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Sorry guys,

I have a weak talent for the electrical field, but hold a very strong respect for the research here.

Anyways, I caught:

Tesla Round 2, The Mission of Eric Dollard | Indiegogo

And was wondering if there was any proof that Eric is still about, and that this money will find its way to him for his research. There is no private video or pictures showing that Eric and this project have any connection at all.

I mean no disrespect; but if it's someone using his name for fraud, I would like to follow up on dismantling this; otherwise would like to take part in spreading publicity to this fund project.

Thanks,
Ryan
Hey Ryan,

I can assure you that Eric will be receiving the money from this Indiegogo campaign. There are no video's (yet) of him endorsing the campaign, but there is this: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post216601. If you have ever browsed thru any of Eric's published works, you will know that it is written with the same 'block style' print that he has used for years. His other works can be seen here: http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...%20Dollard.pdf

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Hey Dave,

Thank you for such a swift response.

That is great to see. While a video or modern image of his connection would be of stronger evidence, I can see in his current situation how he might want to avoid such things. I simply felt defensive when I saw nothing new on him on the site and wanted to ensure his name wasn't be branded by fraudulence.

Thanks again, and thank you Eric for your selfless genius.
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according to the RCA internal book I have the cathodes were a barium carbonate oxide coating or barium-strontium on nickle.
filaments are thoriated tungsten.
Thanks.
I also think this is why Moray went on to develop his germanium semiconductors, which could oscillate without need for thermionic cathode heating, and thereby recover energy from his radioactive (Swedish) stone until it ran out of radiative (Cosmic) energy.

Cheers .......... Graham.
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Madhatter, Guys,
Feeling totally distraught here that I have made an error of sorts but had to read Eric's last Post twice and still don't understand what he is referring to.
Some bad comment at the 'Wardenclyffe' site but apart from that I have noticed that Eric is not a good communicator and tends to only do what he wants to do so your individual questions go unanswered and everybody becomes confused, just like me.

I will admit to missing in Fig 6 the 'Cathode Ray Tube' reference as what he had drawn was fitting in nicely with my own jigsaw of Moray and I will admit to reading into something of my own liking whereby missing the true intent of what he had presented.

Don't mind any talking about my age and yes, anything to do with RF and CW and RTTY etc is a part of my upbringing.
However, I admit to being a failure as a CW operator as I was too slow but that may be different today with confidence gained as I still remember the code.
RANavy control room at Canberra and Darwin was all RTTY using CW talk for communication to our Tx station or overseas for QSYs etc.

What have I missed here in looking for what I could use most out of Eric's material?

Are we talking of a setting up a Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) display that is going to be operated by an 0A4G and the communication medium will be CW and this will be done as a Telluric operating device?

If that is what was intended you can tell Eric I am ready when he is.

Have a CRT here waiting in an old Tek RM-503 - glows at me every night when I switch the lights off.

What Eric is missing here for his huge antenna farm are fencelines connected to water mains and all he needs is a property with many fences all interconnected like I have here with an infinite antenna at my disposal which is also a part of a town's water supply.
He has already done this himself in one of his Videos by using a roadside Fire Hydrant for Telluric communication.

I have from RCA 'Electron Tubes Volume II (1942-1948) and Volume I (1935-1941)' and these are probably the ones you are referring to.
Have not gone deeply into these but will do so.
There are many books in this field that I have here and the Glow Manual is particularly good.
This Manual needs to be read twice if you are not familiar with Glow Discharge and the Phototube Manual also excellent.

Apologise for disclosing what Eric is on about but I have Crystal Balls here and can see into the future.
Will look into keyboards that are able to convert to CW both Tx and Rx or am I ahead of everybody at this point?

Madhatter,
Would like to hear more of Eric's 'cold Longitudinal wave' in your own words if you would please as I am probably missing out on his profound theory as I am better as a # 2 in this situation.

GSM,
You may be correct and appreciate the input.
Where I am with Moray at this time is about 1927 where he appeared to improve his reception ability but need to follow the engineering advancement of Tube technology to piece together this as another jigsaw.

Eric needs to consider the Cross Feed Antenna (CFA) which I have brought to everyone's attention here earlier as I feel it is a Telluric antenna and exhibits phenomena similar to the Crystal Set Initiative (CSI).
If you can communicate from the USA to Europe on only 1 Watt, then a 'something' else is being activated here.
Reason for bringing this up is that inventions of old are not the only designs to use here but also accidental discoveries of today that have an associated phenomena that continues to be unexplained with existing science and theory.

More on all of this later.
Hope I haven't spoilt your day.

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I also think this is why Moray went on to develop his germanium semiconductors, which could oscillate without need for thermionic cathode heating, and thereby recover energy from his radioactive (Swedish) stone until it ran out of radiative (Cosmic) energy.

Cheers .......... Graham.
Graham, try and track down the "RCA 1940 vacuum tube design" book, lots of technical info. I read a little at a time and digest it when I can, the material and chemical composition and choices for the tubes go beyond response curves and delve into optics and poisoning. I'll see if I can source a link... ahh found one
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Madhatter, Guys,
Feeling totally distraught here that I have made an error of sorts but had to read Eric's last Post twice and still don't understand what he is referring to.
Some bad comment at the 'Wardenclyffe' site but apart from that I have noticed that Eric is not a good communicator and tends to only do what he wants to do so your individual questions go unanswered and everybody becomes confused, just like me.

I will admit to missing in Fig 6 the 'Cathode Ray Tube' reference as what he had drawn was fitting in nicely with my own jigsaw of Moray and I will admit to reading into something of my own liking whereby missing the true intent of what he had presented.

