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Old 04-30-2013, 01:03 AM
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Hello Arto,
Have been buying vintage multivibrators ever since I purchased a beat up Oz 1930s Calstan Tube/Valve Checker but 12volt split-reeds are difficult to come by and still searching.
Oak/MSP V5948 12v and V6824 24v and V6832 32v are the numbers required for use or coil modification.
Have had this one on my project list for some time but procurement of some of the parts has been difficult.
I have provided many Posts on this subject with information over the last year or so.
Asked Eric what the inductance was of the input/output chokes but have not received an answer as yet but will include that in my next letter to him.
Do have two 6volt split reeds here which I am able to modify into one with the correct coil resistance for 12 volt.
However, the multivibrator is the weak point here and would like to have a backup.

Has anyone ever done the Imhotep relay thing which is a similar device of understanding and you are able to light a neon with only 12 volts input and is quick and easy to setup?
Showed this to people but they simply did not understand.

Have just bought a very heavy choke on Ebay at about 3kgs (7lb) which is about the same size as the unit in question but is only a single and measures 33 Henry as a guide - so looking at 10 Henry for each side.

Smoothing and Swinging Choke explained:
A smoothing choke has a 'normal' sized air-gap in its core, designed to maintain a fairly constant inductance up to the maximum direct current for which it is specified. It is intended for use in a capacitor-input filter, but it can also be used satisfactorily in a choke-input filter if there is no significant variation in current demand. A smoothing choke has to be built with a relatively large iron core, in order to obtain the required inductance despite its large air-gap (just like an OP transformer intended for SE operation).

A swinging choke is intended to be used as the first choke in a choke-input filter in cases where the current demand varies considerably, such as for feeding class AB or B amplifiers. It has a very small air-gap in the core, so that it will become more saturated and its inductance will fall as the current demand rises. This is done because the required inductance is less at higher current. Its inductance should be (but often isn't) specified as a range (e.g. 1Hy to 5Hy) over the current range for which it is intended to be used. A swinging choke, having a smaller air-gap, needs a relatively small iron core, so it is lighter and less bulky than a smoothing choke of similar inductance.

Nothing happening here unfortunately as with the cooler weather I have been forced into slave labour doing the jobs that we don't want to be doing but making someone else happy is probably all we can ever ask for.

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I might try to build this, If anybody knows what the frequency of this unit was it would be appreciated, otherwise I will figure it out regardless(L1,L2,L3). Thanks Arto
Hi Arto,
I hope you have a successful build with this, although as Prof Dollard said, "when the vibrator gets screwy" (I'm blushing ), was when it produced the anomalous results. So the rate of vibration would be anyone’s guess at that point, perhaps it's more like a spark gap running when the vibrator "gets screwy". Whatever that means exactly. Anyway you've probably considered that.

Also, thanks for the Mutual Inductance Chart you are working on. This could be a rather helpful tool for the coil builders. I'll take some measurements of my recent coils once they are completed.
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David, yes it should be 7 Henrys for the input coil(L1A), just missed that one, got too many things going at the same time. Thanks Regards Arto

Thanks Sputins, I searched in all my electronics stuff(100 books,PDFs etc) and the Net and in the end I had to develop my own equations and procedures. This is the first set of diagrams that will set all those messy bench-tops with wires clamped randomly at coils to clean up and do some real measurements and hopefully we will see some progress with all those experiments. Regards Arto
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Electrinium Battery

Solar Radiant Energy and the Electrinium Battery:

Solar radiant energy and the Electrinium battery - Nu Energy â„¢

This is also available at the Public Chest which now appears to be asking for a donation before you can download.
You can only go just so far and then you will meet staunch opposition and that's where you are at, at this time.

Have always had this wierd suspicion of magentism being all alone and never quite knowing what the electrical equivalent was and had taken the Electret as that missing medium and I wasn't that far off!

This short book tells all and is a must read for all those involved with the quest for Energy Synthesis and pretty much equals what Eric is telling us about our Sun and other related matter.
Two energy streams, one from the Cosmos in AC in a North - South alignment and that from our Sun as a DC coming in an East - West alignment - our Sun being a transformer and rectifier.
Read William Lyne's 'Pentagon Aliens' and you immediately see his UFO with a DC brush potential on top and an AC underneath creating levitation and defying gravity.

So there we have it, the electrical equivalent of magnetism is in the Electrinium Battery.

Have added this to my project list as I already have the materials for the Electret but the problem will now be in obtaining the new chemicals required like in Borozon (Boron Nitride) - I have Borax here but not quite the same.
This is what bugs me is that there are people making millions out of mining dirt in your own country but you can't even buy a sample of the mined material as they don't want you to have it!
Doesn't sound that complicated but you do need smelter tools and crucibles and is probably going to be worth it to achieve a permanent battery.
I am the one that cries out at the poor technology currently in use with batteries and this is an answer to the crime of continuing to use inferior technology in the world-wide battery racket.
I have my answer.

However, I still have a nagging suspicion that as Iron is to magnetism so too is Carbon to electricity and need to dwell on that association as I feel we are missing something here that needs attention and it is more than just the Electrinium Battery.
Nikola Tesla was the one that stated Carbon was the element that opened the door to the 'Warmth Ether' and this now relates to the AC energy of the Cosmos and not the rectified/transformed DC component from our Sun and we need to work on that premise.

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Hi all,

I have added some notes to my copy of Paul Stowe's theory about a/o the theoretical propagation speed of longitudinal waves:

Tuks Unsorted KieknWatTWordt Stuff : Stowe Foundation Unification Physics

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It is unclear how/where the author comes to these equations.
For some info, see for example http://www.mech.utah.edu/~brannon/pu...s_example.txt:
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   lam = First Lame parameter         = G(E-2G)/(3G-E) = K-2G/3
     G = Shear modulus (= 2nd Lame parameter, mu)   = E/2/(1+nu)
     E = Young's modulus              = 3K(1-2nu) = 2G(1+nu) = 9KG/(3K+G)
    nu = Poisson's ratio              = (3K-E)/6K = lam/2/(lam+G)
     K = bulk modulus                 = E/3/(1-2nu) = lam + 2G/3
     H = constrained modulus          = 2G+lam = 3K-2lam = K + 4G/3
    ko = SIGy/SIGx in uniaxial strain = nu/(1-nu)
    cl = longitudinal wave speed      = sqrt(H/rho)
    ct = shear (TRANSVERSE) wave speed  = sqrt(G/rho)
    co = bulk/plastic wave speed      = sqrt(K/rho)=SQRT(cl^2-4(ct^2)/3)
    cr = thin rod elastic wave speed  = sqrt(E/rho)
It is unclear why the author comes to a situation wherein H = 3G.

