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Old 03-12-2014, 12:36 PM
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Doing some more measurements I get Amplification=3. I have two 6sn7 next to each other now. This seems reasonable?

So with 3k internal resistance my Tesla impedance must be around 550 Ohm.
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4:1 balun

hello orgonaut314,
you need a 4:1 balun trasnformer

very easy can be made of small a pig nose or small ring ferrite or ferrite rod.

turn ratio = square root (Zamp/Zprim) thats is in your case 4.47 or 4:1 ballun

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dutch ham site

4:1 balun design and operation
usa site .

lot can be found on how to make a 4:1 balun .

than A would be 15 a 20 .

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I am thinking I am making all my calculations on the voltage amplification. Perhaps I should look at the power amplification? The input has a 4mA and the output has a 20mA so the current is amplified by 5. The power is also amplified by 5 x 3 = 15? Is this true?
But I see that if the voltage would be higher the current would stay the same so the power would be even bigger

Thanks for the balun idea! But it would change the output impedance to a low one and Eric said it should be high but I don't know why.

A lot to pounder
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hi orgonaut , here astronod .

the Z is high just 6000 ohms the transformer make from 6K -300 ohms
the amp see 6 K .

Almost all amplifiers RF have transformers . even tube audio amps ..

big tube stage rf might have pi matching .

i would go for the pig nose ar small core take you 10 min to make .

A of 5 is good i got 4 with just 6 turns sec at about 10MHz

i did look at your photo looks ok . the output cables from the amp can be better make 2 banana chassis also on the prim coil the cap tune prim need to be closer to the coil with strap copper to the tune cap .
make open feeder like 2 wires parallel with about 1 a 1/2 inch spacing for you 300 ohms coil sometimes i use thick cardboard to make spacers for my feed lines . just make little cards 2 x 1 inch or smaller and drill the holes for the wires with the right spacing , make one for every 15 a 20 cm . use wire about 2.5mm is fine copper . loudspeaker wire .

at the moment i make a extra prim. coil for the extra coil i made .
so thats a perfect teslacoil not what the normal telsa spark coils are with wrong spacing not 62% and no basic tmt calculations to get the extra coil dim. it will have telluric output to and groundplane reflector . the prim coil is 50mm wide strap and wil have 62% spacing to thats 31mm and it have 4 turns this size is due to the size in Aextra = Aprim

just a nice extra test to see how good the real tesla coils will do .

than i would make it so that it fit in the TMT i made . i know what to do to make it good in tune with the right ring caps after days of experimenting .

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Hi Astronod,

A pig nose seems the right thing to try! Thanks. I suppose this info is in the radio amateur book that I still have to read

When using pulses however I can imagine that a high output impedance of the driver would cause less damping of the oscillations but I'm driving it at a steady sinus than I guess the impedance of the driver does not matter. Please correct if this is wrong.

As for the photo. I do have to work on the wires. Thans again for the practical tips! I am buying sheet coper right now to make my own capacitor to match the surface of the primary. I will try to use cd's (polycarbonate) as dielectric material. A screw through the hole in the middel. Hope it works

As for the tube power. I noticed that the healing effect is much musch stronger with the tubes than it was with the transistor frequency generator. I suspect Vasilatos is right if he says tubes and carbon make for aether current. This thing does really amazing thins for me right now. I don't know it is frequency related yet.
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Hey guys I have some updates- I was finally able to catch some pictures of the dark spot in the fluorescent tube! That's just one thing though- it started this past weekend when I invited some friends over to my house for a demonstration...

I wanted to repeat some of the tests I did with Eric at the lab. Also I wanted to try to capture on film the dark spot on the fluorescent bulb. Also I have a higher voltage power supply at my house, and I wanted to turn up the power to the TCS a little bit. So I hooked up the TCS, coils, capacitor, and power supply like before. When I turned everything on I wasnít getting any field detected in between the two coils. I started troubleshooting and realized the TCS wasn't putting out any RF. I was slightly embarrassed because I had invited these people over for a demonstration, so I started trying to figure out what was wrong with the TCS. (After all it had worked fine at the lab!)

Here's the schematic for the transmitter:


There's a keyer, and you have to hold a switch closed to trigger the rf output. I looked at the schematic and first wanted to make sure I was getting output at the plates of the tubes. When you close the switch for the keyer, a relay is triggered which simultaneously applies plate voltage AND connects the transmitter to the antenna output. I verified the relay was working and that I was getting output at the plates of the tubes. In between the plates of the tubes and the output of the transmitter is a band switch, variable mutual inductance coupling, a variable loading coil, a fixed capacitance, and RF ammeter, and the antenna relay. I was short on time so I just took some clip leads and connected the Tesla Coil primary tank to the primary of the mutual inductance, L107 in the schematic. This way I was able to get output to do a demo without having to troubleshoot the entire output circuit. It looks pretty simple but all those components are difficult to reach inside the transmitter. I was able to do a demo of the coils and resolved to troubleshoot the transmitter after the weekend.
Monday came and I started diving into the transmitter. I tested everything, the band switch, the capacitor, the RF ammeter, the switch for the fixed capacitance... trying to figure out why I wasn't getting any output. I finally figure out what was wrong- one of those super simple things I completely overlooked- dirty relay contacts. The keyer relay was working perfectly fine, the plate voltage was being applied, but some dirt or oxidation was preventing the RF from getting across the relay contacts. The only reason I bring all of this up is because it had a HUGE difference in the output of the transmitter. Once fixed, I tested to make sure I was getting output by using an incandescent bulb as a load:

