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Old 12-01-2012, 04:43 AM
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Rick,

Socially defined things are not reality, they are just a predominant train of thought or an agreed view so to keep convention. What if the convention was based on spherical geometry as above where Garrett posted the page from The Art & Science of Analog Circuit Design. Pi would then be 2 and so is reality isn't it, it is socially defined?

Mathematics is only a tool to try to describe reaity and is not reality itself. So ideally I should calculate using pi to infinite decimal places? But then that would not match reality because circular objects in reality aren't perfect circles. Give me a situation where pi is used to somewhere more than 10 decimal places in reality, not maths which is just a tool, but reality.

I am not doubting that using the idea of a perfect circle is not useful BUT it is not reality.
Raul:

If you honestly believe that all Socially defined things are not "reality", then I suggest you put that belief a test. go rob a bank (but don't hurt anyone), and when you get caught, see if you can convince the judge that the Socially defined penalty for the crime is NOT a reality.

I'm sorry, but some Socially defined things are as "real" as anything can be. They were defined the way they are, because the proof of experience, over the years, has caused them to be defined that way.

Math is NOT ONLY A TOOL, except to non- pure mathematicians. Mathematics may be used by some people as a tool in their attempts to describe/model physical "reality", but to pure mathematicians, Mathematics has a "reality" unto "itself".

Unlike our physical "reality", it is a WELL "defined reality" that is logically proven correct, consistent and interrelated.

Yes, there are some areas of Mathematics that are still in the discovery stage (because some of their concepts have not, as yet, been proven to be true or false and are just mathematical theories/ assumptions, but for the most part, mathematics is well defined, logically consistent and most of its Theorems have been proven to be true. (Again, I remind you, that its "truthfulness has NOTHING to do with "physical reality".)

On a 2 dimensional "flat" surface (something that can NOT exist in the physical reality WE LIVE IN, if Relativity is "true"), the sum of the interior angles of a triangle will always equal 180 degrees, where a degree is always defined as the size of the angle created between two adjacent radii of a circle. whose arc length along the circumference of that circle between those two radii is 1/360th of the circumference of the circle. (And again a "circle, is NOT an object that can exist in our physical "reality, but it DOES EXIST in the "mathematical" "world" of 2 dimensions).

Likewise the sum of the angles in a triangle drawn on the surface of a sphere (another object that can NOT exist in our physical reality) is greater than 180 degrees.

Like most people you confuse Mathematics' main purpose with having something to do with our physical reality. Any such comparison, where that is true, is purely accidental as far as Mathematics is concerned.

Let me illustrate with a story about the difference between a physicist and a mathematician:

There was once a professor of Philosophy who wants to determine what was the difference between the way a physicist thinks and a mathematician, so he devised a test.

In a room he had a table with a glass of water on it and a chair.

He brought the physicist in first and asked him to move the glass of water from the table to the chair and explain why he did what he did.

The physicist moved the glass of water from the table to the chair along a relatively straight line and said, "I have learned that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line." ((( as an aside, that statement may NOT be true in the Universe in which we live, if Space is in fact curved))).

The physicist then left, the glass was replaced on the table and the mathematician was invited in and give the same problem.

He moved the water from the table to the chair along a relatively straight line and said, "I learned in Math that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line."

He left the room and the physicist came back in, with the glass still on the chair.

The philosopher then asked him to move the water from the chair to the floor. The physicist picked it up and lowered it to the floor in a relatively straight linear motion and said the same thing he had said before.

He left, the glass was returned to the chair and the mathematician brought back in and given the same challenge, with the same results.

He left, the glass was put back on the table and the physicist came back in.

He was told to now take the water from the table to the floor and explain.

He picked it up, moved it directly from the table to the floor along a relatively straight line and quoted the same reason.

He left, the glass was replaced on the table and the mathematician was brought back in and given the same challenge.

He said, "That is easy, I already know how to get the glass from the table to the chair and from the chair to the floor". So he picked up the glass, moved it first to the chair and then from there to the floor.

Now, what is the difference?

The physicist works with "models", he used his Math "skills" to make a model for finding a scientific process for moving the glass between any two different points in space and then using that method to solve the last problem.

Whereas, the mathematician took the bigger problem and broke it down into two smaller problems, each of which he already knew how to solve, and used that knowledge to solve the original problem.

Pure mathematicians aren't studying "physical reality" they are studying the various relationships between their mathematical constructs in their "mathematical reality".

If those relationships have anything in common with physical reality, then THAT is for physicists to be concerned with. Pure mathematicians could care less. Physicists take Math classes, so they can learn enough Math to use it in forming their models. Most pure mathematicians don't concern themselves with Physics and physical "reality", they study Math for Math's sake.

When I studied Mathematics, the fact that it was a "reality" unto itself. One that does not change over time, was one of the things that caused it to be attractive to me. (Unlike Science, where "reality" is so uncertain and "scientific explanations are constantly changing.)

In Mathematics, things it deals with are true because its relationships have been "proven" to be logically consistent. (Again, I remind you that Mathematics has a "reality" unto itself and though some of its principals and relationships may be used by other people to try to model the external world, whether or not those attempts to use it for such purposes yields any useful results, that, to a pure mathematician, is totally unimportant.)

