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  • thx1138
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    Hendershot Patent

    I can't locate any patents under Hendershot's name. Can someone provide a link or reference, please? Did I miss it in an earlier post?

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  • GSM
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    Originally posted by pjotterkjen View Post

    Lanphier also commented that another "set of coils" were inside this ring magnet. He must have referred to coils #013 and #014 together with coil #029 (replacement of coil #006 in MK2).
    My thoughts are that a coil fully inside of a ring magnet will become completely polarised by same unless the magnet is weaker or well air gapped; thus I imagine the magnet externally offset and close to one end of the coil.
    Maybe the ring could be in an operating position from which it was easily removeable from a completed construction so that no-one could thereafter figure out how the device worked.

    In this regard I wonder if the other side of Lester's wooden Mk3 baseboards were routed beneath his core assemblies such that magnets inserted out of sight could set up an activateable/reversible electron spin orbit alignment within each of the sleeve cores ?

    Cheers ............... Graham.

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  • pjotterkjen
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    We owe it to Hendershot to unite forces and continue

    Originally posted by GSM View Post

    Pjotterkjen, we could all ramble on a bit, just for fun, and we could even explain our perceptions until we die of old age, but would any of this lead to us personally repeating the energy generation demonstrated by Lester so long ago.

    I am not saying that no one will ever manage to bring a Hendershot Generator back to life, but I have studied his design for almost 3 years and now conclude that it will not be me who achieves this.

    The reason;- I have hands-on checked the operating principles of Wesley Gary's final design, and found it to be a fully valid generating arrangement (as with Hendershot's Mk3 buzzer), so this is where my 'free-energy' attention will now become focussed, whilst also keeping an eye on the more advanced developments here;-
    Three years is a lot of time - I admit much longer than myself, I'm only studying Hendershot for 3 months now - but I do wonder did you ever build a version of Hendershot? If so which one, and did you publish your findings, even the minor ones?

    I have read quite a lot about inventions and seen a lot of videos since I heard about free energy back in 2005, but the Hendershot story simply took a hold of me. Since as we know, if you want to really succeed in something you have to focus on it with all that you have inside you, and stay focussed on it. Hendershot was that kind of man. Nothing magical I'd say but his passion did give him something much more valuable than any theoretical insight: hand-on experience. He knew what to do almost by instinct.

    Until now there's only mikec_ut that has published a MK1 version that really looks promising. But it still lacks improvements like the ring magnet. He should be working on it right now, but it's almost a year ago he built the device. I just hope he comes with preliminar results any time soon now. His decision to start from the beginning has made me decide to follow.

    I've read and seen MK3 built by Germans. They are great builders but try to explain the device too much from a theoretical point of view, at least that's how I see it. They forget that Hendershot was not a theorist but liked to fiddle with all those components. Who knows how may hours he has spent in his basement to find out how to improve on the earth inductor compass, and then stumbled upon a way to generate free energy?

    The same way we must do as Hendershot did. We must be practical and build stuff. The time to theorize on the MK devices is useless if that what we know is not what the devices have been. Important details are missing. We only can find these missing pieces when we take the same route Hendershot did, using the same approach and passion he had.

    So Graham, of course I don't mind you focus on some other aspect, but do not abandon this thread as more interesting results are bound to appear if we all focus on the same thing, build, and publish our results.

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  • pjotterkjen
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    The journey will continue

    Originally posted by GSM View Post

    In the Mk1/2, Lester's original 008-9 basket coils are very closely coupled and thus act together, likely with opposite phased outputs, and sitting above a loudspeaker type ring magnet ? (Major Lanphier.)
    According to what I read in the article, the coils #008 a/b were cross-wound *around* this ring magnet. I think this magnet ring should be included in the design. The weird thing it is not mentioned once in the patent, but I'm sure that must have a reasonable explanation. If you read the claims they all differ at some point, and besides it was still a draft and it is clear the draftsman still had a lot of questions that had to be answered by Hendershot (and who knows if he ever did?).

