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Again thankyou for this URL to the above, most appreciated as I have been searching for some time for these documents.
I had to go out this morning after I downloaded all the Torrent detail and then noticed the Modem was in PDF mode, so left it running.
5 hours later I now see all 9 Volumes of Vril on my Computer.
There were no indicators to tell you what was happening but automatically set up a folder for the downloads.
All OK in the end.

Will now go and delete all the 'Accept' I had to do for the Torrent, about 6 or 7 before they would let me have access.
Add-ons that you would never use in a month of Sundays!

Have a program here called 'Advanced System Care' that has its own uninstaller which has a deep mode to rid registry of all the added data plus anything else that gets left behind in a standard uninstall.

Should mention that there are another 2 (two) Volumes to Vril in X and XI.

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Glad you got all the files, there shouldn't be any third party software with installation of utorrent, not that I recall and I just updated mine as well. I'm aware that the last 2 volumes are missing and am working on that, as I'd like it to be a complete set. As I said I didn't create this torrent, a good friend did, but we are doing more. I have several audio recordings of Gerry Vassilatos on a radio show with Laura Lee (Laura Lee Show) that are going to be put into a torrent soon, and the patent book that supplements Secrets of Cold War Tech I still have to have scanned and put into a PDF (that one I physically have). Once we get a huge collection, we'd like to make one master torrent with everything. I'll probably do the audio interview one tonight or tomorrow and will post it here right away. So don't delete your torrent program yet! More to come! Also should be getting a video called "Tesla's New York" by Gerry & another video called Aura Motors soon.

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http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=31470

Or, alternatively, if you don't want to register with concen.org, simply go here (best to click the link next to the magnet, not the big green box that says DOWNLOAD!):
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-Tesla (in folder)

-Cold War Tech

-Losing Science to Avarice

-Nazi UFO

-Tesla Ether

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Laura Lee website referencing Gerry Vassilatos: Conversation for Exploration - Gerry Vassilatos
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Have been doing some research into pulsing with emphasis on Radar and happened to stumble over this:

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Program for determining outcome using L & C coupled lines after Guillemin and appears to have the problem pretty well covered.
Looks to have many other difficult electrical calculating programs there as well.

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Have been doing some research into pulsing with emphasis on Radar and happened to stumble over this:

Ness Engineering Technical Data and Equations

Program for determining outcome using L & C coupled lines after Guillemin and appears to have the problem pretty well covered.
Looks to have many other difficult electrical calculating programs there as well.

Smokey
decent find, I'll say that the MIT LAB book is far more comprehensive esp as it covers the network as well. the downside is that it's heavy material for those who may not have a background in calculus.

Kivers' simplified books are a great resource for getting an intro into how the early tube systems and circuits function and the basis for the calculations.

Graduate up to Jacksons Classical Electrodynamics and you'll have a good basic grasp of the equations needed.

I'm no expert here, I still have to sit a learn as the older analog circuits and equations behave differently from the modern solid state, most of the latest solid state design is based in QED.
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Gerry Vassilatos - Audio Interviews with Laura Lee Torrent

http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=31470
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Yesterday I was "playing around" (as "experimenting" requires a structured plan devised to get answers) with some old vacuum tubes of the beam-power pentode type and inadvertently arranged the circuit to form a fairly sensitive electrometer. For those who don't know, an electrometer is a device that measures changes in electrostatic charge, either as a current or as a voltage.

In this situation the circuit was setup to detect changes in electrostatic potential of the environment around the tube. This was done by connecting a milliamp ammeter to the anode of the tube under question and a DC supply. The anode potential was ran at 33v, which puts the tube into the "space charge" operating point.

For those questioning my motives, I wanted to see the V/I characteristics of a few tubes at low operating potentials and ended up with an electrometer in the process. The magic happened while I was adjusting the screen potential, when set fairly high, 50-100% of anode potential, the tube characteristics change abruptly and the tube becomes very conductive while at the same time the grid becomes incredibly sensitive to any nearby electric fields.

Being winter time in the desert, where I currently live, even the slightest movement of a piece of clothing would cause a dip in the electrometer current as seen on the ammeter. For those who don't know very much about tubes, the grid needs to be at a lower potential than the cathode to be in an off state (non-conducting), when the potential of the grid raises, still negative with reference to the cathode, a current will start to pass from the cathode to the anode.

My arrangement had the grid "floating" which puts it somewhere near the cathode potential, thus the tube was near fully conducting. Which was about 25mA DC and half scale on the 50mA ammeter I used. After some tests and a few adjustments, I connected the grid to a makeshift electrostatic sensing plate positioned on a wooden chair a fair distance away from the tube (~4ft), using coaxial cable to guard the extension from acting as a giant sensor, which enabled the termination point of the line, a 5in diameter aluminum disk, to be the only effective detector.

This setup resulted in some incredibly revealing information about electrostatic potentials created by ordinary movements. Literally any part of my body that moved caused a reaction on the ammeter, rubbing or sliding anything remotely dielectric also caused deflections. A thought then occurred to me, why not try sending a signal. I then placed a 10-ohm solid carbon resistor in series with the ammeter and hooked up my oscilloscope to observe the time-domain reaction of the current (via the resistor) while I attempted to send some "information" to the detector.

This resulted in an obvious success, I merely waved my hands around rhythmically and observed a repetitive pulse train directly related to my hand movements. Slightly excited I then connected a small speaker in series to the ammeter, and decided to attempt a transmission of a pure tone (carrier wave) and then eventually send information by modulating the signal with a slightly more advanced transmitter and detector circuit.

As soon as I started working on this idea I stopped. This is because I have no idea as to what type of transmitting antenna would work, although I had a lot of construction ideas. After doing some more thinking on the matter, I ended up more confused than before I started.

In theory, when you want to send a "signal" of some kind, you take a quantity of energy, structure it in some way, impart information onto it, and then finally direct it to some form of load. While many people wouldn't word things the way I have, I think it makes more logical sense this way. In the case of normal radio, you take electrical energy, say from a battery, form an AC signal, impart information to that signal (modulation), and then dissipate that structured energy (the signal) into a radiation resistance (antenna) that directs the signal into space. Due to alignment, directivity, polarization, and the type of antenna used (TE, TM or TEM), you will receive either a small or fairly large part of the transmitted energy at the receiving end - neglecting attenuation, reflection and refraction of the signal in the space between the two points.