There is a relation, the Poisson ratio, which is the ratio of transverse contraction strain to longitudinal extension strain in the direction of stretching force. This has a theoretic value between -1 and 0.5:

What is Poisson's ratio?

In this paper, according to equation 3.19, the speed of P-waves is sqrt(3) times the speed of S-waves for a poisson ration of 0.25:

http://hep.ph.liv.ac.uk/~hutchcroft/...CN3Elastic.pdf

In this paper, some more on seismic waves, wherein it is a/o stated that it is usual to assume 0.25 for the Poisson ratio:

http://desastres.usac.edu.gt/documen...doc4265-3e.pdf
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Longitudinal Waves

In longitudinal waves, the direction of particle motion coincides with the direction of waves. The longitudinal wave is also called P-wave. The velocity of such waves is the following:

alpha = sqrt ( E(l-v) / delta(l+v)(1-2v) )

where, E = Young's modulus; v = Poisson's ratio; delta = density.

Transverse Waves

In transverse waves the direction of particles is orthogonal to the direction of advance and the velocity is:

beta = sqrt( E / (2 delta (l+v)) )

The transverse wave is called S-wave, a SV-wave when vertically polarized and an SH-wave when horizontally polarized.

It is usual to assume v = 0.25 and to take Vp/Vs as 1.73 (i.e. sqrt(3)).
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At this page, it is stated:

Tensile Properties

"For a perfectly isotropic elastic material, Poisson's Ratio is 0.25."

It is logical that the author starts with a perfectly isotropic material for his aether model, so things appear to add up.
In other words: if the aether can be considered to be a perfectly isotropic elastic material, then it should have a Poisson ratio of 0.25 and therefore the propagation speed of longitudinal waves should be sqrt(3) times the speed of light and not pi/2 times the speed of light. At least, *if* we can assume the propagation speed of the near-field transverse waves to be equal to to speed of light, which is a reasonable assumption given that antennas are also designed based on that assumption.....


Further, I finally found some time to work on the moon-bounce project again. I simulated a TM_01 mode "cantenna", whereby I chose the radius to be 10 cm, thus a diameter of 20 cm. For that diameter, we get a "group velocity" of sqrt(3) times the speed of light using the formulas from Terman's Radio Engineers Handbook at the design frequency of 1296 MHz:


When I take the length of the waveguide to be 3/4 of the group wavelength (about 27 cm, IIRC), I get a nice dip at the design frequency of 1.3 GHz of about -16 dB in the s-parameters.

The far-field simulation shows no radiation in the length direction of the waveguide, but the transformation by which the far fields are computed - after the near-field calculations are finished - does not account for the existence of longitudinal waves and is therefore unreliable.

I will try and make two of these waveguides and perform some measurements the coming weeks/months. I have a low-power 23cm ATV transmitter, an old analog satellite receiver and a "sat finder" power meter, so I can do some experiments when I get all that up and running.

Will post my progress on the moonbounce thread.

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Hi Lamare,

Great references to Paul Stowe, I really enjoy all the fundamental work he is trying to piece together. Looking at what has been written I can see by using standard physics to explain something that has been ignored and denided(LMD) by its own foundation will never give the results in the correct form. The current model of EM waves are based on the flawed Hertz theory.

S waves can travel only through solids, as fluids (liquids and gases) do not
support shear stresses.

In Teslas own words ""I had maintained for many years before that such a medium as supposed could not exist, and that we must rather accept the view that all space is filled with a gaseous substance. On repeating the Hertz experiments with much improved and very powerful apparatus, I satisfied myself that what he had observed was nothing else but effects of longitudinal waves in a gaseous medium, that is to say, waves, propagated by alternate compression and expansion. He had observed waves in the ether much of the nature of sound waves in the air."

Just so things do not go astray with all your hard work, regards Arto
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Hi Lamare,

S waves can travel only through solids, as fluids (liquids and gases) do not
support shear stresses.

In Teslas own words ""I had maintained for many years before that such a medium as supposed could not exist, and that we must rather accept the view that all space is filled with a gaseous substance. On repeating the Hertz experiments with much improved and very powerful apparatus, I satisfied myself that what he had observed was nothing else but effects of longitudinal waves in a gaseous medium, that is to say, waves, propagated by alternate compression and expansion. He had observed waves in the ether much of the nature of sound waves in the air."

Just so things do not go astray with all your hard work, regards Arto
S, or transverse, waves (S-wave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) can also propagate along the boundary of two media with a different density. That is what we call the near-field in Electrical Engineering.

The far field, starting at about 2 wavelengths away from your antenna, is what is known as Herzian waves, those waves with that very strange wave-particle duality character. These are some kind of rotating vortex structures.

There is really no other way to go but to accept the existence of the aether. With that concept, you cannot only simply understand the EM fields, but also understand what is wrong with Quantum Mechanics and why they will never ever succeed in building the much trompetted "Quantum Computer". I wrote some comments on that subject, wherein I also explain the difference between the near and far fields:

Tuks Unsorted KieknWatTWordt Stuff : Questioning Quantum Mechanics

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So, when we accept the existence of an aether with fluid-like properties and follow Stowe's thesis that gravity = Grad E (the gradient of the electric field), and the magnetic field as being the rotation of the aether, we have a proper theoretic and conceptual foundation to work with.

And when we consider the existence of a fluid-like medium wherein all particles and EM waves exist and propagate, we can also beatifully visualize what particles look like. A very important ingredient in this picture are the vortices/rotating thorusses that sustain the magnetic (rotational) component of an EM particle or photon, and thus we come to particles looking something like this:





It is often said that a picture tells more than a thousand words and these two pictures really tell it all.