Don't mind any talking about my age and yes, anything to do with RF and CW and RTTY etc is a part of my upbringing.
However, I admit to being a failure as a CW operator as I was too slow but that may be different today with confidence gained as I still remember the code.
RANavy control room at Canberra and Darwin was all RTTY using CW talk for communication to our Tx station or overseas for QSYs etc.

What have I missed here in looking for what I could use most out of Eric's material?

Are we talking of a setting up a Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) display that is going to be operated by an 0A4G and the communication medium will be CW and this will be done as a Telluric operating device?

If that is what was intended you can tell Eric I am ready when he is.

Have a CRT here waiting in an old Tek RM-503 - glows at me every night when I switch the lights off.

What Eric is missing here for his huge antenna farm are fencelines connected to water mains and all he needs is a property with many fences all interconnected like I have here with an infinite antenna at my disposal which is also a part of a town's water supply.
He has already done this himself in one of his Videos by using a roadside Fire Hydrant for Telluric communication.

I have from RCA 'Electron Tubes Volume II (1942-1948) and Volume I (1935-1941)' and these are probably the ones you are referring to.
Have not gone deeply into these but will do so.
There are many books in this field that I have here and the Glow Manual is particularly good.
This Manual needs to be read twice if you are not familiar with Glow Discharge and the Phototube Manual also excellent.

Apologise for disclosing what Eric is on about but I have Crystal Balls here and can see into the future.
Will look into keyboards that are able to convert to CW both Tx and Rx or am I ahead of everybody at this point?

Madhatter,
Would like to hear more of Eric's 'cold Longitudinal wave' in your own words if you would please as I am probably missing out on his profound theory as I am better as a # 2 in this situation.

GSM,
You may be correct and appreciate the input.
Where I am with Moray at this time is about 1927 where he appeared to improve his reception ability but need to follow the engineering advancement of Tube technology to piece together this as another jigsaw.

Eric needs to consider the Cross Feed Antenna (CFA) which I have brought to everyone's attention here earlier as I feel it is a Telluric antenna and exhibits phenomena similar to the Crystal Set Initiative (CSI).
If you can communicate from the USA to Europe on only 1 Watt, then a 'something' else is being activated here.
Reason for bringing this up is that inventions of old are not the only designs to use here but also accidental discoveries of today that have an associated phenomena that continues to be unexplained with existing science and theory.

More on all of this later.
Hope I haven't spoilt your day.

Smokey
It was a couple of things floating around that fell into place when I read his last msg. the sign off on his posts are CW morse, his complaint in the tesla videos of the lack of morse being a requirement for a license these days. then when going over the schematics the bell trigger and coils seemed odd- bam it fell into place. a longitudinal CW DX/TX setup that is global and needs little power.

there are software programs apparently that will do the morse in/out for you. not a bad idea but I'd go with an isolation circuit to avoid putting noise on the circuit, trigger a valve ground relay perhaps?

the 1000 acre farm stuck out, the early posts are all geared around 1000cps, BIG coincidence there. I don't think a massive ground field is needed here, could be wrong but not sure.

I've got all the components except for a GM tube, one of the tube manuals I have lists out a fair number of them and they vary in voltage etc.. I'll have to go back and see if any specs are listed by Eric in regards to which tube, or if a substitute can be used. GM tubes are sensitive to background radiation and noise.

planing on putting all the circuit schematics into one large layout, might be helpful.

I can only guess that CW RTTY is being used as the bandwidth is an unknown in this new domain, it's not Hz it's not really telluric this is space charge tension, whole different game!
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Hi, Rayon,

I wrote the article about Eric on jinnwe and did the campaign on indiegogo.
We do need a video yes and we are working on it. A short film. If you have ideas for making it go viral please share! Web and I are working to save Eric and his work. All those that are up to fighting for the truth, please join us and spread the word.

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Sorry guys,

I have a weak talent for the electrical field, but hold a very strong respect for the research here.

Anyways, I caught:

Tesla Round 2, The Mission of Eric Dollard | Indiegogo

And was wondering if there was any proof that Eric is still about, and that this money will find its way to him for his research. There is no private video or pictures showing that Eric and this project have any connection at all.

I mean no disrespect; but if it's someone using his name for fraud, I would like to follow up on dismantling this; otherwise would like to take part in spreading publicity to this fund project.

Thanks,
Ryan
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The frequency of the secondary was naturally too low for tuning with the condenser rings, so an adjustable earthed plate was improvised from MDF, double sided tape and tinfoil, fitting onto the existing support rods.



Improved connection to extra coil



Secondary tuned to 3670 kc, extra coil free



Secondary and extra coil both free

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Madhatter,
Thanks for that.
Has Eric talked about this 'space charge tension' before as sometimes it goes over my head and am not able to follow his direction?
Don't think I am alone here either!
Is there anywhere where we can go to read up on this phenomena?
Eric gets serially pissed off at times and I think he fails to understand that he is way ahead of us and we simply don't know what he is on about.

