My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[Lester444]

Hi Lester,
great setup!!!!! great find!
Your notion regarding bisector alignment.
Did you calculate the angles regarding brush and commutator segemnt being centered? (coil energizing takes place before!)
Did you regard that the electric contact instantiates half segement rotation before? (The enrgizing takes place exactly in that moment when brush and commutator sement touch first time)

Pleas specify your sight in order to get us all tought.
JohnS

Hello JohnS,

Now that you mentioned it, I realized that I was measuring timing angles relative to the centerline of the brush. On this motor the commutator element and the brush encompasses an angle of approximately 24-deg and that's my error right there. If I look at it this way:

(The enrgizing takes place exactly in that moment when brush and commutator sement touch first time)

......... then my actual angle is equal to half of 24-deg = 12-deg (centerline of brush), less 10-deg brush holder setting, giving me an actual angle of 2-deg ATDC "when brush and commutator segment touch first time".

Thanks for showing me how to look at it!!!


@UFO,
Yes it runs slower now ~4,000rpm @ 14v input. I'm sure it will run faster at 24v but I don't see the need to go to higher speeds right now. It used to run at >10,000rpm with 7v input but it started to melt some of the brush holders so I decided to rewind with smaller wire & more turns.


Lester

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Raphael37

All of what you wrote sounds interesting.

But I am not a builder, I AM more of a thinker not a tinkerer.

Hello Raphael37,

Being a Thinker...without been able to make reality out of your dreams, your thoughts...giving Life to your ideas...your Theories will be confirmed...but not only that...Your Thinking will become "provable" by others...
And that Raphael...is wonderful...once you are able to make it happen...
Becoming a "Maker"...a Tinkerer...like you have written...joined with the Thinker...is the perfect combination to knowledge acquirement, beyond whatever "They" told You was "Your Real and Only Environment"...

I share them both...and I enjoy them as you have no idea...

I believe that..."I am not a Tinkerer"...has a very high dose of Laziness...simple as that...however...we all have a Tinkerer since we are born...

Let me remind you that Einstein never built a thing in his life either AND he had a fella by the name of Lorentz to tutor him on the math, and other fellas to build the bombs that had some foundation in his idEAs.

Einstein is not a Genius I have followed...nor I admire...His Main Relativity Theories are still Theories...never been proven...they are hollow...full of numbers...formulas...but nothing real ever made based on them...what good for?...nada.

Nikola Tesla was a Thinker...a great one...BUT, He was a very Hard Working Tinkerer, an Inventor...a Genius of making His Dreams Material...and they worked...ALL...NOW, THAT is a REAL EXAMPLE of a Genius...Einstein was never even close to that Level of Intelligence...

Hendrik Lorentz, was financially supported by other Interests, not to say He was "Bought Out"...as also Einstein was looking for "someone" with a Real Scientific Background...and reputation...to prove His Vacuum Empty Theory...His "C" Light Speed...and all that Non Sense Mass Square times C...will give Us "Energy"...never happened, never will...we lived based on a lie, studying a stupid, Air Based... flowing in the Clouds..Theory...all this time...

So having put my cards on the table the reason I AM responding to this thread is because you used the magic word ASYMMETRY.



ASYMMETRY is KEY
I have been saying that for years.
“Left Hand Path=Universal Asymmetry=Right Hand Path” « Reconciliation of Science and Religion

However that was then (July 3rd 2008) today I have an ASYMMETRY modEL I want to share for those who like to tinker.

This 'JUST IS' modEL I am serving up collides with several of the 8 Auspicious Signs of the Buddha, with the work of Viktor Schauberger, Hans Jenny, Jay Harman, Roger Penrose and Ed Witten, and even the NAZI Bell.

This is what the modEL is based on, it is a very simple design.
It is another fine example of bio mimicry in fact.



The information at this link explains/illustrates why we can associate all of those great thinkers AND tinkerers with what 'JUST IS'
NAZI BELL – Viktor Schauberger – Hans Jenny – Roger Penrose – Jay Harman – Crop Circles all ‘resonate’ on Twistor Theory « Alternative Thinking 37

rEMEMber what Viktor Schauberger said:
"Comprehend and Copy Nature"


So the SS miSSion impoSSible is to take what 'JUST IS' and build on it.

