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Am I missing something? Are you saying Tesla got it wrong at Colorado Springs?
I get the impression that's what's being said too. What's interesting then is that patent 1119732 is of a slightly different design... I don't know at this point if Tesla had figured something out (namely what has been concluded here) and then came up with the new design? That would make sense if we are to assume that he knew what he was doing.

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Although in relation to the crystal radio, that works (with a flat spiral for me) and the signals are seen to be out of phase.
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Tesla's Colorado Springs transformer is configured to primarily develop an enormous E.M.F. to give rise to an intense electrostatic potential. The secondary alone is the Telluric component, the rest is for big sparks mostly. I am very disappointed, I do not believe Tesla even nknew about the monophase conversion with quarter wave coils. In reading Colorado Springs it would seem he is groping for answers to his wireless ideas. He was a bit ahead in his time. After his failure at Wardenclyffe to produce a working system led to a total "free for all". DeForest, Marconi, Fesseden, Armstrong, and others all scrambled on each other like lizards in a box to create "Radio". It became such a mess, along with the Navy getting ripped off by Marconi, that the Feds made the whole mess illegal and the Navy took over.

Fortunately for us we are over that now, and also the Bearden dis-info phase has passed. The C.R.I. is the engineers attempt to move forward based upon known facts and reliable experiments. The groundwork for this has been given by myself here on forum for about one year now, so let's march forward, not get lost in details of the past misunderstanding.

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Hi Eric:
With dr-Green's help hopefully I figured out how to post full size images. All pertinent information included on each chart. With the one turn test coil I could go down to a total of 8.5 cm below the secondary from the current 5 cm. Is that test necessary? Also I will repeat the extra coil test with a home built variable air capacitor, similar to dr-Green's contraption.








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To be or not to be "visible".

[QUOTE=7redorbs;198588].....I decided not to take Edward Leedskalnin at his word, and I did some research further into the rays that appear to be coming from the Sun, (or perhaps Sol is a better euphemism) and I discovered that the Stars and the Sun are not visible outside of an atmosphere....QUOTE].

Hi 7redorbs:
This is an interesting statement and I for one would be very interested to find out by what means did you make your discovery. I tend to believe that light waves are not visible outside of our Earth atmosphere. Looking at old NASA photos and videos of the moon landings, I can't find any light source visible on the sky except the illuminated Earth. One wonders why such a mystery surrounds such a basic phenomena. We only hear that someone said this and someone else red that, but nothing concrete. So if you 7redorbs could tell me/us more about what do you know we would all very much appreciate it.
Another issue is the Hubble telescope. My INTERNET search did not provide me with enough information on the Hubble's construction to determine whether or not there is a gas filled space between the optical mirror and the front entrance of the telescope. This is very important to know. If light only manifest as a visible entity in presence of an atmosphere, then the Hubble must have some sort of gas filled chamber front of it lens. This would make sense from another point, that is, it would be easier to keep the optical lens at a certain temperature, insulated from direct exposure to the outer space. Now if it turns out that Hubble's lens is in direct contact with the outer space then light must be visible out there for an optical lens to work.
If it turns out for certain that light sources are invisible beyond our atmosphere then the question is how much atmosphere do we need to see it, i.e. how thick and how dense? Do the astronauts, looking out of their pressurized cabin, see lights of the sun and stars?
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How do you know that data about Tesla Magnifying Transformer didn't polished ?? Not by Tesla himself but some enemy structures like in case of D.I. Мendelev's periodic table and many other.... !!

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.....I decided not to take Edward Leedskalnin at his word, and I did some research further into the rays that appear to be coming from the Sun, (or perhaps Sol is a better euphemism) and I discovered that the Stars and the Sun are not visible outside of an atmosphere....QUOTE].

Hi 7redorbs:
This is an interesting statement and I for one would be very interested to find out by what means did you make your discovery. I tend to believe that light waves are not visible outside of our Earth atmosphere. Looking at old NASA photos and videos of the moon landings, I can't find any light source visible on the sky except the illuminated Earth. One wonders why such a mystery surrounds such a basic phenomena. We only hear that someone said this and someone else red that, but nothing concrete. So if you 7redorbs could tell me/us more about what do you know we would all very much appreciate it.
Another issue is the Hubble telescope. My INTERNET search did not provide me with enough information on the Hubble's construction to determine whether or not there is a gas filled space between the optical mirror and the front entrance of the telescope. This is very important to know. If light only manifest as a visible entity in presence of an atmosphere, then the Hubble must have some sort of gas filled chamber front of it lens. This would make sense from another point, that is, it would be easier to keep the optical lens at a certain temperature, insulated from direct exposure to the outer space. Now if it turns out that Hubble's lens is in direct contact with the outer space then light must be visible out there for an optical lens to work.
If it turns out for certain that light sources are invisible beyond our atmosphere then the question is how much atmosphere do we need to see it, i.e. how thick and how dense? Do the astronauts, looking out of their pressurized cabin, see lights of the sun and stars?
That is exactly my point.

IF visible light really is from PARTICLES OF MATTER, whose "orbits" are spinning, and if the longitudinal wave (from the sun) is spinning at high speed, then it may explain sufficiently why light is produced from both the AURORA BOREALIS and the ATMOSPHERE in general.

If this was true, I discovered immediately that if I was right about transverse light of 186,000miles per second being caused by a faster wave of 291,000 miles per second from all stars and suns reacting with the atmosphere then outside of the atmosphere visible light will not be observable to a lens, without a said atmosphere, and the mass that the particles are associated with. ( Take note that I did this with no physics degree, no electronics degree, NOTHING) Thanks Eric. You are a genius, that inspires me so much.

So, to summarise, the transverse wave is produced by a longitudinal wave of 291,000mi/sec (or potentially much much faster waves). The transverse wave is emitted at light speed, only when the spinning north and south pole magnets from the sun (longitudinal field) react with other spinning mass.

