My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[DadHav]

John,

You've had a lot to say in the past but now you don't have anything to say. Come on, stop that nonsense. This is all about learning and sharing.

I asked you a question on a wind that I don't have any experience with. I want to know what you think. Also, you have your own ideas. I'm interested in them. Be cool

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

Hello Richie. Being quiet seems to be more trendy than ever here these days. After reading a few of your posts I prepared a very long answer but then figured it was just a long summary of everything I said here from the start. I'm not going to renew everyone's irritations with me. I'm not here to barge in on UFO's ideas and impose my own either. I noticed you said the 2/5 wind was the last thing to try. Have you admitted you believe the 5 pole motor does not exhibit any signs of being a better motor than the OEM? Sorry but I don't share anyone else's enthusiasm for the situation as it looks today. I'm still here waiting for proof of concept for what was presented and claimed by UFO. I have not been able to provide any positive tests myself. So yes I'm keeping quiet until I think it's time to speak.
John

[prato_braun]

mechanical replica of assymetric principle

Hi UFO and friends,

everything here is way over my head but I still enjoy your builds and discussions.
Today an artical about a vortex permanent magnet motor of zerofossilefuel cam to my attention which seemed to be a mechanical replication of the assymetric motor design.
I just wanted to ask if this correct and maybe it helps with the understanding and leads to new ideas.

Vortex Field Permanent Magnet Motor

All the best,

Prato

[Lightworker1]

Ufo

I'm bored! I want to build something but I only motor I have is the huge Imperial. Copper wire and test equipment are super expensive & special order in Japan!

The used stuff is just a few dollars less but very outdated and witten in all Japanese. Japan is run by giant tech companies and Universities.


Don't worry, I will reread you answer several more times

Hello Midaz, things will change.
Count me in on joining your Imperial Motor Build (hoping for all NORTHS)

Will products from next door China be any cheaper for you?

Here are some pictures of my kit.

I just recently completed Part 1 of my Goldmine Motor



(The damaged rotor while in shipping was later replaced)





Warmest regards


lightworker

[warrensk]

Just an idea....

Hello all,

I built a 16 pole motor back in the day, it had an output that was interesting in the sense that it could set things into oscillation....So since then Ive been investigating resonance and the type of energy that is associated with magnetic fields that dont cancel themselves out...The breaking of symmetry is the key to unlocking this energy. These motors have it, and so does a vortex coil...

This is a bit off topic but I thought it would be interesting to give you guys this idea of matching a frequency with a physical structure....This goes back to some of teslas older patents where he used a motor and a tesla style coil to transmit energy into the surrounding medium....What I have also noticed is that when standing waves are allowed to manifest....they impress their energy on the environment around them....

All these motors seem to have a resonant frequency too. Every time the next brush hits the generator output there is a ringing. In this ringing is the resonant frequency of the motor.

So heres a recent video I made applying tesla's magnifier theory to a vortex coil in oscillation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nad...GIELnsPi1OTOog

So now imagine the generator output of the motors connected to a coil that was 1/4 the wavelength of the resonant frequency of the motor...

The neat thing is when a frequency gets a physical structure to resonate with, its oscillations are impressed on the surrounding medium...Thus putting energy into the sea of electrons all around us. This also, could, maybe..create more energy available by the use of receiving coils. The energy from the oscillation is freed into the environment.

Could these motors also be used as frequency generators of low impedance?
Can they be used as a driver for tesla coils?

I think they might be able to. And when the generator output is stored rather than lost, could the motor run a lot better?

From my experiments, it very well could.

Applying this concept could magnify the output of these motors....Which could be rectified and fed back into the power supply or stored somewhere else...The point is the magnifying part...

warrensk

[Midaztouch]

Hi Midaz

I realise the timing advised for 'pairs' differs from 'lapped groups' but...



happy hunting

mark

Hi Mark

Wether it's 1 coil, 2 coils(pairs) and 3 or more coils(groups) the "timing" will ALWAYS be set from the first coil bi-sector in the direction of rotation.
It's that simple.

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[HuntingRoss]

That's not going to work. The motor will be fighting it's self.

From your image, the "Timing" on P1 is the Dark Blue upper left coil. It has to be energized after it passes the magnet bi-sector to keep steady rotation

Hi Midaz

I realise the timing advised for 'pairs' differs from 'lapped groups' but...

...and start playing with the alignment towards more repulse, here on diagram is set at Neutral Fire, right between both stator poles bottom gap....and your needle to adjust timing here is based on the common slot at Pairs Center, where P# are written.

happy hunting

mark

[Midaztouch]

This is the timing for the rewind when I have the new wire -

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I will also try it retarded by one segment which puts it a cats whisker below the magnet bisector.

happy hunting

mark

Hey Mark

That's not going to work. The motor will be fighting it's self.

From your image, the "Timing" on P1 is the Dark Blue upper left coil. It has to be energized after it passes the magnet bi-sector to keep steady rotation

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[Midaztouch]

Hello Richie, I'd probably have to decline comment on any winding suggestions that are other than what is subscribed by UFO. Personally if I where to spend more time on this I would do anything possible to design something that doesn't use brushes. I'm still here waiting to see something that makes me want to get more involved but it's just not materializing yet.
John

John,

You've had a lot to say in the past but now you don't have anything to say. Come on, stop that nonsense. This is all about learning and sharing.