My confusion stems from the contemplation of a longitudinal wave, of which there is more than one type. According to Tesla, for telluric transmission, there is no radiation, and hence NO radiation resistance in this system (there is no "antenna"). How then can one transmit energy remotely without a way to move that energy? This has caused me to believe that telluric transmission is NOT a far-field transmission but instead a sudo near-field transmission. This resolves *some* of the mystery and bodes well with Tesla saying that there is no radiation. As a transformer moves energy from one winding to the other without any far-field radiation taking place, a near-field coupling of mutual fluxes is what transfers the energy. The bizarre feat of telluric transmission must be some form of mono-polar magnetic mutual coupling between receiver and transmitter utilizing the earth as an inductive medium through which they interact. (My hat goes off to anyone who can explain this otherwise.) Interestingly, according to many texts on longitudinal electric wave theory (see my last post), *far-field* longitudinal magnetic waves "are not possible".

Other forms of, potential, longitudinal "waves" are the purely dielectric, LD, and the magneto-dielectric, LMD. These particular modes leave me in a larger state of confusion than the telluric waves. However, if you can explain the telluric waves as utilizing a common inductive medium for a form of mutual near-field coupling, then the LD mode must be similar due to the law of duality and reciprocality. The LMD mode, however, is even further beyond my grasp to visualize.

With all that said, HOW do you direct a quantity of energy from one distant point to the next with longitudinal waves? What type of antenna do you build to send or receive with them. Can far-field transmission even be possible with a longitudinal electric wave? How do you encode information on to them? I honestly go brain dead thinking these points over, as I'm sure most everyone else.

To conclude the rambling, my unplanned experimental goal is to now attempt two forms of transmission with the makeshift electrometer. A transverse configuration utilizing a radiation resistance at both ends for transmitting and receiving. The second, utilizing a longitudinal "coupling" between transmitter and receiver, this being the confusing one. I believe the original experiment to be a common form of rC circuit, where the change in potential of the grid was done by free-charges developed by friction of various dielectrics (clothing, skin etc), the field energy was transmitted by a capacitive coupling to the grid and was dissipated at the vacuum tube. How fast the field energy moved through the intervening space, 4-5ft, from me to the plate is an unknown, but most likely not FTL. Leaving transit time aside, I think penetration (immunity to obstacles) and reception quality is a more useful metric to go by right now, as that will eliminate normal near-field coupling (if the distance is made far enough) and determine the useful characteristics of each type of transmission (if I can figure out how to send and receive an LD wave).

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Yesterday I was "playing around" (as "experimenting" requires a structured plan devised to get answers) with some old vacuum tubes of the beam-power pentode type and inadvertently arranged the circuit to form a fairly sensitive electrometer. For those who don't know, an electrometer is a device that measures changes in electrostatic charge, either as a current or as a voltage.

In this situation the circuit was setup to detect changes in electrostatic potential of the environment around the tube. This was done by connecting a milliamp ammeter to the anode of the tube under question and a DC supply. The anode potential was ran at 33v, which puts the tube into the "space charge" operating point.

For those questioning my motives, I wanted to see the V/I characteristics of a few tubes at low operating potentials and ended up with an electrometer in the process. The magic happened while I was adjusting the screen potential, when set fairly high, 50-100% of anode potential, the tube characteristics change abruptly and the tube becomes very conductive while at the same time the grid becomes incredibly sensitive to any nearby electric fields.

Being winter time in the desert, where I currently live, even the slightest movement of a piece of clothing would cause a dip in the electrometer current as seen on the ammeter. For those who don't know very much about tubes, the grid needs to be at a lower potential than the cathode to be in an off state (non-conducting), when the potential of the grid raises, still negative with reference to the cathode, a current will start to pass from the cathode to the anode.

My arrangement had the grid "floating" which puts it somewhere near the cathode potential, thus the tube was near fully conducting. Which was about 25mA DC and half scale on the 50mA ammeter I used. After some tests and a few adjustments, I connected the grid to a makeshift electrostatic sensing plate positioned on a wooden chair a fair distance away from the tube (~4ft), using coaxial cable to guard the extension from acting as a giant sensor, which enabled the termination point of the line, a 5in diameter aluminum disk, to be the only effective detector.

This setup resulted in some incredibly revealing information about electrostatic potentials created by ordinary movements. Literally any part of my body that moved caused a reaction on the ammeter, rubbing or sliding anything remotely dielectric also caused deflections. A thought then occurred to me, why not try sending a signal. I then placed a 10-ohm solid carbon resistor in series with the ammeter and hooked up my oscilloscope to observe the time-domain reaction of the current (via the resistor) while I attempted to send some "information" to the detector.

This resulted in an obvious success, I merely waved my hands around rhythmically and observed a repetitive pulse train directly related to my hand movements. Slightly excited I then connected a small speaker in series to the ammeter, and decided to attempt a transmission of a pure tone (carrier wave) and then eventually send information by modulating the signal with a slightly more advanced transmitter and detector circuit.
That highlights the electrostatic nature of the atmosphere and just how interconnected everything is, the next trick is getting a signal thru a Faraday cage...

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As soon as I started working on this idea I stopped. This is because I have no idea as to what type of transmitting antenna would work, although I had a lot of construction ideas. After doing some more thinking on the matter, I ended up more confused than before I started.

In theory, when you want to send a "signal" of some kind, you take a quantity of energy, structure it in some way, impart information onto it, and then finally direct it to some form of load. While many people wouldn't word things the way I have, I think it makes more logical sense this way. In the case of normal radio, you take electrical energy, say from a battery, form an AC signal, impart information to that signal (modulation), and then dissipate that structured energy (the signal) into a radiation resistance (antenna) that directs the signal into space. Due to alignment, directivity, polarization, and the type of antenna used (TE, TM or TEM), you will receive either a small or fairly large part of the transmitted energy at the receiving end - neglecting attenuation, reflection and refraction of the signal in the space between the two points.