I realised immediately , (as I think inductively) that I could use my lack of knowledge of Telescopes and optics to confirm my prediction.

If I am right, they will have found that their light telescopes ONLY, and I MEAN ONLY, work with an air in between the vacuum of space, and the lens. Less all the star light will appear as longitudinal (invisible).

At least if my hypothesis holds , the better light detectors will be found to have a very high density atmosphere between the source medium and the detector lens or sensor array. I was impressed because even someone like old me was able to inductively consider a proof to Tesla and Eric Dollards Longitudinal waves of 291,000mi/sec (or more) coming from the sun, and a possibility to prove without doubt.

That in the absence of atmosphere, the waves are black.... for me it is getting a bit spooky. All that dark matter the scientists are looking for........ hmmm Could it really be in the propogation speed of waves from the stars (because clearly by inductive approach stars do not appear to emit light).

Stars and suns, they appear to emit a dark, black substance, in the form of wave, it has energy certainly. It is also spinning with great kinetic, otherwise I doubt the atmosphere, and the orbiting magnets of particles would collide so brilliantly together. Afterall, the light in a bulb, is not produced by electrons. It's produced by the collision , and density of north and south pole magnets at the filament.

That's why the filament is so small, and thin. The north and south poles they crowd there, at the weakest point in the entire wire, if you increase the thickness, the north and south poles no longer escape.

This suggests that heat is created by interaction of MASS with a longitudinal from outer space. The longitudinal wave itself, having no radiation emissions, or scatter, appears to be at least implied as lossless. If it is kinetic movement, in the longitudinal wave, and the vacuum does provide no resistance, then this may explain why it travels at a greater propogation rate through that medium, in comparison to an atmosphere which has high amount of rotation , caused by the planet rotation itself and the kinetic energy of particles moving in the aether.

Indeed, light speed (186,000mi/sec) waves would be produced in the fashion of deflection of magnetic orbits, and longitudinal waves of higher speed would be produced in mediums with no deflection, such as the vacuum of space. The wave becomes dark and invisible until interacting with matter.

It is in my approximation why the Moon should also have no reflections.

Lets not forget the important note of the kinetic I have made. If the longitudinal wave is a spinning twirling wave (much like our electricity), than our efforts are surely not in vain. If the resistance of the vacuum of space is significantly low, and we know it is, because it has a negative temperature in Celsius, even when "sun waves" travel through it. IS this not proof already that transverse waves are produced by reflection? And is it not enough proof already Light IS reflection? Maybe not... so I will continue a little further...

IF the resistance in the vacuum is 0, and that is what is causing the longitudinal wave to be invisible, and the moving particles in the vacuum ARE resistance to the longitudinal wave that IS invisible, then the kinetic energy of waves from the sun, or any electrical conductor are PRESERVED in the vacuum.

Behold how and why Tesla really could have achieved a means of "transmitting electricity absolutely regardless of distance". If indeed, the sun is transferring it's longitudinal wave energy into the atmosphere across the entire span of the orbit radius of earth without loss, then it represents a great victory of proof for Tesla's longitudinal wave. It also explains why in Tesla's biography he explains his vision of the sun, before drawing his alternating current diagram and 4 quadrant motor & Transformer system. Perhaps a little hidden mesage from Tesla. If his comments that his flying saucers "were befitting of king solomon" wasn't?

Anyway... Now I'm waffling but I'm significantly glad my previous post was not entirely in vain.

Keep up the good work Eric, David, Peter. I'm sorry that my musings are without basis and usefulness occasionally. In the case of this though I hope I provide a tunnel of some kind. (if you forgive the pun)

To summarise I think atmospheric density and a regular lenz and/or light sensor ought to give results by amplitude of the light alone..... If I am right then high density == high amplification of light....... Density or impulse density == amplification/luminescence concentration. If luminescence was a function of the kinetic energy of the wave rotation, and the interacting particulate matter (in this case the atmosphere or a compartment within a telescope that sits directly in between the test medium and the lenz. It's well worth nothing this might suggest that all telescopes are looking at a "particle reaction" rather than an "particle existence".

Sure, it's quantum physics, but I have muted faith in many of these so called faculties of science. If they were called faculties of interdependent natural philosophy I'd be happier. Not knowing such a thing held me back a decade in my understanding, I'm only 28. But I am serious.

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They don't need a gas. I believe William Lyne who also revealed this fact stated that they have specially coated lens that allows them to see the otherwise invisible light. It may also be the case that is why the gold colored doom on space suits really is for.



And this is a very old idea. The earliest trace of this is a book from early 1920's that referred to an older book hundreds of years old that said the sun is a dark cold mass that emits no visible light. This is before anyone even came close to being in space according to common history. There is nothing new under the sun.

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Hi 7redorbs:
This is an interesting statement and I for one would be very interested to find out by what means did you make your discovery. I tend to believe that light waves are not visible outside of our Earth atmosphere. Looking at old NASA photos and videos of the moon landings, I can't find any light source visible on the sky except the illuminated Earth. One wonders why such a mystery surrounds such a basic phenomena. We only hear that someone said this and someone else red that, but nothing concrete. So if you 7redorbs could tell me/us more about what do you know we would all very much appreciate it.
Another issue is the Hubble telescope. My INTERNET search did not provide me with enough information on the Hubble's construction to determine whether or not there is a gas filled space between the optical mirror and the front entrance of the telescope. This is very important to know. If light only manifest as a visible entity in presence of an atmosphere, then the Hubble must have some sort of gas filled chamber front of it lens. This would make sense from another point, that is, it would be easier to keep the optical lens at a certain temperature, insulated from direct exposure to the outer space. Now if it turns out that Hubble's lens is in direct contact with the outer space then light must be visible out there for an optical lens to work.
If it turns out for certain that light sources are invisible beyond our atmosphere then the question is how much atmosphere do we need to see it, i.e. how thick and how dense? Do the astronauts, looking out of their pressurized cabin, see lights of the sun and stars?
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READ this Tesla's article printed in New York's Herald Tribune, September 11, 1932

