Biofeedback

[musingmus]

Hi
its been a while since ive posted on here- but i was curious and hoping that someone here will have some knowledge on biofeedback- neurofeedback in particular.
I know this section is for quantum biofeedback- which ive done many times and never felt a shift or change in me from it. I wish it had done something for me, but al it did was put a huge huge dent on my credit card.
nonetheless, im still trying new modalities and going back to old ones.

my newest one, yet to come is doing neurofeedback and i would really love to hear what anyone has to say good or bad about it.

IM SO EAGER for a change in me. its been years now, so many years and i just want to feel peace and happiness.

Please let me know your thoughts on this, as my first sessions is scheduled on wednesday of this week.

thanks and i hope to hear some good feedback here.

[alitell19]

Hi Musinmus,
I do not know much about biofeedback or neurofeedback, as a matter of fact, this is the first time I see these terms. But I know if you are looking for peace and harmony in yourself you can fine it at Vipassana Vipassana Meditation: Dhamma Sobhana . Some of my friends and I have done it with good results. Be happy.
alitell19

[musingmus]

i guess no one has any info.

[Kevin]

Hi musingmus,

It is a large subject, neurofeedback, and it is really not much more defined than any other feedback, other than you can view the brain waves on a machine (EEG) while you are being stimulated...whether by images, binuaral beats, EPFX, PATHS, conversation, etc.

Here is a good link on it-

Neurofeedback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your statement

"I know this section is for quantum biofeedback- which ive done many times and never felt a shift or change in me from it. I wish it had done something for me, but al it did was put a huge huge dent on my credit card."

intrigues me.

I know that there have been a small % of people that say PATHS has not worked for them. I have also had a few people say that the EPFX had no affect on them.

With a few of the people that said the EPFX had no affect on them, I asked them if I could do a strong detox on them via the EPFX. They said yes, and lo a behold they started detoxing (no way you can hide a strong detox effect...it is like getting sick).

So, I believe they were experiencing the other benefits of the EPFX, just not recognizing/fighting it.

I can relate to your frustration. I like to see 2+2=4 on the physical realm. Without having had years of experience in TRV, where I learned to trust the data, it would be very difficult for me to believe any of the quantum/non-visible to the human eye things.

I am interested in hearing how your neurofeedback session went!

[musingmus]

Hi Kevin

I have done 3 sessions so far- i will probably do 30 sessions or so.
My doctor is 93 years old and is very well in-tuned. He is so eager to help me and to help my brain so i can stop this maddening depression.

Ill post after i do about 10 sessions.

So far im not feeling a difference. My mind is still resistant and i just feel like im going through the motions of putting the gadget on my head and watching a computer monitor. The Dr. has insured me that it is working.


i really hope this works.

With the Bio-feedback portion, my body is resistance. The breathing portion im having a very difficult time with. Hopefully something will give and ill be able to accept all of it.

[Jimmy Mack]

Qxci Scio

I love these machines. To me they border on artificial intelligence and I have a dear friend who has one and runs in on me weekly in exchange for barter.
Can't say enough good cool things about it!

[Kevin]

Hi Musingmus,

How are the feedback sessions going. Very interested to hear more.

[musingmus]

Hi kevin

So far i believe IM around 8 or so sessions- I've been doing the biofeedback along with the Neurofeedback and i really do not feel a difference in anything as of yet.
I have noticed that my anger has deepened and i feel irritated a lot more than usual. This has affected my current stress level and I've crashed my immune system being so stressed out.

I almost hate to say this, but my depression/anger might be way more powerful than these biofeedback sessions. It hasnt proved to relax me in any means.
IM very disappointed as i thought after a few sessions I would start to feel a difference.

Nonetheless, I'm still going to continue going. As annoyed as I am with the whole process, i really don't have any other option but to continue this journey and pray that something gives.

Im wondering if we did a remote session together, if you would be able to locate or tell me something positive to give me hope for life again.

thanks for checking in- means a lot.

[serenac]

Hi Musingmus! How are your sessions going?

