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Old 06-19-2012, 12:56 AM
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Quiet? Hardly!

QUOTE=T-rex;198338]Too Quiet Here

With all the material I have provided, this for one year now, why has it not created any activity here. Little comes back out of this effort to promote any advancement in understanding. What is there to maintain my interest?

It did get my car back in shape and a replacement PRC 47.

It would seem "Sparks" has figured it all out. Great! Perhaps he can begin in a series of writings here to explain in an engineer's terms his understanding.

73 DE N6KPH[/QUOTE]

Eric,
Time makes us all equal, you are up the curve where we are not and we are learning from you and for most this is all new as they are just beginning.

Appreciate very much all of the Integratron detail and a new learning curve there as well.
MIT Pulse Generators V5 is an excellent document and have uploaded this one to 'n6kph' for those interested.
It shows me how to downconvert charged oil filled caps into pulse transformers where I believe I have 'Energy Synthesis' displayed using Thyratrons.

'Fence Antenna' Experiment:
This is the simple Crystal Set probe head that I displayed earlier, two 1N34s and a 500pF capacitor into hi impedance Headphones, NO COILS.

I am finding that anything of a metallic nature in my area is charged with this AM EM Hertzian signal at the frequency of 1.557 Mhz.
This includes not only the fenceline at various intensity levels but also anything metallic, house tin roof, motor vehicles, crossbracing on carport, metal objects in yard in general.
What I am now finding is that the Ground Plane under the 'Crystal Set Iniative' is now very loud compared to day one just as if something has allowed this energy to build in size from the Telluric side.

I have noticed that the ORP (Oxidation Reduction Potential) of my hot water system in the Lab which is turned OFF is very high at -800mV where all other water levels are at +250 mV which is normal.
The Lab water is isolated from 'artificial electricity' where the other is used as a grounding path.

CHASING THE HIGH ORP

Will be doing the test exercises today on the 3 Extra Coils and the Secondary as I still have a problem with your Extra Math and disagree with its result as it does not match Tesla's at CSprings.

You are very interested in your disclosures but not interested in the results that are being achieved that may question your own findings.

My setup is using your p1/2 relationship but gives the Secondary and Extra as being of equal length and have the coil resonant at that frequency and why it is radiating and can be received through wet air some 20" away.
From what I can see is that I have a working, passive TMT.

Has anyone else checked with a Crystal Set probe head and Headphones to hear what their Extra is doing?
You will hear very little unless you have a 50kW blanket AM transmitter in close proximity.

I have completed some Math on Tesla's 3 coils with respect to 'Copper Mass' and 'Copper Surface Area' and will present those findings shortly and it will show the errors that people are making in their Tesla replications.

On September 22/23 Tesla was noting that the Primary and Secondary needed to be equal but this is clearly NOT the case on October 4th as he clearly states that his Secondary was 'not vibrating freely' and as a consequence began some major changes.
This is the same time he was beginning to hang his balls, so to speak.
October 5th - 'Res. of secondary 17 turns 2.804 ohms'.
Turn 20 on my system is 'dead', where turn 17 is 'alive'.

'Notes On The Crystal Set', your words:
It is all there, look at it, not the diversions, and remember everything you thought was Tesla is the exact opposite. It is there; one or two turn primary; a 20% height/width secondary; and a 100% height/width extra coil, all there, wire size, turns, all there, can you find it?

Yes, we can and have done so but you are not responding and that is all I ask of you.
Quiet? Hardly!
'If you look for only what you want to see then you will be missing out on the unseen'.

Thanks.

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Use a variable capacitors to fine tune the inductive p. tesla coil or loop on resonance frequency . (extra butterfly or dual capacitor can give better SWR
however i did not use it by so for got good SWR with just the parallel capacitor. this sytem replace a `normal`antenna tunner .

do not use normal antenna tuners. it will blow up amplifiers . i use mostly 200mWatt or about 24dBm to see if the systems work .
"Are we saying that it's impossible to damage any radio transmitter by having a “bad” load? No, not at all. You can torch almost any transmitter by putting a dead short on it. And you can fry most modern radios by having an open circuit on them, as well, mainly by over-voltage of the output transistors. But it is NOT the SWR that does the damage! NEVER NEVER NEVER. A transmitter always sees an IMPEDANCE; it never sees an SWR. And don't ever forget it. "

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Quiet, A bit. been busy acquiring stuff off ebay, now to get onto the power supply side.


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It is a lower case epsilon, ϵ, dielectric constant of the space around the coil.
I don't get it. I have numbers like 7327.84861% 1 is obviously wrong and so is 2.71828.

8.854187817620 x 10^-12 doesn't work either, not least I think because it's Farad/metre and the equations are in inches. 8.85... x materials constant from the list above doesn't yield any reasonable results either. I have no idea what value it's supposed to have. Can someone please advise?

Also what is the 2.54 x 10^-12 about in equation (2)? How is it supposed to be applied? I'm having to use the Radiotron version in cm.

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Unless defined by the writer Epsilon naught is the vacuum permittivity: Vacuum permittivity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

also it has a mathmatical meaning as well:
ε₀ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or it can be any definition as defined by the author, in one of the cases above it's prescribed to the natural log, base e:
Natural logarithm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Euler number - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
e - Euler's number

Then we get into Eulers equation: Euler's identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thanks but I can't seem to get any sense out of whatever I try. Tried all kinds of things I've been reading about, converting them to imperial etc etc, I just get ridiculous numbers as the result.

[edit] I'm doing it in MS Excel and when doing Tesla's velocity of the wave around the earth calculation before it became obvious that Excel gave a different result to a calculator, the units in Excel had to be converted into radians for the answers to match. So I just realised something like that could be going on here Spent the best part of today and yesterday trying to figure this little number out
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I'm stuck. Can someone please explain what this highlighted symbol means? Below it is the only thing I was able to find in Condensed Intro To Tesla Transformers page 28, but I have no idea what value it's supposed to have or anything? It's also there again on page 26.