All right. So, we have an area around any antenna structure that is called "the near field" and we have the "far field", which consist out of photons or particles with that very strange wave-particle duality character.

When a real aether medium with fluid-like properties exists, this can be simply explained by postulating that in the near field, the vicinity of the boundary of two materials with a different propagation constant (or density), we have the good old transverse waves, while in the far field the propagation mode of the near-field transverse wave transforms into these thorus-like structures known as "particles" or "photons".

What this comes down to regarding the EM fields is that in the far field, you have Tesla's longitudinal waves as well as these rotating vortex structures. The latter are being measured, counted and played with in large particle colliders such as in CERN, so they can create these kinds of structures at an ever increasing frequency band and thus create ever more particles "they can catalog and confuse themselves with", as Eric once said:

Tuks Unsorted KieknWatTWordt Stuff : Interview By Tom Brown

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Physicists have focused their attention strictly on magnetism. In a newspaper article I was looking through the other day I saw that the physicists now have an even bigger magnet so they can smash atoms ever harder and find more little tiny fragments to catalog and confuse themselves. What could be quirkier than a quark? (laughter)


When you accept the existence of the longitudinal wave as well, then you have no problem understanding the famous dual slit experiment, whereby an interference pattern appears when you fire "particles" trough a dual slit, which is then projected onto a screen:

Double-slit experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


You see, before the slits you have those rotating vortex kind of structures, while after the slits you get a longitudinal wave, which interferes. All very simple and elegant, without the need for ridiculous theories wherein particles exist at two places at the same time, not to speak of supposedly "entangled" particles which react onto one another even at great distance because "the wave function" collapses. Yeah, right.

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Can anyone advise what version/publication of "Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations" and "Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses, and Other Transients" by Steinmetz would be readable?

I've been trying to look on Amazon but it's pretty useless. "Look Inside" links to different publications so I still don't know what the print looks like, reviews on amazon.co.uk are from amazon.com (beta), and the same reviews turn up on different publications. So all in all it's of no use whatsoever and I have no idea which version will be a complete waste of money and which is actually readable. So can anyone recommend a publisher or ISBN number or whatever of a good version? I once bought a book by Tesla which turned out to be photocopied unreadable trash and I had to buy another publication, but these Steinmetz books are even more elusive, lack of reviews and info etc.

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Can anyone advise what version/publication of "Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations" and "Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses, and Other Transients" by Steinmetz would be readable?

I've been trying to look on Amazon but it's pretty useless. "Look Inside" links to different publications so I still don't know what the print looks like, reviews on amazon.co.uk are from amazon.com (beta), and the same reviews turn up on different publications. So all in all it's of no use whatsoever and I have no idea which version will be a complete waste of money and which is actually readable. So can anyone recommend a publisher or ISBN number or whatever of a good version? I once bought a book by Tesla which turned out to be photocopied unreadable trash and I had to buy another publication, but these Steinmetz books are even more elusive, lack of reviews and info etc.

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Wexford College Press produced a high quality reprint of "Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations". ISBN 1-929148-28-3.

Dover Phoenix Editions produced the "Lectures on Electrical Engineering, a three volume set, in 1971, and reprinted in 2003. Check out Vol II and III.

Although some of the oscillogram figures are worthless, the softcover scan-reprint of Elementary Lectures on Electric Discharges, Waves, and Impulses, and other Transients," from Forgotten Books (ISBN-13: 9781440088858 ISBN-10: 1440088853), is readable.

Dealoz.com is a decent tool for comparative pricing of books from vendors.
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Hi dR-Green,

On archive.org you can find both in either PDF DJVU or RTF format, freely downloadable, so you can see what is inside. Depending on the quality of the scanners the file size may vary and also watch for the publication date of the original book. I have listed both books by a search at archive.org:

Internet Archive Search: Theory and Calculation of Transient Electric Phenomena and Oscillations

Internet Archive Search: Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses, and Other Transients

Doing some search on Steinmetz you can find further hits.

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I take it you are looking for physical paper? (Not a fan of a tablet and .pdfs eh?)

Back to the topic... anything by putout by Dover is topnotch! I have some of their reprints of the MIT Rad. Lab Series and can testify to their excellency in print quality.

As for editions, if I'm not mistaken, the 3rd Ed. / "5th Impression" of the "T&C of Transient Electric Phenomena & Oscillations" is the last edition printed, but I might be wrong. On that note, the only Steinmetz book that edition really matters is the "T&C of Alternating Current Phenomena" as the 5th Ed. chopped off like 200+ pages of content. This being "good" or "bad" I'm not too sure of... Could be related to obsolete content (old motor/generator designs and such, as that was an era of great change).

Eric says Steinmetz had to rewrite content in latter editions... but I'm not too sure about that. I've scrutinized the p!ss out of all the edition I could get a hold of and didn't really find any monkey business afoot. However, I did notice gradual and slight changes in certain sections between editions. Nothing nefarious though... to each his own, I suppose.
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Lamare,

In reference to your post further up on this page, which seems to have little feedback from others sadly, you seem to regard EM waves as not consisting of particles or what?

I ask this since I've just watched a TED video on a camera that takes a trillion frames per second where in both the wave and particle nature of light is manifested simultaneously.

Ramesh Raskar: Imaging at a trillion frames per second | Video on TED.com

So I find it hard regard EM energy solely as a wave as there is much evidence of its particle like interactions with material objects. Getting to my point, if you are working on a theory that disproves another, it should be able to ALSO make sense of the particle interactions, NOT just solely the wave functions.

Further, I find nothing wrong with superimposition, as it exists with electric and magnetic fields, so its not just exclusive to photons. When you think about it, at incredibly small scales things don't have to work the same as on our macro scale. As with all things, everything start to get weirder the closer you examine and the smaller the objects size. Paradoxes are merely our inability to accept reality for what it is, not something that cannot exist.

Finally, EPD thinks that the B-field, E-field and Poyntine vector are all aligned in a longitudinal wave. TE Bearden thinks that there are two counter longitudinal waves for every transverse (time-forward and time-reverse), he gives no clear description of a longitudinal wave however (lol). You and Madhatter seem to think that some part of an ES wave (Electrostatic Wave) is longitudinal. Can you even have an ES "wave"? Is that the movement of charge or what? Who's right? Who's model is wrong?