by Nikola Tesla 11/9/1932

The assumption of the Maxwellian ether was thought necessary to explain the propagation of light by transverse vibrations, which can only occur in a solid. So fascinating was this theory that even at present it has many supporters, despite the manifest impossibility of a medium, perfectly mobile and tenuous to a degree inconceivable, and yet extremely rigid, like steel. As a result some illusionary ideas have been formed and various phenomena erroneously interpreted. The so—called Hertz waves are still considered a reality proving that light is electrical in its nature, and also that the ether is capable of transmitting transverse vibrations of frequencies however low. This view has become untenable since I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be prop*agated, involving alternating compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not emit Hertz waves which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely small densi*ty of the medium, their speed is that of light.

Since waves of this kind are all the more penetrating, the shorter they are, I have urged the experts engaged in the commercial application of the wireless art to employ very short waves, but for a long time my suggestions were not heeded. Eventually, though, this was done, and gradually the wavelengths were reduced to but a few meters. Invariably it was found that these waves, just as those in the air, follow the curvature of the earth and bend around obstacles, a peculiarity ex*hibited to a much lesser degree by transverse vibrations in a solid. Recently, how*ever, ultrashort waves have been experimented with and the fact that they also have the same property was hailed as a great discovery, offering the stupendous promise to make wireless transmission infinitely simpler and cheaper.
It is of interest to know what wireless experts have expected, knowing that waves a few meters long are transmitted clear to the antipodes. Is there any reason that they would behave radically different when their length is reduced to about half of one meter?


As the general knowledge of this subject seems very limited, I may state, that even waves only one or two millimeters long, which I produced thirty-three years ago, provided that they carry sufficient energy, can be transmitted around the globe. This is not so much due to refraction and reflection as to the properties of a gaseous medium and certain peculiar action, which I shall explain some time in the future. At present it may be sufficient to call attention to an important fact in this connection, namely, that this bending of the beam projected from reflector does not affect in the least its behavior in other respects. As regards deflection in a horizontal plane, it acts just as though it were straight. To be explicit the horizontal deviations are comparatively slight. In a proposed ultrashort wave transmission, the vertical bending, far from being an advantage, is a serious draw*back, as it increased greatly the liability of disturbances by obstacles at the earth’s surface. The downward deflection always occurs, irrespective of wavelength, and also if the beam is thrown upward at an angle to the horizontal, and this tendency is, according to my finding, all the more pronounced the bigger the planet. On a body as large as the sun, it would be impossible to project a dis*turbance of this kind to any considerable distance except along the surface.

It might be inferred that I am alluding to the curvature of space supposed to exist according to the teachings of relativity, but nothing could be further from my mind. I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view.


The chief object of employing very short waves is to provide an increased number of channels required to satisfy the ever-growing demand for wireless appliances. But this is only because the transmitting and receiving apparatus, as generally employed, is ill-conceived and not well adapted for selection. The transmitter generates several systems of waves, all of which, except one, are useless. As a consequence, only an infinitesimal amount of energy reaches the receiver and de*pendence is placed on extreme amplification, which can be easily affected by the use of the so-called three-electrode tubes. This invention has been credited to others, but as a matter of fact, it was brought out by me in 1892, the principle being described and illustrated in my lecture before the Franklin Institute and National Electric Light Assof7iation. In my original device I put around the in*candescent filament a conducting member, which I called a “sieve.” This device is connected to a wire leading outside of the bulb and serves to modify the stream of particles projected from the filament according to the charge imparted to it. In this manner a new kind of detector, rectifier and amplifier was provided. Many forms of tubes on this principle were constructed by me and various interesting ef*fects obtained by their means shown to visitors in my laboratory from 1893 to 1899, when I undertook the erection of an experimental world—system wireless plant at Colorado Springs.

During the last thirty-two years these tubes have been made veritable marvels of mechanical perfection, but while helpful in many ways they have drawn the experts away from the simpler and much superior arrangement, which I attempted to introduce in 1901. My plans involved the use of a highly effective and efficient transmitter conveying to any receiver at whatever distance, a relatively large amount of ener*gy. The receiver is itself a device of elementary simplicity partaking of the char*acteristics of the ear, except that it is immensely more sensitive. In such a sys*tem resonant amplification is the only one necessary and the selectivity is so great that any desired number of separate channels can be provided without going to waves shorter than a few meters.

For this reason, and because of other shortcomings, I do not attach much importance to the employment of waves, which are now being experimented with. Besides, I am contemplating the practical use of another principle, which I have discovered and which is almost unlimited in the number of channels and in the energy three-electrode tubes. This invention has been credited to others, but as a matter of fact, it was brought out by me in 1892, the principle being transmitted. It should enable us to obtain many important results heretofore considered impossible. With the knowledge of the facts before me, I do not think it hazardous to predict that we will be enabled to illuminate the whole sky at night and that eventually we will flash power in virtually unlimited amounts to planets. It would not surprise me at all if an experiment to transmit thousands of horsepower to the moon by this new method were made in a few years from now.

N.Tesla, «Pioneer Radio Engineer Gives Views on Power» New York Herald Tribune, Sept.11, 1932
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Any particle from the period table that has mass is fine.

The denser the more light though.

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Well, I'm no expert and make no pretense to understand this phenomena but if what you say is true. Then why isn't glass (that the lens are made of) enough to make them visible?

If you look at Tesla's experiment on this radiation (roentgen radiation), it reacts differently depending on the type of atom it strikes. Not just mass but what the material is makes an important distinction. It's not merely density or mass as you say.
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This is getting off topic and we may want to start another thread on this phenomenon to keep the channel clear.

