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Aaron
02-24-2011, 04:27 AM
I did some research on the Blue Phoenix Ignition company - Karthikeyan
Ramananthan is behind it. The domain by proxy was done a few days
ago :) - but the original one with Karthikeyan Ramananthan as registrant
was done LAST YEAR. So this has been brewing for a while. The domain
by proxy was done the very day Luc responded here so he obviously
informed Karthikeyan and Karthikeyan is watching this thread like a hawk ;)

Bluephoenix.biz - Blue Phoenix Blue Phoenix Racing Ignition (http://whois.domaintools.com/bluephoenix.biz)chrome://searchshield/content/safe.gif (javascript:void(0))

Nov 30, 2010 ... Whois Record For BluePhoenix.biz. Acquire this Domain Name. Search Whois Records ... Administrative Contact Name: karthikeyan ramanathan ...
whois.domaintools.com/bluephoenix.biz


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Karthikeyan Ramanathan is the owner and one of the listed inventors
on the patent application in question. The same is true for bluephoenix.com.

That is in google cache at the moment showing his name as the contact
and registrant but when going there now:
BluePhoenix.biz - Blue Phoenix Racing Ignition (http://whois.domaintools.com/bluephoenix.biz)

It is now domains by proxy but it is already too late to hide this fact.

Simply click here and see it for yourselves:
bluephoenix.com Karthikeyan Ramanathan - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=bluephoenix.com+Karthikeyan+Ramanathan)

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/bluephoenixbiz.jpg

On the contact page is:

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/bluephoenix.jpg

I thought K.R. was in Louisiana but this number is in Tennessee:
(423) 388-0177

If found on a couple references online for this phone number in relation to
engines:

Town of Unicoi Tennessee (http://www.unicoi.tn.us/bus_detail.php?busID=51)

Richard’s Performance Center

Owner: Richard Hann

2200 Marbleton Rd
Unicoi, Tennessee 37692 Phone: (423) 388-0177 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting (423) 388-0177 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Mobile Number:
Fax Number:
Hours: Monday - Friday, 8 am to – 8 pm. Website:
Email:
http://www.unicoi.tn.us/img_bus/richards.jpgOwner Richard Hann, of Richard’s Performance Center, has been in automobile racing since he was seventeen. His business reflects that experience, drawing a loyal customer base from all over the United States. Located in Unicoi since 1980, Richard’s is the place to build pro street and drag race cars. The business also offers auto detailing and services such as Richard’s “Jazz It Up Powder Coating.” Hann has also been actively involved with the Bristol Dragway for many years, previously working as a track announcer.

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So it appears that Karthikeyan Ramanathan and Richard Hann are now
business partners in Blue Phoenix Ignition.

We know Aquapulser turned into Ecoignition. Luc said the company was
dissolved. Luc posted about there being a fight between two of the
other partners. I found the following updated assignment of the
application:

USPTO Assignments on the Web (http://assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/q?db=pat&pub=20100319644)

The previous assignee Arvind is no longer an assignee so it appears that
Luc and Karthikeyan joined forces to dissolve Ecoignition booting Arvind
out of the picture as evidenced by what Luc said and what I found.

Then it appears that Karhikeyan started their own company Blue Phoenix
Ignitions with Richard Hann and I suppose Luc would have part ownership
of this.

I wonder what really happened that Luc would have joined forces to close
down Ecoignition? That really bugs me. It appears that Blue Phoenix is
practically the same company as far as the product line. But definitely
Luc and Karthikeyan booted Arvind to start their own company. I am
surprised Luc would be behind something like this. Luc says he isn't
interested in the money so why start a new company? Not that I'm against
him making money but this seems fishy.

The modules are IDENTICAL and even the MARKINGS on the boxes are
the same!

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/ecoblue.jpg

Aaron
02-24-2011, 04:29 AM
So the Aquapulser, and its subs, are the ones that are building your open sourced design?

Do you think they did a good job at it? Or it can be made better? Maybe fuel a car engine?

