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Old 09-27-2015, 06:15 PM
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CRI update.

I uncoiled my 100 feet long #10 ga copper wire which the seller shipped coiled to a 4 inch diameter blob. I promised earlier that I will repeat the telluric antenna experiment with bare wire. So I set the AM radio to a very weak station and placed it next to the grounding rod, then I connected the bare copper wire to the grounding rod and there was barely any change in reception. Next I disconnected the bare copper wire and connected the insulated wire (which is still not buried) to the grounding rod and suddenly the volume has increased significantly. I suspected already that the bare wire will not work as a telluric antenna since during my initial experiment once I connected both ends of the 200 feet long insulated wire to grounding rods and the result were negligible compared only one end of the insulated wire being grounded. Next I will report after I finished connecting my star radial grounding system.
Remember Eric said that "bigger is better" for the telluric insulted wire diameter. The cost involved going bigger can go up exponentially. So I will try one more thing before I bury my insulated wire. I will run a second insulated wire parallel with the first to see if more conductor in the ground will further improve AM reception. If this works I can get for instance a three conductor #14 ga copper cable for underground services in lieu of a #10 ga single insulated wire, just connect the ends together of the 3 conductors, insulate one end and ground the other.
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Latest Eric Dollard update

ERIC DOLLARD UPDATE - been a busy week and a half working with Eric on different projects.

ADVANCED SEISMIC WARNING SYSTEM - If you visit his blog - BLOG - Eric P. Dollard - Official Homepage the last several posts are all photo albums showing the latest work on the seismic project. They are on track to show signals coming from the ground early December. It won't be as sophisticated as what was at Landers but it shows the concept. Putting together an instrumentation system with chart recorders, etc... will be worked on next year. Eric also did a narrated powerpoint with pictures video presentation that will be on Youtube as soon as I get it edited and rendered. You will understand what is shown in the photo albums that were recently posted.

VERSOR ALGEBRA 2 - this has already been released, but there have been a few minor edits and that will be uploaded to the same download page as before. We'll send notice when it is available so if you purchased this book, you will be able to get the updated version with the new edits.

CRYSTAL RADIO INITIATIVE - There is a white board presentation with Eric teaching how to calculate the windings for a Tesla Resonant Transformer. That is so you can make a Tesla style crystal radio to receive signals from the ground. This will be available for $7 to help pay for the gas he used to drive here and work on this and other projects.

EXTRALUMINAL TRANSMISSION - this presentation has some companion books coming out later. One is dedicated to expanding on JJ Thomson concepts and the other is all the rest relating to extraluminal transmission systems.

EPD LABORATORIES, INC. - Eric is starting to do some experiments on the bench and there is a lot of glom at his disposal. I'll be sending some slotted standards shelves and bins and much of the glom will be stripped and parts organized. We are also getting a lot of stuff from ebay so Eric will have a fairly complete parts inventory to start working on other projects.

There's more, but this is the latest. Please support Eric Dollard and EPD Laboratories by giving a donation through PayPal - Homepage - Eric P. Dollard - Official Homepage - thanks for all of your support!
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Old 09-30-2015, 06:41 AM
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Hi dR-Green and Sputins:
Thank you for your comments.
I need some help sorting out the issue of distributed capacity.
In Tesla's CSN on page 72 (on the top) it says that the distance between coil turns would have to be reduced to 1/83 of the previous value in order to reduce distributed capacity. This number came about because Tesla reduced the wire size from #10 to #31 in order to have a much smaller distributed capacity.
I found two US patents, 1342209 and1409352, both of which claims that their invention will reduce coil distributed capacity. One states that the distributed capacity effect is inversely proportional to the spacing between the turns. This seems to be contradicting Tesla's finding.
Let say we agree with these patent claims, can we benefit by winding our secondary coil in accordance with one of the methods?
For one of my secondary coil I calculated 19.47 pF (this value will be re verified) for the distributed capacity. According to Tesla one can place capacitors in series with the coil turns to reduce the distributed capacity. In my case how do I determine how many and what value capacitors should I use.
Eric gives the spacing between coil turn centers as Tau=l/N*2xPi, this equation does not take into consideration the magnitude of distributed capacity as a function of the coil turns spacing. Take care.
Good question. I read that part of CSN and seems to me Tesla was trying a smaller wire using the same width and height of the coil. So he figured the distributed capacity was lower with the smaller wire and needs the spacing to be smaller by a somewhat different amount to get the same capacity. That leads to sparking problems. His calculations make sens and are close to his own experimental vallues.
But in this publication the capacity does not depend on wire diameter or spacing.

http://www.g3ynh.info/zdocs/magnetic...ons_131023.pdf


The smallest capacity is when height and diameter are equal.