Geiger Muller Tubes are big in Russia and they have many on sale and here is one example:

New Russian Geiger Muller Tube Counters CI 11BG SI 11BG | eBay

My GM Counter here has a small Russian tube installed but is in kit form and not as yet built.
The other GM Counter is Canadian made and is a broad spectrum type used during WW2.
3rd unit is Oz made during the 50s Nuclear scare and needs refurbishment.
These are all actually working devices.
The Cintel 21" Type GM2 I have here and have posted pictures of are available from sources in the UK and the spiel that goes with these Tubes follows:

This is a gas proportional Geiger-Muller counting tube. The anode is a tungsten wire which was originally stretched the length of the tube . The cathode is a thin copper tube which sits inside the glass tube. This is a mixed gas filled tube with an operating voltage in the region of 1300V. It should be noted that these tubes were hand made and each tube was different requiring individual calibration to determine it's counting charactaristics and it's particular maximum operating voltage. It is not known which gasses were used in these commercial tubes but earlier experimental types were evacuated and then filled with argon/oxygen mixtures. This type of tube required a quenching circuit and was called a 'slow counter' although the term is confusing since the actual counting speed of the 'fast counter' was slower than that of a 'slow counter'. The quenching circuit allowed rapid detection and provided a longer life than the self quenching polyatomic gas types. The quenching circuit was first devised by H.V. Neher and W.W. Harper, Phys. Rev., 49(1936), 940.

Note that this Tube requires a quenching circuit.

Moray in 1927:
Found a good source of vintage Tube information (1922 to 1930) from the Radio Broadcast Magazine:

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Found my Trimm of Chicago headphones in here going for $2.20!

Hope this all helps.

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Thanks for that info Garrett. Did the file disappear?? That Bell Labs video is excellent. I've seen that machine before but never as well demonstrated as the guy who invented it, the part on impedance was very revealing.
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New Link to Guillemin Comm. Nets. Vol. 2

dR-Green,

Filedropper, the host I originally used to upload the book, only keeps files for about a week if you don't pay for an account... I think MediaFire would have been a better file host.

That said, I've re-uploaded it to my Scrib account for anyone who wasn't able to download it:

Communication Networks Volume 2, up to Chapter III

I thought the Bell Labs "Shive Wave Machine" was a fantastic visual representation of a very enigmatic topic, Dr. John N Shive gives an impressive lecture in the video as well. Definitely helped me in grasping what the whole "reflection" phenomena was about. I fully understood the voltage and current characteristics change per unit distance as the impedance changes along the line but the reflection of transmitted energy isn't something that is intuitive and easily grasped, until visually, or physically, seen at least. Another interesting observation is the movement of the energy along the line, The individual parts of the Wave Machine just move up and down but energy traveling along the whole line is at a 90* angle to that - similar to a transverse electric wave (and it relations between E, H & S).

With the above taken into consideration, I think Mr. Dollard's explanation of the transmitted energy "refraction" between the Secondary & Extra, due to impedance mismatch, makes more sense. Now finding the correct amount of impedance mismatch, between the two, seems to be an interesting task, let alone building the coils for a specific natural impedance at a certain frequency - which seems to be what's actually needed. When I get some more free time I'd like to look up some expressions relating to "refraction" in a transmission line to find an optimal angle - or the related approach, find an optimal reflection coefficient.

I think more effort is needed on engineering each individual coil for a specific natural impedance with the desired harmonic mode of excitation. In this way, number of turns and all other physical factors are adjusted to provide an "equivalent impedance function" as required. This allows you to arbitrarily change a parameter but still have a working unit, similar to how all the various Guillemin Lines (A, B, C, D, E & F - current fed & voltage fed) have an equivalent impedance function despite the drastic differences in physical construction between each type.

An alternative approach is to leave the coil impedances arbitrary but strictly maintain an optimal reflection coefficient. This allows you to build using various coil impedances for experimentation... until an optimal impedance function has been found. Similar to the usage of 50-ohm coax for POWER transmission and 75-ohm coax for SIGNAL transmission. 50-ohm (actually ~30-ohm) can move the most power effectively but 75-ohm (actually ~77-ohm) has the lowest attenuation per unit distance - both were EXPERIMENTALLY determined by Bell Laboratories. (50-ohm is a compromise between 30-ohm & 77-ohm)

Some thoughts,
Garrett M

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Notes to the Shive Wave Generator video, as given by AT&T's website:

Introduction by George Kupczak of the AT&T Archives and History Center

On an elementary conceptual level, this film reflects the multifaceted scientific hyperthinking that was typical of a Bell Labs approach. Host Dr. J.N. Shive's presence as a lecturer is excellent - it's understandable by a layperson even when he branches into equations, because he uses copious amounts of real-world examples to bolster the material.

Shive's role at Bell Labs was more than just a great lecturer: he worked on early transistor technology, inventing the phototransistor in 1950, and the machine he uses in the film is his invention, now called the Shive Wave Machine in college classrooms.

Dr. J.N. Shive of Bell Labs demonstrates and discusses the following aspects of wave behavior:

Reflection of waves from free and clamped ends
Superposition
Standing waves and resonance
Energy loss by impedance mismatching
Reduction of energy loss by quarter-wave and tapered-section transformer
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I'm going to divulge a bit more here, first though bear in mind this information is birthed from yrs of study in conventional physics and doctorate research in QED. That alone is enough to have Eric dry heaving, I know, but all is not lost. Many mainstream physicists are going against the grain so to speak due to the many inconsistencies and 'trouble' within the popular theories of the day.

I've in the past pointed to correlations and connections of Erics work and that of some interesting research in the mainstream. As Eric has not directly corrected or commented in a negative manner on the points I can only assume that he's not against the viewpoint.

