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**noises** · 01-31-2011, 01:43 PM

Awesome sauce :thumb: Today Tonight is a bit of a trashball show, really quite, I don't know, in (un) credible? But, a lot of people also watch the show, and more to the point, Australian mains power is growing more expensive by the month so you got the exposure at exactly the right time. Great news, really positive, thanks for passing it on. (I don't even watch today tonight.

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It is a national prime time network current affairs show, after all.

**FRC** · 01-31-2011, 02:38 PM

Another Power Saver

About a week ago, on the local television news, there was a story about the
the provincial government's owned power company offering energy saving devices. In Saskatchewan, Canada we use engine block heaters when its cold for cars to start easier.
(right now it is about -35 C) The devices are selling for $75.00 and what they do is adjust the current flow to your block heater depending on the outside temperature. So as it gets warmer you have less energy draw. At the time I saw this, I wondered if this could be used for other electrical applications. Anyone have any ideas ?

FRC

**ztec2002** · 01-31-2011, 03:22 PM

is there an x prize for free energy

i was just wondering if there is a x prize for a free energy device.
cherrs

**sucahyo** · 02-01-2011, 05:07 AM

Ashtweth, do you know the internal capacitor value of the motor in this power saver video:
YouTube - Earthwise Power Saver

In here power saver is sold start from $3. Or $30 on average.

Some report gain but not satisfying enough for them. Some find plugging 10uF capacitor to the wall is good enough.

**ashtweth** · 02-03-2011, 03:02 AM

Hi Noises, sucahyo and ALL

@Noises., Today tonight reaches a lot of people, in fact after that show the web site crashed, so its objective to get info out if they play your script.

@ sucahyo No i don't know the cap value

Thing is, (we are dong a new video to help explain this) there is no doubt that PF boxes reduce the network cost of delivering power, the power companies claim in industrial cases where there is poor PF means they have to lay bigger cables etc, so they penalize you... i have the power company admitting it saves about 1% of power in the total meter box IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA..however most claim to be able to a certain percentage of power, i guess it comes down to the conditions<-----, whether you can save those outrageous claims of 20% etc etc depends on circumstance..

BUT WHICH PF RESIDENTIAL HOME POWER SAVER COMPANY TELLS YOU THAT IN DETAIL? some may LEAD the PF which will result in more amp draw.

Ill be filming some more this weekend and doing more tests, what they DON'T tell you is that reducing harmonics is related to cleaning up dirty electricity ..if you have a grid connect inverter and get headaches cause of that dirty square wave. You can add filters.

They also claim

> A reduced power factor does not mean lost electricity, it means that the phase > of the electricity has been moved away from the the optimal of 100%. The costs > of this inefficiency are real, but they are in the distribution losses to the > utility, who must deliver the power and then receive it back.

Take some thing and improve its PF you will draw less amps, now you will also have to ADD the PF value with a residential meter box according to here!
So no savings! dont know if thats accurate
NIST Team Demystifies Utility of Power Factor Correction Devices

What they say seems to be true though, that is to say if power factor
correction devices do change the phase angle more then that will counter the
reduction of current and the meters do measure phase angle and current, if
there is tons of current but zero phase angle the power company won't charge you.

Then this
KVAR Power Factor Correction in the Home is a Scam

VERY confusing....

BTW guys THE OPEN SOURCE community was represented here in another V\interview we did, Veritas magazine

Hotfile.com: One click file hosting: Veritas Magazine Panacea feature (HQ).pdf

Ash

**ashtweth** · 02-03-2011, 03:48 AM

I think its the responsibility for the POWER COMPANIES to put in residential PF boxes and voltage optimization for power savings
Voltage Optimisation Cockburn Powerstar Energy Management Systems Gonna make a noise about this next TV.

If you can optimize the voltage and freq to save power and use cap boxes to lower the harmonics (dirty electricity) and improve the net work cost of the power companies -ALL of which results in LESS OF A CARBON FOOTPRINT. (public health)

Then why is the responsibility on the consumer to buy these when its power delivery related? The consumer can be fooled by people selling "power savers devices", the electricity corporation must know through engineering what works its THEIR RESPONSIBILITY , so now we must put it on them. :-)

Ash

**sucahyo** · 02-10-2011, 02:31 AM

Ashtweth, would PFC is useless for home user apply to roto verter and power factor correction of CFL too?