My confusion stems from the contemplation of a longitudinal wave, of which there is more than one type. According to Tesla, for telluric transmission, there is no radiation, and hence NO radiation resistance in this system (there is no "antenna"). How then can one transmit energy remotely without a way to move that energy? This has caused me to believe that telluric transmission is NOT a far-field transmission but instead a sudo near-field transmission. This resolves *some* of the mystery and bodes well with Tesla saying that there is no radiation. As a transformer moves energy from one winding to the other without any far-field radiation taking place, a near-field coupling of mutual fluxes is what transfers the energy. The bizarre feat of telluric transmission must be some form of mono-polar magnetic mutual coupling between receiver and transmitter utilizing the earth as an inductive medium through which they interact. (My hat goes off to anyone who can explain this otherwise.) Interestingly, according to many texts on longitudinal electric wave theory (see my last post), *far-field* longitudinal magnetic waves "are not possible".

Other forms of, potential, longitudinal "waves" are the purely dielectric, LD, and the magneto-dielectric, LMD. These particular modes leave me in a larger state of confusion than the telluric waves. However, if you can explain the telluric waves as utilizing an inductive medium for a form of mutual near-field coupling, then the LD mode must be similar due to the law of duality and reciprocality. The LMD mode is even further beyond my grasp to visualize.

With all that said, HOW do you direct a quantity of energy from one distant point to the next with longitudinal waves? What type of antenna do you build to send or receive with them. Can far-field transmission even be possible with a longitudinal electric wave? How do you encode information on to them? I honestly go brain dead thinking these points over.

To conclude the rambling, my unplanned experimental goal is to now attempt two forms of transmission with the makeshift electrometer. A transverse configuration utilizing a radiation resistance at both ends for transmitting and receiving. The second, utilizing a longitudinal "coupling" between transmitter and receiver, this being the confusing one. I believe the original experiment to be a common form of rC circuit, where the change in potential of the grid was done by free-charges developed by friction of various dielectrics (clothing, skin etc), the field energy was transmitted by a capacitive coupling to the grid and was dissipated at the vacuum tube. How fast the field energy moved through the intervening space, 4-5ft, from me to the plate is an unknown, but most likely not FTL. Leaving transit time aside, I think penetration (immunity to obstacles) and reception quality is a more useful metric to go by right now, as that will eliminate normal near-field coupling (if the distance is made far enough) and determine the useful characteristics of each type of transmission (if I can figure out how to send and receive an LD wave).

Some thoughts,
Garrett M
I look at the Telluric mode akin to a transformer, the windings are the coils and the earth is the mu metal, very basic schematic but it's how I look at it. the earth itself is a giant dynamo.

The trick with the pure electrostatic longitudinal waves is the transition to a transverse EM wave, can't get around that. so look at it like having to open a portal on both sides, to transmit the signal needs to go from TEM to LM then on reception it goes from LM to TEM. Tesla & Erics coils provide for the TEM to LM mode, now since that signal was the generated in that manner it would require a reverse of that setup to receive. If there is a way to send a signal bypassing the coils then it would be with a tube akin to the klystron.

I like the simplicity of Erics arrangement in construction, I don't like the complex calcs and tuning of a cumbersome setup. pure plasma manipulation doesn't lend to easy construction but does simplify the circuit in way.

The antennae for LM isn't going to be anything like a traditional hertzian one. a plasma chamber would generate the signal, arc discharge generates a signal, lighting etc.. the problem with a static discharge is it's the TEM-LM-TEM all in one.

I can sort thru Erics calcs for the rotation of the B field in the coil setup, how to do the same for a plasma? I'm still researching that. My research has gotten to where a reflex kylstron type of arrangement of wave guides may be one way, the other is electrostatic optics and that gets interesting as the only pioneer in that was Farnsworth, his research is locked up.
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Yesterday I was "playing around" (as "experimenting" requires a structured plan devised to get answers) with some old vacuum tubes of the beam-power pentode type and inadvertently arranged the circuit to form a fairly sensitive electrometer. For those who don't know, an electrometer is a device that measures changes in electrostatic charge, either as a current or as a voltage.

In this situation the circuit was setup to detect changes in electrostatic potential of the environment around the tube. This was done by connecting a milliamp ammeter to the anode of the tube under question and a DC supply. The anode potential was ran at 33v, which puts the tube into the "space charge" operating point.

For those questioning my motives, I wanted to see the V/I characteristics of a few tubes at low operating potentials and ended up with an electrometer in the process. The magic happened while I was adjusting the screen potential, when set fairly high, 50-100% of anode potential, the tube characteristics change abruptly and the tube becomes very conductive while at the same time the grid becomes incredibly sensitive to any nearby electric fields.

Being winter time in the desert, where I currently live, even the slightest movement of a piece of clothing would cause a dip in the electrometer current as seen on the ammeter. For those who don't know very much about tubes, the grid needs to be at a lower potential than the cathode to be in an off state (non-conducting), when the potential of the grid raises, still negative with reference to the cathode, a current will start to pass from the cathode to the anode.

My arrangement had the grid "floating" which puts it somewhere near the cathode potential, thus the tube was near fully conducting. Which was about 25mA DC and half scale on the 50mA ammeter I used. After some tests and a few adjustments, I connected the grid to a makeshift electrostatic sensing plate positioned on a wooden chair a fair distance away from the tube (~4ft), using coaxial cable to guard the extension from acting as a giant sensor, which enabled the termination point of the line, a 5in diameter aluminum disk, to be the only effective detector.

This setup resulted in some incredibly revealing information about electrostatic potentials created by ordinary movements. Literally any part of my body that moved caused a reaction on the ammeter, rubbing or sliding anything remotely dielectric also caused deflections. A thought then occurred to me, why not try sending a signal. I then placed a 10-ohm solid carbon resistor in series with the ammeter and hooked up my oscilloscope to observe the time-domain reaction of the current (via the resistor) while I attempted to send some "information" to the detector.

This resulted in an obvious success, I merely waved my hands around rhythmically and observed a repetitive pulse train directly related to my hand movements. Slightly excited I then connected a small speaker in series to the ammeter, and decided to attempt a transmission of a pure tone (carrier wave) and then eventually send information by modulating the signal with a slightly more advanced transmitter and detector circuit.
That highlights the electrostatic nature of the atmosphere and just how interconnected everything is, the next trick is getting a signal thru a Faraday cage...