    Lanphier also commented that another "set of coils" were inside this ring magnet. He must have referred to coils #013 and #014 together with coil #029 (replacement of coil #006 in MK2).

    Then there's core #003. The patent does not say what material it is made of, but it mentions it is "soldered to a set of transformer plates #018". Also the "magnetic extension #002" (later called 'resonator') of the collector #001 which is just a small metallic plate, is placed so that it is in attraction mode to the core #003. Besides this we know the extension or resonator #002 will be oscillating so it must be attracted by core #003 but also repelled repeatedly. So this core #003 must be of soft iron, and becomes an 'oscillating magnet' through the signal on coil #004. This signal is picked up by the two coils #013 and #014. Whatever this signal was, it must have been the lower frequencies the same way the buzzer works in the MK3 design. I'm still of the opinion that this part of the device's purpose was to generate an audible signal and nothing else.

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  • GSM
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    Hi pjotterkjen.

    When I started this thread I really thought that I would be able to unravel the Hendershot designs, but the more I have studied them, the more I have realised that things written and stated simply cannot be either true or 100% explanatory. Then after understanding these aspects there is so little information left upon which to follow.

    In the Mk1/2, Lester's original 008-9 basket coils are very closely coupled and thus act together, likely with opposite phased outputs, and sitting above a loudspeaker type ring magnet ? (Major Lanphier.)
    Is there a clear statement anywhere relating to the type of wire used ?
    Could it have been iron wire ? Magnet alignment could arrange for the windings themselves to retain a small magnetic bias about which a half wave conduction could be resonated into full wave output.
    In the Mk3 each coil had its own core with fields that could non-linearly flip-flop without being tied to be oppositely phased mirror images, for closely coupled coils as in the Mk1/2 can limit what either one might do alone on its own core as in the Mk3.

    The only aspect of Lester's generators I can fully understand him using is his Mk3 magnetic resonators, though even here I have come to understand that he could have achieved much greater efficiency with these himself had he been aware of Wesley Gary's final mechanical arrangement.

    Pjotterkjen, we could all ramble on a bit, just for fun, and we could even explain our perceptions until we die of old age, but would any of this lead to us personally repeating the energy generation demonstrated by Lester so long ago.

    I am not saying that no one will ever manage to bring a Hendershot Generator back to life, but I have studied his design for almost 3 years and now conclude that it will not be me who achieves this.
    The reason;- I have hands-on checked the operating principles of Wesley Gary's final design, and found it to be a fully valid generating arrangement (as with Hendershot's Mk3 buzzer), so this is where my 'free-energy' attention will now become focussed, whilst also keeping an eye on the more advanced developments here;-
    http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post247893

    Cheers ............. Graham.
    .
    Last edited by GSM; 01-01-2014, 10:36 PM.

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  • pjotterkjen
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    Fluxgate phenomenon in ring magnet

    I have been reading a bit about the fluxgate phenomenon. If it was the case that coil #008 indeed had a ring magnet as a core (as stated by Major Lanphier in NYT but not mentioned by patent description), then the natural earth magnetic field would cause the fluxgate phenomenon to occur in the ring magnet (if placed in horizontal position). In short words, the earth magnetic field causes the flux through the ring magnet to change in intension, depending where you would measure it.

    So the result would be a ring magnet where the flux inside the ring would vary from section to section. Either the east or west sections would either accumulate flux or diminish it (assuming the ring magnet is placed horizontally in the earth magnetic field as is the case in the MK1/2 devices).

    I'm about to ramble on a bit, just for fun.

    Then, there are the two coils #008a & #008b wound around it in a - according to the patent - honeycomb-like (cross-wound) way, and are connected electrically opposite, receiving signals from the collector #001 through wire #005 and coil #006, each signal 180° shifted in phase by coil #006 as it arrives at coil #008a or #008b.

