60hz.

    Let's assume this was the speed he used:
    He chopped dc into 8 different pulses of varying amplitude. Each pulse is one cycle, a cycle being
    a low, a high and another low. So 8 of these up pulses required 1 turn of the G device.
    To complete the cycle, an extra turn was required for the 8 down pulses. So 2 turns on G is required
    to complete one cycle. So 3600/2 = 1800. 1800/60 = 30hz. That's a pretty low frequency for coils to work
    with.

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  • marathonman
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    Terminology

    I agree Elcheapo, the terms primary and secondary could quite be adding confusion into the mix.
    inducer and induced coils would work along with solenoid coils. also the term inductor is blowing peoples mind as this is not the regular way an inductor is used. we could start calling it for it's original name of reactor and there for we are altering the self inductance of the reactor as the brush rotates to vary the voltage and or currant of the inducers/solenoid.

    you are correct about the inductive reactance but i would not say we are using pulsed DC.
    I to have my coils wired to get a good field with little amps, i think around two amps.

    and again you are correct as the rule is exactly that applies here. if you take your inducer/solenoid down to far you will loose the magnetic field Pressure between the two and induction will fall to the rising inducer which is 50 % reduction in output. that is the reason Figuera chose a reactor with a brush because the two opposing N-N fields in the reactor will allow the coil wound around the reactor core to act as two separate variable currant/voltage controllers in complete unison.

    ALSO.....

    repost from other thread...

    When half of part G lets say to set S is decreasing (brush rotation), energy is being released from the magnetic field in to the system feeding the increasing set N while the other half set N is storing energy in the magnetic field (brush rotation) to feed set S the next half turn. each cycle feeds the next high primary but since no system built by man is lossless the input from the secondary is needed to replace losses from heat, wire and core losses which doesn't amount to much since currant requirements will drop once the system is up and running. once running the original power supply can be removed and the secondary will replace the little losses as needed.
    thus the energy is in fact recycled over and over only to replace what is lost.

    MM
    Last edited by marathonman; 06-01-2017, 10:48 PM.

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  • Elcheapo
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    basic stuff

    Guys;
    This device has NO primaries or secondaries. These are terms used for transformers.
    We are not building transformers here. We are using 2 solenoid coils and 1 induced coil.
    That coil being induced ONLY by a fluctuating magnetic field and no communication whatever with the solenoids.
    Let's concentrate on some of the basic problems with this thing.
    I think we all agree that we need a strongly varying magnetic field for the thing to work.

    It's the amp-turns that determines the strength of this field. We also want to use as little
    input power as possible to get this field. We can get the same field strength from a coil of 400
    turns and 4 amps as from a 200 turn coil using 8 amps. But some will say "Yah but what about inductive
    reactance, Won't a large turn coil cut into the current?"

    Well inductive reactance only shows up on ac current that keeps reversing in direction. We will
    be driving our coils with pulsed dc that never changes direction and varies within a limited voltage range.

    There is a point on the BH curve where just a small increase in amp-turns gets a big increase in
    magnetic flux. We should all be experimenting to find this sweet spot.
    This is the area that our solenoid coils should be working in. For example:
    Use just enough voltage to get the coil current into this sweet spot and then just as little of
    voltage as possible to get out of the sweet spot.That way we get maximum magnetic fluctuation with
    a small change in voltage. That small voltage change will also reduce any tendency for BEMF.

    It was MM who pointed out in his rules"at no time is the primaries reduced to below half way and NEVER ZERO"
    I think that rule applies here.

    Ok, let's hear from the naysayers.

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  • marathonman
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    Lost me

    I agree with Bistander, the cap is just for smoothing purposes but will discharge when unit is shut off only to be filled again when started to aide in the dips of transition.
    exciter fields are DC and on all the time but take little to excite them.
    of course the bridge rectifier is part of the AVR unit.

    as for the sine wave, yes that hits Zero when in transition from the positive to the negative cycle. there will be zero volts if thats what you are talking about. other than that you lost me.

    Elcheapo;
    This is exactly what i have been saying since the beginning. the amount of flux from the two primaries add up to the output of the secondary at all times no mater if it is high or low or even, it will always add up to the amount required for your output you desired, and of course in complete unison or the output will drop to the peak of the high primary which is about 50% of it's output capability.

    MM
    Last edited by marathonman; 05-31-2017, 09:12 PM.