Is it a coincidence Tom Cruise and ME share the same birthday?
July 3rd = 73 or is it 37
Does it matter?
37 x 73 = 2701 = gematria value of the first 7 Hebrew words of Genesis

This is a Risky Business ya know.

selah

I have shown here...and obviously...you were just "guided" or caught your attention by a simple word...ASYMMETRY...but You Missed "The Best Part(s)"......IF You go pages back...search for My Spiral Of Life...watch my 3D videos...enjoy My Diagrams...and you will see Spirals there...

Lorentz taught Electromagnetism from a very limited 2D or Two Dimension World...and whenever He referred to a Third Dimension...He would draw a Plane, in order to show a rigid Vector...or a Tensor in 3D...never conceived the 3D Dynamic Volumes that are the REAL WAY Electrodynamics and Magnetism Manifests...in our World....and they are ALL Asymmetrical...But He was "Not Paid" to do that...but to hide it...to create a "Better" Theory...like Einstein....and the crowd applauded Him for doing that...

Let me just say this as an example...I found a Dynamic Spiral...a very Asymmetrical one...it works, it spins...at great speeds...it contradicts many "Theories"...many "Laws"...and I feel great, that I have been able to prove it...to see it working not only on My Lab...but in many other places around this beautiful Planet...isn't that great?

However...there are, and "were", certain "behaviors"...that I still did not "see", therefore, could not understand...behaviors that "Do Not Make ANY Sense at all"...but then I realized...I was thinking without a 3D Dynamical View of this "Phenomena"...in my mind...And there WAS "Another Spiral Within the Spiral"...that did NOT followed same flows...and still Both Spirals rotated related to each others...I still have to proof this am talking about...I won't til am sure off...how?...by making it happen...and verifying it was right...


Anyways Raphael, thanks for posting here, it IS Indeed a very interesting Field...and We could be here exchanging posts for days...however, this are not the intentions of this Thread...here, we are most Tinkerers, makers...experimenters in Real time, Real Life......So, if you decide to make a Real Spiral...and watch it spin...by all means, we will help you here...


I have another Thread that I created to discuss about Asymmetry and Symmetry...in the Theoretical and Political side also...So, if You are interested... post there all this interesting Material, and I will keep responding there ...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...c-systems.html


Regards and Light


Ufopolitics

[machinealive]

howdy folks,

I'm not home right now and can not check anything, and it's killing me.
I feel I should post this after watching the last video several times, and reflecting.
Something does not seem right the more I look at the video and the scope.
I don't want anyone to go spending money on those fets, i would listen to John stone and look for larger voltage fets, why?, because looking at my scope on the video, I get the feeling the fets are fried. I should have tried turning on the motor with controller off, to see if switches were working. They were just fets i hacked out of something, there really are much better fets out there, I would feel bad if someone spent money on these fets and they are no good for what we want.

I am going to buy the Arduino, and build what John Stone tells me to build, He's the man, I'm just a hacker .

In terms of the increase in RPM, I can't think of why that would not be right, if it wasn't changing slightly, I might think it was inaccurate, but it was adjusting, so I feel that 9000 was correct. Could the fets frying, have caused a spike, which would increase RPM?

I don't know, until I get home, but something just doesn't seem right, I'm sorry if you guy's already spent money on these fets, and they're cooked.

I was gonna wait to post those videos until i got home, and i think I should of now. I would get a mechanical switch, like UFO used, until you get the John Stone monster driver built, or your spending money on things that may not work right.

Someone else, look at the scope and see if something looks wrong. I just have a feeling, ya know!

Machinealive

[Raphael37]

I have shown here...and obviously...you were just "guided" or caught your attention by a simple word...ASYMMETRY...but You Missed "The Best Part(s)"......IF You go pages back...search for My Spiral Of Life...watch my 3D videos...enjoy My Diagrams...and you will see Spirals there...