    This would pulse or oscillate the coil #008 and ring magnet combination in a perfect standing wave - at whatever frequency possible - and thus steer the output section.

    At the same time, the coils #013 and #014 would pick up this oscillation too, and hence also coil #004.

    This could then be the feedback to the output circuit around coils #019, #022, and #025, and the motor or lamp load. Either this (coil #004) was meant to be a positive or negative feedback...

    One thing that keeps me wondering is the collector #001 and its 'extension' #002 as the patent mentions. My main question is here, the collector, a metallic plate, what signals (current/electricity) would it send through wire #005 to coil #006, and of what metal was it made?

    This all (I am sure) has to be found out by building and fiddling a lot with the components just like Hendershot did, while measuring signals at specific points... and if so many of us try the same one should be so lucky to stumble on what we're looking for: the actual device oscillation driver!

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  • pjotterkjen
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    Your model?

    Originally posted by GSM View Post

    Where does, and how could, an Aether come into this without there being other detectable, measureable and observable effects ?
    @Graham, it is good to see you back on this list and thanks for starting this thread.

    I concur in many comments you have made.

    You deny the existence of the aether; you manage another model to explain how an atom is able to spin continuously. You refer to a book that I haven't been able to read yet.

    To me the aether does exist; it is a medium where longitudinal waves can be transmitted through instantly. It is the medium on which light travels. It is the medium where its imbalances represent matter, gravity, electricity, magnetism, or light.

    Magnetism are represented as lines and of course they do not exist but indicate a flow, a direction. The problem is that when we are explained a magnetic field of say a permanent bar magnet, only a part is being explained. The part that is unexplainable however is not included. The lines drawn are not correct. We're wrongly being taught the field is static, there's no energy. Actually magnetism is aetheric flow, a result of many aligned atom spins. As such, permanent magnets do not exist. And of course magnetism is full of energy!

    To me, the energy with which an atom spins must come from somewhere. So from where then? Cotterell states it simply comes from ambient heat and light. Each atom also emits radiation to other atoms and can influence their spin too. I think this might well be true: just put some water to boil, what exactly happens? You transmit heat to the atoms, and they spin faster and emit more radiation up to the point where the liquid becomes gas and the water becomes suddenly very instable. But the water molecules do not change.

    Going downwards, if you cool any matter down to zero Kelvin the atoms stop spinning. This is because of the lack of heat. But there is still energy present; this is what we call ZPE (Zero Point Energy). How can we explain that if there's no medium for this energy?

    That said, I wonder how you would explain the perpetual motion of an atom spinning in your model which apparently lacks a medium like the aether?

    Also, I too wonder, could you explain what do you mean by 'the three dimensional relationships of magnetic fields'?

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  • GSM
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    Originally posted by pjotterkjen View Post
    2. The patent does not supply information about the core that is used for coil #008. Major Lanphier said to a NYT reporter that the first model had a ring magnet of less than 3 inches and around this ring magnet coils #008 a/b were rigged "as only Hendershot knew how to rig them". Has anyone considered this in the design? If so what outer and inner diameter were used?
    I trust that my posts here are seen as me sharing (or challenging), and not me picking on anyone's individual efforts or work, for I am not an expert having qualified or self appointed right to comment.

    Pjotterkjen - WOW !!!!!

    I had not known about that ring magnet before, and heck if it does not tie in with words in my post just two days ago.
    Can a magnet not polarise the core of a coil, much like a battery can charge a capacitor ?
    And can a specific type of winding wire used within a 'coreless' coil not constitute its own core ?
    This where a magnet will not run down like a battery will if that singly polarised charge is used to initiate fully cyclical reactive alternation.

    We have all seen Lester's drawings in relation to his Mk1/2, plus his description of fully square laminated 'transformer' surrounds numbered 18 and 27 over inductive windings 19 and 25, as also included in Mike's recent upload -

    http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...i_mkii_wag.pdf

    Yet there is no such thing as an *external* core for an inductor !!!!!