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As soon as I started working on this idea I stopped. This is because I have no idea as to what type of transmitting antenna would work, although I had a lot of construction ideas. After doing some more thinking on the matter, I ended up more confused than before I started.

In theory, when you want to send a "signal" of some kind, you take a quantity of energy, structure it in some way, impart information onto it, and then finally direct it to some form of load. While many people wouldn't word things the way I have, I think it makes more logical sense this way. In the case of normal radio, you take electrical energy, say from a battery, form an AC signal, impart information to that signal (modulation), and then dissipate that structured energy (the signal) into a radiation resistance (antenna) that directs the signal into space. Due to alignment, directivity, polarization, and the type of antenna used (TE, TM or TEM), you will receive either a small or fairly large part of the transmitted energy at the receiving end - neglecting attenuation, reflection and refraction of the signal in the space between the two points.

My confusion stems from the contemplation of a longitudinal wave, of which there is more than one type. According to Tesla, for telluric transmission, there is no radiation, and hence NO radiation resistance in this system (there is no "antenna"). How then can one transmit energy remotely without a way to move that energy? This has caused me to believe that telluric transmission is NOT a far-field transmission but instead a sudo near-field transmission. This resolves *some* of the mystery and bodes well with Tesla saying that there is no radiation. As a transformer moves energy from one winding to the other without any far-field radiation taking place, a near-field coupling of mutual fluxes is what transfers the energy. The bizarre feat of telluric transmission must be some form of mono-polar magnetic mutual coupling between receiver and transmitter utilizing the earth as an inductive medium through which they interact. (My hat goes off to anyone who can explain this otherwise.) Interestingly, according to many texts on longitudinal electric wave theory (see my last post), *far-field* longitudinal magnetic waves "are not possible".

Other forms of, potential, longitudinal "waves" are the purely dielectric, LD, and the magneto-dielectric, LMD. These particular modes leave me in a larger state of confusion than the telluric waves. However, if you can explain the telluric waves as utilizing an inductive medium for a form of mutual near-field coupling, then the LD mode must be similar due to the law of duality and reciprocality. The LMD mode is even further beyond my grasp to visualize.

With all that said, HOW do you direct a quantity of energy from one distant point to the next with longitudinal waves? What type of antenna do you build to send or receive with them. Can far-field transmission even be possible with a longitudinal electric wave? How do you encode information on to them? I honestly go brain dead thinking these points over.

To conclude the rambling, my unplanned experimental goal is to now attempt two forms of transmission with the makeshift electrometer. A transverse configuration utilizing a radiation resistance at both ends for transmitting and receiving. The second, utilizing a longitudinal "coupling" between transmitter and receiver, this being the confusing one. I believe the original experiment to be a common form of rC circuit, where the change in potential of the grid was done by free-charges developed by friction of various dielectrics (clothing, skin etc), the field energy was transmitted by a capacitive coupling to the grid and was dissipated at the vacuum tube. How fast the field energy moved through the intervening space, 4-5ft, from me to the plate is an unknown, but most likely not FTL. Leaving transit time aside, I think penetration (immunity to obstacles) and reception quality is a more useful metric to go by right now, as that will eliminate normal near-field coupling (if the distance is made far enough) and determine the useful characteristics of each type of transmission (if I can figure out how to send and receive an LD wave).

Some thoughts,
Garrett M
I look at the Telluric mode akin to a transformer, the windings are the coils and the earth is the mu metal, very basic schematic but it's how I look at it. the earth itself is a giant dynamo.

The trick with the pure electrostatic longitudinal waves is the transition to a transverse EM wave, can't get around that. so look at it like having to open a portal on both sides, to transmit the signal needs to go from TEM to LM then on reception it goes from LM to TEM. Tesla & Erics coils provide for the TEM to LM mode, now since that signal was the generated in that manner it would require a reverse of that setup to receive. If there is a way to send a signal bypassing the coils then it would be with a tube akin to the klystron.

I like the simplicity of Erics arrangement in construction, I don't like the complex calcs and tuning of a cumbersome setup. pure plasma manipulation doesn't lend to easy construction but does simplify the circuit in way.

The antennae for LM isn't going to be anything like a traditional hertzian one. a plasma chamber would generate the signal, arc discharge generates a signal, lighting etc.. the problem with a static discharge is it's the TEM-LM-TEM all in one.

I can sort thru Erics calcs for the rotation of the B field in the coil setup, how to do the same for a plasma? I'm still researching that. My research has gotten to where a reflex kylstron type of arrangement of wave guides may be one way, the other is electrostatic optics and that gets interesting as the only pioneer in that was Farnsworth, his research is locked up.
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That highlights the electrostatic nature of the atmosphere and just how interconnected everything is, the next trick is getting a signal thru a Faraday cage...
Exactly! Penetration though an object that would normally block/reflect a transverse wave is a definite step in the right direction, although a difficult one at that.

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The trick with the pure electrostatic longitudinal waves is the transition to a transverse EM wave, can't get around that. so look at it like having to open a portal on both sides, to transmit the signal needs to go from TEM to LM then on reception it goes from LM to TEM. Tesla & Erics coils provide for the TEM to LM mode, now since that signal was the generated in that manner it would require a reverse of that setup to receive. If there is a way to send a signal bypassing the coils then it would be with a tube akin to the klystron.

The antennae for LM isn't going to be anything like a traditional hertzian one. a plasma chamber would generate the signal, arc discharge generates a signal, lighting etc.. the problem with a static discharge is it's the TEM-LM-TEM all in one.
I'm in full agreement on the conversion of transverse to longitudinal on the sending end and the reversal of that, longitudinal back to transverse, on the receiving end. This seems to be the only practical way to go about the problem.

It seems to me, that the conversion mechanism and subsequent coupling between converters is the major design concern. Even if you convert T.E.M. to L.M. or L.D., it doesn't do any good if that energy has no where to go. Much like an unloaded transformer, neglecting iron/copper losses, the energy remains reactive until a load is seen on the coupled winding. Much the same for a longitudinal transmission. This is probably why Tesla stated there was "no radiation", as the energy remains reactive at the transmitter, up until a load is seen by a coupled receiver. Or so I see it.