First and most importantly is the need to grasp and understand the -j rotation, what it means and why. without that you will literally be lost. it's been stated many times on the transverse nature of the EM wave, the conjugate pairing of the fields. ---this is where I think some knowledge on higher dimensions can help, as this gets into counter-space, though counter space is an inverse function in general terms, we are not dealing with 2D but 4D, so the inverse of 3D and higher is very different from a 2D plane, esp rotations!

simplified, I'll do my best here. taking the fabricated 'planes' of the E and B fields as restricted to a 2D plane their transverse propagation is though each other into the 3D plane at "right angles", keep in mind this is not reality but a graphical representation of the mathematics involved. by 'rotation' of the B field of plane into the E field they will no longer be "crossing" thru each other. for those wondering or asking "whats the big deal?" it's the emergent incident wave that is generated from the std transverse interaction, as the two cross at 'right angles' to each other the interference in the higher dimensional plane creates the hertzian wave we all know, when the two planes are not crossing there is no wave created, it's a flat line-------- look familiar? it should, DC current is a flat line. the difference here though is that DC has no frequency, a longitudinal wave has frequency but no emergent time domain, unless......
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the emergent time domain of a longitudinal wave. this occurs at the boundary of where the longitudinal wave transits to a transverse one. what is happening is that the E&B fields are rotating back to right angles again. the interference pattern will emerge. while the wave is longitudinal it will have a zero time function in our 4D universe, FTL but at the boundary it will drop to C again. where the boundary occurs is the magic!

longitudinal waves are a known and researched phenomenon in science, found in plasma, pulsars, electrostatic fields. generating the wave is the hard part. there is an monoatomic sized boundary layer on the cathode of a vacuum tube that generates this plasma field that is longitudinal. at any time that you have photon energy release, you are transitioning to C, spark discharge, corona glow etc.. we see the plasma field because of the drop to C. think of it like the cerenkov radiation effect.

to signal thru a plasma field would be the holy grail of communication. distance is no longer a factor, the only time loss would be in the decoding of the signal at the receiver. micro seconds, globally this isn't a massive gain, but scale out, lunar, planetary, solar, galaxy.... now it becomes a HUGE delta!

that's really the simple boiled down aspect. OK for those wondering what any of that has to do with free energy or alternative energy etc.. it gets a bit more complex. due to the longitudinal nature of the wave it will self sustain and carry all the energy it needs to transit again, in other words, what you put in can all be recovered at the other end, no loss. how? this gets even more complex. a simplified explanation is resonance.

I've left out the complex equations and explanations to save pages of writing.

Erics work and proposal was simply to be able to communicate and transmit at FTL with no loss, given that you could also supply energy anywhere needed with no loss. A bit more manipulation and you can source energy without the need to go thru multiple rotations of the E & B fields. that last one is highly complex and there is no current mathematics that have been developed to handle it.
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some of the schematics list resonant bell coils 20cps.

that's the old telephone ringer bell setup in the US, 20Hz.
Phone lines normally run on -48v DC (referenced to ground) when the line is idle.

During the ringing cycle (in the US, 2 seconds on, 4 seconds off), a ringing voltage of 75-90v AC (typically 20 Hz in the US) is superimposed on top of the -48v DC.

When you take your phone off-hook, the line card at the central office (CO) senses the current and disconnects the ringing voltage. Meanwhile the voltage at the phone drops down to -12v or so, mostly due to the voltage drop across the line from the CO to your house.
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The [John Conner] of this thread has proposed a means of communications for post event transition.
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Longitudinal Waves

madhatter,

Not to stumble off into quaternions and vector calculus, but are you using the Heaviside-Hertz duplex form of "Maxwell's Equations"[1] in your description? Heaviside vehemently opposes even the thought of a longitudinal wave in this formulation of Maxwell's theory[2]. That said, ET Whittaker[4] and Helmholtz[5], aside from Tesla, thought that longitudinal electric waves could exist and worked these problems out mathematically, something Tesla never did or at least never published. Whittaker starts to delve into an alternative theory for gravity while also developing a theory for longitudinal electric waves utilizing Maxwell's "discarded" potentials. Interestingly, Helmholtz also makes use of the potentials in his work, but Heaviside finds it lacking[2].

While I'm not qualified to give an opinion, I don't think the vector duplex form of Maxwell's equations can accurately describe a longitudinal electric wave. This being the fundamental issue people face when working on this topic in general. It would seem that the "potentials", while nearly useless for describing transverse wave mechanics[3], may indeed be needed for the consideration of a longitudinal wave.

T.E. Bearden gives a great overview of the situation in his paper "Maxwell's Lost Unified Field Theory of Electromagnetics & Gravitation". Where he has painstakingly given his theory along with a plethora of useful references and notes for those unacquainted with all the details. Bearden seems to believe that quaternions and Maxwell's potentials are the only way you can fully describe a longitudinal electric wave.

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[1] Oliver Heaviside and Heinrich Hertz both independently discarded Maxwell's "potentials" and through such developed the "duplex form" of what we currently call "Maxwell's Equations" utilizing E, H, D & B.

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"The second chapter, pp. 20 to 131, consists of an outline scheme of the fundamentals of electromagnetic theory from the Faraday-Maxwell point of view, with some small modifications and extensions upon Maxwell's equations. It is done in terms of my rational units, which furnish the only way of carrying out the idea of lines and tubes of force in a consistent and ineligible manner. It is also done mainly in terms of vectors, for the sufficient reason that vectors are the main subject of investigation. It is also done in the duplex form I introduced in 1885, whereby the electric and magnetic sides of electromagnetism are symmetrically exhibited and connected, whilst the 'forces' and 'fluxes' are the objects of immediate attention, instead of the potential functions which are such powerful aids to obscuring and complicating the subject, and hiding from view useful and sometimes important relations."
O. Heaviside E.M.T. Vol. 1, pgs. iii-iv

The term "Maxwell's Equations" becomes a bit misleading as the modern form is actually a truncated subset of its original form, not withstanding the conversion from quaternions to vectors. The reasoning behind the continued use of the phrase "Maxwell's Equations" probably stems from Heaviside's lengthy commentary as given in the preface of his first volume on electromagnetic theory (notably, the text in red):

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The first approximation to the answer is to say, There is Maxwell's book as he wrote it; there is his text, and there are his equations: together they make his theory. But when we come to examine it closely, we find that this answer is unsatisfactory.

