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Now I do not think that the ground wire could cause a rise in frequency because the wave is generated starting from the primary up in to the secondary coil.
It does. The wire has inductance and capacitance, and the wave doesn't simply propagate within the coil windings as if the the earthing wire is an impenetrable barrier, if it did then there would be no possibility of transmitting anything into the earth.

Ideally it should be a strip/strap and not a wire to minimise the inductance.
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The whole point is indeed to induce energy into the ground wire but that energy should be the 3,2MHz from my Tesla coil.

Somehow I am coupling energy into the ground wire from the primary coil bypassing the secondary coil. I can think of the primary capacitive inducing energy into the groundplane and s you said coupling into the wire that goes to the groundplane. Perhaps I need to place the coil higher? It is now 30cm above the groundplane. I can do some optimisation with the wires there.
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Somehow I am coupling energy into the ground wire from the primary coil bypassing the secondary coil.
I think you will find that if you short the secondary, this is not the case at all.

30-60cm above the ground plane is fine. The closer the coil is to the ground plane the frequency will begin to come down at some point, but also conversely the further away it is the longer the ground wire would need to be which will again start to bring the frequency down.

Also don't use LEDs for testing telluric output!
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Hi dR-Green the primary definately coupled into the groundplane where you guys use allu foil. I measured that (see earlier posts). I am going to move the coil up to 60 cm. Thanks all for listening. Taught it might be fun for people to watch what is going on in home situations.

Yesterday I saw a video that Eric will be putting up a transmitter coil somewhere sometime. Hope he will because to actually receive an AM station here I have to make a huge coil and than I would have to hope the frequency would be exactly right.
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Hmm occasionaly birds keep trying to fly into the hous I had the coil on all day.
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Also don't use LEDs for testing telluric output!
Sorry my bad, no LEDs for telluric testing. I think weíve covered this before somewhere. Small bulbs & neonís etc. okay
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Sorry my bad, no LEDs for telluric testing. I think weíve covered this before somewhere. Small bulbs & neonís etc. okay
I suppose they're ok in certain circumstances or used in addition to other methods to make sure they're not deceiving, but in series on the coil output is NFG.
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Guys when I read this Article by Tesla he says ground transmission of energy at 1MHz is impossible because of the water being heated during daytime. 50kHz seems to be maximum.

"The Disturbing Influence of Solar Radiation On the Wireless Transmission of Energy" by Nikola Tesla
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Guys when I read this Article by Tesla he says ground transmission of energy at 1MHz is impossible because of the water being heated during daytime. 50kHz seems to be maximum.

"The Disturbing Influence of Solar Radiation On the Wireless Transmission of Energy" by Nikola Tesla
Hadn't seen that article before, thanks for posting. Although he doesn't say transmission is impossible, but economic transmission.

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With waves 300 meters [1 MHz] in length economic transmission of energy is out of the question, the loss being too great. When using wave-lengths of 6,000 meters [50 kHz] it is still noticeable though not a serious drawback. With wave-lengths of 12,000 meters [25 kHz] it becomes quite insignificant and on this fortunate fact rests the future of wireless transmission of energy.
One thing is to prove that it's possible to begin with, for example, to communicate [on the 160 metre amateur band] over some distance through the earth [without a 40 metre high 1/4 wavelength antenna in the garden]. Whether the power is transmitted through brute force or through using amplifiers at the receiver, it will still prove the point that transmission that way is possible and far more accessible than a huge antenna. Also the amount of power required to reach a certain distance is something that remains to be discovered. Personally I haven't considered any upper limit for the future, but that said I also hadn't envisioned transmitting enough power to light LEDs on the other side of the planet, just get the signal there to start with.

It will also allow for doing the experiment proposed by Tesla at the end of the article. It's equally impractical/uneconomical to be building experimental coils designed for 25-50 kc because they would be massive and no one would be able to build it, using the smaller models more people can get involved and make such experiments possible. With nothing there are no experiments at all!
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Yes you are right and we could start experimenting by night because the sunlight is the problem.

What the article also points out pretty clear is why AM radio does not transmit through the air but through conduction in the ground as Tesla argues.