1 / SQRT(mü*epsilon) = v

[mü] = Farad/m
[epsilon] = Henry/m
[v] = m/s

i.e.

1 / SQRT(1.256*10^-6 Henry/m * 8.854*10^-12 Farad/m) = 2.9987*10^-8 m/s = 299870 km/s
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:30 AM
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Extra Coil Test

Extra Coils Test:
Signal Generator:
Wavetek Model 191 Pulse FG 20Mhz
Frequency Meter: Sinometer VC3165 0.1 Hz ~ 2.4 Ghz

Extra Coil #1 14awg 54 turns (50.3 calculated) 'The 'Accidental Coil' as I was aware the Secondary and the Extra should be about the same length.
Adjust = 130mm 5.125"
Volts imput = 295mV + 10db output attenuation
Fpeak = 2369.5 Khz (1557 Khz *pi/2 = 2.445.7 Khz) close and needs to lose some turns.
Cvar = 300 pF
Height above Ground Plane = 12.75"

Extra Coil #2 21 awg 125 turns including 1 extra turn - Eric's Math which I am disputing.
Adjust = 65mm
Volts input = 820 mV + 10db output attenuation
Fpeak = 1024.9 Khz
Cvar = 267 pF
Height = 14"

Extra Coil #3 Same as #1 but 11 awg and 56 turns
Adjust = 70mm
Fpeak = 2650.9 Khz - needs to have turns pruned back to about the 50 and would also expect Volts to reduce as well.
Volts input = 780mV + 10db attenuation
Cvar = 212 pf
Height = 12.125"

Hands up those that can see the problem?
Some Math about 1557 Khz - what do you want to do?
Go to the high side of the 1557 or the low side where it is a cow to tune and you are working on the tail end of the Luminal wave and not at the beginning - See my drawing.
1557 *pi/2 = 2.445.7 where I am working.
1557 /(pi/2) = 991.2 Khz where you are working - see Extra Coil #2 at 1024.9 Khz - only a 34 Hz discrepancy.

Hands up all those that have produced the 1N34 pickup head into high impedance Headphones and are able to receive a signal through the air for nothing coming from your Extra Coil some 10 " away without using some large metal receiving antenna where I am using a pin head?

I repeat:
The Secondary and the Extra are the same length!
I have a working passive TMT, you don't!

All of this was displayed at 'n6kph' where you were supposed to be operating and now I feel I am just wasting my time here and you have the audacity to question how 'quiet' we all are!

I will set up some means of charting the Field Intensity Meter but the peak is of a high 'Q' nature and really is not going to reveal much.
Will do Secondary tomorrow after tuning # 1 and #3 for turn peaks for frequency match.

Last pic is of an integrated Capacitor into the Primary which I am not quite happy about and needs strap connections which I have not done as yet.
At least I now have tuning capability on the Primary.

Tried to put up full size pics but not obvious how that is done - Later.
Just feel I am wasting my time.

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Extra Coil Test

Had the pics in order but are not presented in that manner.
First pic is # 3 My 2nd
Second is # 1 My 1st
Third is # 2 Eric's Math

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Those photos of RCA Bolinas are amazing, those fractals are beautiful!

DrGreen,
If you have a number in Farads per meter and you want the answer in farads per inch you multiply by meter per inch and the meters cancel.
Eg; Farads per meter * meters per inch
So the number you'd multiply is 0.0254, giving the vacuum permittivity as 2.2489X10^-13 Farads per inch

I'll convert this to equation images when I get home. Does this help your numbers at all?

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1 / SQRT(mü*epsilon) = v

[mü] = Farad/m
[epsilon] = Henry/m
[v] = m/s

i.e.

1 / SQRT(1.256*10^-6 Henry/m * 8.854*10^-12 Farad/m) = 2.9987*10^-8 m/s = 299870 km/s
The answer = a few billion %

I'll have to take a closer look at this Excel business and try the equations on paper instead to see if it's doing anything stupid. Even using something stupid like ϵ = 0.00000000001 just to see what would happen resulted in over 3000% So something is not right somewhere.
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DrGreen,
If you have a number in Farads per meter and you want the answer in farads per inch you multiply by meter per inch and the meters cancel.
Eg; Farads per meter * meters per inch
So the number you'd multiply is 0.0254, giving the vacuum permittivity as 2.2489X10^-13 Farads per inch

I'll convert this to equation images when I get home. Does this help your numbers at all?

Raui
Thanks for the effort but that doesn't work either. The way I did it was this

=(8.85418781762*POWER(10,-12))/39.3700787

But both give the same answer so at least that seems to be right. I'm not convinced that it's not an Excel issue at this point. Started the equations from scratch three times and spent countless hours changing things and putting equations and sums in separate boxes in case it's not working out properly by all being in the same box etc, still getting nowhere with it.
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Presenting Pictures Full Size

Aaron,
Is there anyway you can assist here to make the presentation of pictures made easier by click and drag method without using a 3rd Party for hosting the pics?

Eric needs to see a full picture and all I/we can provide are Thumbnails which he is unable to see from where he connects in to the site.

Have also noted today that I had to delete previous uploaded thumbnails to make room for today's pics and these I would think have now been lost from the system.

Hope you can help.

Smokey
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Attaching the drawing I made of the Luminal point where the Extra Coil is working or should be working at.
As you can see from the diagram, Eric's is before the frequency of concern where mine is after and also gives the correct length for the Extra.
Looking at this from what I presented earlier and was talking of 1/8 and 1/4 wave and that is now confusing and please disregard.
Will attempt to explain it so it can be understood clearly and working on that now.