While there are a lot of ideas/theories running around there's not enough experimenting in my opinion. I do realize you are working on a new antenna design, with the hopes of a longitudinal mode of operation, which is great. It would be nice if more people joined in and tried different approaches to experimentally prove the existence of longitudinal waves. The tough part of this task is having the proper equipment for time measurement, generation, transmission and reception of RF signals... which is very costly and hard to get.

I hope I didn't come off as dismissive, I think your work is at least giving others a place to start and could very well end up working. At any rate keep up the good work.
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Plasma Antennae

I'm not sure if this thread is dead or alive, probably somewhere in between, but I though to share an interesting find I came across today.

While looking up some reference material for another subject I came across "plasma antennas" which seems to be a really interesting and relevant subject in modern radio.

Since longitudinal ES "waves" are known to form in plasmas, why not try to use a plasma antenna in the longitudinal mode to transmit to a similar antenna? If this can be done, it would open up a new era in RF communications affecting everything from WiFi, Cell Phones & GPS to ham radio. Just a thought.

References:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_antenna

Plasma Antennas

Antenna having reconfigurable length - Markland Technologies, Inc.

Patent US1309031
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Thanks for the info guys. Seeing as some of the figures are worthless in the Forgotten Books version, I decided to give this one a try on the basis that it has the wave shapes on the front cover so it at least implies they're aware of the content, so hopefully I won't regret judging the book by its cover.

Elementary Lectures on Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses, and Other Transients - Second Edition: Amazon.co.uk: Charles Proteus Steinmetz: Books

The Wexford College Press looks like a good choice for the other but pretty expensive so I'll order that in a few weeks. I'm not really a fan of pdfs when it comes to certain things, I don't know why but it's just nice to have the thing there instead of on a screen particularly when it comes to complicated information. Plus batteries go flat and technologies break down and tend to crash at critical moments. I'll be spending about two weeks in a tent/back of a car in south France soon so that's why I'm asking now, I'd like to take a few key books with me while I'm away from all other distractions.

Good idea Gyula but I think all those are scans of the same first edition, I'm not sure if they would be allowed to scan modern publications. Which is ironic because often the free scans can be better than the modern publications. Shame people are/were too paranoid to allow Google Books to continue, that would be perfect for knowing what to buy. Anti-piracy police strikes again, typical shoot themselves in the foot government procedure.
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Lamare,

In reference to your post further up on this page, which seems to have little feedback from others sadly, you seem to regard EM waves as not consisting of particles or what?

I ask this since I've just watched a TED video on a camera that takes a trillion frames per second where in both the wave and particle nature of light is manifested simultaneously.

Ramesh Raskar: Imaging at a trillion frames per second | Video on TED.com

So I find it hard regard EM energy solely as a wave as there is much evidence of its particle like interactions with material objects. Getting to my point, if you are working on a theory that disproves another, it should be able to ALSO make sense of the particle interactions, NOT just solely the wave functions.

Further, I find nothing wrong with superimposition, as it exists with electric and magnetic fields, so its not just exclusive to photons. When you think about it, at incredibly small scales things don't have to work the same as on our macro scale. As with all things, everything start to get weirder the closer you examine and the smaller the objects size. Paradoxes are merely our inability to accept reality for what it is, not something that cannot exist.

Finally, EPD thinks that the B-field, E-field and Poyntine vector are all aligned in a longitudinal wave. TE Bearden thinks that there are two counter longitudinal waves for every transverse (time-forward and time-reverse), he gives no clear description of a longitudinal wave however (lol). You and Madhatter seem to think that some part of an ES wave (Electrostatic Wave) is longitudinal. Can you even have an ES "wave"? Is that the movement of charge or what? Who's right? Who's model is wrong?

While there are a lot of ideas/theories running around there's not enough experimenting in my opinion. I do realize you are working on a new antenna design, with the hopes of a longitudinal mode of operation, which is great. It would be nice if more people joined in and tried different approaches to experimentally prove the existence of longitudinal waves. The tough part of this task is having the proper equipment for time measurement, generation, transmission and reception of RF signals... which is very costly and hard to get.

I hope I didn't come off as dismissive, I think your work is at least giving others a place to start and could very well end up working. At any rate keep up the good work.
I'll start with the wave particle duality, it's confusing because of the simultaneity of it, bells theorem is a very good way to describe it as well. It's hard to get around that everything behaves as a wave irrespective of the scale, yet there is also the particle nature of it too. It may be easier to think of it as a 'probability' field and decoherence will produce the result we record.

Longitudinal waves & E-field ES waves. I'll touch on this and expand a bit more on the other post. superluminal waves in plasma are a known effect and do not violate relativity as the boundary transition drops to C and conjugate waves. that's the current accepted model.
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I'm not sure if this thread is dead or alive, probably somewhere in between, but I though to share an interesting find I came across today.

While looking up some reference material for another subject I came across "plasma antennas" which seems to be a really interesting and relevant subject in modern radio.

Since longitudinal ES "waves" are known to form in plasmas, why not try to use a plasma antenna in the longitudinal mode to transmit to a similar antenna? If this can be done, it would open up a new era in RF communications affecting everything from WiFi, Cell Phones & GPS to ham radio. Just a thought.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_antenna

Plasma Antennas

Antenna having reconfigurable length - Markland Technologies, Inc.

Patent US1309031
It's funny how things tend to circle back. I talked about this over a 1yr ago here.

look at Erics circuits and the one Smokey built, one could view it as a receiver for the ES wave. plasma waves are part and parcel to VT's (vacuum tubes) the boundary transistion layer will vary based on level of vacuum pressure. recall Erics work with the old Edison bulbof hard vacuum and filament, the transistion would occur near the filament and glass,the rest of the bulb would have been supporting superluminal ES waves. The effects visually seen would be akin to cherenkov radiation. the bulb was acting as a receptor for the excited and induced ES wave.

