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Old 03-06-2012, 03:59 PM
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And it came to pass, thru the years of 1978 to 1982, that the occurrence of a certain sequence of events took place at a small coastal town called Bolinas, California:

Within my laboratory at R.C.A. Bolinas, I had just completed my first full size Dipolar Tesla Transformer. It was a 500 kilovar unit. This was the product of efforts beginning in my childhood. The objective, physical realization of “Cosmic Superimposition”; the verification of the “Theory of Creation”. This seemingly harmless endeavor was to create for me a life of eternal persecution, even before I started!

Two very important visitors arrived at my BL laboratory, Philo Taylor Farnsworth III, and his mother, the wife of the “Inventor of Television”. They had come to see the “Galaxy in a Lightbulb”. This visit was encouraging, however soon after I was shut out of my BL Laboratory by R.C.A. The Tesla Transformer immediately vanished, and Commonweal destroyed most everything else over a period of time.

Earlier in life, my San Francisco Laboratory at 1360 Howard Street was obliterated, and my stored gear at Pier 3 in Fort Mason was junked. About 10 tons of R.C.A. gear was lost forever. To finish it off Commonweal smashed the rest left behind at R.C.A. Bolinas, about 30 tons total. Soon after my Radio Propagation Laboratory at Sonoma State College, with its priceless R.C.A. dual diversity receivers (SSB-R3) vanished to the winds, this along with surviving R.C.A. records and notes, including the complete blueprints for the 1919 Alexanderson Network. Some of the notes were by Alexanderson himself. All gone. Then R.C.A. went to the bottom like the Titanic. Not much different than my life now IS IT?! But I was only 30 years old that time around, in the cycle of the Continuous Destruction of my efforts. Afterwards, I lived in a box in the bushes in the Town of Bolinas, foraging by day and crawling back into my hole at night, a Human Rat. I actually learned to enjoy rat life, and it had many advantages not found in so-called “Real” Life. But the women in the “Real” Estate office did not like it at all. The box in the bush was close to a house owned by some crazy guy who claimed his father invented Television. Right, and I am Nikola Tesla. One day he invited the rat inside.

When I first met Farnsworth, we were not likely friends. I was an “R.C.A. creation”, and R.C.A., aka David Sarnoff, was the Arch-Enemy of the Farnsworths, this for good reason. I may have been a Human Rat, but Philo did not look so cute either. Years of his own Commonweal Harassment, along with drugs and alcohol, had left Philo a complete wreck. However, I had lived with this on the street before, so it was fine. As the gallon bottle of wine found its way into our bellies our discussion turned to favorite “Sea Tales” of self edification, and the boasting began.

After attentively listening to Philo’s account of how he got into M.I.T. at age 16, this without his parent’s knowledge, I knew I was “one upped”. My tale was only of R.C.A. at age 16, and my parents and school helped. But maybe I did have an even better tale. Next I expounded an event of childhood in the laboratory of my parents garage. My half of the two car garage was crammed with a Few Tons of combined R.C.A. gear from Bolinas and Navy gear from Standard Surplus in S.F. The assemblage was connected directly to the main terminals of the house circuit box. During the intervals in which the parents went out for guaranteed periods of absence, my high school buddies would arrive. It was time to play “Nuclear Meltdown”. Nuclear Meltdown was great fun and looked like an episode right out of the 1960’s T.V. show “Outer Limits”. That was our primary aim. It was however also the dread of the neighbors. Now only did playing Nuclear Meltdown dim the lights in every house on the block, but it also wiped out Television reception for miles. I later learned in the Navy that Nuclear Meltdown even appeared on the Radar Indicators at nearby Hamilton Air Force Base.

Philo convulsed a bit at this point in the story, but not because it was a better one. The radar effects meant that playing “Nuclear Meltdown” created a Controlled Fusion Reaction! In Philo’s mind my connection with R.C.A. was not an issue anymore. I had replicated his father’s fusion work and the Farnsworths had kept this work a secret from public knowledge. Well, you don’t know any better when you are a kid, do you? (Don’t try it today).

It was however that my own interests were more Electrical than Electronic, and Farnsworth was indeed the “Master of the Electron”. My own work, this within the giant Cathedrals of R.C.A., with their Megawatt Polyphase and High Frequency Power Systems, led me to Tesla and Steinmetz, the masters of electricity. Also, the Cosmic Inductorium, as it is properly called, is a Goethean concept, where the Farnsworth Fusor is a Newtonian concept. Farnsworth’s work was outside of my field of endeavor.

My own efforts at this time were directed towards the Steinmetz Versor System, this leading to a better understanding of my Experimental studies and Discoveries. But Philo took an unexpected interest in my Steinmetz work. He and his mother had just finished with their efforts to start a postage stamp series commemorating “The Four”, Farnsworth, Steinmetz, Armstrong, and Tesla. But this was only a historical interest, who cares about the Electricity in the Square Root of minus one anyway? But Philo did, and he made a noteworthy remark: Philo stated that “if you were to develop a system for the Hyperbolic Functions, rather than the Circular Functions, then you would have found the Holy Grail of Electrical Engineering”.

He offered no explanations on this remark but then gave me one of his father’s books. It was “Physics and Mathematics in Electrical Communications” by Perrine. This was the genesis of my work in Versor Alegebra. Now 32 years later, here we stand, in the same hole. Break, more to follow.

DE N6KPH

References,

(1) "Physics & Mathematics in Electrical Communications”, Perrine.

(2) “Farnsworth Writings” of Vassillatos.

(3) "Distant Vision", Elma “Pem” Farnsworth.

(4) “Empire of The Air” P.B.S. Video.

(5) , (6) are Censored, (E.P. Dollard)

(7) “Bolinas Barbera Boxer” E.P. Dollard.

(8) “Borderlands”, Outer Limits T.V. Program.

(9) “Die Kunst Der Fuge” BWV 1080, First Fuge, J.S. Bach.
Eric, I want to thank you for sharing this, you obviously did not have to. I also feel it has been very informative and covers a lot of information. J.S. Bach "the art of Fuge" is somewhat ironic as although 'unfinished' you have to start at the end in order to start the piece.

Did you work with electron optics as Farnsworth did? not the "electron" verbage of today but the De Broglie wave function pre-the solvay conference.

