My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[iankoglin]

27 May 14 / 21:28:00


What you're stating ( in my humble Ass umption )if the motor and connections are all wired correctly and Aligned correctly...
One could full throttle at the beginning ( of any take off point ) and the princess will take off like a bat out of Hell...


All the best
RandyFL
PS remember I am a newbie a forums... and Assymmetry

G'day Randy
Did you see any of my asymmetric motor Video's when I start them they always respond well
Kindest Regards

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[RandyFL]

27 May 14 / 21:28:00

Quote:
Hello Randy,
Could you please, do me a favor (as well to the whole Thread)...Just do ONE POST out of the Three you have here...and next time, resume all in ONE...Please!

I am going to try my best......

Quote:

UFo
Is there at any time when " the witch " is friends with us....
It works as follows:

We KILL the Witch...then as in a magic storyteller...a Princess walks in...and yes, SHE works for Us...(on our side)


Anyway...
When woopy made His replication At one point He had to start His motor by hand ( help it along in the beginning ) He stated and He actually showed in His youtube video...
What you're stating ( in my humble Ass umption )if the motor and connections are all wired correctly and Aligned correctly...
One could full throttle at the beginning ( of any take off point ) and the princess will take off like a bat out of Hell...

I will try to keep everything ( Posts ) together.

All the best
RandyFL
PS remember I am a newbie a forums... and Assymmetry

[Ufopolitics]

Hello All
I found 18 volts DC motors from Alltronics.com / bought 5 of them as I would have bought 5 from RS but I guess RS don't restock...
RS does have them at their stores and I will secure them for research...

Hello Randy,

Could you please, do me a favor (as well to the whole Thread)...Just do ONE POST out of the Three you have here...and next time, resume all in ONE...Please!

UFo
Is there at any time when " the witch " is friends with us....

It works as follows:

We KILL the Witch...then as in a magic storyteller...a Princess walks in...and yes, SHE works for Us...(on our side)

ie... suppose you were into drag racing ( which I understand is building enthusiasm ) with electric motors and you had a massive electric motor and you're at the starting line and you slam on the throttle and the motor just hums ( or whatever noise it would make ) and everybody has left you at the starting line and you get out and have to turn the motor to get it started.......... with embarrassment

If our Machines are PROPERLY TIMED/ALIGNED...that "embarrassment" would never happen...

I can see you are just starting on Asymmetry...and still making wrong "ASS-umptions"...but don't worry...still...be welcomed here.


Take care


Ufopolitics

[RandyFL]

The Mabuchi DC Motor RS-555PH-3255

Hello All

Here is the data sheet etc. for the Mabuchi DC Motor RS-555PH-3255









All the Best
RandyFL

[RandyFL]

27 May 14 / 05:54:01
Hello All

Kogs/UfO:
I found the data sheet on the little 18VDC motor I bought from Alltronics.
Mabuchi DC Motor RS-555PH-3255
55 turns of 32mm wire

I will show the diagrams when I figure how to show things Like you guys do...

All the best
RandyFL
PS I guess its in the Manage Attachments....

[RandyFL]

Little RS Motors...

Hello All
I found 18 volts DC motors from Alltronics.com / bought 5 of them as I would have bought 5 from RS but I guess RS don't restock...
RS does have them at their stores and I will secure them for research...

UFo
Is there at any time when " the witch " is friends with us....
ie... suppose you were into drag racing ( which I understand is building enthusiasm ) with electric motors and you had a massive electric motor and you're at the starting line and you slam on the throttle and the motor just hums ( or whatever noise it would make ) and everybody has left you at the starting line and you get out and have to turn the motor to get it started.......... with embarrassment

Kogs:
Great work there. I hope Nessie is all that you hoped for... /And thanx for the heads up into the motors ( will check it out )
Btw which part of Australia are you from...I would have thought you would have built " the Mad Max " from thunderDome...

