My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[baywatch80]

Let's take it to the next level - Making UFO Machine from Scratch

Dear Sir and Team ,

Namaste.

After completing the post I understood it's not in order. Please excuse me for this as it's written in some aggravated and agonized moods.
( don't have enough energies to repost it in proper order and presentable language )

Please read...

Have been going by the thread last 3 days and making notes as well (topic-wise) on discussions. Will try making a complete document (already making ) with the questions and answers by respected UFOPOLITICS and other learned members. I am also keeping the relevant links to the posts so that the reader can directly land in that particular post. So far done about 50 pages of the thread.

Before that I surfed across the thread several times. Please note just surfed. But I understood the biggest issue and so far unsolved issue here is the coil gauge. Nowhere it has been standardized with respect to using a particular gauge as our machines are not confined to any particular conventional built.

Now I want to present here my approach. I want to maintain the same gauge (as given by the manufacturer of motor) and the resistance of about 1 ohm as directed by respected UFOPoLITICS) per coil. This demands more room in the armature slots/poles, which is not available if we try winding on the motors we have. Let's not forget that what we are building here is not rebuilding that lousy motor. We are building a UFO MACHINE, not a motor. It has its own demands. Let's not compromise to bring this unique and wonderful machine out - having put in so much of effort, moneys, time and other resources besides the private life of us and our near and dear.

Friends, I don't know whether you are with me in this idea. But I'm going ahead. I'm going to leave experimenting with this 1 hp 15 pole lousy motor. I call it lousy as I think and strongly believe that it is limiting the powerful designs of UFO with its narrow slots in which that witch has been living in for decades. The angels cannot live in narrow and clustered places. They need more room and sufficient open areas to roam freely and happily.

I am going today itself to my workshop to make a design where all the coil sits happily without compromise which I call a red carpet for the angel to get in and happily move around.

I believe I will never face heat of the witch where the angels roam.

If I hurt any of you because of this emotional driven ( not science driven) post, please excuse me. Please correct me f I am wrong on topic I mentioned here.

Dear Sir, I will never leave a space for the witch to enter my UFOMACHINE for silly compromises. Yes I call it silly to compromise on that cluttered stinking narrow slots of the witch, sorry for the unparliamentary words, but please let me as I'm very much agonized over our compromises. As I told you I surfed the thread several times just to understand proper coil configuration like gauge and number of turns and other aspects of it. I couldn't get a solid and confident reply for any questions on that.
I know that you have an answer already with you for those questions.

I know you were looking for more replications those days in the beginning of this thread so that people will understand your machine's concepts and stop speaking ill of your machine (in future) as several replicators would already post their experiences. I know you looked for more replicators so that future builders of your machine should be able to do this without fear , worry and tension. Dear sir, it is accomplished. I am the living example. I never tried replicating your machine on those tiny motors as I didn't belong to the first gen here. By the time I's in, it forwarded a lot. It traveled so much where it didn't leave a scope of doubt for me about its efficacy and that drove me to take it up straight on 1 hp motor.

I know people won't replicate if you ask them to build such a machine from scratch for their good own reasons.

But sir, those days are over. Who remained here are a very few of the batch 1 people and I don't know I'm from which batch but I am also here.

Correct me if I wrong. We'll build it from scratch. We'll give it a measurement Unit of our own. I named it already. THE UNIT IS CALLED UFO or UP.

I think we need to look into this and create some new parameters with respect to the machine capacities, like how conventional motors designed for a particular HP. Please forgive me if I am crossing my limits. But I strongly believe that we NEED to give it some measurement - I mean OUR OWN MEASUREMENT. Let's bring in a gauge called UFO ( i already named it like HP) We need not prove anything here to anybody about the efficacy of UFO machines. Again I apologize for this initiation. Anybody can not and shouldn't bring in any sort of comparisons.

Let the naysayers research to arrive at the conversion constants with other areas of Physics.

We are not bothered.

Friends, need to take a break as I am very much in agitated moods. Give me a short break. I'll settle mentally and come back again to post my next course in detail.

Regards and Namaste


Kumar

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Dear Kumar,

Have you been able to follow UFO's work and make chronologically arranged notes? Did it help u reach any useful conclusion? I have been studying UFO's work since a long time, gathering the scattered bits and pieces of info and separating the useless verbal battles.

After the 750W north-south pair winding, UFO shifted design to all North pairs and the Radio Shack all North Pyramid V shape coil winding geometry. Then he came up with a Dual Pentagon single wire North-South pairs and a very important concept called TOW(Throw Out Angles) which relates to winding geometry and more number of coils translating to HIGHER TORQUE and HIGHER RPMs.

I found no youtube videos after below video.