To me it makes sense to have a high distributed capacity and look for the backward wave resonance mode.
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I mean the wave that sees the capacitance between the turns in series and the inductance parallel. This mode is different from the resonance mode that sees the inductance in series and the capacitance between turns parallel.
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Tesla's pancake coil is espescially designed for its high capacitance.

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In order to attain my object and to properly increase the capacity of any given coil, I wind it in such way as to secure a greater difference of potential between its adjacent turns or convolutions, and since the energy stored in the coil—considering the latter as a condenser, is proportionate to the square of the potential difference between its adjacent convolutions, it is evident that I may in this way secure by a proper disposition of these convolutions a greatly increased capacity for a given increase in potential difference between the turns.


Nikola Tesla U.S. Patent 512,340 - Coil for Electro-Magnets | Tesla Universe


I am going for the coils Meyl uses.
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Old 10-01-2015, 02:28 AM
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Hi dR-Green:

This is a very nice setup. With so much water around you, you should have no problem creating a near zero Ohm ground.
I received my #10 gage copper wire today, but my oscilloscope broke down so now I am working on that problem.
Not quite the middle of London. About as far west as you can get without needing a boat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmarthenshire

Typical bad luck with the scope breaking down as soon as you get something else sorted.

I appreciate your updates and experimental results and what not!
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Old 10-01-2015, 04:12 AM
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You live in a beautiful historic area. How is your Welsh?
Today I got the parts to repair my scope's A5 board. We had 107 F today, so outside work was not an option. I thought about doing some more test with the telluric antenna, I will soon report on the results.
Orgonaut314 had some interesting comments about the coil distributed capacity. Recommend checking out US patents 1342209 and 1409352. Their intent were to reduce coils' distributed capacity. Figure 2 of patent 1342209 is a pancake style coil. dR-Green has good experience with pancake coils, I believe his early CRI set up utilized this type of coil.
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I completed connecting the star radial grounding rods, all is left to bring the ground into the house. On the telluric antenna I added an extra 300 feet to the existing 200 feet long wire. When I was tuned to a weak station the connected the 200 feet wire the reception got much stronger and when I connected the extra 300 feet there was no change in the reception strength. Next I tuned to a weak station approximately twice the frequency than before and the result was much better reception with the 200+300 feet long antenna.
The way I see it is the AM band is 600 kHz to 1600 kHz. A full wave antenna would be 498 m (1633 Ft) to 186 m (613 Ft) long corresponding to 600 kHz and 1600 kHz respectively. Antenna books indicate that reception is good with 1/2 wave or even 1/4 wave long antennas. So in a frugal design, one can get away using a 409 feet long antenna to cover the AM spectrum.
A full wavelength design would be 1633 feet long. In Eric's case he is working with twice 6000 feet wire antenna. In the antenna books I could not find that "longer is better", but 12,000 feet definitely covers the spectrum multiple times, so it could not hurt.
I am not an antenna designer and if in case the aerial antenna rules do not apply to the telluric antennas then I would ask Eric to gives us a "primer" on antennas in general. Have a good weekend.
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Old 10-08-2015, 10:27 AM
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Perhaps interesting as Dollard says charge is stored in the dielectric and used the leyden jar as example

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyden_jar

It was generally believed in 1800 that the charge was in the glass because of the leyden jar untill they found out it was a special case as glass is hydroscopic (absorbs water).

The same experiment with parafin made it clear the charge was on the plates.


Addenbrook (1922) found that in a dissectible jar made of paraffin wax, or glass baked to remove moisture, the charge remained on the metal plates.[9] Zeleny (1944) confirmed these results ...


Now we have the information to understand this video
Dissectible Capacitor | MIT Video
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:04 PM
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After viewing the MIT video it is interesting to speculate about capacitors in general. The text books state that the charges reside on the metal plates.
The following experiments serve no practical purpose at this time just food for thoughts.