I have technical information in regards to this I can share.
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Sorry, I did a really long post again. So i deleted it and replaced it with this.. I don't want to distract you or take the focus away.

I just wanted to thank Eric. Not enough people do. Please don't write me off too fast. I have read all of Eric's books, and some of the ones he recommends, and I do understand some of it.


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Notes on Impulse Forces

1) Tesla's radiant matter lamps: Tesla developed a single terminal lamp consisting of a spherical bulb and a central monopolar multipactive cathode. Damped, asymmetrical, oscillations can make this bulb a projector of radiant matter. Find and read his descriptions of this lamp.

2) Vassilatos overemphasizes the uni-directional discharge. The distinction here is, are we considering Tesla's Telluric work, this a harmonic wave, or are we considering his vacuum (Aether) work, this a transient wave?

3) Considering then, a non recovering transient or "uni-directional impulse", it is that once all the dielectric energy is abruptly thrown into magnetic form this magnetic energy recoils with an intense Forward EMF. A shock wave of electrostatic potential ensues. Steinmetz makes an analog of the cracking of a whip. Robert Golka, "Mr. Sparks", performed an interesting series of violent EMF discharges utilizing electric railway equipment.


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4) Experimental verification: Sputins experiment involves discharges in rust, Iron Oxides, Sulfates, and Hydroxides along with carbon compounds give a solid state soup. Ferrous sufides work as catwhisker diodes. Did he just hit the right little booger on the grill and trigger a uni-directional transient?

5) Observations from the Goethean presentation of dielectric magnetic polarity, this in the "Free Energy" video: two violent disruptive discharges are shown here, dielectric short circuit, and a magnetic open circuit. Watch closely how the magnetic impulse tweaks the solid state video camera in this scene, the dielectric does not.

6) Childhood memories remind me of the tragedy of burning out my FM radio. This came about by simply arcing a grounded TV doorknob condenser, 10KV @ 500 pFd charge, to a one square foot metal plate. Snap and the radio went dead. Bummer.

7) Vassilatos in his Vril Compendium, shows instances of photographs of the surrounding countryside being visible inside glass telephone insulators, or on the decks of ships, these after lightning strikes. This is one step beyond radiant matter.

8) The idea of electron clusters flew by. Let us look at this idea. J.J. Thompson did not discover the electron as the Einsteiners know it. To J.J. Thompson it was an Aether Corpuscle, 1000 times smaller that the so called "electron". He did not like this adulteration nor did Steinmetz. Now we find that Steinmetz goes so far as to say that this "electron" is a Chemical Atom! Einstein is going to call 911. Are we to now think that a multiplicity of J.J. corpuscles are the electrons of the "electron" and no counter-polar nucleus exists? And what about the element Coronium?

9)Another experimental observation from my RCA days. I had assembled a "spark gap" transformer, it consisted of one of the ceramic coils in the Bolinas photos. The primary was of the configuration shown by Tesla in his Colorado Notes, reference number one in my recent writing. The output was remarkable. A small radar triode, 24G (or 3C24?) I think. Upon exposing this tube to the corona of transformer it operated as a Crookes tube. Blue electron fluorescence was seen on the inside of the glass. Now what was astonishing was that this electron glow remained after the transformer was de-energized. In attempt to pick it up in my fingers a fractal display of Coronium green streamers spread across the glass and the tube discharge in a snap. Is this the monopolar "charge" questioned by Faraday?

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10) So now the doors are flung open into the Borderlands, but how does this serve the engineer? What can we make of this that works?

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1) Nhopa Coil Notes

The graphs are hard to use when off scale or skewed. Back off the test coil more until meter stays on scale. I see your magnification factor is about 130. It is best if the magnification factor is given by coil maker, here is how it is done. Find peak reading on meter, its frequency noted as "carrier". Go down in frequency until meter reads 71% of the peak reading, this frequency noted as "Lower Side Band" (LSB). Go above carrier (CXR) frequency until again the meter reads 71% of the peak reading, this frequency noted as "Upper Side Band" (USB). Now subtract the LSB from USB. Take this difference, or 3dB bandwidth, and divide it by the CXR frequency. Finally take this result and divide it into one. Hence derived is the magnification factor. It is most important that this be as large as possible and every effort must be made to maximize it. The magnification transformer.

2) Duplication of Colorado Transformer in a scaled down version. This is an easy task. In principle the Lineal dimensions of distributed networks scale directly as wavelength and frequency are inverses. Not so with lumped components like inductors and condensers, these scale to the square root of the scale factor. Thus if a one hundreth size unit is made the inductors and condesners must be one tenth in size, square root of 100.

3) From accounts given in Tesla biographies, like JJ Oniel's "Prodigal Genius", once perfected the Tesla Transformer made quite a commotion, heard 20 miles away. Horses jumped from the ground, sparks following their feet. It burned out the generating station. Tesla had created a cumulative oscillation, as frequently described by Steinmetz, these oscillations possibly of global magnitude. While the frequency of about 45 Kc/sec is thought to be "too high" for earth resonance, that line of thinking is Einstein thinking, Schumann BS. It is ironic Marconi chose 44.77 Kc/sec for his Bolinas KET station.

4) Looking at the Colorado Notes it is noticed that his considerations and math are are most basic, high school level. No consideration of transient refraction, reflections, and impedance matching are to be found. Tesla actually tries to suppress the distributed constants rather than utilize them. For cumulative oscillations an electric discharge, like in the spark gap, or the IB22 diode, is required. Here is the "negative resistance" for cumulative oscillations, but there seems something more lurks. It is an interesting form of regeneration. It would seem from this that Tesla considered the spark discharge essential for the formation of his wireless waves, here was a fatal misunderstanding so prevalent in Tesla's day. Giant sparks do not represent practical technologies. Look at it today, "The Tesla Coil is for only making sparks" Golka yells, but do I want my 132 KV substation shooting sparks everywhere, surely not! Golka went into convulsions. So that is what we ended with, giant pecker heads spewing forth electrical effluvia, useless. So now we try to go beyond that, looking at Tesla as a pioneer, working in uncharted waters, unsure of actually where it would go or how it would get there(where?). Tesla gives the groundwork but now it needs further developments that were not possible with the materials and understanding available in his day.