Regards and Light


Ufopolitics

there are quite a few pages here...and its not like turning pages of a book.
as the author you might have some idea where the best parts are?
I would appreciate some idea where to begin to look?
thanks

by the way would you be interested in seeing the *simple* asymmetrical design of motor/light mill that can turn a disk 4000 times its own size, and the direction of the motor can be induced to go either direction (clockwise vs. counter-clockwise) using 'light frequencies'?

not many people seem interested...in this design which appears to be fundamental to how nature works.

selah V

[Raphael37]

Hello to All!

I love how we are getting there so fast in replications...



Regards to All


Ufopolitics

'comprehend and copy nature' suggests we should give this setup a look.

what is this modEL based on?

the earth's magnetic fIELd and DNA (cadaceus)

forget the '25' comment ... found it

selah V

OX

[Ufopolitics]

What You have done...

howdy folks,

I'm not home right now and can not check anything, and it's killing me.
I feel I should post this after watching the last video several times, and reflecting.
Something does not seem right the more I look at the video and the scope.
I don't want anyone to go spending money on those fets, i would listen to John stone and look for larger voltage fets, why?, because looking at my scope on the video, I get the feeling the fets are fried. I should have tried turning on the motor with controller off, to see if switches were working. They were just fets i hacked out of something, there really are much better fets out there, I would feel bad if someone spent money on these fets and they are no good for what we want.

I am going to buy the Arduino, and build what John Stone tells me to build, He's the man, I'm just a hacker .

In terms of the increase in RPM, I can't think of why that would not be right, if it wasn't changing slightly, I might think it was inaccurate, but it was adjusting, so I feel that 9000 was correct. Could the fets frying, have caused a spike, which would increase RPM?

I don't know, until I get home, but something just doesn't seem right, I'm sorry if you guy's already spent money on these fets, and they're cooked.

I was gonna wait to post those videos until i got home, and i think I should of now. I would get a mechanical switch, like UFO used, until you get the John Stone monster driver built, or your spending money on things that may not work right.

Someone else, look at the scope and see if something looks wrong. I just have a feeling, ya know!

Machinealive

Hello Machine,

First I am glad You are "still here"...and you are not home...

Let me tell you what you have done...that ANY of Us here have tried/made before...

You have Isolated one side of your motor...to re-use our Input Energy...by storing it "momentarily" in the Capacitor Bank when you Parallel connected the Output Gates to Caps Bank...I "saw" the effect the second time when you cleared up, that you were not inputting power to output.

Every Individual Output Coils is creating... for a very short time...a Resonance with Caps there, while there is also a dual flow (in-out) of energy at each interval from coils to caps, then back from caps to coils...This exchange assisted the rotation in great measure, as everyone saw there.
Even if your FET's fried (and if they did...they were fried by closing source-drain, otherwise Motor would have stopped if open), so the FET's...really do not matter here...they are just switches...fried, but still conducting...not pulsing though.


I tell You that I have only reached the 9000 RPM's by FEEDING BOTH, Output and Input Parallel ...and...at 48 Volt Battery Bank.

I believe We could start testing from your Cap Connection Design, on even smaller models...with very successful results.


I believe the Key here is in our Capacitor Bank...and tell you what I did...I ordered Two Capacitors as the ones on the Mecc Alte.

Manufactured by CAPACA
25uF
425V 30000 h/cl. A
475V 10000 h/cl. B
500V 3000 h/cl. C

This Capacitors are NOT Starting Motor Capacitors...and they are NOT Motor Running Capacitors either...They are special Caps...designed for Brushless Generators without exciter coils, and they could retain/store Energy for very long term of hours (10,000 to 30,000 h/C.L.) and are specified in their labels...And they are NOT Polarized.

We just need to charge this Caps once...when new installed on Generator...then it could be 6 months later in storage...we turn it on...and they retain the power to energize Coils-Rotor Stators...and they are ALWAYS connected to Energizing Coils...

I realized We actually do not need longer/higher capacity caps...since they are just using that storage capacity for very short periods of time...

Caps will be here next week...then I will try your set up...and see what we get then...