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I use ImageShack® - On line Photo and Video Hosting

When you click on "Share It" for an image it gives different links for thumbnails or full size etc......
Hi dr-Green:
Sorry to bother you. I signed up for the basic service as you recommended. I can upload my pictures but can't transfer them to the forum web page. I don't seems to have the "Share it" function. What I have is
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create slide show
post to blog
exit images
mark as private
mark as public
delete
get code for forums
get code for websites
get code for email
add tags
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None of the above allows me to post to this forum.
By the way I am so glad that you are ahead of me and most likely of others with your project. I was afraid I will run into the same problems you are trying to work out for us who follow.
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The answer = a few billion %

I'll have to take a closer look at this Excel business and try the equations on paper instead to see if it's doing anything stupid. Even using something stupid like ϵ = 0.00000000001 just to see what would happen resulted in over 3000% So something is not right somewhere.
Not to worry, try this. Put in cell A1: 1.256E-6 and in A2: 8.854E-12 then use this formula in another cell: =1/sqrt(A1*A2) that should yield: 299,871,658.40

Definitions:
ε0 ≈ 8.854187817620... × 10−12 farads per metre (F·m−1)
µ0 = 4π×10−7 V·s/(A·m) ≈ 1.2566370614...×10−6*H·m−1 or N·A−2 or T·m/A or Wb/(A·m)

The result in the speed of light, must be a typo in the notes above for inches/sec as the result is metric. It can be done in imperial units, it would require all units to be in imperial, not sure why one would do this as SI is metric and going thru to make sure the units are are on equal footing in metric terms is a fair amount to juggle as is.
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I realize there are some real 'heavies' in this thread. That is the only reason I am posting. I won't do it again.

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Extra Coil Calculations and Experiments

1) Tesla, Colorado Springs Notes. Final Extra Coil is found on page 318;
Diameter, 8.4 feet
Length, 8.0 feet
Number of turns, 100 numeric

Now, convert this to meters;
Diameter, 2.55 meter
Length, 2.42 meter

To find the total wire length, mean length of turn multiplied by number of turns;
Coil Circumference, 8.0 meter
Total Wire Length, 800 meter

This establishes the luminal quarter wavelength. The whole wave is hence:
Lambda equals 3200 meters

Dividing this into the velocity of light in meters per second gives
94 Kilocycles per second

This result is the luminal resonant frequency of an equivalent TEM line. We will call this frequency 100 percent luminal velocity.

2) Tesla, Colorado SPrings Notes, page 357, Extra Coil Grounded at neutral end, lamp as capacity terminal. Frequency of resonance is given as:
93.7 Kilocycles/sec
Near 100 percent luminal

3) Tesla, Colorado Springs Notes, page 363, extra coil free with a 38cm end capacitance. The resonant frequency is given as
116.3 Kilocycles/sec
near 124% Luminal

4) Here given by Tesla for the least coupling to the extra coil is 124% luminal velocity. For a "square" coil the free space velocity is 187% the velocity of light. The measured reduction, or retardation, is a result of the dielectric material which supports the coiled windings. The value 124% is seen to agree here in the experiments given by:
1) Geometric Algebra
2) Dr. Green
3) Nhopa
4) Nikola Tesla

All have been burdened to the same extent by dielectric influence and stray lead capacitance.

The challenge here, as was faced by Tesla, is how to make this "self-capacitance" even smaller. Every connecting lead and nearby insulator burdens the coil. The coil form itself is the principle culprit. Is it possible to free the coil to 157%? I did it once with a "PIDUX"air wound coil held together with 6 plastic rods, no more. In conclusion we have now an experimentally verified propagation constant of 124%, the rest is engineering.

73 DE N6KPH
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1) Dr. Green #718

The first use of Epsilon, or Eta, is the dielectric constant in Farads per length, this length is in inches, meters, miles, whatever, Viagra or what not. It then couples with Mu the magnetic constant in Henry per length, same consideration.

The second use of Epsilon, and only Epsilon, is the natural log base. It is ALWAYS accompanied by an exponent. In math it is called base e, but e is potential in electricity.

For the velocity V as the inverse square root of the product Mu and Epsilon, this is best given as the Percent velocity of light, then Mu and Epsilon are equal to unity in Free Space. Now in this manner Mu and Epsilon are the Magnetic Permeability and the Dielectric Permittivity respectively. Thus Iron has a Mu of 1000 or 10-C Transformer Oil has an Epsilon of 2.2 for example. I wrote extensively on this in past writings here on the forum. As for units of length most American coil calculations are in inches. Steinmetz uses centimeters and miles. Tesla uses feet and pure C.G.S. units, no Henry or Farad! Physics uses meters, Kennelly uses Kilometers, it is immaterial!

2) D. Dawson #732

Here we are told that everyone is a useless piece of sh*t, even Tesla at times. What am I supposed to say? No useful coil dimensions or diagrams have yet been provided, so I can say nothing, that is until irritated into T-Rex. Then I bite. Show it work!

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4) Here given by Tesla for the least coupling to the extra coil is 124% luminal velocity. For a "square" coil the free space velocity is 187% the velocity of light. The measured reduction, or retardation, is a result of the dielectric material which supports the coiled windings. The value 124% is seen to agree here in the experiments given by:
1) Geometric Algebra
2) Dr. Green
3) Nhopa
4) Nikola Tesla

All have been burdened to the same extent by dielectric influence and stray lead capacitance.

The challenge here, as was faced by Tesla, is how to make this "self-capacitance" even smaller. Every connecting lead and nearby insulator burdens the coil. The coil form itself is the principle culprit. Is it possible to free the coil to 157%? I did it once with a "PIDUX"air wound coil held together with 6 plastic rods, no more. In conclusion we have now an experimentally verified propagation constant of 124%, the rest is engineering.

73 DE N6KPH
With the smaller 4mHz coil sets I built one gets 157% the other 150%
capacitance is the biggest bugger of a battle, just being near the coils skews it!

I had put it aside wks ago and dusted it off this afternoon to do some quick measurements again and noticed an interesting effect when pulsing the primary, it would induce a slow transient on the extra coil that took a few seconds to harmonically dissipate.

