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Really? That seems to easy. So just like 12" away so the meter leads can reach?
It's that simple, ideally you'd want to measure 3' away from your earth ground rod. you'll find that in most cases without doped soil the readings will be very high for what we really want, even only a foot away. There was discussion on soil conductivity and resistance a couple months back, a buried mesh grid of copper is probably best for small area's where radial ground antennae are not possible.

Eric was very fortunate to be working on the buried ground system on the coast where conductivity is higher. I had a thought, I'm on the coast myself and at some point will go out on the boat and use the sea as a ground, should be interesting.
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This is to say, no time lag may exist in a primary propagation, it can only be instantaneous. Einstein is calling 911!!
Thank you Eric for this information, it supports the idea of a 6000 year old Earth as stated in the Bible.

About the only claim that is difficult to resolve for me concerning the idea that the Earth and the universe is "billions" of years old is the idea that light takes millions of years to get here from stars. I suspected that the light from distant stars are seen instantaneously - since that would follow what the Bible says.

A billion or even million year old Earth is a ridiculous idea. No real support for this from my research.
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Thank you Eric for this information, it supports the idea of a 6000 year old Earth as stated in the Bible.

About the only claim that is difficult to resolve for me concerning the idea that the Earth and the universe is "billions" of years old is the idea that light takes millions of years to get here from stars. I suspected that the light from distant stars are seen instantaneously - since that would follow what the Bible says.

A billion or even million year old Earth is a ridiculous idea. No real support for this from my research.
It's not going to confirm that idea, ES or electrostatic waves travel faster than EM waves. ES waves are time invariant, the transition to EM waves then starts the 'clock' so to speak. where that occurs will be hotly debated.

As to the age of the planet, I suggest looking into the data on ice cores. As to what's beyond our solar system, current physics is only reliable to the Jovian system on a macro scale, as to beyond the heliosphere ?????
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Thank you Eric for this information, it supports the idea of a 6000 year old Earth as stated in the Bible.

Where in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old? It doesn't.

About the only claim that is difficult to resolve for me concerning the idea that the Earth and the universe is "billions" of years old is the idea that light takes millions of years to get here from stars. I suspected that the light from distant stars are seen instantaneously - since that would follow what the Bible says.

Where in the bible does it say that light from distant stars arrive here instantly? It doesn't and you suspected wrongly.

A billion or even million year old Earth is a ridiculous idea. No real support for this from my research.

My only advise to you is to continue researching, the truth is plainly visible for all to see.

Do you believe our creator uses mathematics and physics to confuse the masses and to test our faith so that he can condemn us to an eternity of misery for using our brains?
The brains he gave us?

Maybe your god does. First it was thou shalt not kill. 40 years of misery in the desert later it was enter the promised land and kill every man, woman, and child. One of hundreds of contradictions in a book you claim to be the only source of real truth.

So, does the fact that humanoid footprints were found side by side with dino tracks in the paluxy river in texas mean dinos walked with us 6000 years ago? My research shows that to be a big no go as well.

Is this forum the proper place for proselytizing? I hope not.
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Hi Eric:
Attached is the latest test result. Moved test coil 46 cm below bottom of secondary in order to get peak reading on the meter at 100 uA. Magnification was 89.17% as determined by your suggested method.
For the following discussion I made no chart but have taken data. While the can was still at 8 cm from top of secondary, I disconnected the meter and top of secondary coil from the top ring and connected the meter to the secondary.
The frequency increased to 1347.5 Kcs (capacity decreased) and magnification reduced to 66%.
I then repeated these two tests with the can at 20.5 cm above the secondary. While meter and top of secondary connected to the top ring I measured 1181.0 Kcs max frequency with 80.1% magnification. Next I connected the meter only to top of secondary coil and measured 1328.8 Kcs max frequency and 55.8% magnification.
In both cases, i.e. can at 8 cm and 20.5 cm, respectively, , capacity decreases, frequency increases and the magnification also decreases. Based on this the should I increase the capacity? I can try to reduce the 12 mm distance between the two copper rings to let say 1 mm. Currently I use 1/4" dia copper tubes for both the end ring and the upper ring.

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Thank you Eric for this information, it supports the idea of a 6000 year old Earth as stated in the Bible.

Where in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old? It doesn't.

About the only claim that is difficult to resolve for me concerning the idea that the Earth and the universe is "billions" of years old is the idea that light takes millions of years to get here from stars. I suspected that the light from distant stars are seen instantaneously - since that would follow what the Bible says.

Where in the bible does it say that light from distant stars arrive here instantly? It doesn't and you suspected wrongly.

A billion or even million year old Earth is a ridiculous idea. No real support for this from my research.

My only advise to you is to continue researching, the truth is plainly visible for all to see.

Do you believe our creator uses mathematics and physics to confuse the masses and to test our faith so that he can condemn us to an eternity of misery for using our brains? The brains he gave us?

Maybe your god does. First it was thou shalt not kill. 40 years of misery in the desert later it was enter the promised land and kill every man, woman, and child. One of hundreds of contradictions in a book you claim to be the only source of real truth.

So, does the fact that humanoid footprints were found side by side with dino tracks in the paluxy river in texas mean dinos walked with us 6000 years ago? My research shows that to be a big no go as well.

Is this forum the proper place for proselytizing? I hope not.
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I swing both ways. Or no ways. Too many ways to swing I have my ideas.

To many assumptions, but you asked.
Ice Cores and the Age of the Earth

Needless to say it seems everyone is wrong. The one thing we as humans cant do is keep our story straight. But I do see this as related.

The age of the universe and distance of stars is based on light and we (well mostly you all) are working on how light works.

How does Red Shift fit in here?

Is space even uniform and does light travel at the same speed outside our solar system how about outside our Galaxy? Where does our pond meet the galactic atmosphere? Where does the galactic pond meet the universal atmosphere?

I also see photosynthesis related here as well as it is natures TRT.

How about Rods and Cones not quite a TRT but one hell of a detector.

Are there any other natural TRTs out there?
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It's not going to confirm that idea, ES or electrostatic waves travel faster than EM waves. ES waves are time invariant, the transition to EM waves then starts the 'clock' so to speak. where that occurs will be hotly debated.

As to the age of the planet, I suggest looking into the data on ice cores. As to what's beyond our solar system, current physics is only reliable to the Jovian system on a macro scale, as to beyond the heliosphere ?????
My point of reference for truth is first the Bible and then man's interpretations of "facts". When in doubt, the Bible gets the benefit of the doubt and not some man's idea.

Ice cores prove nothing but that ice melts and it freezes.

I have looked deeply into these things and not to get too far off topic - if you wish to see more on "ice cores proving an old earth", look at this.

Ice Core Rings - YouTube
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Where in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old? It doesn't.

Have you ever read the Bible? What do you think all those long X begats Y were for? Put them together and they give you a definitive time line to the flood and beyond. Add it all up and you get about 6000 years.



http://www.creation-science-prophecy.com/timeline5.pdf

Maybe your god does. First it was thou shalt not kill. 40 years of misery in the desert later it was enter the promised land and kill every man, woman, and child. One of hundreds of contradictions in a book you claim to be the only source of real truth.