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Old 03-13-2014, 06:07 PM
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By bypassing the variable mutual inductance, L107, the tube plates were driving the primary tank circuit directly. I was not able to change the coupling between the plate tank circuit and the primary tank circuit. I didn't realize how big of a deal this was until I saw the operation with and without this feature. (Obviously the designers of this transmitter knew what they were doing!) What the consequences are is that if the coupling isnít variable, the primary coil tank circuit is tied to the output impedance of the tubes, and the tube tank circuit. Tubes generally have a high output impedance so this limited the amount of energy that was able to be imparted to the primary tank. With no variable coupling of the transmitter to the coils I was only able to get about 2.5 RF amps flowing in the primary tank. (About 75 % of the scale on the transmitter meter)

After fixing the transmitter, I ended up having to bypass the meter because so much current was flowing in the primary tank it was pegging the RF ammeter! First, a couple pictures.
Here's the variometer, L107, the variable mutual inductance:

coupling is varied by rotating the inner coil with respect to the outer coil.

Here's a reading on the RF ammeter, nearing full scale.


I didn't want to damage the meter, so I decided to bypass it with a piece of wire. I kept the wire as short and thick as possible to minimize its inductance, but it only reduced the reading on the meter by about half!
Here's some pictures of the meter being bypassed (yellow wire is the bypass wire):




Here's the meter bypassed, and still near full scale!


The only reason I mention all of this is that the reflected impedance from the plate tank circuit of the transmitter to the primary tank circuit of the coils clearly had a huge impact on the performance of the primary tank. This got me thinking- this should also hold true between the primary tank circuit and the secondary. The reflected impedance from the primary coils and its tank circuit probably limit the performance of the secondary to some extent if they are tightly coupled. There ended up being an optimum coupling of L107, but it borderlined on the smallest amount of coupling possible. I'll explain further as I get into the testing.
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:08 PM
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Testing: Round 2
For this round of tests I took no hard data, only pictures and observations. So there's no graphs I can display this time. I have lots of observations, some cool pictures, and somewhat of a transmitter tuning procedure now.

To help tune the primary tank I used a trick Eric showed me: take a #47 incandescent bulb, solder a loop of wire to its two terminals, and put it around 1 turn of the primary coil. This was very effective in tuning the variable capacitor to achieve max current flowing in the primary tank. It was much more sensitive than the RF ammeter in the transmitter. The variable capacitor would be adjusted until it gave the brightest light coming out of the bulb. Here's a pic of the setup, a bulb was put around each primary:




Here's the way tuning was done this time: (which yielded the most power yet achieved)
1. Start at max coupling of the variometer - to get current into the primary tank.2
2. Adjust the external capacitance until the #47 bulb lights as bright as it will get. This will have the effect of maximizing the rf amperes flowing in the primary tank circuit, as well as increasing the plate current.
3. Turn down the coupling - this has the effect of turning up the plate current because now the plate circuit is de-tuned.
4. Re-dip the plate.
5. Again adjust the external capacitance to get max brightness of the bulb and repeat the iteration of previous steps. As the tuning progresses, the amount of adjustment of capacitance to reach maximum brightness on the bulb becomes tighter and tighter (Q is going up). To the point where even just touching the knob of the variable capacitor with my finger changed the capacity enough to have an effect on the brightness of the bulb.

A couple of observations at this point- after the transmitter and primary tank were tuned to their peak performance I noticed the coax used to make the connections between the two primary coils(RG8/U) was heating up excessively even after only a few minutes of operation. I think this is some of the biggest coax you can get so Iím probably going to end up making a stripline for the primary connections to reduce losses. Also as the tuning of the primary tank reached its maximum Q, I noticed the air variable capacitor start to flash over every now and then. The plate voltage on the tubes was around 650 VDC at this point, the coupling between the transmitter and primary tank was very minimal, and the air variable capacitor was rated at 2000 volts so the Q of the primary tank must have been pretty high.

Following the above adjustment procedures slowly zeroes in on the best tune of maximum current flowing in the primary tank. I was able to peg the RF ammeter using the above steps. I wanted to see what kind of effects I could see in a fluorescent lamp with max power attainable however. So I increased the power output of the TCS transmitter even more by turning up the plate voltage. The plate voltage of the TCS is supposed to be ~450 volts. The tubes used are 1625 tubes, which are a military version of 807 tubes. They can handle a plate voltage of up to around 700 volts. So I increased the plate voltage up to 700 volts and the screen voltage up to around 350. The 807's have a max plate current of around 125 mA apiece, or 250 for two in parallel. At this level I began to see a blue glow around the tubes. Here's a couple pictures:



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Anybody have any idea of what that blue corona is? It sure looked cool! It isn't any interaction with the "getter" of the tube as that is at the bottom of the tube:
Contrast the royal blue glow of the output tubes with the 866 rectifier tubes from the power supply:
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Old 03-13-2014, 06:09 PM
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I was able to increase the plate voltage no problem, but now the plate current would increase as well. So to keep the plate current within spec, I had to lower the coupling on the transmitter even more to keep the tubes from getting too hot. This was doubly beneficial because I increased the power being fed into the primary tank, and reduced the coupling at the same time which reduced the reflected impedance and raised the Q of the primary tank. This was when I had to bypass the RF ammeter. At this level I couldn't bring the Simpson AC voltmeter anywhere near the coils without being pegged to its limit, so I didn't even attempt to take any field strength readings.