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' That the energy is transmitted chiefly, if not wholly, by conduction can be demonstrated in a number of ways. One is to replace the vertical transmitting wire by a horizontal one of the same effective capacity, when it will be found that the action on the receiver is as before. Another evidence is afforded by quantitative measurement which proves that the energy received does not diminish with the square of the distance, as it should, since the Hertzian radiation propagates in a hemisphere. One more experiment in support of this view may be suggested. When transmission through the ground is prevented or impeded, as by severing the connection or otherwise, the receiver fails to respond, at least when the distance is considerable. '
[/quote Tesla]

I am going to start to verify the countless stories that an AM radio with a ground antenne can receive the other side of the world where an air antenne can not.

About FM he compares that to heliography (light signalling) in other articles as it is a better way but still far less than transmitting through the ground and impossible for power.

I think Tesla very clearly makes the academically point here that everyone wants Maxwells electromagnetic dark light waves and Hertz experiments to be the new exciting way to transmit and that they are not thinking critically. If only Tesla would have had the opportunity to demonstrate his system like he was allowed to demonstrate his motors and generators. The explanations would have come later with probable a whole different science as a consequence.
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It's equally impractical/uneconomical to be building experimental coils designed for 25-50 kc because they would be massive and no one would be able to build it, using the smaller models more people can get involved and make such experiments possible. With nothing there are no experiments at all!
This is not entirely true! It is what I thought was true until I began a serious study of orthogonal parametric oscillators and harmonic generators.

With these, you are able to construct, with the proper iron powder or ferrite core, an oscillator that works without mutual inductance coupling between the primary and secondary.

What you have is the ability to have high inductance in a small footprint and the secondary can freely oscillate to very high reactive power levels free from transformer action and winding ratios.

Basically, if done correctly, with a top load capacitor; you end up with a system that behaves exactly like a Tesla coil at low frequencies. Actually, in my mind at least, it is a Tesla Transformer but with zero mutual coupling and only parametric coupling is present. 25 Khz is an easily obtainable feat.

Should I be wrong in my assumptions, (and oh my that is a very real possibility) then I apologize in advance and ask for the reasons that make my argument false.

I apologize for my posting the supporting document but it is four fifteen am. Let me know if you want to read it and I will search for it.

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Don't know as the secondary coil should have an electrical and magnetic wave that is max on top. With these iron cores you get a lot of magnetic coupling but little electrical coupling? Not the Tesla wave that Dollard demonstrates with his analog networks. Or do you meen something else than an iron core?
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Correct me if I am wrong. This is my understanding.

Waves are said to behave certain way within the boundary of a circuit as a closed system,
And all the conservation laws deal with a closed system.
Also there are different ways to view how the electromagnetic and longitudinal dielectric are related
and it is this point of view that is not conventional which are not on the same page with conventional.

It is thought that a pure super-luminal wave has a lower form or subset that is the electromagnetic and not the other way around.
The return of the magnetic wave to super-luminal was observed by Tesla and involved a storage of induced current
and an abrupt high voltage electrical discharge or disturbance.

We know the waves radiate from a circuit so the boundary condition changes.
When waves go beyond the boundaries of a circuit the method of equations expands and can include how the waves behave in an open system. It is necessary to refer to that boundary state.

Since we do not know where waves go when they cancel it is thought that they go to Counter space. In counter space the waves do not follow conventional laws. In speaking about a super-luminal wave above or below ground the radiating system is thought to have a mirror like condition. That is an antenna above and an antenna below ground as a mirror. In this way Tesla was not going to extremes with a grounding system but he was completing the mirror of what was above ground and it remains to be shown this can be an enhanced method using less power.
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Don't know as the secondary coil should have an electrical and magnetic wave that is max on top. With these iron cores you get a lot of magnetic coupling but little electrical coupling? Not the Tesla wave that Dollard demonstrates with his analog networks. Or do you meen something else than an iron core?
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...20-%201977.pdf

Somewhere in this wonderful document is a section on the parametric transformer. Thank you Arrend for providing this document, it helped me immensely.