Have you try to monitor your house power meter with and without rotoverter?

Any plan to retake air conditioner test by monitoring home meter speed?

**ashtweth** · 02-10-2011, 03:35 AM

Hi sucahyo

The RV is always run from solar panels with an inverter my friend, we use a drill and water pump for demos, PFC reduces the amps in the RV yes. As for these boxes in the residential home its a Grey area for us, on one hand we have the power company admitting to us it doesn't work, then on the other hand they say it does but only saves 1% in a residential case, then they admit that it reduces their network cost of delivering power.

We know PFC is relative in the INDUSTRIAL scenario, they penalize businesses as they have to lay more cable with bad PF. But can they generalize that every home will have the same PF and appliances and will only save 1% ?

Hmm, also can power companies such as earth-wise say , we can save you up to 35%? Well these would obviously be under certain conditions, can we reproduce the proof under these conditions?.

Well i dont see any other way besides getting a house with watt meters and running them all for a week, then comparing the watt meter to the house power meter(measures kilowatt hours not KVA) and get a calibration.

Watt meters will be 5% or less out its stated on the packet. Then do the same loads logged and turn on the PFC box and see how many watts and the kilowatt meter read. There really isn't any other house test we can do with the equipment we have. The house can be a lab, but you need the equipment to measure.

The argument is, does PFC save WATTS in the residential home, i cant seem to find a definite answer.

Ash

**sucahyo** · 02-11-2011, 05:50 AM

Thanks for the info.

I wonder if the type of meter also change result.

In here it is common to have the electricity bill rise if your meter being replaced with newer one. An analog give slower reading than digital. Maybe only with digital house meter people can get gain with PFC. Maybe digital meter is more sensitive to noise than analog. But who knows if it bill KVAh or KWH.

I think if the house meter experiment should also mention the type of meter and the photos too.

**ztec2002** · 02-11-2011, 06:21 AM

fuel injected cars

is there a kit or book for installing a geet system on a fuel injected car i would love to install one just to cheak it out. i drive about 300km a day or more,just to do my job.if the geet system saves about 10% in fuel iam istalling it in all my compony cars thanks for this site. I feel like experimenting again,

cheers

**ashtweth** · 02-18-2011, 08:10 AM

I found the answer, the only way a power factor correction device will save you money IN THE RESIDENTIAL CASE is by reducing the losses (IR) in the cables, like in the industrial cases this will be very small in the residential case(maybe 1%), so the 5-35% claims are pretty out there

I contacted specialist in PFC and asked them here is the answer i got.
hope it helps please read

Hotfile.com: One click file hosting

Ash

**noises** · 02-18-2011, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by ztec2002 View Post

is there a kit or book for installing a geet system on a fuel injected car i would love to install one just to cheak it out. i drive about 300km a day or more,just to do my job.if the geet system saves about 10% in fuel iam istalling it in all my compony cars thanks for this site. I feel like experimenting again,

cheers

Hiclone Australia, Hiclone Catalog - Australia Hiclone - Fuel Saver || Fuel Economy

Depending on the type of car you drive, a hi-clone can improve fuel efficiency by between 10 to 20%.

**sucahyo** · 02-19-2011, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by ashtweth View Post

I found the answer, the only way a power factor correction device will save you money IN THE RESIDENTIAL CASE is by reducing the losses (IR) in the cables, like in the industrial cases this will be very small in the residential case(maybe 1%), so the 5-35% claims are pretty out there

I contacted specialist in PFC and asked them here is the answer i got.
hope it helps please read

Hotfile.com: One click file hosting

Ash

Thanks for the info and link

.

Originally posted by noises View Post

Hiclone Australia, Hiclone Catalog - Australia Hiclone - Fuel Saver || Fuel Economy

Depending on the type of car you drive, a hi-clone can improve fuel efficiency by between 10 to 20%.

From their website:

The only fuel saving system which has been copied by car manufacturers..................And we are in business since 1989.

That is around the same time Mitsubishi launch Lancer Dan Gan with cyclone from entry to exit. Cyclone is now on truck line up.

Even if the cyclone do not reach the engine, it will still boost power, mentioned by Ted Ewert who create his own version for his car.

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