Cheers,
Mike

Mike,

I think anything can always be made better and I have never tested their
ignitions so can't comment on the quality. They appear to be made well
by looks but I did see some comments on a youtube video that someone
had trouble and couldn't get any response from the company for repairs.
Now that may be an exception and not the rule.

vrand
02-24-2011, 04:34 AM
Ash,


Ash or @All - do you know of any examples of anyone using creative commons
to protect an invention from being patented? It appears this may not
be protected under any creative commons license.

Hi Aaron,

Here is a circuit design that has a CC license:

A voltage inverter circuit (http://www.compuphase.com/electronics/inv555.htm)

Lower right corner is the CC link:

Creative Commons — Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported — CC BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/)

Maybe this can help answer your questions.

Cheers,
Mike

vrand
02-24-2011, 06:17 PM
Mike,

I think anything can always be made better and I have never tested their
ignitions so can't comment on the quality. They appear to be made well
by looks but I did see some comments on a youtube video that someone
had trouble and couldn't get any response from the company for repairs.
Now that may be an exception and not the rule.

Aaron,

I agree that the product build quality looked good. Customer service takes awhile to catch up, typical of any new business.

I hope they do some additional research in testing their plasma system with engines by adding water mist to the intake chamber to be able to run on 100% water.

Cheers,
Mike

aquapulser
02-24-2011, 11:04 PM
To all those concerned:

I am karthik one of the founders of aquapulser / ecoignition.

Contrary to what has been posted there are a lot of errors and claims made that i would like to clarify.

1) None of the circuit boxes sold by Aquapulser / Ecoignition / Blue phoenix are based on any circuits posted online. They are all based on spark amplification technology which is quite old.
LOW IMPEDANCE CAPACITOR DISCHARGE SYSTEM AND METHOD - Patent 3788293 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3788293.html)
Plasma jet ignition system for internal combustion engine - Patent 4369756 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4369756.html)
Igniting apparatus for internal combustion engines - Patent 4029072 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4029072.html)
High energy spark ignition system - Patent 4223656 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4223656.html)
Plasma ignition system - Patent 4366801 (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4366801.html)

this is all posted on the aquapulser website.

2) We approached Luc because we thought Luc was the SOLE inventor of the single capacitor circuit and the only inventor. If it wasnt luc but john doe we would have approached john doe. Aaron is making claims that we were not aware of at the time we approached Luc. If we knew we would have apporached Aaron as well.

3) After the patents were filed my partner Arvind and I had differences with regards to how the patent was to be commercialized and I did not feel comfortable with selling the patent exclusively to any company as the circuit had been declared open source on the internet. My partner felt that was the obvious way to make money, he and I differed so I contacted luc assigned the patent under his name and my name and dissolved the company.

4) Luc was in South Africa and is still in South Africa that is why my name appears on the patent assignment.

5) The spark amplification device which is not based on any open source circuits posted by any one this forum was displayed at SEMA and we hired Mr Richard Hann from TN to build demos for the show.

6) The company Ecoignition was dissolved and inlieu of payment to Richard Hann I registered a domain name for Richard Hann to sell the products himself as compensation for his services as he is not websavvy. Luc is in no way associated with blue Phoenix.

7) Aaron has been trying to portray everyone as some sort of shady characters trying to con the open source community and he as some sort of protector of the circuit.

8)Aaron emailed me yesterday threatening to file a petition with uspto to claim that he is the inventor. I responded to Aaron that I am not interested in continuing this patent application and neither Luc nor I have any interest in seeing this patented and that Luc and I will withdraw the patent application and sign any and all petitions.

9) His response completely shocked me when he said that he is not interested in having the patent application terminated and keep the circuit open for all, instead he wants Luc and me to fully assign the patent exclusively to him.

10) He also proposed a royalty agreement from Ecoignition and Blue Phoenix, (neither of those companies are making any products based on the circuit in question.) He also added that he will announce that the patent once assigned to him will be open for all those to experiment...which is quite redundant because any body can experiment with any patent as long as they dont sell it and make money.

11) Once again to all those who are reading these posts, I have no interest in patenting this circuit and I really dont want anybody including Aaron to be assigned exclusive rights to this.

