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#121
03-14-2012, 09:57 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
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 Originally Posted by T-rex It is generally considered that any wave must consist of a conjugate pair of energies, magnetic and dielectric let's say. Only then an interaction between time and space is possible. As I have shown recently it is through the union of a conjugate pair (L and C) that the dimension of time is produced. The propagation constant is then equal to: (1) Negative Gamma Square Having a pair of imaginary roots, plus j Gamma and minus j Gamma It is however that the JJ Thompson Longitudinal Dielectric Motions cannot have a periodic solution, there is one energy only, dielectric. This needs to be resolved.
That is pretty cool!

The dielectric (the electric field) is a representation of movements of the aether.

The first order movement, steady state flow, is very tightly coupled to gravity. According to Stowe, gravity = Grad E, the gradient of the Electric field. The gradient of the dielectric.

The second order movement are longitudinal dielectric waves.

The third order movement involves rotation. The magnetic field.

The fourth order movement involves rotating electromagnetic waves across the surface of a conductor. The true transverse electromagnetic wave, that like Schumann waves, travel at the boundary of two different media: the metal and the air, or, when in free space, between the metal and the aether. This is what is known as the near-field in antenna's.

The fifth order movement involves vortexes, in such a way that a phenomenon known as "particles" takes place. This is what is known as the far-field in antenna's.

All right.

Now the interesting thing is that with the longitudinal wave, we have no conjugate pair of L anc C.

L represents the magnetic propagation properties of the medium, which represent the properties of the medium in terms of rotational movements in/of the aether. Since with LD waves, we have no magnetic component, we therefore also should not model the magnetic component to be present. In other words: for the LD mode, we have to take L = 0.

So, for the propagation of the longitudinal dielectric wave, you would have to calculate with C and R, the real part of characteristic impedance of the medium.
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#122
03-14-2012, 10:26 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
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 Originally Posted by T-rex There are four distinct forms of energy stored in a winding, Magnetic Pair: L, Leakage Inductance, Henry M, Mutual Inductance, per Henry Dielectric Pair: C, Leakage Capacitance, Farad K, Mutual Capacitance, per Farad The Magnetic Distribution along the coil axis is given by (2) Epsilon to the square root of LM power. It is an exponential curve along the axis. The Dielectric Distribution along the coil axis is given by (3) Epsilon to the square root of CK power. It too is an exponential curve along the axis. LM an CK are time scalars hence it can be seen that these initial distributions at t = 0 give rise to complex energy exchanges because of the exponential space distributions. We have now a fourth order differential in space and time. Alice lands in Wonderland.

I never thought there could be something called "space-time", since it it so tightly coupled to the flawed Einsteinian physics.

But if these 4 energy flows are so tightly coupled to the dimension of time, and everything in nature is balanced, then it is very interesting to have the "per Henry" and "per Farad" energy flows mentioned. These suggest an internal energy storage.

The other 2 flows are in Farad and Henry, which represent the reaction of the aether to dielectric and magnetic force enacted upon it. And that is quite something:

the aether acts as a perfect elastic reflector!

Now if the fundamental laws of nature are supposed to hold at any scale, then we should say that the Universe we see trough our telescopes is nothing but a perfect elastic reflector in terms of reflecting the (di)electric and magnetic energy that we torture it with.

That makes you wonder of who emitted the reflections we observe trough our telescopes. And when?
#123
03-16-2012, 11:55 AM
 kitcar Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 10
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 Originally Posted by packetizer Hi Everyone, I am new to this post so please forgive me if I am posting anything redundant. I have been doing alot of research along similar lines and I wanted to share some info and resources that you all may find interesting. Konstantin Meyls tries to reproduce the Tesla experiment using modern IC electronics which in essence replace the Spark Gap Generator William Jensen takes this to another level with a Pancake Coil setup that also effectively allows you to recreate the Tesla Energy/Magnifying Transmitter tests with simple kit that is a fraction of the price of the Meyl hardware they are all creating what I call A “Pseudo” Longitudinal EM wave here.it still has some low-level transverse component contained within the wave it creates. A pseudo-longitudinal EM wave differs from LEM Wave in that it has finite energy and finite velocity, but its velocity may be less than or greater than the velocity of light in free space. To put this into context, the Meyl, Jensen and Jackson platforms are using their own Signal Generators to generate Longitudinal Waves as follows: William Jensen (See) Simple hardware waveform generator on 1 Watt System at up to 4.72 MHz @ \$300 for system, but totally sold out with no new delivery dates as of yet. New pancake boards for a new 500 Watt System in development to get up to 28.322 MHz, at a system cost of \$2,000 which hasn't shipped yet and no confirmed eta. I'll end this here but I have some further info on Harmonics that will be very helpful to you in terms of creating Quantum entanglement to target specific Space and Constellation target locations for such a Longitudinal trasnmitter which is the final piece of the Trasnmitter equation. regards, A-
Also welcome to this, in my eyes , most interesting topic on the forum
I was in touch with Jensen as well a few months ago (he seems to call himself Bill, or William and he are family).

