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  • Midaztouch
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    @UFO & Team
    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post

    [IMG][/IMG]

    The latest video (PART 2) shows the above Diagram...except I added the Meters.

    Shylo, you must look at what is going on at Both Coils, L1 & L2...

    First "L1" is just referenced as a POSITION, not a specific Coil...Since Coils are CONSTANTLY SWAPPING...so, Battery never stops feeding whichever coil would be in turn at that POSITION or L1...so "L1" is always being powered...Except for some "nano seconds" or less than...of commutator millimeter gaps...let's not "count" that...

    Second, L2 is another POSITION...not the specific Coil L2...however, L2 POSITION collects the Collapsing Coils reversed voltage

    Therefore C1 & C2 receive a charge from both POSITIONS, L1 & L2 Together, at unison...
    Look again at C1,C2, L1 & L2...don't you see they are ALL CONNECTED IN SERIES?...So, if you open S3, they BOTH (C1 & C2) will STOP receiving a charge.





    Number 3 Video is just going to show SERIES and PARALLEL Supercaps connected...don't expect a "Self Runner".


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    It is VERY IMPORTANT to observe what's going on here...

    First, this MUST FOLLOW A SEQUENCE...where battery turns on by S1...THEN, S2 turns on PARALLEL Circuit with C3...and finally S3 connects the C1 & C2 in SERIES.

    The "Ratio" of charges to C3 does NOT occur at the same speed of charge as the side banks supercaps C1, C2(cross-fired), where C3 receives a MUCH MORE SLOWER CHARGE...therefore, if side bank (C1 & C2) is turned before C3...C3 starts decaying abruptly...(Series starts discharging C3)

    So, the way this MUST GO is, once Motor is running, to charge first C3, (by turning ON S2) up to "a certain specific value or above"...then turn on S3...and even so, when we turn S3 ON, C3 starts decaying...to fill C1 & C2...

    However, when we disconnect Battery...C3 starts "filling up" and C1 & C2 starts decaying...

    So, yes...it is a Game of Resonances that take place here...so, in order to maintain a constant speed, and an increase of charges...we must keep switching between S2 and S3 to allow even disbursement of charges back and forth...

    There is a "point"...an specific point that Motor starts doing a "shaking"...a vibration...when all three coils start pumping at same ratios...and we must disconnect either one of the two circuits to go back to a smooth running.

    Eventually We need Four Supercaps for this testing...and making a test with just ONE Supercap, Pre Charged the same ratio as Battery...and not using Batteries, but this charged cap...and run system until we obtain same Effect...

    I am pretty sure with bigger machines we will obtain much faster and better results...


    Regards to All


    Ufopolitics


    In my previous past posts, I stated that there must be a capacitor at each gate to produce max performance and efficiency.

    As UFO stated,
    For "Reality" testing with simple available means...if we add more Supercaps to our Battery Banks without Switching On-Off Like I did on video...Caps will become a Load to be charged, decreasing Motor performance..and...once Caps are charged...Batteries will become a Load, a Resistance for Caps to disburse Energy...You observed that on my video right?

    In my Third Video I show Batteries and Caps within same Gates, same circuit...plus I show at end of Series discharge run test...how batteries offer resistance to the Performance.
    The above statement is true. However, we still don't have capacitors on all gates in the above diagrams, related vids and later testing! A Hybrid battery/capacitor can replace the stand alone battery(s).

    This is the premises of my whole reasoning: The voltage from the battery dictates the RPMs of the motor through the capacitor circuit. The problem lies within the battery receiving a charge from the generator action. The battery cannot receive a charge like super capacitors can. This negates some the efficiency of the system, causing a much more rapid decay.

    I know that the hybrid capacitors banks are on Orthodox but everything that we have been doing has not been main stream!

    Kogs wrote in his last post
    The Super caps charge very fast they still get their energy from the Battery unless you have blocking diodes stopping them from feeding off the batteries so they get their energy from the Gen portion of the Motor.
    Even if the batteries and super Caps are parallel with each other they still can not last longer than the total of the battery capacity plus the energy that is produced by the gen action of the motor less what it takes to run the motor
    This is the fact finding/observation that I highlighted in my previous posts.