This below is UFOPolitics youtube video:

ALL NORTH VERSUS NORTH-SOUTH FIVE POLES ASYMMETRY

https://youtu.be/diY96XR76Fg?si=d6yUZ5WmziBMImvg

I followed UFO's work closely and it stops here. After his disclosure that an ALL NORTH ROTOR is best, i haven't been able to see any development after exhaustively searching EnergeticForum.

Rather than going after commutator based design single or dual, i am trying to conceive a brushless design.

Making those long Shaft armature and fitting dual commutators is one reason why people are finding it difficult to replicate as that requires quite some machining tools and skills.

Would you or anyone you know continue upon this idea? Please spread the word. I am going to post this same message in multiple threads/conversations and also to UFOPolitics to get things going on.

I know this stuff was started way long back but I see many readers still occasionally logging in and checking msgs and posting replies.

regards,
baywatch.

[baywatch80]

Making independently wound "asymmetric" motors with only 1 commutator

I think you can make independently wound electric motors with only one commutator. To be a Tesla style motor they must comply with Tesla patent 390414 as Ufo has stated in this thread, the key of which is the motor must have independently wound coils. It is my theory that, contrary to the stated need for two commutators, it may be done with just one commutator. The conditions are that the motor must have an even number of poles/commutator segments, and it must be wound as many of Ufo's earlier designs, with a given coil having a N coil group on one side of the motor with the winding jumping across the shaft to generate the S coil group, with the wire end of whole coil exiting out the other side of the single brush set. easy-peasy. This will exclude his homopolar designs. Haven't done this yet, so many fish to fry, may try it teaching my grand kids sometime soon... I would not try it on motors with less than 6 poles. I will also be targeting closer to 2 ohms resistance per coil, trying to get similar amp draws as the original shell of the Edison style motors, as this will make performance comparisons much easier.

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Hi Sampojo,

After winding the 750W Bosch motor and some others with multiple North-South pairs all around the 360 degree quadrant, UFOPolitics said he did extensive research and came up with an ALL NORTH ROTOR design which is supposed to overcome the drawbacks of North-South pairs type winding such as HIGH amp draw.


This below is UFOPolitics youtube video:

ALL NORTH VERSUS NORTH-SOUTH FIVE POLES ASYMMETRY

https://youtu.be/diY96XR76Fg?si=d6yUZ5WmziBMImvg

I followed UFO's work closely and it stops here. After his disclosure that an ALL NORTH ROTOR is best, i haven't been able to see any development after exhaustively searching EnergeticForum.

Rather than going after commutator based design single or dual, i am trying to conceive a brushless design.

Making those long Shaft armature and fitting dual commutators is one reason why people are finding it difficult to replicate as that requires quite some machining tools and skills.

Would you or anyone you know continue upon this idea? Please spread the word. I am going to post this same message in multiple threads/conversations and also to UFOPolitics to get things going on.

I know this stuff was started way long back but I see many readers still occasionally logging in and checking msgs and posting replies.

regards,
baywatch.

[baywatch80]

Hi all

here the first of very probably long list of video

good luck at all

Laurent

Ufo assymetric motor part 1 - YouTube

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Hi Woopy,

I've been following ufopolitics's work since a long time and also exhaustively read the comments of his work's replicators and others at EnergeticForum.

It may seem foolish or trivial but can you please explain how the armature winding coil circuit is being completed if you are connecting the +ve and -ve at the diagonally opposite terminals? Some ppl asked this doubt but neither UFO nor his motor replicators answered. This is a very serious doubt plaguing the minds of many observers of UFO's work

[sampojo]

Making independently wound "asymmetric" motors with only 1 commutator

I think you can make independently wound electric motors with only one commutator. To be a Tesla style motor they must comply with Tesla patent 390414 as Ufo has stated in this thread, the key of which is the motor must have independently wound coils. It is my theory that, contrary to the stated need for two commutators, it may be done with just one commutator. The conditions are that the motor must have an even number of poles/commutator segments, and it must be wound as many of Ufo's earlier designs, with a given coil having a N coil group on one side of the motor with the winding jumping across the shaft to generate the S coil group, with the wire end of whole coil exiting out the other side of the single brush set. easy-peasy. This will exclude his homopolar designs. Haven't done this yet, so many fish to fry, may try it teaching my grand kids sometime soon... I would not try it on motors with less than 6 poles. I will also be targeting closer to 2 ohms resistance per coil, trying to get similar amp draws as the original shell of the Edison style motors, as this will make performance comparisons much easier.

[sampojo]

Trying to improve upon the BLDC design

Well...if the Symmetrical looks like this:

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Where All Coils are in series...then our Asymmetrical Spiral would be like this:

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I only have wound P1 and P2...half a Machine, just one sensor...and it does less Amp draw...and more RPM's and Torque than Original Symmetric...