He told me he was oscillating between 4-8Mhz and gained speeds of 1.2C.
Also Faraday shielding didnt have any effect in the experiments so he told me.

Tesla seemed to reach 1.54C at his colorado springs experiments based on Elf of 12Hz against the Schumann resonance of 7.8hz.

Regarding the so much mentioned pi/2 *C factor Im wondering if the difference on earth and moon should be taken into account in this experiment regarding oscillation settings etc.

I will not contribute much here regarding my knowledge not beeing sufficient enough like Lamares but im following it with great interest.
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03-31-2012, 05:30 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225

Today, we attempted to transmit power from one antenna to the next and it was a total disaster. The antenna behaved just like what was predicted with a simulator and there were no signs of any power transmission other than normal transverse waves we could also detect with a normal dipole antenna.

We tried several adjustments, like soldering a circular top load on the whip and connecting the ground plane of the balun section to the dipole, so we had sort of like a capacitor and nothing changed.

So, back to the drawing board.

I may have to take a look at this TM mode and then somehow get rid of the magnetic component. I don't know yet, but I will think of something...
#125
04-01-2012, 09:02 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
I may have an idea how to continue.

Here is an image of how the field lines look like in a TM mode waveguide, which is very similar to what we intend to accomplish:

Waveguides : TRANSMISSION LINES

As you can see, there are magnetic field lines perpendicular with respect to the wave propagation, which are associated with currents trough the mantle of the wave guide in the direction of the propagating wave, in the same direction as the propagation direction of the electric field.

In our intented longitudinal mode, we get the problem that our propagating electric field also induces a current in the mantle of our wave guide, which gives us a magnetic field and the party is over.

In other words: we have to prevent currents from flowing in the propagation direction of our longitudinal wave. So, we have to make the mantle of our wave guide non-conducting along the length direction. In other words: we will have to wind a coil and use that as the mantle of our waveguide.

I am not looking forward to that, because copper wire is not cheap these days and I will have to wind quite a lot of windings.

Another point is how to construct the bottom of the wave guide. Somehow, I am thinking that a pancake coil as the bottom may be a good idea.

One tends to think in the direction of using a pancake transformer to excite the wave guide, whereby you have one primary winding, which is basically a loop antenna, so it's circumference should be 1/1 lambda. That is where your transmitter couples into. Then the secondary is the pancake coil, which feeds a 1/4 lambda whip from the centre. The outer terminal of the pancake coil could then be connected to either earth or to the coil of the waveguide.

However, I am afraid to introduce unwanted magnetic fields, because the coupling of the primary and the secondary is by magnetic induction and if the primary is a loop antenna, it should also radiate EM waves. Fortunately, the radiation direction of a loop antenna falls within the plane of the winding:
Loop antenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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#126
04-02-2012, 12:38 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
It looks like I may have found another alternative, the helix antenna:

23, 13, WLAN Helix antenna design

It seems to me it should be possible to convert this design to longitudinal use.
#127
04-02-2012, 08:34 PM
 Armagdn03 Silver Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 918
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 Originally Posted by lamare Today, we attempted to transmit power from one antenna to the next and it was a total disaster. The antenna behaved just like what was predicted with a simulator and there were no signs of any power transmission other than normal transverse waves we could also detect with a normal dipole antenna. We tried several adjustments, like soldering a circular top load on the whip and connecting the ground plane of the balun section to the dipole, so we had sort of like a capacitor and nothing changed. So, back to the drawing board. I may have to take a look at this TM mode and then somehow get rid of the magnetic component. I don't know yet, but I will think of something...
Please take a look at the EH / HZ antenna design. Note on this page specifically figure 4, where the magnetic component is CANCELED by the two coils. Transmission through media such as water is easily done, as well as the interesting side effect of not being able to communicate with normal Hertzian antennas!!!

