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  • Traductor...

    Hola:

    Perdona Ufo, es cierto, quizás me he precipitado pero he creído que esto podía confirmar tus experiencias, de todas formas comprobaré también con fuente externa, no obstante por si quieres comprobarlo, alimentando con baterías y teniendo todo en marcha sin carga en la inducida, mis baterías aumentan su voltaje, aunque no tengo colocados diodos.

    MI parte G está hecha con hilo nicrom (barbacoa... ) 25 ohm y primarias de 2,3 ohm, pero también tengo otro con toroide de fleje de hierro de 45 vueltas de hilo de 1,2 milimetros, aunque en este caso el consumo se dispara hasta los 13 Amp.

    Gracias por tu gran aportación al generador Figuera.

    Saludos
    Last edited by Matu; 01-03-2017, 07:45 PM.

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    • Resistors and Diodes Test Video...

      Hello to All,

      And like I have promised before the short video on the testing...

      [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51Pi-VTlfA&feature=youtu.be[/VIDEO]

      RESISTORS TEST WITH DIODES

      And we have to understand the current flow is going at two different and opposite roads as passing through different resistance values, so it is understood amperage would fluctuate as well, I mean, that´s the point here.

      What I find interesting is that at Low speeds amperage climbs up...as it does at very high speeds as well...as I show close to video's end...and like I said on video, it may be a failure from PSU, on its read out screen by being fooled by so fast changing currents directions plus stepping through different resistors values...PSU Signal Processor can not keep up with signals...but honestly can not tell for sure what´s going on here but speculation.

      As when I put an Incandescent Bulb at output, Input nor motor speed change not even a bit...which is absolutely great...

      I am definitively going to finish building another set or maybe two more, then connecting in series to this one...primaries and secondaries...and testing again...


      Regards


      Ufopolitics
      Last edited by Ufopolitics; 01-03-2017, 09:57 PM.
      Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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      • Originally posted by Matu View Post
        Hola:

        Perdona Ufo, es cierto, quizás me he precipitado pero he creído que esto podía confirmar tus experiencias, de todas formas comprobaré también con fuente externa, no obstante por si quieres comprobarlo, alimentando con baterías y teniendo todo en marcha sin carga en la inducida, mis baterías aumentan su voltaje, aunque no tengo colocados diodos.
        Matu,

        Con baterias no me ha funcionado, sencillamente porque en un sistema de baja resistencia como este, las baterías arrojan todo su amperaje y esto no es bueno.

        Originally posted by Matu View Post
        MI parte G está hecha con hilo nicrom (barbacoa... ) 25 ohm y primarias de 2,3 ohm, pero también tengo otro con toroide de fleje de hierro de 45 vueltas de hilo de 1,2 milimetros, aunque en este caso el consumo se dispara hasta los 13 Amp.

        Gracias por tu gran aportación al generador Figuera.

        Saludos
        A eso precisamente me refiero...ese amperaje es demasiado alto debido a la baja resistencia ...y lo que pasa es que los núcleos de hierro se sobre saturan y entonces el campo magnético de repulsión deja de hacer su función inductora.

        Tienes que regular el amperaje a mucho menos, como 6 o 7 amperes máximo...y eso solo lo consigues con una fuente reguladora LINEAL, no Pulsada...ésta última no funciona...como la que muestro en el video arriba sólo funciona bien con resistores sin parte G...


        Saludos


        Ufopolitics
        Last edited by Ufopolitics; 01-03-2017, 08:29 PM.
        Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.― Leonardo da Vinci

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        • Feynman speaking about two different phenomena in induction. Pay attention to the linked video.