From the first time man transgressed God's law, ALL men deserved death since the penalty of sin is death. God would have been justified to kill everyone yet he choose not to. The very fact that anyone is allowed to live in itself is proof of God's mercy and love. There are no contradictions in the Bible only lack of understanding because the human heart loves evil and will bend every way possible to justify it. How can a wicked heart judge love and truth? It can't.

So, does the fact that humanoid footprints were found side by side with dino tracks in the paluxy river in texas mean dinos walked with us 6000 years ago? My research shows that to be a big no go as well.

No actually that would be about 4400 years ago since practically all fossils come from the Flood and so did those footprints. If you have one footprint over another, a man's over a dinosaur.... well what other sensible conclusion could there be? You don't believe it because you choose not to.

I don't wish to go too far off topic, feel free to message me if you want to discuss this further. I'm willing to talk if you really want answers.
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No thanks, but it was nice of you to ask.
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Transfer images from Excel

Based on couple of your helpful forum members' input this is how I managed to transfer from Excel. It is still cumbersome but doable.
1. Mark section of Excel (for instance the graph part) to "copy".
2. Bring up "Paint" and paste the section copied from Excel onto it.
3. Save the file in "Paint" as jpg picture.
4. Bring up "Pictures - library" and type in file name (with the jpg extension).
5. Upload file to Imageshack and mark "share it".
6. Drag from Imageshack "Full size" "Forum" into the forum's reply section.
It looks like a lots of effort but it works. The trick is that you must work with two open windows most of the time, therefore, I reduce both windows so I can see both and transfer, paste, upload and drag as required.Thank you all.
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I see many people have struggled with the electrostatic theory of primary sources of rays from suns, and a secondary kind of ray that is produced by the primary electrostatic interaction with period elements in the mass of atmosphere, or planets. Indeed, this is what is involved in refractive and reflective properties classified by science. This is not a new idea.

I believe that if people understood how light was produced.

1) By lines of force, or magnetic current in a running wire, where the mass is reduced, or rather, the current is impeded from traveling through, this causes heat in the wire, and the wire glows, until a bright light is produced from it.

2) By chemical reaction in a match or a fire, two or more periodic elements, with orbiting magnets (or fictional electrons ha ha), asymtotically are able to release their magnets at high speed, these individual magnets by which lines of force comprise are converted into light, by the acceleration of "electrons" leaving the periodic elements at high speed, the "combustive" properties of fire and electricity and the spark can be considered periodically identical in the process. A fire will last as long as it has periodic elements in the same way a battery will last as long as it has metal on one side of it in the same way the sun will last.

e.g. by lines of force magnets can be constricted to produce light from a high resistance obstruction such as a light bulb filament. You can prove it is the obstruction that causes light in the wire the same way as the light bulb by increasing the size of your electrical wire, you will see it was obstruction of the energy running in the wire that caused the light in the same way as the suns energy passing through the atmosphere does.

3) The sun produces primary rays by a periodic element exchange in the same was as I and II, except that it is much more efficient than any electrical system that exists on "planet ignorant". In the case of the sun, instead of a few individual magnets like in a wire, or a fire being produced, many millions of metric tonnes of magnets , that were orbiting around a magnetic field of the entire sun, much like an ocean - are released with great innertia. One can conclude that something about the periodic element exchange caused "fictional electrons", or rather north and south pole primary forces to be violently ejected from the suns surface. Perhaps a varying magnetic field in the core , from the periodic reaction of sufficient intensity and alternation is capable of causing these huge ejections. What else would? "Light"? No. It's inductive just like eric Dollard suggests. Ironically, if peoples way of thinking was inductive, instead of inventive, they would have noticed that it is an electrostatic induction that is making up the primary alternating currents which are capable of creating light.

In short I have spelled out to you that a fire, a sun, and an electrical current are capable of producing light. Not only that, they are only capable of producing a light from a high resistance, or an obstruction impeding a running current, given that only "non vacuum" mass is capable of forming an obstruction to the flow of telluric rays from the sun, a different kind of rays is readily observable in the atmosphere.

Many would have noticed that even direct current produces an alternating current light source. Why? Indeed, why does a battery release "electrons" from dissolving two metals in acid? It is a periodic element exchange which facilitates matter on one end being broken apart into peices , and the other end is built up. This cathode annode relationship is quite important. In the same way that the sun is in a state of deconstruction (yes, it is), the earth is in a state of construction. This point should not be glossed over. The earth and the sun are like a giant anode and cathode of a battery.

If people asked themselves obvious questions instead of inventing new fictions. They could see, in the same way that one terminal in a battery is having it's mass periodically removed by acid breakdown periodic reaction and causing the weak magnetic force that held it together to go elsewhere. In the same way that the suns emision of primary telluric wave causes the energy that was once mass-only. To be converted into an energetic and kinetic electrostatic wave of some form. The key to understanding is recognising that the mass of the sun is decreasing, whilst the mass of the earth is increasing. Why is that? In the same way the battery is breaking apart the mass , and the orbiting individual magnets, and channeling their orbit into a wire to create light. The sun is breaking apart it's mass, causing much magnetic energy to be released, the magnetic poles on the sun were not there until it started breaking apart it's mass in great quantity. In the same way that the north and south pole is easily derivable from the battery, we can see that to convert this periodic energy into something else, each time we must break apart the mass.

In transformers and generators that do not break apart the mass directly to produce the magnets. They burn a fossil fuel, which is carbon held together by the magnetic force. They cannot avoid the magnetic force to create their energy. They will have to break matter apart, with batteries, with furnaces, and even with their nuclear power plants. That is because energy is derived from periodic elements exchanging their energy from an weak-force magnetic, into a high potential magnetic force. Such as the weak magnetic forces capable of generating the heat and light periodically in the furnace, are capable of generating large magnetic fields in a electrical generator which consists of magnet north and south pole running around a circle against a wire at 90. creating those so called fictional electrons.
Or rather proving that even non direct generators (e.g. battery) that combust materials such as coal, or even atomic power, they must create magnetic forces and obstructions for those orbiting magnets that are released at high velocity, and in each case, a magnetic force must always be used to derive it, in the case of metal conductors they already consist of altering ratios of magnets, that is why they can conduct differently. In the same way that magnet pole must be used in the turbines in both the nulcear power station and the coal, you will see huge field magnets and coils.

Or rather, all of that heat energy can exist as mechanical energy, and of magnetic energy. Just like the periodic elements.

It actually amazes me that people do not see things this way.

(contd) as the periodic reaction of oxygen and carbon ensures in the burning charcoal, great heat is produced, and light, by the obstructing atmosphere around it. If one could remove the atmosphere around the fire whilst it was simultaneously burning he would see that it was not oxygen or the mass that keeps it alight, but the cumulative acceleration of a propagating magnetic orbit of atoms which are deconstructing their links at great speed, and then bringing other atoms of the carbon and other elements that are used in turn to excite and liberate the fictional electrons from their slumber.

Essentially there is a great deal of kinetic energy sitting in slumber in any lumber. There is a great deal of derived magnetic energy sitting above any coal fire. You can tap the heat with your turbine and dynamo like system, the problem is that the only way to derive energy is to use a north and south pole. I do not know any generator or transformer that can get around and produce those fictional electrons without the north and south pole.