http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf
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04-02-2012, 09:24 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
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 Originally Posted by Armagdn03 Please take a look at the EH / HZ antenna design. Note on this page specifically figure 4, where the magnetic component is CANCELED by the two coils. Transmission through media such as water is easily done, as well as the interesting side effect of not being able to communicate with normal Hertzian antennas!!! http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf
Thanks for that, it seems an interesting concept. However, as far as I understand it now, it uses magnetic fields for radio communication, and NOT longitudinal waves. See:

EH Antenna Systems

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 When a high voltage is applied between the two antenna elements (cylinders) an E field is developed. The voltage is high at the feed point but must be zero at the end of the elements. Therefore, there is a large voltage difference between the two ends of each cylinder. That differential voltage causes a current to flow on the cylinders. In turn, that current causes a magnetic (H) field to surround the cylinders. Now we have the necessary ingredients to develop radiation, which include the E and H fields being physically orthogonal. They must also be in time phase. This naturally occurs because the H field is created by the E field. In other words, while the RF voltage is present (an alternating sine wave) conduction current flows on the cylinder and that current creates the H field.

As far as I can tell now, there is NO WAY to do anything with longitudinal waves by using plain sheets of metal, regardless if they are in the shape of cylinders or not, because electric field will induce currents and thus you get magnetic fields and the party is over.

I have been thinking about how to get a step further, and it seems like a good idea to follow Tesla as close as possible.

He used a pancake coil transformer, with a primary consisting of one winding. I have been looking at loop feeds today (see f.e. HAM Radio of SM6FHZ 432 MHz Feed comparison ) and it seems entirely possible to use such a loop feed as the primary for a pancake transformer.

Tesla connected the outer winding of the pancake coil to ground, so there needs to be a reflector plane underneath the pancake coil at some distance. Something like 1/4 lambda or a multiple thereof. Still have to figure that out.

Now the interesting thing about a Tesla coil as described by Dollard is his "extra coil". That is what should become our waveguide and should have certain dimensions, as I posted here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post186877

So, then this extra coil becomes very much like a helical antenna, only designed for longitudinal use and driven from a pancake coil as the master himself liked to do.

All things considered, it seems to me that it is feasible to make a scaled-down version of a Tesla coil, designed to operate at 1296 MHz and use that as a feed for our dish.
#129
04-03-2012, 08:35 AM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
First step towards a 1296 MHz Tesla transmitter..

I have thought the idea of using a loop feed as the primary in a scaled down Tesla transmitter a bit further trough and made a sketch in the train to work this morning:

Full res: http://www.tuks.nl/img/TeslaTM_1296_MHz.jpg

The "CHS" and "VHS" on the right of the sketch refers to Current Hot Spot and Voltage Hot Spot.

At the (top) open end of an oscillating coil obviously no current flows, so there you have a VHS. For a 3/4 lambda resonating coil, you thus have a CHS at the bottom end.

Since no current should flow trough the reflector ground plate, you should also have a VHS there.

Since both ends of the pancake coil are connected, we should have a CHS at the plane where our pancake coil is.

In other to match these hotspots, given our longitudinal wave propagates along the length direction of the coil, we should have a spacing of 1/4 lambda longitudinal between the ground plane and the pancake coil, and 1/2 lambda longitudinal between the pancake coil and the "extra" Tesla coil.

The primary of the pancake transformer is condisered to be a "loop feed", as is being used by radio amateurs at a/o the 23cm band. See:
HAM Radio of SM6FHZ 432 MHz Feed comparison
New Page 2
Loop feed for 144 MHz
80-20m Magnetic Loop Antenna by Frank N4SPP

This pdf has some very nice construction details for a loop feed:
http://www.om6aa.eu/Loop_Feed_DUBUS_Version.pdf

There are some questions that have to be worked out. First of all, it may be better to use a balun section around the feedline, which could be constructed similar to what I did with my previous antenna.

And we now have two ground connections. One from the feedline, and one from the outer terminal of the pancake coil. I have drawn them to be placed at oppozing ends of the construction, but that may give us some unwanted loop effects.

I have someone that made some simulations of my previous designs. Hopefully he is willing to help with this one too, so we can sort these things out before actually making an attempt to build one.

Update: It seems to me now that we have an LMD or TM wave propagating between the lower terminal of the extra coil and the ground plane, which propagates at the speed of light.