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The Complete Model will have two IC Commutators, like represented above (same thing we did with our mechanical Dual Brush-commutator system)...each IC would handle (turn On-Turn Off) Two Pairs, in order not to overload just one side of the circuit...as also to maintain rotation compensated at 180º.

It would be understood this concept is completely "Modular" as it occurred in all previous P Series Asymmetrical Winding Machines...being expandable to many other number of poles configurations.

We are just Pulsing/Collapsing Stationary Coils here like we did in my First Thread...so, it is also understood, we could derive Radiant Output from each Pair-Coil in their Off Times.

Positive is common for all Coils.


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

So this winding seems flawed. Here is the part 1 video:

ASYMMETRIC BRUSHLESS PART 1 - YouTube

If you look at the video at ~13m by steping it thru, the fan is rotating BACKWARDS. This will leave the fan blades less loaded, being be unable to scoop the same amount of air as the original motors. And the design is the old style coils with N and S subcoils, instead of the newer concept of homopolar winding. I haven't been able to conceive how to do it that way myself so far. It may not be possible... I notice that the design on the larger BLDC motors, the coils alternate N and S to run. This will alow a magnet to get twice the torque opportunities. This will mean forcing a polarity shift in the coils and losing the advantage of using less energy to realign. This video at about 4m shows the coils alternating in polarity. [VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LXPcJD6hEA[/VIDEO] Also it seems that the unused set of coils in any stroke operation gets isolated, thus confining any CEMF force? Thus could BLDC motors be incorporating features of Ufo's Asymmetric Motors somewhat?

[sampojo]

Hey UFO
Blast from the past post here... I've often thought over the years that we really didn't get everything we could out of this new design you developed for this simple 5 pole motor.

You termed these rewound motors "asymetric machines", and rightly so. They are not a completely closed system, and I believe that was your original intent - keeping the dipole open, in order to allow the aether to interact with the apparatus with each pulse it produces.

I can't help but wonder what it would take to get your 5 pole motors to function in a way similar to the way EV Gray's motors did. While there were design differences (e.g., the Gray motor used stator coils, rather than magnets, I believe), perhaps some of the principles from Gray's work could be applied.

I believe Gray's motor design used pulsed charge to stress the dielectric in an exaggerated way, forcing it to essentially "push back" charge into the motor. Consider (and I'm sure you have) Don Smith's understanding of how capacitors work - that a charge supplied to one plate draws a charge from the aether to its opposite plate. Seen this way, the capacitor essentially stresses the dielectric, and the dielectric/aether responds with a charge to the opposite plate.

My question for you and others is:
How can we take your rewound 5 pole 2 commutator motor and integrate this concept of increased dielectric stress into it, to increase its interaction with the aether through greater capacitive dielectric stress?

Regards,
Bob

I think the way to do it is to go to high voltage pulsed power controller, and shift to BLDC motors...

[sampojo]

followup on BLDC project

Hello to All,

Well, finally the second part video is here...

ASYMMETRIC BRUSHLESS PART 2 - YouTube

I did the board wiring with just small color coded insulated wires, for easier replacement of the small caps as well as taking on-off the whole laminated core...swapping rotation direction, etc.

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I had problems with one of the sensors...one of its outputs (blue)started to show a small resistance value (20 ohms) with positive Vcc, not good, that pair was pulsing too weak, had to replace IC...



I also had problems with small original caps retaining some Milli Voltage steadily, and not discharging to zero or close to like supposed to...due to higher radiant, higher BEMF Spikes because of more copper on same steel volume...I will eventually measure this exact running values when I connect all four outputs to Scope...The Solution was higher Voltage rated caps, same value, or 2.2 uF but 100V...then retention of voltage went to 0.04 to 0.02...or nothing...we have more voltage in our fingers...

In future tests...I am looking at adding some small Non Polarized Caps Parallel to each Pair, about same timing capacitance or 2.2 uF...creating "Momentary" LC Tank circuits for each...in order to "flash" store Radiant in each Off Time Pulse, reversing magnetic polarity...and use it more robust to assist motor Pairs while being turned On by Hot Pulses...same deal we had before on our Brush Type Asymmetric Machines, except that here we have plenty of space to do it externally and stationary...

The Basic Results were:

Two Symmetric Fans in Parallel running at :

11.5 Volts drew 0.47 Amps, each outputting around 2000 RPM's

One Asymmetric Fan, connecting All Pairs:

11.5 Volts drew 0.39 Amps, outputting around 2700 RPM's

At 13.8 Volts drew 0.46 Amps reaching around 3000 RPM's

The idea of building this type of small Four Poles ...is to be able to "modulate" sections like this structure and spread them along bigger circumference machines...in series, to add resistance values, decreasing amp draw...every 90º, 120º...etc,etc.

I am currently working on a bigger 24 Teeth Laminated Core for future Asymmetric BLDC model...maybe a Six Phase Circuit...a P24, 48 Coil Spiral...