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I tested the extra coil with a metallic connection to the secondary last night, expecting the peak frequency of the whole thing to come down, but interestingly it has gone up. I'm having to use more capacitance on the condenser rings WITH the extra coil than without it to get the frequency down to the 3.67 Mc target. I wasn't expecting that Extra coil being connected to the lower ring (top of secondary), and the upper ring being connected to secondary neutral/earth.

Also I don't know what's going on here. I noticed it accidentally when looking to see if anything happened with an LED on the output using the test setup. The coil output accidentally shorted across the unlit LED to earth and it flashed. It turns out the LED lights on switch closure or a direct short across the LED, then it stays off. I'm not sure if it also lights on switch opening as I've only done it by hand, but by connecting and disconnecting the coil from earth quickly the LED can be made to look as if it's constantly on. Red LED appears to be the best and the polarity makes no difference.

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That is exactly my point.

IF visible light really is from PARTICLES OF MATTER, whose "orbits" are spinning, and if the longitudinal wave (from the sun) is spinning at high speed, then it may explain sufficiently why light is produced from both the AURORA BOREALIS and the ATMOSPHERE in general.

If this was true, I discovered immediately that if I was right about transverse light of 186,000miles per second being caused by a faster wave of 291,000 miles per second from all stars and suns reacting with the atmosphere then outside of the atmosphere visible light will not be observable to a lens, without a said atmosphere, and the mass that the particles are associated with. ( Take note that I did this with no physics degree, no electronics degree, NOTHING) Thanks Eric. You are a genius, that inspires me so much.

So, to summarise, the transverse wave is produced by a longitudinal wave of 291,000mi/sec (or potentially much much faster waves). The transverse wave is emitted at light speed, only when the spinning north and south pole magnets from the sun (longitudinal field) react with other spinning mass.

I realised immediately , (as I think inductively) that I could use my lack of knowledge of Telescopes and optics to confirm my prediction.

If I am right, they will have found that their light telescopes ONLY, and I MEAN ONLY, work with an air in between the vacuum of space, and the lens. Less all the star light will appear as longitudinal (invisible).

At least if my hypothesis holds , the better light detectors will be found to have a very high density atmosphere between the source medium and the detector lens or sensor array. I was impressed because even someone like old me was able to inductively consider a proof to Tesla and Eric Dollards Longitudinal waves of 291,000mi/sec (or more) coming from the sun, and a possibility to prove without doubt.

That in the absence of atmosphere, the waves are black.... for me it is getting a bit spooky. All that dark matter the scientists are looking for........ hmmm Could it really be in the propogation speed of waves from the stars (because clearly by inductive approach stars do not appear to emit light).

Stars and suns, they appear to emit a dark, black substance, in the form of wave, it has energy certainly. It is also spinning with great kinetic, otherwise I doubt the atmosphere, and the orbiting magnets of particles would collide so brilliantly together. Afterall, the light in a bulb, is not produced by electrons. It's produced by the collision , and density of north and south pole magnets at the filament.

That's why the filament is so small, and thin. The north and south poles they crowd there, at the weakest point in the entire wire, if you increase the thickness, the north and south poles no longer escape.

This suggests that heat is created by interaction of MASS with a longitudinal from outer space. The longitudinal wave itself, having no radiation emissions, or scatter, appears to be at least implied as lossless. If it is kinetic movement, in the longitudinal wave, and the vacuum does provide no resistance, then this may explain why it travels at a greater propogation rate through that medium, in comparison to an atmosphere which has high amount of rotation , caused by the planet rotation itself and the kinetic energy of particles moving in the aether.

Indeed, light speed (186,000mi/sec) waves would be produced in the fashion of deflection of magnetic orbits, and longitudinal waves of higher speed would be produced in mediums with no deflection, such as the vacuum of space. The wave becomes dark and invisible until interacting with matter.

It is in my approximation why the Moon should also have no reflections.

Lets not forget the important note of the kinetic I have made. If the longitudinal wave is a spinning twirling wave (much like our electricity), than our efforts are surely not in vain. If the resistance of the vacuum of space is significantly low, and we know it is, because it has a negative temperature in Celsius, even when "sun waves" travel through it. IS this not proof already that transverse waves are produced by reflection? And is it not enough proof already Light IS reflection? Maybe not... so I will continue a little further...

IF the resistance in the vacuum is 0, and that is what is causing the longitudinal wave to be invisible, and the moving particles in the vacuum ARE resistance to the longitudinal wave that IS invisible, then the kinetic energy of waves from the sun, or any electrical conductor are PRESERVED in the vacuum.

Behold how and why Tesla really could have achieved a means of "transmitting electricity absolutely regardless of distance". If indeed, the sun is transferring it's longitudinal wave energy into the atmosphere across the entire span of the orbit radius of earth without loss, then it represents a great victory of proof for Tesla's longitudinal wave. It also explains why in Tesla's biography he explains his vision of the sun, before drawing his alternating current diagram and 4 quadrant motor & Transformer system. Perhaps a little hidden mesage from Tesla. If his comments that his flying saucers "were befitting of king solomon" wasn't?

Anyway... Now I'm waffling but I'm significantly glad my previous post was not entirely in vain.

Keep up the good work Eric, David, Peter. I'm sorry that my musings are without basis and usefulness occasionally. In the case of this though I hope I provide a tunnel of some kind. (if you forgive the pun)

To summarise I think atmospheric density and a regular lenz and/or light sensor ought to give results by amplitude of the light alone..... If I am right then high density == high amplification of light....... Density or impulse density == amplification/luminescence concentration. If luminescence was a function of the kinetic energy of the wave rotation, and the interacting particulate matter (in this case the atmosphere or a compartment within a telescope that sits directly in between the test medium and the lenz. It's well worth nothing this might suggest that all telescopes are looking at a "particle reaction" rather than an "particle existence".