12) If Aaron's interest is to truly protect open source why does he want Luc and myself to fully assign the patent exclusively to him when there are others who say they have also contributed to this circuit.

13) An open source circuit should not be patented by anyone under any circumstances. I have learnt this the hardway and I would like to state on record that Luc and I wish that this patent application to be withdrawn and nobody be given exclusive rights.

14) Aaron may say that he has the best interests of everybody, but I feel he is actually partnering with my other partner who now owns Ecoignition and Aquapulser to sell this overseas and make money while portraying himself as champion of the opensource community.

Aaron please clarify your position why you want this patent assigned exclusively to you instead of being withdrawn so it is TRULY OPEN SOURCE?

On a side note: I am still extremely confused about who the exclusive inventor of the Luc water spark plug circuit is? Is it luc or is it not Luc???

vrand
02-24-2011, 11:19 PM
To all those concerned:

I am karthik one of the founders of aquapulser / ecoignition.



Thanks for posting here. Will you be doing Aquapulser plasma testing on car engines to run on water + air, or to increase gas mileage?

Cheers,
Mike

aquapulser
02-24-2011, 11:27 PM
Thanks for posting here. Will you be doing Aquapulser plasma testing on car engines to run on water + air, or to increase gas mileage?

Cheers,
Mike

Hello Mike

The system as is gives you mileage gain. The problem with water mist and plasma is simply that we never could find the right car owner willing to experiment with a newer model car. Everyone is afraid that the water will rust their cars pistons cylinders so the only cars were older cars...i mean really old cars and they really dont count in terms of meaningful results.

Here is another sparkamplifier system.
YouTube - SparkAmp - Demo 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIUQcbCNq10)

The builder is claiming 40% gain from 9 miles to 14 miles on a chevy suburban.

I do believe the system with water mist will give better mileage results but as long as testing is done on ****ty or crappy engines the results will never count.

ashtweth
02-25-2011, 12:54 AM
To all those concerned:

I am karthik one of the founders of aquapulser / ecoignition.



Hi karthik , then let the circuit remain where it belongs IN THE OPEN SOURCE community. People should drop it and work on whats really needed for this circuit to work, PLUGS.

Or support people who can come up with a custom plug to work with this circuit. In future people just need to COMMUNICATE.

Ash

aquapulser
02-25-2011, 01:12 AM
Ashtweth Luc and I are more than happy to dissolve and withdraw the patent application.

It is Aaron who wants the patents assigned to him exclusively threatening legal action if it is not assigned to him.

"You're making a mistake explaining our private communication to the forum. Please don't dig yourself a hole you can't get out of. You are going to destroy your only chance to prevent a legal battle you cannot keep up with mentally or financially."

Those are Aarons exact words to me for revealing to this forum that he wanted the patents assigned to him!!

SilverToGold
02-25-2011, 01:21 AM
I use to work in the patent office and the final price to get a patent is about $10,000.

Not small change for the average person.

aquapulser
02-25-2011, 01:31 AM
My point and thoughts exactly, when I told Aaron I am totally financially burnt with aquapulser ecoignition etc he offered to pay the fees for pursuing the patent.

I dont know if Aaronn is that rich or someone is putting him up to all this. If he has $10,000 why doesnt he build circuits and plugs etc and sell them or file a new patent under his name.

I told Aaron he is free to file a new patent and he keeps insisting he wants the current patent assigned to him exclusively. The only person I know who wants this patent that desperately is my partner whom I disagreed with. Aarons offer for royalties for a device that has not been made commercialized or sold from companies I am no longer associated with is also very fishy. Please explain yourself Aaron, why do you want the patents assigned to you when they should belong in the public domain???

Aaron
02-25-2011, 03:21 AM
I'll respond in a few hours. I'm busy and this gives everyone
the opportunity to soak up carefully what you said.

Please don't change anything - it is screen captured and
screen recorded. :thumbsup:

By the way, if Arvind ownes Aquapulser and Ecoignition,
you should not be using this account as it doesn't belong
to you.

Aaron
02-25-2011, 03:58 AM
Hi karthik , then let the circuit remain where it belongs IN THE OPEN SOURCE community. People should drop it and work on whats really needed for this circuit to work, PLUGS.