There was something interesting happening at this point, the two primaries didn't have the same amount of current flowing through them. One #47 bulb was lit significantly brighter than the other. Its kind of hard to see in the pictures, but this is the best I was able to capture on film:


Also interesting to note is that the primary that had a dimmer bulb (signifying less current) had a secondary with a higher peak voltage than the other secondary. I was able to ascertain this by drawing an arc off the secondary with the fluorescent lamp.

This secondary created a longer arc than the other secondary. What this tells me is that the primary on this side was coupling more of its field energy into its associated secondary than the other side. I will have to test this more in the future. I'm curious if switching the coil connections from one primary onto the other will also move the effect, or if it is specific only to this primary/secondary.

Also I used a VR tube to probe the voltage level across the primary and secondary. Notice in the following pictures as I move the VR tube closer to the end of the secondary the VR tube gets brighter.



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What I did next was start playing around with some fluorescent tubes, trying to see the interference patterns. I captured some pretty cool pictures: (It was hard to take pictures because I was holding the tube in one hand and the camera in the other)
Iím going to start with the least impressive images and move towards the more impressive ones. (Also note in these pictures I'm wearing gloves. I discovered you can get an RF burn if you are touching one of the metal pins of the fluorescent tubes while holding the tube in the field of the coils)







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These were the two hardest images to come by. This is using a 4 ft long fluorescent tube. These things light up much easier than the smaller tube, so it was harder to get completely dark spots. It was extremely difficult to find two interference patterns, let alone photograph them at the same time. These are the two most impressive pictures in my opinion, even if the interference patterns weren't as pronounced as some of the others.





I did some hard thinking after these tests and something immediately came to mind. If I stuck just one end of the fluorescent lamp near the coils, the entire tube would light up. That is, if one end of the tube was receiving enough energy to ionize the gas inside, the plasma would propagate down the entire tube. Here's a couple pics demonstrating this with a 4 foot fluorescent tube, to really show the plasma propagates down the tube:



So all it took was part of the fluorescent tube to be receiving field energy and it would be spread through the ionized molecules, and light up the whole tube even if the other end of the tube wasn't receiving any field energy. So the plasma inside the tube tends to spread, regardless of whether or not a field is present. Now this is what seems interesting to me, and please correct me if I am mistaken because I'm not very knowledgeable about plasma but:

This tells me one of two things is happening in the "dark spots"
1. The interference pattern is actively sucking energy away from the tube in this area to prevent a plasma from forming.
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2. The interference pattern somehow prevents energy from the "lit" plasma being transferred to the unlit regions of the tube.
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:55 PM
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Got it! I'm not going for a pig nose but for a variometer between my driver and my primary! That way I can make the coupling low Very impressive transmitter and I learn a lot from the pictures. Thanks!

About the blue radiation I think that is the so called bremsstrahlung. Normally they say the electrons are slowed down and than they emit blue light.
Bremsstrahlung
But I think Eric says there are no electrons just aether particles because the fieldlines are breaking.

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These were the two hardest images to come by. This is using a 4 ft long fluorescent tube. These things light up much easier than the smaller tube, so it was harder to get completely dark spots. It was extremely difficult to find two interference patterns, let alone photograph them at the same time. These are the two most impressive pictures in my opinion, even if the interference patterns weren't as pronounced as some of the others.





I did some hard thinking after these tests and something immediately came to mind. If I stuck just one end of the fluorescent lamp near the coils, the entire tube would light up. That is, if one end of the tube was receiving enough energy to ionize the gas inside, the plasma would propagate down the entire tube. Here's a couple pics demonstrating this with a 4 foot fluorescent tube, to really show the plasma propagates down the tube:



So all it took was part of the fluorescent tube to be receiving field energy and it would be spread through the ionized molecules, and light up the whole tube even if the other end of the tube wasn't receiving any field energy. So the plasma inside the tube tends to spread, regardless of whether or not a field is present. Now this is what seems interesting to me, and please correct me if I am mistaken because I'm not very knowledgeable about plasma but:

This tells me one of two things is happening in the "dark spots"
1. The interference pattern is actively sucking energy away from the tube in this area to prevent a plasma from forming.
or
2. The interference pattern somehow prevents energy from the "lit" plasma being transferred to the unlit regions of the tube.
Any comments or criticism are welcome!
Hello jpolakow

Your work is great, I have never seen these replications. I often wondered over the past 40 years what has become of Eric's wireless machines.

The way I understand it is that there is one transmitter and as many receivers as you can build so the more receivers one has the more power output/per input.

Please correct me if this is wrong. I have never heard of anyone building such an awesome setup as yours.

Many wireless experiments can be found all around the world in many high voltage array.