In Spherical Geometry, Pi has "exactly" the same mathematical value it has in Euclidean flat plane Geometry. the same mathematical "rules" apply and the same Calculus calculations define it in either system.

Just because something is written in a book, no matter how logical it may "sound", doesn't necessarily make it "a true fact".

Let a = b

now multiply both sides by a

Then a^2 = ab

now subtract b^2 from both sides

Then a^2 - b^2 = ab - b^2

now factor both sides

(a + b) (a - b) = b(a-b)

now divide both sides by (a-b)

Then(a + b) = b

but b = a

Then 2a = a

now divide both sides by a

Then 2 = 1

See what happens when you violate some of the rules in Math?

Rick
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Raul:

I reviewed the two examples you referred to. I immediately see the errors in both examples logic, do you?

Like my last example, they break mathematical rules.

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Old 12-01-2012, 08:31 AM
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Then(a + b) = b

but b = a

Then 2a = a

now divide both sides by a

Then 2 = 1

See what happens when you violate some of the rules in Math?

Rick
If a + b = b

then 'a' must be zero

and apart from the impossibility of multipling or dividing anything by zero, of course 2 zeroes equal *0*.

Mathemeticians make these conceptual mistakes all the time -

just like Einstein did !

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If a + b = b

then 'a' must be zero

and apart from the impossibility of multipling or dividing anything by zero, of course 2 zeroes equal *0*.

Mathemeticians make these conceptual mistakes all the time -

just like Einstein did !

Cheers .......... Graham.
The mistake was NOT in making "a" = 0. It occurred at the step where both sides were divided by (a - b). Since a = b, then (a - b) = 0 and division by 0 is NOT allowed for very good obvious reasons.

So, actually "a" did NOT have to = 0, it could have equaled ANY value originally.

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Old 12-01-2012, 09:44 PM
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Wardenclyffe, The Unknowable

1) Nikola Tesla constructed the Wardenclyffe installation with the intent of establishing a Telluric transmitter site. J.P. Morgain gave 150,000 dollars into this project, expecting a basic Telluric telegraph link between the new and old worlds. Tesla failed to produce this system but instead he spent Morgans money on further experiment. The rest is history.

Nikola Tesla had many fascinating ideas in his mind, and thereby utilized the Wardenclyffe facility for a wide variety of experiments. We will never know the full extent of Tesla's ideas. Hence, in this regard the "Wardenclyffe Idea" is unknowable, like the inside of the sun, or God. Wardenclyffe as an idea is an enigma.

It is a characteristic of the human mind that when looking into the unknowable, the mind forms a projected image of itself upon the edifice of the unknowable. Verily this is a rampant condition on the EG forum. Wardenclyffe is now a myriad of projected phantasies. The Wardenclyffe tower of Babylon.

However, to the experienced transmission engineer the Wardenclyffe transmission station is a basic, engineerable, Telluric transmission system. This is evidenced by the massive Telluric terminal which served as the "roots" of the tower structure transformer. As a transmission engineer I see the ability for commercial, or military application, hence RCA Bolinas. Telluric transmission is an engineerable reality, there is no Art Bell.

The Telluric system as visualized by Nikola Tesla is very basic. Tesla, through various statements, provides most of the important principles necessary to achieve a working system. This system would serve as a sort of Non-Maxwellian transmission medium, for maritime and naval applications.

With the existence of such a system more detailed understanding can be gained through scientific observation. This is what I propose for the Wardenclyffe of today, now ready to be cleaned up and put into Telluric transmission service. Fat chance that will ever happen. I am explaining why on the other EG forum Wardenclyffe channel. These will be my final writings on the EG forum.

It is not in my best interest to provide technical information relating to any project in which I am seeking a commercial, or military, application. To do so is not such a good idea. Further, I have absolutely no interest in providing such information to parties which do not present their findings in a scientific manner. The only scientific work on this subject is that of Dr Green, and a queek calls him a shill. Welcome to the Greyhound Bus depot, Fresno, California. This route ends here.

The "Rite of Passage" into basic Telluric transmission is the Crystal Radio Initiative. The proposition is simple, who can draw the most energy from their local AM broadcast station, free energy as Tesla envisioned. But it is not free for the AM station, your load now appears on their power bill.

Tesla never claimed his Telluric system was a so called free energy development. In fact, his article in Scientific American on the new Van De Graaf generator confirms Tesla's belief in the Law of COnservation as a basic immutable law of nature. So let us dump this idea overboard here and now.

Tesla shows in diagrammatic form, and testifies in COurt that Telluric transmission does not utilize the Earth Ionosphere condenser. We are told of the Earth Ionosphere waveguide, and Schumann Resonance. Not only does this have no meaning in Telluric transmission, the Earth-Ionospher does not even have the proper geometry to support any waveguide mode. This too goes over the side, it can rest with Bin Laden.

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Old 12-01-2012, 10:27 PM
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rickinva,

I don't want to cause an explosion of useless argument but I think you have started to go on a crusade of wasted effort.

Since Heaviside has worded my thoughts better I will quote him on the matter of Mathematics and Physical Science:

"Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?"

