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Thanks for the info guys. Seeing as some of the figures are worthless in the Forgotten Books version, I decided to give this one a try on the basis that it has the wave shapes on the front cover so it at least implies they're aware of the content, so hopefully I won't regret judging the book by its cover.

Elementary Lectures on Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses, and Other Transients - Second Edition: Amazon.co.uk: Charles Proteus Steinmetz: Books

The Wexford College Press looks like a good choice for the other but pretty expensive so I'll order that in a few weeks. I'm not really a fan of pdfs when it comes to certain things, I don't know why but it's just nice to have the thing there instead of on a screen particularly when it comes to complicated information. Plus batteries go flat and technologies break down and tend to crash at critical moments. I'll be spending about two weeks in a tent/back of a car in south France soon so that's why I'm asking now, I'd like to take a few key books with me while I'm away from all other distractions.

Good idea Gyula but I think all those are scans of the same first edition, I'm not sure if they would be allowed to scan modern publications. Which is ironic because often the free scans can be better than the modern publications. Shame people are/were too paranoid to allow Google Books to continue, that would be perfect for knowing what to buy. Anti-piracy police strikes again, typical shoot themselves in the foot government procedure.
Or you can go with a free PDF from Google: Elementary Lectures on Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses, and Other ... - Charles Proteus Steinmetz - Google Books
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Gentlemen,

I hate to interrupt the excellent discussion but I had to add a few updates.

First of all the thread is definitely not dead, I have been working quietly for some time with the parameter variation via the magamp and have quite a bit of material to post as far as that is concerned. I will do that sometime in the coming weeks. Somewhat recently I have switched my focus to a replication of Eric's Cosmic Induction Generator, and have been spending all of my time working with Eric on that. Eric is building a large 5 KW version, and I am building a scaled down 1 KW version. After completion, information will be forthcoming on how to replicate.

I recently spent a week with Eric at his new lab facility and have some new material to add. First he gave me some new ideas to try with the Cosmic Ray Detector, to post on the forum, I will add that sometime in the next week. Also some of Eric's previously un-released writings have just resurfaced. Eric asked me to scan and upload this material. There are quite a few pages, so they will be in the following posts.

Eric is in pretty good spirits thanks to the help of everyone who donated to the indiegogo campaign. Things are moving forward and I'm sure some great things will come from Eric having a place to work. The lab isn't entirely setup yet, but we are getting there. All good things take time.

Also for anyone attending the upcoming conference in June, Eric said you can prepare for his presentation by studying the following things:
1) His "QuadraPolar Resonance" posts already published on this forum
2) "The Imaginary of Algebra" by Alexander MacFarlane
3) Complex Numbers and their relation to the expression of an electric wave. Some great material for this is the work of Steinmetz. From "Alternating Current Phenomena" read Chapter V "Symbolic Method".

The following posts give a great comparison of the TEM wave vs. the LMD wave. Please don't let the posts interrupt your discussion, I wanted to release the material.
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The book arrived today. It's a good copy, I think these are the worst images in it, and the image on page 76, otherwise all the print and diagrams and equations are fine. It could be worth checking out the online pdf scans of the originals and printing out the images if they are clearer, but I've seen a lot worse than this so I have no complaints.





ISBN-10: 1933998679
ISBN-13: 978-1933998671

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Compared mine to yours and mine looked pretty good in comparison LOL!





If so, please let me know which ones in particular you want and will upload.
My version goes back many years and the source would be lost by now.
Can see why you want good pictures as the detail is telling the story.

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archive.org has most all the steinmetz books and lectures available in various formatts, pdf, djvu etc.. I recommend djvu due to smaller size and better resolution.
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Gentlemen,

I hate to interrupt the excellent discussion but I had to add a few updates.

First of all the thread is definitely not dead, I have been working quietly for some time with the parameter variation via the magamp and have quite a bit of material to post as far as that is concerned. I will do that sometime in the coming weeks. Somewhat recently I have switched my focus to a replication of Eric's Cosmic Induction Generator, and have been spending all of my time working with Eric on that. Eric is building a large 5 KW version, and I am building a scaled down 1 KW version. After completion, information will be forthcoming on how to replicate.

I recently spent a week with Eric at his new lab facility and have some new material to add. First he gave me some new ideas to try with the Cosmic Ray Detector, to post on the forum, I will add that sometime in the next week. Also some of Eric's previously un-released writings have just resurfaced. Eric asked me to scan and upload this material. There are quite a few pages, so they will be in the following posts.