This is all I know about the entire overall picture and it is not much.

I know that the mass of primary and secondary are to be equal but I don't know what that gets you for doing it that way.

Thanks for the excellent replication.

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Glad to see your efforts take shape with the Q. Moving the heat to the center is good indication that heat is the location max radiating. A copper pipe hardline might work. An additional Parallel line are sometimes used for drawing off excess during phase correction or phase loop in transmission lines.

In looking for details on instrumentation development I was able to find a little. In this book what Aston and others found various dark space in discharge tubes.

Scientist by Astonís time must have concluded AC transverse wave was sufficient.There are clues that Tesla waves were not given much concideration and this bias became more persistent and textbook companies leave out. picking up the pieces from late 1890's so that methods used will better include Tesla waves.

On page 343 summary entitled Astonís dark space. In trying different gases some showed small thin dark space.
Conduction of Electricity Through Gases - Google Books
I was incounraged to find on page 349 figure 134 illustrates a tube that indicates longitudinal magnetic wave gives an idea what to look for and what this tube looked like.
The tube here is a sensitive instrument inclined to be qualitative for dark space.

The complete array of 4 dark spaces shown.
Electric glow discharge - (The Plasma Universe Wikipedia-like Encyclopedia)
The glow characteristics bunch different stages.
http://lrrpublic.cli.det.nsw.edu.au/.../pressure4.jpg
In some smaller dark zones are rounded and in the demo there was large dark space and we could see the tail.
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Here is Eric Dollard's interview on The Supernatural Power of Music:
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Dirty relay contacts, yep that can do it. Fault finding, seems to be a dying art these days, well done locating the fault.

Somewhere Iíve seen some instructions on how to build your own Variable Mutual Inductance device, theyíre not too hard to make, I might have to try building one and apply it to my circuit. Although so far my Pi network seems to work okay for impedance matching.

Yeah, I think a reasonably light coupling with a nice sharp Q will be best for impedance match / balance between the primary tank crt and secondary. If you start using an extra coil, the coupling between the primary and secondary might be better with it slightly increased?

That is a neat little trick with the single turn light bulb around the primary tank. Iíll certainly take up on that little tip, simply tune for max brightness. Awesome.

Not sure why your coax would heat up, something's up there. Strip conductor might be the way to go. Arcing variable air capacitor? Iíve had my 1500V rated variable cap arc over once or twice, (not good) usually this was because of a poor impedance match to the system on the pi network, or running the primary tank on its own with no load or coupling etc. This has concerned me slightly, as if she arcs over with just two parallel 807ís some higher voltage variable caps may be needed down the track with a 1KW transmitter. So that leaves you with expensive vacuum variable caps, or to perhaps use the regular air variable caps, but submerge them in mineral oil or transformer oil or something similar?

Iíve not noticed my 807 tubes having a blue corona, but Iíll run a bulb at full power and take another look. - Nice looking glow on the VR tube, something Iíll try as a voltage indicator too, a good idea.

As for the dark spots, itís all very interesting. An interference pattern of sorts, but what is happening in that space? That is the subject under study! What if you had a spherical vacuum space, like two Perspex halves bolted together, pull a vacuum, or partial vacuum, (inert gases could be injected into it also). Place that in between and see what plasma shapes form. That would be expensive to build though. Try out some other plasma mapping Ďdevicesí other than fluorescent tubes - If you could make a plasma column where the dark spot lands on a grid or internal conductor of sorts, maybe measurements could be done? You might have to take up glass blowing as well!

My own progress slowed recently, (sighting domestic reasons) with efforts now picking up some momentum again. Iím building up my second primary coil.

Excellent work JP.
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Okay, so... WHAT?

Eric is talking about all this mystical bull crap. Does this even have any experimental backing at all? He's spouting all this mumbo jumbo about the aether and stuff, but can he actually give any sort of mechanism for what he is talking about?

This is just pseudoscience. Actually, scratch that, this is mysticism and esotericism.
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Great Interview

I really enjoyed this interview, Eric spoke with enthusiasm and authority, knowledge like Erics is hard one and long traveled given by the trials of fire and personal attacks by those who live on the wrong side of science, history and humanity, wisdom is never found by a closed mind.

It does take a special type of engineer to understand the science of music and the technology of harmonics and Fourier synthesis. As a designer of unique musical instruments, I concur with what Eric talks about. There is no mystical or esoteric mumbling at all, Eric tries to give you a clear insiders understanding of the history of the base mathematics of scale creation and chordal understanding without supplying all the frequency charts and intervals. The building of acoustic chordal forms and scale forms are a longitudinal activity in the space and inside hollows and solid/liquid/gas materials, this is the bases of acoustic engineering. What Eric talks about is the ratios between each sound frequency, that makes up chords and scales, they are based on whole number Pythagorean fractional ratios such as 1,9/8,61/64,4/3,3/2,27/16,243/128,2 which is the ratios for the common diatonic scale(not equal temperament). He also talks about synesthesia, which is common to a lot of artists and musicians and unique people like Eric Dollard, its helps the use to correlate complex ideas. The language of music is not limited to what we hear, Eric mentions the Music at higher and lower frequencies beyond our hearing, and as a engineer he recognizes the need to convert these to the audio spectrum so he can find organic similarities from different octaves. He states unambiguously that the extreme upper octaves is where the ether interacts longitudinally like sound(fine -like cosmic gas particles), and at the other end of the spectrum the low frequencies as in gross matter and planetary, solar wave lengths etc.