All the best
RandyFL

[Midaztouch]

Kogs


I would really like to see some solar panels on Nessie! That would be the icing on the cake!
Your almost there buddy!

Midaz

[shylo]

12 pole, 2 stators

Hi All, I've got my All north 12 pole working.

UFO, I wired up your diagram ,and my caps charge to ~12volts DC , 2 caps = 24 volts. But when I try a steady dump back to batteries, everything gets hot.
I used blocking diodes,burned a few up.

With 2 transformers in line with the Bat - , and the motor -, the caps charge to their limit (56wv) , alot faster, and nothing gets hot, just warm.

I tested many situations with several trans,...The front transformer has to be closer to a match( sec.& prim.). Where the 2nd is further apart...

Thane Hiens (sp) could really apply here.
artv

[iankoglin]

G'day Glen
I like the look of your Armature it reminds me of the 3 P56's I purchased
I had to do a bit of machining to make the endplates fit easily into the stator/magnet casing so they would turn easily when trying to adjust the position of the brushes to the commutators. Also the green epoxy is hard stuff it needs to be turned off outside so that it fits easily into the case without touching the magnets before winding the armature.

I did not clean any out of the slots except for a few lumps that would impede the winding this epoxy I am sure is to alleviate using slot papers it make life easier when winding as on smaller armatures that I needed slot papers I found it very hard to do any winding as the papers always seem to be in the way.

Looking forward to seeing your progress
Kindest Regards


Kogs just trying to help

[GlenWV]

Thank you Kogs.

G'day Glen
From my experience in winding the armatures is that when winding each portion of wind pull the wire very tight at each corner and make sure the wire is pushed tight into the slot and keep each wire parallel to the last wire that way you can get more wire into each slot
I hope this helps
Kindest Regards

Kogs just trying to help

Greetings Kogs:

Thank you for the advice, kind sir, I appreciate it and will follow it.

My eyes are on your 'Nessie', you are doing some very nice work. Some very nice work indeed!

@All: Has anyone heard from Dana (Prochiro) or Bob French lately?

Keep going guys!!

GlenWV

[Ufopolitics]

A Zoomed Rotor...P66

Greetings Mr. UFOPolitics:

Thank you for getting on this drawing so quickly. I appreciate it.

Now, I'll sit down and study this layout and then do some practice winds with scrap wire. The practice winding will build expertise for the 'final go', and give me some notion of how much wire can be stuffed into this thing.

My goal for this unit is to drive a generator at fixed speed.

Again sir, my thanks.

GlenWV

Hello Glen,

You are very welcome Glen, anytime.

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The very nice Machine you will be building soon, (Your own picture shown above) will serve as a guide for all of Us that are also working on Imperial P56 Types ALL NORTH GROUPS, since their similarities in structural architecture...so, please, keep Us informed as to number of possible turns per coil, wire size...and pictures if you could...I see you are using this Forum attachment box, and that is limited, as it don't show to Non Registered viewers...or Cell Phones uploading, etc,etc...therefore I recommend a Free Account on Photobucket or any other reliable picture uploader server...

So, any questions on the making, or testing do not hesitate to ask Us here...

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Above I made a close/up, a bigger picture of just the Rotor...to notice the winding method better, as also the Commutator Elements positioning, related to each Group.

I have corrected many "left overs" from previous N-S Pairs I did before for your motor...like now you have the right naming of G1, G2, G3 and Right hand winding Groups at commutator level...let's not get involved at this point on the Generating side or Output Gates, as they will "come by itself" as you wind the whole thing.

I added G3 and G20 GROUPS more spread to outside circumference, to notice better each coil in the group...I know once you get the "touch" to this you would be able to do it with your eyes closed......since it is all about a repetition, once you start the first coils.

Again, best way is to start in TWO GROUPS apart EXACTLY at 180º (Check BOTH dark blue Dots at starting slots of each group)...Here they are G1 and G18
Then do G2 on Left Hand Side...then G19 at Right Hand Side.