Sure, it's quantum physics, but I have muted faith in many of these so called faculties of science. If they were called faculties of interdependent natural philosophy I'd be happier. Not knowing such a thing held me back a decade in my understanding, I'm only 28. But I am serious.

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Off topic, so I'll make this short.

Yes, the Hubble Mirrors Optical Array by Perkin-Elmer are heated to a constant 15deg Celsius which is why it doesn't do Inferred.

Yes, the Optical Array is open to the vacuum of space with no optical obstruction of a clear enclosure for the highest resolution.

No, light does not only manifest as observable when in contact with a gaseous atmosphere, otherwise lights refraction, reflection and diffusion's from every molecule or atom resulting in enormous spectral flare would never travel very far and we would be living in a glowing radiant fog. Your own gel filled eye in the vitreous humor would become a solid white opacity like a large cataract.

Does light only manifest as observable when contacting an optical medium with a high-index of refraction? Is yet to be determined do to the fact, that which is observing will always have an optical medium prior to the receiving array.

Example: Cornea-Retina, Optical lens - CMOS array, Optical lens - film.

The only true test would be a geometric optical arrangement using no mediums of gas or solid before the receiving array, such as a pin hole camera as your lens, photographic paper, film or raw CMOS chip as your receiving array all open to the vacuum of space.

Yes, you can see the sun and stars from space with current mediums I just discussed. It's a matter of camera "f stop" and aperture settings, I can whiteout or blackout the back round of any visual arrangement using these basic settings.

Observe the Milky Way, the stars and our own Sun from space with correct camera settings.
Great video to put most of this confusion all to rest.
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The extra coil raising the resonant frequency of the resonant transformer(Pri + Sec) is great. This is what I am looking for. This result means that the extra coil is exhibiting an inductive reactance, indicating its operation is a little beyond its quarter wave frequency. The shunt ring capacitor exists to tune this magnetic component out. Thereby derived is a condition of consonant resonance which both secondary and extra coils are in tune.

Also, do not use L.E.D. use small incandescent lamps like the #327, #44, or #42 number lamps. Use Ne2H lamps as the voltage probes, a neon wire lead lamp on the end of a stick. The coils need to be supplied with enough power to light a neon lamp along the coil. Also, the tiny incandescent lamp with an exploring coil is a good M.M.F. probe. With these the standing wave distribution can be studied on these coils.

In basic terms, if a transmission structure can support travelling and standing waves, a set of relations exist.

1) If the line is quarter wave resonant, the sending impedance is resistive, at the resonant frequency.

2) If the line is operated at a frequency of less than that of the quarter wave frequency, the sending end impedance is capacitive.

3) If the line is operated at a frequency higher than the quarter wave resonant frequency, the sending end of the line is inductive.

4) In order to establish a quarter wave resonance, this within an eighth wave up, or down, span of frequencies around this resonant frequency, two conditions must be met.

One is that the sending end impedance must be LESS than the characteristic impedance of the line.

Second is that the far end impedance must be greater than the characteristic impedance of the line. This is to say, the far end admittance must be less than the characteristic admittance of the line.

When a line is operated at an eighth wavelength it has the property of converting the far end impedance to a resistance equaling the magnitude of the far end impedance, this at the sending end of the line. Marconi used this in his flat top at KET Bolinas, and to a certain extent this may be happening in the Colorado Springs extra coil, but only if expressed in a luminal velocity base. Read Steinmetz, "Oscillations of the Compound Circuit", in "Impulses, Waves, and Discharges", very important info on the refraction and reflection of waves at the transition between two independent transmission structures (or coils).

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Off topic, so I'll make this short.

Yes, the Hubble Mirrors Optical Array by Perkin-Elmer are heated to a constant 15deg Celsius which is why it doesn't do Inferred.

Yes, the Optical Array is open to the vacuum of space with no optical obstruction of a clear enclosure for the highest resolution.

No, light does not only manifest as observable when in contact with a gaseous atmosphere, otherwise lights refraction, reflection and diffusion's from every molecule or atom resulting in enormous spectral flare would never travel very far and we would be living in a glowing radiant fog. Your own gel filled eye in the vitreous humor would become a solid white opacity like a large cataract.

Does light only manifest as observable when contacting an optical medium with a high-index of refraction? Is yet to be determined do to the fact, that which is observing will always have an optical medium prior to the receiving array.

Example: Cornea-Retina, Optical lens - CMOS array, Optical lens - film.

The only true test would be a geometric optical arrangement using no mediums of gas or solid before the receiving array, such as a pin hole camera as your lens, photographic paper, film or raw CMOS chip as your receiving array all open to the vacuum of space.

Yes, you can see the sun and stars from space with current mediums I just discussed. It's a matter of camera "f stop" and aperture settings, I can whiteout or blackout the back round of any visual arrangement using these basic settings.

Observe the Milky Way, the stars and our own Sun from space with correct camera settings.
Great video to put most of this confusion all to rest.
Yes, you can see the Sun and Stars from space! To the Contrary. - YouTube

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This will forever debated. There is one problem with the video, the ISIS orbits within the thermoshpere, lots of UV radiation and ionization.

The heating of the mirror is reduce thermal stress and warping, in the thin atmosphere and even beyond the exosphere the temperature fluctuations due to EM radiation will cause constant flexing and warping of the mirror. I also wouldn't use it as way to determine the answer to the question of visible light.