As you will see, you can use two "C" cores arranged in a special way to provide a small common but orthogonal flux path. In other words, the magnetic field of the primary and secondary are normal to each other. The primary acts to vary the reluctance of this common area. There is NO mutual magnetic inductance! Because of this, the secondary is free to oscillate just like a tesla coil.

You can actually pump this with DC pulses and get extremely clean sine waves out of the secondary! You can use this to create harmonics as well!

If you ground one end of the secondary and attach a top capacitive load then you still have a quarter wave machine with the voltage anti-node on the top load just like a Tesla Coil.

Find the secondary quarter wave resonant frequency (F) and pump the primary with (2F)

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Recorded back in late February 2014. The testing of a single Spiral Tesla coil on CW 160 metres. The Telluric output terminal lighting vintage style, (not an antique) 25 watt filament bulbs (Same setup as previously posted etc.). Video quality isnít great due to camera compensation and poor lighting / variable light etc.

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Recorded back in late February 2014. The testing of a single Spiral Tesla coil on CW 160 metres. The Telluric output terminal lighting vintage style, (not an antique) 25 watt filament bulbs (Same setup as previously posted etc.). Video quality isnít great due to camera compensation and poor lighting / variable light etc.

Spiral TMT test - YouTube

Iíve posted this as my first U-tube video, more or less as a test, (a few minute video still took 8 hours upload)?? Ė Anyway when Iíve worked everything out, Iíll share some of my more recent tests. The sound of your own voice sounds goofy on video!

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Cool stuff, I like those vintage style bulbs. Quality/lighting looked fine to me. It takes you 8 hours to upload because it seems to be 1080p so the file is huge. You can probably change it to 720p in your camera settings, that will cut it down by nearly half. But unfortunately that will only apply to new recordings, everything else you've done so far will still take ages to upload.
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Thanks Eric! The transmission line part gets clearer to me. Beautiful document. Now the aether part and the Faraday tubes. I have seen these pictures from the aether particle from the atom and from the human body and they all look the same.
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I rarely have visitors in the lab so I took the opportunity to do a two person experiment earlier. Connections as shown.

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Recorded back in late February 2014. The testing of a single Spiral Tesla coil on CW 160 metres. The Telluric output terminal lighting vintage style, (not an antique) 25 watt filament bulbs (Same setup as previously posted etc.). Video quality isnít great due to camera compensation and poor lighting / variable light etc.

Spiral TMT test - YouTube

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Very impressive ! What kind of powersupply do you use for this setup? Can you post a schematic ?
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Very clever trick there dR-Green, I love it.

I donít think weíve seen that before on the forum!

I rarely have lab visitors either, but when the next appropriate visitor comes around I must give that one a try! - That is if I can find an enthusiastic experimental subject! Lol, It will probably have to be me or someone else whoís less than enthusiastic!

A result like that deserves a pictorial response!



How about using the receiver coil (or CIG) with certain bulbs and experimental subjects in between?



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A schematic of what part? There isnít a single schematic (not as yet). There is a system of schematics, each part takes its required learning. There are no real short-cuts. The people building this stuff have done so out of extensive research, study and hard work. I wasnít handed a schematic either, I had to learn about all of these things on my own. Although I asked some knowledgeable people certain questions and the answers from them lead me in the right direction.

So what I can give you is a block diagram of my particular setup as in the video.



So if you build yourself a transmitter, either using vacuum tubes (As Eric recommends) or use solid state as dR-Green has done. The transmitter will need a VFO & the transmitter needs its power supply. Then youíll need a Pi-network or other impedance matching network. Then you have the Primary Tank Circuit, (mine is 3T primary coil with ~900pF capacitor). Next is the Secondary coil. Build it as per Ericís instructions (mine happens to be in spiral form), use the 20% height to width ratio plans is better. Then you have the terminal capacitance (reflector) and then you have the monopole telluric output. The Extra coil is omitted in this particular diagram. A Radio licence is required unless you can dis-able any air transmission.