The purpose of the extra coil is to convert this TM wave into an LD wave, propagating at pi/2 times c. So, what this system does is to transform electromagnetic energy into pure dielectric energy.

This means for the design of the system that we have to calculate with a propagation speed of c for all components except for the extra coil.

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#130
04-03-2012, 08:52 AM
 broli Silver Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 530
The other day I have been reading about the one terminal capacitor of a certain Joseph hiddink something that, as far as I know, noone has replicated.

Joseph Hiddink: One-Terminal Capacitor -- Articles & USP#4095162

Now at first sight you might ask what this has to do with your work. Well the idea is to actually, almost instantly, create a one terminal capacitor by "destroying" one terminal of a "capacitor". Or in other words have a charged monopole. This is done without any apparent current flow so there's no magnetic field associated. This monopole can thus radiate its static field outwards, do this in rapid succession and you can have your longitudinal electrical field.
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#131
05-01-2012, 11:17 AM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
Lowrance Weave Coils

Last week, I was at a free energy gathering in France, where someone showed me the coils he used for healing purposes, whereby he used a very peculiar way of winding. He referred to it as cadeceus coils, but that was not what it actually was.

Today, I went googling for more information and found virtually nothing. But, I did find this:

ZPE_Coils
Quote:
 Weave Coil - Designed by David Lowrance based on the description of Wilbert Smiths writings, a coil with each single loop reversed from the one next to it. Loops are placed on the coil form then twisted around one another at each of 180 degree points along the sides of the coil moving upwards. Normally a one layer coil is plenty for a bismuth core to become notably strong using a function generator. This is the coil detailed in the RainMaker vortex generator.

From there, I found finally found some pictures:

Experiments
Specs

This is the way these "Lowrance Weave Coils" are wound:

And this is what it looks like:

This appears to be a very interesting idea to wind the top coil with, because this way of winding should always cancel out the magnetic field to a large degree, so you don't need to worry about how to get rid of the magnetic component in your top (or "extra") coil...
#132
05-01-2012, 05:21 PM
 madhatter Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 457
Lamare,
I've been going over the high energy plasma notes and papers and some unpublished high altitude electrostatic research. What I'm coming away with is that the wave we are after the ES or pure electrostatic wave will maintain that wave type until it 'runs' into a boundary condition where it will convert to an EM wave and the resultant release of energy in photons, x-rays etc..

How to generate such a contained wave is the tricky part, the polarized beam of an EM wave can be guided due to it's conjugate pairing, however the ES wave is in parallel. in a vacuum the energy needed is less than in an atmosphere for plasma's due to the increased efficiency. A pure ES wave would have substantial difficulty in the atmosphere before the vacuum of space, snells N factor law comes to mind again here as it's also adapted to electron potential in QED.

Vacuum tubes are the perfect environment for an ES wave, the glass though is the boundary and subsequent EM conversion point. However the wave can be maintained theoretically within the tube. the tube apparatus then becomes the antennae and you'd need a receptive tube to detect the ES wave modulation.

EM to ES wave modulation is new-old research.

From how I see it, the ES longitudinal wave is not bound in our dimensional time frame, it's effect is only known when converted to an EM wave, thus a ES wave is hyper-dimensional, like the proposed gravity waves, maybe the same thing too. reflecting an ES wave is one area to look into. I'll dig some more and let you know if I find anything.
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05-30-2012, 03:04 AM
 kunkmiester Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 5
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 I just realized that when people want to experiment with this antenna design, it could easily be scaled down for the 2.4 GHz band, so you can use a wifi device, such as a linksys Linux router, for a proof of concept for longitudinal communication.
This is relevant to my interests. I'd love to get this set up, though I'm not familiar with all the math. Just set it up to take the antennae signal from an 802.11 router and convert it. Doesn't matter if it's air or through the earth--house ground would work--if you can do it, and people can connect to it, it'd be cool.

It does make me wonder how resilient it would be though, how hard would it be to intercept, jam, or "radiolocate" a signal?