    So what was within that inductor BEFORE it was inserted within the entirely square transformer laminations ?
    And was its passive field thereafter near sinusoidally alternated through zero via the application of a 50% cycle activation through coils 4 and 22 ?

    It is what was *not* presented for Patent filing, plus that which has since been altered, removed or lied about that has preserved Lester's secrets within designs much more clever than most of the supposedly educated people (TPTB) could ever credit !!!!!

    What a journey this has been.
    I now have health to recover since that recent serious illness which afforded me so much thinking time; also a life to recover.

    Cheers ................ Graham.
    Last edited by GSM; 12-29-2013, 11:53 AM.

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  • GSM
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    Originally posted by pjotterkjen View Post
    I think we need to include aether distortions to be able to see what could be the key to cause the MK1 to oscillate. I have been reading up on Dan Davidson's Shape Power, and besides that the theory of Maurice Cotterell of how the atomic particles spin originates and how gravity, electricity, and magnetism are related and actually are results of aetheric distortions - even matter - then we can start to see how everything is related.
    Where does, and how could, an Aether come into this without there being other detectable, measureable and observable effects ?

    We are taught about magnetism as if lines of force, but that merely closes our mind to the already *freely* energised electron orbits generating those fields, and the full three-dimensionality (not just two) of the reactivities involved within a magnetic field, exactly as is the case with rotating matter (a gyroscope) in a gravity field.
    An Aether ?
    Watch out for what might happen to your cognitive capabilities related to matter if you believe in an Aether; for matter embodies gyroscopic electron motion, this capable of being aligned by various electro-magnetically induced fields, and thereby acting in directions mutually at 90 degrees wrt those activations.
    It is via three dimensional relationships that everything exists (lives) and operates, not via some imaginary Aether !!!!!

    And it was the three dimensional relationships of magnetic fields which Lester so clearly understood, not TPTB crap being taught in school today to turn us into mind-dead tax-payers for their benefit !!!!!
    Last edited by GSM; 12-29-2013, 11:23 AM.

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  • GSM
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    Originally posted by pjotterkjen View Post
    I'm convinced we have to look collectively in this part of the device MK1 - that is, the collector #001, the resonator #002, the wire #005, the coil #006 and core #007, and possibly coil #008 (a and b) with related components. The biggest secret is there.
    If only - Big Sigh - I became weary of trying to understand what is supposed to be illustrated within the drawings presented to us for his Mk1-2.
    My opinion is that the secret is *not* there because it has been completely removed from the coils that empowered the resonant assemblies you are considering here.

    There are several different drawings for mechanisms within Lester's dowel wound coil assemblies; none of which I can adequately follow.

    To me Lester's mechanisms are developments of a mechanical resonator used to tune circuit oscillation such that optimisation is achieved for transducing field reversals within a polarised but non-saturated core, where that speed of reversal within that core relates directly to both its atomic nature and overall physical shape+size.

    Some time back I thought Lester's mechanisms were as like the mechanical resonators eventually developed to run at the circa 455kHz intermediate frequencies within high selectivity military receivers, however we need to consider the limitations that everday materials would place upon any maximum frequency achievable.

    The finer a lamination strip the higher can be its operating frequency within a transformer. Hence old frame output transformers likely had a much higher upper limit to operate with a 50-60 triangular waveform than would standard low efficiency mains transformers running on sine waves.
    Also the thinner/shorter a resonately energised pin within any coil, the higher its frequency/'Q' of resonance.
    Last edited by GSM; 12-29-2013, 09:28 AM.

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  • GSM
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    Originally posted by pjotterkjen View Post
    Here's where we need to unravel the first and biggest secret: how did Hendershot manage to pick up signals that caused his device to oscillate and without using rotating windings?
    Could it not be that he magneto-electrically generated the initial 'signals' himself, and via the nature of his equipment these were fed back within his circuit to be reactively tuned to self regenerate until reaching sufficient amplitude to empower a load ?

