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orgonaut314 telluric output

orgonaut314 hi astronod here .

ok on ya ballun always good to learn RF technics .

what ya can try is make 2 LED` s in antiparallel and hook it up between the down output and the ground plane start with signal gen power only .
search resonance gound plane is free floating no extra connection to ground.
if that work , replace the the 2 led` s with a small light buld like for the bike light or smaller . if you have no small light bulbs more leds antiparallel is ok to .
so it can hold about your 2 watts .
you can try to with just 2 leds and the 2 watts just gently put more use out of the signal gen .

the neon .. put it on a non conductivce stick and hold it to the top coil output .

one lead of the neon could hit the output of the top coil .

see what happen .

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About copper weight.

Hello Eric and everyone

I've been through the three threads, and start building something based on Eric's design. Thanks Eric, nobody have ever led so many people to the real world of real science. I hope I didn't miss some parts of the discussion, but I have a question stuck in my mind. As Eric said, the copper weight in the primary condenser, the primary, the secondary, and the extra coil should all be the same, and it's a important rule which should not be violated. My question is why it's so important? I know it is the rule but I just don't know the engineering explanation. I hope it's haven't been answered before, if it did is, please somebody point me in which thread and which post it is?

And Eric, thank you again, and thanks everybody else too.

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Hi mo19841116 / ming .

Active matter in the prim. coil must be about the same as in the sec. coil .
However due to High frequency there is skin effect .
So you can take area of your material , basic math. of wire its circle area and the length of the wire . for strap just count the sides and times the length .

in the time of tesla there was no skin effect in the text books due to the low frequency skin effect is deeper than HF like MW band or HF bands .
tesla use <100KHz . (VLF)

the capacitor tune in the prim coil you can count the area with the prim. coil if you have a plate or vacuum cap . with small mica caps you can leave the `extra` area out . . or just leave the tune cap extra area out .

there many online calulators who can help disign the right coils .

however this topic skin effect i already mention in my postings before .

due to the skin effect at >1MHz is small and smaller on higher freq. you can just take area of the material but if you want to do it perfect what you wont measure ..... you should count the depth into the material as well .
this take much more complex calculations .

I hope this helps ... donate some time to you

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Hello Eric and everyone

I've been through the three threads, and start building something based on Eric's design. Thanks Eric, nobody have ever led so many people to the real world of real science. I hope I didn't miss some parts of the discussion, but I have a question stuck in my mind. As Eric said, the copper weight in the primary condenser, the primary, the secondary, and the extra coil should all be the same, and it's a important rule which should not be violated. My question is why it's so important? I know it is the rule but I just don't know the engineering explanation. I hope it's haven't been answered before, if it did is, please somebody point me in which thread and which post it is?

And Eric, thank you again, and thanks everybody else too.

Ming
These coils are about the energy in the dielectric next to the electromagnetic wave.
It seems there is a connection between this dielectric energy and gravitation. If that speculation is right than the mass is something to concentrate the dielectric energy in the same space between primary and secondary coil. Making one bigger would be something like making the primary coil have a bigger diameter and a lot of magnetic energy goes wasted.

I am only speculating here.

But equal mass on same material means equal volume. The skin effect makes it equal surface. So only the mass that carries a current is taken into account.

On the other hand it might be just to make the two coils have the same capacity? But than the rule that the capacitor and the inductor in the primary would have to be the same volume does not make sense to me.
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There is a strange thing with my Tesla coil now.

For instance I put the driver on this morning and there is a hell of a radiation coming from the coil. On the driver side of the balun I measure 13,2V and 100mA. That makes 1,3 Watt. I had to tune the input down to keep the radiation meter in a normal scale. It is maximum now.

However the resonance has shifted to 3,69 MHz.

Yesterday it was 3,2 MHz and I had 750 miliWatt on the driver with a much higher input voltage. So it was radiating much less than and the frequency was 3,2MHz.

Now I know that after some time the radiation will drop again to the normal intensity at the normal frequency that is called normal because that was the resonance with the sinus generator only.

So I have to conclude that the coil is suddenly resonating very intense at a higher frequency. Any one have an explanation?
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LOL I just figured out what causes the radiation to drop it was opening and closing the door! My earth wire is going through the door and somehow the door makes for extra capacitance in the ground wire (turned out to be a bad connection to ground). Leaving the door open is best.