P.S. it's been a month, how's this project been going?
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01-25-2013, 09:49 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
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 Originally Posted by T-rex From Radio Engineers Handbook:

Uploaded this chapter from the book to my server:

And the full book in pdf as well: http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...20-%201943.pdf

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 Originally Posted by jpolakow Note to Lamare from Eric Dol lard- [...] Steinmetz sphere equations in the "Transient Phenomena" book may be of use. The 1920 edition has the right equations. I think your sphere should be driven by a self resonant coil, cut short to resonate with sphere capacity. Sphere capacity equal to coil self capacity is maximum sphere capacity allowed. Use my formula in "Theory of Wireless Power". No guesswork here, just basic high school math. Forget the physics of gobble-gook. For "Can" antennas if you want what is known as a Transverse Magnetic, TM waveguide mode. Here the dielectric is longitudinal along direction of propagation. See "Radio Engineer Handbook", Terman, and "Reference Data for Radio Engineers" I.T.T. published. Here your waveguide modes are presented. One in particular is very interesting as its lossed decrease with frequency but it is very hard to excite this mode. Check this out as it is directly regulated to your efforts in "moonbounce". Show modes on forum for others to see! Also a "Tao" has his own great representation of the "Four Quadrant" "Eight Pole" representation on forum. 73 DE N6KPH SK
Today, I did some calculations with the formulas from Terman's book, but let's first go to page 253/254:

It says here:

Quote:
 ....the fields of the component waves (the dielectric and the magnetic??) combine in such a manner that the distance lambda_g, as shown in Fig. 120, is greater than the wavelength lambda of the waves in free space. The result is that the fields in the wave guide possess an apparent or phase velocity that is greater than the speed of light.
Aha!

Now what if we want this phase velocity, the "apparent velocity in the guide" to be pi/2 times c, the (postulated) propagation speed of longitudinal dielectric waves?

In table 7, some properties of different propagation modes are given for circular waveguides, the only type of waveguides that support the TM_0,1 mode.

It says a/o: lambda_g = 2 pi / beta. And we want this wavelength to be equal to pi/2 times the wavelength in free space, or:

2 pi / beta = pi/2 * lambda.

This requires beta to be equal to 4 / lambda.

From table 7, we can see the formula for beta as a function of lambda and a, a/o for the TM_0,1 mode, which we take equal to 4 / lambda.

When we work that out, we get:

a = SQRT ( 2,405^2 / ( 4 pi^2 - 16 ) ) * lambda,

which computes to:

a = 0.4963416 * lambda.

(note that a denotes the *radius* of the waveguide, not the diameter)

In other words: if we take a circular waveguide with a diameter equal to the free space wavelength lambda, we get an "apparent" group velocity of pi/2 times c within our waveguide, all according to accepted theory, literally "by the book"

For this diameter, only two propagation modes are possible, namely the TM_0,1 and the TE_1,1 mode.

In this image, you can see the fundamental difference between TE and TM modes, although this is definitely not the TM_0,1 mode, since that is not supported by rectangular waveguides:

Waveguides : Transmission Lines

If you look at the magnetic lines and remember the right hand rule, it is clear that the "current", or aether movement, is in the other direction:

With a TE mode, we get "up and down" "current" or "movement of the aether", while with the TM mode, we get movements along the length direction of the wave guide.

So, it seems like all we need to do is figure out how this TM_0,1 mode can best be excited. Yes, Terman gives some hints, but so far I have not been able to find any detailed information.

In other news, the dish in Dwingeloo has been restored and looks as good as new:

More here, including some vids:
Korte impressie van het terugplaatsen van de spiegel
#135
01-26-2013, 04:34 AM
 Tenaus Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 44
If longitudinal waves aren't shielded from faraday cages, then you could transmit a signal at a power or frequency of which a transverse wave can not penetrate the ionosphere, which would further increase the validity of the experiment.
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03-24-2013, 01:58 PM
 Raphael37 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: wxyz Posts: 273
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 Originally Posted by lamare If you look at the magnetic lines and remember the right hand rule, it is clear that the "current", or aether movement, is in the other direction:
What if?

Something I noticed...
A pattern regarding the simple idea/concepts that divide 'west' from 'east'.

Western religions have always been described as 'linear' i.e. having a beginning point (genesis) and an end point (amen) not unlike electrical flux lines.

....However the philosophical/cosmological theories emanating from the east have focused more on the idea of a 'circular' or continuous evolutionary path for humans dealing with Karmic forces....similar to the idea of magnetic flux lines that loop.

What if we assign the idea and promotion of ELECTRICITY to western ideals (thanks Benjamin Franklin/Telsa and Edison) and the idea of MAGNETISM to the orient which in fact developed the first magnetic compass?