          One is manifested in transformers (flux changes: emf = A•dB/dt ) and other is manifested in generators (circuit moves: emf = v•B )

          Feynman about two different phenomena in induction on Vimeo

          From Richard Feyman, Nobel Prize Winner 1965, in his lectures Vol.2 Chapter 17:


          "So the “flux rule”—that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit—applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both). The two possibilities—“circuit moves” or “field changes”—are not distinguished in the statement of the rule. Yet in our explanation of the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases—v×B for “circuit moves” and ∇×E=−∂B/∂t for “field changes.”
          We know of no other place in physics where such a simple and accurate general principle requires for its real understanding an analysis in terms of two different phenomena. Usually such a beautiful generalization is found to stem from a single deep underlying principle. Nevertheless, in this case there does not appear to be any such profound implication. We have to understand the “rule” as the combined effects of two quite separate phenomena."


          And now my view: In transformers Lenz is manifested as an opposed field to the inducer field. In generators Lenz is manifested, not as an opposed field to the inducer electromagnets, but as a dragging in the moving armature which has to be overcomed with more mechanical energy. If nothing moves...
          Last edited by hanon1492; 01-10-2017, 10:59 AM.

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          • The Same, Exact Thing...different "Colors"...

            Originally posted by hanon1492 View Post
            Feynman speaking about two different phenomena in induction. Pay attention to the linked video.

            One is manifested in transformers (flux changes: emf = A•dB/dt ) and other is manifested in generators (circuit moves: emf = v•B )

            Feynman about two different phenomena in induction on Vimeo
            Do not agree with the above AT ALL!!...:

            NOT TWO DIFFERENT "PHENOMENA"...BUT JUST THE SAME, EXACT EFFECT!!

            There are absolutely NOT TWO different phenomena there at all...BUT JUST ONE!!...BOTH, bolts down to the same, identical effect.

            In BOTH there is a CONSTANT, COMMON FACTOR which is simply DEFINED AS: FIELD CHANGES, as stated in Faraday First Law to obtain an Induced EMF.

            And so, WHATEVER MEANS we use to generate A FIELD CHANGE will produce an EMF.

            We can generate FIELD CHANGES by variations from its source, like a Transformer which works only on AC Source, since AC is ALWAYS CHANGING.

            OR, Like Figuera...Who discovered a NEW way to CHANGE FIELD by developing a NEW CHANGING SOURCE derived from a DC SUPPLY...


            We can generate FIELD CHANGES by variations through SPACE/TIME like Generator does.


            And there should be MANY OTHER WAYS to achieve a CHANGING FIELD...which We still have no idea could be possible...just because We have not discover them yet..

            And by FRAGMENTING this SINGLE PHENOMENA into TWO...AS considering BOTH ARE DIFFERENT...ALL We are doing is LIMITING OURSELVES for ACCEPTING other new forms which could be discovered.


            Originally posted by hanon1492 View Post
            And now my view: In transformers Lenz is manifested as an opposed field to the inducer field. In generators Lenz is manifested, not as an opposed field to the inducer electromagnets, but as a dragging in the moving armature which has to be overcomed with more mechanical energy. If nothing moves...
            Your "view" above is just a CONSEQUENCE from the first statement you posted, and obviously agree with..."Two Different Things"...when BOTH are EXACTLY THE SAME DEAL...WITH DIFFERENT "COLORS".

            Originally posted by hanon1492 View Post
            In transformers Lenz is manifested as an opposed field to the inducer field.
            Then You write:

            Originally posted by hanon1492 View Post
            If nothing moves...
            In Transforner "nothing moves"...In Figuera "nothing moves"...then what makes you think that in Figuera, Lenz would not be manifested as it does in Transformers??!!

            Then You write:

            Originally posted by hanon1492 View Post
            In generators Lenz is manifested, not as an opposed field to the inducer electromagnets, but as a dragging in the moving armature...
            Your above statement is completely DEAD WRONG!!

            In Generator Lenz IS manifested EXACTLY as TWO OPPOSED FIELDS, which CAUSES/RESULTS AS A Magnetic-Mechanical DRAG...

            1- When Field Rotor (Inducer) IS MOVING AWAY from Induced Field, Lenz creates an OPPOSED MAGNETIC ATTRACTION, which opposes to the Rotor Movement.