The hyperbolic function is still a 2d representation of the 3 dimensional function, did you find it limiting?
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:48 AM
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Ask Mr. Wizard

Here are some answers from Eric for questions people have asked:

1) Sensitive Device; a rotating glass tube filled with nickel chips. Chips weld to provide a conduction path upon a received impulse. Rotation clears the weld for the next impulse.

2) Break, or circuit controller; an ultra high speed, mercury contactor. A mercury stream is chopped in order to break current path and then reclose it. Speeds up to 10 micro seconds at currents to several hundred amperes. This part of Colorado Springs has never been acknowledged, let alone understood. In the photos it is the drum up in the air by the recirculating coil.

3) Thomas Clockwork; a time piece for the use as a frequency standard of a known omega.

4) "Symbolic Representation of the A.C. Wave", E.P.D.; a shipyard engineering paper, not a book really. E and I, as well as the rest, P, etc., are readings on the scales of electrodynamic , or moving vanes, switchboard instruments. Navy power switchboards contain numerous instruments (relays, meters, etc) for the analysis of complex power flow. The instrument knows not of the actual derivation of e, E, i, I, only the net effect.

5) PI over two; this factor appears twice in the Crystal Radio Initiative, C.R.I. The (20%) secondary coil "effective" propogation velocity is the velocity of light in the space in which it occupies. Here the Pi over two factoris an offsetof a unit value to shorten the winding to compensate for the heavy external loading that the secondary is loaded with, that is, the external inductance and capacitance from the earth and extra coil connections. The aspect ratio of 1 to 1 on the extra coil gives an "effective" propogation of 187% the velocity of light, hence the winding length must be made greater in order to get a quarter wave resonance at a higher speed. This is brought down to Pi over 2 percent, 157%, the velocity of light to compensate for the burden upon the extra coil, this mostly arising from the dielectric upon which this coil is wound. The secondary is Pi over two shorter, the extra coil is Pi over two longer. Golly Mr. Wizard that's Pi squared over four! Do not hunt for magic where it is not, this is all experimental. So go experiment.

6) 62% spacing; an empirical factor, no hidden cosmic secrets here. For its origin go to "Radiotron Designers Handbook", by R.C.A. in Ausstralia. The article "Short Wave Coils" is the basis for the 62%, and the article "Self Capacity of Coils" gives the table for self capacity and the hyperbolic variation with coil dimensions. Referenced are coil pioneers, Butterworth, Medhurst, Autstin, and many others.

7) Conductors; metal does not conduct electricity, this is a primary mind virus. When it is e, or i, the metal bounds the electricity, when it is E, or I, the metal translates the electricity. This is an extremely vast subject so wait. Resistance is NOT one over the conductance. No it is not! The ability of metal to "conduct" is in direct, not inverse, proportion to the square root of the resistance of the metal. Also the more the metal "conducts" in this manner the more the surrounding E.M. wave is slowed. Thus large deviations from the luminal velocity are found in transmission systems in which the physical mass of the conductors all take part in the flow of electrification.

8) Underground vs over ground. Two identical Tesla units will not compare. They cannot receive E.M. waves. For over ground use a conventional crystal set with a dipole, not a ground Marconi antenna. A loop type receiver is even better, a big loop over ground and a big star radial underground. Thus a dipolar connection over ground, a monopolar connection underground. The Landers Mojave Research Installation used a beverage over ground and a wideband Alexanderson underground.

9) The energy required to drive a crystal diode is the same as a telephone signal. So amplifiers are not a way to make it more sensitive. A conventional A.M. radio coupled to the Tesla Transformer is the proper way to add gain (electronic gain) to the system.

73 DE N6KPH
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:06 AM
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TMT Coils & Beeswax?

In the AEPC 2009 conference video Karl Palsness refers to a book where Tesla dedicates an entire chapter with very precise instructions on how to treat high frequency coils.

The instructions are a bit peculiar and I am wondering if anyone knows which book this is from?

- Wind coil in paper form that absorbs the wax
- Put coil in a "Moderate" Vacuum of 29.5"
- Heat at least until 1.5x melting point of wax
- Then introduce liquid wax into vacuum
- 30 PSI pressure on coil while the wax cools
- Impregnate BOTH the Primary & Secondary with wax

Apparently intended results from Tesla's coils are significantly reduced if the above procedure is not followed. I don't know if Tesla was doing this to the TMT later on in his career or some other coil arrangement's with a Pri & Sec?
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:42 AM
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In the AEPC 2009 conference video Karl Palsness refers to a book where Tesla dedicates an entire chapter with very precise instructions on how to treat high frequency coils.

The instructions are a bit peculiar and I am wondering if anyone knows which book this is from?

- Wind coil in paper form that absorbs the wax
- Put coil in a "Moderate" Vacuum of 29.5"
- Heat at least until 1.5x melting point of wax
- Then introduce liquid wax into vacuum
- 30 PSI pressure on coil while the wax cools
- Impregnate BOTH the Primary & Secondary with wax

Apparently intended results from Tesla's coils are significantly reduced if the above procedure is not followed. I don't know if Tesla was doing this to the TMT later on in his career or some other coil arrangement's with a Pri & Sec?
In the book "The Nikola Tesla Treasury", published in 2007 by the Wilder Publication, LLC. PO Box 3005, Radford VA 24143-3005, www.wilderpublications.com, Tesla goes into some detailed explanation on treating Disruptive Discharge Coils with paraffine oil before use. See pages 127, 128 and 140 for example. So it is plausible to assume that the wax treatment has served a similar insulating purpose for Disruptive Discharge Coils in which the primaries and secondaries were tightly wound in close proximity.
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Big thanks one again

[quote=T-rex;183317
6) 62% spacing; an empirical factor, no hidden cosmic secrets here. For its origin go to "Radiotron Designers Handbook", by R.C.A. in Ausstralia. The article "Short Wave Coils" is the basis for the 62%, and the article "Self Capacity of Coils" gives the table for self capacity and the hyperbolic variation with coil dimensions. Referenced are coil pioneers, Butterworth, Medhurst, Autstin, and many others.
73 DE N6KPH[/QUOTE]



Has anyone found the reference material listed above. I will post links as soon as I find. I think this simple empirical factor will help with my particular mind virus. If I can get my head around this I will be one step closer.