There are many papers on ES to EM waves and the resultant visible light due to this converting energy, however most of the work is classified. While an atmosphere is not a requirement for light, it is a requirement for specific wavelengths of visible light.

what is overlooked in my opinion is the conjugate paring of EM waves and how that arises. ES waves are FTL, that's not even a debated point in physics, however there is a caveat that information within an ES wave can not violate relativity and thus an ES wave is hidden due to the converting to an EM and C velocity. And that's another classified area of research.

So lets say the waves emitted by the sun are ES, at any boundary transition they will convert to EM. So any inhomogeneous boundary of gas or radiation, or EM wave there occurs a convergence and transition state of the traveling ES wave. Interaction of the aluminum or gold nano layers on the transparent medium of the shuttle windows or helmets provide this boundary, the hubble mirror also has nano layers of metals to enhance UV reflection, this too will be a source field for the transition.

Bottom line, we can't truly measure this when the measurement effects the result so dramatically.

here's a hint, look into the exposure times for celestial bodies and stars.
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Yes and no, you can print via, cutepdf and then upload the pdf. or do a prntscrn (print screen) and crop, edit upload the jpg file.

This site itself is highly restricted on fonts and format for some reason.
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From the original email I received from Tom Brown and other references I found on this subject, it isn't necessarily that an atmosphere is required but just something that can receive and re-emit the light. For practical purposes, it would most likely be the molecules in our atmosphere from our frame of reference.

Visible light (the light "wave" or whatever you want to call it) is not directly visible. We know this is so because the space between the sun and the other planets in our solar system is pitch black. The space between the stars is pitch black. That's the first clue. Only when it hits something is there evidence that it exists.

It seems that there is also no such thing as reflected light - possibly. Light is only absorbed and then re-emitted and this is technically different from a reflection. For practical purposes this is what a reflection is, but technically, it is a re-emission. And when we see this re-emission when the light "hits" something, that is what we see - it is at the surface of the re-emitter and not in the space between that and the eye. We see what light hits but we don't see the light itself "traveling".

So with regular glass, there isn't much "reflection". But if a camera lens is behind a glass with some material that allows the light to hit it and be re-emitted, that is what the camera would be picking up and not the direct light from the stars, etc...

Even right here on Earth, we can take a bright flashlight and go into the pitch black - turn it on and shine it on something - wall, tree, whatever. You can only see the light re-emitted (minus losses I suppose) from the surface of what you're shining it on. You cannot see the light between the object and the transmitter. Sometimes you can see the light but that isn't really the light itself traveling, that is hitting dust particles and other molecules in the air that is absorbing and re-emitting the light but the light itself is invisible without something to "bounce" off of.

If that was not the case, then all the space between the stars would be lit up and we probably wouldn't be able to tell where the actual stars are - even though the position of the stars we see are where they were many years ago.

Also, we would never have a dark night. If the light itself was directly visible, when we are on the dark side of the Earth, the sunlight is still passing right pass the Earth and our entire night sky in outer space would be lit up. It would be bright as day. We look up and it is black at night even though we're directly looking at plenty of "light waves" "leaving" the sun streaming right past the Earth, but they're all completely invisible to us.

So the question to clarify what is really being asked isn't if stars are visible from outer space, but is visible light directly visible? The answer is no - only when it hits a surface that re-emits the light can it be visible but the light between the transmitter and receiver are invisible.

For any light to be visible in space from space, only light that is hitting some kind of surface that is able to receive and re-emit the light can be seen whether it is some kind of filter or whatever. With the atmosphere for example, that was described as something the light wave can "percuss" off of. That might be the exact word Tom Brown used - that was several months back.

For more on light, there is something very interesting in the Borderlands materials - not sure how to reference it right now but it is about Goethe's color spectrum ideas that a prism doesn't split the light and that it is actually more circular in nature... If I can find the title to this work and the experiments that prove that a prism does not split light, I'll post it - very, very interesting. Newton was wrong and Goethe was right - so it seems.
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Yes and no, you can print via, cutepdf and then upload the pdf. or do a prntscrn (print screen) and crop, edit upload the jpg file. This site itself is highly restricted on fonts and format for some reason.
Thank you madhatter: I have done PrtScr, scanning in, cropping and turning it into jpg files but it takes too much time and cumbersome. I was hoping that there was an easy direct method.
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Thank you madhatter: I have done PrtScr, scanning in, cropping and turning it into jpg files but it takes too much time and cumbersome. I was hoping that there was an easy direct method.
cutepdf is a virtual printer, it'll print your files to PDF. that's one option. If you have office 2010 there is a save as PDF without needing cutepdf, you can also link to a word doc. But in all honesty even with adobe CS there are multiple steps needed to get to what you want.

If the forum had less restrictions on format this wouldn't be needed. I'd live to be able add in LaTex format instead of constant attachments.
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Thank you madhatter: I have done PrtScr, scanning in, cropping and turning it into jpg files but it takes too much time and cumbersome. I was hoping that there was an easy direct method.
Like madhatter suggested, I use print screen. However, you seem to actually be printing a hard copy? You can skip that step. After pressing print screen, go back to MS Paint and then go to Edit > paste. It will paste the screen capture into Paint, then you can crop it down to size. From there personally I save it as bmp then open it in Paint Shop Pro 8 to save a copy as jpg, because the MS Paint jpg conversion is pretty terrible.
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1) I here maintain the axiom that no primary light exists in free space. Instead it is primary induction, a process of a line of force. The particles of physics are only mere broken holdfasts of a torn loose end of a line of induction, the particle movement an action of stretching, or a contracting line of force, to which it is bound.

2) The basic dilemma is if there is no luminal light then what is it that occurs in the transmission space and transmission time that gives rise to the transmission process of energy from the sun being received on Earth in the form of luminal energy in Ergs? It is a phantom, and in a way so is so called mutual induction. Steinmetz gives his idea that "radiation pressure" and mutual magnetic repulsions are one in the same. So let us say that this process is called "Rays of Electric Induction." This sounds a little like "Cosmic Rays", but no distinctions are made here.