Right hand rules?
Funny how the western religions show a preference for the RIGHT Hand and the Chinese revere the LEFT Hand associated with Lao Tzu, the father of Taoism.

Also the idea of 'longitude', used for navigating the oceans was an idea that took time to develop in the west...
And in fact the intersection where 1 degree of latitude = 1 degree of longitude occurs at 55 degrees.

So what is significant about the number 55?

AHA!
How do we link the number '55' to the double helix called DNA?

namaste
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#137
04-26-2013, 07:50 AM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
Finally some info

Finally found some info on the use of TM mode wave guides in practice:

Directory contents of /pdf/Reference_Material/TM_mode_waveguide/

These are the most interesting ones:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...0US4672387.pdf

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...%20Antenna.pdf

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...0US5369367.pdf

Microwave Engineering 2E - Das - Google Boeken

Haven't been looking at this stuff for a long time. Perhaps it's time to re-think some of the stuff again and think about making a TM mode waveguide horn.

The big question is whether or not we can get a longitudinal wave radiating from a TM mode wave guide. When we use a radius of about 1 wavelength for the waveguide, we should get a phase velocity of about pi/2 times c, as calculated in my previous post.

Will a TM01 mode waveguide with this specific diameter mostly radiate longitudinal waves or will it just radiate plain old EM waves?

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04-26-2013, 04:04 PM
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#139
04-26-2013, 04:27 PM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
We can also use the toroid as a barrier if it doesn't have a conductive path,
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04-26-2013, 04:40 PM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
300Kv On A Television - YouTube
How does this barrier stop 300,000 volts, what is the magnetic, electric configuration.
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04-27-2013, 11:20 AM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
Our main problem using a dc pulse is bemf, not the spike we can catch that into a cap or use a bifilar winding to run it back into the coil, its the magnetic field that the bemf produces it changes direction this stops the flywheel effect we need to pump energy in one direction.
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04-27-2013, 11:42 AM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
If our coil is wound on a toroid (flywheel) the bemf stops the kick by changing the magnetic field direction.
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04-27-2013, 01:01 PM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
In order to create a waveguide we need to eliminate bemf, the only way I can see to do this is use a dielectric to stop the field from collapsing into the coil. We have to ICEolate the coils
A stacked toroid configuration to funnel energy into a collection grid.

The field that causes bemf is collected in the grid, never collapses into the coils, the coils are allowed to create the flywheel.
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04-27-2013, 01:12 PM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
If these toroids were wound using the Rodin configuration we would have a spinning vortex, like water down a drain.
enough rattling today
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04-27-2013, 02:21 PM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
I forgot about the z pinch it applies here as well

Reflection is a problem, pure gold would be the least reflective material I can think of.
Maybe now we can understand why gold has been so coveted down through the ages.
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#146
04-29-2013, 11:49 AM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
Tesla showed us the field
Nikola Tesla - Columbus Egg - 1893 Chicago - YouTube
In the radar basics website I read if you go against the field you gain energy but with the field you give energy to the field, with a magnetron we are giving energy to the field because the free electron spins with the field, but if a Tesla pancake coil were used we could force the electron against the field and gain energy.

Using a ring magnet from a very large speaker and a sphere magnet inside a tube you will find the same field inside the core, it doesnt spin the sphere but does pull from the center out, whats interesting is in the vid above the field seems to pull towards the middle.

Maybe Tesla has hidden the secret in plain site, an energy well all we have to do is iceolate and collect it.
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04-29-2013, 07:26 PM
 Raphael37 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: wxyz Posts: 273
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Dave45 another winding configuration
interesting photo dave

you might be interested in this video then...

video >> The Armenian Wheel Of Eternity - YouTube

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04-29-2013, 08:05 PM
 Raphael37 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: wxyz Posts: 273
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 Originally Posted by Dave45 Tesla showed us the field Nikola Tesla - Columbus Egg - 1893 Chicago - YouTube In the radar basics website I read if you go against the field you gain energy but with the field you give energy to the field, with a magnetron we are giving energy to the field because the free electron spins with the field, but if a Tesla pancake coil were used we could force the electron against the field and gain energy. Using a ring magnet from a very large speaker and a sphere magnet inside a tube you will find the same field inside the core, it doesnt spin the sphere but does pull from the center out, whats interesting is in the vid above the field seems to pull towards the middle. Maybe Tesla has hidden the secret in plain site, an energy well all we have to do is iceolate and collect it.
YES it is in plain site.
Once you know what to look for, you cannot help see it, and its many variations/incarnations.
The swastika Hitler used was based on the geometry of the 5x5 grid.
Same size magic square as the 5x5 square of Mars and the Sator Square.