Take the setup and modify the receiver bulb to a hard vacuum tube, the glass envelope could have an interlaced network of gold filament, think inverted nixie tube. a ES signal could be sent and detected by the bulb in the same way as TV is with the cathode tube. the need for a magnetic field to reproduce the signal would not be needed as the reproduction occurs upon impact of the boundary. many many new things here.

I'll state this, one needs to tread careful in broadcasting in this arena as it's heavily tested and used by R&D within the military complex. it's also being explored for "signaling thru the noise" radio black out from the 'plasma' field always has a high 'pucker factor'. As long as the researchers hold fast to relativity the progress will be stunted. the drop to C at the boundary is the hard way to do it.

Erics coil work expanded from Tesla and Steinmetz points to 'softer' transitions. I still haven't figured how to merge the two, however I feel that the answers may lie in Farnsworths work, the fusor patent is a good start. the equations and schematics say alot more then the text. I've slowly been going thru it. from my perspective it looked like he was trying to exploit the particle and wave function of the electron field by controlling the flow into the core where it could open a path between the ES and EM transition.

It's hard to put into a post the sheer volume of background physics for high energy plasma. Even I don't have my studies complete, always something new to learn.
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It's funny how things tend to circle back. I talked about this over a 1yr ago here.
Madhatter,

Thanks for the informative replies!

I feel there is a dearth of interest from the DIY experimenter in the practical side of Eric/Tesla/Steinmetz's radio work. Everyone seems to be after "free energy" loop holes and spark gap jammers, the fun stuff.

I take it's as the saying goes "eyes to see and ears to hear", when it comes to complex subjects as this. I myself didn't quite realize the implications and practicality of this subject when you brought it up before. But now can see the usefulness and am quite interested in the overall subject.

If its not too much trouble, could you post some reference material I could read up on to differentiate between ES and EM waves? As I find the term ES "wave" to be esoteric. If Electrostatic phenomena involves the intensity and distribution of electric charge, would not the rearrangement of its intensity (potential) or distribution (spacial location/density) cause a magnetic field to manifest? The movement of charge creates a magnetic field, or at least the charge carriers movement does, so does an ES wave not have a magnetic component?

As much as I detest Wikipedia, they seem to have a somewhat useful chart showing the plasma wave classifications:



What type of ES wave, if listed in the above, is the one we are after?

Also, what is the "boundary condition" you reference. A difference in permittivity, conductivity, vacant vs. occupied space? It seems you're not ever referencing to ionized gases like in my prior post on plasma antenna. I take it there is another form of "plasma" in a vacuum tube related to thermionic emission, is this what your referring to?

On a random note, I found a pretty interesting video on youtube when looking up lock in amplifiers, on the effects of photon interaction with NE2 bulbs and their I-V characteristic curves which reminded me of a patent talking about optically modulating plasma for an antenna system. After watching the video, I played around with this a little bit, I was able to turn a neon bulb on and off (biased at 67V) with a blue LED (at 5mA), which made me even more interested in plasma antenna. (I should have recorded the experiment, as It was pretty cool. I had the bulb hooked up to my HP4140B picoammeter / voltage source and a separate supply for the LED. Acording to the pA meter, the bulb current increased by 2-3 orders of magnitude when the LED was directed at it.)

Finally, this question is open to anyone, what is the cause of the "ball plasma" when hit with a sharp dV/dt slew rate? Where would this fit into the Wikipedia chart given earlier? I'm curious to know.


(Its quite hard to take pictures of these plasma ball formations, as they are so intensely bright that they make setting the correct exposure difficult plus they tend to physically move around and vibrate)
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garrettm4, let put up a couple quick links for you, and later tonight I'll expand a bit more.

Supraluminous Waves in Astrophysical Plasmas
http://www.jpier.org/PIER/pier73/14.07041002.Kuo.pdf

There is also a NASA paper but I'm unable to locate a link for it at the moment.
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Lamare,

In reference to your post further up on this page, which seems to have little feedback from others sadly, you seem to regard EM waves as not consisting of particles or what?

I ask this since I've just watched a TED video on a camera that takes a trillion frames per second where in both the wave and particle nature of light is manifested simultaneously.

Ramesh Raskar: Imaging at a trillion frames per second | Video on TED.com

So I find it hard regard EM energy solely as a wave as there is much evidence of its particle like interactions with material objects. Getting to my point, if you are working on a theory that disproves another, it should be able to ALSO make sense of the particle interactions, NOT just solely the wave functions.
I see EM (note the M!) waves consisting out of two separate phenomena:

1) Transverse waves, propagating at the boundary of two media with different density, such as on the surface of an antenna or the Cola bottle in the video, which is very interesting. Thank you for posting!

2) "Particles", which are some kind of vortex structure.


In the pictures of the rotating thorus, you see *a* particular shape of such a "particle wave".

Characteristic of this mode is the contained vortex, the rotation(al component), which is what we refer to as the magnetic component or magnetic field.

It appears that there is a hidden longitudinal phenomena associated with these structures. I posted a thread some time ago about Cymatics, whereby interesting structures are created using sound trough a fluid:
Using Cymatics to visualise electric phenomena?

One of the most interesting pictures taken that way is this one:


When you accept the existence of longitudinal dielectric waves and consider these to be akin to sound waves trough the aether, then with this picture is is clear that longitudinal waves also play a role in the structure of molecules and atoms.

It appears to me that the fibrous structures that come forth in the Cymatic experiment would be rotating vortexes at the nano level within molecules and would be responisible for "covalent binding" of atoms into molecules.

So, we have a mixture of rotating vortex "particle" phenomena and longitudinal phenomena as well as transverse phenomena at the boundary of larger structures, such as an antenna or a polarizer in QM experiments.

The longitudinal and transverse phenomena are "real" waves which can superimpose, while the self-contained vortex-based "particle" and "molecule" structures cannot easily super-impose (*), because the vortexes have a direction of rotation (polarization), which makes them either "snap" on to one another, or repel one another.

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Further, I find nothing wrong with superimposition, as it exists with electric and magnetic fields, so its not just exclusive to photons. When you think about it, at incredibly small scales things don't have to work the same as on our macro scale. As with all things, everything start to get weirder the closer you examine and the smaller the objects size. Paradoxes are merely our inability to accept reality for what it is, not something that cannot exist.
(*) You bring forth an interesting point.