Now you will wind G3 on Left Side...and G20 on Right Hand Side of Diagram.

This way I guarantee Rotor would be pretty much balanced in both ways...weight and fields magnetic strength.

The Main Pattern of this winding concept is simple...let's look first at Left Side Groups only.

G1 has Six Coils, 1,2,3,4,5 and 6...then you do G2...and if you notice G2(Coil 1) will wrap exactly where G1(Coil 2) is...and so on like looking from a different perspective (linear view) shown below:

GROUP#1:[COIL#1][COIL#2][COIL#3][COIL#4][COIL#5][COIL#6]
GROUP#2:>>>>>>[COIL#1][COIL#2][COIL#3][COIL#4][COIL#5][COIL#6]
GROUP#3:>>>>>>>>>>>>[COIL#1][COIL#2][COIL#3][COIL#4][COIL#5][COIL#6]

On Right Hand GroupsYou will have:

GROUP#18:[COIL#1][COIL#2][COIL#3][COIL#4][COIL#5][COIL#6]
GROUP#19:>>>>>>[COIL#1][COIL#2][COIL#3][COIL#4][COIL#5][COIL#6]
GROUP#20:>>>>>>>>>>>>[COIL#1][COIL#2][COIL#3][COIL#4][COIL#5][COIL#6]

So, you realize we will have many coils wrapped within same core position (common cores)...meaning, "one on top of the other"..and in REALITY, you WILL wind them on top of the other, NOT starting where previous ends...since that way will take too much space towards outer circumference...but "growing vertically"...to the point of NOT GETTING TOO CLOSE to Commutator, Connectors Area...then you start next or following previous wrap...understand?

At the same token, this way WILL ENHANCE magnetic Fields in a Space Amplified Fashion, in the Progressive Spiral...

Realize that when Brushes are energizing TWO GROUPS at both ends...We will have a beautiful Parallel Bifilar Type Winding...and that happens every nano second...remember bifilar enhances magnetic fields strength.

Hope you get a better view of this type of All North Winding now...

I am pretty sure this Machine would be the next Monster-Beast...


Kind Regards Glen


Ufopolitics

EDIT 1: The Commutator I used here (I realized just now...cause it was not matching perfectly on both extremes) is from the Imperial 56 Elements...NOT 66 Elements...however, the Elements marked in red must follow same pattern, or start touching brushes which should be set at center of each stator magnet...correct me if I am wrong, since I am not familiar with this Machine.
So, the chosen element(s) [they are two elements per Group at each Comm] should fall more or less between the previous and last Pole from Coil#6...

EDIT 2: I replaced the Diagram because of G3 on Comm level showing as G2 (repeated two times) now corrected..

[Ufopolitics]

@ Kogs

Hey Kogs,

It is hard to edit my answer to your previous post with all answers in blue...plus my previous post included...but mainly this is about Super Caps...

Super Caps are like Lithium Polymer Cells...that are actually 3.2 Volts each.

However SC are 2.7 Volts.

The Super Caps I showed on video are:

MAXWELL TECHNOLOGIES 310 FARADS, 2.7 VOLTS

They go for around $12.00 USD and the more you buy the cheaper they come out by single price reduction (price list -per unit- shows at right hand side of linked name above)

One thing that worries me when using them in banks for larger voltages...is to keep them balanced per cell, once we build our own "Packs"...

LiPo technology have resolved this issue of "Per Cell Balancing" by using BMS (Battery Management Systems)

One thing that I love about Supercaps...is that they take Radiant or Reverse flow as well as positive flow (Batteries) and that "MIXTURE" fill/charge them out very powerfully in the SERIES (C1-C2) Connection I showed prior...I imagine how much faster it would be with bigger machines than Five(5) Poles...

They already have out a SAB (Supercap Auto Balancing) MOSFET...

And I am sure we could develop a small -per cell- SAB MOSFET BMS circuit to keep each cell balanced at a very low consumption in the future.