If you use the forum, do your own research & study, have the required building skills, ask the right questions about each of the puzzle pieces, you too could build your own real life Tesla Transformer. Good luck.

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A schematic of what part? There isnít a single schematic (not as yet). There is a system of schematics, each part takes its required learning. There are no real short-cuts. The people building this stuff have done so out of extensive research, study and hard work. I wasnít handed a schematic either, I had to learn about all of these things on my own. Although I asked some knowledgeable people certain questions and the answers from them lead me in the right direction.

So what I can give you is a block diagram of my particular setup as in the video.



So if you build yourself a transmitter, either using vacuum tubes (As Eric recommends) or use solid state as dR-Green has done. The transmitter will need a VFO & the transmitter needs its power supply. Then youíll need a Pi-network or other impedance matching network. Then you have the Primary Tank Circuit, (mine is 3T primary coil with ~900pF capacitor). Next is the Secondary coil. Build it as per Ericís instructions (mine happens to be in spiral form), use the 20% height to width ratio plans is better. Then you have the terminal capacitance (reflector) and then you have the monopole telluric output. The Extra coil is omitted in this particular diagram. A Radio licence is required unless you can dis-able any air transmission.

If you use the forum, do your own research & study, have the required building skills, ask the right questions about each of the puzzle pieces, you too could build your own real life Tesla Transformer. Good luck.

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Thank you very much for the time taken to write this comprehensive answer. Your block diagram is most helpful to get an overview for the Tesla transformer. I try hard to get a comprehensive knowledge of this technology, but when reading trough the forums as an amateur I am not able to judge what is important, less important and useless. So to get an overview when reading through the forums I have to condense all the useable knowledge until I can envision a starting point to build a specific transformer setup. So I have to envision by myself a specific setup, design it and build it. When I have seen your video on youtube, I thought that could be the set up I want to start to replicate.

There is still the question, what is the engineering goal, what can you expect and achieve with this set up?

Thank you very much for your time !
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whats pi-network? is pi network, like 3.17?
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A Pi network is a capacitor and inductor arrangement that looks like π, or the character Pi. It is an impedance matching network to match a source to a load impedance.

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Very clever trick there dR-Green, I love it.

I donít think weíve seen that before on the forum!

I rarely have lab visitors either, but when the next appropriate visitor comes around I must give that one a try! - That is if I can find an enthusiastic experimental subject! Lol, It will probably have to be me or someone else whoís less than enthusiastic!

A result like that deserves a pictorial response!

How about using the receiver coil (or CIG) with certain bulbs and experimental subjects in between?

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Thanks! Hehe I like the diagrams, although I think the experimental subject will have question marks floating around his head wherever he stands! It will be even better with your higher power setup. This is the second time I've done it, I usually stand in the middle myself to spare the visitors from plasma burns and what not. We also used 8x 1.5V grain of rice/wheat bulbs in series which looked more impressive/brighter than the big bulb, but my friend was nervous so the moment he started to feel a bit of heat he let go of the thin wires, so that only lasted a few seconds. I doubt he was getting plasma burns after the current had passed through me, that may have been caused by the bulb heating up as normal, but I had not mentioned what kind of effects I usually feel to see if he would comment on anything. But as you know thin wires are not usually the parts you want to hold on to.

This was the first attempt at the same thing a couple of years ago, using spark gaps back in the day.

A Bulb In Hand(s) - YouTube

A receiver works with a bulb and one person in between, so I expect it should work just the same with more people. The only question is the amount of power. Working a speaker on the receiving end is certainly possible.

It should be very good to see these things with a bit more power used!
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This is an updated experiment with the slightly higher power amplifier compared to last time, and with the bigger capacitance terminal/tuned extra coil. Last time a 1.5V grain of rice bulb was barely lit, this time it popped within seconds.

Basic setup is somewhat similar as shown in Colorado Springs Notes page 360, the difference being that my extra coil is connected to the top of the secondary rather than a ground plate.



Actual connections



28V bulb, transmitter not at full power



28V bulb, all the lab lights off



Within 3 minutes the 28V bulb had blown



240V 15W bulb



240V 15W bulb, all the lab lights off

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