What does that say to you? Any idiot such as I can point out holes in Electrical and Physical theory that is substituted as reality today, defended to the hells, and adopted through all myriad of technology development, by sticking to some of the plane facts about HOW ELECTRICITY is derived, indeed, how the light is derived, and indeed, how ALL ENERGY is periodic in it's nature. Thus, in the same way radiation is emitted from radioactive elements, a fire of great strength such as a meteor is equally capable of doing so. After all it was not a radioactive source that creates the radiation but a very high density of magnetic lines of force being forced into a material at a great speed.

Unfortunately scientists have abused this force, and suppressed a proper understanding so that humanity might liberate ones self. All because they saw what the magnetic force was capable of.

This in my mind should be considered one of the same to the electrolyte theories of C. P Steinmetz.. how all the energy and electricity was chemically derived. You can't get away from this truth when looking at a D.C battery, or the fact that the weak magnetic force that held the iron together is resulting in a running current that is periodically produced in conjunction with the acid and the "attractive force" of the second terminal metal.

Attractive force? But they are just electrons (Oh please shutup!)

In the case of electrical transformers one thinks that they have got away from magnets being released from their mass, but the physicists are plugging their equipment into a wall. The Eric Dollards and Heaviside's of the electrical production industry are marching full steam ahead with their furnaces, producing all that light, all that heat, and using that to throw their little magnet wheels around. So whilst the physicist points to his power supply that consists of electrons, which is supposedly nothing to do with magnetic orbits of any kind, or the periodic elements by which these supposed-electrons go down, They point to the centre of the wire as if that was how their electrons were propogating. The problem is if they were electrons, then they would not run on the outside of the wire. Yet this is all we find in this so called electron technology.

I am working on some apparatus that can send the same magnets down the middle of an iron bar, and I think you would be interested to know that it does not run the same as it would have on the outside or lengthways. Indeed, centrifugal force appears to be at work with these electrons, and if so, as Steinmetz rightly pointed out, this is a chemical process that can be seen burdening the wire as soon as it exceeds it's rated output potential.

If it is not simple. I dare not believe it. We invent terms like "it's the heat thats buring the wire" it's the "massive current". What is the current? Where does it come from. In the battery, in the coal station, in the nuclear power plant.

Spinning magnets. Funny that. Not an electron in site. AT the very least this means electrons are created by magnetic orbits, periodically, chemically, physically electrically and biologically.

Afterall there would not be much energy in the wood had it not formed it's bonds the way it had, or the fossil fuels.

So , physicists can keep on running their cars on their magnetic sunlight-derived fuels for-evermore, and they can use the combustive release of that magnetic force the sun deposited in the fossil wood that they are burning. This is why all fuels eventually disappear, because they have been converted into something else. Nobody bothers to realise this is the reverse of The same way that the plant and tree that made it's energy and bonds to start with, by converting the light through it's photosynthesis process into matter. The car simply reverses it, in the most barbaric manner imaginable. Had they realised that magnetic orbits, via pressure, and density were responsible for all of the other secondary forces and processes. Had they looked at the methods they generated electricity, it would be hard to avoid that magnetically derived periodic energy is the base of matter structure, responsible for releasing those electrons, and making them available.
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For being somebody who has "seen the light", that sure was a condescending, dick-ish remark. Please show some respect.

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Derived Orbital Energy

Derived magnetic energy is basically simple, but people would prefer to argue about fictions they have no substantiated grounds or methods to prove. I believe my methods can be tested, and I believe that this is the difference between a holistic inductive approach and an imaginative inventive approach.

Dollard is right, if Einstein wasn't dialing 911 before. He is now. I have written a much longer piece that simplifies this more generally, and admittedly will have many less basic mistakes. I am no engineer, I am no scientist. I freely admit that. I do not think others can go on pretending that they are when they cannot even realise what it is running in their electrical wires. For, if it was electrons running in their fancy wires, then what influence would the planets and the suns rays have on it? If they were magnetic currents and flows with an angle of rotation of about 15 degrees, running around the outside of the propagation media, then we could expect the sun and the planets minor north and south pole field fluctuations based on the distance and angle of those bodies to affect the voltage in the line, by magnetic orbit interference. This is without a doubt something that Nikola TEsla and Edward Leedskalnin both considered themselves experts in.

The unfortunate thing for scientists and those that want to do "serious work" in this field, is that Leedskalni claimed he understood the secrets of the "pyramid builders". Mystic Mahem ensues? Perhaps. This is not a new claim though, Tesla pre 1945 said something quite similar the "Ere many generations" quote is a truly marvelous thing to behold. I got this far by taking Tesla on his word. Dollard has done the same, except that he is actually an engineer who has experimented tested and replicated many of these devices, the rotary electrostatic transformer particularly comes to mind. RIP Chris Carson. I have a feeling he is missed by many - the first time I heard him talk was at SBARC and I do not take his claim about electricity vortexing in and vortexing out at first.


Although the above message may be unclear and littered with mistakes, I do believe you will find truths that you will be able to pick out of great value, and had I more time to make my claims more wooden headed and fictional, by suppressing my mental opinion, then perhaps it would be easier to deal with.

Unfortunately I am not very wooden headed, I have no desire for money. So what you are getting from me is quite different than what you would of got from someone who was afraid to be wrong. They are a many. Too many are afraid to describe the electron as a secondary force. This results in the erroneous conclusion that the light from the sun must be primary, due to electricities ability to create the light. Had they realised that electrons were not creating the light, but some orbiting magnetic fields were responsible they would not be as eager to call the light primary, because in that scenario it would at the very least be a secondary, possibly even tertiary force.

Lets see, chemically derived magnetic orbits in battery - > electrical current orbiting transformer -> alternating light appearing on terminal contacts.

I have also noted that the spark gap is magnetic in it's nature. Everything that generates electricity, and has the potential for creating light, consists of lines of force. Just like Eric says.

Although my work can't be compared to Eric's I would like to thank him one last time for responding with his view on this subject. I maintain my initial thoughts about the propogation speeds in a vacuum of primary electrostatic energy, I retain the conclusion that only obstructions to magnetic current cause light. ONLY obstructions to magnetic current cause light.

It's why space is black. Children would get this, but adults have had at least 10 years of exposure to mainstream theory. Since I was 16 I had my doubts, I am 28 now, It has taken me almost 10 years to unlearn it, until I could unfool myself. The electron stuff was a nightmare. If we only realised all derived current, OF ANY KIND was an orbiting field, we would be able to extend the chemical periodic orbiting field of a battery to that of a larger framework orbit by millions of times in radius , of the regular orbit of the chemical itself. PI/2 *C Anybody?

You will notice, that magnets, they want to continue orbiting. Eric has had experience when this has happened, he won't describe it like I have. I think Eric knows what I am talking about. It's impossible to stop.

Ever been working at an industrial plant and one of your engines decides to go runaway? Ever pulled the plug, then suddenly goes real cold and then wondered why it appears to continue accelerating? That is some scary stuff that ends badly in some workshops, it is not a new scenario. As Eric Dollard rightly points out, the old western radar that were produced just after world war II would continue running for quite some time when turned off.