    We have two options for the hybrid for testing; 1.) lipos with an extremely high C-rating. Or 2.) diodes to block the charge into the battery.

    I think we are omitting a valuable piece of this puzzle without trying it first.

    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
    Last edited by Midaztouch; 07-13-2014, 12:46 PM. Reason: Spelling

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  • Ufopolitics
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    About Supercaps, Cell Packs and Modules...

    Hello to All,

    I wanted to do this...a while back (when I responded to Dana's Post (Prochiro)...but did not have the time up to now.

    And now...when am finished with the drawings...Photobucket is going through some "server maintenance"...

    Well, will start writing til they get back...

    It is about how to configure Supercaps in our future Modules according to the desired Total Voltage...then adding parallel Supercaps at each Cell Packs...

    This is the same EXACT Method that it is used on all EV's (Tesla Model S, Leaf, etc) related to how they attach their Lithium Ion Cells.

    Capacitors adding when connected in SERIES and having MORE THAN TWO CELLS or Cell Packs, have a special formula...which is:

    1/C1+1/C2+1/C3......+1/Cn=1/C Total

    Below I've found this useful On Line Calculator for Series and Parallel Caps adding (In Parallel We just Add them...C1+C2+C3...+Cn=C Total)

    SERIES-PARALLEL-CAPACITOR-CALCULATOR

    The first Table for Parallel...We just add on left window, then click "add to total" and will give a RED result at right under "Total C="...Copy-Paste Your Total per Cell Pack , Add then and keep the count in your head......Calculator does not keep that count for Us...

    Photobucket is back...

    [IMG][/IMG]

    On Diagram above...I have set Two MODULES, the Voltage am looking for is over 12V to be installed as Side Banks...

    On MODULE 1 (Left), I only have Two Cells of 300F each, connected in PARALLEL, therefore adding to 600F per Cell Pack...so We see what we get at the Five (5) total Cell Packs connected in SERIES between them...13.5V and 120 Farads.

    On MODULE 2, I have Five(5) Cells of 300F each, connected in PARALLEL between them in the CELL PACK, adding up to 1500F...
    And We see the Module Total is 13.V and 300 Farads.

    This Method for creating our Modules is excellent for Testing Purposes...since We keep adding Cells and reading results in our Meters...as checking Machine performance with Mechanical Loads, RPM's, times to reach top speed, etc,etc.

    One thing We need to keep in mind on larger Systems...is first to check which Cell price Farad Value would be more convenient , previous to start building each CELL PACK.

    The same way that our Lithium Ion Cells are configured...we should build this Supercaps side banks, in order that they are balanced for the whole System equilibrium.

    Related to CMS (instead of BMS, or Capacitor Management System) each CELL PACK, no matter how many number of cells it contains, could be balanced easier at a "PER CELL PACK LEVEL CHARGE/BALANCING", where all are connected in Parallel...with the assistance of Electronics, of course.


    Regards to All


    Ufopolitics

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  • Ufopolitics
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    Great Tests!!

    Originally posted by iankoglin View Post
    G'day UFO and Team

    No I do not have any 6v batteries
    I have done the tests and up loaded to YouTube Here

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN0m77_Yu1Q

    I noticed that the Amp two Capacitor Bank Amp meters do not show the current Why I do not know
    Also the small DMM's seem to fluctuate I could not understand why but since uploading this video I did some testing with a 16p 4S Modded MY motor using some Super caps and Batteries and I also had the same problem with the small DMM's I changed them to the larger ones and they worked just fine so I think the smaller ones may not read fast enough to get the average amps/volts

    My Camera Operator/Test Driver is getting very impatient she wants me to hurry and finish Nessie

    The Large caps I purchased are a bit too large for Nessie so I will put them in my Bicycle

    After experimenting with super Caps it looks like to me that no matter what size they are you really need the motor to output just what the motor is using

    Kindest Regards


    Kogs still here with all his hair

    Hello there my dear friend Kogs!