He also mentions that sound can influence the moods of people, I would suggest this is why you have the words like harmony and disharmony, chord and dis-chord they explain the interactions in a simple fashion, it is what all musicians know and use when writing songs and musical pieces. The modern musician has not been historically or technically exposed to the reasoning behind our current use of musical intervals, which are cloaked behind a corporate veil of misinformation. The 12 tone scales with A=220 hz is a corporate model that is not true to natural tonal harmony(216 hz = 432/2) or the vibrations that nature utilize, this is his mention of archetypes, Eric is giving you an out from this type of mind control. If you want to know what he is talking about when he mentions Bach, please spend spend a bit of time analyzing the organ work and the engineering of those types of organs in Bachs time, they are nothing like our modern truncated systems of linear scale/key relations we currently use. The acoustic engineers of Bachs time were craftsmen who had perfect pitch and could tell the difference between 256 Hz and 260 Hz, and would compensate the organ pipes to keep those in tune according to the problem of the Pythagorean comma and to each unique scale, this is why you have so many pipes and special knobs on those early 15 century type of organs. He also talks about the acoustic vibrations on Chaldini plates and water frozen to those sound forms, they are known as a common understanding to acoustic engineers, Eric does interprets this correctly by explaining as an archetype which is simply the interval relationships in a chord. He correlates his knowledge correctly when he speaks about electrical vibrations in the earth, where you can have harmony and disharmony between different natural vibrations already present in the earth.

Just to be clear the presenter tries to bring in esoteric meanings and as usual with Eric he does not fall into that trap and explains he is an electrical Engineer and he relates all of this to that type of understanding. The geometric aspects he mentions are the symbolic methods of understanding these complex ideas, nothing mystical here just common sense, simplifying much complexity to basic geometry, no relativity Einstein brain crack. He talks about a common experiences that many sensitive people understand when in an natural environment and when there are thunderstorms nearby, electrostatic acoustic waves are always present when high voltages are pumped between the earth and the sky, this is what Eric talks about. The EM vibrations that are unhealthy or healthy are some what common knowledge to science and the work of Rife is well documented and based on real science, it has been ignored because this type of technology will eliminate the use of 90% of the big Pharma pills. The lack of shoes brings you in true contact to the living earth, Eric speaks with experience about what has been known for thousands of years by all the ancient cultures, being connected to the true environment. Sound vibrations related to living organisms are a well understood science, nothing mystical about the density and wavelengths of stems, cell structures and density of plant material and its water content. Whole organic foods are a simple and basic type of diet that does not include toxic processes or non organic chemicals, as Eric states to operate on the primary level, in all things. The reference of the demonic beings is a reference to the Psychopathic leaders who have no other agenda than absolute control, division of peoples unity and the destruction of freedom for nothing more than maintaining a wealth structure that has only gains for the few. He talks about crystals in an concise and engineering level, great stuff Eric. When Eric calls this type of knowledge occult is what the scientific community has relegated the essential understanding to an occult science, when in reality the opposite is true, the science of wormholes, relativity, string theory, dark matter etc are pure occult language. Where Eric explains the problem of the understanding of basic induction is where modern physics brings into the basic knowledge a lot of mystical mathematical language which is not what really happens but only a relationship of quantities, this can be explained in a better symbolic language which is what Eric has brought to the table. A enjoyable and a well understood talk by Eric, thanks regards Arto.
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I really enjoyed this interview, Eric spoke with enthusiasm and authority, knowledge like Erics is hard one and long traveled given by the trials of fire and personal attacks by those who live on the wrong side of science, history and humanity, wisdom is never found by a closed mind.

It does take a special type of engineer to understand the science of music and the technology of harmonics and Fourier synthesis. As a designer of unique musical instruments, I concur with what Eric talks about. There is no mystical or esoteric mumbling at all, Eric tries to give you a clear insiders understanding of the history of the base mathematics of scale creation and chordal understanding without supplying all the frequency charts and intervals. The building of acoustic chordal forms and scale forms are a longitudinal activity in the space and inside hollows and solid/liquid/gas materials, this is the bases of acoustic engineering. What Eric talks about is the ratios between each sound frequency, that makes up chords and scales, they are based on whole number Pythagorean fractional ratios such as 1,9/8,61/64,4/3,3/2,27/16,243/128,2 which is the ratios for the common diatonic scale(not equal temperament). He also talks about synesthesia, which is common to a lot of artists and musicians and unique people like Eric Dollard, its helps the use to correlate complex ideas. The language of music is not limited to what we hear, Eric mentions the Music at higher and lower frequencies beyond our hearing, and as a engineer he recognizes the need to convert these to the audio spectrum so he can find organic similarities from different octaves. He states unambiguously that the extreme upper octaves is where the ether interacts longitudinally like sound(fine -like cosmic gas particles), and at the other end of the spectrum the low frequencies as in gross matter and planetary, solar wave lengths etc.