The next thing is that there seem to be two resonances all the time. Have to figure that one out now.
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Ok there are definitely two resonances. One was between the primary and the balun and its radiation was low to the ground at 3,7 MHz. The other was the very sharp peak at 3,2MHz that came from the top of the Tesla coil.

I now have some 600 mili Watt into that resonance.
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Also I want to thank everyone who has donated to the campaign so far, however big or small. It is very nice of you all to donate your hard earned money. It is very gracious of you all to help move this project forward. All I can say is i am extremely grateful, I assure you your money will be put to good use! Thank you so much.

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Aaron,
Most of what Eric has to offer is very interesting, exciting and a challenge but does not give us 'Energy Synthesis' where we are able to power our own homes.

Do you have any idea where Steven Mark is these days as his system and his device have gone to ground?
Have chosen the TPU as the best possible means to gain this energy and studying up on its organisation as it is the best for all to build as it is motionless and just a good combination of coils and electronics that anyone can build with some kind of a profound electronics background that might include Vacuum Tubes.
Any assistance in this area would be greatly appreciated.
Steven was most disappointed by some individuals on Forums that simply failed to comprehend or follow the advice he was giving and in the end, shied away from that medium as so too does Eric.

Is it at all possible that the CIG (Cosmic Induction Generator) will lead to an eventual 'Energy Synthesis' device in the near future?

What this device actually does for those not yet up the curve, is to generate your own Cosmos and within this medium you can negotiate your own energy delivering system.
The comprehension of two opposing forces in natural balance is the answer to a platform for energy extraction and that is what I see the CIG being as such.
We are no longer dealing with a thing called 'electricity' and that is what we need to establish in our minds is that what we call classical or artificial electricity, no longer applies.
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Hi mo19841116 / ming .

Active matter in the prim. coil must be about the same as in the sec. coil .
However due to High frequency there is skin effect .
So you can take area of your material , basic math. of wire its circle area and the length of the wire . for strap just count the sides and times the length .

in the time of tesla there was no skin effect in the text books due to the low frequency skin effect is deeper than HF like MW band or HF bands .
tesla use <100KHz . (VLF)

the capacitor tune in the prim coil you can count the area with the prim. coil if you have a plate or vacuum cap . with small mica caps you can leave the `extra` area out . . or just leave the tune cap extra area out .

there many online calulators who can help disign the right coils .

however this topic skin effect i already mention in my postings before .

due to the skin effect at >1MHz is small and smaller on higher freq. you can just take area of the material but if you want to do it perfect what you wont measure ..... you should count the depth into the material as well .
this take much more complex calculations .

I hope this helps ... donate some time to you

all the best .

de PD7Z
Thanks AstroNod and orgonaut314
I'm following the steps to build the TMT. There is a question that confused me. First we choose a frequency and caculate a wire length with Eric's formula, then have a luminal velocity and frequency caculated with the speed of light and this wire length. And then we have a velocity and frequency in free space caculated with this wire length by Eric's formula. Then we actually measure the actual velocity and frequency. There are three pairs of velocity and frequency. My question is, is this caculated wire length for the chosen frequency a "must be", or just a initial guide? What is the difference if I just cut some wire and make the measured frequency equal to the designed frequency, or I still have to put some ring capacitor to avoid cutting the wire ?

Is it that, the ring capacitor is just for experimental usage, and in actual working model, we only use the actual velocity and frequency and the luminal and free space pairs just for analysis? Becaue I didn't see Tesla's design have any adjustable capacitor at the end of the secondary, and the secondary and the extra coil are actually in directly joint, both in CSN and the patant diagram.

Thanks again

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Thanks AstroNod and orgonaut314
I'm following the steps to build the TMT. There is a question that confused me. First we choose a frequency and caculate a wire length with Eric's formula, then have a luminal velocity and frequency caculated with the speed of light and this wire length. And then we have a velocity and frequency in free space caculated with this wire length by Eric's formula. Then we actually measure the actual velocity and frequency. There are three pairs of velocity and frequency. My question is, is this caculated wire length for the chosen frequency a "must be", or just a initial guide? What is the difference if I just cut some wire and make the measured frequency equal to the designed frequency, or I still have to put some ring capacitor to avoid cutting the wire ?

Is it that, the ring capacitor is just for experimental usage, and in actual working model, we only use the actual velocity and frequency and the luminal and free space pairs just for analysis? Becaue I didn't see Tesla's design have any adjustable capacitor at the end of the secondary, and the secondary and the extra coil are actually in directly joint, both in CSN and the patant diagram.