Thanks for the reply,
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Hi John, although I have emailed you the torrent file, I was finally able to upload it to another site, I kept getting an error and gave up last night, the description was too long. Anyhow, here is the link for those who don't want to register with concen.org.

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Exactly! Penetration though an object that would normally block/reflect a transverse wave is a definite step in the right direction, although a difficult one at that.



I'm in full agreement on the conversion of transverse to longitudinal on the sending end and the reversal of that, longitudinal back to transverse, on the receiving end. This seems to be the only practical way to go about the problem.

It seems to me, that the conversion mechanism and subsequent coupling between converters is the major design concern. Even if you convert T.E.M. to L.M. or L.D., it doesn't do any good if that energy has no where to go. Much like an unloaded transformer, neglecting iron/copper losses, the energy remains reactive until a load is seen on the coupled winding. Much the same for a longitudinal transmission. This is probably why Tesla stated there was "no radiation", as the energy remains reactive at the transmitter, up until a load is seen by a coupled receiver. Or so I see it.

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you said penetration..

ok back on topic,
This is the complex part, I've been doing more research on the design of klystrons & gyrotrons, while the std use is TV transmission they are used in military and pulse power for accelerators. the use of a "rf chamber" to control the electron cloud is useful to the manipulation of the beam. Now the magnetic field is to keep the beam focused between chambers, however because of this roughly 35% is utilized in the final output stage, the rest is dissipated heat. that's the overview of the std operation.

keeping the LM wave from transitioning to TEM is impossible in a plasma or electron beam in any atmosphere as the electron interaction with the gas creates the TEM wave and plasma. I haven't been able to resolve the use of an electron beam to generate the LM wave.
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Garrett check the link: Travelling Wave Tube Amplifiers
simple overview of the TWT, taking the view of combining the 3 coil setup of Erics design and the tube would probable start here. lots more reading to cover the development of this tube tech.
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madhatter,

Thanks for the link. I've actually looked into klystrons and TWTs (AKA velocity modulation tube) as well as magnetrons. As I have had an avid interest in exotic tubes. The coupled-cavity TWT seems interesting, the helix coil is replaced with a string of RF-cavities (axially along the beam path) composing a helical waveguide. These are used for the really high power microwave amplifiers. I've seen the little TWTs, with the helix coils, sell on eBay for cheap ~$80. But getting the wave guides, and all miscellaneous parts adds up fast.

Looking back at what Mr. Dollard had written to Lamare, it would seem a T.M._01 circular wave guide (transmits in L.D.) or a resonant UHF coil (small Tesla coil?) are viable T.E.M to L.M.D./L.D. conversion mechanisms as well. A large concern I have for the longitudinal modes is directivity, for coupling purposes. What is the spacial pattern of the emitted longitudinal field (?), for telluric operation the earth acts as to link the two points but for a free-space transmission this becomes an interesting topic.

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The longitudinal antennae ideas seem stuck in the mud. Seems everything is quasi E.M. "Electrical Sound waves in the Aether", Tesla. Only two ways I see; a form of open ended circular waveguide. One mode, hard to excite, is longitudinal. Please post circular waveguide mode chart (Frederich Terman)!! Another way is a tiny U.H.F. resonant coil, NOT A HELICAL RESONATOR. AN OPEN COIL NOT ENCLOSED IN A COAXIAL CYLINDER.

For the circular waveguide the pipe is closed on one end, open at the other end. Open end may require mode stabilizer. The proper mode of excitation is extremely important! (Terman, Radio Engineers Handbook)

For the resonant coil, a disk larger than coil diameter at current end, a disk smaller than coil diameter at voltage end. Ratio of disk diameters derived from coil impedance. Excite coil with small loop. As for the frequency; For the waveguide must be greater than 1000 Mc, for the coil must be less than 1000 Mc. These would be my first efforts to create electrical soundwaves in the aether. The longitudinal waves of my work involves Telluric Waves (submarines) and windings (transformers). Free space longitudinal waveforms may not have any relation to my (MK) waves.
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At this time I am engaged in the study of details for the continuation of Inductance and Capacitance series of writings. The established dimensional relations are N.F.G., even in the writings of C.P. Steinmetz. Too many canceled dimensions thru unit values, and lots of missing versors in space. For example, in Inductance calculations the radius of a circle is a line, the circumference of a circle is a circle. Here we have two distinct co-ordinate systems, or vector expressions, a kind of space quadrature.

Thus
c = 2(pi)r Centimeters
is not vectorally complete, it is
c = 2(pi)kr Centimeters
where k is a versor operator. Hence it is that c and 2πr are not interchangeable. Here is an important complication in the dimensional relations for Inductance and Capacitance.

As for the factor pi over two in the Longitudinal Velocity, it represents an integration and is not an actual velocity, per-se. This pi over two also can result from improper derivation of the distributed constants for transmission structures. This is shown in the paper (I.R.E.) “Electrical Oscillations in Antennae and Induction Coils”, J. Miller, 1919.

The propagation of a Transverse Electro-Magnetic Wave is given by the dimensional relation
Centimeter per Second,
Or Velocity, v
This represents the ratio of space, centimeter, to time, second.

In a conjugate form the propagation constant of a Longitudinal Magneto-Dielectric Wave is given by the dimensional relation,
Per Centimeter, per Second,
Or per (Centimeter – Second)

Counter – Velocity, u.
This is the ratio of counterspace, per centimeter, to time, seconds.

In an alternate form of expression, the T.E.M. propagation constant is the square root of the product
Henry per Second, Mu
And,
Farad per Second, Epsilon.
And for the L.M.D. propagation constant, it is the square root of the product
Per (Henry – Centimeter)
And
Per (Farad – Centimeter)
The composite propagation constant hence is the superposition of the velocity, v, and the counter velocity, u. The two are not dimensionally additive so a versor and a dimensional transform of centimeter square is required.