To begin with, it is sufficient to refer to papers by physicist, written say during the twelve years following the first publication of Maxwell's treatise, to see that there may be much difference of opinion as to what his theory is.

It may be, and has been, differently interpreted by different men, which is a sign that it is not set forth in a perfectly clear and unmistakeable form. There are many obscurities and some inconsistencies.

Speaking for myself, it was only by changing its form of presentation that I was able to see it clearly, and so as to avoid the inconsistencies. Now there is no finality in a growing science. It is, therefore, impossible to adhere strictly to Maxwell's theory as he gave it to the world, if only on account of its inconvenient form.

But it is clearly not admissible to make arbitrary changes in it and still call it his. He might have repudiated them utterly. But if we have good reason to believe that the theory as stated in his treatise does require modification to make it self-consistent, and to believe that he would have admitted the necessity of the change when pointed out to him, then I think the resulting modified theory may well be called Maxwell's."
O. Heaviside E.M.T. Vol. 1, pgs. vi-vii

[2] "On Compressional Electric or Magnetic Waves", O. Heaviside E.M.T. Vol. 2, Appendix D pgs. 493-506

[3] "On the Metaphysical Nature of the Propagation of the Potentials" O. Heaviside,Phil. Mag. 1889, Series 5, Vol. 27, No. 164, pgs 47-50

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[4a] "The Partial Differential Equations of Mathematical Physics", E.T. Whittaker Mathematical Physics Vol. 57, 1903, pgs. 333-355

[4b] "On An Expression of the Electromagnetic Field Due to Electrons by Means of Two Scalar Potential Functions", E.T. Whittaker London Mathematical Society, 1904, Series 2, Vol. 1, pgs 367-372

[5] Helmholtz's paper is hard to come by, however, in reference [2] Heaviside brings it up and gives some commentary.


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20cps ... this seems quite low of a frequency to make it "ring".

Take a look at this http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message.htm
go through the parts I to III. Please take some of it with a grain of salt per say. But looking at Whittakers and Walter Russel work I can see the effect and part of the cause.

I am thinking along the lines speed of light frequency but inside the atmosphere, not in the vacuum. Since some of the calculations of the speed of light a lot has changed within our lower atmosphere ... polution of carbon etc.. this would certainly make a difference in the harmonic, I think.

I will post some pages from Phenomena in High Frequency Systems from 1936 in a bit.
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Madhatter,
Thankyou for that and will admit that it was pretty much what I expected in that it will take some revolutionary thinking before we can nut this new phenomena out.
FTL?

Interesting to note that Plasma is involved and we get back to Vacuum Tubes.
Have been reading Spangenberg and his theory of what happens inside Tubes is comfortable reading and recommended to those who want an insight into Plasma, Space and Field Charge etc but there are many books here covering that subject:

http://www.tubebooks.org/Books/Spang...cuum_tubes.pdf

Technical books online by dxzone.com

Spheres:
Now going to put a spanner into the works and complicate things a little more and make a statement that said there is no such thing as a sound WAVE, it is a sound SPHERE that rolls towards you.
Everything we see to demonstrate TEM and LMD is done with a wave but is this correct and do we need to begin to understand this rolling sphere idea?
A round circle represents the 'Warmth Ether' (tends toward the spherical form) and the first level of Ethers and I think this is the one we initially make contact with - probably spheres within spheres - concentric circles.
Tesla pointed this out with the use of Carbon in his spark gaps as being the Ether that was being invited in.
The Warmth Ether is the one associated directly with 'the formative forces'.
We talk of something travelling through the air but it is really travelling through the Ether.
Why does the wind, depending on its direction, either make the sound louder or softer?

Energy Synthesis Don Smith device:
Producing plasma here with a Carbon spark gap (no arc - an Ion Valve - Don Smith, Moray) fed from an old TV Flyback that is variable frequency Impulse controlled and can charge up oil filled high kilovolt condensers with very low current being used from the power supply.
One reason why I am into Tubes is that this stored energy can be extracted through Thyratrons into useable energy and working on this in the background - downconversion, has not been easy.
The energy being stored here is huge and simply done and why I get a little shirty here when Eric can't see what's really going on and takes me away from an 'Energy Synthesis' device while I also try to make sense of his disclosures while he is available.
I can connect this to the CSI and will do so.

Have been messing with the CSI, still passively, as there is something there I am attempting to grasp between the TEM and the LMD and trying to improve the magnification factor.
Has it occurred to anyone that there is a reason why the Extra Coil is basically 'square' in form as this is the closest we can get to representing a sphere?
Wondering now if a Variometer inside the Extra might tell us what is going on or simply a sphere for the Extra.
Have a small one here and will try as this will also become a condenser.
Try using a small variable condenser instead of the Copper rings above the secondary and note how your body/hand interferes with the capacity but you are able to tune this way where it is difficult with the rings.
An extension of this is the same type variable condenser between the top of Extra and top load tin can.
Thinking out aloud and just waiting for that 'Eureka moment'.
Connecting here with Walter Russell and his energy coils which were basically a sphere when attached together.

Let that sit for a while as I considered what I had written and the penny dropped - that 'Eureka moment' - probably!
This Don Smith device I have operates best at about 95Khz and I could never figure out why always there and here we are at Tesla's same working frequency and probably has an LMD component and working at Earth resonant frequency of about 150Khz.
That's why it builds up charge so fast in the caps with only 7 Watts being drawn from the supply as I am tapping ambient energy.
This energy as it charges is 'cold' and you can feel it on the wires.
This is the same circuit that once the caps are discharged, they build up stored energy again and repeatedly so and why the following happened.