Thanks again

Ming
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There should not be much left unanswered, it is all in the "Theory of Wireless Power" and "Impulses, Waves and Discharges." But all of this pre-supposes a working knowledge of radio frequency lines and antennae.

Velocity depends on aspect ratio. If Secondary ratio is 18%, velocity is luminal, this only at 18%. So make the coil 20% and the velocity is a bit faster than luminal. The reason, to compensate for the slowing caused by insulation.

The secondary is coupled to other coils and capacitance. This lowers the velocity greatly. Thus to compensate the coil wire is shortened by 2/pi=0.63662=63.7% to bring the frequency back up to the proper value.

As for the extra coil; for a coil aspect ratio of 100% the coil effective velocity is 187% that of luminal velocity (along the coil wire). This coil is burdened down by insulation and gradient rings as well as what little coupling Exists. Thus the coil Wire is lengthened to 157% velocity factor. This is to say, rather than calculating the extra coil on a velocity of 187% that of light along the coil wire to figure the quarter wave, we now instead, in order to compensate for the burden, use a velocity of 157% that of light along the coil wire to figure quarter wave. 157% is equal to pi/2.

Therefore, secondary 2/pi, extra coil pi/2.

(Longer Extra)/(Shorter Sec.) = (pi/2)/(2/pi)=pi^2/4=2.465

Where pi is a correction factor, not an intrinsic mathematical relation. But it may be that by using pi some "magic" resonance may take form. (Experiment and see).

Also important in the use of gradient rings at coil ends. These are like capacitors and keep losses low by not stressing insulation with flux concentrations. Quarter inch copper tubing fine. It must be slotted so as not to be a shorted turn! Connect end wire of coil to ring, it is a final turn.
A tuning condenser will also have the effect of increasing the selectivity/reducing the frequency response of the coil. When the coil is "free" it responds to a much wider frequency band than if it's tuned down to a certain frequency.

Also there are some differences between Eric's design and the CS coil.

As for the condenser in that case, this (slightly modified) diagram is from CS Notes. Although in the text Tesla states that as he has it it doesn't affect the frequency much. But at the same time a scale model in "free" resonance has a much higher measured propagation velocity than the CS coil due to the stray inductance and capacitance. So if matching that is the goal then it still has to be tuned down.

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Also I want to thank everyone who has donated to the campaign so far, however big or small. It is very nice of you all to donate your hard earned money. It is very gracious of you all to help move this project forward. All I can say is i am extremely grateful, I assure you your money will be put to good use! Thank you so much.

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I’ve been on vacation and away from a keyboard for the past week or so.

@JP - Nice job with your introduction and fundraising campaign for the CIG project. Albeit via the internet, it’s nice to finally meet you JP! - To put a face and voice behind the typing of words. Also your website JohnPolakowkskiScience.com is great.

Impressive is the attention to detail regarding 1KW transmitter, for instance the crafted housings for the 829b tubes including fans look great and are certainly ideal for the task.

I’m yet to throw some coins into the hat but will do so soon. I can’t quite afford to contribute as much coin as I would like to, however I’ll also be forwarding the campaign through the networks here, which hopefully might add a few more $. – Good luck with it all.

I’ll be aggressively building again and hope to have some further progress to share soon. My TMT/CIG (Receiver or other half of the CIG nears completion and testing will soon begin). Also working on “what makes the best reflector” or terminal capacitance, in order to optimise the terminal reflection and thus the telluric output. (Although for the CIG the opposite may be best). Secondary coils only at this stage. - Also some videos have been, made just have to upload them when there is time.


@All: Good to see others having a crack at this too, particularly the newer people like Astronod, & mo19841116 (Ming). @Astronod, - I wrote you a reply recently regarding your work and some of your videos, but I’ve lost/misplaced the file before I was able to post it. – Maybe I’ll find it. - How’s the burnt finger now? Ouch, - It can bite!

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A tuning condenser will also have the effect of increasing the selectivity/reducing the frequency response of the coil. When the coil is "free" it responds to a much wider frequency band than if it's tuned down to a certain frequency.

Also there are some differences between Eric's design and the CS coil.

As for the condenser in that case, this (slightly modified) diagram is from CS Notes. Although in the text Tesla states that as he has it it doesn't affect the frequency much. But at the same time a scale model in "free" resonance has a much higher measured propagation velocity than the CS coil due to the stray inductance and capacitance. So if matching that is the goal then it still has to be tuned down.