    First thanks so much for doing all this work for Us!!

    We all know it takes a lot of time to put all this circuits together in real time...and making it so neat for all of Us to observe...many thanks friend!

    And...Tell Your Driver that we are trying to make Nessie much better than You have gotten so far...in order that She will be driving this beautiful Tricycle for as long as She wants...without stopping to find a nearby place to sit down and wait til Nessie gets some charge to drive Her back home...Then,ask Her if this attribute we are trying to get installed...is not going to be lots of fun?...

    First, couple of things We all must realize and have in mind, before going in detail about this great tests...

    1- Kogs is using regular Electrolytic Caps...Not Supercaps, and yes, that makes a big difference in the Power Density Handling at the Capacitive Side Banks...meaning, no matter how much voltage is Generated by Machine...Caps are LIMITED when it comes to capturing-Storing that produced Energy...or could call them "Spikes"...never, regular Electrolytic would perform like Supercaps do.

    2- Kogs is using the Old North South Winding Type on his MY1016 ...and NOT the All North Type...and the difference between both type of windings is huge Guys...I have demonstrated that FACT in my comparison with the two little RS Five Poles...so I KNOW FOR SURE, Magnified number of poles and bigger machines WILL DO Magnify as well the whole process and seen the effects.

    However We all witnessed an INCREASE in the Batteries at the end of BOTH Tests.

    However, We all noticed an RPM's INCREASE when S2 was turned ON...As well as an Increase in the Caps Voltage Flow.

    On the small Meters Kogs...they are not good my friend, I have several of the similar types, and they all tend to Jump and exaggerate readings at certain point, showing over limit (1 on screen) at certain pulses. It is simple...this meters processors are not fast enough to digest and process all those ultrafast fluctuations.


    Related to the differences between N-S and ALL North...let me put it this way...

    The N-S Generates Voltages...but at the same token it "takes away" some back at the swapping from North to South Rotation at the Spatial Field Levels...That does NOT occurs with the All North Types...so there is not a "Push-Pull" of Flow...but a complete Push...so no taking away, no drawing back power...all Positive Flow...

    Picture a water flow...from a water pump that does exactly this...Pressure Plus(P+)...then Pressure Minus(P-)...where (P+) is greater (a bit) than (P-)...so what happens?...we only get the resultant difference between (P+)-(P-)...which is nickel and dimes end result flow.

    On the All North...all those coils are pulsed SAME FLOW ORIENTATION, same direction, without affecting, drawing absolutely NADA, nothing from the Spatial Fields...so it is always a Positive Pressure, a predominating UNIQUE POLE in the Rotor manifesting as a "Constant"...therefore, no minus but Lower Positive levels...but all Positives...so, there is NOT A SUBTRACTION but ALWAYS ADDING FLOW.

    For whoever that have not seen this Comparison Video between Both Type of Windings...it is below

    COMPARISON BETWEEN ALL NORTH AND N-S WINDINGS ON FIVE POLE RS MOTOR

    And I am not using the Crossfire Battery Side Banks feeding on that Video...nor SuperCaps...but the typical way we have been doing it so far...The following videos show that connect type.

    This Tests you did here are great Kogs!!...since even with this older technology (Typical Electrolytic Caps and N-S Type) we still observe see an increase over time regenerating batteries and gaining speed with the assistance of Caps...wonderful!


    Warm regards Dear Friend!


    Ufopolitics
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  • Zardox
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    You cannot use energy from a battery and charge it at the same time. Eventually the battery would be ruined. I have destroyed a couple in learning that lesson. There would need to be circuitry to shut off a bank, charge and rest each bank similar to a Tesla switch.
    It is curious though how the batteries climbed higher in voltage after they had rested. I wonder where they will sit after they have rested for say 24 hours.

    Keep up the good work Kogs! Can hardly wait for the next vid.

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  • iankoglin
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    Originally posted by Midaztouch View Post
    @Kogs

    That you for always leading the charge! In another life you must have been a great warrior!



    Please Expand/clarify on your observation on above statement.