I have been zapped by these caps accidentally and remember distinctly losing a second of my life, went in the left palm and out through my right hand which was dangling on my right side, I felt the zap on my leg.

So not only have we tapped into earth resonance we are also tapping into our 'Energy Synthesis' here as well.
What we do next is to finalise the Thyratron circuits to bring the Kv down to a working voltage which I have always said would be more out than put in which was established empirically through an output spark gap experiment.

This may be better - to connect this up to the CSI as it is an Impulse driver and see what manifests as I would expect magnification via the Extra Coil and would expect lamps to be lit without problems and could also expect there to be no drain on input supply as more lamps or loads are added as this is exactly what Tesla had intended with his high frequency and high voltage experiments and the TMT.
I specifically redesigned the pulser such that its range was from about 1Khz up to about 350Khz and works well.

Sorry for the long post but that's how I sometimes put two and two together by concentrating on the problem at hand.
If this works out as I appear to see it will, will pass on all the information, schematics etc.
Later on this, much to do.
Deadline is 21st of December 2012.

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Thankyou for that and will admit that it was pretty much what I expected in that it will take some revolutionary thinking before we can nut this new phenomena out.
FTL?Smokey
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Spheres:
Now going to put a spanner into the works and complicate things a little more and make a statement that said there is no such thing as a sound WAVE, it is a sound SPHERE that rolls towards you.
Everything we see to demonstrate TEM and LMD is done with a wave but is this correct and do we need to begin to understand this rolling sphere idea?
A round circle represents the 'Warmth Ether' (tends toward the spherical form) and the first level of Ethers and I think this is the one we initially make contact with - probably spheres within spheres - concentric circles.
Tesla pointed this out with the use of Carbon in his spark gaps as being the Ether that was being invited in.
The Warmth Ether is the one associated directly with 'the formative forces'.
We talk of something travelling through the air but it is really travelling through the Ether.
Why does the wind, depending on its direction, either make the sound louder or softer?

Smokey
this goes along with Garretts post above, I'll touch on this first. quaternions are far better suited to this phenomenon then the fracturing or tearing that is occurring and reducing the fields to planes. it's not that it's physically a sheet or plane, physicists do understand it's a spherical 'wave' or in the quantum world a probability cloud, but I digress. It's just that equations for electromagnetic waves were originated in mechanics and thus it is so. the mathematics gets very complex in trying to handle this, hence counter-space algebra, vectors, versors, scalars etc.. all being translated, trying to keep symmetry etc..

now just dropping everything into quaternions isn't going to work either, it needs to be fundamentally re-done as units and terms don't just drop into the spherical world of quaternions. a group at MIT has tried to develop a quaternion view of physics but it gets mired as the convention of keeping all of SR and force fitting it in doesn't work.

So long answer short, yes it's a spherical wave. however it's reduced into 'planes' and magnitude and direction are vectors. think of it as scalar reduction, a lot is lost this way.

I'm trying to think of how to explain this next part in a way that makes sense to the layman. although the wave is a spherical manifestation it's hyper-dimensional, it's not a compression of air but of our 3D observable universe, since we can not comprehend or understand beyond 3D it's impossible to explain it fully. if for example we could observe a 4th dimension then time would be as manipulative as moving a table across the room. confused
I also think this is where the ether talk arises from and gets confused with some sort of observable medium. dark matter is the topic dejour and fits this bill.

note: I use 3D and exclude time as time is a hotly debated topic as to if it's emergent or a dimension. either way it falls beyond our immediate dimensional manipulation, for now. even though things move FTL it's not a violation of time, just the screwy idea that the constant C is some limit to our observational ability.
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The way I vision it is like the sets of balls hanging from a string and you pull one back and let it go and the end one takes off ... the very tip of the bow (coming from the inward to middle to outward spiral, like Walter Russel) or the tip of the ball moving fast then the center or FTL which is compressed outwards like the right angle. The center to me is the electromagnetic. So if we can get the dark matter or ether to ring like the balls it is instant in the quantum relm and our 3D relm. By disturbing the middle we can cause the expansion of the wave and the snap of it coming back from the push on both side further expanding the middle which we can observe with the instruments of today.

Not sure if that makes sense to anyone.

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That was a lot to go thru.
I come from the more current view of longitudinal waves of the purely electrostatic field.
Waves in plasmas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Heaviside for whatever his reasons were he despised quaternions and thus I think threw the baby out with the bathwater. probably why he's so adamant on retaining a matrix of Cartesian coordinates and vectors.

I found the Curry book: Theory of electricity and magnetism : Curry, Charles Emerson : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
it has Helmholtz equations and derivations and reductions to Maxwell, very interesting read. need to spend more time on it but you can really see gravity emerging from it.

It can be a bit confusing to try and correlate what we know know through experiments and further study to what the pioneers were debating. Heaviside simplified Maxwell I think out of necessity and ego, lets be honest about the players of the day, they had BIG ego's and fought for funding and prominence, not much different today. cut thru the hyperbole and mud slinging and look at equations Heaviside worked hard at getting vector notation to work for 3D scalar fields.

Heaviside disagrees with the longitudinal wave associated to the conjugate pairing of the fields similar to sound waves, that is correct. he's also correct in that light is also the absence of such waves, technical point as he's not saying that they are non-existent but not in the form or present where stated.