"Physics is above mathematics and the slave must be trained to suit the master's convenience" E.M.T. Vol. II, pg 414

"Mathematics is an Experimental Science

That the study of the theory of a physical science should be preceded by some general experimental acquaintance therewith, in order to secure the inimitable advantage of a personal acquaintance with something real and living, will probably be agreed with by most persons. After, however, the general experimental knowledge has been acquired, accompanied with just a sufficient amount of theory to connect it together and render its acquisition easier and more interesting, it becomes possible to consider the theory by itself, as theory. The experimental facts then go out of sight, in a great measure, not because they are unimportant, but because they become subordinate to the theory in a certain sense, and, we might also add, because they are fundamental, and the foundations are always hidden from view in well-constructed buildings." E.M.T Vol. II

In conclusion, Heaviside attained his historical significance by using real life to model his mathematical expressions and NOT the other way around. Mathematics is merely a tool that must be conformed to and judged by the real world where it is applied.

"Heaviside was not only a great mathematician, he was also a great physicist; and it is the knowledge of the the physics of the problems which guided him correctly in may instances to the development of suitable mathematical processes. He concerned himself little with formal proofs or rigorous demonstrations. As he remarked: 'In working out physical problems, there should be, in the first place, no pretense to rigorous formalism. The physics will guide the physicist along somehow to useful and important results, by the constant union of physical and geometrical analytical ideas'.'" L Cohen, Heaviside Electrical Circuit Theory, 1928, pgv

To finish here's a short expose of Heaviside's Electro-Magnetic Theory, given in the Philosophical Magazine,

"Every line of the book is important, and it is full of interesting digressions on all sorts of subjects. Though the converse may not be true, all clever men have a sense of humor, and it is therefore a pity that scientific writers emulate the ponderous dryness of the theologian. Mr. Heaviside's work bristles with humor of a type which he has invented."

REFERENCES:

[1] Ernst Julius Berg - Heaviside Operational Calculus, 1929
[3] Louis Cohen - Heaviside Electrical Circuit Theory, 1928
[3] Sir Oliver Heaviside - Electro-Magnetic Theory Volume II, 1889
[4] H.J. Josephs - Heaviside's Electric Circuit Theory, 1946

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On the subject of earthquakes, this was repeated on the propaganda box earlier and fortunately it's also on youtube

Why Can't We Predict Earthquakes ? (BBC Documentary) - YouTube

The part at 40 minutes 45 seconds in particular is interesting and the guy that follows. By applying pressure to a rock, the rock starts to produce an electrical current. He believes before an earthquake the rocks could be producing thousands of amps.
dR-Green,

There is a paper on the American Marconi Foundation's website regarding this phenomena, which you may find interesting.

I believe the effect to be due to displacement currents produced by changing the permittivity of the rock (via pressure / rupture) and the effective distance between two "boundary conditions", where one value of permittivity abuts or transitions into another[1]. All of this determines the effective electrostatic capacity present. It is essentially a hybrid of parameter variation in the electrical sense but also interspersed with chemical science as well, such as the tribo-electric and piezo-electric effects.



[1] Vladimir Karapatoff describes the junction between two dissimilar permittivities as best though of an infinitely thin conducting plane. Which aids in the calculation of capacitance for situations having layers of dissimilar dielectrics, like air and glass for a loosely spaced HV capacitor.

[1a] Vladimir Karapetoff - The Electric Circuit 2nd Edition, 1912, pg 164
[2] Ernst Julius Berg - Heaviside Operational Calculus, 1929, pg 197

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1) The experimental work of Dr Green highlights some of what has been given here on resonant coils. It is unfortunate that only Dr Green gives us data for study, others just "hide away" their work or yield "multiply".

This is the 'Zealot' who is being referred to above talking to the 'Shredded Messiah'.
I am unable to provide pictures because this medium is weak and lacking and does not allow me to provide what you want.
I am even unable to remove the thumbnails as that provision is now full and cannot be deleted.
Understand the medium chosen before you criticise please.

The pathetic use of 'Smilies' is sufficient indication that nothing serious is going to ferment here unless we focus one another on the true task ahead.
This is modern 'lack of substance' garbage that needs to find the bin.
I don't like this medium.

You have still not answered my questions with respect to 'what we can expect' with firing up the CSI (Crystal Set Initiative) with the 'Tesla Transformer Pulse Generator'?
I would consider the 'NET' and Guillemin to come in here to modify the input pulse such that we obtain the correct IMPULSE.

You are the one that has initiated this effort and would now like to know what the next step is that you have planned please after the power application?

Are you fully aware of how much all of this is costing each individual here with your 'Crystal Set Initiative' - a little humility please as we are not your enslaver.

I am the only one that has built your Vacuum Tube schematics and that is understandable as I am set up for that type of work but would appreciate some more concluding information so that we may progress as I am sure the others here are also interested in those results.

You keep telling me that I have a 'Tandem' TMT operating and I am going to disagree with you on that as I have a 'multiply' Extra coil and NOT your 'divide'.
Why is it that I am able to hear my Extra Coil transmitting from as far away as 20" through the pickup head and headphones and cannot do so with the local AM Station?

Is AM modulation the next step that you would be proposing as I have prepared also for that event?
Is this what the 'Regenerative Magnifying Receiver' (RMR) would be used for - Telluric wireless communication?