Also thanks for the crystal radio tips. My crystal radio skills are getting better by the hour. It's funny that an hour of changing inductance and capacitance on a simple coil can teach so much. Even the smallest of changes make all the difference.

Thanks Again,

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Grounding

Will 10' long 1/2" copper pipes with copper pipe couplings work on the ground system? I ask because the price is about the same but the copper pipes are 10' vs the 8' ground rods.
but more importantly the pipes would let me water drill them into place since I have nothing but clay and rocks below me. It would be slow but easy. Also the pipes would allow me to keep the bottom of the ground system wet.

Thanks,
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In the book "The Nikola Tesla Treasury", published in 2007 by the Wilder Publication, LLC. PO Box 3005, Radford VA 24143-3005, www.wilderpublications.com, Tesla goes into some detailed explanation on treating Disruptive Discharge Coils with paraffine oil before use. See pages 127, 128 and 140 for example. So it is plausible to assume that the wax treatment has served a similar insulating purpose for Disruptive Discharge Coils in which the primaries and secondaries were tightly wound in close proximity.
Correct, good information. Here's what I have Gestalt.

Source#1
"Nikola Tesla exhausted his coils and capacitors for insulating purposes in a pressure tank while melting the beeswax and paraffin mixture with steam permeating the mix into the smallest spaces to force out all gas bubbles, which was the reason his equipment was capable to stand these high electrical pressures and extremely rapid potentials."

Source#2
"Secondary Coil:
The author has wrapped dozens of secondary coils. Their diameters vaired from 3/4 to 4-inches, and have ranged from 400 to 7600 turns and heights from 1 to over 6 feet. Some were built in sections and could be mounted one on top of the other. However, considering size, effort, and efficiency, the best ones were wrapped on a 10-12-inch length of 3-1/2 inch O.D. PVC pipe. Wind about 400-500 turns of #24 lacquered or magnet wire. The turns must not overlap or efficiency will suffer severely.
To make the task of winding go much smoother, clamp a broomstick into a vise horizontally, place the PVC pipe over it, and turn the pipe with one hand while guiding the wire with the other. The dispensing wire coil must turn freely. Pressure must be applied to the last turn at all times, but pauses are possible if you keep a piece of insulating tape ready to secure the last turn and, with a second piece, the last 10-20 turns.
Airplane glue or rubber cement can be used to secure the wire permanently at the ends and in spots along the way. But I found CA glue (Cyanacrolate Ester) or crazy glue works really good and there is no drying time. The bond is immediate. When completed, several coats of paraffin wax, molten candle wax, or bees wax should be used to cover the entire coil, especially at the high-voltage end. That will suppress corona discharge in places where it is not wanted.
the coil is assembled by placing the secondary within the primary as shown in Fig. 2. The base of the coil is grounded. The high-voltage end is fitter with an end-cap that serves as an insulator/high-voltage-electrode mount. Details for a homemade end-cap fashioned from a plastic drinking cup, candle wax, and a doorknob is shown in Fig. 3; the door-knob serves as the high-voltage electrode."

Parts List for the Tesla Coil:

C1 = .003-.005uF, 15,000-WVDC, ceramic capacitor, see text.
L1 = 8uF, 10A, heavy -duty hash-choke, see text.
L3 = 400-500 turns, 24-gauge (#24) magnet wire, see text.
T1 = 5000 volt, 20mA, dual secondary, oil-burner transformer, see text!
F1 = 10 amp fuse
S1 = SPST power switch
PVC pipe (see text), 3-terminal AC line cord, 1-inch diameter brass or aluminum rod stock, metal doorknob (for high-voltage electrode),
plastic cup, candle wax, paraffin wax, or bees wax, wire, solder, hardware, etc.
Copyright and credits:
This article was originally written by Ralph A. Hubscher and published in "Popular Electronics" in September 1990 by Gernsback Publishing, (Gernsback Publishing is sadly no longer in business since January 2000). All drawings, photos, pictures, and other material copyright (C) Tony van Roon, unless otherwise noted.