    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
    G'day Midaz
    Motor without Gen facility
    What I have observed is that no matter what size battery you use the motor continually running takes power from the battery and will eventually stop of course it all depends on the capacity A/H of the battery and the amps draw from the battery that determines how long before the motor will drain the battery so that it stops.
    If you have a large capacity Cap Bank Charged separate to the charged battery the same as above applies

    Motor with a gen facility

    You can have a huge Cap bank along with a battery even though the caps load fast, still the same will take place, the battery and the cap bank eventually will deplete.

    The Super caps charge very fast they still get their energy from the Battery unless you have blocking diodes stopping them from feeding off the batteries so they get their energy from the Gen portion of the Motor.
    Even if the batteries and super Caps are parallel with each other they still can not last longer than the total of the battery capacity plus the energy that is produced by the gen action of the motor less what it takes to run the motor

    So in summary
    Unless the Generator portion of the motor produces at least => to the energy that it takes to run the motor the motor WILL eventually stop

    I have only 2 small Super Cap banks I have configured in different ways they seem to not last very long. but I have seen the difference.

    Kindest Regard

    Kogs still working

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  • shylo
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    meters

    Hi Kogs, Nice setup ,I don't trust my digital meters when running any kind of modified motor. They never give accurate readings when running a test.
    I only have 1 little analog but at least it stays stable.
    Interesting your batteries gained voltage after resting.
    artv

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  • Midaztouch
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    @Kogs

    That you for always leading the charge! In another life you must have been a great warrior!

    After experimenting with super Caps it looks like to me that no matter what size they are you really need the motor to output just what the motor is using
    Please Expand/clarify on your observation on above statement.

    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
    Last edited by Midaztouch; 07-12-2014, 10:18 AM.

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  • iankoglin
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    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    Good Day Kogs!


    Ok, First, thanks Kogs for doing all this Tests!, it would be of great help to all of Us in order to understand all this Tech better...as also, since you are doing tests with N-S Machines, whenever someone of Us make same tests with all North, We could then see/stablish the differences...

    below is the Diagram:

    [IMG][/IMG]

    Let's analyze this circuit in detail...

    First than all, We must realize that all Inductors shown within Machine (L1, L2, L3 & L4) are JUST MOMENTARY GATES, since we understand they are constantly changing/swapping because of revolving at a very fast ratio...that results into PULSES transmitted to the outer components connected to them.

    Based on that fact, I have set Two Amp Meters at Battery Banks Positive conductors, A1 and A2.

    A1 and A2 will reflect similar, but never identical readings (depending on the meter automatic response, speed capturing capability and precision to Milli amps or after the dot positions)

    However, Total Amp Value (Draw) at Input will be Calculated based on the AVERAGE between both Meters.

    V1 and V2 will measure each Battery Banks separately from the revolving Inductors/Coils. And the Total Voltage at the SERIES INPUT CIRCUIT would be V1 + V2.

    Since We have a "Mirror" of Identical (Actually the Same, repeated) Inductor-Coils at Output, swapping at a common/same speed/time, plus we have all exterior components (Caps) positioned/connected identically as Input...then, L2 and L4 readings would be done EXACTLY the same way as Input Circuit Meters Setup (L1 & L3).

    Or...

    A3 and A4 will reflect similar, but never identical readings ...and the Total Amp Value (Draw) at Output will be Calculated also based on the AVERAGE between both Meters.

    And...

    V3 and V4 will measure each Capacitor Banks separately from the revolving Inductors/Coils. And the Total Voltage at this SERIES OUTPUT CIRCUIT would be V3 + V4.

    Therefore, on this WHOLE Circuit, We will consider the Same Revolving Inductors/Coils (or the whole Machine...) as the LOAD for both, Input-Output circuits.

    If We had all Inductors (L1, L2, L3 and L4) Stationary, (like soldered in a circuit board) ...Then, We could easily calculate/verify the parameters by simple Ohms Law...However, since Inductors are revolving/pulsing/swapping through Time, AND within a Magnetic Field...then we would need to Include Time/Speed/Acceleration in our Equations as well.