You are the Mentor here with responsibilities and we are your students attempting to understand and build your theories as you so freely provide and we in turn are responding in appreciation by doing our best with what you have to offer.

I will do my best to put all my data onto paper and send by mail to you but would first like the above questions answered so that we may continue with focussed experiment on YOUR system.

Thankyou.

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1) The experimental work of Dr Green highlights some of what has been given here on resonant coils. It is unfortunate that only Dr Green gives us data for study, others just "hide away" their work or yield "multiply".

This is the 'Zealot' who is being referred to above talking to the 'Shredded Messiah'.
I am unable to provide pictures because this medium is weak and lacking and does not allow me to provide what you want.
I am even unable to remove the thumbnails as that provision is now full and cannot be deleted.
Understand the medium chosen before you criticise please.

The pathetic use of 'Smilies' is sufficient indication that nothing serious is going to ferment here unless we focus one another on the true task ahead.
This is modern 'lack of substance' garbage that needs to find the bin.
I don't like this medium.

You have still not answered my questions with respect to 'what we can expect' with firing up the CSI (Crystal Set Initiative) with the 'Tesla Transformer Pulse Generator'?
I would consider the 'NET' and Guillemin to come in here to modify the input pulse such that we obtain the correct IMPULSE.

You are the one that has initiated this effort and would now like to know what the next step is that you have planned please after the power application?

Are you fully aware of how much all of this is costing each individual here with your 'Crystal Set Initiative' - a little humility please as we are not your enslaver.

I am the only one that has built your Vacuum Tube schematics and that is understandable as I am set up for that type of work but would appreciate some more concluding information so that we may progress as I am sure the others here are also interested in those results.

You keep telling me that I have a 'Tandem' TMT operating and I am going to disagree with you on that as I have a 'multiply' Extra coil and NOT your 'divide'.
Why is it that I am able to hear my Extra Coil transmitting from as far away as 20" through the pickup head and headphones and cannot do so with the local AM Station?

Is AM modulation the next step that you would be proposing as I have prepared also for that event?
Is this what the 'Regenerative Magnifying Receiver' (RMR) would be used for - Telluric wireless communication?

You are the Mentor here with responsibilities and we are your students attempting to understand and build your theories as you so freely provide and we in turn are responding in appreciation by doing our best with what you have to offer.

I will do my best to put all my data onto paper and send by mail to you but would first like the above questions answered so that we may continue with focussed experiment on YOUR system.

Thankyou.

Smokey
Smokey, while you and I may not agree on some of the technical details and maths here, with this I do agree 100%, posting pics and information is a major PITA! I share loads of technical data and engineering help on other sites that are set-up with a much easier interface. the lack here of this ability takes time to work around it, and frankly i don't have a lot of spare time to do this.

It shorts all involved and Eric from getting the data he wants. not being able to post properly formatted equations is beyond frustrating!

having to host the files and pics on another site and embed a link to them is frustratingly slow. I applaud DrGreens effort in this, I just don't have enough spare time.
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Second attempt - first response went into the wilderness!
I normally do my Posts on Firefox Thunderbird then copy and paste here as I have lost too many Posts as Energetic appears to go on serial holidays.

Madhatter,
Thankyou.
John,
Would you please ask Eric if he can get himself familiar with the Yahoo format at 'n6kph' because the only one benefitting here is dRGreen and that is excellent but everyone else has difficulty in posting pics and diagrams?
I have asked this question before but had no answer.

Nobody has bothered to respond to my question as to whether you could see my last attempt at pasting pics but there again, no answer.

This is NOT the medium we should be using where Eric is limited in Computer skills and Yahoo makes it that much easier for both files and pictures and no 3rd party is involved.

I have asked Aaron for something better but that fell on deaf ears.

Cannot work this way and am now pushing all my information that nobody else appears to be having success with to 'dltorsiondevices' at Yahoo and just made an upload yesterday but will be removing all the old CSI stuff as it was only initial construction detail.

If I don't get a satisfactory conclusion here I may begin my own Yahoo site and this will include ALL my successful builds but the problem is with Eric and what he is used to and we need to get him up the curve whether he likes it or not because he IS the one that is missing out on all the detail.

He has a responsibility to each and everyone of us to continue with HIS incentive as we would ALL like to see a conclusion.

dRGreen,
Excellent effort, keep it up as I don't wish to discredit anybody that is attempting to help Eric.

TechZombie,
Thankyou for making a donation to Eric's cause as I see he failed to thank you for that effort but then we must consider his situation as he hates us all.
Your assessment of his condition was pretty much spot on and wish to thank you for the 'Shredded Messiah' label.

Nothing to do with us Eric, we are simply here trying to help you resolve your theories.

Thomas Henry Moray:
I am most interested in what you have to say with respect to Thomas Henry Moray as that is my other main project ongoing at this time.
This should be a good one for you and Vacuum Tubes and visible 'Energy Synthesis'.

All my information for the Moray project will be going to the Yahoo site as it would be wasted on this lacking medium here.
Notice at Yahoo there are NO sites in memory of TH Moray's work and the simple reason is that most have no experience with Vacuum Tubes other than the Amplifier sect who are only interested in making NOISE!