Eric is in pretty good spirits thanks to the help of everyone who donated to the indiegogo campaign. Things are moving forward and I'm sure some great things will come from Eric having a place to work. The lab isn't entirely setup yet, but we are getting there. All good things take time.

Also for anyone attending the upcoming conference in June, Eric said you can prepare for his presentation by studying the following things:
1) His "QuadraPolar Resonance" posts already published on this forum
2) "The Imaginary of Algebra" by Alexander MacFarlane
3) Complex Numbers and their relation to the expression of an electric wave. Some great material for this is the work of Steinmetz. From "Alternating Current Phenomena" read Chapter V "Symbolic Method".

The following posts give a great comparison of the TEM wave vs. the LMD wave. Please don't let the posts interrupt your discussion, I wanted to release the material.
Wow, it's wonderful to hear about the great work being done and that Eric is in good spirits! There are some fantastic people doing fantastic things, over there in EPD Labs. The creative Aether Force is in action for sure!

It's also a pleasure to read the long posts on the TEM / LMD wave networks. I've missed the wonderful transmissions / material that only the Professor can deliver. This paper will be properly digested given some more time.

Strangley - and also coincidental, that last night I had a dream that featured Eric in a lab, with all sorts of strange electrical networks going on in the roof-space. Apparently the networks were receiving signals from 'off world', from somewhere, or from some-time? However that was only a dream..! - I had another dream about Eric about a year or so ago, where he was driving a Locomotive at full speed, heading for the station (of established science, -pedants)? Eric orders us to all jump off the train (there was group of us) or hang on tight! as the train wasn't stopping! End of dream.. However the general feeling of the dream was that the train was on a one-way trip at full speed into the station, Silver-Streak style!



.. Back to reality, It seems you get a few strange looks & questions when your down the local park / oval with spools of wire, co-axial cable & measuring tape etc. So I've measured out identical lengths of wire for my CIG secondary coils. In my case exactly 24 meters each one and will be wound soon.

Also the recent video featuring David Wittekind was simply inspiring. Selling ones house to help finance the lab is an incredible & brave effort !! - I can't wait to show that video to my wife! (My wife often says "bloody Dollard", because I often force-read her many of the T-Rex transmissions or off building coils & avoiding those domestic chores if at all possible)!

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ISBN-10: 1933998679
ISBN-13: 978-1933998671

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Elementary-L...dp/1933998679/
the book is FREE and available online btw.

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@All: Thanks for the advice but I know there are things to be had for free on the internet, even things that are not supposed to be free There's a reason why I choose to pay for a physical copy, but your intentions are noted and appreciated Although I'll have that as well, thanks. A book isn't always convenient and neither is digital.

The point of asking was based on knowing the quality of the printing rather than sources of where to get it. It might be useful if we started a list of rare books with ISBN numbers that are associated with this whole subject as a reference so people know which copies are good and which are absolute trash if they want to buy some of the rare things. That is assuming there is anyone left out there who is sceptical of the digital realm especially at times of need or emergency
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Compared mine to yours and mine looked pretty good in comparison LOL!

If so, please let me know which ones in particular you want and will upload.
My version goes back many years and the source would be lost by now.
Can see why you want good pictures as the detail is telling the story.

Smokey
Thanks for the offer. I don't have time to look through everything now because I'll be off in the morning and I still have loads to do, although at the moment I think they look pretty much the same, one of the diagrams in my image looked worse than what it is because I was trying to get the worse diagram clearer in the picture and it ended up making the other look worse. The funny thing is at various angles the camera can make the diagrams look better than they are in the book hehe. I don't know how publishers can make such a mess of some reprints, they'd may as well just print a solid black page of toner in some cases, seriously. Anyway I'll have to leave all that for when I get back. See you all soon if I don't have internet access, which I'm assuming I won't
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TEM/LMD ladder network example

jpolakow,

Thanks for the post of resurfaced TEM/LMD/etc. ladder network appendices.

Any thoughts on the maximum current or saturating current rating to shoot for when selecting the 40mHy inductors for the network example on page (12)?
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Longitudinal Eelectro Saclar Waves

Fror thouse of you, who would like to have a view of what is the underlying problem with the standartly interpreted (restricted/incomplete) Maxellian view of the Classical Electrodinamics (ED) here are 2 (theoretical) papers from one author ( K. J. van Vlaenderen, one of them is co-authored), providing a concise view of the problem.