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  • pjotterkjen
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    Ring magnet in coil #008

    I was reading up again on the patent that describes the MK1/2 devices, and some questions came to my mind (with regards to the collector/resonator part).

    1. The patent says about #002 "a flexible strip of magnetic material" and later refers to this component to be the resonator. Until now I only find it is useful for an audible indication that oscillation occurred, and nothing else. Does anyone else have a different opinion about this?

    2. The patent does not supply information about the core that is used for coil #008. Major Lanphier said to a NYT reporter that the first model had a ring magnet of less than 3 inches and around this ring magnet coils #008 a/b were rigged "as only Hendershot knew how to rig them". Has anyone considered this in the design? If so what outer and inner diameter were used?

    Also, in addition to my previous post, I think I will include the coil #004 and core #003 with coils #013 and #014 and resistor #017 into my first partial replication of the MK1 device, as they will cause the resonator #002 to oscillate.

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  • pjotterkjen
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    Earth Inductor compass -> MK1 - how?

    Originally posted by MorningStar View Post
    Referring to post No. 483, if you do a search under patents for "earth inductor compass" you'll find quite a bit of reading material.

    Basically, these devices created a weak electrical output resulting from rotation in azimuth (change in heading) of the host vehicle relative to the earth's electrical field. That begs the question in my mind, did Hendershot rotate his device repeatedly clockwise and counter-clockwise on his workbench to charge or initialize the capacitive components. Just a thought.
    Yeah I have read through some documents and also a patent mentioned on the WikiPedia page (Donald Bliss, 1912). I am trying to get my thoughts about how Hendershot got from that device to his first MK1.

    First of all the MK1 device does not have a winding rotating at high speed in the weak earth magnetic field. Second, when the winding of the earth inductor compass is exactly lined (magnetic) north - south, and if the brushes make contact at that moment, there's no induction.

    Here's where we need to unravel the first and biggest secret: how did Hendershot manage to pick up signals that caused his device to oscillate and
    without using rotating windings? What did he discover when he was trying to invent a compass that indicated true North?

    I'm convinced we have to look collectively in this part of the device MK1 - that is, the collector #001, the resonator #002, the wire #005, the coil #006 and core #007, and possibly coil #008 (a and b) with related components. The biggest secret is there.

    I think we need to include aether distortions to be able to see what could be the key to cause the MK1 to oscillate. I have been reading up on Dan Davidson's Shape Power, and besides that the theory of Maurice Cotterell of how the atomic particles spin originates and how gravity, electricity, and magnetism are related and actually are results of aetheric distortions - even matter - then we can start to see how everything is related.

    Will come back with more on this later as I'm trying to get a clear picture of Hendershot at the time and what his knowledge and experience could have led to. I must admit this is not an easy task at all but slowly I feel some constructive progress could be made if we all together try to do the same thing.

    I will be building the collector - resonator part of MK1 anytime soon and start playing with it, then come back with my results. Anyone who wants to do the same (build, test, publish results) please let me know through this thread.

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  • GSM
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    Hi Greg,

    I invited Mark to join in here with any stories he might be able to recount, but no reply was forthcoming.
    In view of long past happenings I feel it best that Mark and family be allowed to live without intrusion from the many possible enquiries resulting from our inabilities to unravel Lester's technology.

    Do be careful about whose plans you follow, there are some erroneous and incomplete (bogus) versions being sold out there !

    Cheers ......... Graham.
    Last edited by GSM; 12-28-2013, 04:34 PM.

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  • Chevalier
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    Hendershot

    Thanks for the info. I just wanted to jump into the thread. I planning a build and I contacted Mark Hendershot's wife. Mark did not want to talk. They live in Washington State, Redmond. So the question about Mark is that he is still out there but has not worked on motor for a while. Wife was very nice but could not help. She claimed everything Mark had is published.

    Regards,

    Greg C

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