Source#3
"Points 2-9 are on hints other than oscillator circuit type.
2. PVC pipes are generally good for winding secondary coils. But PVC pipes larger than 4 inches (approx. 10 cm) (inside diameter) are not easy to get since they are not normally used to build nor repair homes. (This is in the USA at least.)
From Robert Eastman (kodak@flash.net):
If one is partial to PVC pipe, for large coils a single large piece of pipe is not the best approach. Rather, make a skeletal coil form from numerous (typically 8 to 12) smaller pipes fastened at their ends to rings of the desired form diameter. I use rings made from PVC sheet (avail from plastic supply houses), or from masonite boiled in beeswax. Not only is this approach cheaper than using a single large pipe, but the form is much less unwieldy -- even for very large forms. Secondly, the dielectric losses are considerably reduced -- as is surface leakage -- resulting in a higher coil Q.
3. Many cardboard tubes, including most thicker ones such as carpet tubes, are too conductive to work well for Tesla coils.
From Robert Eastman (kodak@flash.net):
1) If one is using a cardboard tube as the secondary-coil form, it helps greatly to first boil the tube in beeswax before winding the coil about it. This step drives out any residual moisture from the cardboard, and keeps it out. Secondly, the wax will saturate the cardboard, making it a much better insulator. Beeswax is preferable because of its very low dielectric losses at the frequencies found in TCs (100's of kHz, typically).
(A couple things about this beeswax stuff from Don):
Don't actually make the wax boil. You do need the wax to get well above the boiling point of water to boil out every last trace of water. But if you make the wax itself boil or even get close to this, you produce extremely flammable wax vapors and probably also cause some chemical breakdown of the wax. If you see "smoke" coming from the wax, it is hot enough or even a little too hot.
I don't think beeswax has magically low dielectric losses compared to plastic tubing. However, a waxed thin cardboard tube may well have substantially lower dielectric losses than a heavy thick plastic tube simply by having much less material mass.)
4. If you short or nearly short the top end of the secondary, you may cause any oscillation to fail. Avoid doing so unless the circuitry is known to safely idle with no oscillation.
5. Corona can load down the high voltage output. Due to the corona's capacitance (this effect requires only a few picofarads!), the corona can conduct significant current - often over a milliamp. The corona is capable of burning combustible objects. You should put a "bead" of silicone rubber or a proper top electrode over the top turn of the secondary if you anticipate peak voltages of more than maybe 50 kilovolts - depending on the gauge of the wire, etc. (thicker wire will be corona-free to slightly higher voltages.) Any corona at the top turn may burn the coil tubing. This can leave carbonized spots (usually known as "carbon tracks") which can add to corona problems!
6. The end of the top turn can form a big piece of corona. This can load down the high voltage. This may even develop a bit of jet propulsion which can make the top lead fly around. You may be able to get around this by bending the top lead downward and towards the center of the coil, but with the tip pointing up but below the level of the top turn. Better still is to attach a corona-resistant electrode of some sort to the top of the coil.
(That point is relevant to Tesla coil secondaries lacking a nice big round top electrode.)
7. There is some chance that drawing a spark or even severe corona from the top end of the coil may discharge its capacitance severely and you may not get a continuously arcing spark. I usually got a continuously arcing spark. If you get trouble due to sparks discharging the coil's capacitance, it may pay to use an unfiltered supply to give a pulsating output. But there should still be some significant capacitance across the power supply connections of the primary circuitry, as close to the output amplifier stage (or power oscillator stage if used instead) for the circuitry to work well.
8. I repeat, have a couple hundred microfarads of capacitance across the supply rails as close to the power transistor(s) as possible. This capacitance may well be conducting substantial high frequency current and should be of a type good for this. This may be a parallel bank of tantalum capacitors.
UPDATE 9/21/2008 - Several hundred microfarads of aluminum electrolytic capacitor(s) of low ESR type and with rating for usage at higher frequencies (even is as low as 10 KHz) will generally be OK. Look at the capacitor datasheet to be sure that ESR will be down to a fraction of an ohm and that the capacitor (or bank thereof) will have low impedance well into the 100's of KHz to a few MHz, and that the capacitor (or bank thereof) can easily and safely conduct a few amps of high frequency current. You may need a thousand or two microfarads of bulky aluminum electrolytic capacitor bank to do this well.
For similar specifications, axial lead capacitors are preferred when available.
9. Connect the low end of the secondary to the nearest good ground. Connect the primary circuit's ground to this point, and not too far from the secondary. Connect all nearby substantial metal objects to this point also, and not too far from the secondary. You want ground currents from objects exposed to the secondary's electric field to return to the low end of the secondary in as short a path as feasible."
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I keep receiving an upload error to attach Word Doc.'s so I pulled the info and pasted it here for everyone. Hope this helps.

Great work Guy's

Mike

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I presume that what you did here is build a matched set of coils, one receiving through the air and the other through the ground?

If they are not then we would need to know the both in air differences?

Ideally two identical coils, one receiving in air and one in a faraday cage receiving telluric?
I don't think that a Faraday cage will work the way you think it will work here. 1# I expect the setup would begin to receive with the coil completely disconnected with only the Faraday cage earthed. It would need to be a decent distance away from the top sphere and the middle of the coil, being a flat spiral, otherwise it cancels all the "magnification" effects of the coil. For this reason I can't place the coil directly on a ground plane, it will need to be a "ground ring" at most so as to not be underneath towards the middle of the coil, or the coil raised further above the ground plane. Reception begins when the coil is approx +20cm away from ground plane.

There are clear similarities between the radio and HV transmission experiments. Most notable is the fact that the coil becomes a mini broadcast station in the corner of the room and effectively boosts, or magnifies as the case may be, the incoming signal. I can get a very nice reception through the normal receiver by using the Tesla magnifier this way. I believe this is what Eric is talking about with coupling a conventional AM radio to the Tesla transformer (plus amplification in that case). It's quite a challenge to find equally good reception where the radio is normally supposed to work, near the window or as outside as possible, and in fact I've found it impossible to find equal reception as far as sound quality goes. It's by using the secondary coil this way I was able to get both receivers into phase unison with the test signal; Feeding the Tesla transformer secondary directly and using the antenna of the normal receiver placed near it to tune into the signal.

The "antenna" in the Tesla receiver is the wire from the C0 plate to the diode, or the plate itself, or even the diode leg/diode. The plate isn't essential in this case. It's possible to hear the signal by putting the wire that's supposed to connect to the plate in the middle of the coil, and I wouldn't be surprised if you could just put the diode itself in there instead of the wire. It's receiving a "transmission" or oscillations from the coil, is a way I might describe it in conventional terms.

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8) Underground vs over ground. Two identical Tesla units will not compare. They cannot receive E.M. waves. For over ground use a conventional crystal set with a dipole, not a ground Marconi antenna. A loop type receiver is even better, a big loop over ground and a big star radial underground. Thus a dipolar connection over ground, a monopolar connection underground. The Landers Mojave Research Installation used a beverage over ground and a wideband Alexanderson underground.

9) The energy required to drive a crystal diode is the same as a telephone signal. So amplifiers are not a way to make it more sensitive. A conventional A.M. radio coupled to the Tesla Transformer is the proper way to add gain (electronic gain) to the system.
Thanks for the additional info, this confirms a lot of things I'm reluctant to speak about or believe before spending another 10 hours doing tests
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A day at R.C.A. beach

And it came to pass, in the year of our lord, Feb. 14th, 1989, an activity took place in the small coastal town of Bolinas, Ca:

1) Tom Brown, Eric Dollard, and John Costa, proceeded with an attempt to produce a video documentation of the Marconi and Alexanderson remains in the R.C.A. Bolinas antenna field. There was no real plan, it was more of a free form venture. In a conjunction with our endeavor was a planetary alignment and near record solar activity. The perfect day! You could feel the tension in the air.

2) Commonweal had got wind of our video event so their minions in town began the usual harassments. Needless to say the day was filled with voo-doo, and a small cloud followed us all throughout the day as an indicator. I had been blacklisted by R.C.A. at this time in history so there were no friends around for our effort. It is however that R.C.A. Bolinas is a "Cosmic Inertie" for Planet Earth. Even before Marconi the Indians were in awe of the "Hole in he Sky". To compound the voltage, long intervals of "Die Kunst Der Fuge" resonating through the "Cathedral Like" Marconi building, as well as a few masonic versor operations, were conducted during my prior use of the Marconi building. The perfect day at the perfect spot! The cosmic anode.