Eric's little device on his car, that keeps running too. These devices all work the same way keeping orbiting magnets running around. This is a reason for the earth spinning, because it is being hit more often in the east. This is a periodic reaction. how about that? As long as they don't escape, your device will continue oscillating indefinitely in the same way that atoms do on a small level. So, to make use of these orbiting magnets really, you need something like the Alexanderson Alternator or the Multiple Loaded Flat Top Antennae employed at the old Bolinas site, the individual magnetic orbits will have to be in great number to be of any use.

Hence, multiple loaded in my opinion. All of Steinmetz work in cumulative oscillations points DIRECTLY at this, adding orbiting magnets in an aerial ground system, that basically over time compress into an asymptotically growing number of impulses per space, per time, resulting in densities much greater than any laser ever built. Play a note on a piano, play it 10 times a second, 100 times a second, 10000 times a second. Note that each time you played that "String" it had a fixed amplitude, so pressing it 10000 times a second has 9999 times more kinetic energy running through the wire at a time. If this was a field magnet spinning against a coil at high speed, lets say 10,000 rpm, then you get 9999 more amount of energy (in impulses) than you would have at 1rpm. This is akin to saying that energy can be concentrated and magnified along a single line column, however, the timing is hideously important, otherwise all of those impulses envelopes collide with eachother and it is not a pretty sound. You want perfect superposition with each impulse. Tesla and Dollard are geniuses, they have found ways to create the variation mechanically and electrically, and importantly had found a way so that the rotating orbiting magnets, have a capacitor system that carefully times the ratio's of potential indefinitely to the tuning of the order of perfect superpositional oscillations. This is the second order of tuning in oscillating current in my mind.

Tesla was very far ahead in his time, since superposition was not really dealt with for at least 50 years after his discoveries.

sorry to waffle on. This could be distracting I suppose. This isn't though:

"The discovery of the stationary terrestrial waves [indicates] that despite its vast extent, the entire planet can be thrown into resonant vibration like a little tuning fork; that electrical oscillations suited to its physical properites and dimensions pass through it unimpeded, in strict obedience to a single mathematical law, has proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that the earth, considered as a channel for conveying electrical energy is infinitely superior to a wire or cable" - Nikola Tesla "Tuned Lightening 1907"




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Although my work can't be compared to Eric's I would like to thank him one last time for responding with his view on this subject. I maintain my initial thoughts about the propogation speeds in a vacuum of primary electrostatic energy, I retain the conclusion that only obstructions to magnetic current cause light. ONLY obstructions to magnetic current cause light.

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Pulsars are fascinating, the beacon of light emitted is due to the electrostatic wave traveling faster than C impacting a region of electro-magnetic fields, this results in the ES wave translating into a coherent photon beam of an EM nature. The translation is an energy release in current theory. The ES wave has no velocity as it's time invariant, this can be hard for many to grasp let alone modern taught people.
a similar effect is cherenkov radiation.

Here's the rub, removing relativity opens pandoras box. The 1927 Solvay conference was the start of why we are where we are now. We should really start a different thread for this topic.

There is loads of good technical information about this and would benefit a lot people here trying to understand what Eric is doing and why. The CRI is an excellent starting point for simple hands on proof, where you go from there?
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Hi Eric:
Attached is the result from the latest test. Space between condenser rings were reduced to approximately 1 mm. Magnification factor is up just over 100. Any practical suggestions on how to improve on the magnification factor?



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1) Dr Green #685
Extra Coil:
Direct = 2690 Kc/sec
10 pFd = 2830 Kc/sec

Dr Green #712
Secondary Coil:
Free = 4125 Kc/sec
Rings = 3670 Kc/sec

Dr Green #790

Concatenated Coils:
First Peak Resonance: 3670 Kc/sec
Second Peak Resonance: 2344 Kc/sec
Extra Coil Luminal Frequency: 2310 Kc/sec

2) Conclusions on Dr Green Setup:
Two modes of resonance exist, the first is the longitudinal, the second is the transverse. For the first the extra coil input is inductive and thus subtracts from the ring capacitance. For the second mode the extra coil is capacitive and adds to the ring capacitance. The potential meter here is measuring the secondary potential. In the second mode the rings and extra coil all are one terminal capacity so the secondary acts with this as a somewhat lumped LC circuit. In the first mode it is a pair of coupled transmission lines so the magnification factor drops because of travelling waves, and additional losses. Next test is now to measure the potential of the high end of the extra coil and graph the peaks. This is important.

3) If everyones graph gave in a footnote the following data,
Luminal Frequency
Actual Frequency
Magnification Factor

It would make things more understandable. Also coil dimensions and number of turns should be given with graphs. It is confusing to search prior posts. A compendium of coil projects needs to be made also.

The luminal frequency in C.P.S. given by dividing four times the wire length in meters into the velocity of light in meters per second.

The Free Space frequency is given by multiplying the luminal frequency by the velocity factor in the Wireless Power table, such as 187% for 1:1 coils, and, 100% for a coil 18% height to width, etc.

Finally given is the actual measured frequency.

4) Considering the pair of resonant frequencies shown:
Higher: 3670 Kc/sec
Lower: 2344 Kc/sec

The ratio is given as: 1.56

Taking a Pi over two ratio and 3670 Kc gives a lower frequency of 2337 Kc/sec

This value is close. The question is there a constant ratio of Pi over two in any extra coil or is it just a coincidence. The same temptation exists to jump upon the fact that the Colorado extra coil and secondary have identical wire lengths and thus identical luminal frequencies. Tesla makes no discussion of this.

The Colorado Transformer can be scaled to the broadcast band. Important is that the inductance of the extra coil decrease with the square root of the increase in scaled frequency. Also any lumped capacity must also decrease with the square root of the increase in frequency.

A 15 meter coil at 45 Kc/sec is a .75 meter coil at 900 Kc/sec.

A 25 milliHenry coil at 45 Kc/sec is a 5.6 milliHenry coil at 900 Kc/sec.

A 432 picoFarad terminal capacitance is a 97 picoFarad capacitance is a 97 picoFarad capacitance at 900 Kc/sec.

45 over 900 is .05 and the square root of .05 is .22. Take it from there.

5) Nhopa's coil seems like the wire is too thin. Number 14 THHN conduit wire is ok here, thicker like number 12 is better. Cut notches in support rods to hold turns. Remember to bake and varnish wooden rods to cut losses. The primary aim is towards the maximum possible magnification factor, this is a great challenge and a must for A.M. reception. A test or exploring coil for node measurements is a number of turns on a small ferrite rod, A.M. radio loopsticks are great for this. Connect test lamp, NOT LED, but incandescent to testing coil and explore magnetic field. A small axial flourescent lamp on a stick works for potential node testing. Node position is of great importance here.

I have only a few more days to answer questions so try to get these things going. Arguments about the constitution of the Aether or the bible are fine but coil data is more interesting to me. Not a lot of activity to keep me interested in this forum. Try to find engineers and technicians to join in on these ventures, kind of like the church seeking new members through recruitment.