I was saying that particles cannot super-impose, but I think you have a point. Apparently, it is not that simple that one can say: '"particles" cannot superimpose under any condition, while waves can'.

It is pretty clear that (far field) EM waves do super-impose very nicely, as do light waves, while electrons would not *unless* when fired trough a (double) slit.

So, whether or not the "particle" mode superimposes depends on the particular geometric structure of the "particle" or photon at hand. Let's consider the difference between these two geometric structures I posted above. In one of them, you have two opposing vortexes, while in the other you have only one vortex. It is the particluar geometric structure of the vortices in the "particle", "photon" or molecule structure which determine whether or not superimposition is possible.

And beside that, you have differences in size. Free "electrons" can easily move trough the open space in between atoms in a metal, while in the case their internal vortex connects to vortices within the atom nucleus, like a lightning bolt, it changes in shape an can no longer move freely. Thus "superimposition" to some degree is possible with "electrons" and "atoms", in the circumstance that the "electron" is in a "free" state of motion.

In other words, under certain conditions, superimposition of "particles" or "photons" is possible, under other conditions it is not.

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Finally, EPD thinks that the B-field, E-field and Poyntine vector are all aligned in a longitudinal wave. TE Bearden thinks that there are two counter longitudinal waves for every transverse (time-forward and time-reverse), he gives no clear description of a longitudinal wave however (lol). You and Madhatter seem to think that some part of an ES wave (Electrostatic Wave) is longitudinal. Can you even have an ES "wave"? Is that the movement of charge or what? Who's right? Who's model is wrong?
I'm afraid I differ with Eric in opinion about this particular point.

I think a longitudinal wave does not have a magnetic component, because magnetics == rotation == some kind of vortex. Stowe defines magnetism mathematically as rot or curl of his superfluid:

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I have determined that in my opinion all of physical processes can be defined in terms of the aether populational momenta (p). Such that,

Force (F) -> Grad p
Charge (q) -> Div p
Magnetism (B) -> Curl p

Gravity for example is Grad E where E is the electric potential at x. This resolves to Le Sagian type process as outlined in the Pushing Gravity models. The electric potential E in turn is created by charge which is Div p...
Eric does not like Stowe's aether model, because of the dimensions he chose to model his super-fluid with, which lead to these dimensions (most notably mass [kg]) to stick their head out of the mudd all over the place.

Either way, IMHO Stowe is at least right about considering magnetism to be a rotational movement in/of the aether and thus defining it mathematically as the Curl or Rot of "something". What that "something" is, is what we call the aether. And no matter how you describe/model the aether itself, you need to describe magnetism mathematically this way in order to come to a correct model. Stowe chose to model the aether as a superfluid using Newtonian dimensions. However, that is not a fundamental choice and could be replaced by some other fluid model.

All right. Now for the possibility of propagating a wave, one needs two characteristics or dimensions in Eric's vocabulary:

1) Compressibility / "spring-ability" / capacitance;

2) momentum / intertia / inductance.

Now within our current electrical engineering concept, momentum or inertia is represented by the magnetic field, the rotational component of the EM field. So, I understand perfectly well why Eric says that the B-field, E-field and Poyntine vector are all aligned in a longitudinal wave. After all, one *needs* some kind of inertia in order to be able to propagate a wave and the only kind of inertia in the aether we have a name for is magnetism.

However, the aether itself does also have it's own intertia, which is modelled by Stowe as the "mass" of the aether "populational momenta" or "fictional particle like marbles" his aether is made up of.

It is this fundamental intertia property of the aether itself which is missing in our understanding, because we only work with one particular manifestation of this phenomenon: it's rotational or magnetic shape.

To put it simply: the aether is like a fluid and has inertia of itself. We don't account for this, but only "count" or "see" it when "it" rotates, when it moves in circles, sprirals or vortexes. That's when we "see" a magnetic field, but that is only a particular manifestation of a more fundamental phenomenon: the inertia of the aether itself, which behaves like a fluid / gas.

And that is also how Tesla considered physical reality, when he wrote:

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According to the relativists, space has a tendency to curvature owing to an inherent property or presence of celestial bodies. Granting a semblance of reality to this fantastic idea, it is still self-contradictory. Every action is accompanied by an equivalent reaction and the effects of the latter are directly opposite to those of the former. Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curvature of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies and, producing the opposite effects, straighten out the curves. Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space is entirely impossible. But even if it existed it would not explain the motions of the bodies as observed. Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena.
There is a real, physical aether which behaves like a fluid. When you describe it like a fluid, as Stowe does, you get the answers you are looking for by means of plain logic and common sense. It gives you all you need to counter relativity as well as Quantum Mechanics:

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While there are a lot of ideas/theories running around there's not enough experimenting in my opinion. [...] The tough part of this task is having the proper equipment for time measurement, generation, transmission and reception of RF signals... which is very costly and hard to get.
Well, there is another experiment which people could perform, which would at least prove propagation faster than the speed of light. The single experiment to disprove Einstein has already been performed in 1834:
Anyone feels like repeating Wheatstone's 1834 experiment to disprove Einstein?

Granted, one needs a dual channel scope, but these can be had at eBay for like $ 100 or so. The rest is just off the shelf components and a lot of wire...

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I hope I didn't come off as dismissive, I think your work is at least giving others a place to start and could very well end up working. At any rate keep up the good work.
I welcome any reasonable exchange of ideas. Very often, the answers one seeks are found by asking the right questions. And there is nothing wrong with asking questions, to the contrary. More people should ask questions and think about things instead of just sitting on the couch.


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BTW, got my hands on another project. Re-publishing Patrick Kelly's work:

Free-Energy Devices, zero-point energy, and water as fuel

A DVD with all of his work is under way to my home and I will also get (some of his) domains. Since there are also translations and people need to be able to continue making translations, I need to set up a proper publishing system. I am thinking of setting up Overview — Sphinx 1.1.3 documentation , which means I have to convert all of Kelly's work into a new format.