A lot of times depression is really masking really deep, strong, as in I-think-I'll-go-crazy-and-kill-someone kind of strong, anger, or rage, or fury. Anger you either CAN'T admit to having, or are afraid of admitting to. Because perhaps you might be scared if you feel angry you'll do something terrible to someone like kill someone or something. And also hatred, maybe you hate someone very very much or you hate yourself very much, but you can't admit it. A lot of times depression is suppressed anger and hatred.

Have you tried anger therapy? As in, for those people who have problems managing their anger, because they just have too much of it or they don't know how to/are afraid of expressing it?

I don't mean that there is anything wrong with people who feel so angry, on the contrary, EVERYONE feels angry sometimes. Angry enough to kill someone. But some people have learned how to express that anger in ways that don't hurt other people, so they're not scared of expressing that anger or admitting that they have it. Or sometimes people can't admit that they feel so angry because it makes them feel guilty, we've always been told that good people don't feel or do this or that. But that's not true, good people feel the same things as *bad* people do and feeling this or that doesn't make a person good or bad. Everyone feels the same emotions no matter how *good* or *bad* they are. So there's no sense in feeling guilty or like you're a bad person because you feel angry.

Asides from that a lot of times depression can also be the result of biochemical imbalances. If that is the case no matter what other, non-physical therapies you may be trying, they will not correct the physical, chemical imbalances and you will need something that will correct that. I don't know anything about correcting chemical imbalances as I am not a doctor, but I imagine a doctor could advise you on that.

Good luck!

[Kevin]

Hi kevin

So far i believe IM around 8 or so sessions- I've been doing the biofeedback along with the Neurofeedback and i really do not feel a difference in anything as of yet.
I have noticed that my anger has deepened and i feel irritated a lot more than usual. This has affected my current stress level and I've crashed my immune system being so stressed out.

I almost hate to say this, but my depression/anger might be way more powerful than these biofeedback sessions. It hasnt proved to relax me in any means.
IM very disappointed as i thought after a few sessions I would start to feel a difference.

Nonetheless, I'm still going to continue going. As annoyed as I am with the whole process, i really don't have any other option but to continue this journey and pray that something gives.

Im wondering if we did a remote session together, if you would be able to locate or tell me something positive to give me hope for life again.

thanks for checking in- means a lot.

Hi Musingmus,

From what you say you may be experiencing a Healing Crisis...I say this because you state that you are more angry and irritated. There is a little info on it here- http://www.energeticforum.com/paths-...er-health.html

With Technical Remote Viewing, a trained TRV'er can know anything about anything...so, yes, it is possible to find out what the optimum steps are to be and feel positive...also to find out if the root of the bad feelings are physical or something else.

Check out WeFindOut

[musingmus]

hi Kevin

Unfortunately if this was the case with me, then i would be in a healing crises since birth. With all the modalities ive used and have been using, it all seems useless and im finally at the end of my rope of trying anything.
i dont think my brain and my emotions want me to be happy. Ive tried numerous things and NOTHING, i repeat nothing seems or has worked.

Today was my last day of neurofeedback. There has not been any progress in my brain or my negative behavior that there is no use to continue going.
I was basically told that im a lost hope.

anyways, as for the TRV site, im beyond in debt and can not afford any sessions from anyone for anything. and to be honest, no need to pay someone to tell me what i already know.

today i felt very alone, i felt so alone. i feel like this most days, but today was one of those days that i felt god telling me i was alone.

this lifetime really sucks ass for me.

[serenac]

Hi Musingmus!

Have you tried looking into the chemical imbalance thing I wrote about in my earlier post? Although it might seem strange really there could be a PHYSICAL basis for your depression. If that's the case no amount of *counselling* or therapy or whatever would help, you would need to correct your physical problems.

Really hope you get better chum!

[Kevin]

Hi Musingmus!

Have you tried looking into the chemical imbalance thing I wrote about in my earlier post? Although it might seem strange really there could be a PHYSICAL basis for your depression. If that's the case no amount of *counselling* or therapy or whatever would help, you would need to correct your physical problems.

Really hope you get better chum!