Here is a part of the summary of the second one that you may find appealing, summing up the practical implications:

"This neglect of Galileo Galileiís philosophy of physics by the physics community,
with respect to gauge conditions, had serious consequences for one of the most brilliant
minds in history, Nikola Tesla. There are urgent reasons to review Teslaís scientific legacy,
such as the need for new forms of energy and new energy technologies."

http://www.andre-waser.ch/Publicatio...rodynamics.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0305098.pdf

The papers require some knowledge about the EDM and are not easy to read, but given some time the idea starts to sink.

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Gentlemen,

I hate to interrupt the excellent discussion but I had to add a few updates.

First of all the thread is definitely not dead, I have been working quietly for some time with the parameter variation via the magamp and have quite a bit of material to post as far as that is concerned. I will do that sometime in the coming weeks. Somewhat recently I have switched my focus to a replication of Eric's Cosmic Induction Generator, and have been spending all of my time working with Eric on that. Eric is building a large 5 KW version, and I am building a scaled down 1 KW version. After completion, information will be forthcoming on how to replicate.

I recently spent a week with Eric at his new lab facility and have some new material to add. First he gave me some new ideas to try with the Cosmic Ray Detector, to post on the forum, I will add that sometime in the next week. Also some of Eric's previously un-released writings have just resurfaced. Eric asked me to scan and upload this material. There are quite a few pages, so they will be in the following posts.

Eric is in pretty good spirits thanks to the help of everyone who donated to the indiegogo campaign. Things are moving forward and I'm sure some great things will come from Eric having a place to work. The lab isn't entirely setup yet, but we are getting there. All good things take time.

Also for anyone attending the upcoming conference in June, Eric said you can prepare for his presentation by studying the following things:
1) His "QuadraPolar Resonance" posts already published on this forum
2) "The Imaginary of Algebra" by Alexander MacFarlane
3) Complex Numbers and their relation to the expression of an electric wave. Some great material for this is the work of Steinmetz. From "Alternating Current Phenomena" read Chapter V "Symbolic Method".

The following posts give a great comparison of the TEM wave vs. the LMD wave. Please don't let the posts interrupt your discussion, I wanted to release the material.
i am so jealous you are in direct contact with Eric! WOW that must be great.
All info you have is priceless, thanks for the update, Is Eric going to crack the Kapanadze as well ? i imagine it would be an improvement given that... its Eric !

looking forward to more updates and yes, we need to hurry to help Eric... and record it... Time is Wasting everybody
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Thanks for the post of resurfaced TEM/LMD/etc. ladder network appendices.

Any thoughts on the maximum current or saturating current rating to shoot for when selecting the 40mHy inductors for the network example on page (12)?
Which network are you referring to?
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I hope I've done this right. Tuks was gracious and kind to give me some space on his site/server to upload some papers and documents members here may find useful.

Directory contents of /doc/

I'll forewarn that they are heavy on the mathematics, but still understandable if one has grasps algebra and trig, helps to have some calculus in there too.

though they may seem somewhat disconnected from each other, they are all connected via the ES wave and the phenomenons associated to it.

I have loads more, mostly bigger files but will await Tuks response on space. I was teased with more information coming in from Eric, hopefully that shows up soon.
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I have one of these; well, similar. I'm using 9nf (0.009) caps and 3.74mh coils. My frequency for each cell is approximately 42Khz.

If I attach 2, then there is a harmonic frequency immediately. I want to say 2x. Because there is 1/2 capacitance immediately.

Using my magnetometer on my phone I see no significant field, but all my coils are air core not ferrite.

1 coil is as good as 4 or 6, or connecting at the 4th in a chain of 6. The frequencies change. I get for 14V input at 42Khz, about 150V (lights a 75V neon and 58 1.4V LEDs). And this voltage difference happens anywhere there is a break in the line. If you short the end, you can break it at the middle or the segment one after the signal input and get the voltage.

Also I'm driving now with a square wave, which is of course a sum of a lot of harmoics anway, so it should work well to drive the composite 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, 1/6 ( or -1/2, -1, 1, 1/2, 1/3 ) frequencies that are given by the capacitors.

I wanted to think it was going to be progressive so each pool would drive at say 4V input, and get 40V output, which is given to the next segment which gets 160V, which is given to the next segment.... but really the whole thing seems to reach a level and go up and down in phase. The voltage potential between either of the rails (in LMD mode) is about the same....

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I also was thinking maybe it's how I have it connected to drive....

This is basically how I have it connected now....


This is how I think maybe I should connect it?


The first, in idle state, is in a positive potential, and is filled by current from ground when the transistor opens. Otherwise, a ground potential is the idle condition of the coil, and is drained of ground when the transitor opens; however, the second way makes for a shifting ground, which will mess up the conductivity from gate to emitter?
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John,
Thanks for the upload of Eric's data but took me days to wake up like 'till now.
This is information relating to Eric's Borderlands video explaining the TFM and LMD and also JF Naudin's similar tests.