If I have a two plate capacitor with air as the dielectric than where would the + and - charges reside? Perhaps on the metal plates?
With this same capacitor with glass as the dielectric the charges would reside on the two sides of the glass plate, + on one side and - on the other.
So if I have a stack of glass dielectrics I can charge each glass plate to a certain Q. If I take this plate out and charge the next plate and remove it, then I can place the second plate on top of the first one so that - goes on -. The next time I repeat this I will place + on + on both sides of the two plates I already have and on the next plates I alternate as required. Of course the total charge on each plate has to be a little less than half of the break down charge of the dielectric.
So I can go as long as I want and store all those charges in one place. If I put them in a non-conducting container where I have contacts on one side to the negative charges and on the other side I have contacts to the positive charges then in essence I created a super capacitor without metal plates, or did I?
If I would charge each glass plate of say area=2A, but the metal plates on both sides would only be area=A, what will be the total charge on the glass plate? What is the limiting size that will control the total charge, the metal plates or the glass plate sizes? Please let me know what you think.
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Henry Cavendish and Various

Henry Cavendish and his 'Electrical Researches' Volume 1:

https://archive.org/details/electricalresear00caveuoft

Edited by James Clerk Maxwell.
Brilliant English lone researcher that used his body as the meter to detect current.

The Cavendish Experiment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PdiUoKa9Nw

Will be getting back into the Lab after the heat sets in with Vacuum Tubes into the TMT.
Just moved, with my wife, some 14 tonnes of gravel on the driveway, looks good - distractions!
Just bought an 8" Saxon Dobsonian Telescope to look at where the Cosmic Rays are coming from - another distraction.

Eric Dollard should have taken up my offer in the Land Of Oz, a fully equipped Lab outfitted with Henry Ford Buzz boxes and a Grey Shrike Thrush guarding the front door.
Sorry that it did not work out with John.
Preparing a snail mail with respect to the Vacuum Tube builds - Tesla Transformer Pulse Generator/Regenerative Magnifying Receiver/Cosmic Ray Detector.
Also a dual 5U4G rectifier power supply that was involved with the implosion TV event where the AC (5volt) and DC (405 volt) are together at the output.

Aetheric Weather Engineering continues successfully with 22 devices of 11 different methodologies - makes current science look a little sick.
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Hi Nhopa, the glass has moisture absorbed. Moisture is the conductor that works as a metal plate. Only moisture on the surface.
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Hi Nhopa, the glass has moisture absorbed. Moisture is the conductor that works as a metal plate. Only moisture on the surface.
This should put you back on the rails again...

https://youtu.be/NQO-p_ff0Xs

Richard Hull from TCBOR shows the dissectible capacitor experiment. No moisture in glass here. (It took me awhile to dig this out of the 60 videos).
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Interesting observation. So if in the MIT demonstration the glass dielectric would have been baked in an oven to get rid of all the moisture on the surface, then the leyden jar would not work as a capacitor? On the other hand if it is really the moisture that retains the charge, then instead of a metal plate, one only needs a "charging" metal wire contacting the glass because the "conductive" glass will take all the charges that comes from the wire (let say up to break down).
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I just had another thought about orgonaut314 comment, based on which this leyden jar would not function in outer space. No atmosphere, no moisture. So are we saying that plate capacitors with glass dielectrics will only function on earth?
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Think about the parafin dielectric. Parafin does not absorb moisture. When you make a leyden jar with parafin you can disect the parfin and the energy will be on the plates.

Do not forget this leydn jar had people think the charge was in the dielectric for some time untill experiments proved otherwise.
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I just had another thought about orgonaut314 comment, based on which this leyden jar would not function in outer space. No atmosphere, no moisture. So are we saying that plate capacitors with glass dielectrics will only function on earth?
No. But when you disect in outer space the charge will be on the plates. There is no layer of moisture on the glass that conucts the charge from the plates to the glass.