    THE TESTS:

    All Switches (S1 & S2) are OFF...Caps were discharged and, IF Supercaps are instead of typical Electrolytic, make sure to leave at least a 200 to 300 mV charge...not to create a radical short circuit.

    1- Measure Batteries Voltages while S1 is OFF.
    2- Turn ON S1, while S2 is OFF and Read:
    2a-Amperage on Both Meters.
    2b-Voltage Drop at V1 & V2
    2c-Max RPM's reached after a few minutes of running time (observing if there is an increase through time).

    After We have reached a "pretty steady" speed...

    3-We turn ON S2 (And keep reading Parameters above), PLUS the Meters attached to Output Circuit.

    RPM's normally will drop very low when we turn S2 ON.
    V1 & V2 will also drop to lower values.
    A1 & A2 will increase.

    Now, We need to let System run until catching up to previous/original running speed values as seen on 2c...

    Then read all Parameters again when this occur.


    This testing will give Us all an idea of the Operation of this whole set up.


    Kind Regards Kogs, and again, thanks for doing all this work for Us but, mainly, thanks for believing/trusting in my work all this time!



    Regards to All



    Ufopolitics


    EDIT 1: I have set Two Amp Meter per Input-Out Circuits for more accurate readings...HOWEVER, We ONLY need just One Amp Meter per each Circuit.
    I believe it is interesting to observe how the DC Amp Values fluctuate from one side bank reading to the other...as speed changes a few revolutions.

    On another note, I forgot to ask You Kogs...Do You have Two pretty similar (meaning around same amp/h) 6V Batteries?...That way you could start testing system with 6+6 Volts in the first run...
    G'day UFO and Team

    No I do not have any 6v batteries
    I have done the tests and up loaded to YouTube Here

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN0m77_Yu1Q

    I noticed that the Amp two Capacitor Bank Amp meters do not show the current Why I do not know
    Also the small DMM's seem to fluctuate I could not understand why but since uploading this video I did some testing with a 16p 4S Modded MY motor using some Super caps and Batteries and I also had the same problem with the small DMM's I changed them to the larger ones and they worked just fine so I think the smaller ones may not read fast enough to get the average amps/volts

    My Camera Operator/Test Driver is getting very impatient she wants me to hurry and finish Nessie

    The Large caps I purchased are a bit too large for Nessie so I will put them in my Bicycle

    After experimenting with super Caps it looks like to me that no matter what size they are you really need the motor to output just what the motor is using

    Kindest Regards


    Kogs still here with all his hair

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  • Midaztouch
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    Lipo/Ultracaps hybrid

    @ all

    Sorry guys! I posted the wrong vid of the hybrid lipo/caps pack. It was the middle of the night when I posted.

    Here is the correct vid of a simple lipo/ultra capacitor no BMS!
    This guy used 6 caps directly connected to a lipo. It replaced his car battery
    Also, kids are doing this for their RC cars. It makes the cars more responsive, longer run times and they can use cheap lipos.
    Times are changing
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8miq6sDy0wA

    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
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  • Midaztouch
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    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    Hello Midaz,

    Yes, I agree...however...that "breeding" is still in "the works" to evolution in our World...and it is NOT that simple, like just joining connectors and vualá...it requires Highly Sophisticated Electronic Modulation, Regulation and Controlling between both Modules, my Friend.

    And that is not talking about how many "Legal Tender Notes" it will cost to acquire...

    For "Reality" testing with simple available means...if we add more Supercaps to our Battery Banks without Switching On-Off Like I did on video...Caps will become a Load to be charged, decreasing Motor performance..and...once Caps are charged...Batteries will become a Load, a Resistance for Caps to disburse Energy...You observed that on my video right?

    In my Third Video I show Batteries and Caps within same Gates, same circuit...plus I show at end of Series discharge run test...how batteries offer resistance to the Performance.


    So, all this "On-Off" when is the right timing MUST BE DONE by state of the art electronic controlling...unless you wanna be driving spending more time in your switching and instruments reading...than paying attention to the road?...