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@ Mad,

Care to make an excel sheet to provide all the data that we can from our experiments? I was going to give it a try but I am still a little shaky on the calculations and don't have the confidence to post something like this yet.
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1/8 wave system

quote : master dollard

When a line is operated at an eighth wavelength it has the property of converting the far end impedance to a resistance equaling the magnitude of the far end impedance, this at the sending end of the line. Marconi used this in his flat top at KET Bolinas, and to a certain extent this may be happening in the Colorado Springs extra coil, but only if expressed in a luminal velocity base. Read Steinmetz, "Oscillations of the Compound Circuit", in "Impulses, Waves, and Discharges", very important info on the refraction and reflection of waves at the transition between two independent transmission structures (or coils).


Thanks for that insight , my system works on 1/8 wave length systems.
1/8 wave length transmitter and 1/8 wave length receiver . makes a 1/4 wave length total .

quote master dollard :

If the line is operated at a frequency of less than that of the quarter wave frequency, the sending end impedance is capacitive

I my 2 x 1/8 wave system this is so i can tune all the way down by shortning the lenght to the sphere s dielectric antenna `s

Telescopic with dielectric on the end would be handy to make a HF band receiver coils wich are tuneable . think of the automatic car antenna `s .

Before i blow up the radio receivers ,i use a high power chip resitors parallel at the receiver prim. loop for attenuation.

and measure `receive` with a scope before hook it to the radio receiver .
Scopes can handle high voltages ,spectrum analyzers and radio receivers not.

Wise words from Master Dollard to hook it up to a crystal radio receiver .
Would be a lovely sett to show the technology .

I am still learning the data for the extra coil .

However i am still experimenting with the flat spirals got some ribbon cable i will try that .

About Neutrino`s did anyone ever did see a blue flash in space .
Cherenkov radiation flash.

i see them more often just pop out of nowhere .

Perhaps all the neutrino detector scientists should check out the telsla technology .

keep up all the good experimenting .

thanks all on the forum for the great input .

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When a line is operated at an eighth wavelength it has the property of converting the far end impedance to a resistance equaling the magnitude of the far end impedance, this at the sending end of the line. Marconi used this in his flat top at KET Bolinas,


However i am still experimenting with the flat spirals got some ribbon cable i will try that .

About Neutrino`s did anyone ever did see a blue flash in space .
Cherenkov radiation flash.

i see them more often just pop out of nowhere .

Perhaps all the neutrino detector scientists should check out the telsla technology .

keep up all the good experimenting .

thanks all on the forum for the great input .

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Hey, what do you think about this experiment I have been doing with the Electromagnet as described by Edward Leedskalnin?

The Dollard Tesla Leedskalnin Effect; Effect preceding Cause; E.g. Lagging Reaction to Leading Cause - YouTube

Leedskalnin writes in his book magnetic current to use wire that is 18 inches long and 1/18th inch in radius. He repeatedly talks about "all kind of light" being produced in certain configurations. Eric speaks about two kinds of "light" or rather "Wave". The longitudinal wave of 291,000miles per second, and the transverse wave propagations of 186,000miles per second. Eric describes these two waves as occuring simultaneously across transmission line of the Marconi Wireless System. I think the above video might be of interest to you. What you said about those blue light I have been calling the "blue vertical" for some many months now. I named the effect the "Dollard Leedskalnin Tesla effect" in their honour. I'd never have spotted it if it hadn't been for their insistence on waves from outer space that can move as fast (and were measured by Tesla) as 50C. What are we looking at in the video, Effect preceding cause? An aspect of the longitudinal axis plane of 1d interfering with the transverse propogations of magnetic kind in the future? I have noticed the blue wave travels up to meet the conduct blue radial arc discharge, as if it "knows" when the open terminal wire of the spark gap is going to be closed. It looks like the blue wave travels up in advance at a given speed and in advance of my closing, to "form antithesis" to the travelling wave. This is monumental stuff if I am right.

All the camera appears to be picking up is some sort of transverse wave light interference. I think it is to do with the way the camera and the human eye sends out rays of light , the transverse kind, and they are somehow interacting with the longitudinal waves that are faster than light - and what is visible phenomenon that is detectable merely travels at the speed of light, but the medium that the detection light interacted with was way faster.

I'm probably wrong.

I need proper optical video technology, possibly electrical technology to do a fair test to detect the timing of the blue light wave that precedes the red light wave in the spark and bulbs from transformers.

Perhaps others will be able to recreate a basic electromagnet setup described by Ed LEedskalnin and see if they can catch the apparent blue vertical light preceding the effect of a closed terminal. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe something about the camera abhors the true representation of the propagating wave. I'm considering the possibility. If I have caught something it may be more spectacular than transverse detection camera's are capable of seeing. Perhaps there is a way to view the longitudinal wave - Tesla did not have the video technology we have now and I think it bothered him deeply that there was no way to reveal this invisible wave quite as spectacularly as he was in other inventions. If I am not wrong this may be a hint on the telluric system of ground transmission as discussed by the N6KPH route, and a consideration that transverse propagations consist of longitudinal propagations on a single axis plane. (Maybe I am wrong). After all I am not an engineer, I am a musician. I have a good idea about sound and that has helped my understanding of magnetic waves to some extent?

I have another video here: apparently showing the same blue stream of light at 90 degrees flying into an LED , from an iron bar magnetised across the primary and secondary is removed from sitting across the circuit. The LED lights as red, but this blue light always appears before. What is this blue light?

leedskalnin push pull light suckers thanks bell labs.avi - YouTube


IF I am right there is more than one current traveling around the circuit as a result of the iron bar breaking from between the coils, and this one triggers a preceding blue light that flies from outside the surrounding aether into the electrical system. Is this the blue dielectric that sits in antithesis to the red magnetic force? One current (magnetic, to dielectric) has a different colour to another perhaps. I don't know enough about electricity to comment further but I do believe my basic experiments and recanting of Dollards counterspace, the Bolinas Marconi Wireless facility propogations and Leedskalnins work with magnetic current all point to an effect preceding cause, or non relativistic propogation of wave. It would seem important how the transformer is orientated in the frame of reference, for instance I do not know many transformers that have 3 points of movement, most are only 2nd order.

I think this is what Eric Dollard is driving at, I'm a musician though. Sadly not an engineer or a scientist. Reserved to the far edges of what some might consider speculation, I think thought that it is a little bit more than that.

I really don't know, but it was significantly compelling to me.

One last thing, I didn't "invent" this effect, I saw it with my eyes, and I saw it with a video Camera. It had perplexed me greatly. Then today I came accross the below picture and I wonder what it was that I was looking at with my basic electricity and sparks from my basic electromagnet and transformer- indeed I wonder if my suggestion of a blue preceding effect is so afar fetched. Indeed if the transverse light is not entangled by other particles, then I am incorrect, but if it is entangled, like lines of rope, then it may very well be that a magnetic change in the future may cause a dielectric change in the past, this might occur for red and blue shift, and might be expressed as a space time vs counterspace dynamics.

As far as I know no such research exists that isn't apparently classified.