            2- When Field Rotor (Inducer) is APPROACHING to Induced Field , Lenz generates a MAGNETIC REPULSION FIELD, which OPPOSES to Rotor approaching movement.

            In Generators, Lenz becomes TWO OPPOSED FIELDS/FORCES which Oppose to Rotor Mechanical Spin...

            This is SO SIMPLE...BUT You COMPLICATE IT so much, just because of your completely OFF, then WRONG Conclusions...

            BUT DO NOT FEEL BAD...THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE FOR MORE THAN A CENTURY...

            BOTH EFFECTS ARE IDENTICAL, SAME NATURE...SAME ORIGINS...JUST DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS THROUGH DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.

            AND SO, OF COURSE, SINCE DIFFERENT PARAMETERS ARE INVOLVED, THEN DIFFERENT MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS MUST BE APPLIED...TO CALCULATE THE SAME EXACT EFFECT...A FIELD CHANGE TO OBTAIN AN EMF...SIMPLE.



            Ufopolitics
            Last edited by Ufopolitics; 01-04-2017, 06:22 PM.
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            • Fields

              G'morning Ufo,

              If they are the same thing, why then is maximun induced voltage seen with primary field-secondary field alignment in a transformer and maximun generated voltage seen when main field-armature field is in quadrature in the generator?

              Motion is the difference.

              bi

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              • Originally posted by bistander View Post
                G'morning Ufo,

                If they are the same thing, why then is maximun induced voltage seen with primary field-secondary field alignment in a transformer and maximun generated voltage seen when main field-armature field is in quadrature in the generator?

                Motion is the difference.

                bi

                Good Morning Bistander,

                Well, like I wrote before in my last statement on my last post...:

                Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post

                BOTH EFFECTS ARE IDENTICAL, SAME NATURE...SAME ORIGINS...JUST DIFFERENT MANIFESTATIONS THROUGH DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.

                AND SO, OF COURSE, SINCE DIFFERENT PARAMETERS ARE INVOLVED, THEN DIFFERENT MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS MUST BE APPLIED...TO CALCULATE THE SAME EXACT EFFECT...A FIELD CHANGE TO OBTAIN AN EMF...SIMPLE.
                Meaning FIELD CHANGES are simply originated by different Factors in your both cited examples above...and so, they Generate differently the resulting EMF.

                Originally posted by bistander View Post
                Motion is the difference.
                Of course...and "Motion" means a Variation through Space/Time...which are different Parameters as the ones involved in Transformers.

                However, this is an "apparent" difference...since in Transformers, the Time Parameter is dictated by a fixed frequency from the AC sine E.G: Sixty (60) cycles per second.

                While in a Generator, the "right motion" is only achieved when rotor reaches a specific speed...3600 RPM's which derives in exactly same given example as above...60 Cycles per second.

                What we are changing are the Parameters to obtain the same thing...the Field Change, which in turns generates the EMF...and so, different parameters to Change Field will result in different forms of EMF manifestations.

                When I was carefully observing the waves obtained by my Figuera Set up on my Scope...I realized that the Signal obtained at output is just a "Mixed Result" from both simultaneously signals generated by both Primaries Inductors...and so, this output signal is completely different from the one generated by either an AC Transformer or an Electric Generator....that we could "smooth" it out and make it "appear" just like both devices mentioned?...of course we could...You and I know very well we could "modify" signal and make them all look the same way.

                Let me try to put it in a more simple way...

                The Field Changes or Field Variations (no matter the source is producing it) establish a Pattern, which Pattern in turn is "reproduced" on the Induced or Secondaries just like an "Echo"...or a Magnetic Resonance, which produces an EMF we can work with directly...meaning it is the "tangible" result...from an "Intangible Pattern" which is derived from the varying-changing magnetic field...

                Hope it is better explained now...

                Regards


                Ufopolitics
                Last edited by Ufopolitics; 01-04-2017, 05:39 PM.
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                • Fields

                  Ufo,

                  You put forth an argument but appear to agree. The motion generated voltage needs to be treated differently than the stationary induced emf. I agree both use a magnetic field and result in an emf.