    Take care friend, got to make some LTN (Legal Tender Notes)...


    Ufopolitics
    UFO

    Have a great day! Make money! We Need it!

    The lipo/cap hybrid packs are becoming popular and most are NOT using BMS. Even young children are doing it now. They just keep the voltage under the caps voltage. I havent seen any fires or malfunctions yet.

    Everyone is keeping it this simple
    Replacing My Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V BoostPack Update

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8miq6sDy0wA

    Take a RS NiCad battery and connect it directly to an ultra capacitor. There should be no problem.

    Speaking about the 5p RS, let me put my foot all the way in my mouth
    I can't stop thinking about this; I see the one Hybrid running the whole system. Is it possible to connect the gen output cable directly to hybrid input and the hybrid output to the motor input? Creating a loop. I believe one maxwell 350f can handle the charge and discharge at the same time... If I'm correct, we won't need any switching or instrument reading. Please test it for me. I want my 2 cents validated!


    I know how to build the Imperial all north group windings... You taught me! But I'm going to have to play a support role.(Until we get to building a professional prototype) Because The Monster is going to produce some serious electricity! I don't have the proper test equipment... And my wife was worried about me getting electrocuted... Damn it, I shouldn't have told her about the all north's gen action.

    UFO thank you for your time. It's always full of wisdom!
    Midaz
    Last edited by Midaztouch; 07-11-2014, 08:07 AM. Reason: Correct vid posted

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  • Ufopolitics
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    Dialectics towards Development...

    Originally posted by Midaztouch View Post
    Ufo,

    I going to have to stand strong on my thought.
    But I LOVE THAT!!...

    That is the Principle of Evolution!...The Dialectics of Development!

    The capacitors can be discharged and charged in that time frame that we need. We have multiple gates and each gate needs an ultra capacitor bank. The all north should never reach 100 amps in the system @ 160 v

    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
    Yes!, love Your idea, please keep it very strong...but prove it...

    So go ahead and "make my day"...lol...

    Finish Your Imperial All North...Buy the Maxwell Supercap Module and RAM IT!...

    You know our motors can take the heat of 160V...even more the all north type...they will not burnt crispy like a Symmetrical Closed Loop will...

    So, by all means...go for it... !!


    Regards


    Ufopolitics

    EDIT: P.D: Just make sure Imperial is seriously and tightly attached to the test bench...rubber mounts if you could...and high speed bearings...
    Last edited by Ufopolitics; 07-10-2014, 02:31 PM.

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  • Ufopolitics
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    Battery-Capacitor Hybrids...

    Originally posted by Midaztouch View Post
    I thought about this problem. The solution is the battery/capacitor hybrid. This one unit combo will keep the gate capacitor banks "topped off". Preventing rapid decay. We must have a capacitor bank at each gate and that includes the battery input gate. Hence forth, the lipo/cap bank hybrid


    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
    Hello Midaz,

    Yes, I agree...however...that "breeding" is still in "the works" to evolution in our World...and it is NOT that simple, like just joining connectors and vualá...it requires Highly Sophisticated Electronic Modulation, Regulation and Controlling between both Modules, my Friend.

    And that is not talking about how many "Legal Tender Notes" it will cost to acquire...

    For "Reality" testing with simple available means...if we add more Supercaps to our Battery Banks without Switching On-Off Like I did on video...Caps will become a Load to be charged, decreasing Motor performance..and...once Caps are charged...Batteries will become a Load, a Resistance for Caps to disburse Energy...You observed that on my video right?

    In my Third Video I show Batteries and Caps within same Gates, same circuit...plus I show at end of Series discharge run test...how batteries offer resistance to the Performance.


    So, all this "On-Off" when is the right timing MUST BE DONE by state of the art electronic controlling...unless you wanna be driving spending more time in your switching and instruments reading...than paying attention to the road?...

    Take care friend, got to make some LTN (Legal Tender Notes)...


    Ufopolitics

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  • Midaztouch
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    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    Hello Midaz,

    I separated your comment on that Maxwell Module on this post...so I comment strictly on my opinion about it....since it is important We understand how to build/assemble Supercaps Modules.