Smokey
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I want to apologize to everyone for the time and space I wasted in my postings about Pi. Not because I feel what I said was wrong, (I don't and it wasn't), but because no one really cares one way or the other about the points I was trying to make. And in THIS setting, no one should care. Again, I apologize.

But I do have a few questions for Eric, if he would be so kind.

Would you be kind enough to look in page 10 of this thread and look over postings # 284, 285, 286 & 288. And give me any input and help you might be willing to provide?

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Eric,
Excellent Book!
Have managed to pull out in pdfs all the pages pertaining to Magnetrons as several of the sentences, words and illustrations hit home in my current Moray research.
Dynatrons, Negative resistance, Vacuun Tubes type XX (3 of which I have just missed on Ebay and have been in my 'to buy' list for about 3 years).

Illustrations show a split tube, probably Copper, which is the recent organisation/thinking from the Kapanadze camp.

Go here for a read and pull out what you want in single page pdfs:

UHF radio simplified. . - Full View | HathiTrust Digital Library

Going now to pull out the measuring information that Eric has directed us to, some 30 pages.
OK that's done and will now attempt to put all the pdfs into one and will upload when completed if I don't have any problems.

Too big now at about 10Mb to upload anywhere so will give you this beaut little easy-to-use program to compile single page pds into a booklet:

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Just make sure you have the pages in order when you select them all from your folder.

Nothing more on pi from me, don't want to upset the teacher!

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The new secondary is complete, with improved connection terminals and 15% height to diameter ratio. All the 20 SWG wire I had left ended up being literally 5cm too short, so that had to be unwound and was replaced with 2 parallel layers of 24 SWG, which delayed proceedings by 3.5 hours. So no tests done yet, there's one final test to do on the old secondary before it gets moved.



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(Original) Secondary coil with condenser ring as final turn removed:

First resonance peak: 3156 kc
Second resonance peak: Over 5000 kc (signal generator maximum)

The current and potential distribution is the same as 3101 and 4594 kc.
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I noticed a couple things and have some questions and thoughts for you.
what is the frequency your designing for? 3Mhz?
the secondary being wound with 2 parallel wires will have increased inter-turn capacitance.

is the primary a flat coil in cross section?

early on there was a x-cell spreadsheet put out that I heavily modified and shared a couple times, if you have one version of it have you checked the mass & surface area of the coils?

the latest version I have I've included capacitance, inductance, reactance etc on the coils. that helped in getting my coil set parameters close to what I figured would work and the best available based on wire gauge.

It's been awhile since I looked over my build and the calculations. very frustrated that once I got the o-scope the sig gen crapped out.
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The frequency is 3670 kc. The primary is a solenoid, although on the new coil there is no primary and I'll have to use the single turn test coil until I get thicker wire.

Yes I added the parallel wire to get more capacitance and get the conductor spacing down, especially seeing as I didn't have enough of the thicker wire. On the old coil the spacing was 137%, on the new one it's 91.7%. Also old 20% and new 15% height to diameter ratio.

No I didn't get the Excel file, do you have a link? I've made an Excel sheet for all the Theory Of Wireless Power calculations but it doesn't take reactance and mass etc into consideration. Shame about the signal generator.
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Hi guys, I'm Nicola and I'm from Verona. I'm working on a project for clean energy. It would be nice if someone want to contribute or help spreading the word. Thank you very much!
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The frequency is 3670 kc. The primary is a solenoid, although on the new coil there is no primary and I'll have to use the single turn test coil until I get thicker wire.

Yes I added the parallel wire to get more capacitance and get the conductor spacing down, especially seeing as I didn't have enough of the thicker wire. On the old coil the spacing was 137%, on the new one it's 91.7%. Also old 20% and new 15% height to diameter ratio.

No I didn't get the Excel file, do you have a link? I've made an Excel sheet for all the Theory Of Wireless Power calculations but it doesn't take reactance and mass etc into consideration. Shame about the signal generator.
Dr-green, your PM box is full.

I've posted the messy and revised or updated TRTCalc3 excel file on the yahoo groups for eric dollard.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/n6kph/files/

hopefully that link works for you.

a note: this latest one is messy, very messy. It's been a scratch pad of sorts so there is a lot of cells with equations and calcs in them, the tabs along the bottom also contain various equations,complex hyperbolic, Teslas colorado notes, etc..

take some time to look it over and I'm sure some of the non-titled stuff will make some sense. In the center of the first sheet is a small box, in it is dark olive filled cells with white text, that is the start point. those are the editable boxes. the other boxes contain the results of those based on solid or coax cable. the mass, surface area etc.. may need some adjustment, hover over the cells and the pattern will make some sense.

let me know if you have any trouble...
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seems to have gotten quiet..

a question for Eric, what are your thoughts on the use of an Ne lamp at high fq (no bypass cap) and wave guide cavity design to produce a pure electrostatic oscillation?
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0A4G and Moray

0A4G Argon Detector Tube:
Eric has gone into the wilderness again so time to catch up on what he has expounded upon at this IE meeting - it's like having a fleeting relationship with someone!
Eric will only talk about what he wants to and your questions go unanswered if they don't fit his mood.

I keep correcting Eric as the 0A4G is Argon filled and not Neon - has that beautiful violet colour in operation.