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Comparing Diameters... :

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Regards to All



Ufopolitics

Looking at this from page 198, kind of a loose end. Still looking at the BLDC fan motor demo you did to understand how to introduce the extra hall sensor. Also wondering what a homopolar design would look like on it. Washing machine motors look like great candidates! Look at this standard type BLDC motor!



Real easy to work with, cheap used too.

Definitely on my agenda, will try the fan motor conversion!

[sampojo]

Shift to newer homopolar design by Ufo

FYI this 5 pole design with a N and S wound component to each sub coil general design feature was found not to perform as well by Ufopolitics and he presented the "homopolar" design around page 220. It really boosted power probably another 10-20%.

[Bob Smith]

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Hello to all,

I am preparing a nice animation to be seen all the windings-connections in 3D...Not to be right away...but coming...

Now this image will give you the understanding. However, when showing this plan view, I reduced the lower commutator and there are not shown the lower brushes ..it will create confusion, but you all know they are "crossed in diagonal" on this motor, as my video Part 1 explains it. So Output Negative would be the "G", and the one shown on left "M" would be Positive Motor (Input).

You just wind Pairs of Coils as You just do a Coil, continuously, except going through the angle of the Armature Core, just like a "Bent Coil" in V Shape.
Now please, this tends to confusion, because once you start winding, you could loose where was your starting point...so, please mark it with a tape on shaft or permanent marker, the side chosen to start all coils.

Do one Pair at a time, continuous winding and connect them to commutator elements as you go...

My Photobucket link...in case can not read clearly here

5P_2S_1.jpg picture by ufopolitics - Photobucket
Regards
Ufopolitics

Hey UFO
Blast from the past post here... I've often thought over the years that we really didn't get everything we could out of this new design you developed for this simple 5 pole motor.

You termed these rewound motors "assymetric machines", and rightly so. They are not a completely closed system, and I believe that was your original intent - keeping the dipole open, in order to allow the aether to interact with the apparatus with each pulse it produces.

I can't help but wonder what it would take to get your 5 pole motors to function in a way similar to the way EV Gray's motors did. While there were design differences (e.g., the Gray motor used stator coils, rather than magnets, I believe), perhaps some of the principles from Gray's work could be applied.

I believe Gray's motor design used pulsed charge to stress the dielectric in an exaggerated way, forcing it to essentially "push back" charge into the motor. Consider (and I'm sure you have) Don Smith's understanding of how capacitors work - that a charge supplied to one plate draws a charge from the aether to its opposite plate. Seen this way, the capacitor essentially stresses the dielectric, and the dielectric/aether responds with a charge to the opposite plate.

My question for you and others is:
How can we take your rewound 5 pole 2 commutator motor and integrate this concept of increased dielectric stress into it, to increase its interaction with the aether through greater capacitive dielectric stress?

Regards,
Bob

[Lightworker1]

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[Lightworker1]

Dear UFOPOLITICS
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[Ufopolitics]

Hi vastdragon, and Ufo,

Be careful with 3BGS and Lithium batteries. Lithium batteries require sophisticated cell management (BMS). If run without BMS and on a system where overcharge is possible (maybe unavoidable), disaster is likely. All the 3BGS use lead-acid of which I am aware. Lead-acid is pretty forgiving about charge.

Regards,

bi

Thanks Bistander!

And yes, that's very true!

Vastdragan has the batteries from a Leaf...it should have the BMS in the package.

The Nissan Leaf is the "Old School" Electric Vehicles...meaning their motor controlers run SO HOT, that it needs a whole cooling system just like the Farting Machine needs...radiator plus electric fans....what I want to say...is that it is designed to stand heavy loads.

Thanks GOD that TESLA MOTORS reinvented the Electric vehicles...based on Nikola Tesla Induction Motor (thanks GOD for him as well)
The Teslas Vehicles runs very cool (do not need a radiator w/ big fans), even though the battery bank has a small liquid cooling system...just like some PC Motherboards uses.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[vastdragan]

Hi Bistander,

You have right with over charge lithium chemistry.
After I started to read that thread, I think it's not for me. This is why I insist to build a generator based on Ufopolitics asymmetric style.

Regards,

Vast

[bistander]

Comments

Hi vastdragon, and Ufo,

Be careful with 3BGS and Lithium batteries. Lithium batteries require sophisticated cell management (BMS). If run without BMS and on a system where overcharge is possible (maybe unavoidable), disaster is likely. All the 3BGS use lead-acid of which I am aware. Lead-acid is pretty forgiving about charge.

Regards,

bi

[vastdragan]

My basic rule when I find a new thread is to read first the whole thread before to ask. I don't like people who ask first before reading.

What is your opinion about building a generator base on that drawing? Also, I want to wound coils in bifilar Tesla style.

Best wishes!

Vastdragan