3) The recording began and relentless battery problems plagued the effort. Then the batteries all were dead. Now what? Tom gets the lame idea that R.C.A. will help us, right! R.C.A., and also Commonweal, have been trying to rid themselves of the "two legged coyote" for years. Tom insists. "No one at R.C.A. remembers you, so let's go". After ringing the door bell the "coyote" cringes and begins to sneak back into the bush. But a new guy, Wayne, answers and welcomes us inside. He became somewhat puzzled when I already knew that all the receptacles in the station were wire grounded twistlocks, so we would need the adapter. About this tiem the "Geiser" shows up in the control room, he worked to close my lab there along with station manager Ed Brennen. Upon his cognizance of my presence, a certain siezure overtook him, like the lady that turns to stone in the Bible. The frozen expression on his face was indescribable. So we bailed out, but with charged batteries. (Wayne was awestruck)

4) We continue down to the beach and then back around for the final scene, the "Fallen Cruciforms" of the antenna wreckage. The batteries were used up. We see a government vehicle working its way towards us from the road. Well who shows up for the event but the head of the Park Service himself, Mr. Sansing. Mr. Sansing came with a special message for me!
"Mr Dollard; we have a group to make sure that there is to be no more electrical experiments here ever again, do you understand Mr. Dollard".

5) No I don't understand, but I know who is in charge of their group, Burr Henemenn. Later in the week the "Gieser" put on a set of headphones. He bypassed the safety interlocks, and walked into BL-10. Upon connecting himself to the 12,000 volt anode terminal he was blasted.

73 DE N6KPH
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Eric, I have a question that I hope you can help out on. In reference to Skin effect and coaxial braid and the velocity propagation of the wave.

For a given Fq there is a calculable skin depth. I can not find at the moment and may have to come up with some calcs on exactly the percentage of skin depth to surface area of coaxial braid is utilized, i.e. for each strand that crosses under another is that contact area now 'lumped'? If the braid is made of insulated wire like litz can the total surface area be calculated as a multiple of all the strands, i.e. 60 wires of 36ga has a surface area of 36ga times 60 for a given length and factoring of course the per turn length of the helical. can it be generalized to where the mean dia of the coax braiding is considered a hollow conductor and the effective coverage percentage is the surface area factor?

This also leads into another factor I noticed, the ratio of wire dia to skin depth, at what ratio of depth to wire dia is best? as the calculation is to 38% of current depth would it be advantageous that a wire dia is 2x that depth?

I was also trying to find wire gauges between the secondary and extra coli that not only were equal in surface area but utilized the same surface area to volume percentage. not an easy task given skin depth and coaxial braid construction parameters.

I did find an Army Navy declassified document by Spergel that outlines the construction and design of the braid. I've yet to track down any of Spergels other published work.

It would seem that the utilization of the least amount of mass of metal but yet the most amount of surface area to the dielectric is what is needed. Given that it would seem then the use of braided coaxial litz wire is best.

off the shelf available wire doesn't seem to be close enough to work with needs of the calculations.

I also wondered given the increase in propagation velocity if the extra coil would benefit from being wound with a decreasing density of wire, not yet clear on whether an increase of surface area or decrease in surface area is needed.
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Eric just called me and asked me to relay the following to everybody:

Don't get caught up in what the skin depth of the secondary is going to be. This is only for a rough calculation of the amount of metal to use in the primary winding. The only thing that is important is that the height to diameter ratio of the coil is correct. Don't get hung up on details. Just build it and see..

All other calculations can be derived from the secondary using the "Radiotron Designer's Handbook". It gives all of the details on how to design coils. This is the most important book ever written on radio technology. If somebody can find a link, please post it for everyone to see.

As far as the wax goes, this was used in Tesla's low frequency designs. Wax was also used for dielectric insulation to minimize corona which in turn added undesirable capacities to the system. Beeswax lowers the magnification factor of the coils.

Eric's voltage converter has started generating again. He said that he cleaned the contacts on it and it started running for extended periods of time lighting a lightbulb with no sources of power connected. The capacitors inside don't have enough capacity for the duration of power observed. He said that he isn't claiming that it is producing free energy, just that the battery that it was connected to happened to climb in voltage over time.

Dave

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All other calculations can be derived from the secondary using the "Radiotron Designer's Handbook". It gives all of the details on how to design coils. This is the most important book ever written on radio technology. If somebody can find a link, please post it for everyone to see.
Radiotron Designer's Handbook Third Edition

34673570-Radiotron-Designers-Handbook.pdf

Or

http://tubularelectronics.com/Old_Books/RDH3.pdf

Radiotron Designer's Handbook Fourth Edition

AX84.com - The Cooperative Tube Guitar Amp Project

The above 4th edition compiled into single pdf file

http://tubularelectronics.com/Old_Books/RDH4.pdf

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Radiotron Designer's Handbook Third Edition

34673570-Radiotron-Designers-Handbook.pdf

Or

http://tubularelectronics.com/Old_Books/RDH3.pdf

Radiotron Designer's Handbook Fourth Edition

AX84.com - The Cooperative Tube Guitar Amp Project

The above 4th edition compiled into single pdf file

http://tubularelectronics.com/Old_Books/RDH4.pdf
Thanks for the links Doc! While I cannot start building for a little while yet it's great to have these references. Can't wait to see what you have to show after another 10 hours experimenting, I'm sure it'll be big! No pressure of course

It's really good to hear from you again Eric, thanks for your clarification on the issues you mentioned. I also found your personal recollection of the Dollard/Farnsworth connection very interesting and am looking for the book you mentioned. I hope you are doing well.

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F. Langford-Smith Radio Designers Handbook Iliffe books 4th ed 1957

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Eric just called me and asked me to relay the following to everybody:

All other calculations can be derived from the secondary using the "Radiotron Designer's Handbook". It gives all of the details on how to design coils. This is the most important book ever written on radio technology. If somebody can find a link, please post it for everyone to see.

Dave
Hello Dave and Eric,

I have a copy in pdf uploading to my Scribd.com page, hope this helps.

Radio Designers Handbook

or

Radio Designers Handbook : F. Langford-Smith : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

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Dare Call it Conspiracy?

1) It is great to see my Tesla-Marconi video has escaped censorship. Unfortunately, at that time and in my prior descriptions of the Bolinas site, certain R.C.A. misconceptions still existed in my mind. It seems that R.C.A. altered the history of what preceded their takeover from Marconi and also altered the common descript ions of the Alexanderson network. While "A Day at the Beach" opened the conspiratorial "Can of WOrms", let us now dump this can on the deck and examine the worms more closely.