However, you need to read into what he is saying as he is brilliant in his field and these people will leave out certain bits that you need to fill in yourself as you will have also discovered with reading Tesla and Leedskalnin and Moray.

With the 0A4G Eric has asked a question at Post 347 on Fig6 - 'What can this circuit do?'
Without mentioning the man's name he is presenting to me certain hints as to the working device of Moray in what that circuit can do is to act as a front end for the Moray device - a Cosmic Ray detector or 'Receptor' and why I built the 'Cosmic Ray Detector' and began asking questions.
Moray began with rather large aerials of length 300' and height of 90' but in the end did not require any antennas at all.
This looks to me to be the front end that does not require an aerial and is cosmically attached or attracted.

Moray's 'The Sea Of Energy In Which The Earth Floats' in Chapter 10 he shows a radio schematic with hand written notes:

Thomas Henry Moray: The Sea of Energy ~ Excerpts of technical factoids & illustrations of the Moray Radiant Energy Receiver

The radio diagram is a 'Silver Marshall' of about 1927 vintage and he is using that to show his 'Moray Valve' which is drawn in at the front end and is shown looking like a diode but without the polarity bar.
The transformers shown are SM 220 221 which are 'Silver Marshall' audio transformers which are noted as being 'true transformers' and investigating that matter now.
The battery voltages shown makes the diagram confusing as you would expect to have no external power applied and that is the true Moray case - no external power!
However, you will observe in the diagram a note that states - 'Note reversed Tube connections of Plate and Grid' and this is on the very first detector Tube a 201A and we then get back to Eric and his very clear and precise directions as to how the Anode and Cathode are reversed in the operation of a 'cold cathode' 0A4G.

Now do you see what it is all about?

What Eric is presenting in this Post is the use of the 0A4G as a front end Cosmic Ray detector tube for a Moray device and attached to a Geiger/Muller Tube as the 'Receptor'.

The Silver Marshall company had a huge manufacturing facility in Chicago, Illinois but unfortunately went to the wall in 1933 like many others in the Depression years.
During the same period there were radios on the market that did not need external power sources and working on that phenomena now and the reason for the Germanium/Bismuth/Iron Sulphide/Molybdenum connection in the hemisphere.

Eric knows too much about this particular area and has studied certain phenomena which I can only suspect he will be working on himself and I feel fortunate in being able to keep up with and understand him even if he is unable to connect with my own Math and theory.
I will need to wait for his mood to change before I will make any headway with him.

Will keep you posted on this as others may want to follow this path with the Vacuum Tubes.

Have certain Tubes coming from the US but will not reveal their identity until after they arrive.

I will now make a bold staement that for Moray to use some 29 Tubes you begin to wonder why and for what reason and it now looks as if they are all mainly 'front end' detectors that are not operating sequentially but as individual Cosmic Ray collectors and individually feed into further, rectifiers, detectors, oscillators and amplifiers before finally outputting into a load.
Moray once having mastered one collector was then able to parallel those into a current amplifying device that eventually was able to supply some 50kW.
Wasn't it Leedskalnin the one that wanted you to 'ring the bell', soo too Eric Dollard.
No TEM here but all LMD waveguides, no heat, always 'cold' and using 30 awg winding wire.

I may be wrong but only time will tell as you will not find anything that is revealed here anywhere on the NET.
Appreciate very much the information that Eric has disclosed here as I am able to build on what he presents.
He mentions 1X2 Tubes which are old TV high voltage rectifier types but also includes 1S2 and many others similar which are capable of some 22Kvolts and I have been collecting these as well as the 1B22 & 1B23 spark gaps as well as other corona types.
Others are 1B3GT/1BC2/1BK2 and these range from 18 to 26Kvolts.
These Tubes are not expensive and should be readily available.

One thing of note here with the Photocells like the 90CG in that they contain emmisive material on the Cathode which is Caesium Oxide on Silver in this case which is a common coating and Caesium/Antimony, Potassium.
What this now indicates is that you have a natural amplifier of more 'cosmic electrons' being radiated from the surface of the material by secondary emission from the radioactive source coating.
Moray did not have these Tubes available to him in his day but are readily available to us today in vintage Tubes.
This is not a well defined area as most manufacturers simply list that the Tube has a 'coated cathode' but doesn't specifically say what that coating is, just as a gas filled Tube does not indicate exactly what gas is being used.
You have to search for this material if you require an answer.
Thanks.

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smokey,
very good points. do you have a copy of the RCA tube design book? it was an internal restricted book on the materials and design of the tubes circa 1940. tons of technical material, it also covers the anode shell and cathode rod as Eric mentions.
I also stumbled upon a GE glowlamp manual from 1965 that's been a great read, lots of useful cross information there. relaxation oscillation circuits, coupling networks and photo conductive circuits.

pure electrostatic longitudinal waves exist in nature, however they are within plasma fields, interaction transits to transverse waves and the drop to C. loads and loads of research has gone into trying to develop a way to signal thru such a medium so as to communicate thru/within the superluminal wave.