+1

The most common physical causes for what you are describing is a lack of sleep/lack of serotonin.

Have you had blood and urine panels done?

[musingmus]

+1

The most common physical causes for what you are describing is a lack of sleep/lack of serotonin.

Have you had blood and urine panels done?

Yes, have done them all. My blood and urine came back normal.

I just feel sabotaged with life. Doesnt matter what i do, it somehow backfires. Anything good that will enter my life, gets taken right out. Ill get good news, but somehow bad news will follow it.
Its like a dark cloud always hoovering over me, and i just cant get a break. IM unhappy, because unhappy events constantly happen. I cant leave my house without something bad happening.
Ive even stayed in doors for weeks, and still bad things would happen.

i sometimes feel im cursed, or someone has cursed me. as soon as something good enters my life, its gone within minutes.

IM not going to take pharm harms to control this, yes im depressed and yes bad things seems to follow me, but taking drugs to suppress it is not my answer of finding a solution.
i need positive things to happen and this will shift me out of my funk.

being alive is not enough positive, as being in my life sucks.

i need good news, something to look forward too.

[serenac]

Hi Musingmus! Glad to hear you're still hanging around!

Well when I said chemical imbalance I didn't mean urine or blood or whatever, I meant more like brain chemicals, not that I know very much about that or how to test for those things, a doctor would understand these things of course.

Anyways, well here are some suggestions that might help you improve. That doesn't mean that they'd necessarily work for you, I don't believe there's any one thing in the world that would help absolutely everyone and everyone is unique and needs different things. But maybe you could:

- Do something wild and crazy that you've never ever done before and that normally you'd never touch with a 10-foot pole. Now I'm not talking about destructive things like taking drugs or racing a car in the wrong direction down a highway. I mean things that would shake you up, get all that negative energy moving, a lot of time feeling bad is just negative energy that's pent up and stancated and stagnant and it needs to move before it can leave. You could go to a discotheque and dance around like mad to the music. It doesn't matter if you've never gone to a discotheque or if discos just aren't your thing, in fact if you've never done it before that's great! All the more reason to do it, for once in your life! Doesn't matter if you've got no one to go with, you could go alone, once you get in who's gonna notice that you're all alone anyways? They're all too busy dancing! (Or doing drugs or chasing after girls or whatever, but that doesn't mean you have to do that! After all discos are places you go to to dance, not to do drugs!)

Or you could go out to the countryside or go for a hike, once again it doesn't matter if you go alone. In fact you enjoy the countryside more when you're all alone with yourself and you can walk at your own pace anyways! Going out into nature is always renewing.

You could do something rigourous like gardening or pottery.

You could take up a new hobby, something you've never tried before.

The idea is to get you out of your head and get you to stop thinking about yourself and all your woes and worries and forget about them for a while.

- You could do something creative or artistic. Now I don't mean you should do something artistic WELL. You can do it just because it's fun, no one ever has to SEE what you do! You could paint a horrible painting, close the curtains and dance around your living-room, write a bad poem. You could cook something without a recipe, no one else has to eat it, even you don't have to eat it if it turns out bad. It doesn't matter how it turns out the important thing is to have fun doing it. You could knit a lumpy scarf.

- You could sign up for some sort of classes, like cooking classes or learn a new language, or audit a course at university. What sort of bad things could happen at a class at university? You can't fail the course, you're only auditing it after all!

- You could do volunteer work. Lots of times we think our life is horrible and miserable, but when we meet other people whose lives are even more horrible and miserable than our own, it makes us feel better, and we discover how fortunate we really are, because at least we don't suffer from _______________ (fill in blank with whatever the other person suffers from and you don't). It also makes us feel more useful and gives us a sense of purpose to be able to help other people. And everyone feels great when they feel needed by someone else!

And just don't expect to improve overnight. No one heals overnight (well except maybe those people who go to evangelical faith healing meetings hehe! ). No, seriously, it takes time, and patience, and not getting your expectations up too high, and doing things slowly bit by bit not all in a rush.
Rome wasn't built in one day either.