The T.E.M. wave is always along the axis of the metallic geometry, tangent to the metallic boundary. Such is given by the “Co-axial Cable”. Conversely, the L.M.D. wave is always perpendicular to the axis of the metallic geometry, normal to the metallic boundary. Such is given by the “Transformer Winding”. The resulting complex propagation of v and u is a spiral with a tilt angle from the metallic axes of the coiled winding. Where T.E.M. waves drag into the metallic (electron flow) the L.M.D. wave bypasses the metallic (no electron flow) hence no Ohmic resistance. The factor pi over two is the composite propagation for only a unique set of parameters. See “The Oscillating Coil” part of the “Theory of Wireless Power” E.P. Dollard. Note here that errors found a way into the tables, but the equations are right. Now why could not the Corum’s figure this out? Why is it they make no reference to any work on this by Blume, Bewely, Dollard, and etc.? The Corums, Well?

One very important fact that escapes notice (Meyl, et al) is that Tesla’s transmission networks are Mono-Polar. The dipolar concepts so dear to all now swirl down the toilet bowl (burp). Forget Bearden, Forget Meyl, it is crap for the crapper! Tesla circumvents the concept of plus and minus, there is one pole only, plus. Here is a true “Single Phase” Alternating Current, one wire only. This is a philosophically disruptive concept for the God vs. Devil duality. God has no opposite pole, it is one, positive only. This is the secret to the Tesla transmission concept. Action vs. Reaction now is voided.

When considering a resonant coil in its fundamental mode of oscillation, as the Tesla “Extra Coil”, the potential e at the terminal end is 90º (pi/2 radians) ahead in time phase compared to the E.M.F. E at the lower end. This is given by the relation

e = (b/a)*jE

Where

e, the Electrostatic Potential in Volts

E, is the Electro-Motive Force in Volts

a, is the Power Factor

b, is the Induction Factor of the Oscillating Coil

It is hereby seen that no circulation of flux lines is possible, hence the coil becomes “Longitudinally Transmissive.” Potential e and E.M.F. E exist in separate time frames. This relationship cannot be produced by a two wire (T.E.M. quarter wave line because here the laws of circuitation rule. It must be a single wire so configured as to allow propagation normal to the axis of the metallic boundary, (L.M.D.).

Hereby enclosing the electrostatic terminal of a Tesla transmission system within a metallic sphere will fail to shield the radial dielectric lines of force, whereas a dipolar system within the metallic sphere cannot get out of this sphere except that leaking thru the transmission line entry opening. It is that simple, but no one gets it. Every one jumps back to Bearden, Corum, Meyl, and stays mystified, WHY?

Certain considerations present themselves when applying the notion of “Antenna Gain” with regard to T.E.M. and L.M.D. propagation. The directivity of T.E.M. waves is based on the spatial dimensional relation of area. High gain is a large aperture, centimeter square, (a big dish). It is given dimensionally as

Area equals

Width times k*Height

This is a cross product, k is the right angle operator, a versor of dimensionless form. Wave propagation is normal to the surface of this area of width cross height, on the axis of versor k. Heaviside calls this
Vwh = l
The transverse product of width and height is length. V is his vector product operator.

The situation is much different for the L.M.D. wave. Directivity here is co-linear, or axial. Dimensionally it is given as

Length times Length

Equals Length squared

Wave propagation is co-linear with this length squared. This axial “Antenna” must now be counter – spatial in form, that is, it must be subdivided. The apparent physical length here is now only an integrated resultant derived from the summation of counter spatial spans. A ruler with 16th inch spans has a physical length of one foot. Hereby it may be that a “Big Dish” is not the way to go for L.M.D. waves.

However, by another line of reasoning, since we have no established Truths as of yet, consider “Electric Sound Waves” in the Aether. After all that is what Tesla said. See Thornberg’s work on “Maxwellian electric sound waves in the Aether”. So it is required to make an electrical analog to sound. Helmholtz works to cover this but Heaviside points out the math is no good.

The P and S seismic wave analog looks good. What is needed is an alternative to Mu in Henry per centimeter and Epsilon in Farad per centimeter. In the L.M.D. theory it is not Mu nor Epsilon but per (Henry – cm) and per (Farad – cm). This is seen in the P & S wave papers sent to me by Lamare. Tesla praised Helmholtz but it may take another Oliver to make it work. Here a “Big Dish” may work.

Finally, I put out on the “Heretical Builder” forum an Alexanderson “Antenna” for the 160 meter ham band. It is a scalar (space) wave guide structure and has no wavelength, hence “space scalar”. This network is scaled upon the 18.6 kilo-cycle version made for the Navy at station KET, Bolinas, California. A scale of 100 to 1 was selected hence 18.6 kc becomes 1860 kc, a ham frequency. This network produces a Longitudinal Dielectric form of propagation, with no magnetic component. Pure “Dielectric Waves” ala J.J. Thomson. Space scalar transmission may be possible between identical units in phase sync. A great ham radio project, but you will not find it in QST
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I found that to "successfully" edit a post you have to click "Go Advanced" and then save there (not before), editing (and damn near anything on this forum) is a PITA. I would like to see some one update the forum to something more modern. Such as integrate a "karma system" ("thumbs" up/down rating with the ability to hide dumb posts etc), LaTeX math symbol support, and better integration with file servers for attachments/pictures. But what to do.

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I'm glad I'm not alone in the tube fascination. The more I've been researching the ability to generate a LM plasma signal the more I keep coming back to Farnsworths work and the illusive multipactor.

Erics right in that there may not be any connection to an electrostatically derived mode and his TEM based one for telluric transmission, in his the earth is the antennae and the counterpoise is the aether or in modern terms dark energy, as best as I can figure it. This is the key though, the LM wave is beyond our dimension, we are confined to 3 spacial coordinates and a persistence of emergent time, the electrostatic longitudinal wave is outside our 3 dimensions. I believe this is where we get tripped up, we can not envision an antennae or any type of physical apparatus in dimensions beyond ours. The only way we know of such things is the mathematics developed to handle the physical phenomenons we measure, the mathematical constructs point to odd things we don't understand. I.e. the singularity, we don't understand it, it's an infinite point/line/plane, it's beyond our 3D.

There are lots of things to cover and grasp, we know that Eric has managed to further Teslas work and develop a way to produce an LM wave bound to the telluric side. I think that once we have a better grasp of how that is done we can develop or evolve that to a pure electrostatic mode.