Erics work bypasses this and goes directly to generating a longitudinal wave 'cold'.
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New secondary coil characteristics

F = 3670 kc

Diameter = 24.34cm
Height = 3.65cm
Number Of Turns = 17
Conductor Length = 13 metres
Luminal Wavelength = 52 metres

Free (with gradient ring)

Free Space Propagation = 92.2%
Actual Propagation = 68.7%

Free Space Frequency = 5315.844 kc
Luminal Frequency = 5765.557 kc
Actual Frequency = 3961 kc

Self Capacitance = 19.22pF
Burdened Capacitance = 34.63pF
Effective Capacitance for sine quarter wave distribution:
By Steinmetz = 22pF
By Miller = 28pF
Average = 25pF

Self Inductance (Wheeler) = 115.399ÁH
Effective Inductance for cosine quarter wavelength current distribution:
By Steinmetz = 73.465ÁH
By Miller = 57.699ÁH
Average = 65.582ÁH

Characteristic Impedance:
By Steinmetz = 1825.4 Ohms
By Miller = 1433.67 Ohms
Average = 1629.54 Ohms

ω = 24847175.28 Radians/sec
Natural Frequency = 3954.550 kc

Magnification Factor = 52.2931904

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Tuned

Free Space Propagation = 92.2%
Actual Propagation = 63.65%

Free Space Frequency = 5315.844 kc
Luminal Frequency = 5765.557 kc
Actual Frequency = 3670 kc

Self Capacitance = 19.22pF
Burdened Capacitance = 40.34pF
Effective Capacitance for sine quarter wave distribution:
By Steinmetz = 25.68pF
By Miller = 32.7pF
Average = 29.19pF

Self Inductance (Wheeler) = 115.399ÁH
Effective Inductance for cosine quarter wavelength current distribution:
By Steinmetz = 73.465ÁH
By Miller = 57.699ÁH
Average = 65.582ÁH

Characteristic Impedance:
By Steinmetz = 1691.3 Ohms
By Miller = 1328.34 Ohms
Average = 1509.82 Ohms

ω = 23021745.34 Radians/sec
Natural Frequency = 3664.024 kc

Magnification Factor = 67.82730835
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Hi Smokey,

Surely thoriated tungsten filament tubes were available to Moray, and I would not be surprised if his work with same led to them being replaced by supposedly more efficient and much larger indirectly heated cathode types ?

Would this not be why he had them reverse connected - to accelerate charge from anode to cathode, and then collect electrons bombarded out of the thorium in the filament via grid potential oscillating circuitry ?
This method generates little excess power, hence many needed; it also generates radiation from the thorium !

What was the OA4G cathode material ?

Cheers .......... Graham.
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this work with zero anode voltage

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1) This moment is my final contact on the internem. My operating position in prison planet is no more, but the important glom mission here is complete. Much material has been gathered for the construction of a new Telluric receiving station, but no 1000 acre antenna farm yet has been found, if it even ever will be found. An independent party (jpolakow) is beginning the transmitter construction for a Cosmic Inductorium. I can provide little more information on this subject, I have already given out more than enough.

2) I had hoped this final interval on the EG forum would have led to an interesting discussion and/or display of information. This is why I started up on the ray cathode ideas, and the question regarding this asked of me. Instead, someone who talks to fairies exclaims an amazing discovery, Pi equals 0! It is a bottomless pit.

3) The response I just received on my recent posting on the "Wardenclyffe, true intention" is very revealing as to the uselessness here. I see how the concocted phantasies and messages from the fairies overwhelms useful material. "Hobby Eon" and "Tesla Secrets" really win the prize for twisting and distorting the notions of Tesla. Free energy is sought with the same fervor as a sailor hunting for a "piece of ass", truly pathetic. Verily they are shills. Lust for "free" energy secrets.

Such a fantastic phantasy has been propped up in the name of Tesla, and Wardenclyffe has become a depository for disinformation, there is no turning back now. Any functional information is a threat to the Hobby Queek, he is ignorant and thereby insists that all others must be ignorant like him. A bottom feeder can only see into the mud. Even Tesla himself would be denounced by the Hobby Queek, viciously so. These are immutable characteristics of the "Human Element". Soon the entire human race will destroy itself in a final war, VERY soon. It will be glorious, Armageddon now.

3) My final writing here will be in broadcast form. Those who actually produce know how to continue to communicate with me. I will finish my writings on "Wardenclyffe" describing the force against this site going straight back to Tesla. It is important for the inquiring mind to know what really blocks Tesla's work and why. One always seeks a logical motive in the study of a criminal act. It is unfortunate the EG forum serves as an element of this malevolent effort..

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Finale

1) This moment is my final contact on the internem. My operating position in prison planet is no more, but the important glom mission here is complete. Much material has been gathered for the construction of a new Telluric receiving station, but no 1000 acre antenna farm yet has been found, if it even ever will be found. An independent party (jpolakow) is beginning the transmitter construction for a Cosmic Inductorium. I can provide little more information on this subject, I have already given out more than enough.

2) I had hoped this final interval on the EG forum would have led to an interesting discussion and/or display of information. This is why I started up on the ray cathode ideas, and the question regarding this asked of me. Instead, someone who talks to fairies exclaims an amazing discovery, Pi equals 0! It is a bottomless pit.