    In my Opinion: Very "Poor Thought" Architecture.

    Maxwell Supercap Module of 160V and 7 Farads...SEVEN FARADS!!...That Capacitance, at 150 Amps burst delivery...will not even spin motor for nano seconds friend...that is very low farads...that will not last nothing...nada!

    The Right Architecture when building Supercaps Modules, is to add several Parallel Single Cells (2.7V Units) (based on our demand, and calculating number to use of course) at CELL PACKS to then be added (in reality subtracted..) in Series connection for a bigger Farad rating at the Module End Total Output without even touching Voltage rates...

    The same Design Architecture is used with Lithium Ion "Super Modules" for EV's like Tesla and Leaf...

    Quoted from Tesla Model S Wikipedia Battery description:



    Regards Midaz...


    Ufopolitics
    Ufo,

    I going to have to stand strong on my thought. The capacitors can be discharged and charged in that time frame that we need. We have multiple gates and each gate needs an ultra capacitor bank. The all north should never reach 100 amps in the system @ 160 v

    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
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  • Ufopolitics
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    Originally posted by Midaztouch View Post
    Hi UFO,

    Yes, I think that electro magnets would be best for the A1 Mo-Gen. Would it be better for a Flying machine to use a brushless MAG3??
    Yes, a MAG 3 Brushless will work excellent...wow!...I did not even thought about that combination honestly...

    Yeah, the 160v caps banks weigh 5kgs each, super light weight! Since it has a relatively low farad rating, max 7farad. They could be charged and discharged in seconds while maintaining enough amps in the system to keep the motor at full power continuously under load.... Could you imagine the RPMs @ 160v!? Holy *hit it's going to be high!
    Yes that is understood, about 7F fast charging...but the same way it would be a very fast discharge also...so do not think about being there for such long time...

    Why do you want to store energy in the side banks? Are you thinking about connecting some auxiliary equipment to it? Like the electro magnets, stereo, air conditioner, lights?
    Re read my post to Kogs above...but I will "detail" here again.

    The point of Supercaps is to charge them to max operating speed/torque (as batteries do) first...in order that they "take over" higher percentages of Machine Operation (this occurs "automatically" -no electronic controlling required- with side banks-all north systems)...so then, We just need to "Drop Pulses" of our Battery Banks and achieve longer running times with the same exact performance.

    For the RS Tests/Videos...I ordered also some 3.3F 2.7Volts Small Supercaps...and if I would have use them...none of you guys would have ever noticed the 'Effect' for the Time you all observed with 310F...just because 3.3F "blows away" in Milli seconds.


    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz
    Regards


    Ufopolitics

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  • Midaztouch
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    Originally posted by Ufopolitics View Post
    Good day there Kogs!!,


    The point of using Supercaps -so far- in alternate Side Banks, is to get them charged UP TO Running Batteries Speed/Torque IN ORDER TO SUBSTITUTE in a HIGHER PERCENTAGE their Contribution to Machine Performance...therefore, REDUCING the Battery Supply to considerable LOW outputs/demand without sacrificing performance...BUT, so far, I(We) have not being able to achieve "That Effect" of raising Supercaps Volt/Amps Ratios while running NOR self accelerating while System is JUST ON CAPS...I (We) have witnessed "The Effect" on Batteries...but not on Caps yet...They(Caps) still suffer a DECAY through Time when batteries disconnect...So, it still needs Battery Assistance so far...just a little...but still We need to use it this way...and further on We need to try -once we reach operating speed and torque- to start electronically pulsing Batteries Supply Banks with our controllers...to reduce -even more- the disbursed energy from batteries.



    Kind regards Kogs!


    Ufopolitics
    I thought about this problem. The solution is the battery/capacitor hybrid. This one unit combo will keep the gate capacitor banks "topped off". Preventing rapid decay. We must have a capacitor bank at each gate and that includes the battery input gate. Hence forth, the lipo/cap bank hybrid


    Keep it Clean and Green
    Midaz

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