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I want to clarify the particle wave issue, the technical term is 'particle-like', big difference between particle and particle-like. If I may explain, the duality is not that there are actual particles akin to little spheres flowing in probability wave it's that the interference produced behaves like a particle that had been projected. So here's where the fascination comes about, the wave and it is a wave is sent along it's path, the boundary transistion produces either a wave pattern or a particle-like pattern depending on pre-observation of the effect.

Now if we take into account the high energy 'plasma' wave that supports pure longitudinal waves of the electrostatic field with no magnetic component it's a pure wave, it also moves faster then light due to a lack of the magnetic field, once it transists to an EM wave it slows to C and will also exhibit the particle-like nature.
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Lamare & Madhatter,

I appreciate you guys taking the time to respond! I think I am starting to grasp whats going on a little bit better now as well. Thanks.

Although I must say I still have quite a few unanswered questions, but I'll tough it out and see what I can do about figuring them out from personal study.

On that note, I went on a "research spree" and came across some really interesting reference material which might be of interest here (but will probably put most to sleep though, lol):



This section of the text is most enlightening;

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For the transverse waves we have k · E_1 = 0, or ∇ · E = 0, implying by Poisson’s equation that there are no perturbations of the charge density, only fluctuating currents, which, consequently have to be divergence free, ∇ · J = 0 as found from the charge continuity equation. The transverse waves reduce to simple electromagnetic waves, i.e. light, when the plasma density vanishes. For the longitudinal waves, we find that the plasma current and the Maxwell displacement current exactly cancel, and there are no magnetic perturbations associated with these waves. They are consequently termed electrostatic, since the electric fields can be derived from Poisson’s equation, just as in electrostatics.
It would appear that the density of charge throughout the plasma is a constant but confusingly (probably only to myself) there are actual currents that flow within the plasma (is this not an oxymoron), this is due to both conduction & displacement currents, I presume? So isn't this phenomena basically phase conjugation (180* phase difference) of a displacement and a conduction current that forms a longitudinal ES wave? That's at least what I got out of all my reading.

It would seem that this same phenomena happens in an "oscillating coil" where by the conduction current is that of the inductive region and the displacement current is that capacitive region of the coil. When in a current mode anti-resonance, the two currents cancel and we have an ES wave to propagate, or something along these lines... it would seem.

Taking this further you could have a longitudinal magnetic wave from a voltage mode anti-resonance condition in the oscillating coil, which pairs up with EM waves having three general modes TEM, TE & TM. Although I must say this is all conjecture on my part, so tread lightly.

Here's one more notable snippet from the text:

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In conclusion we might add that the equations formally contain one more solution, namely one where
E = 0, but the current density is constant, J ≠ 0. Since we have no dissipation in the system, a dc current
which is present initially will prevail for all later times in this model and give rise to a stationary rotation
free magnetic field.
P.S.

On a random note, I've been debating on what major I want to get at university, I've narrowed down to either Physics, Radio/Electrical Engineering or Chemistry. As all three are very interesting to me its hard to choose, but I think I like physics the most since it attempts to merge electrical engineering with chemistry. Although I'm unsure what jobs are available for someone with a physics major, which leaves me questioning its practicality in real life.

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Waves and Oscillations in Plasmas, Hans L. Pecseli (University of Oslo, Norway)
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I'd suggest going with physics and keeping your mind open, it'll be very very difficult to juggle the mainstream accepted relativity and the non. There are many possibilities with a physics degree, the infrastructure here in the US is seriously short engineers and that gap has a high probability to cause a massive failure in the near future unless there is a shift for students to move back to the math and sciences.

back on topic, you are grasping the jist of it very well. longitudinal ES waves are a known mathematical phenomenon, the trick is using that knowledge and exploiting it. If you read thru the physics behind the ion plasma field in a vacuum tube this effect is occurring. there is sooooo much more then just electron flow happening in a tube, hence why solidstate is not a progression of tube tech.

I need to dig it up but I have some research papers somewhere on intra cloud lighting discharges and ES and EM fields. as I recall there was a couple instances of recorded strikes before they occurred as they were able to record a massive ES spike preceding the EM wave. X-radiation as well. lightning is not fully understood, it also is very ES in nature.

here's a good paper..very mathematical though.
Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Physics
it's referenced by some classified nasa docs on this subject.
also worth a read,
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look into the papers of V.P. Oleinik. unfortunately most papers get scrubbed or are exceedingly difficult to acquire.
http://www.chronos.msu.ru/EREPORTS/oleinik_faster.pdf
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look into the papers of V.P. Oleinik. unfortunately most papers get scrubbed or are exceedingly difficult to acquire.
http://www.chronos.msu.ru/EREPORTS/oleinik_faster.pdf
I could make you an account at my server, so you can upload them to tuks.nl. If you like, I can make you your own subdomain, like madhatter.tuks.nl. Send me a PM with your email address if you are interested. You would need ssh software, like winscp or something similar.
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Madhatter,

Thanks for the advice and the references! I'm actually not all that bothered by Einstein and orthodox theory, just need to know their practical limits with certain situations.

Also, I found another book that might be of interest:



Finally get to see some usage of Maxwell's scalar potential and lo and behold its with longitudinal waves, maybe TE Bearden was on to something.



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In this expression, we can interpret the terms on the left as energy flux and the terms on the right as stored energy. In each case, some of the energy and flux is in the fields and some in the particles. In this case the kinetic flux (or the acoustic power flow) is given by [...] and represents the energy flux carried by the particles, and the Poynting flux represents the energy flux carried by the electromagnetic field. In longitudinal or electrostatic waves, the Poynting flux vanishes, so the energy is carried by the particle flux alone.
I'm curious if conservation of energy need exist with a longitudinal transmission, since the absence of a Poyntine flux would preclude that electrical energy need not be conserved as there is no flow of normal EM energy between the two points as opposed to normal radio. Say you have two or more receiving units, would each receiver impose a linear increase in demand at the transmitter like Eric and Tesla say? Or would it work like normal radio whereby whatever small amount of freespace transmitted energy that made its way to the antennae is used without any load to source feedback, but instead have less transmission loss / propagation time delay? Also, directivity of a longitudinal wave remains quite the mystery to me.