When I can get back to this project I need to spend time getting the two sets matched together.

Thanks again Eric for the guidance and feedback.
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2) D. Dawson #732

Here we are told that everyone is a useless piece of sh*t, even Tesla at times. What am I supposed to say? No useful coil dimensions or diagrams have yet been provided, so I can say nothing, that is until irritated into T-Rex. Then I bite. Show it work!

Smokey please.

Stop the childish rant and that is not what my Post inferred in anyway whatsoever.

All my data was provided freely at 'n6kph' where we all thought you were going to be.

Extra Coil Calculations and Experiments:
Excellent and I agree 100%.
Now go and do the same for the SECONDARY as I will repeat from 'n6kph':

SECONDARY #2:
Tesla's first did not work being too small in diameter:
Began with 37 turns (to match number of wires in Primary core) but eventually reduced to 17 turns as Tesla stated 'secondary was not vibrating freely' - Page 205/6 October 4/5.

Diameter is 15 meters - Page 193 = 49.21' Same as Primary
Radius = 24.61'
1 Turn = 154.606'
Length = 2*3.14*(49.21/2)*17 = 2628.3' = 801.1 meters

Hey now, where have I seen that figure before?

OK, Eric Dollard in his post on the 'Extra Coil Calculations and Experiments'800 meter' for the EXTRA COIL.

THE EXTRA COIL AND SECONDARY ARE OF THE SAME LENGTH!

Your 'Tentative Extra Coil Dimensions' is wrong as it gives a length that is about 2.5 times what it should be.
In my case using a fequency of 1557 Khz, your calculation gives a length for the Extra of 76.1 meters where it should be the same as the Secondary at 30.8 meters.
Look at my chart of the waveform, it shows where you are working which is at the end of the wave peak where I am working at the beginning of the wave peak.

I proved all of this yesterday with the 3 Extra Coil calculations under signal input conditions where your peak was evident at about 990 Khz on the WRONG side of the 1557 Khz which makes your coil too long in length.

My method shows me working at the correct 1557 *pi/2 at the 2446 Khz point ABOVE my frequency.
2446*4 = 9782.9 Khz which calculates out at 30.65 meters which equals Secondary length.

THE SECONDARY AND EXTRA COIL ARE OF THE SAME LENGTH!

What more do I have to do to show you and others that your calculation is wrong?

If I do not get some positive results from anybody here tomorrow I will leave and allow you to continue and waste your time.

Eric,
If this is the Math you have been using then I am not surprised that you got sidetracked into the CIG as that is a neat novelty but is a toy.
Your efforts would be better directed towards what Tesla was attempting to provide and that was 'Energy Synthesis' which means a type of free energy that was available to everyone, everywhere and remote from any Grid.
That was why I came here but all to no avail as nobody is going to listen.

If you are not able to calm yourself down for 5 minutes to digest the Math then I am wasting my time here.
Goodbye!

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Thank you T-Rex, Eric P. Dollard for your important work and personal sacrifices into the development of the Wireless Power & researches into Primary & Secondary Fields and the important phenomenon of separate dielectric and magnetic fields.

Also I have noted your relentless and unceasing coverage and writings of the Bolinas facility, The Alexanderson Alternator, and the Multiple Loaded Flat Top Antennae employed by that of the Marconi Wireless System at Bolinas, which you write about being "taken over" by Government Military general rule , R.C.A. Indeed the company for which you worked for in your early life - of which the many devices and equipment you inherited - to later be taken from you or destroyed by the same jurisdictional forces that taken Marconi's wireless company away from him. Such brave actions taken by a man who is surely aware of the direct suppression of the Multiple Loaded Flat Top Antennae employed by the Marconi Wireless system of R.C.A you must have been more than adequately aware of the peril to which you would face by developing it, let alone speaking out about it in your numerous demonstrations at Borderland Sciences in the vast suburban wastelands of California.

Indeed, it must have been hard to be firmly aware of the MLTA, & The Alexanderson System, and the implied capability of the faster-than-light longitudinal of 291,000mi/sec being shared on the same ground antennae system as the transverse 186,000mi/sec light speed propagations, and indeed - living with that affirmed technical and historic knowledge (hell you should know you WORKED at RCA for christ sakes). You have educated me, very well, I think. I have read nearly all of your books, and I am NOT, repeat NOT an Electrical Engineer. I am however a musician.

You always did say didn't you Eric, if your a musician "you should get this immediately". I think most musicians don't get it, but I might. It has been hard, and knowing just a little bit of what you know Eric, it makes it hard to sleep at night. You've my sympathy.

I spoke with David G. Dawson briefly on the N6KPH user group. I am sure you saw my posts. Particularly "Scientists & The Good Guys", this was a story for me that developed from the age of 16. I'm still relatively young. I'm 28 now.

I have studied the works of Edward Leedskalnin and I have also observed how the engineers do talk an awful lot about the importance of the ground terminal, and the ground plane. Thinking back to a Tesla quote "Ere many generations old and new have been led to this discovery by reason or necessity... we find it in the delightful myth of antheus who derives power from the ground, it is just a matter of time until man himself connects his machinery up with the wheelwork of nature". Of course Tesla was talking about the type of waves which cause the OCEANS MASS to move, in the order of trillions of watts a day. Also the type of waves and shadowing of the Sun shining on the earth causing the great winds and lightning storms, even earthquakes, mountains and other variably understood phenomenon. I believe there is a wave that is coming from the moon which interacts with the huge conductor that we call the Ocean - there is few conductors, other than the ground terminal, that features a length and radius of such continuously connected matter. The ocean is a fine example of induced magnetic currents from the poles of the Moon & the Sun, according to Edward Leedskalnin. That is probably why he puts it all over his Coral Castle. It appears in Tesla's "Ere many generations" quote he refering to the moon, and other planets, and their effect on the ocean and other faculties of the aether, such as the established air currents. Much like in the legacy of Viktor Schauberger - they vortex in and they vortex out. I didn't say that, but Chris Carson did.