3) Here it can be inferred that the propagation constant one over c squared bears no relation to this induction. However the secondary electro-magnetic reactions are directly related to one over c squared and give rise to the false impression that "light" from the stars propagates in that manner, hence the 8 minute lag (hysteresis) from sun to earth. By this reasoning it can be postulated that the propagation constant for primary induction is Undefined.

This is to say, no time lag may exist in a primary propagation, it can only be instantaneous. Einstein is calling 911!!

Here is the relativity shattering concept that it does not take eons of time for "light" to reach us from distant stars and galactic formations. This not only aborts relativity but serves as an iconoclastic concept upon modern degenerate society as a whole! Remember that relativity, cubism, atonal music were all vanguards to social degeneration. Then the "Great Wars" came about to lay a fertile and cultivated ground for the queek society of the present age, Dot Communism.

4) With the knowledge available to us it would seem that the Tesla or Alexanderson systems serve as the only possible experimental demonstration of propagation not related to one over c squared. Hence the Crystal Radio Initiative. Who will be the first HAM radio operator to light a 100 watt lamp on the energy supplied by a local A.M. broadcast station? That would do it. The moonbounce idea seems to have taken a squat. But wave interference on the bench can also demonstrate super luminal velocity. I maintain that it is not a velocity at all, it is not the ratio of space(miles) to time(hour).

In counterspace the relation is counter-velocity. Here is not miles, but now is PER MILE, like loading coils on a phone line. Counter velocity then is in the dimensions of PER MILE x HOUR.

5) Finally everything here considered is based upon a double energy transient, magnetic interacting with dielectric in the dimension of time, that is to say, a WAVE. But what if it is a single energy transient, then there is no wave but only a uni-directional impulse, this indefinite in the dimension of time. This sounds like a "Ray of Induction".

6) As a side note: I was [resent when Tomb Brown undertook the investigation of the "No Stars In Space" story. I derived the impression from seeing it in action that it is a fact that no stars can be seen in free space, removed from the physical and electrical influence of bodies existing in space.

As for the government labs, that is its own epic tale, JPL, L. Livermore labs etc. Look up a Mr. Parsons who started Jet Propulsion Laboratories. No one in these institutions would ever let the public know that stars cannot be seen in space. The very foundations of science are based upon this notion.

But this is not to say that NASA or the USN would not move forward with a new understanding with an appropriate security classification. In either case it is a chapter from "Occult Science Dictatorship" by William Lyne. This is by far the best expression for the scenarios given here.

73 DE N6KPH

P.S. Viewing in space is through a diffraction process on the viewing window, then everything is visible . Also see "Cosmic Superimposition" by Wilhelm Reich.
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It's not dead for me, I haven't really got started on that yet. The plan was to gather construction/design tips from things learned with the small coil before starting a big one for radio reception. I also need to move some of the setup out to the shed where the garden (earth) will be more accessible and I can set up the 17 ground rods star formation thing, I think the flat spiral is indicating about the maximum I can get out of the current situation and if that's anything to go by then lighting a 28V #327 bulb will be impossible with it.

Are there any particular specifications for an "exploring coil"? Did some more tests yesterday, including a quick test using an "Avramenko plug" with 4 LEDs in series as the load. There are two resonant frequency points, and the AV plug acts differently with each one around the secondary. I have graphs of both resonant frequency points with the extra coil connected anyway so I'll post those shortly.
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cutepdf is a virtual printer, it'll print your files to PDF. that's one option. If you have office 2010 there is a save as PDF without needing cutepdf, you can also link to a word doc. But in all honesty even with adobe CS there are multiple steps needed to get to what you want.

If the forum had less restrictions on format this wouldn't be needed. I'd live to be able add in LaTex format instead of constant attachments.
Elements of the Human Body/Pattern/Process

Over on this thread they managed to post an .xls file as a .doc by changing the extention. This might work if you can keep the file size small enough.


And the CRI is still active over here. Just one problem.. but I'm working on it.

My first two attempts at soldering 4sqin of copper failed (primary capacitor to primary). Burnt flux and black copper just won't do. Then after a few hours of testing outside I discovered my ground connection was not soldered properly. It held together fine but when I heated to desolder there was no solder on the connecting strip. Ok two tiny specs of solder. Hardly a good connection.


But slow and steady lights the bulb.

Are there any clues that would let us know we have acheived a proper ground?
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Over on this thread they managed to post an .xls file as a .doc by changing the extention. This might work if you can keep the file size small enough.


And the CRI is still active over here. Just one problem.. but I'm working on it.

My first two attempts at soldering 4sqin of copper failed (primary capacitor to primary). Burnt flux and black copper just won't do. Then after a few hours of testing outside I discovered my ground connection was not soldered properly. It held together fine but when I heated to desolder there was no solder on the connecting strip. Ok two tiny specs of solder. Hardly a good connection.


But slow and steady lights the bulb.

Are there any clues that would let us know we have acheived a proper ground?
Take a 6" copper rod and sink it in the ground, use a meter to measure the resistance between the rod and your ground connection.
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This was the setup in the previous test, condenser rings capacitance measured at 11.8pF to tune the secondary to 3670 kc.



With the extra coil, the required capacitance is measured at 12.59pF. Set up as so:



Two resonant peaks found with the rings set at 12.59pF, 3670 kc reading 22.7mV, and 2344.2 kc reading 41.3mV.

(The previously mentioned "unreliable" test with the AV plug seemed to show the opposite in terms of light output vs measured voltage).

Assuming I calculated it right, taking 70.7% from post #706:

Magnification Factor @ 3670 kc = 90.20524
Magnification Factor @ 2344.2 kc = 110.44

3670 / 2344.2 = 1.565566



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Take a 6" copper rod and sink it in the ground, use a meter to measure the resistance between the rod and your ground connection.
Really? That seems to easy. So just like 12" away so the meter leads can reach?
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