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BTW, got my hands on another project. Re-publishing Patrick Kelly's work:

Free-Energy Devices, zero-point energy, and water as fuel

A DVD with all of his work is under way to my home and I will also get (some of his) domains. Since there are also translations and people need to be able to continue making translations, I need to set up a proper publishing system. I am thinking of setting up Overview — Sphinx 1.1.3 documentation , which means I have to convert all of Kelly's work into a new format.


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Lamare have you seen this "water exclusion zone"
Pollack G.H. Water, Energy and Life - YouTube
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Walter Russell and the Aether:
'Aether Force' - OK, that's good and accepted just like 'Reality Science'.
Anybody that Posts on this Forum please don't think that your Post has been ignored as it may not be important to any individual today but may be of the most of significance tomorrow.
I notice this from time to time that Forums are like a sine wave and some moments are cold and the next hot!

Have been quiet here working around the house so little research being completed other than reading Walter Russell and looking at how to apply his theories and this has already been done by others at the bench in some aspects as indicated at the site below.
Reason why I have always been attached to the Aether and those that attempt to educate us on this non-physical theory and a most difficult task at that.

I have been busy uploading some of the Russell information that I have been collecting to here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/d...Lao%20Russell/

You will find a clearer picture of Russell in what I have presented as his work was not easily understood and you have had to work at it over the years before it begins to make sense.

More good information here where I see some of our current contributors also present:

Walter Russell - Understanding and applying his work

Frequency of the Elements:
I have been searching for the resonant frequency of the Elements over some considerable time until tonight when I struck a goldmine of revealing information.
There is nothing but confusion on the web on this subject and probably made so on purpose by those in power and working with unreal 'science'.

How do you find the resonant frequency of an Element?
I was given information back in August 2009 which I have just discovered how to verify and was asked NOT to make that information available to others but if verified, will make it open access as it is of a significant nature.
A simple experiment which I have already done in the past but was not able to connect to a particular Math phenomena and hope to be able to do that today.
Once again, 'back engineering'.

An example is Hydrogen which I am currently working with and the help of the designers of the Pyramid and Jerry Bales and a few notable others.
The resonant frequency of the King's Chamber is 438 hertz (a Hyperfine frequency) and that is directly associated with Hydrogen but we are working with two different parameters here - one is a resonant frequency of the Element with respect to energy and the other is a resonant frequency associated with Alchemy/Chemistry - difficult again to draw borders.

The Russell 1 and 2 documents covers the Hydrogen generation or whatever gas was your choosing and this was all done by spatial angles (occupying space) of the twin cones position and refers to Russell's theory and drawings like this:



Les Brown Pyramids:
Going back to the Energetic Forum on Page 5 you will see Post #9 with reference to Les Brown from 'MonsieurM' and this relates to Nature's radiating spheres.
This is a short video from Les Brown explaining the phenomena:

Les Brown and the basic Law Of Nature. Walter Russell Motion. - YouTube

So what we now have is another reality Math in the CUBE ROOT OF PI which is 1.3313 with respect to the distance of separation of the circles on the pond.
He goes on here to explain that the 5th circle's diameter is equal to the 1st circle's circumference and so it goes on where #6 circle = #2 etc.

Several years ago I set up Les Brown's Pyramid trangular structure in an attempt to transduce Zinc (battery terminals) into Lithium but I did not succeed and this experiment was left in position for about 3 years.
Les was the man that got zapped by a large Pyramid he had constructed where he was attaching a wire to the Pyramid apex from a ladder and found himself thrown violently across the room.
I put my failure down to not understanding the full theory and the parts are still available for review and this is where Walter Russell comes into the picture with the more expressive theory.

Spatial Angles of the Elements:
I have asked myself on many occasions as to why with the glass bulb of both Tesla and Dollard, one part of the glass will soften to a point where you can probe through the molten glass with a copper wire as I believe Eric Dollard did.
If we now look at Walter Russell and his above chart, we can see the spatial angular displacement of the Elements and whatever is the predominant metal within the glass bulb structure will be telling us exactly (probably 'roughly') where the molten glass will appear.
This is not an exact science but will be most indicative.
Where two elements are combined as in water, we need to work with both angles of Oxygen and Hydrogen and this will probably be the base experiment as to where they will be collectively and we can then apply this to a Joe Cell.

Development of the Resonant Frequencies and Spatial Angles of the Elements:
At the suggestion of 'Monsieur M' I will be now developing the relevant frequencies from the work of Walter Russell where we need to reverse engineer the entire Periodic Table but I dont see that as being too difficult at all and to my knowledge, nobody as yet has done this.
Once the table is designed, it will be a simple matter to set up the 2D table-top cones to verify the results.

Walter Russell has already given us the angle of Flourine as 44º and from the chart above you can see that Carbon is 90º, Oxygen is 60º, Nitrogen is 75º, Boron is 105º, Beryllium 120º, Lithium 135º and planar Helium at 0 and 180º.
This is what he was referring to when during the experiment he wanted to adjust for Oxygen and he believed he knew where it would be spatially.
These at this stage are only rough but just gives you the idea of what is required here.
The left side of the chart is Female/Blue/Negative and the right side is Male/Red/Positive.
This will be the same for Octaves #1 thru #6 but is then a little more complex as the Element numbers increase but not that difficult to draw lines.

According to Russell, the Inert gases should not be a part of the Periodic Table.

I hope all of this can be understood as we are breaking new ground here in an understanding of the true situation with respect to our Elements.
There is more on this with respect to the nature or make-up of the Aether and will follow up as I dig deeper.

Taking a break shortly from the maintenance work and will be back with some results.
Have just purchased 50 NOS cold cathode Vacuum Tubes, Ericsson RTZ 1021 for $A7.50 which are bipolar working and have an excellent pdf on their construction and use and looks to be a 'special' Tube.
What will I be doing with them? - at this popint - no idea!

I have another Math base coming up in the next Post which is also just as enlightening.

Smokey

PS: The word 'HYPERFINE' does not appear in any of my Dictionaries and Greek 'HYPER' means "prefix signifying over, beyond or excess" i.e., something out of the ordinary.
This is why I am intent on reading Jerry Bales work as he is notable in this particular area.
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