I find this statement interesting of Heaviside:
"Again,merely to emphasize the preceding, the variables chosen should be capable of representing the energy stored. Now the magentic energy may be expressed in terms of A, though with entirly erroneus localization; but electric energy cannot be expressed in terms of Psi. Maxwell did it, but the applicaation is strictly limited to electrostatics;"

his approach is purely electromagnetic, electrostatics were not commercially useful and not fully understood, even today it's a relatively unstudied and new frontier.
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20cps ... this seems quite low of a frequency to make it "ring".

Take a look at this http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message.htm
go through the parts I to III. Please take some of it with a grain of salt per say. But looking at Whittakers and Walter Russel work I can see the effect and part of the cause.

I am thinking along the lines speed of light frequency but inside the atmosphere, not in the vacuum. Since some of the calculations of the speed of light a lot has changed within our lower atmosphere ... polution of carbon etc.. this would certainly make a difference in the harmonic, I think.

I will post some pages from Phenomena in High Frequency Systems from 1936 in a bit.
it's a component that requires some digging to source and understand. detective work is needed. http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/archives/t...ow.phones.work
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it's a component that requires some digging to source and understand. detective work is needed. http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/archives/t...ow.phones.work
restart - I was not referring to actual phone systems at 20hz ... what was the schematic you were referring to ? in your earlier post.
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Vril Compendium online

The Vril Compendium has been posted online on a torrent site, you need to register to access the torrent, well worth it though. Eric has referenced these documents numerous times and I've read Gerry's other works and am certain there is a vast amount of knowledge here. I do hope this is ok to post per the moderators, if not let me know or delete the post, don't want to break any rules here.

http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=31460

Lost Sciences & Vril Archive - G. Vassilatos publications
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-detai...1460&hit=1
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Lost Sciences & Vril Archive - G. Vassilatos publications

Gerry Vassilatos’ books are incredible resources for lost and suppressed science and invention. This collection isn’t complete, but it is what we have been able to assemble for you.

May the Vril force be with you!

VRIL COMPENDIUM I - WHITE RAY CONDUCTORS

An astounding assortment of arcane designs and remarkable inventions is presented in the first volume. Aerial batteries were designs which made practical use of the energies which celestial currents and rays brought to earth. Patents of Ward, Vion, Palenscar and others. Earth currents and earth resonance are discussed extensively in this volume.

VRIL COMPENDIUM II - VRIL TELEGRAPHY

Telegraphy began with a truly radionic basis. Maps show that the telegraph system was literally generated along VRIL paths as railroad personnel followed their own intuitions while laying track.

VRIL COMPENDIUM III - VRIL LINKAGE

The manner in which VRIL radiance has been apprehended through “aquavideo”, photographs, and photochemical means is thoroughly documented here in remarkable depth. Introducing telegraphic patents which made direct use of ancient geomantic means for communicating intent: non-electric pendulum telegraph systems, and VRIL impression recording systems.

VRIL COMPENDIUM IV - VRIL ARCHEFORMS

A remarkable assortment of earth battery patents. A primer course in VRIL genesis of metal lodes and placer deposits is found here. How ancient architecture managed to accumulate, intercept, and modulate VRIL was only the first step of a science which has yet to reach its perfection. The use of radionic tuners (made to entune VRIL and raise virtual structures) is discussed throughout this section of photographs and illustrations.

VRIL COMPENDIUM V - VRIL CONNECTION

The discovery of nerve-induction telephony by Antonio Meucci in 1849 marked the true birth of telephony. In these documents, patents, and articles we read of developments whereby deaf persons could hear directly through the nerveworks of the body. These early attempts to approach true empathic transmission are the basis of systems which Tesla would later advance to a wary scientific public.

VRIL COMPENDIUM VI - VRIL TELEPHONY

A presentation of nearly every pertinent VRIL transducer of which telephony was comprised. How the human aura and its VRIL threads dendritically merge with the natural VRIL is the central theme here. Every kind of transducer is shown. Presents systems which intensified the VRIL content of telephone lines with no need for electrical power!

VRIL COMPENDIUM VII - VRIL DENDRITIC GROUND SYSTEMS

A presentation on the earliest unknown wireless researchers: Mahlon Loomis, Nathan Stubblefield, & Dr. Amos Dolbear. This volume chronicles the discovery of natural VRIL power in the earth ... usable power for communications of signal, word, & intent.

VRIL COMPENDIUM VIII - VRIL AND GROUND RADIO

The early trans-aqueous systems of Steinheil (1838) and others. Complete patent collections: ground signalling systems of J. Murgas, Tesla, Rogers, etc. Static-free reception for shortwave afficionadi! Forgotten commercial underground antennas. Magnified radio transmission through geological formations.

VRIL COMPENDIUM IX - VRIL AND AERIAL RADIO

Aerials not Antennas. Learn the relationship between electro-impulses and VRIL currents. Capacitative systems of enormous size and anomalous operation. Space rays and Ground rays meeting in transmitter components. VLF waveguides, valleys as radio-chutes. Oil-filled tanks as VLF radiators. Electrical architecture and VRIL articulations. Bent-L, Split-T, Split-Y and other huge systems. Tesla, Fessenden, Lodge, Conrad, Butcher, Alexanderson, Squier, Thompson, Hughes, Fortesque, and many now-unknown designers.
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The Vril Compendium has been posted online on a torrent site, you need to register to access the torrent, well worth it though. Eric has referenced these documents numerous times and I've read Gerry's other works and am certain there is a vast amount of knowledge here. I do hope this is ok to post per the moderators, if not let me know or delete the post, don't want to break any rules here.

http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=31460

Lost Sciences & Vril Archive - G. Vassilatos publications
http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-detai...1460&hit=1
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Lost Sciences & Vril Archive - G. Vassilatos publications

Gerry Vassilatos’ books are incredible resources for lost and suppressed science and invention. This collection isn’t complete, but it is what we have been able to assemble for you.