For those who do not know who Chris Carson is, Chris Carson created a device called the rotary electrostatic transformer. It was allegedly capable of synthesising electrical energy, according to Eric "Some hideous RPM IS KEY". If we consider that a running current, or as Edward Leedskalnin called it "magnetic current" is running at high speed, then a high RPM electrostatic transformer is likely to be affected differently.

In the same way that the air spark gap behaves, when the Tesla MAgnifying Transmitter compresses an increasing number of impulses of a fixed voltage from a capacitor over time. This is akin musically to playing a note of a given amplitude once, then carrying over 40% each impulse (or note) of the wave amplification - many scientists argue that the "dampening effect" causes the thing to shake itself apart before anything usable comes from it. The capacitor, through recirculating currents in the Tesla T.M.T , is capable of putting out the same amount of decibels per discharge, yet the recirculating current (or mutual conductance) of the secondary, appears to pass-back per cycle 40% (e.g. losses are 60% with no load) - and this causes the number of notes, (fixed amplitude discharge) per second.

say:

cycle 1 being 100% (1x) discharge of capacitor or 1 note of fixed amplitude.
cycle 2 being 140% (1.4x) discharge of capacitor of 1.4 note of fixed amplitude
cycle 3 being 196% discharge of capacitor or 1.96 notes etc,etc,

Eventually , in continuous operation this magnifying transmitter is capable of an indefinite increase in the number of discharges by the capacitor (or arks per second in the spark gap), or fixed amplitude notes per second. From a musical perspective alone, reason suggests that more notes is more total amplitude. I have tested this with electronic digital equipment at 960 PPQ and compressed fixed amplitude notes at 120bpm in the semi semi semi semi semi semi semi quaver region. It is akin to a spark in my mind, because I have noted it sounds IDENTICAL to any Tesla coil in operation. High frequency, high pitch, many impulses compressed.

The point being that the T.M.T, even a simple mechanical musical instrument (or resonant chamber) firing a strings sound continuously at standing wave harmonics would be capable of some very extreme amplitudes. I would not dare share it if I was not quite sure about it. I have wanted to contact Eric Dollard more directly for a long time now. Here was my chance. (I'm sorry if this is a bit out there for you Eric). I just wanted to say thank you and summarise some of the great things you've done for humanity. I know they are unthanked. I know I am not an engineer like you and there is some amount of elitism and importance in focus.

The final thing that Eric Dollard has done is convince me that the J. J Thompson Electrons, they are non existent. Edward Leedskalnin explains in his book magnetic current a resounding, fascinating and fool-proof experiment using the method of induction (versus Einsteinian invention), he says that the annode and the cathode are balanced incorrectly which results in the Positive current (which he called North Pole cosmic force) being stronger than the negative current (or what he called the south pole cosmic force). He said that if the electrons really were the base of matter, then you would not expect "individual magnets" (or rather what he meant was fields consisting of individual magnets) to flow through everything. Leedskalnin claimed that this was proof that the electron was a "bigger particle" than the individual magnets from the positive and negative terminal. If we look at transformer theory and how all electricity is generated, indeed we do find magnets north and south pole as the driving force. So this is perhaps not to be quickly dismissed, and should be merely taken as a basic thesis of the components of work.

Taking JJ Thompson to the hills

I decided not to take Edward Leedskalnin at his word, and I did some research further into the rays that appear to be coming from the Sun, (or perhaps Sol is a better euphemism) and I discovered that the Stars and the Sun are not visible outside of an atmosphere. Whilst I am sure regular scientists, and perhaps even engineers have a "vacuum" invention to tell me about how this is so, lets hear my version.

As you rise up in the atmosphere, there is less and less mass, or matter for the rays that leave the sun to interact with. This means there is less and less rotating (moving aether) mass for the cosmic rays to interact with. This results in their being no TRANSVERSE reflections of light. Which is why the Sun and the Stars they are not visible on the moon, because it has no atmosphere, so there is relatively no mass for the eye to see the wave reflecting from. This of course is proof (at least to me) that a NON transverse wave is coming from the Sun, and the stars, regardless of the medium - or at least in the presence of matter the rays of light do not Synchronously mesh with the rotating matter, and as a result - the matter is an obstruction to the traveling longitudinal wave from the sun. Much in the same way a light bulns filament compresses (or rather crowds) the north and south poles individual magnets that are running in the wire and this causes heat and obstructs the flow of the magnets which results in heat, like the sun causes on our atmosphere , and light (what we say is coming from the suns and the stars - but now you can see clearly it isnt).
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In the case of space, the energy from the sun and the stars travels across it in totality (in the form of a wave), this wave travels freely throughout the vacuum of space without causing any heating up of the vacuum of space whatsoever. That is the longitudinal wave form type - no heat, no visible light.

When that longitudinal wave form type leaves the vacuum of space and meets a planet such as earth with an atmosphere or a satellite such as the moon, it reacts with the spinning magnetic orbits of the atmosphere, or in the moons case the matter of its ground radius which form an obstruction to synchronous north and south pole `longitudinal` rotation, which cause both the light and the heat to be generated. This forms a proof that the transverse wave is an EFFECT of a longitudinal wave discharged from the sun reacting with the orbits of matter. This shows that the thing that causes the light bulb to light up was A) the North and South pole running in ANTITHESIS and equal and opposite directions and B) an obstruction to flowing current by the reduction of the conducting medium by which it flows through. We can now see the identical similarities between the transverse light that the north and south pole of electrical batteries and power supplies in comparison to the transverse light that is produced by the Sun and the Stars by reflecting on atmosphere with mass (and orbiting magnetic fields of their own albeit weak).