Just read the wiki article espescially the part about where the charge is stored. At first I also wanted Eric to be right but this example made me realise he just ignores recent evidence and experiments. In other occasions he just talks latin to people that do not understand latin. He is a disinformant telling that others are disinformants. Just a clever trap. But there is some truth, mixed with lies. There has to be cheese in a mouse trap
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Lets just stay on earth for now and for a moment work with glass. I am very much interested in capacitors. One of my future project will be with Tesla's Radiant Energy patents US685957 and US685958. I got the ideal from
dR-Green who mentioned Tesla's interest in this subject. In these patents Tesla is using large capacitors first to collect the positive charges from the solar radiation and to get the complimentary negative charges from the earth.
In my previous posts I had some questions, like do I need a full size metal plate to charge the "wet" glass plate or maybe a wire contacting the glass dielectric would be sufficient to charge the glass since the charges would just "slide" all over on the glass? What if I would deposit a few microns thick metal layer on both sides of the glass dielectric. This plate capacitor would function but the question is if I take such a capacitor apart, where will the charges be, on the metal plates or on the metalized dielectric? Have anybody done this? Let me know what you think.
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No. But when you disect in outer space the charge will be on the plates. There is no layer of moisture on the glass that conucts the charge from the plates to the glass.

Just read the wiki article espescially the part about where the charge is stored. At first I also wanted Eric to be right but this example made me realise he just ignores recent evidence and experiments. In other occasions he just talks latin to people that do not understand latin. He is a disinformant telling that others are disinformants. Just a clever trap. But there is some truth, mixed with lies. There has to be cheese in a mouse trap
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Yeah NFG that is probable me. But it is allways the same. Create a guru, create an enemy and fill the heads with stuff. When do you people learn to be independend and grow up? Start with critisism just enough to stand on you own feet. Advise from a guru groupy himself
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While some similar forces are at work here, it is different from capillary attraction, a process where glass or other solid substances attract water, but are not changed in the process (e.g., water molecules do not become suspended between the glass molecules).

The similar-sounding but unrelated word hydroscopic is sometimes used in error for hygroscopic. A hydroscope is an optical device used for making observations deep under water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygroscopy
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You live in a beautiful historic area. How is your Welsh?
Yeah it is now that you mention it, as usual though I take it for granted. The village itself has interesting history. Oliver Cromwell is said to have liked the pub up the road, and there's a secret underground passage joining the pub to the church which was used to make their escape from the authorities. My great great grandfather was one of these too, now I know where I get it from

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The only non-Welsh speaker in the family was my grandmother so up until secondary school she and TV was the only place I came across English. They didn't make Ghostbusters in Welsh so that might be a good thing!
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Hi orgonaut314:

I hate to see on this forum when people get personal with other members, this should not happen. We can disagree in a civilized manner, have discussions, but name calling is not the way to go.
I am not a capacitor expert but I am willing to learn and to experiment and then come to my own conclusions. If we are going to experiment with Tesla's Radiant Energy ideals, then we are going to need huge capacitors that we can build, otherwise buying them would be too expensive, at least for me.
Going back to a few of my previous posting where I asked a bunch of questions, but got no reply from anyone. If my questions are simple minded, let me know and enlighten me. If they are challenging, then let discuss them. As I indicated before, I am willing to experiment and is it not the experimentation what we are here for on this forum?
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Crystal Radios are free energy devices because they don't need batteries. They are powered by the very AM radio waves that they're tuned in to. This is a profound concept, but has its limitations because by the time the energy transmitted in those radio waves are received by the crystal radio, there isn't much left. There is barely enough to just power the headset so you can listen to the station. Some people have lit LED lights with Crystal Radios but its not really anything to write home about.

These AM radio waves are electromagnetic in nature and are known as Transverse Waves. These waves conform to the Inverse Square Law, which means that energy is diminished by the square of the distance. The further the waves are from the radio station, the less energy there is at the receiving end. So, if you wanted to power something significant at the receiving end, this is not the route you want to take.

Nikola Tesla figured out a more fruitful path many years ago and the concept is very simple. Every AM radio station not only transmits Transverse Waves through the air, it transmits Longitudinal Waves through the Earth! What is significant about this ground transmission is that it does not conform to the Inverse Square Law. The energy between the AM station and the receiver for this ground transmission does not diminish by the square of the distance. That means that the energy in this ground transmission has almost no loss between the transmitter and receiver. Therefore, if you wanted to power something significant from an AM transmission, this IS the route you want to take.

Get your copy now: Crystal Radio Initiative

In addition to the ground transmission being nearly lossless, it is also faster than the electromagnetic waves sent through the air. The electromagnetic waves are moving just about at light speed so if the longitudinal ground transmission gets to the receiving end faster, what does that tell you? It is not subject to light speed limitations. It is not faster than the speed of light, it is instantaneous for all practical purposes and is therefore Extraluminal.