He also mentions that sound can influence the moods of people, I would suggest this is why you have the words like harmony and disharmony, chord and dis-chord they explain the interactions in a simple fashion, it is what all musicians know and use when writing songs and musical pieces. The modern musician has not been historically or technically exposed to the reasoning behind our current use of musical intervals, which are cloaked behind a corporate veil of misinformation. The 12 tone scales with A=220 hz is a corporate model that is not true to natural tonal harmony(216 hz = 432/2) or the vibrations that nature utilize, this is his mention of archetypes, Eric is giving you an out from this type of mind control. If you want to know what he is talking about when he mentions Bach, please spend spend a bit of time analyzing the organ work and the engineering of those types of organs in Bachs time, they are nothing like our modern truncated systems of linear scale/key relations we currently use. The acoustic engineers of Bachs time were craftsmen who had perfect pitch and could tell the difference between 256 Hz and 260 Hz, and would compensate the organ pipes to keep those in tune according to the problem of the Pythagorean comma and to each unique scale, this is why you have so many pipes and special knobs on those early 15 century type of organs. He also talks about the acoustic vibrations on Chaldini plates and water frozen to those sound forms, they are known as a common understanding to acoustic engineers, Eric does interprets this correctly by explaining as an archetype which is simply the interval relationships in a chord. He correlates his knowledge correctly when he speaks about electrical vibrations in the earth, where you can have harmony and disharmony between different natural vibrations already present in the earth.

Just to be clear the presenter tries to bring in esoteric meanings and as usual with Eric he does not fall into that trap and explains he is an electrical Engineer and he relates all of this to that type of understanding. The geometric aspects he mentions are the symbolic methods of understanding these complex ideas, nothing mystical here just common sense, simplifying much complexity to basic geometry, no relativity Einstein brain crack. He talks about a common experiences that many sensitive people understand when in an natural environment and when there are thunderstorms nearby, electrostatic acoustic waves are always present when high voltages are pumped between the earth and the sky, this is what Eric talks about. The EM vibrations that are unhealthy or healthy are some what common knowledge to science and the work of Rife is well documented and based on real science, it has been ignored because this type of technology will eliminate the use of 90% of the big Pharma pills. The lack of shoes brings you in true contact to the living earth, Eric speaks with experience about what has been known for thousands of years by all the ancient cultures, being connected to the true environment. Sound vibrations related to living organisms are a well understood science, nothing mystical about the density and wavelengths of stems, cell structures and density of plant material and its water content. Whole organic foods are a simple and basic type of diet that does not include toxic processes or non organic chemicals, as Eric states to operate on the primary level, in all things. The reference of the demonic beings is a reference to the Psychopathic leaders who have no other agenda than absolute control, division of peoples unity and the destruction of freedom for nothing more than maintaining a wealth structure that has only gains for the few. He talks about crystals in an concise and engineering level, great stuff Eric. When Eric calls this type of knowledge occult is what the scientific community has relegated the essential understanding to an occult science, when in reality the opposite is true, the science of wormholes, relativity, string theory, dark matter etc are pure occult language. Where Eric explains the problem of the understanding of basic induction is where modern physics brings into the basic knowledge a lot of mystical mathematical language which is not what really happens but only a relationship of quantities, this can be explained in a better symbolic language which is what Eric has brought to the table. A enjoyable and a well understood talk by Eric, thanks regards Arto.

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I stand in awe of the self exist one and his creation. Everyone and I mean everyone and their voice hold great significance.

Like I said before Eric is a smart guy about these things and I am not. You (ART) are able to relay the information in detail and precision.

I have never in my lifetime heard such a beautiful description of the small piece of creation. Simply put for us, who are trying to get a handle on what is being discussed.

I can relate and understand completely everything you said and must agree.

Don't ever give up trying to help guys like me who have never heard any of this even though all we generally spout is skepticism and frustration.

Myself included we the people are in programed blindness and confusion.

I can not say enough about your short essay concerning the infinite creation.

Most of what Eric is talking about goes right over our heads and we will need to repeat these messages.

Kindest regards, Mike
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Eric Dollard and EPD Labs has determined that David Wittekind, Rayam Azab Youssef aka Ray Savant aka Mohamed Youssef aka Techzombie, Tom Brown, and recently discovered individuals are definitely not independent operators. This is a definite organization.

Now that I have become successful, the reptile will rear its head in public so watch its face.

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Okay, so... WHAT?

Eric is talking about all this mystical bull crap. Does this even have any experimental backing at all? He's spouting all this mumbo jumbo about the aether and stuff, but can he actually give any sort of mechanism for what he is talking about?

This is just pseudoscience. Actually, scratch that, this is mysticism and esotericism.
I wish I could give you a +1 up-vote for your post!

Seems the only science around here is dogma and repression of orthodox information.

As an irony, even his "versor operator" conception is a ripoff! It looks like he either stole the idea from August Hund and his obscure "Bi-symbolische Gleichungen und deren Berwendung in der Elektrtechnik", in German only, or is late to the party.

All in all I have seen nothing from EPD or his associates that makes conventional science "obsolete" or even remotely wrong.

I feel like this forum is the apitimy of Medieval Europe, in the time before Charlemagne's reign and the succeeding High Medieval period, filled only with dogma and ignorance. The holy trinity of this fiefdom are P.L., A.M. and E.P.D., lords whom the peasantry serve by buying their inane intellectual products and who's misguided views they devoutly protect.
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I wish I could give you a +1 up-vote for your post!