Tesla the Magician and the Sator Magic Square | Alternative Thinking 37

Well while we are on the topic of swastikas and swirly twirly whirly windings I want to point out something profound pointing us toward something that JUST IS.

Well Dave how do I show that there exists a profound association between that Tesla video, the Columbus Egg demonstration in 1893 and our ancestors who hatched an IDEA at least 6000+ years ago?

So we know this image 'exhibit A' is taken from Tesla's Columbus Egg demo ...
Okay we can see how the Egg prefers to loiter around the center sweet spot too.

Well it is not hard to establish that the swastika since time immemorial has represented to the consciousness of man, the sun and motion. Those two associations we can make at the very least.

So here is 'exhibit B', evidence from Samarra Iraq circa 4000+ BCE. We see it has positioned at the center a symbol representing a spin motion.
a.k.a. as the swastika

And this container is in fact in the shape of a bowl too!

How deep down the swastika hole do you want to go?

Swastika Plate 5000 BC is a Model of the Milky Way | Reconciliation of Science and Religion

To give you an idea of where I have taken this AHA.
The swastika, Tesla, String Theory, Knights Templar are all on the same page hovering around the same ideas.

Story of the W and Z – Sator Square – Twistor String Theory – Penrose & Schwaller & Witten & Wedekind | Alternative Thinking 37

cheers,

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04-29-2013, 09:09 PM
 lamare Gold Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,225
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 Originally Posted by Dave45 In order to create a waveguide we need to eliminate bemf, the only way I can see to do this is use a dielectric to stop the field from collapsing into the coil. We have to ICEolate the coils
I thought about that, too. There may be another solution, which is to use the same construction as I posted about before, the sleeve or bazooka balun:

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Originally Posted by lamare

The idea is to use a radiating "sleeve" or "bazooka" balun, meanwhile preventing the coax mantle to radiate:

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 >Why is it some antenna's have baluns and others have not? The purpose of a balun is to prevent the coax cable from radiating. However, in order for the coax to radiate, there would need to be some radiative component along the axis of the coax to induce current in the coax. A symmetrical biquad doesn't have any such field component. Therefore, a balun is not needed. However, things get a bit different when the balun is used to feed an offset dish. The field is no longer axially symmetrical, and the coax is in the reflected field from the dish. Therefore a balun is probably a good idea with a dish. In general (with lots of exceptions), when the coax cable is in the antenna field, you need a balun. The real question is how much difference does it make? Most of the effect is in reducing VSWR, not increasing gain. With relatively low gain antennas (i.e. biquad with 10dBi gain), it probably might improve things perhaps a few tenths of a dB and is not worth the effort. However, with higher gain antennas, such as a dish, the lack of symmetry caused by a radiating feed could easily distort the pattern, create sidelobes, boresight errors, and VSWR. Also, some antennas are best constructed with 200 ohm feed points (i.e. Franklin antenna). Sector antenne voor Wifi ISM band (2,4GHz) Adding a 4:1 balun solves the balance problem and the impedance transform problem at the same time. You may therefore see a balun on some symmetrical antennas that don't normally require one, but where the impedance transformer action makes one convenient.
Note that longitudinal waves are supposed to propagate along the axis of the whip and coax feed line....

Dipole antenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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 At VHF frequencies, a sleeve balun can also be built to remove feeder radiation. * Another narrow band design is to use a λ/4 length of metal pipe. The coaxial cable is placed inside the pipe; at one end the braid is wired to the pipe while at the other end no connection is made to the pipe. The balanced end of this balun is at the end where the pipe is wired to the braid. The λ/4 conductor acts as a transformer converting the infinite impedance at the unconnected end into a zero impedance at the end connected to the braid. Hence any current entering the balun through the connection, which goes to the braid at the end with the connection to the pipe, will flow into the pipe. This balun design is impractical for low frequencies because of the long length of pipe that will be needed.