Thank you dR-Green, your reply has wiped out all my confusion except one. When I done building the coils and actually measure them, I found they are somehow not at the same frequency. Like the designed frequency is 3.5Mhz, then the secondary is at 3.6-3.7, and extra coil is at 3.4, we can adjust the ring capacitor to make the secondary back to 3.5Mhz, but adding a top to extra coil will drag the frequency even more. At this stage, what should we do? Certainly we should do something to the extra coil, but how? To cut some wire and enlarge the turn-to-turn space? Or some other methods?

And as we go further, just assuming the secondary and extra coil are all perfect and resonate sharp and nice, now we need add a primary capacitor to the primary loop. When I make the primary LC circuit resonate at 3.5Mhz as former stated and put them in place with the secondary, I found the secondary and extra coil's frequency will always split into two. And the higher the coefficient of coupling, the larger the gap of this two frequency. What we do now? What will the frequency of the power supply be in real wireless transmission?

Thanks again

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Thank you dR-Green, your reply has wiped out all my confusion except one. When I done building the coils and actually measure them, I found they are somehow not at the same frequency. Like the designed frequency is 3.5Mhz, then the secondary is at 3.6-3.7, and extra coil is at 3.4, we can adjust the ring capacitor to make the secondary back to 3.5Mhz, but adding a top to extra coil will drag the frequency even more. At this stage, what should we do? Certainly we should do something to the extra coil, but how? To cut some wire and enlarge the turn-to-turn space? Or some other methods?

And as we go further, just assuming the secondary and extra coil are all perfect and resonate sharp and nice, now we need add a primary capacitor to the primary loop. When I make the primary LC circuit resonate at 3.5Mhz as former stated and put them in place with the secondary, I found the secondary and extra coil's frequency will always split into two. And the higher the coefficient of coupling, the larger the gap of this two frequency. What we do now? What will the frequency of the power supply be in real wireless transmission?

Thanks again

Ming
The whole thing is experimental. Eric goes on from the previous quote to say:

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Also, tuning a coupled extra and secondary coil is an effort for the master, not the novice thus all effort must go into the secondary coil and its primary coupled resonator, or primary coil-condenser structure.
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The secondary winding is the prime mover of this transformer. Here the system operating frequency is established , and then locked in place by a primary resonator. This in itself establishes a telluric transmission network, a basic resonant transformer with a mono-polar connection at the secondary neutral. Another transformer can be constructed, identical in every way except wound in an opposite direction to the first coil. Interlinking the neutrals of these two counter-wound transformers enables a one wire transmission between the two units. This is the basic telluric system. No more is needed than this.

The extra coil is employed in order to magnify the potential to much higher values than possible with only a secondary winding*. This however involves ratios of refractions and reflection that are difficult to calculate or even understand. Hence its complications are best avoided in basic telluric testing.

*This will increase receiving sensitivity, or "gain"

Two modes are possible for extra coil in relation with the secondary coil. Both involve quarter wave resonant rise, this the fundamental of resonant transformation. Its also known as constant potential to constant current transformation. A constant potential is a zero impedance (short circuit) a constant current is a zero admittance (open circuit). Departure from these zero values alters the coil distribution to something other than a quarter wave.

This quarter wave can exist in a distinct pair of manifestations. The first mode is when the quarter wave is distributed over the length of both extra and secondary windings as a whole, a pair of eighth waves let us say. This is the TANDEM mode. A multiplication in potential is derived hereby since the extra coil exhibits a higher transmission impedance thereby giving rise to a greater EMF between turns and thus a higher termination potential. All photos of my Bolinas and Integratron setups operated in this mode. It is the easy one to achieve.

The second mode of the extra coil and secondary coil connection involves two quarter wave distributions, one on each coil. This is not to be considered a half wave however. This mode is the CONCATENATED connection.It compounds the quarter wave resonant rise of the secondary coil with another quarter wave rise in the extra coil, hence a concatenated resonant rise. This is the holy grail of resonant transformer design and unheard of potentials may be gained in this manner. To derive this analytically is extremely difficult, it is an advance transmission line problem. It might not even be possible to calculate or even achieve this mode of resonance, but we are going to give it a try. Tesla dreamed of this mode but electrical knowledge was in its infancy in Tesla's Colorado years.