2) Later, through the writings of Vassilatos and his pictorial "Vril Compendium" my childhood archetypal memories of R.C.A. Bolinas came back to me. Now I had the complete picture in my mind of the pre R.C.A. Bolinas configurations from 1913 to 1919. (1998)

3) Next in my effort was to write a book combining the book/video "Empire of the Air" with the visual portrayal in the "Vril Compendium". At the same time the park service initiated their own book on the history of this important facility, which at the time was operationally intact as station KPH. The title of the first is "Electric Wave Telegraphy" by E.P. Dollard. The second is "Wireless Giant of the Pacific" by local historian Dewey Livingston. Both of these books are censored.

4) Censored, but censored by who? The parent agency of this censorship is called the Golden Gate National Recreation Area, G.G.N.R.A. of the U.S. Park Service, Dept. of the Interior. The local office directly enforcing this censorship is the Point Reyes National Sea Shore, Olema California. The principle operatives are;

1. Richard Dillman - Green Peace executive
2. Thomas Horsfall - L. Livermore technician
(whales and bombs)

These two run a fraudulent historical society, MHRS, this society is now forcing all Navy and radio historical sites into its control, a syndicate.

5) Borderland sciences held vast quantities of my R.C.A. research and it all just vanished to the winds. Also every R.C.A. paper at Landers also vanished, and now the station itself is gone. This is in part due to an effort by the "Integratron Goddess Temple". And now we have the so called "Tesla" society, what a joke. It is another Einstein society, no Tesla. This outfit is run by a Georges Gaboury, of San Francisco, Ca. It is of interest to note how he consumed millions in capital fighting for another free energy moron that gets himself in trouble, but in two years did nothing about the priceless Landers installation and even refused to mention it in his newsletters. His handler is Charles Ostman, and you guessed it, he is from L. Livermore Labs. (Also the Hell's Angel's swine that got my dog is tight with L.L. Labs !) Ostman uses the "Tesla" group as a platform for his expression of neo-pagan quantum mysticism, and its rising Goddess Shiva. His videos are readily available from the "Tesla" society, but not mine.

6) As a side note, a Congress Inquiry was conducted into the situation in Bolinas and this had been held by Barbara Boxer. My following letters or "online" as the "Barbara Boxer Report". Make a copy before it disapears. It would be great fun if every person reading this physically send a registered copy to her office, requesting the F.B.I. documents on the Bolinas matter.

7) So are we dealing with a government conspiracy, an international communist conspiracy, or just a concatenated string of human filth? The U.S. Coast Guard also operates a giant radio facility in Bolinas, station NMC. The Coast Guard took great interest in my Bolinas efforts and they even offered refuge for me from hostile Park Police. It hereby can be inferred that they were not part of the conspiracy. Their efforts to get involved in my conversion of R.C.A.'s KPH station were hampered every way. As a final "slap in the face" the entire KPH facility was handed over to Green Peace MHRS, and Green Peace is an AVOWED ENEMY OF THE US NAVY!

8) Years later I dropped by Coast Guard station NMC to see how things were going. The commanding officer I knew, as well as the master chief, were at new duty stations now, so I expected the usual difficult introduction required in order to enter a military installation. That was not required the first class (Mate) came out and seeing my military Corolla says "Oh you're that guy". Looking at his fellow sailors nervously he ask me to join him in an antenna inspection. When we got beyond hearing range of the crew he asks; "Who are these people anyway that come here and tell US that we are not to talk to you???"

73 DE N6KPH
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Hey Everyone,

I hope you are doing very well.

I am willing to perform a systematic research on many of the phenomena discussed here and after some simple tests, am ready to move on to applying for funds.

I would like to word my topic in a way that entices interest and yet is encompassing of various activities that go around here, in order to provide excellent research results.

Topics that seem to resonate with me to study include, please help me choose one :

Systematic study of scalar wave phenomena
Systematic study of high frequency high voltage wave phenomena
Systematic study of dielectric power transfer

Other side topics I like to pursue is:
Using crystal and Amplitude Modulation
Quantum Resonator
Other Coil Geometry such as Rodin and Bashar and finding links between these.


Any assistance and help is much appreciated. In return, when successful I would share videos, pictures, comprehensive reports for the audience on this wonderful and exciting forum.
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Any assistance and help is much appreciated. In return, when successful I would share videos, pictures, comprehensive reports for the audience on this wonderful and exciting forum.
Or... you could just share with the Forum as you go, before you become successful.

I'm just saying... I'm sure that's what you meant.

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Eric,
You mentioned that 2 turn primary and 20 turn is the best. How and what am I sacrificing if I did 3-30 turns? I found an appropriate former that would work with the 3 to 30 ratio.

Even though building this is quite simple. Every step presents a person with a choice because we don't always have exactly what we need. Lacking a full understanding it becomes fustrating when faced with these choices.

Example
14ga is in hand and I am working on a former and trying to decide what to use for a primary. Flat stock does not come in the width I need. Is it better to go with a smaller width or wider width? Is flat absolutely necessary? Im considering copper pipe and a sledge hammer to flatten as a last resort.

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Eric,
You mentioned that 2 turn primary and 20 turn is the best. How and what am I sacrificing if I did 3-30 turns? I found an appropriate former that would work with the 3 to 30 ratio.

Even though building this is quite simple. Every step presents a person with a choice because we don't always have exactly what we need. Lacking a full understanding it becomes fustrating when faced with these choices.

Example
14ga is in hand and I am working on a former and trying to decide what to use for a primary. Flat stock does not come in the width I need. Is it better to go with a smaller width or wider width? Is flat absolutely necessary? Im considering copper pipe and a sledge hammer to flatten as a last resort.

Thanks,

Jake

flat stock gives the fastest rise time. (lots of surface area for conduction)


Precision Brand 17s15 .015 Brass Shimstock 6" x 100" on eBay!

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if you want silver plated this is the way I used to do it when I was a kid

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the little things

I have a good size bottle of solid silver nitrate that I have been saving for such an occasion. I just need to get the coil built first and working. I can plate after it’s complete.

Also I could possibly cut those bronze strips length wise and get the proper width but I need 116inches they are just a bit to short.