Sleeve baluns
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 Depending on which layout is mechanically easier to build and if you want the sleeve to radiate, the sleeve can be connected like this or reversed. In the layout below the sleeve is non-radiating. In a collinear antenna we might want to reverse the sleeve so it forms half of a dipole element. [...] From the above, we observe the following characteristics in a sleeve balun: 1.) The highest possible choke sleeve impedance (largest ratio of balun sleeve diameter to outside of transmission line) is desired. We won’t have a good balun if the choking Zo (ratio of sleeve inner diameter to coaxial shield outer diameter) is small. 2.) The balun requires the lowest possible loss over the length of the sleeve. It forms a transmission line from the inside of the sleeve to the outside of the coax. The coax jacket is a dielectric, so we need to keep a lot of air inside of the choking sleeve or the coax jacket will increase loss and reduce impedance, both being very undesirable. 3.) The velocity factor of the sleeve, based on the dielectric between the sleeve and the shield of the coaxial cable we are trying to balance or choke, is very important to length of the sleeve. The following construction guidelines apply: The cable should have a good low-loss jacket or a very large air or low loss dielectric gap between the shield and the sleeve. Since energy is normally confined to the inside of a coaxial cable manufacturers are not concerned about jacket losses. They use outer materials with long life, not low RF loss. It is advisable to use a filler material with a high volume of air to maximize sleeve impedance and minimize sleeve losses. It is also advisable to use the largest practical diameter sleeve with the smallest diameter coaxial cable inside to maximize choking impedance. The sleeve length has to account for velocity factor of the sleeve, since the sleeve forms a coaxial transmission line with the outer conductor of the coaxial cable it is intended to choke or decouple.
http://web.archive.org/web/201007170...io/sleeve.html (copy here: sleeve1 )

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 The sleeve balun does not give any impedance transformation; it is a 1:1 balun. This is fairly easy to achieve at VHF. All that is required is a tube that is coupled to the outer of the coax at approximately 0.93 X l/4 from the antenna feed point. The ratio D/d should be around 2.5 to 4. The open end of the tube facing the antenna element should be as close as possible. In effect this tube is a shorted l/4, at it open end the impedance looking back down the coax is high, thus preventing RF current developing on the outer of the coax. I have made sleeve baluns using 15 mm copper water pipe and soldering a 'Free socket N' type connector onto it. The l/4 may be less than that of free space l/4, because of the close proximity of the outer tube to the coaxial cable. I found that 468 mm seems to work OK at 2 m, when using RG213 or URM 67.
What's this weird antenna called? - RC Groups
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 What people wanting DIY a sleeve balun should know, is the fact that the sleeve must be at some distance from the coax, and this empty space must be air, not a plastic insulator ! The RC-cam antenna done using the coax mesh to simulate sleeve balun is one of the most popular but flawed example of how to not make this, because the balun part is so close to coax, making it zero efficiency. [...] Not quite correct. The distance between the outer conductor and the inner conducter need not be air. It can be any dialectric or insulating material, it is just that the spacing has to be adjusted to accommodate the dielectric constant of that particular insulation material. [...] The thing weird revealed:
Note that the presence of a dielectric in between the outer conductor and inner conductor influences the propagation speed of the waves, which means the length of the sleeve must be adapted to that. And indeed, it is better to have some space between the inner and outer conductors, which is preferably air in our case, since we want the outer conductor to be part of our 1/2 wave dipole....

Also see:

Antenna Theory - Bazooka Baluns

In principle, such a bazooka should also work when mounted around a TM mode waveguide. It appears to me that it should be possible to kill the magnetic component of the propagating TM wave using such a bazooka, or at least to prevent it from radiating the magnetic component out into space.

But I have to think more about this. I will first see how far I can get with simulating a TM mode feed along the lines of these two documents:

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...0US4672387.pdf
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...%20Antenna.pdf

I am currently running a simulation with a waveguide of 23cm diameter, a probe of 1/4 lambda and a length of 48 cm. When that works out, I will see what happens when I add a "balun".
#150
04-29-2013, 09:57 PM
 Dave45 Platinum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,504
The field is there its verified tech, the magnetron shows that, we just need to tap into it.

Using the ring magnet the field moves from the center out but the Tesla egg it looks to move from the outside in, very interesting.

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 Job 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
They use radar to detect how much ice is in a thunderstorm this tells them how much electrical charge is in the thunderstorm, they say the ice bumps into each other causing a charge separation.
I personally think the ice kicks electrons from the earths magnetic field and this causes a charge separation.
The ice is the perfect dielectric, I was worried about reflection but the ice should stop any kind of reflection.
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