Light is produced in the same way, by obstruction. In the case of a chemical battery this might suggest that until the transverse light is created a longitudinal wave exists. This may render some explanation to Tesla's claim of being able to turn all transverse reflections "off" at any point in the globe. That must have terrified a lot of the Government Military "RCA" types. Don't you think?


The same is said for the parametric transformer, in Jim Le Surf's work of St. Andrews University. He comments that "negative resistance is a useful effect which is not often discussed", and "is capable of generating asymptotic increases in energy from negative resistance, were it not for some external force of equal amount that comes from somewhere else in the universe".

So, when Newton said, that for every force there was an EQUAL and OPPOSITE force, he really did mean EVERY FORCE. Including electricity.

At least in the case of the parametric transformer, it has been scientifically documented by the most wooden headed of people that for every ampere of current generated by a parametric transformer, an ampere of current from "somewhere else" impedes it's operation. Perhaps this is why the fundamental understanding of the difference between the dielectric and the magnetic field are important - because if there was a way to synthesise energy. One would have to find a way so that he could transmit an ampere of energy, without another ampere of energy resisting.

If that ampere of energy resisting has a given speed, or a given differential, and the T.M.T really is capable of increasing the capacitor discharge, which it is, via energy storage and recirculation currents (or a multiple loaded flat top antennae) then, it may be capable to have an electrical discharge of a given amperes whose start and finish precedes that of the so-called "force from somewhere else that impedes negative resistance oscillators from being useful" in Jim Le Surf's work at St. Andrews.


I just wanted to say Eric, I am just some fool who wanted to know more, and the combination of your work and Edward Leedskalnin, with a bit of studying what Tesla actually said about what he could and couldn't do, it was actually not that hard to put things together.

David G. Dawson does have a working device and I beg of you to continue working with him in the pursuit of understanding the operation of the secondary and the dimension issues that were causing some people not to get the same results that smokey has, and which you have had in your previous video demonstrations and experiences. I am much like you, broke, perhaps slightly eccentric, determined, and a strange compulsion for self-sacrifice in the pursuit of truth and justice.

I want you to know, you've educated someone to a level that I believe is befitting of Solomon himself. The R.C.A conspiracy is just the beginning of the lie of the electron, einstein relativity, and faster than light. The way they build telescopes nowadays, and how the "non transverse, non visible light waves" from the sun are detected by them, in my opinion is probably the smoking gun - surely this is the difference between inventive and inductive reasoning. Had we listened to the wise words of Dewey B. Larson and Nikola Tesla and Wilhelm Reich this may have been avoided.

Also the understanding of real wealth, that too could have gone a long way. If only people understood that the false-hood of energy scarcity is the very foundation and base that the economy and our enslavement stands.

Quite indeed Eric I feel as you, I watch these idiot scientists and physicists connecting their machinery up to the sea and the wind. Without the first thought for the wave forms which are creating those currents they seek to use. For if they had - as Tesla said himself - they would save themselves much work. But they don't want to save work, they want to make money, and making money is lying and building a **** product, and calling it G.E happy days. It's not happy days. It's indirect, and it's a corporate lie that is 100 years old. I feel that Eric is about as frustrated as me because sometimes it's a take "do you realise what this means?". Anyway. Even the fossil fuels, they came from the sun and the animal vegetable plant and mineral life - it is hideously indirect.

Had Tesla not been suppressed and had R.C.A not stole away the MLTA and replaced it with a **** for nothing Rhombic D then it could have all been avoided, there is no doubt, no doubt whatsoever in my mind.

I am sorry to swear. I also apologise for not being an engineer, not particularly competent, and perhaps unnecessarily waffly. I know I have something here, and so does Eric and David G. Dawson. The truth is the people that have something, including myself have been tempted to throw in the towel many times, if we are not fighting the "what about the zombie apocalypse and the nazi's BS" we are fighting the "if this worked we'd have it" or perhaps even the "No radio's allowed in planet london, california, or anywhere where they might be useful".

Just look up the Yankee Network, you'll see what Sarnoff and R.C.A did to F.M. That was good, that worked better, but it was put back at least a decade, almost bankrupted - just because people wouldn't work together, just because society had this little division called the government military R.C.A & the FCC, and a pack of lies social dictorate in the guise of "lobby group" that forebode the capitalisation of anything that might benefit humanity, such as FM, that wasnt owned by a patent monopoly which could be controlled as a media, a medium, and a technology.

It is sick. Much like Tesla, Edward Leedskalnin had problems obtaining his patents aswell. Interestingly none of Edward Leedskalnins designs were electromagnetic. They were all magneto- based designs. Vertical , horizontal. All the good stuff befitting of Kings.

I'm serious. Thanks Eric. This is my ode to you. I hope you don't think it's too measly or pathetic. A great deal of effort went into it. Even if I am not an engineer. The world does need to know, and I will take my last breaths knowing I did everything I could to help you , and your cause to bring the truth about the longitudinal and magneto dielectric to the world.

You are to be commended highly. Even if my work is not. You inspired me. So much.

I am sorry that my "less technical minded" comments may be discouraging to great men like David G. Dawson who has achieved a great undertaking. Much like Eric, maybe you both have reason for feeling a bit frustrated. "I have something here, definitely definitely! I followed your protocol it didn't work. Heres the protocol I GOT working!".

David my regrets if my posts were distracting on N6KPH. Please David, Eric, please do not give up. You are not wasting your time. We are fighting social breakdown that has been there for 100 years, it is getting worse. Right? Please don't stop your great work. You are both great men today, even if it will take until tomorrow to be recognised. Unfortunately you are both like Tesla, like all great men, you may be dead before you are thanked, but not today.