Point is...they can NEVER be voltage overcharged -I believe is 2.85 V MAX per cell- or they will break down

When you see "overpriced" Supercaps of Higher Voltages than 2.7 Volts...is that they did the "Packs" themselves...then sell them as a unit...but We could do just better than that..!


Regards and


Ufopolitics

[iankoglin]

G'day UFO
Thanks for the reply
My replies questions are in blue

Good Morning Kogs !!(here on East Coast U.S)

First...Oh!, how beautiful Nessie looks!...lovely classic Tricycle!

I am glad that all UFO Engineering has worked for you my friend...

That Motor is running super strong friend!...love the Magura "touch" makes it jump, in first gear!

Couple of hints/advices there friend ...

Make sure the Supercaps are 47 and not 4.7 Farads...the link you have shown displays 4.7 F...and 4.7 is too short capacity for long drive storage...I have tried my latest set up with 3.3 Farads...and of course less voltage...what it does is increase the performance when you install them as side banks crossfiring coils...but the drive by itself (self running) is too short.
The super caps are 4.7F but only 2.7v I need at least 63v if I am running with 48/50v and the caps I am using finish only 1.7 Farads

Try not installing the Capacitor Bank in Parallel to Batteries but...as I have displayed before, for Four Gates Motors...or like:

I have not seen any other supercaps other than 2.7v and the ones greater in volts are too pricy for me at the moment If I install the super caps the way you show I would need heaps of them

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Talking about just C1 and C2 SERIES BANKS...NOT C3/C4 which are Parallel!!

I will have to study this diagram and post a bit closer to make sure I understand it I have been without an internet as my provider went broke and I have not as yet studied all your posts yet

Capacitors are connected to Output Gates in SERIES BETWEEN GATES...or: C1+ to +OUT GATE 2...and Negative(-) of OUT G2 to C2-...then C2+ to + of Output G4...and closing loop G4- to C1 - (end of series connect).

Make a test with your typical capacitors on video (not supercaps) first...and see how it works.
So you will "split" the Bank into Two made of Four Caps each side...and connected to the pure output as displayed above...measure starting voltage and generated with a Meter on each side, like I did on my latest video.

Kogs, I have not tested this Side Caps connection (Cross Fire) with North-South Pair Asymmetric winding type like you have on this MY Motor...so, not sure if it will work or not for the better of performance...only you testing it would know if any advantage over this connect you have now...make sure to take temperature of caps while running...and observe they do not start swelling

The amperage is great under load...however, realize your batteries are 7.2 A/Hour...driving at 10 Amps will reduce running time.

I am going to double the battery size also I am going to see if I can get some of these batteries as they can be charged supposedly wiht a normal battery charger like the car alternator the manager said that I should be able to charge the batteries if I am able to charge lead acid batteries
Products

I would like to see a video of you changing "Gears" with all Four Switches, while Magura is full Throttle...and measure RPM's!
I know such test will require of your assistant...

There was not much of a difference in speed and no difference in amps draw when I changed the gears

I am glad you are getting there so soon!


Warm Regards Friend and say hello to your wife...(I heard her in the background helping you)!
Jill says Thanks

Kindest Regards

Kogs still running behind

[iankoglin]

Greetings Mr. UFOPolitics:

Thank you for getting on this drawing so quickly. I appreciate it.

Now, I'll sit down and study this layout and then do some practice winds with scrap wire. The practice winding will build expertise for the 'final go', and give me some notion of how much wire can be stuffed into this thing.

My goal for this unit is to drive a generator at fixed speed.

Again sir, my thanks.

GlenWV

G'day Glen
From my experience in winding the armatures is that when winding each portion of wind pull the wire very tight at each corner and make sure the wire is pushed tight into the slot and keep each wire parallel to the last wire that way you can get more wire into each slot
I hope this helps
Kindest Regards

Kogs just trying to help