Tachyon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Because a tachyon always moves faster than light, we cannot see it approaching. After a tachyon has passed nearby, we would be able to see two images of it, appearing and departing in opposite directions. The black line is the shock wave of Cherenkov radiation, shown only in one moment of time. This double image effect is most prominent for an observer located directly in the path of a superluminal object (in this example a sphere, shown in grey). The right hand bluish shape is the image formed by the blue-doppler shifted light arriving at the observer—who is located at the apex of the black Cherenkov lines—from the sphere as it approaches. The left-hand reddish image is formed from red-shifted light that leaves the sphere after it passes the observer. Because the object arrives before the light, the observer sees nothing until the sphere starts to pass the observer, after which the image-as-seen-by-the-observer splits into two—one of the arriving sphere (to the right) and one of the departing sphere (to the left).
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Cherenkov radiation (also spelled Čerenkov) is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle (such as an electron) passes through a dielectric medium at a speed greater than the phase velocity of light in that medium. The charged particles polarize the molecules of that medium, which then turn back rapidly to their ground state, emitting radiation in the process. The characteristic blue glow of nuclear reactors is due to Cherenkov radiation. Its existence was predicted by the English polymath Oliver Heaviside in papers published in 1888–1889, but it is named after Russian scientist Pavel Alekseyevich Cherenkov, the 1958 Nobel Prize winner who was the first to characterise it rigorously
It spooks me out. A lot.

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. Another thread perhaps? I'm probably wrong. Nevermind.

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Any ideal why Imageshack removed my previously posted pictures? I don't mind doing the testing, putting in effort, but working with the current forum limitations is a real hassle.
No idea. Are you sure you didn't upload any dodgy pictures by accident?

Copying the graph from Excel seems to have worked. The image is a bit small though. It might help if you resize the "canvas" in Paint. Do that by moving the almost invisible little square that's on the lower right of the white canvas, then the actual picture should be the whole image without white around the edges.

If the graphs are tiny through being copied from Excel "internally" then the print screen option will let you have it the size it is on your screen, but with a couple more minutes editing required.
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Care to make an excel sheet to provide all the data that we can from our experiments? I was going to give it a try but I am still a little shaky on the calculations and don't have the confidence to post something like this yet.
Ok, shouldn't be a problem. I just need to know what you're looking for. I have loads of calcs in excel on the CRI.
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Next test is now to measure the potential of the high end of the extra coil and graph the peaks.
I wasn't happy with the consistency after leaving things overnight and moving the "probes" around and getting rulers in there to measure things etc, so I reset the whole thing and did the secondary test again and extra coil simultaneously. This is now the setup:



Data based on most recent results:

Extra Coil:
126 turns
Diameter = 8.28cm
Height = 8.28cm
Conductor length = 32.271 metres

Luminal frequency = 2322.4 kc
Direct = 2694.8 kc - Magnification Factor = 57.07992
10pF = 2833.1 kc - Magnification Factor = 81.5891

Secondary Coil:
20 turns
Diameter = 20.7cm
Height = 4.08cm
Conductor length = 13.079 metres calculated (approx 12.92 metres used)

Luminal frequency = 5730.4 kc calculated (5800.9 kc for 12.92m)
Free maximum frequency = 4126 kc - Magnification Factor = 63.70233
Rings = 3670 kc - Magnification Factor = 83.71159

Concatenated Coils:
First Peak Resonance: 3670 kc
Second Peak Resonance: 2340 kc

Ratio = 1.568376

Even closer to Pi over two.



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1 Corinthians 1:18-20 “For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” Paul writes that those who are perishing consider the word of the cross “foolishness.” Five times Paul will use a form of the word “foolishness.” Basic Greek word is moria. In 1:25 as an adjective—moros. The English word “moron” is from Greek. Ridiculous, ignorant, stupid, and contemptible. “You moron!” But that is the very word that Paul uses here five times. Most people consider the cross to be moronic! The word of the cross is that salvation is freely granted by God’s grace, not human merit or intellect. Furthermore, salvation is extended to all people. This levels the ground at the foot of the cross. Everyone comes to God through faith, based upon the work of Jesus Christ. This offends man’s pride.

1 Corinthians 1:27Instead, God chose things the world considers foolish in order to shame those who think they are wise. And he chose things that are powerless to shame those who are powerful.

Jeremiah 8:9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?

The problem with fallen humanity apart from Jesus is that we still don’t have a clue with the knowledge we obtain. The problem isn’t with knowledge but with the wisdom that interprets and applies the knowledge to concerns and struggles. We need to recognize that our knowledge is limited. But God knows everything that can be known or could be known. We need to entrust ourselves to Him and recognize that He loves to cut the wise and powerful down to size.
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Extra Coil Math

Making several Posts here as I have been talking off line and now coming back with more detail about the basic Math to be used here with regard to the Extra Coil.

My conclusions on Tesla at Colorado Springs agree with Eric in some aspects and differ in others and the reason for these Posts.

Crystal Set Initiative Data:
AM Radio Frequency = 1557 Khz
Diameter Primary/Secondary = 488mm
One Turn = 1533mm
30645/1533 = 20 Secondary Turns but best at 17 as proven by empirical means.
Wire Length = c/2piF

Extra Coil:
MULTIPLY: Where my Math is with a working TMT.
1.557*(pi/2) = 2.4457 Mhz
2.4457 * 4 = 9.7829 Mhz = Full Wave = 30.645 meters

DIVIDE: Where Eric's Math is with a non working TMT.
1.557/(pi/2) = 991.2 Khz
991.2 * 4 = 3.9649 = Full Wave = 75.612 meters

Extra Coil detail:
Diameter = 195.2mm
One Turn = 613.24mm
Turns = 30645/613.24 = 50
Length of Extra and Secondary are the same.

Tests I did in the Lab are similar to the previous day's with regard to comparison of the 3 Extra Coils.
Instead of having the 'Intensity Meter' connected to the pick-up head, I connected it direct to the end of the Extra Coil and kept the Sig Gen level constant and measured response at the meter as I changed the Coils after first peaking the signal.
Turns in brackets is maximum on the coil and my #1 and #3 need slight trimming.

Ecoil #3 - 11 awg Turn 42 best (56) 1146 Khz 44uA - close to expected
Ecoil #1 - 14 awg Turn 49 best (55) 919.4 Khz 38uA - close to expected
Ecoil #2 - Erics Turn 125 390.8 Khz 14.5 uA 21 awg - way too low and signal dies with load from added C and L - parasitics.

Note please that Sig Gen level was the SAME for all 3 tests.

What I expected to happen here is that the frequency would peak at around the 990 Khz point and that is exactly what happened with my two but not with Erics.

You will note from yesterday's Post - I didn't Post yesterday but have the data here - that my peak frequency on #1 & #3 was close to the 'C omega' of 2446 Khz ABOVE (Multiply) where Eric's was down at 1024.9 Khz BELOW (Divide).

What my drawing is showing that there are two operating points, one ABOVE and one BELOW and to use the point below is difficult as this is where all the inductance/capacitance problems arise with small wires, long number of turns and operating at a point BELOW the frequency of concern, in my case the 1557 Khz.