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  • Ufopolitics
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    Originally posted by bistander View Post
    Hi Ufo,



    The cap is primarily a filter on the bridge rectifier plus aiding the establishment of residual if needed.



    Maybe just difference in terminology, but the field (rotor) runs at a steady DC from the bridge and cap. Didn't you take the current and voltage a while back. What you get is a steady N pole on the rotor (field) sweeping the armature coils (in the stator slots) followed by the S pole on the rotor. This induces (generates) AC in the armature (stator winding). I'm at a loss as to what is charging and discharging at 90.

    Regards,

    bi
    Hi Bistander,

    Again here we are on same topic....

    Cap does not retain even a Microvolt.
    .after generator has stopped. It actually drains out to the heavy 65 plus ohms of the fine wire from rotor coil via brushes.

    I condicted this readings on a NO LOAD condition.

    If exciter is running ON full time why not get a more capacitance cap?..because.it wont work...

    Discharge of the flux induction to secpndaries as requested by LOAD.


    Regards...sorry on my cel


    Ufo

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  • bistander
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    Standard generator

    Hi Ufo,

    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    ...

    Look at a Rotary Generator Exciter System...the Cap is only from 200 to 300 mfd or even lower capacitance...why?...why not make it larger?...just because these exciting fields process is based on Flash Discharges at the right timing to Secondaries, and at exactly 90 it recharges back again...to then "repeat process"...and so actually this discharge-charge takes place every 90 degrees, so, in 360 (full cycle) it does "Four Tempos", Two Charges and Two discharges.
    ...
    The cap is primarily a filter on the bridge rectifier plus aiding the establishment of residual if needed.

    {edit}


    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    ...

    Once I also thought that the Exciting Fields were ON AT ALL TIME during Rotation...but this is completely false...it is a process of Charge-Discharge separated by 90 degrees in a Single Phase Home Genny.
    ...
    Maybe just difference in terminology, but the field (rotor) runs at a steady DC from the bridge and cap. Didn't you take the current and voltage a while back. What you get is a steady N pole on the rotor (field) sweeping the armature coils (in the stator slots) followed by the S pole on the rotor. This induces (generates) AC in the armature (stator winding). I'm at a loss as to what is charging and discharging at 90.

    Regards,

    bi
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  • Ufopolitics
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    I forgot to mention that this Charge-Discharge Process only takes place when Generator is LOADED.

    For NO-LOAD conditions secondaries are not being discharged, therefore, Exciter remains Charged.

    This is it Guys...all the rest is your capability of INVENTION and DEVELOPMENT.


    Regards


    Ufopolitics

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  • Ufopolitics
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    Excellent Post!!

    Originally posted by jegz View Post
    Agreed! especially point 1..proof is in the common petrol generator that needs to be cranked by hand....the weak residual magnetic fields are sufficient to induce current that in turn excites the stator windings with a slightly stronger field and this cycle continues to snowball until the point where thee is sufficient power for a load.

    Hi Jegz,

    That above post has been the BEST reasoning I have read in a while...

    And it goes even further...

    This residual Magnetism is ENOUGH to reach its peak CHARGE-DISCHARGE RATIO, once the 60 Hertz or 3600 RPM's are obtained.

    Obviously in just a few minutes of running time at FULL SPEED it will be ready to take a load from Secondaries.

    Once I also thought that the Exciting Fields were ON AT ALL TIME during Rotation...but this is completely false...it is a process of Charge-Discharge separated by 90 degrees in a Single Phase Home Genny.

    And this Charge-Discharge Process applies to Brushed and Brushless Home Generators.

    This is VERY IMPORTANT to know...when we apply it to our Static Systems.


    Regards


    Ufopolitics
    Last edited by Ufopolitics; 05-30-2017, 12:54 PM.

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  • Ufopolitics
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    Why not "brake off" from the Rotary Structure?

    Hello All,

    I do not agree with Secondary Air Cores...

    Secondaries Coils are dedicated just to COLLECT all the Magnetism from Exciting Coils, and having Iron Cores will definitively AMPLIFY this Induction.

    This Magnetism Force from Exciters should only be a "FLASH" or a Wang-Bang (thank You Ma'm...) and done deal, to then REPEAT again, just like a Generator does.

    Setting Secondaries at 90 to Exciter's is not gonna induce nada...absolutely nothing, I have already tested that option before.