What is of significance here is the similarity of the Guillemin PFN I have just built using 73 mH inductors with .091 uF capacitors in a line of 5 and is similar to the TEM construction in a Type E.
I have 25 of these coils which only need to be reduced in wire length as they currently read 120mH and another project added to the books but when it gets done is another question.
Or I can leave as is and just revise the parameters as Eric has provided all of the related Math.

The JL Naudin data had some wierd readings which didn't make sense as I expected the gains to be somewhat linear but they were erratic and suggested some fine tuning was required but this may refer to a true Guillemin line which does not necessarily use the same values for inductors and capacitors.
This was my reasoning and needed to investigate and thus the interest.

Eric notes at the second last page that the "funds for this project has expired" but what would be a continuation of that experiment if it were to be built as I already have the bits at hand and is it worth doing?
What results would he be expecting and is there a possibility of more 'out' than 'in', in the LMD case (Type F - Page 201) and is there an advantage to all of this by using advancing sizes of inductance and capacitance as per the illustrated Guillemin line in Fig 6-22?
Did Guillemin know that he had something very different in the Type F LMD configuration?

Good to hear some more information on the Cosmic Ray Detector is upcoming.
Unfortunately have not been in the Lab of late and have not had the device running as it is not yet connected to a full time monitor and had some modifications to improve.
Thanks.

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I also was thinking maybe it's how I have it connected to drive....

This is basically how I have it connected now....


This is how I think maybe I should connect it?


The first, in idle state, is in a positive potential, and is filled by current from ground when the transistor opens. Otherwise, a ground potential is the idle condition of the coil, and is drained of ground when the transitor opens; however, the second way makes for a shifting ground, which will mess up the conductivity from gate to emitter?

Had to isolate the ground connection, and the connection to the transistor, otherwise I got bad signal. Even then I got poor signal through the array; I added a connection to positive opposite the ground and it works better. It oscillates at 357Khz now, but not with a lot of power. The pulse generator set at shorted pulse width, or the signal is worse....

wondering if I can improve behavior with the same diodes limiting the positive flow in the normal configuration.... it seems to work well without unlike the ground biased scheme... diodes don't really matter on the positive driven mode...

Wish I understood why it looks like there's a rise just before the pulse generator pulses... for like 10us before, the output has a rising signal at the tail of it's ringdown
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The signal down the line isn't very powerful, but I did notice these strange waves... they really seem to come from nowhere....

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I thought maybe that the oscillation of the emitter possibly biased it to the gate which caused it to conduct, but that turned out not to be the case, and the bias between emitter and gate is 0 during the time of oscillation.

They also appear differently on different scopes (different probes?)


I updated the schematic to include equivalent circuits for the probes that are attached in-circuit (or nearly in circuit). But I don't think they explain the oscillation. I was also moving probes, and wondered what would happen if I rebiased the ground to real ground, and ended up shorting ground to the emitter, thereby bypassing the bridge rectifiers and the coil, but still I get an oscillation in the coil.

... So I went looking for what sort of thing makes waves chirp... I remembered something from one of dollard's videos about the math that is per sec^2... which means the decay happens not just with time, but more and more as time goes. How do I compensate for that? What if I use a conical coil that's good for wide band signals?
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Overall, I get much lower output using this scheme. I moved the probes closer to the transistor to see what it was actually doing, and I guess it's floating ground on the coil; not sure what makes it switch the signal from one side to the other, but I do know I'm not getting a very good current drive through the transistor... I'm trying to figure out how to put an PNP there instead; but don't know how to invert the TL494 output...

I think that if I get a more proper current that the echos will go away.
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Update for Cosmic Ray Detector

Here is the latest schematic:


A capacitor has been added to charge the cathode to a negative high potential. This facilitates the tube being able to emit. The capacitor will be in one of two states, either charging (out of the circuit), or running (connected to the cathode):


The HV DC charging source must not be in the tube circuit. The smallest possible capacitance that still allows the tube to fire is desirable. A small capacitance won't have enough stored energy at low voltages however, so high voltage DC is required: 0-10 KV.

Different capacitor values at different voltages need to be tried, experimentation is required. Curves need to be drawn showing the minimum voltage at a given capacitance is required for the tube to trigger:
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I missed putting in some other pages in the resurfaced material written by Eric, on the LMD vs TEM waves. Here is the rest of the content:
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I apologize for the poor picture quality, they are scans of photocopies:























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