There is much reference work to sift thru, I found a great addition that I'll need to put on the 'ol Christmas list; A. S. Gilmour Jr., Consulting, St Cloud, FL 34771 - index

another interesting bit before I forget, A.C waveform on the grid. with each cycle the grid potential changes, this has a problem of when the voltage drops the electron energy slows, at low enough fq's the energy is cancelled out, higher voltage will drive the electron cloud far enough to impact the anode and not need a return to the grid or cathode where it would absorb energy, but there is still a percentage of loss. now what would happen if the grid was controlled by a DC pulsed signal? look closely at Farnsworths patents and Erics recent schematics.

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Hi John, although I have emailed you the torrent file, I was finally able to upload it to another site, I kept getting an error and gave up last night, the description was too long. Anyhow, here is the link for those who don't want to register with concen.org.

Lost Sciences & Vril Archive - G. Vassilatos publications (download torrent) - TPB

Thank you Lambda,

These are a very impressive collection of technical information, wonderful find. Much larger content than I thought.

I might also even be able to listen to the audio files today while at work.

I bet even those who think Vassilatos material is fantasy, (not me) download and read & listen to this material.

T-rex may even raise a smile now that it has surfaced?

Also thank you T-rex for the answer on how Lightening works.

XTAL XCVR RIG WID RTTY

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1000Hz Crystal radio..

OK, who has actually managed to get the 1000Hz scale crystal set to work? I'm having a dickens of a time getting anywhere on that scale, the 4Mhz build was vastly easier and tuned with about a week of fiddling around.

I got zip nada nothing on the 1000Hz AM band, strange considering there are many 50K~100k watt stations around.

scratching my head, I can only gather that the calcs are lacking for that Fq, that doesn't add though as Eric would know that.
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OK, who has actually managed to get the 1000Hz scale crystal set to work? I'm having a dickens of a time getting anywhere on that scale, the 4Mhz build was vastly easier and tuned with about a week of fiddling around.

I got zip nada nothing on the 1000Hz AM band, strange considering there are many 50K~100k watt stations around.

scratching my head, I can only gather that the calcs are lacking for that Fq, that doesn't add though as Eric would know that.
Do you mean radio reception with the 4 Mc? The secondary should work quite easily by itself. I'd recommend using some sort of amplifier on the audio output at this stage instead of the crystal earpiece, so you can actually hear what's going on. In my opinion the easiest way to find a signal would be to remove any primary condenser and tune the secondary down until you hear something.
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Do you mean radio reception with the 4 Mc? The secondary should work quite easily by itself. I'd recommend using some sort of amplifier on the audio output at this stage instead of the crystal earpiece, so you can actually hear what's going on. In my opinion the easiest way to find a signal would be to remove any primary condenser and tune the secondary down until you hear something.
Not on the 4Mhz, I built a pair of 4Mhz coil sets for push pull, I also built a set for the 1000Hz AM band but it never worked, decided to go back and modify it with new 2ndary wire, tried various primary setups. nothing, strangely the large setup just isn't working. I've got enough copper plate to build a large condensor for the primary but not sure that will do much if I can't get anything to start with.
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Radio Engineering Terman:

http://www.tubebooks.org/Books/Happell_engineering.pdf

Waveguide Charts:

http://www.engr.sjsu.edu/rkwok/EE172/circular_WG.JPG

Terman doesn't actually go into waveguides so selected another set.
However, he does go into photocells and 2050s and a good circuit there with component values.
Think Eric was thinking of another book and will upload when I find which one it was.

garretM4,
Working with Vacuum Tubes is simply sheer fun!
You are working in an area that I have lots of data for in Electrometers but have not been there for a while as the simple pickup head with the bridge 1N34As has told me how to distinguish between TEM and LMD.
Contact for TEM, no contact for LMD, that simple.
I have many other sensitive Electrometers here but nothing as simple as the above.
No coils required just a probe as you would use in a waveguide is sufficient, mine are bent hooks to fit over a bolt shaft.

The CSI at this time is booming with a very loud signal and attempting to tune to bring it into a speaker.
Trying regenerative feedback but a new art is in the making as this will be done with more Germanium and not coils and condensers.

Have been collecting Vacuum Tubes here that were specifically designed for Electrometer use including a rather large Vibron Electrometer unit from the UK but has the vibrating capacitor head missing but am going to substitute with one of Gregory Hodowanec's FET inputs which I have here in an 'E' field meter.
Has a very large analogue meter and the large inside is pristine in condition where I was going to use the parts for other projects but simply to good to dismantle.

Technology of today may be smaller and more convenient to use but it is specifically designed for a single purpose and all the other manifestations that are also going on at the same time are simply lost but in the vintage Tube scene, you get to see all the phenomena that is right there at your fingertips.
Some of the Tubes just for Electrometer work are 6BE6, 6BS7, 14001/2/3/4, Beckman 931, 932, Hivac XE2, examples here:

Inverted Electron Tube High Input Impedance Circuit Amplifier Electrometer

The purpose of this Post was to show that we already have a means of detecting the LMD 'wave' in the simple pickup head and easily discriminates against the TEM.
Will still recommend the 3.1 Kohm total impedance of the Trimm of Chicago headphones.
The higher the impedance, the better.
Will put up some pics at 'n6kph'.

Good to see others enjoying this new world opening up before everyone in vintage Vacuum Tubes.

If you build the detecting head as I have described many times, it will allow you to probe your CSI to find where your signal is hiding and you just might find that it is behind some of that bad Math.

The variable condenser in between secondary and extra works well and is tuneable and recommended to increase signal level as against the copper rings.