Thank you a million times over. Please do not give up. I guess this is my way of saying there is definitely hope and charity left in us, and I being a mere fool have come a long way, and so will society one day, from your efforts, if that is not humbling I do not know what is - even if some time IS wasted today - less we give ourselves up which I have been tempted to myself, but somehow I have continued to go forth and go on some how. It is so difficult - challenging ones universe is, especially alone. Thank you Eric, David. Yet again. You might not know it but you provided affirmation I needed to some of the important parts about light that I have been constantly thinking on for years now.


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What's that, the variable cap on the input? Is there any particular reason why it's 300pF and the other tests different? Have you posted all the results you did at n6kph on here as well?
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I don't seems to have the "Share it" function.

By the way I am so glad that you are ahead of me and most likely of others with your project. I was afraid I will run into the same problems you are trying to work out for us who follow.


First click on the "i" looking button then the box will pop up.

Well I'm making a lot of mistakes as you can see, but learning a lot in the process. Still got all the theory to catch up on too because I've been focusing on the physical side, I'm keen to get this small coil understood a bit better before I start making a big one. Best way forward is cooperation I think though, I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to the overall thing so I'll post the things I can do in an effort to advance the whole thing Thanks to everyone else who did things first and made it easier for the next person too
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Thanks for the help Eric and madhatter. I haven't quite solved it yet I don't think but it's getting closer. At the moment I have effective velocity = 26933559.44 Units per second, ratio 8.98%. I'll start the entire thing again tomorrow because I'm getting lost in all the numbers that have accumulated in this spreadsheet, then it should be a bit easier to work with. Also I finally realised that both µ/u looking characters are actually two different things??! I thought they were the same symbol until looking closer to find out where the spreadsheet was going wrong. The advice helped expose that
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Electric Shock Waves

I have read in Tesla's own words his description of this effect, it came about by sudden electrostatic discharges, short circuit, not open circuit. He thought of it as "minute particles thrown off with an inconceivable velocity." It later on became his "radiant matter". While I know that he says this I cannot recall where it was said, but I do have a good memory for faces and read most of all he wrote, pre-Bearden.

Vassilatos seems to have a diametric view and is hence incorrect. His description of the effects described by Tesla are in close agreement for the most part. My reference to the work of Nikola Tesla back in RCA days was,

1) Notes Lectures and Patents, NoLit Publishers, Bograd

2) Roentgen Rays and the Phenomena of the Cathode and Anode, E.P. Thompson (most important!)

3) My own personal experiments at RCA

In Vassilatos book his portrayals are derived by channeling as far as I can tell. Channeling is a risky endeavor and led to Van Tassel's downfall at the Integratron. In Vassilatos, other writings such as "Lost Science" he is more direct and accurate. He finally went off the "deep end" in his "Vril Compendium", but here he photocopied the important data lost by todays libraries. Note that Vassilatos may have finally gone insane. I warn people of this if they follow this path, it can be unhealthy for some.

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Hello,

I'm interested in trying to make the mathematical aspect of this easier to understand by writing a program to do the bulk of the work. I'm not very math savvy when it comes to all the symbols and such, would anyone be able to provide a good reference for some of the symbols used in Eric's papers? Also, are there any equations which should be focused first?

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Engineering analysis of the Colorado Springs Tesla Magnifying Transformer

Preface: the following material and calculations are taken from the Tesla Colorado Springs Notebook. An index of important pages is given at the end.

1) The Colorado Transformer consists in part of a basic quarter wave resonant transformer, referred to in the notes as the primary-secondary structure. The primary circuit is of the balanced, open loop break, configuration. This break in the primary loop gives rise to steep transient waves. This in turn gives rise to a multitude of harmonic travelling waves upon the coiled windings which constitute the Tesla Transformer. This is discussed in “Condensed Intro to Tesla Transformers.” Like did Tesla, we will focus on the sinusoidal, single frequency, distributions.


2) Next is the extra coil. This coil here operates with a propagation constant less than an eighth of a wavelength. Therefore the coil is operating as a simple inductance coil, not as a distributed network. The distributed network capacity of this mode can be expressed as a definite terminal capacitance. Hence the inductance of this coil is adequately represented by its static inductance.

3) Finally is the capacity mast. The effective electrostatic capacity of this mast is given. To convert from C.G.S. “centimeters” first divide by the speed of light squared, in centimeters per second, then multiply by ten to the plus ninth. This gives Farads. It works out to 1.1 times C.G.S. gives picoFarads. How easy.

The capacity of the mast consists of two components, one is the self capacity to earth in per Farads, the other is the mutual elastivity K to the ionosphere in per Farads. The measured mast capacity is a resultant, the square root of the ratio of self capacity, C, to the mutual elastivity, K. The actual values of C and K are unknown. The square root of the product of C and K is the propagation constant. The smaller the value of this constant, the greater is the electro-static coupling to the ionosphere.

4) It should be noted that the earth connection at this location was very poor. It was not adequate for the system neutrals. This gives rise to stray mutual inductance between neutral connections. This also led to travelling waves on the two wire 1000 volt power line that powered the Tesla system. Standing waves in the distant generator windings shorted out these coils burning out the town’s generator station.

In conclusion, the Colorado Tesla Transformer is most basic. An extremely high electromotive force is established through the employment of a large lumped series resonant circuit. This series circuit consists of a static inductance coil, the extra coil, and a static capacitance, the capacity mast. This is a basic LC circuit.

This LC circuit is fed by a constant current resonant transformer as a source of low frequency alternating current energy. The operating frequency is near 45 Kilocycles.

5) The propagation constants and the transmission impedances can be derived from the basic physical dimensions of this system. It is fortunate that we have the “RadioTron Designers Handbook”, Tesla did not. He had no frequency counter, no scope, no W.W.V. time standard, Nothing! Think about this.