An excellent addendum to this is the John Miller Paper "Electrical Oscillations in Antennae and Induction Coils" provided with Eric Dollard's paper "Introduction to Dielectric and Magnetic Discharges in Electrical Windings". It can be seen here:

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...0remake%29.pdf
There's a lot more information scattered in the 3 Eric Dollard threads but some is compiled here

Tesla Magnifying Transmitter/Eric Dollard Type Coils Compendium

As for the extra coil, Eric's (tentative) design assumes a propagation velocity of 157% in order to operate at the design frequency. Apparently others have done this or come close, but using solid copper wire and wooden dowels the maximum I ever got was about 129% (although you have to be very careful about the connecting wires from the oscillator to the extra coil to get the highest possible propagation - a coupling capacitor should be connected directly by its legs to the extra coil input because any additional lengths of wire have notable effects in bringing the frequency down etc). But all these are without any terminal capacitance, so the theoretical design must be on that basis. I then adjusted the wire length according to the measured propagation velocity, and obviously it's also possible to do the same with a terminal capacitance in place, but that introduces the problem of the size of the terminal capacitance.

But as can be seen in Eric's quote the first step is to tune the primary and secondary. The coupling should be adjusted for "maximum" magnification factor (in basic terms narrowest frequency response) so that in theory the slightest interaction at the designated frequency will set the coil into action, but obviously at some point it will become less efficient with the distance between the coils so that's another thing to be experimented with. John P (jpolakow) recently posted his experiments along these lines.

Assuming the secondary frequency is locked and the extra coil won't knock it off (at least too much), then it can be thought of as a basic AC source which puts the extra coil back into being considered the same as during first testing (alone). The problem is then what is the resonant frequency of the extra coil, either with direct connection to the secondary or through a coupling condenser, because the coupling capacitance and connecting wires etc affects its frequency. So the extra coil in place has some resonant frequency that is different to when its tested alone. So somehow you must discover what that would be, and ignoring a terminal capacitance, adjust the wire length so it ends up at the correct frequency when it's in place.
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Here is a short video showing some of the early work John Polakowski did on the Cosmic Induction Generator with Eric Dollard. This was last year during one of my early visits to Eric’s lab.


In the video, John is working on the coils and he and Eric are working the bugs out of the old Navy transmitters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZVMVtBdmsA



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Hi All,

I am having a problem optimising the Tesla coil with tube driver and pi-filter.

On the picture you can see the pi filter that has two variabel capacitors and an inductor. It works perfect to match the impedance of the tubes with the Tesla coil except that it has a certain design frequency where it is optimum.

So my question is how do you find the optimum frequency for the Tesla coil when using a pi-filter? When I just try to maximise the radiation I end on the optimum frequency for the pi filter and that was a little higher than the optimum for the Tesla coil without the pi-filter.

Perhaps I should design a pi with a very broad Q? Or should I find the optimum frequency otherwise and just leave the sinusgenerator there? How do you guys do this?



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Noone? To be more specific if I optimise the radiation I end at the optimum frequency of the pi filter and that is not the optimum for the Tesla coil. So I have no way to get the Tesla coil in the right resonance mode. If I'm just interested in maximum radiation this is not a problem but I am afraid that when the frequency is off that my Tesla coil is radiating normal transversal electromagnetism?

For now I tune with the sinus solid state generator and stay at that frequency.
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What do you mean by optimising the radiation? From where??

The Tesla coil will either be resonant or not. If it's resonant then you will have maximum output in terms of (relative) radiation and Telluric output simultaneously, if it's not resonant then nothing much will happen at all.

Also it's hard to tell what's what in your image, but I suspect that your Pi network is the thing that's pretty scattered on the middle board? In which case get rid of those clip leads and solder the whole thing with as little conductor lengths as possible between all the parts. It's a hassle when it comes to experimental arrangements, but the clip leads generally have such an effect that they render those results useless/inapplicable compared to proper connections, they only allow for approximations.
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Hi dR-Green I measure the radiation coming from the coil with a beer can and a nano ampere meter connected to ground with a diode behind it. Now when I connect the solid state sinusgenerator direct to the variabel cap and Tesla coil I get a resonance at 3,2MHz. This was optimised as you described in your coil compendium.