    Air Gaps?...why?...we no longer have a Rotary System?...then why "preserve" such structure?

    Figuera is great, but he is still bound (on his 1908 patent) to a rotary system config, but static..which he don't need to.

    Also, having at all times currents from source feeding primaries is not required either, and is a HUGE LOSS, we just need Electro Magnetic Pulses which FLASH-CHARGE Secondaries, so that the more we pulse the closer this charges are between them...so, the more Robust and higher continuous output.

    Look at a Rotary Generator Exciter System...the Cap is only from 200 to 300 mfd or even lower capacitance...why?...why not make it larger?...just because these exciting fields process is based on Flash Discharges at the right timing to Secondaries, and at exactly 90 it recharges back again...to then "repeat process"...and so actually this discharge-charge takes place every 90 degrees, so, in 360 (full cycle) it does "Four Tempos", Two Charges and Two discharges.

    Besides all of the above...side Induction (face to face) through an air gap is part of a rotary structure...and this form of Induction carries too many losses and is much weaker...that is why it is required (in Figuera) Two Exciters with just one secondary sandwiched between...IMHO, this is too much energy spent in the Exciter System, to just induce one single primary.

    Those above were just my opinions...You Guys do whatever you feel is best to your set up...


    Regards


    Ufopolitics
    Last edited by Ufopolitics; 05-30-2017, 12:55 PM.

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  • Elcheapo
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    More to think about

    I have to agree with Marxist in that the secondary coils be just air-core.
    The 1908 patent uses 4 secondaries and the spacing between the 4 polepieces looks to be quite small.
    From the picture, it looks like the cores are closed ( for much less reluctance)
    I dont think straight open cores will work.

    I seem to think that the secondaries should be wound perpendicular
    to that of the solenoid coils. They would have to be quite narrow and sandwiched in between the 2 pole pieces.The solenoid cores should have as large a perimeter as possible with the secondary coils of the same perimeter right in the middle of this changing magnetic field.

    This would cancel any transformer effect by not getting any emf inducement from the solenoid coils. We only want the secondary coil to PRODUCE free energy, and not take it from the circuit.
    The main important thing that people seem to ignore, is that when current in coil A is going up, then current in coil B should go down by the same amount. (in unison)
    The key is "SAME AMOUNT".
    Well you can't just use a bunch of 1 or 2 ohm resistors and expect results.
    I think Figueras had his 8 resistors custom made to suit the purpose.
    The purpose being able to mitigate the Lenz effect with his 2 uniquely positioned solenoids.
    As an example:
    IF Coil A is pulsed at 8 amps & coil B at 4 amps, then next G position would be A= 5: B=7: etc.. The sum of A and B always has to be exactly the same. In this case it is 12 amps.
    So the source current (as well as source voltage) is always constant.No change means no bemf. And yes, there is mention of a constant current by Figueras.
    He was a very smart man!

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  • marathonman
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    Figuera Device

    Good points are brought up.
    The Figuera device has no residual magnetic field to operate off of so the field must be created each time the device is operated. once the field is established it will operate as does a regular gen a side from the fact that the Figuera device only pushes the weightless massless field side to side so the initial currant draw will drop once the field is established.

    Dougs squirrel cage description was the greatest when describing the function of the Figuera device. once the secondary field is set up the primaries have no problem in pushing the field from side to side. the attraction of a standard geny will surpass the output by a considerable amount as the drag increases as the load increases.

    the input for both to create the field is actually considerably small compared to the output if not for the drag on a standard gen unlike the Figuera device which has none.

    Good Memorial day Gentleman, please remember us vets in a moment of silence and a good prayer.

    MM
    Last edited by marathonman; 05-29-2017, 04:07 PM.

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  • boguslaw
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    Originally posted by jegz View Post
    Agreed! especially point 1..proof is in the common petrol generator that needs to be cranked by hand....the weak residual magnetic fields are sufficient to induce current that in turn excites the stator windings with a slightly stronger field and this cycle continues to snowball until the point where thee is sufficient power for a load.
    Yes, and that is the secret knowledge known by elite who do not like to trow away big energy business. It is known probably from the beginning (Daniel McFarland Cook had device in 1872) .
    And Hubbard was able to use only initial impulse to generate excess energy of really commercial value. 13 MW of continuous power for Hubbard device just a 5 meters long.
    I really do not understand how this is overlooked by academic science.

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