I probably worry too much about the little things.

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Thanks for the links Doc! While I cannot start building for a little while yet it's great to have these references. Can't wait to see what you have to show after another 10 hours experimenting, I'm sure it'll be big! No pressure of course
No problem The one Mike posted of the 4th edition (archive.org link) is a bigger file size so might be better quality. At the moment I'm building a new base. The coil I'm using now was primarily wound to find out how much space the wire would take up on the base, along with a last minute decision to make the secondary closely coupled to the primary after reading something Tesla wrote about resonant rise, so I'm using less than half the number of turns I can fit on there (plus a lot of bends and kinks in the wire). So I'm making a new base that this wire will almost completely fill, with free space on the outside to try different primary couplings. Then with the aid of a USB scope and Excel I should easily be able to compare the different configurations But it's worth noting again the secondary wire was measured before the crystal radio stuff came up so it's about 2.5 metres shorter than what Eric's equation gives for the frequency I'm tuned to, so I think it's only a relative approximation to get an idea for future reference.

[edit] Oh, anyone know whether Blu Tac is conductive with HV? It would make test windings a lot easier to keep in place than using tape.

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The Electric Field & its Flux Q with relation to the Poynting Vector S, E.M. Flux

I don't know if this is the best place to post this question (if its found be out of place I will post it on another thread). I thought about emailing this to Mr. Dollard but I decided to post it here for anyone interested in reading it.

I must point out that my understanding of Vector Calculus and Linear Algebra is lacking and at best superficial. So bear that in mind when confronted by any inadequacies in logic or mathematics that I may present in which their understanding is needed.


I have been contemplating the importance of the “Electric Field” that Mr. Dollard and Steinmetz have lectured about. Steinmetz says that the Electric Field has a finite Velocity, which following Maxwells “paper theory”, was found to be the same velocity of Light. It would follow that the “energy flux” of the Electric Field could be said to be photonic (composed of photons) in nature, but it is also said to be fibrous in nature as well, this being from the Lines of Dielectric and Magnetic Induction that compose the Energy Flux Q of the Electric Field. If we examine this situation more closely, one would come to the conclusion that there are at least two or more Modes or States of the Electric Field.

If I may be so bold to give my thoughts, I believe there are two archetype transverse electro-magnetic modes, one photonic or metallically unbounded Energy Flux, Hertzian Waves, and the other consisting of orthogonal lines of Dielectric and Magnetic induction bound between metallic surfaces, as described by classical circuit theory. Both of which (in an overly simplified view), can be seen as sine-wave-like motion similar to the cross-section of a ripple moving across a distance of water. Furthermore I believe there to be two more archetypes, both of which are longitudinal magneto-dielectric, one photonic (I don’t know if that’s the best word to use) which travels in straight lines or “rays” directly from one point to the next with no scattering, unlike a transverse photonic Energy Flux, and is unbounded by metallic surfaces. The other would be parallel lines or “rays” of Dielectric and Magnetic Induction bounded between metallic surfaces, where the magnetic loops transition to become lines (be it mere perspective or otherwise). These unlike the transverse modes are more akin to “bidirectional Pulses” (ray like) rather than two orthogonal sine like waves, if a stick floating vertically in the same pool of water as described before, be put under the same waves the stick (if its cross-section radius was infinitely small) would not move with the direction of force (across the water) but would only move up and down relative to the waves vertical magnitude passing through its location.

The “Poynting Vector”, or the flow of electro-magnetic Energy Flux, was independently discovered by both Heaviside and Poynting. An interesting quote on this subject reads:

“On transmission lines it [Poynting Vector S] serves to illustrate ‘for education purposes’ that power flows in the space surrounding a conductor and not to our preconception that it should be inside the conductor.” J A Ferreira, Electromagnetic Modelling of Power Electronic Converters

The question I have for Mr. Dollard, which I admit may be in need of more contemplation, is regarding the connection of the Poynting Vector S or electro-magnetic Energy Flux with the Electric Field’s Energy Flux Q that both Mr. Dollard and Steinmetz refer to. Are they the same thing? Or at least connected on some level? The notion that the Poynting Vector only relates to transverse electro-magnetic Energy Flux is hard for me to take in. What of a longitudinal magneto-dielectric Energy Flux (I believe there to be one)? What can we use to model or at least describe this energy flow? (This seen not as separate dielectric and magnetic field lines, but as a new single, energy flux vector)

The “Slepian Vector”, which is an alternative formulation of the Poynting Vector, shows a contradictory relation in the flow of energy to the Poynting Vector, in which there is a longitudinal (electro-magnetic) steady-state flow of energy confined in the conductor and two radial flows about the wire, one for the Dielectric Field and the other for the Magnetic Field. This seems to describe Continuous Current circuits and Alternating Current circuits where only self-inductions L & C exist, but what of M & K, the Mutual Inductions of the Magnetic and Dielectric Fields?

If we go back to only contemplating the constituent fluxes of the Electric Field, and examine the telegraph equation of Heaviside, we could say in a most general sense; RG is the Direct Current TEM phenomena or time-invariant portion, RX & GB are Impulse TM & TE phenomena or single energy time-variant portion. XB can be both TEM and LMD, “Forced Alternations” (needs only one field energy magnetic or dielectric) and “Free” (damped) or “Forced” (continuous) Oscillations (needs both magnetic and dielectric field energies). The XB case having multiple paths of propagation where Mutual and Self inductions can interact, is not limited to needing both Magnetic and Dielectric fields. A generator and a transformer are both Magnetic but both have Mutual and Self Magnetic Inductions to allow “ALTERNATIONS” (where’s the dielectric field in all of this?). Oscillations on the other hand can only take place when there is a means for the storage and return of both field energies.

I believe the answer to the understanding of the Tesla transformer lies at the heart of the understanding of XB and its distinct wave possibilities (and the interaction of those waves with each other). Furthermore, in understanding the actual Energy Flux flow, this is not in magnetic or dielectric field lines but the multiplication of the two, forming a new quantity the Electric Field and its Flux Q (and in the various modes of propagation of Q).

UPDATE:

It would appear that Mr. Dollard already partially explained this situation in another thread, I only recently found this post.

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When considering waves on coiled windings, leave out the electrons, let us forget them once and for all. They are for electronic devices (RG) NOT for electrical devices (LC). Forget the electrons, forget it!