3) The response I just received on my recent posting on the "Wardenclyffe, true intention" is very revealing as to the uselessness here. I see how the concocted phantasies and messages from the fairies overwhelms useful material. "Hobby Eon" and "Tesla Secrets" really win the prize for twisting and distorting the notions of Tesla. Free energy is sought with the same fervor as a sailor hunting for a "piece of ass", truly pathetic. Verily they are shills. Lust for "free" energy secrets.

Such a fantastic phantasy has been propped up in the name of Tesla, and Wardenclyffe has become a depository for disinformation, there is no turning back now. Any functional information is a threat to the Hobby Queek, he is ignorant and thereby insists that all others must be ignorant like him. A bottom feeder can only see into the mud. Even Tesla himself would be denounced by the Hobby Queek, viciously so. These are immutable characteristics of the "Human Element". Soon the entire human race will destroy itself in a final war, VERY soon. It will be glorious, Armageddon now.

3) My final writing here will be in broadcast form. Those who actually produce know how to continue to communicate with me. I will finish my writings on "Wardenclyffe" describing the force against this site going straight back to Tesla. It is important for the inquiring mind to know what really blocks Tesla's work and why. One always seeks a logical motive in the study of a criminal act. It is unfortunate the EG forum serves as an element of this malevolent effort..

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Hi Smokey,

Surely thoriated tungsten filament tubes were available to Moray, and I would not be surprised if his work with same led to them being replaced by supposedly more efficient and much larger indirectly heated cathode types ?

Would this not be why he had them reverse connected - to accelerate charge from anode to cathode, and then collect electrons bombarded out of the thorium in the filament via grid potential oscillating circuitry ?
This method generates little excess power, hence many needed; it also generates radiation from the thorium !

What was the OA4G cathode material ?

Cheers .......... Graham.
according to the RCA internal book I have the cathodes were a barium carbonate oxide coating or barium-strontium on nickle.
filaments are thoriated tungsten.
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I think we missed the forest for the trees.

going back over the posts and schematics that Eric has supplied I noticed some things that I couldn't fit, it was the 'test button' that triggered the 'oh crap' moment.
CW, couple of puzzle pieces, Eric is an OM XMTR WID RTTY. decode that and it makes sense.

I'd normally just spell it out, but if Eric saw fit to hide the code then I'm not going to spoil the hunt for others. Possibly a filter test.

putting all the schematics together and you'll see the layout in order to build the receptive unit to communicate further with Eric.

now to getting the missing parts and learning a new language.

smokey, no offense buddy but your AGE is probably most helpful here. any background with CW MC?

On a slightly different note, the RCA construction book covers the transmitting tube and it's design construction that parallels Erics CRT. not an accident I think, Eric is well versed in tube design as based on his schematics and probably his time spent with Farnsworth technology. I don't recall where I got the book copy from but it's full of very useful information, the section on space charge is esp useful to Erics latest schematics on the cathode ray.

can't let this wither away...
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1) This moment is my final contact on the internem. My operating position in prison planet is no more, but the important glom mission here is complete. Much material has been gathered for the construction of a new Telluric receiving station, but no 1000 acre antenna farm yet has been found, if it even ever will be found. An independent party (jpolakow) is beginning the transmitter construction for a Cosmic Inductorium. I can provide little more information on this subject, I have already given out more than enough.

2) I had hoped this final interval on the EG forum would have led to an interesting discussion and/or display of information. This is why I started up on the ray cathode ideas, and the question regarding this asked of me. Instead, someone who talks to fairies exclaims an amazing discovery, Pi equals 0! It is a bottomless pit.

3) The response I just received on my recent posting on the "Wardenclyffe, true intention" is very revealing as to the uselessness here. I see how the concocted phantasies and messages from the fairies overwhelms useful material. "Hobby Eon" and "Tesla Secrets" really win the prize for twisting and distorting the notions of Tesla. Free energy is sought with the same fervor as a sailor hunting for a "piece of ass", truly pathetic. Verily they are shills. Lust for "free" energy secrets.

Such a fantastic phantasy has been propped up in the name of Tesla, and Wardenclyffe has become a depository for disinformation, there is no turning back now. Any functional information is a threat to the Hobby Queek, he is ignorant and thereby insists that all others must be ignorant like him. A bottom feeder can only see into the mud. Even Tesla himself would be denounced by the Hobby Queek, viciously so. These are immutable characteristics of the "Human Element". Soon the entire human race will destroy itself in a final war, VERY soon. It will be glorious, Armageddon now.

3) My final writing here will be in broadcast form. Those who actually produce know how to continue to communicate with me. I will finish my writings on "Wardenclyffe" describing the force against this site going straight back to Tesla. It is important for the inquiring mind to know what really blocks Tesla's work and why. One always seeks a logical motive in the study of a criminal act. It is unfortunate the EG forum serves as an element of this malevolent effort..

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Quick distraction

Sorry guys,

I have a weak talent for the electrical field, but hold a very strong respect for the research here.

Anyways, I caught:

Tesla Round 2, The Mission of Eric Dollard | Indiegogo

And was wondering if there was any proof that Eric is still about, and that this money will find its way to him for his research. There is no private video or pictures showing that Eric and this project have any connection at all.

I mean no disrespect; but if it's someone using his name for fraud, I would like to follow up on dismantling this; otherwise would like to take part in spreading publicity to this fund project.

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