If they do create that effect you have obtained...then I will add the second Cap to Input Gates...to balance the Resonance-dual flow on both sides of the Machine...and then let's see ...


I am pretty sure this will be a success my friend...but have to test it first.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[machinealive]

resonance/harmonics

Hi UFO,

Well, I thought at first that maybe I hit a resonant point, or a harmonic, that would really be ideal, maybe someone could calculate wire length/cap resonance. But I was adjusting the duty, in a possibly non-working fet, and it did seem to be changing speed as I adjusted. Could I have been inputing at the controller somehow, since it was shorted?
This is just some things I have been thinking about. I wish the probe didn't come off the motor output, but it was on initially for that run and less then input, you could see that.
What if I didn't video that run, I may never be able to re-produce. Who would believe me, I wouldn't believe it, I still don't know if I believe the RPM?
Man I wish I was home.

[Ufopolitics]

Hi UFO,

Well, I thought at first that maybe I hit a resonant point, or a harmonic, that would really be ideal, maybe someone could calculate wire length/cap resonance.

I think you did "Hit a Spot"...

But I was adjusting the duty, in a possibly non-working fet, and it did seem to be changing speed as I adjusted. Could I have been inputing at the controller somehow, since it was shorted?

Like I wrote before...if FET's were shorted...closed, of course...no duty, no frequency could be transmitted to Input...it was just a Straight-Linear Feed.

This is just some things I have been thinking about. I wish the probe didn't come off the motor output, but it was on initially for that run and less then input, you could see that.
What if I didn't video that run, I may never be able to re-produce. Who would believe me, I wouldn't believe it, I still don't know if I believe the RPM?
Man I wish I was home.

The RPM's You recognized it "iso facto"...when you heard the difference in sound...you were impressed, we all did hear that 9000 RPM sound...I know it very well...Motor seems like is gonna come apart...

But hey, no sweat, we have here Prochiro (Dana)...He have same Caps same as yours...and same Modified Motor...He could try that set up...Right Dana?

I do not have eight 2200 uF that High Voltage...I think...I may look around...

Just Two Replications offering same result...will become a FACT.

I would try first just feeding linear-straight feed...and watch it...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[machinealive]

I just watched again. At very end I can see that the laser of the tach is, is ,is , pointing right at the shaft, so that RPM, I have to say is correct. But, But, I am sure i could hear the speed increase as I adjusted the duty. The controller was 12 v, I know it was across the neg, just before the neg battery terminal, could it somehow pull the voltage up but only at output coils, since input voltage was visible, and did not increase.

[Ufopolitics]

I just watched again. At very end I can see that the laser of the tach is, is ,is , pointing right at the shaft, so that RPM, I have to say is correct. But, But, I am sure i could hear the speed increase as I adjusted the duty. The controller was 12 v, I know it was across the neg, just before the neg battery terminal, could it somehow pull the voltage up but only at output coils, since input voltage was visible, and did not increase.

Machine,

I just made a test with 8 1000 uF/100V..but they were in series...however, I got similar effect...a sudden take off...I re tested three times more...same thing...however, not at your "level" cause you had higher Caps and a more sophisticated pulser than my Solenoid...
The Meter at Caps never went above 27-30V...

I tell you something else now...I manually disconnected and hand pulsed the Caps side...She really flew then..and Tach went Wacko...digital display went crazy...

Weird Uh?...love it!

Can't wait for the Generator Caps to arrive!


Regards


Ufopolitics

[machinealive]

I wish I was home, I wish I was home,... I wish I was home

WTF, it didn't work.

[Donald Haas]

Hi All,
Could someone please post UFO's photobucket link.
I've wasted an hour failing to find it.

Thanks,
bro d

[prochiro]

Hi Donald
ufopolitics's Library | Photobucket
Dana

[Donald Haas]

Hi Donald
ufopolitics's Library | Photobucket
Dana

Thank you Dana!
My 1st tread mill motor came and it is a 16pole rotor with 2 brushes.
Need to understand this.
bro d

[esesenergy]

nobody wants to sell me an assym. motor so can someone post a link to the best schematic n drawings to building one?