Seems the only science around here is dogma and repression of orthodox information.

As an irony, even his "versor operator" conception is a ripoff! It looks like he either stole the idea from August Hund and his obscure "Bi-symbolische Gleichungen und deren Berwendung in der Elektrtechnik", in German only, or is late to the party.

All in all I have seen nothing from EPD or his associates that makes conventional science "obsolete" or even remotely wrong.

I feel like this forum is the apitimy of Medieval Europe, in the time before Charlemagne's reign and the succeeding High Medieval period, filled only with dogma and ignorance. The holy trinity of this fiefdom are P.L., A.M. and E.P.D., lords whom the peasantry serve by buying their inane intellectual products and who's misguided views they devoutly protect.
Hi upgradd

Let's hear your version of the depths of understanding of all existence.

I am all ears.

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Eric Dollard and EPD Labs has determined that David Wittekind, Rayam Azab Youssef aka Ray Savant aka Mohamed Youssef aka Techzombie, Tom Brown, and recently discovered individuals are definitely not independent operators. This is a definite organization.

Now that I have become successful, the reptile will rear its head in public so watch its face.

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As an irony, even his "versor operator" conception is a ripoff! It looks like he either stole the idea from August Hund and his obscure "Bi-symbolische Gleichungen und deren Berwendung in der Elektrtechnik", in German only, or is late to the party.
Although I am not familiar with the paper you mentioned, I'm sure when Eric is speaking of "versors" he isn't talking about the actual versors, which were used in the late 19th century and were an algebraic form of quanternions, which aren't used today in any respect (or used in electromagnetism, for that matter). Instead, Eric is once again confused by terms and definitions. He is actually talking about Phasors, a method which Steinmetz pioneered and a method still used often today. With all Eric's praise of Steinmetz, one would think he would realize what we call this math.

Eric has made the same mistake with his definition of dielectric. Since before Maxwell, we've defined generally a dielectric as "a material which is easily polarized by an electric field". Eric, however, only listens to Steinmetz and thinks the dielectric is what modern physics calls the electric field. In fact he is so bigoted about this belief he ignores Heaviside's, Maxwell's, Tesla's, and other's use of electric field, most of whom made much greater contributions to electromagnetism in theory than Steinmetz.

Furthermore, Eric continually mystifies himself when he goes no farther than what seems to be high school text books to learn what modern physics teaches. He purports that contemporaries believe that all electricity is in the electron and such. He fails to make any actual reading of real electromagnetism in today's scientific literature. If he did, he would understand that nearly everything he is talking about is covered under transmission line theory. He would understand that the electron explanation is mostly used to explain electronics to simple high school students.

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All in all I have seen nothing from EPD or his associates that makes conventional science "obsolete" or even remotely wrong.
This is a large part of Eric's problem, in that he continually makes bigoted statements against modern science as if his studies are undisputed fact, but he never goes on with any corroborative evidence of these supposed facts, instead he treats them as axioms. Thus any remnant of science is lost since he fails to make any measurement, give data, or use anything within physical reality to prove the assertions which are pivotal to the type of work he is doing.

Additionally, he never gives any derivation of any form of equations equivalent to Maxwell's. I wouldn't care if they were in vectors or quaternions, but he needs to show how his math is equivalent to the Maxwell's math, otherwise he is doing just as Tesla warned: wandering through equation after equation, and eventually building a structure which has nothing to do with reality.

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I feel like this forum is the apitimy of Medieval Europe, in the time before Charlemagne's reign and the succeeding High Medieval period, filled only with dogma and ignorance. The holy trinity of this fiefdom are P.L., A.M. and E.P.D., lords whom the peasantry serve by buying their inane intellectual products and who's misguided views they devoutly protect.
I wouldn't agree with such a romanticized idea of the forum. I think Eric, and the people working with him have good intentions. They are just swamped by mistakes that would leave Tesla rolling in his grave. xD

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Let's hear your version of the depths of understanding of all existence.

I am all ears.

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This is hardly a rebuttal to his post. You do nothing to add to the discussion.
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So you're saying that all the nonsense about music creating another dimension through the aether, and carrying your mind into counterspace is all simply acoustics?
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As an irony, even his "versor operator" conception is a ripoff! It looks like he either stole the idea from August Hund and his obscure "Bi-symbolische Gleichungen und deren Berwendung in der Elektrtechnik", in German only, or is late to the party.
Hi Mr Upgradd

Thank you for the Reference to August Hund's Paper, It looks very interesting. However you are not correct in what you say. Hund at the beginning of this Paper explains his Method was first suggested by Dr. C. P. Steinmetz. Eric Dollard has clearly said many times his ĄVersor OperatorsĒ are the Steinmetz Method.

I do not understand what is the problem with Eric Dollards latest interview. It is not secret, that he is a religious man. And you all wonder, that he attempts to apply engineering methods to his Belief?