It is generally considered that any wave must consist of a conjugate pair of energies, magnetic and dielectric let's say. Only then an interaction between time and space is possible. As I have shown recently it is through the union of a conjugate pair (L and C) that the dimension of time is produced. The propagation constant is then equal to:

(1) Negative Gamma Square

Having a pair of imaginary roots, plus j Gamma and minus j Gamma

It is however that the JJ Thompson Longitudinal Dielectric Motions cannot have a periodic solution, there is one energy only, dielectric. This needs to be resolved.

There are four distinct forms of energy stored in a winding,
Magnetic Pair:

L, Leakage Inductance, Henry
M, Mutual Inductance, per Henry

Dielectric Pair:

C, Leakage Capacitance, Farad
K, Mutual Capacitance, per Farad

The Magnetic Distribution along the coil axis is given by

(2) Epsilon to the square root of LM power. It is an exponential curve along the axis.

The Dielectric Distribution along the coil axis is given by

(3) Epsilon to the square root of CK power. It too is an exponential curve along the axis.

LM an CK are time scalars hence it can be seen that these initial distributions at t = 0 give rise to complex energy exchanges because of the exponential space distributions. We have now a fourth order differential in space and time. Alice lands in Wonderland. Forget Maxwell, forget the Corums, dead ends, forget them once and for all!!

Continuing with the four energy co-efficients:

LC, this gives the space scalar frequencies of oscillation, having no distribution in space, only in time (dot product)

MK, this gives the "Tesla Vector" normal to the coil windings, a counter-velocity in per centimeters per second. (axial product)

Also,

L/K this gives the clockwise "Poynting Vector" around the circumference of the coil windings, a velocity in centimeters per second (cross product)

C/M, this gives the counter-clockwise "Poynting Vector" around the circumference of the coil windings, a velocity in centimeters per second (cross product)

(4) Hence (LC + MK(k^2)) + k(L/K - C/M)

(5) a +kb
The Heaviside relation for the dimension of space. For the condition of balance,

(6) L/K = C/M
The T.E.M. component vanishes and the "Poynting Vectors" cancel out. The resistance of the coil also cancels out giving rise to a very great magnification factor, as well as a pure longitudinal wave, a "Tesla Coil".

Forget the Corums, the Bewelly-Dollard Theory has made them obsolete. Also it is my own belief that we have outgrown Maxwell. The path started by Tesla, Through Steinmetz and Alexanderson, to L.V. Bewelly has taken us far beyond the primordial physics interpretation of J.C. Maxwell. Leyden Jars and scales have grown to giant substation transformers and high speed oscilloscopes. We are entering a brave new world of electricity, electricity without electrons.
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magnostrictive oscillators

I have researched various methods to produce the hyperbolic non asymptotic waveform.
I see that a periodic discharge into various metals will produce a the correct form.
I did find synthetic approaches as well but the basic idea can be seen here.
note: tfor 1.62 MHz the nickel rod should be around an inch long.
Engineering Physics(for Anna University),1/e - Chitra - Google Books
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Ah, Bolinas! It always seemed like a place of refuge.... a groovy little hippie haunt off the beaten track. But lo... the dark side lurks even in the most
beautiful of places. My fondest memory of Bolinas was getting to go to a production there by the San Francisco Mime troupe. The play they put on pretty much prophesized the whole future of the Bush Cheney and successors.
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It seems now its hard to know if your blood is flowing here in the
U.S. You almost have to leave the country to feel it again.

I bought and viewed the now famous Dollard videos and wish I had a better handle on science therein.... alas I am not gifted in the engineering department but I do appreciate the gift Eric D. has/ and continues to share with us.
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A generator and a transformer are both Magnetic but both have Mutual and Self Magnetic Inductions to allow “ALTERNATIONS” (where’s the dielectric field in all of this?).
I have also been wondering the same thing. All this talk of conductors and electrification seems to make sense, but what about transformer cores? When you have a transfer of energy through the core via magnetic lines of induction, where does the dielectric component go?
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I have also been wondering the same thing. All this talk of conductors and electrification seems to make sense, but what about transformer cores? When you have a transfer of energy through the core via magnetic lines of induction, where does the dielectric component go?
I believe it is in a state of transition.

Over Ten years ago I passed 9 hours of calculus, 4 hours of quantum mechanics, and 6 hours of physics. I still have trouble understanding what's going on with this math. I almost wish there was an exam on this thread. That way I could figure out if I was passing.

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Eric. Do you have any exam questions for us?

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I know this is a lot to ask, but if you had some time, could you take a look at the 3 Battery Generator thread and give us your take on it? We would certainly value your opinion if you chose to comment on what we are seeing. We are getting positive results, so we already HAVE a working system, but are looking to replace the third battery in our setup with a circuit that will mimic its behavior. If anyone can do that I figure you're the man.
3 Battery Generating System

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I believe it is in a state of transition.

Over Ten years ago I passed 9 hours of calculus, 4 hours of quantum mechanics, and 6 hours of physics. I still have trouble understanding what's going on with this math. I almost wish there was an exam on this thread. That way I could figure out if I was passing.

Jake

Eric. Do you have any exam questions for us?
yeh me too. I have difficulty distinguishing it from the inverse functions. So far I just assume I am missing some nuance somewhere but have yet been able to add it all up myself. Someone tried to set me straight earlier in the the thread on it but it still does not add up for me.

While it feels like I have learned a lot, one person put up their understanding of the math and showed the coils will result in a double resonance as being inherent in the design. If that is the case then tesla would have erred with the 1.5c or it is tesla folklore.

I have not gotten an answer on the DC beam theory yet, and it seems from Dr Greens test that the speed through the ground is also c, presuming he was receiving tem with one and telluric with the other. So at this point I still have gaping holes in the theory forward. Maybe I am just slow LOL
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it seems from Dr Greens test that the speed through the ground is also c, presuming he was receiving tem with one and telluric with the other. So at this point I still have gaping holes in the theory forward. Maybe I am just slow LOL
The telluric velocity is definitely greater than c. I was being kind to the relativists The time difference is a bit bigger than my approximate average because I also took other readings into account that weren't necessarily accurate and had a lower time difference, so the telluric velocity I stated is slower than the actual velocity. The next set of tests will be better.
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