Now for the driver with the tube. The pi-filter is optimised on 3,4MHz and as it turns out the Q from the Tesla seems small enough to still resonate at 3,4MHz perhaps at halve intensity. Now because the driver is peaking very sharp at 3,4MHz my maximum shifts to 3,4MHz. If somehow this pi-filter was less sharp I think my maximum would stay around 3,2MHz.

As for the clips. No clips I only use them with my HF detector that is a digital dc voltmeter with a detector that is a germanium diode rectifier. Works very good. The diode has very low capacitance and can stand 117V. The small crocodile clips where the ones with the smallest capacity that is why I use them there. The rest is soldered. I use the HF detector to measure the voltage on the pi-filter and the current going in so I have an idea what the max power is that I am sending. I am still below a Watt so I don't have to fear the radio control police.
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Well forget about my question suddenly my optimum is at 3,2MHz again and does not shift to higher frequencies anymore. It was very strange to start with but it seems now fixed. I have no clue what happened yesterday must have been something with the coil I guess or something else working as an antenne ??? It might be something with the ground connection. I use a copper tube a few meters into the ground but there was a lot of rain this week and strange things happened.

Two other strange observations. Two times a bird tried to fly into my door and that never happened before. It happened when I was pumping power into the antenne and I know bird navigate with magnetics. Strange.

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Two other strange observations. Two times a bird tried to fly into my door and that never happened before. It happened when I was pumping power into the antenne and I know bird navigate with magnetics. Strange.

Thanks!
I’ve found the pi-network works pretty good, obviously constructed around your intended frequency. Using low power, one watt you still might be able to light a small bulb and or a string of LED’s off the Telluric Output. The Pi-network, particularly the impedance matching variable capacitor will help maximise your output once you’ve found your resonant frequency. Sort of a back and forth adjustment. As dR-Green said make all your leads as short as possible.

Interesting about those birds! Look out the window!!



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Thanks I am trying to make everything perfect. I made a double ground plate and soldered everything again making sure the copper wire to the garden was connected well. The pi-filter is still experimental but the wires are short and a little secret they are partial gold wire (copper wire with a gold coating). I spaced the caps to much but that is experimental. If the frequency goes up again I wil check the ground connection first.

One other observation and I said it before. I think using tube power and the Tesla coil makes the radiation much stronger. Vassilatos said that also carbon makes the aether current stronger with respect to the electron current. I think the vaccuum and the high voltage in the tube does something too. Gold wire is also important, gold does not rust must have something to do with that.

But the observation was that I used a short part of PVC tubing in the coil and I got a hell of a headache. Is only one observation and the explanation might very well be coincidence but not using the PVC (or actually spreading a layer on it with among others stuff beewax) solved this.

I have a lot of experience in audio and materials and that investigation showed that one can get a life like audio using the right materials. As if there is a signal on top of the audio that transports information like 3d space and emotions (counterspace?). We had a lot of research in that area and the person that did it experimented with large groups of listeners (he was a professor) and they really discovered something but I won't go to deep there. To be short be careful with material that hold molecules like PVC that are poisonous to people. But you have to check each plastic on its own.

Pumping up the power using tubes and Tesla something happens is my feeling.

Now to the bird. They are believed to navigate on Leylines. I hope that translates right. Leylines are lines that transport the radiation from the sun across the earth but not the light, the ordening part. Something very like telluric currents I suspect. Possible they are man made lines in the middle ages. Now perhaps I am dragging a Leyline into my house through the antenne? Perhaps works better depending on ground conditions. Don't know but be aware of the possibility when you experiment

Yesterday I was watching this video of Eric again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TttHkDRuyZw
(read the fourquadrant book next to understand it)

The electric universe. Stopping a car by grounding the coulomb lines in counterspace without the energy having to go somewhere in the space of the brakes. That is something to ponder on. This whole universe is electromagnetic even inertness is.
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When you skip to 3:08 in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TttHkDRuyZw

Eric explains that when you have a Tesla coil that has the capacitance and the inductance energy equal in resonance than you have a monopolar situation where the upper end is grounded into counterspace through the electric field and the lower end is going into the earth.

That explains it all pretty well

The rest is optimisation.

About this optimisation I have a question. Does the extra coil do the same thing as using a power amplifier that is producing a lot of energy does like Polakowski's transmitter? Or does the extra coil do it in a better way? I mean in Polakowski's experiment could he have uses extra coils to make it even stronger?
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I was going to suggest using bird ladder between components.
Bird is the word.