What is required in lay terms is for the frequency of concern to become established before you can begin working at the 'C omega' point and my MULTIPLY method allows this to happen where Eric's DIVIDE method doesn't as he is attempting to generate a standing wave before the frequency of concern can establish itself.
That's what my drawing is showing and hope this can be understood.
Been messing with too many coils and real bad electronics over the years and this just makes pure sense to me.

I Posted this at 'n6kph' that I thought Tesla may have realised this problem but due to equipment limitations he chose to work on the 'difficult' side but then again I ask, why did he not just drop his frequency down where he could work at say 60 Khz centre vice the 95?????
He wasn't aware there were/are two sides to everything, not being critical just observant?

There is no 1/4 wave involved with any of this as we are working fully with the FULL WAVELENGTH of the 'C omega' calculated standing wave and that is why my method peaks at the 2446 Khz (1557 * pi/2 = 2446 Khz).

The only way I see anyone comprehending the Math here is to build using my method as it will give you a working TMT and all that detail is given in my simple little 'Multiply/Divide' drawing - it is GOLD, value it please.
Imagine now what is going to happen when we power this device?
It is already magnifying as I have previously explained and being a 'sensitive' you can feel the energy radiating out of this coil with the palm of the hand.

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Copper Mass & Surface Area

Here is the data on the Copper Mass and Surface Area that I have been working on in an attempt to clarify the reality of the Tesla CSNotes:
Tesla Coils Copper Mass & Surface Area:

COPPER MASS:
Primary:
37x0.01031296x154.723x12x2 = 1417.0 ins3 = 23,220.5 cm3

Secondary:
17x0.00881255x154.723x12 = 278.2 ins3 = 4,558.9 cm3

Extra Coil:
98x0.0205722x311 = 627 ins3
2x0.00881255x311 = 5.48 ins3
Total = 632.5 ins3 = 10,364.8 cm3

Ratios:

Primary:Secondary = 5.1:1
Secondary:Extra = 1:2.3

COPPER SURFACE AREA:

Primary 9 awg D = 2.91mm R = 1.455mm
Secondary 10 awg D = 2.69 mm R = 1.345mm
Extra 6 awg D = 4.1mm1 R = 2.055 mm

Primary:
9.142x37x47160x2/100,000 = 319.04 meters2

Secondary:
8.4509x17x47160/100,000 = 67.75 meters2

Extra:
12.912x100x2514.6/100,000 = 32.469 meters2

Ratios:

Primary:Secondary 4.7:1
Secondary:Extra 2.1:1

Notes:
1. My belief is that it is not the Mass that is significant here but more so the Surface Area.
This is being made evident today with high voltage transmission connections being of a hollow nature such that both the inner and outer surfaces can be used for transmission of a wave.

2. CSNotes Page 193 Tesla clearly states 'primary and secondary are to have same amount' and as you can see in the final 'magnifying' state that the true ratio for Mass is 5.1:1 and Surface Area is 4.7:1

3. Emphasis is being made here that the Secondary and the Extra Coils are of the same length and this is significant in the 'magnifying process'.

4. The Extra Coil Mass is considerably more than that of the Secondary with mass Ratio of 2.3:1 but the reverse applies with regard to Surface Area with Ratio 1:2.1.
Experiments are currently being carried out on this aspect of the 'magnifier' design to see if the increased mass is of any consequence in Extra Coil # 3 using 11 awg wire.
However a new coil will now be built to approximately halve the Surface Area from the current 14 awg and this calculates out to 20 awg.
The smaller wire size may also affect the inter-turn capacitance which may simulate better Tesla's true Extra Coil.

5. CSNotes Page 193 shows a good diagram of Tesla's actual Primary/Secondary construction.

6. Tesla's actual construction shows the Extra Coil sitting at the same horizontal level of the Primary/Secondary 'fence' and this is also under investigation as it is felt that not only the Secondary is of consequence but also the effect of the Primary on the Extra coil in the middle of the 'magnifier'.
So in effect what we see are two distinct radiating/induced fields into both the Secondary and the Extra Coils from the Primary at the same time and position of the Secondary and Primary may be significant in the generation of the required 'magnifying' standing waves into the Extra Coil.

7. Application of a powered Impulse into a working TMT is now to be investigated as it is expected that the radiant field from the device will be able to light Lamps and other devices that have a suitable tuned receiver attached exactly as Tesla demonstrated.
I have made prior arrangements for this event as I have several Carbon Lamps in my collection and these are the type that Tesla was able to just stand there and have light up in his hands.
The 'closed loop' principle will also be investigated.

8. The author sincerely wishes that others will follow the 'Multiply' Math example to produce a working TMT which is able to magnify a passive Telluric signal and amplify that signal so that the Extra Coil radiates that same signal for air reception some distance remotely from the source without contact.

9. The wave radiated is distinctly not of an ElectroMagnetic nature as it does not need an antenna of any kind.
The 'Fence Antenna' experiments have shown that it is necessary to actually place the probe head on the wire to receive the local AM Radio Station Hertzian transmission and this is not the case with the 'magnifier' as the probe head just needs to be in the vacinity of the Extra Coil to achieve reception.

10. A Kapanadze style device is also being built to model the TMT using the 'Multiply Math' theory.
This construction began before the 'CSI' but was being built through observation alone but was being assembled on Copper Sheet open coils and all that is now required are the suitable length coils as we now have the Math to replicate/produce a working device.

11. None of the above would have happened without the tireless efforts and inputs of Eric P Dollard and a few special others.

Have spent considerable time over the above correcting errors and believe it to now be a rational document.
Thankyou.

Smokey
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:15 PM
David G Dawson David G Dawson is offline
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Extra Coil Math

Eric Dollard Quote:
It is best if the magnification factor is given by coil maker, here is how it is done. Find peak reading on meter, its frequency noted as "carrier". Go down in frequency until meter reads 71% of the peak reading, this frequency noted as "Lower Side Band" (LSB). Go above carrier (CXR) frequency until again the meter reads 71% of the peak reading, this frequency noted as "Upper Side Band" (USB). Now subtract the LSB from USB. Take this difference, or 3dB bandwidth, and divide it by the CXR frequency. Finally take this result and divide it into one. Hence derived is the magnification factor. It is most important that this be as large as possible and every effort must be made to maximize it. The magnification transformer

Thankyou for that as I was wondering how you came up with those numbers.
Am familiar with the 3db point, Half Power point, 70.7% and all to do with 'Q' and the narrower the Delta is below, the better.

Did that exercise on my Extra Coil #1 and here are the results:

Carrier AM Radio Station = 1557 Khz
F Carrier = 2443 Khz (pi/2*1557 = 2446 - Multiply)
F LSB = 2423
F USB = 2458
Delta = 35 Hertz
35/2443 = 1/0.014326647 = 69.8

I am unable to see how you achieve a figure say of 130 after looking at the other's charts on their Secondaries and using you above Math.

Will be doing the Secondary tomorrow with the ring as you say that is the base for the Telluric involvement.

Your comments on those figures please with reference to your experience.
Thankyou.