I asked you a question on a wind that I don't have any experience with. I want to know what you think. Also, you have your own ideas. I'm interested in them. Be cool

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[DadHav]

Hey John
Now I understand why a lot of experience builders had failed North north tests. You guys wound the motor wrong.
The north south (NS)motors have the strongest torque but they are very hungry.
The north North(NN)has weaker torque because of the factory timing and thinner wire gauge

You have a lot of experience building motors. What did you think of my windings proposal @2/5? It's the only option left.

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

Hello Richie, I'd probably have to decline comment on any winding suggestions that are other than what is prescribed by UFO. Personally if I where to spend more time on this I would do anything possible to design something that doesn't use brushes. I'm still here waiting to see something that makes me want to get more involved but it's just not materializing yet.
John

[HuntingRoss]

This is the timing for the rewind when I have the new wire -

[IMG][/IMG]

I will also try it retarded by one segment which puts it a cats whisker below the magnet bisector.

happy hunting

mark

[Hitby13kw]

All North Imperial question

I have been very busy working on a fascinating material I will be displaying very soon on a separate Thread...not related to Motors, but to Generators...and actually, not even specifically about Generating Machines...but, about a very new, novel way to Induce Electricity from Magnetic Fields...yes, another type of Induction.

This Induction is completely different from all we know so far...so, Machines that uses this concept are also very different...

I am working on building small scale Models to demonstrate all it could do...plus all related written Diagrams and Graphic/Visual Material.


This is a reason why I have not been that "active" on this Thread as before...

At the same token, I really do not have the time either -at this stage- to be that active, on simple structured Motor Designs explanations and responses.


...and I hope you will understand when you all see what am talking about...


All I recommend is to tighten your seat belts, for the ride is coming soon...

UFO & Team – Can't wait for the new release . . . but maybe I should . . .

Many apologies for being off the grid and not at my home lab for so long. Sometimes life is like that and we are unable to control the circumstances, but that’s another story for another time and place.

Now is the time to get serious with this new All North winding configuration up scaled to the Imperial. To that end we have already contacted Dyann and have an unblemished shaft-rotor and new Commutators in hand.

Have a few " honeydos " left to catch up on before we get free time in the shop, but we are close.

UFO have you developed any other pictures of the winding sequence for the Imperial other than what you’ve already posted?

Been trying to keep up but may have missed something important.

Hitby13kw

[Midaztouch]

Hey John

Hello Midaz, my first wind covered two legs in one direction then the next two in the same direction rather than changing so two would be north and two south.

Now I understand why a lot of experience builders had failed North north tests. You guys wound the motor wrong.

The next wind was as per specs and was represented in my video. The last wind on the motor was the one that had an overlap on the center of three legs and was all north (left to over center and right leg to over center of the three legs). In summary I still do not share the same opinion as others who might be satisfied with their tests.
John

The north south (NS)motors have the strongest torque but they are very hungry.
The north North(NN)has weaker torque because of the factory timing and thinner wire gauge

You have a lot of experience building motors. What did you think of my windings proposal @2/5? It's the only option left.

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

[HuntingRoss]

Beast #4. One stator. 2 comms back-to-back rotors (bonded) no gaps.

Wound as all north pairs...and salvaged from Sunday's abortive test by ONLY re-hooking the comms to adjust the timing. This motor requires to be re-wound to be (3+3)...It is currently (4+4)

14 turns 4 pole per coil...28 turns per pair...12 pairs...0.8 ohms per pair.

5.4v PSU no load
4.95v @ 3.82A @ 3215 rpm with 1.97v out.

10.35v PSU no load
9.6 - 3.0v @ 4.50A @ 8215 rpm with 4.8 - 1.9v out

No torque test tonight.

The voltmeter readings were jumping all over the range and the motor was steadily warming up...I'm assuming arcing is the problem here.

The acceleration was slow starting and torque on a simple resistance test was quite low. The timing is too close to attraction and could be retarded by 2 segments (maybe 3).

I have more wire on order and will rewire this when it arrives to correct timing and 3+3 poles.

happy hunting

mark

[DadHav]

Hi John

Yes, I think 4 legs will not work properly. To clarify things. How did you wind the 5pole with 4 legs? One big coil or two coils or...?


Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz

Hello Midaz, my first wind covered two legs in one direction then the next two in the same direction rather than changing so two would be north and two south. The next wind was as per specs and was represented in my video. The last wind on the motor was the one that had an overlap on the center of three legs and was all north (left to over center and right leg to over center of the three legs). In summary I still do not share the same opinion as others who might be satisfied with their tests.
John

[Midaztouch]

UFO

And if you are referring to wrapping just One Coil per Two Poles, STILL, you will be forced to Overlap them.

Yes, yes, this is exactly what I was trying to say. One coil per Two Poles tied to comms and finished. Next coil overlaps the first coil and so until all 5 coils are completed. When one coil is energized it will be focused on repel. By the time that coil disconnects, it will be intering the neutral zone. That's far before the next magnet bisector.

I've read your post, to me, several times. And yes, you did go over it with me before. I understood it then and I understand it now. Sorry for the misunderstanding and that you had to waste your valuable time to go over that twice

I'm looking forward to your next creation!

Keep it Clean and Green
Midaz