If more people did this, we would have many fewer problems.
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Although I am not familiar with the paper you mentioned, I'm sure when Eric is speaking of "versors" he isn't talking about the actual versors, which were used in the late 19th century and were an algebraic form of quanternions, which aren't used today in any respect (or used in electromagnetism, for that matter). Instead, Eric is once again confused by terms and definitions. He is actually talking about Phasors, a method which Steinmetz pioneered and a method still used often today. With all Eric's praise of Steinmetz, one would think he would realize what we call this math.

Eric has made the same mistake with his definition of dielectric. Since before Maxwell, we've defined generally a dielectric as "a material which is easily polarized by an electric field". Eric, however, only listens to Steinmetz and thinks the dielectric is what modern physics calls the electric field. In fact he is so bigoted about this belief he ignores Heaviside's, Maxwell's, Tesla's, and other's use of electric field, most of whom made much greater contributions to electromagnetism in theory than Steinmetz.

Furthermore, Eric continually mystifies himself when he goes no farther than what seems to be high school text books to learn what modern physics teaches. He purports that contemporaries believe that all electricity is in the electron and such. He fails to make any actual reading of real electromagnetism in today's scientific literature. If he did, he would understand that nearly everything he is talking about is covered under transmission line theory. He would understand that the electron explanation is mostly used to explain electronics to simple high school students.

This is a large part of Eric's problem, in that he continually makes bigoted statements against modern science as if his studies are undisputed fact, but he never goes on with any corroborative evidence of these supposed facts, instead he treats them as axioms. Thus any remnant of science is lost since he fails to make any measurement, give data, or use anything within physical reality to prove the assertions which are pivotal to the type of work he is doing.

Additionally, he never gives any derivation of any form of equations equivalent to Maxwell's. I wouldn't care if they were in vectors or quaternions, but he needs to show how his math is equivalent to the Maxwell's math, otherwise he is doing just as Tesla warned: wandering through equation after equation, and eventually building a structure which has nothing to do with reality.

I wouldn't agree with such a romanticized idea of the forum. I think Eric, and the people working with him have good intentions. They are just swamped by mistakes that would leave Tesla rolling in his grave. xD

This is hardly a rebuttal to his post. You do nothing to add to the discussion.
Spot on.

I've been watching and contributing here for a couple yrs, mostly in the background quietly. I've seen many arguments and heated debates over nonsense, I've also seen intelligent questions and concerns ignored. I'm not going to get in the way of anyone wanting to pursue what they think may lead to some new discovery, some do learn from this, not all but a few. Advice and direction is offered and left for any who are interested.

Eric has said many times that he simply followed what was written down by Tesla in regards to duplicating the builds. As for the development of his other projects, they have many origins it seems. The CIG is fascinating but simple, I understand what he's after and this is ironic, I understand because a formal education in physics and mathematics has allowed me to put the puzzle together, though it wasn't easy esp since there is a massive lack of formal equations and explanations, these I had to figure and sort on my own. After building a small CIG rig and doing some testing it showed some interesting things, but scale and tuning is an issue. I also think that FTL may be easier to achieve with plasma.

I don't follow or understand why there is such extreme prejudice against E=MC^2, best I can figure is that the popsci explanation is taken at face value. The photon has no physical construct it's an energy field, there in lies the paradox. there isn't enough bandwidth to go into explanations on this or SR, GR, QCD or QM.

Practical applications of theories is based on the mathematics developed from observation and predictability. While one can build and design something that performs a specific function that does not preclude that it's unexplained by current the knowledge of physics, that requires doing all the aforementioned observation and experimentation with fully developed mathematics to support it. The we can take those sets and expand and build practical applications from them.

Lets take Tesla's Collorado notes, there he is doing experiments and recording the data and developing equations to design a practical application of his work. Another more modern reference is Farnsworth, read thru his patents, there is no eschewing of the established mathematics of physics, yet Farnsworth developed and expanded on his projects with the use quantum physics.

the beauty of science is that it's ever evolving based on observation and most importantly falsifiability. Recent data collected from improved equipment is laying out some new mysteries in the cosmos, the IBEX ribbon, the possibility of primordial b-mode gravitational waves. The more we look the less we know.

I suggest for those interested in picking up a copy or going to the local library and checking out Lee Smolins' "The trouble with Physics"

Eric has a gift for the hands on approach and is very intuitive, I wish him the best and hope that he's able to fully develop the mathematics of his theories. Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, just because my background is in physics doesn't make me the bad guy. I know Erics not aware of everything that goes on, but there was a very nice mathematics professor here a couple yrs ago that took it upon himself to sort and organize Erics writings into a 'book' I helped as time allowed, I don't think it was ever finished as we ran into discrepancies and un-defined operations. Not wanting to assume anything it was left, I know Eric wanted more info on counter-space algebra so possibly that is being used to finish the work.

I looked at that as well as quaternions, lots of missing pieces. In a simplified nutshell the BIG problem goes back to the photon and electron, they are not classical constructs, they are energy probability fields, any guess on how that is modeled mathematically? For now we break it down to keep it manageable, I'd love to see or develop a way to handle it without dealing with HUP.

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Wondering how many of us are aware of the work of Joseph Campbell, especially his Creative Mythology volume. Something to check out- and something Eric might want to read if he hasn't.


I'd also suggest Thunderbolts.org as a secondary resource with regards to Einstein bashing. Its allot of fun.
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