Smokey
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:16 PM
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I have been working on in an attempt to clarify the reality of the Tesla CSNotes:
Tesla Coils Copper Mass & Surface Area:

Ratios:

Primary:Secondary 4.7:1
Secondary:Extra 2.1:1

Notes:
1. My belief is that it is not the Mass that is significant here but more so the Surface Area.
This is being made evident today with high voltage transmission connections being of a hollow nature such that both the inner and outer surfaces can be used for transmission of a wave.

2. CSNotes Page 193 Tesla clearly states 'primary and secondary are to have same amount' and as you can see in the final 'magnifying' state that the true ratio for Mass is 5.1:1 and Surface Area is 4.7:1

3. Emphasis is being made here that the Secondary and the Extra Coils are of the same length and this is significant in the 'magnifying process'.

Smokey
Ratio 1: 291,000/186,000 = 1.56451 61290 32258 06451 61290 32258 1
Ratio 2: PI = 3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399

Ratio1 (Longitudinal speed/transverse speed) + Ratio 2(PI) = 4.70610 87826 22051 30297 87724 15479


e.g. 4.7(coil ratio) - 3.14159 (PI) = 1.55841 (C)

Coincidence?

I believe this could be helpful in less than understated way, for instance if I am right this would allow for more precise engineering of the the superposition of the "wave guide" aspect of the T.M.T, as it is likely that 4.7 is not the exactly precise dimensions of the wave ratio harmonics, and it will be more like a ratio between the travelling waves themselves as well as the geometry of the coils, per time. - rather than purely coil length etc etc. So the coil length and mass is dictated by the speed of propagating waves in a transformer, and the propagating waves are determined by the mass. The mass is simple the ratio of exchange of those wavelengths. AT least if any of Einstein is to be believed.

High precision engineering I am certainly not capable of. David , but you and Eric and others may be. I believe the ratio between the speed of longitudinal wave propagations and the transverse wave propagations as claimed by Tesla and Dollard , is extremely important in getting to where you have got David. Maybe you realise this already, but if you have not I do believe the maths here should be noteworthy in your investigations.



If we could all pull our "opinions" together, tolerate each others madness & Frustration, God you are so close David! Then - I am confident we would have something very special indeed. David. Thanks for continuing your important work. Eric, David is a good man that has worked hard, if he has something here. Which I believe he most CERTAINLY does - especially his comment about using the inside surface area and the outside surface area of new electrical wires.

Eric/David I have a transformer I am building that has an outside metal around the coil and an inside metal core in coil. Think about that, and the ratio that would exist if the outer core were attached to the inner core, and how it would effect the propagation of electricity. This whole thing as Eric and David have said is essentially dividing electrical current. I do believe I have shown that the magical 4.7 is derivable to Tesla's velocity equation of PI/2 *C , in that the speed of the 1.54 coefficient/ratio that exists between Longitudinal and Transverse waves, when added to the PI ratio, gives your magic number "4.7" to much greater numeric, symbol and divisive detail at the base of division. This was important to me, as a musician and a researcher, because it is what I would expect to find if this "counter-space" can exist, per time. Of course if the magnification properties of the T.M.T are in itself not expressions of counter space, or high speed capacitor discharges reaching for asymptotic growth of compressed impulses at a single point in space, this case being the spark gap, or vacuum tubes, whereby the capacitor is folding space into.

For instance, if we were to take away from your 4.7, PI, we are left with the ratio between 291,000miles per second longitudinal waves and their transverse wave counterparts.

E.g. 4.7 - 1.56451 = 3.13549

Your ratio is off by a few atoms. :-) This is very very promising David. Well done. And the above is for the ratio of the primary given as 1:4.7.

The next part is an analysis of the secondary ratio given of 2.1:1 this seemed more interesting and perplexing to me than the primary ratio , and It was not immediately obvious the ratio's were proportionate to pi , the speed of light and the speed of longitudinal waves of 291,000miles per second, much more interesting stuff is going on in the mathematics of the secondary ratio from what I can see.

e.g. 2.1 - 1.5645161290322580645161290322581 = 0.535483870967741935483870967742 = 97/62 = 249pi/500 = -2e! + 7 +1/e + e = 391129/250000 = 1+ 141129/250000

1/2 pi = 1.564516129032258064516129032258 /2 = 0.782258064516129032258064516129

e.g. So let 1.564C/2 = 0.782258C

Please note that 0.7820805C+2.1 = 2.8820805 an Pythagorean Triple Constant

(1/The Pythagorean Constant) + 1 = 2.8820 = (4-(40*Shallit constant))/49=2.882080






Note the shallit constant is C=1.369451 *


The inverse of 291,000/186,000 (as previously above) and 186000/291000 can be expressed as the two ratio values, 1.54 and it's inverse of 0.639 respectively.

RATIO 1 = 186,000/291,000=0.63917525773195876288659793814433.
RATIO 2 = 291,000/186,000=1.5645161290322580645161290322581.

RATIO 1 + RATIO2= 2.2036913867642168274027269704021


i.e. 2.1 - 0.639 = 2/(SQRT(e * PI) / 2) = 2/(40pi/43) = 1.461 = Cubed root of PI. E.g PI/PI -1 = 2.14159
e.g. 2.20369 - 0.639 = 1.56469 = ~1/2 PI = ~291000/186000 = C*1.54/C*1.0


"IF only the world knew the magnificence of the 3 6 9?" -Tesla? The quote that is wiped off the planet history books?

This is a "wild Adam guess" - but I am guessing the correct ratio's could be as David says. Look at how the math fits in and the co-efficients. Am I crazy? Yes, but I might be right. I do not think it is an uneducated guess. Who would have thought the surface area would effect the speed of propogation and fit so mathematically perfect? Not I. Eric, could it be possible that David has something here? I know I have something and I am almost positive that David does too.

as I believe you can see there is some interesting maths here, from myself, I was a certain someone who was classified as "inept" in his schooling. Funny that, I felt the same way, about my teachers. Oh well. My suggestion is try 4.70610 87826 22051 30297 87724 15479:1 and 2.14159:1 instead of 2.1:1 and 4.7:1. I believe I have set out the dimensional relationships that could, perhaps possibly be missing from our conscious thoughts as of this moment. With this more complete ratio hypothesis you might be able to create some interesting parallel arrangements using and repeating it, instead of a single coil. I appreciate that is a little far away right now. It is also interesting to note in several of the equations I present the quarterwave presents itself time and time again, as does the half wave. Perhaps Eric is right about it boiling down to the half and quarterwave, it certainly is what tesla claimed phase velocity=Pi/2*C. There is a geometrical function of a halfwave and a ratio to C here. So the quarterwave is implied by Tesla, and if not by Tesla then by potentially the ratio's of your geometry to the ratio of longitudinal to transverse kind light. In this case it is a surface area ratio of the cube root of pi, at least on the secondary. I believe the primary mathematics is more elementary. Perhaps that was part of the confusion here?

You have no idea how excited I am. Thank you David!!!!! I also appreciate your paying attention to my posts. The intention of this post was to expose that the ratio's that are " working" for the T.M.T are explicit to the mathematical equation given by Tesla for the speed of the propogation of his waves, and indeed, the ratio of the speed of light over the longitudinal wave speed, and it's inverse. This could not be a coincidence. Not ever in my mind. Lets see what other people have to say.

Best,
A
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