To experience exactly what Tesla had his hands on, which obviously overturn the conventional apple cart, what you need is not just any Crystal Radio but a Tesla type Crystal Radio using a Tesla Resonant Transformer. It is similar to a regular Crystal Radio, but it does not have an antenna - that is all build into the coil and it connects to the Earth. It is also actually very simple in principle and you can figure out how to build your own real Tesla Resonant Transformer with nothing more than junior high school basic algebra.

Months ago, we gave out a free video presentation by Eric Dollard called the Crystal Radio Initiative along with a free 300 page book with all the notes, schematics and discussions on this open source project - that book and video are now part of a new package that has a brand new presentation.

Recently, Eric came here to Washington to work on some projects and to give a presentation teaching anyone how to calculate a real Tesla Resonant Transformer. And, you're going to learn it by the most authoritative expert in the world on the subject. It can be used for this Tesla Crystal Radio project, a Cosmic Induction Generator (another one of Eric's projects) or a multitude of other projects relating to the Tesla sciences. With one coil or a set of coils, you can do countless experiments just like what Eric has demonstrated over the last several decades.

Get your copy now: Crystal Radio Initiative

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Hi dR-Green:

The history of your village is indeed fascinating. I bet some times you go up the road to the tavern to get inspiration. So what do people do for living? From your pictures it looks like farming is an occupation, how about fishing? I doubt that there are many industries in the area. I know what you mean when one takes things for granted. The answer is to travel some time around the word and visit nasty places like Calcutta or the Barrio in Rio or Patagonia in the winter and when you return to home your appreciation for your place will increase.
I just received my order of 500 feet of insulated #10 gage copper wire, so now I can put in my underground telluric antenna (after the temperature cools down a bit, we had 102 F today). I think I will make it about 300 feet long. I will also replace the connecting bare copper wires on my star diagonal ground system with insulated wires between the rods and into the house. I know you said you will install a star radial in your back yard. I strongly advice that you read the reference I put on the forum about a month ago about proper installation of a star radial grounding system.
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I am not name calling or angree. Just some mild critisism here. For example the hygroscopy case that was mistreated in the past.

Another case is that Eric mentions in the youtube video's and in the book where so called dr ? Green stars there he mentions that people got small motors to work and small lamps to lighten up with the coils. All the time I have been around I never have seen dr Green getting small motors to work or even a led to light from an am station. So who is Etic revering to??? Or might he be making that up? It makes me think that if he made that up than what should I believe about his other succes stories. Fact is that I have seen nothing work except Polansky's work who is now fired for doing what Eric does. Nothing.

Questions about capacitors I have missed. Please ask again. I do have some knowledge in that field. I still work with Tesla coils and the aether.
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Another thing that bothers me is that Eric is very anti semitic is his writings. Why is that? It makes me feel sick.
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Another thing that bothers me is that Eric is very anti semitic is his writings. Why is that? It makes me feel sick.
I haven't seen any anti-Semitism. Plenty of anti-idiotism though.
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I purchased and watched the recent Tesla Resonant Transformer instructional video.

I love the instructional, class-room style videos. It makes it very understandable with diagrams and the algebra calculations shown are then calculated out, so there is no confusion of what’s going on.

It’s enlightening to see how for 570Kcps ¼ wave resonant coil of 20 turns the physical size and the grounding impedance required, as compared to the same frequency coil with 30 turns. Just 10 more turns makes a big difference for the overall size and construction of the coil.

The tutorial-like videos certainly seems to be the way to go in helping more experimenters learn about Tesla resonant coils. I was more than happy to pay the $7 to join the class room.

Who made the coil seen towards the end of the video? It would be great to see follow up video(s) as this coil progresses, showing resonant frequency analysis, tuning methods, impedance measurements or calculations, through to the transmission or reception. And as Aaron says, this from the most authoritative expert in the world on the subject!

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I second that. Look, active members of this forum, I have two purposes to be on this forum: one is to learn from you, second to experiment so I can harness some of that free energy surround us. I am sure everybody is trying hard and none of us is a Tesla or Einstein or a Steinmetz. I know I will share the result of my experiments, right or wrong, with all of you. I am not looking for monetary gain, only the "screw" the system, that holds back on what they know. So let's work together and succeed.
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