6) SECONDARY COIL DIMENSIONS AND CONSTANTS


Diameter: 15 meters
Height: 1 meter
Number of Turns: 17 numeric
Mean Length of Turn: 47 meters
Total Length of Turns: 800 meters
Luminal Wavelength: 3200 meters
Self Capacitance: 1500 picoFarad
Self Inductance: 10 milliHenry
Luminal Frequency: 94 Kc/sec
Free Space Frequency: 64 Kc/sec
Actual Frequency: 43 Kc/sec
Free Space Propagation: 68%
Actual Propagation: 46%
Transmission Impedance: 2500 Ohm
Dielectric Burden: 330 picoFarads

7) EXTRA COIL DIMENSIONS AND CONSTANTS
Diameter: 8.4 feet
Height: 8.0 feet
Number of Turns: 100 numeric
Mean Length of Turn: 8 meters
Total Length of Turns: 800 meters
Luminal Wavelength: 3200 meters
Self Capacitance: 112 picoFarad
Self Inductance: 25 milliHenry
Luminal Frequency: 94 Kc/sec
Free Space Frequency: 176 Kc/sec
Actual Frequency: 116 Kc/sec
Free Space Propagation: 187%
Actual Propagation: 123%
Transmission Impedance: 15 Kilo-Ohm
Dielectric Burden: 26 picoFarads

8) MAST CAPACITANCE EFFECTIVE VALUE:

Measured Capacitance is given approximately at 320 picoFarads

The self capacitance of the extra coil is given as 112 picoFarad.

The total capacitance is hence given,
Total End Capacity, 432 picoFarad

This end capacity is series resonant with a 25 milliHenry inductance coil. This gives rise to a propagation constant, (the resonant frequency) and to a transfer impedance.

9) The propagation constant, or frequency, is defined as the inverse of the quantity consisting of the square root of the inductance times the capacitance, this root then multiplied by two Pi. Hence cycles per second.

The product,
25 milliHenry times 432 picoFarad
Results in a frequency of
47 Kilo-cycles

10) The transfer impedance is given as the square root of the ratio of the inductance to the capacitance.

25 milliHenry divided by 432 picoFarad
Results in an impedance of
7600 Ohm

This represents the output impedance of the Tesla Magnifying Transformer.

11) The basic circuit is shown in figure 1:



In basic terms, a 45 Kc/sec 2500 Ohm source of alternating current energy energizes a large series resonant circuit consisting of an inductance coil and elevated capacity structure. At 45 Kilo-cycles per second, every ampere supplied to the extra coil gives rise to 7.6 Kilovolts at the elevated capacity terminal. The effects of higher harmonics and distributed constants can raise this potential by no more than 50% over the base 7.5 KV. Hereby, for a capacity potential of 1000 KV, the input current to the extra coil must be 132 amperes at 45 Kilocycles per second.

12) This derives the total KiloVolt-Ampere reactive activity of the extra coil in 1000 KV operation, hence, the total activity;

132 MegaVolt-Ampere

This is a substantial activity of 174 thousand horsepower, remembering that this is an average value, the peak value is unknown.

13) In conclusion, the Colorado Springs Tesla Magnification Transformer is a very simple system, no more than a giant series resonant circuit with an approximately sinusoidal waveform rendered asymmetrical by a moderate dampening constant. The extra coil is not operating as a transmission network of distributed constants, but only as a basic inductance coil. Hence the length of wire on the coil is somewhat immaterial. The mast capacitance swamps out the extra coil self capacitance, this suppressing transmission modes of higher harmonics.

This transformer is seen to be somewhat disappointing to the theorist. No fancy travelling wave interaction nor any stupendous harmonic conjunctions, only a Big Series Resonant Circuit. It can be surmised that the Colorado Springs Transformer was incapable of full mono-polar operation, due to the suppression of distributed constants. What is fortunate is that with the material hereby provided the Colorado Springs Tesla Transformer can be scaled down to any convenient size for experimentation. This setup is now quantified, and the mystics can remain silent.

73 DE N6KPH

Reference Index (From Colorado Springs Notes)
Page 43 & 58 Primary Circuit
Page 67 Primary Length
Page 203 Primary/Secondary Dimensions
Page 206 Secondary Frequency
Page 211 Secondary Inductance
Page 260 to 267 Capacity Mast
Page 318 Extra Coil Dimensions
Page 357 Extra Coil Ground Frequency
Page 359 Extra Coil Mast Frequency
Page 363 Extra Coil Free Frequency
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A global contest, who will be the first HAM radio operator to disprove Einstein? Will it be you?

We begin with the "Primary Circuit." It is a parallel resonant circuit. This exists in the dimension of time, it is space scalar. Hence no T.E.M., etc. Tim only in Neper-Radians per second. PER SECOND. It should be noted that no generalized analysis of this circuit even exists today, so where do YOU want to begin. I will tell you how, get a 1960's Radio Amateur's Handbook, and read it. Then make a 100 watt 80 meter transmitter. Then you can begin to understand Tesla. Throw all the Bearden, Corum, etc. , into the garbage, let the rats and crows have it.

The circuit I have shown is from the Colorado Springs Notes, read this for circuit values, these can be scaled. The reasoning here is that no resistance is wanted in the main tank circuit (L1,C1), it must be tight against leaks to assure maximum magnification factor. The Auxilary Circuit (L2,C2) is an impedance matching network to carry energy from the supply E.M.F. to the tank circuit M.M.F. The energy in L2 C2 refracts into L1 C1 so as not to disturb the primary M.M.F. This M.M.F. to be maximized to the highest possible magnitude.*

* See Nikola Tesla, "System of Concatenated Tuned Circuits", patent number unknown

Here is how the contest works. We learn how to make a "Crystal Set", just as everybody should. It is a "Rite of Passage". A crystal set is an A.M. radio that uses no battery, the magnification factor of its tank circuit powers the radio. Hence it can be seen that the A.M. broadcast station's transmitted energy is powering the crystal set, JUST AS TESLA ENVISIONED. Wow Mr. Wizard that is fantastic. Let's start today.
Am I missing something? Are you saying Tesla got it wrong at Colorado Springs?
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