As you work through the system you want test points to show waveform.
This extra detail is in respect to reducing unwanted effects. Chop 22 inches of rg-58 for connecting components. later you can install a dedicated exciter.
Show me a really good oscillator and It will be the makings of a really good amplifier. So it is done in stages. You can decide to use parallel or series tank
circuit. I lean toward series tank at this point using open system or coupling.
There are negative resistances found at most stages. ref Gabriel Kron 1945.

The tendency for the reaction coil to shift to various frequencies is most likely hand capacitance, local fm stations and working on the floor.

I would like to focus back on post 70 where Eric had previously asked why
AM transmitter had connection point between reaction coil and the extra coil.
He also talked about mag amps and iron loss when working outside the BH curve and time loop. Here it is. here it is.

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You are right now that I matched the impedance of the tubes with the coil I should also match it to the impedance of the cable so I have to make a ladder 300 Ohm or so.

I also have to make some accurate measurements of the impedance of the coil and the tube driver. I more or less guessed them and that turns out reasonable well but there is room for optimisation. Think I will use a known resistance and measure the voltage over the coil with and without the resistance.


It is a nice learning RF road this coil design
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Exactly! That seems to be the point people are missing when they complain at not being handed a ready made design.

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About this optimisation I have a question. Does the extra coil do the same thing as using a power amplifier that is producing a lot of energy does like Polakowski's transmitter? Or does the extra coil do it in a better way? I mean in Polakowski's experiment could he have uses extra coils to make it even stronger?
The extra coil raises the potential which seems to result in a much improved output for the same input power. As far as lighting filament bulbs with a single wire for example, there is a lot more light produced by the higher potential through using the extra coil despite the fact that the power input remains the same as it was without the extra coil.
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Tried a simple ladder with gold coated wire. The coil 'feels' much better and some of the radiation is going into my audio system and the music gets better a lot.



btw also had the frequency shift again and it was caused by the groundwire. This wire adds to the total secondary coil so when it is missing the frequency rises. Or it is the frequency generator because switching on and of fixed it now.
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Now to the bird. They are believed to navigate on Leylines. I hope that translates right. Leylines are lines that transport the radiation from the sun across the earth but not the light, the ordening part. Something very like telluric currents I suspect. Possible they are man made lines in the middle ages. Now perhaps I am dragging a Leyline into my house through the antenne? Perhaps works better depending on ground conditions. Don't know but be aware of the possibility when you experiment
Ley-lines, Earth magnetic lines, Vril, natural Telluric Currents or in general “Non-Electromagnetic Lines of the Earth” could possibly be manipulated or influenced by these TMT devices once they are properly grounded. It may be a beneficial influence or perhaps less so. This is something to be very mindful of as experimenters. - It may be found a TMT may attract Ley-lines over time and connect to them, like an organic growth. It may be found a TMT wound in the opposite direction repel Ley-lines(?) It may also depend if there are any significant natural Ley-lines nearby.

So do Monopole TMT telluric outputs affect these natural non-electromagnetic lines of the Earth in some manner? – A possibility.

Here is opening for more extensive research & study for sure.
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All I know that I have had these resonance changes while I checked the sinus from the generator yet restarting the generator seemed to fix it. I also had them while I checked the earth connection that seemed good yet moving the earth connection seemed to fix it. Also Opening the door seemed to fix it and that seemed because the ground wire was moved that way.
Now I do not think that the ground wire could cause a rise in frequency because the wave is generated starting from the primary up in to the secondary coil. The ground wire is under the point where the wave is generated. When I use a rope analogy it would be like the hand is somewhere in the middle of the rope making the wave upward and the ground wire is below the hand. Most of the hand energy goes upward and is reflected at the hand and some of it goed through that point into the ground. So the length of the ground wire should not influence the resonance frequency I think.
Than what does? It is still not understood by me. Perhaps a ley line is pulled in? Resonating at a nearby frequency? Would explain the birds but I don't know I will be looking for other explanations. Probable something stupid. I will report back.
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I think I found out a bit better what was going on. I had this frequency rise again and found out that the radiation was strongest outside the house and that explains why opening the door was an influence. Well turns out the earth connection acts like an antenne. If the power goes up the earth antenne takes over and the Tesla produces less. Than I can completely open the cap for the pi filter and go for a much higher frequency probable determined by the pi filter in combination with the grounding wire.

By optimising with lower power and a better earth connection the whole thing works normal again
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