                  Thought we tabled this.

                  bi

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                  • Let's start opening Horizons...

                    Originally posted by bistander View Post
                    Ufo,

                    You put forth an argument but appear to agree. The motion generated voltage needs to be treated differently than the stationary induced emf. I agree both use a magnetic field and result in an emf.

                    Thought we tabled this.

                    bi
                    Great Bistander!!

                    So, let's "Table" this for real...glad we reach an agreement!!

                    [IMG][/IMG]

                    By the way...I should have called the Graph above not "Simplify" but "Generalize" the Induced EMF Process...

                    And of course, we could "complicate" the above graph...by adding Parameters Involved, Math Formulas, etc,etc..However, it will not change the Main View Order.

                    And please...if you do not agree with something on the above Graphic...even the colors...please let me know and I -for sure- will change it...


                    Regards



                    Ufopolitics
                    Last edited by Ufopolitics; 01-04-2017, 04:06 PM.
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                    • New Simplified Table

                      Originally posted by bistander
                      Change "Rotary" to motion. There are linear generators (and motors).
                      Agree...done deal!!

                      [IMG][/IMG]
                      I also changed the title...just a bit.


                      Regards


                      Ufopolitics
                      Last edited by Ufopolitics; 01-04-2017, 08:04 PM.
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                      • The magic of the Figuera generator is that makes possible to convert two variable magnetic fields in time in the electromagnets (dB/dt) into a variable magnetic field in space (in the induced coils), as happens in all generators ( emf = v • B ) moving back and forth the magnetic lines to create a relative velocity (v) between the lines and the wires, and, therefore creating induction by flux cutting the wires.

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                        • Not very impressive

                          Two 1-1/2" dia x 4" coils with 1-1/2" dia x 2" induced core between them.
                          Coils have 248 turns each. Permeability set to SI steel.
                          North poles opposing.




                          1 amp in left coil, 2 amp in right coil.




                          2 amps in each coil.



                          2 amps in left coil, 1 amp in right coil.


                          Cheers
                          Cadman

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                          • Originally posted by Cadman View Post
                            Two 1-1/2" dia x 4" coils with 1-1/2" dia x 2" induced core between them.
                            Coils have 248 turns each. Permeability set to SI steel.
                            North poles opposing.




                            1 amp in left coil, 2 amp in right coil.




                            2 amps in each coil.



                            2 amps in left coil, 1 amp in right coil.


                            Cheers
                            Cadman

                            Hey Cadman!!

                            Fields look pretty well, sweeping length is perfect!!


                            Is that based on your real set up?...or just a simulation?

                            I am testing right now a very similar spec set, primaries are identical and secondary is just 1/2 inch longer...what voltage are you using with those amps?

                            And are U using Part G?

                            Could you please give some info?


                            Thanks Friend!!


                            Ufopolitics
                            Last edited by Ufopolitics; 01-05-2017, 05:13 PM.
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                            • Hi Ufo

                              It's a simulation I ran to test the idea of the induced core swapping polarities, which this confirms.

                              The software uses amp turns only. V=I*R and I=V/R you know.

                              Yes I am using part G in real life.

                              However you might be surprised to know this sim convinced me to NOT build this set up! The flux strength put through center core is rather pathetic due to excessive reluctance in the air path, and this is what I expected to see. Unless you or MM or someone shows otherwise I consider this set up to be a dead end.

                              Don't misunderstand, I am still continuing with my build.

                              Regards,
                              Cadman

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                              • Originally posted by Cadman View Post
                                Two 1-1/2" dia x 4" coils with 1-1/2" dia x 2" induced core between them.
                                Coils have 248 turns each. Permeability set to SI steel.
                                North poles opposing.




                                1 amp in left coil, 2 amp in right coil.




                                2 amps in each coil.



                                2 amps in left coil, 1 amp in right coil.


                                Cheers
                                Cadman
                                Very nice CM. Well done.

                                bi

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