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Not on the 4Mhz, I built a pair of 4Mhz coil sets for push pull, I also built a set for the 1000Hz AM band but it never worked, decided to go back and modify it with new 2ndary wire, tried various primary setups. nothing, strangely the large setup just isn't working. I've got enough copper plate to build a large condensor for the primary but not sure that will do much if I can't get anything to start with.
Have you done any frequency sweeps on it? The frequency is probably too low with the extra coil so technically a "1000 kc system" as originally designed needs to be scaled down (if bypassing the 1/4 + 1/4 wave resonance problem, which is probably best in order to get immediate results), in order to get the frequency back up. But the secondary alone should work easy enough at 1000 kc. I could pick up at least 3 different stations on the flat spiral so you should be able to get something. I'd remove everything, start with the secondary, and start waving my hands about for some capacitance/tuning, with the audio amplifier turned up. It might be very sensitive so you might completely miss it without a method of fine tuning and enough volume.
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Moray was likely hands-on experienced with negative resistance crystal oscillators as well, and was said to have constructed his own self-healing (quartz powder) shorting-capacitors, which if used in series with an outdoor antenna would suddenly+repeatedly pull charge into his early energy receiver circuits.

His use of radioactive crystals would then enhance 'reception', though the radiated interference must have been horrendous.

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Have you done any frequency sweeps on it? The frequency is probably too low with the extra coil so technically a "1000 kc system" as originally designed needs to be scaled down (if bypassing the 1/4 + 1/4 wave resonance problem, which is probably best in order to get immediate results), in order to get the frequency back up. But the secondary alone should work easy enough at 1000 kc. I could pick up at least 3 different stations on the flat spiral so you should be able to get something. I'd remove everything, start with the secondary, and start waving my hands about for some capacitance/tuning, with the audio amplifier turned up. It might be very sensitive so you might completely miss it without a method of fine tuning and enough volume.
Ahh, see geometry is important, you used a flat spiral. I've tried a flat spiral and that does have some reception, however the std coil is not proving to be productive at this frequency. In the borderland video Erics coil setup was for ~3Mhz so I wonder if anyone has had any results at the much lower frequency.
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Ahh, see geometry is important, you used a flat spiral. I've tried a flat spiral and that does have some reception, however the std coil is not proving to be productive at this frequency. In the borderland video Erics coil setup was for ~3Mhz so I wonder if anyone has had any results at the much lower frequency.
My flat spiral was at 882 kc. Another station was China Radio which according to wikipedia is 846 kc, 900 kc or 1008 kc. So I don't think frequency is the problem.

Apparently the China Radio signal is coming from Beijing??

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Language Studio (1008 AM in Beijing)
... now the frequency 900 AM is occupied by CRI News Radio (Beijing only).
China Radio International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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I also built a set for the 1000Hz AM band but it never worked, decided to go back and modify it with new 2ndary wire, tried various primary setups. nothing, strangely the large setup just isn't working.
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So with a rig setup for 1000 Kcps .. You recieved nothing?

So with the given formula, the rig size would be about: Secondary coil diameter would be 0.76 meters, height 0.15 meters. (76cm : 15cm) Secondary wire length 47.74 meters.

Wonder why the larger rig isnt working?

@ Dr G: (And perhps you've ansewerd this already but i've missed it) What test equipment (oscillator / generator / amplifier/ scope) are you using to drive & test your coils? This equipment (beyond 1Mhz) I am lacking and I would like to buy something suitable, at a resonable prices. The lack of this equipment is somewhat holding me back.

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I have visited some local Ham radio clubs of recent times, looking to learn more and to eventually obtain a licence etc. I have seen demonstrated, an interfacing a computer using various programs to code and decode RTTY (actually Baudot code) To trasmit and recieve, connected to their RIG. Some of these programs are downloadable for free, like 'Hamscope' and MMTTY.
Although I have no idea how to use these programs as yet. Here are some links.

HamScope

Downloading & Installing MMTTY

The alternative 'Underground' internet?
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@ Dr G: (And perhps you've ansewerd this already but i've missed it) What test equipment (oscillator / generator / amplifier/ scope) are you using to drive & test your coils? This equipment (beyond 1Mhz) I am lacking and I would like to buy something suitable, at a resonable prices. The lack of this equipment is somewhat holding me back.
I'm using this

MWG05 1Hz - 5MHz DDS Signal Generator Source Module TTL Output with Sweep Scan | eBay

But as a warning I'd say you get what you pay for. I can do a frequency sweep and get all the measurements, then go back to the start and the noted measurements are 2mV out. So that wastes some time, what seems to make it a bit better is to turn it on an hour before I want to use it and do some frequency changes. It acts differently above and below the resonant frequency of the coil so apparently doing this before taking measurements makes it a bit more reliable. But it's ok considering the price of the nicer signal generators, the USB interface is a nice feature.

For measurement, the scope is a Pico ADC-200, being PC based it has meters and XY scope and spectrum analyser etc so it can almost do everything that's required here in itself. But digital being what it is, it's "acceptable".

On the analogue side, AVO 100μA ammeter which is now a part of the ARRL RF current probe and was originally used as the "Field Intensity Meter" Eric posted. TMK Model 500 works ok to measure the potential on the 2.5V AC range, but the AVO Model 8 Mk2 does not. 1.5v 15mA bulbs are currently in transport via the Chinese connection (ebay).

Amplifier is a DIY 2N2222 with 50 ohm output impedance which I just got up and running a few days ago but needs some tweaking for more voltage gain. At the moment I only have 2v RMS going to the single turn test coil, but it's finally an amp that works I'm starting to be able to light neons and fluorescent tubes with the coil when it's unearthed.
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Bassdrive.com will be live "on earth" on 3095 kc for the next 7 minutes

Notes: With nothing but an AV plug and a crystal earpiece I can connect to any earth point in the house and pick up an audible signal. Audible field range around the coil is approx 1.5 metres, or 3 metres diameter.
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Bassdrive.com will be live "on earth" on 3095 kc for the next 7 minutes

Notes: With nothing but an AV plug and a crystal earpiece I can connect to any earth point in the house and pick up an audible signal. Audible field range around the coil is approx 1.5 metres, or 3 metres diameter.
explain a bit more please, are you broadcasting a signal? receiving a signal from? need a bit more details to follow.

I haven't sat down and crunched the numbers but I do note from my notes that a .6vrms @0dbm signal magnified to ~3vrms on the extra when it was capacitive connected, that was also a push pull setup.
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explain a bit more please, are you broadcasting a signal? receiving a signal from? need a bit more details to follow.
I was broadcasting with the test setup, only difference was audio modulating the signal generator amplifier amplitude.
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