May the Vril force be with you!

VRIL COMPENDIUM I - WHITE RAY CONDUCTORS

An astounding assortment of arcane designs and remarkable inventions is presented in the first volume. Aerial batteries were designs which made practical use of the energies which celestial currents and rays brought to earth. Patents of Ward, Vion, Palenscar and others. Earth currents and earth resonance are discussed extensively in this volume.

VRIL COMPENDIUM II - VRIL TELEGRAPHY

Telegraphy began with a truly radionic basis. Maps show that the telegraph system was literally generated along VRIL paths as railroad personnel followed their own intuitions while laying track.

VRIL COMPENDIUM III - VRIL LINKAGE

The manner in which VRIL radiance has been apprehended through “aquavideo”, photographs, and photochemical means is thoroughly documented here in remarkable depth. Introducing telegraphic patents which made direct use of ancient geomantic means for communicating intent: non-electric pendulum telegraph systems, and VRIL impression recording systems.

VRIL COMPENDIUM IV - VRIL ARCHEFORMS

A remarkable assortment of earth battery patents. A primer course in VRIL genesis of metal lodes and placer deposits is found here. How ancient architecture managed to accumulate, intercept, and modulate VRIL was only the first step of a science which has yet to reach its perfection. The use of radionic tuners (made to entune VRIL and raise virtual structures) is discussed throughout this section of photographs and illustrations.

VRIL COMPENDIUM V - VRIL CONNECTION

The discovery of nerve-induction telephony by Antonio Meucci in 1849 marked the true birth of telephony. In these documents, patents, and articles we read of developments whereby deaf persons could hear directly through the nerveworks of the body. These early attempts to approach true empathic transmission are the basis of systems which Tesla would later advance to a wary scientific public.

VRIL COMPENDIUM VI - VRIL TELEPHONY

A presentation of nearly every pertinent VRIL transducer of which telephony was comprised. How the human aura and its VRIL threads dendritically merge with the natural VRIL is the central theme here. Every kind of transducer is shown. Presents systems which intensified the VRIL content of telephone lines with no need for electrical power!

VRIL COMPENDIUM VII - VRIL DENDRITIC GROUND SYSTEMS

A presentation on the earliest unknown wireless researchers: Mahlon Loomis, Nathan Stubblefield, & Dr. Amos Dolbear. This volume chronicles the discovery of natural VRIL power in the earth ... usable power for communications of signal, word, & intent.

VRIL COMPENDIUM VIII - VRIL AND GROUND RADIO

The early trans-aqueous systems of Steinheil (1838) and others. Complete patent collections: ground signalling systems of J. Murgas, Tesla, Rogers, etc. Static-free reception for shortwave afficionadi! Forgotten commercial underground antennas. Magnified radio transmission through geological formations.

VRIL COMPENDIUM IX - VRIL AND AERIAL RADIO

Aerials not Antennas. Learn the relationship between electro-impulses and VRIL currents. Capacitative systems of enormous size and anomalous operation. Space rays and Ground rays meeting in transmitter components. VLF waveguides, valleys as radio-chutes. Oil-filled tanks as VLF radiators. Electrical architecture and VRIL articulations. Bent-L, Split-T, Split-Y and other huge systems. Tesla, Fessenden, Lodge, Conrad, Butcher, Alexanderson, Squier, Thompson, Hughes, Fortesque, and many now-unknown designers.


Thank u for this, i am downloading and seeding.

I had to sign up twice for to get that torrent... there must be an easier way for people to setup forums + a tracker online.. i might build it cuz I hate signing up for forums.

great torrent. i am wondering if anyone has ever found the companion book to secrets of cold war tech. it is impossible to find...
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Can this torrent be found any other way? I have a client but not sure how to really use it good. Can it just get the file from your seed? would love to read this stuff for sure.

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Can this torrent be found any other way? I have a client but not sure how to really use it good. Can it just get the file from your seed? would love to read this stuff for sure.

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I didn't upload the torrent to the site, a friend of mine did, I will be seeding this for some time now though, was just letting you guys know of it's existance because I know I've been looking for this for a long long time! Hopefully he can add other trackers to it so then it can be accessed though piratebay.se or something like that.

I prefer utorrent as a client, simply go to µTorrent - a (very) tiny BitTorrent client and install for your OS, then once u download the little torrent file, you open it with the utorrent program and off it goes, final destination to your download folder.
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Thankyou for the URL to the Vril Compendium.

I am on the page and says it is 500mB of PDF but there is no way given to download.
I have run the free Torrent program but you click the blue download button and all I get is a blue Menu asking for the URL.
I also now have at least 6 programs on my computer I don't want and if you don't 'Accept' you get nowhere.

There must be a better way!

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David, if you have utorrent installed, simply download the little tracking file that I linked, and then open that file with utorrent, it should open utorrent by default, but if it doesn't, right click the file and select the program to open it with, it will automatically download it for you and place in your download folder by default. Any questions let me know here or you can email me at energetix@hush.com, I'm happy to help in any way.
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Thankyou for the URL to the Vril Conpendium.

I am on the page and says it is 500mB of PDF but there is no way given to download.
I have run the free Torrent program but you click the blue download button and all I get is a blue Menu asking for the URL.
I also now have at least 6 programs on my computer I don't want and if you don't 'Accept' you get nowhere.

There must be a better way!

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Hi David,

I am a programmer. I like solving problems folks have.

Seems to me folks on here have been asking for a simple way to

1. have their own forum
2. upload an easily exchange files on that forum

is this correct?

anything else you'd add to that list?
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