Or support people who can come up with a custom plug to work with this circuit. In future people just need to COMMUNICATE.

Ash

Actually Ash, I learned it isn't "open source" - you will understand when
I respond. Please be patient. I have to verify in my response to Karthi
that I'm not revealing someone's private information.

And I also have already made tungsten plugs obsolete for certain engines
I was going to open
source multiple things but am now considering patenting them myself
and only giving permission to people I that I like and trust
under SIGNED CONTRACT to
replicate them for personal use only and that is it -without the need to
pay me anything.

Anyone that wants
to make money from anything I do will need to accept my terms on
a take it or leave it basis because I will not negotiate with crooks.

Creative Commons actually gives no protection to IP theft and anyone
that discloses an idea has up to a year to still patent it. Also, Karthi's
claim that anyone can make something based on a patent for personal
use is a myth -
But Karthi will continue to blow smoke up everyone's you know what.
He is setting up everyone to be liable for something since he knows
he is in trouble.

Again, I will clarify soon...

Aaron
02-25-2011, 04:00 AM
Ashtweth Luc and I are more than happy to dissolve and withdraw the patent application.

It is Aaron who wants the patents assigned to him exclusively threatening legal action if it is not assigned to him.

"You're making a mistake explaining our private communication to the forum. Please don't dig yourself a hole you can't get out of. You are going to destroy your only chance to prevent a legal battle you cannot keep up with mentally or financially."

Those are Aarons exact words to me for revealing to this forum that he wanted the patents assigned to him!!

I haven't responded yet ;)

Aaron
02-25-2011, 04:01 AM
I use to work in the patent office and the final price to get a patent is about $10,000.

Not small change for the average person.

It can be done for $1500 if someone does it themselves but from my
understanding, it is in the actual making of claims that someone should
definitely get help from an IP attorney, which will be $1500 plus that.

Aaron
02-25-2011, 04:02 AM
If anyone sees Karthi's post http://www.energeticforum.com/132014-post95.html
change, please say something. It remains unedited at the moment.

Aaron
02-25-2011, 06:48 AM
This is all I have time to post now - Karthi you can reply to this
since it is only addressing one point so you should have no problem
making it quick and I'll address as much as I can tomorrow.

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I contacted luc assigned the patent under his name and my name and dissolved the company.

6) The company Ecoignition was dissolved and inlieu of payment to Richard Hann I registered a domain name for Richard Hann to sell the products himself as compensation for his services as he is not websavvy. Luc is in no way associated with blue Phoenix.

7) Aaron has been trying to portray everyone as some sort of shady characters trying to con the open source community and he as some sort of protector of the circuit.

9) His response completely shocked me when he said that he is not interested in having the patent application terminated and keep the circuit open for all, instead he wants Luc and me to fully assign the patent exclusively to him.

10) He also proposed a royalty agreement from Ecoignition and Blue Phoenix, (neither of those companies are making any products based on the circuit in question.) He also added that he will announce that the patent once assigned to him will be open for all those to experiment...which is quite redundant because any body can experiment with any patent as long as they dont sell it and make money.

11) Once again to all those who are reading these posts, I have no interest in patenting this circuit and I really dont want anybody including Aaron to be assigned exclusive rights to this.

12) If Aaron's interest is to truly protect open source why does he want Luc and myself to fully assign the patent exclusively to him when there are others who say they have also contributed to this circuit.

13) An open source circuit should not be patented by anyone under any circumstances. I have learnt this the hardway and I would like to state on record that Luc and I wish that this patent application to be withdrawn and nobody be given exclusive rights.

14) Aaron may say that he has the best interests of everybody, but I feel he is actually partnering with my other partner who now owns Ecoignition and Aquapulser to sell this overseas and make money while portraying himself as champion of the opensource community.

Aaron please clarify your position why you want this patent assigned exclusively to you instead of being withdrawn so it is TRULY OPEN SOURCE?

On a side note: I am still extremely confused about who the exclusive inventor of the Luc water spark plug circuit is? Is it luc or is it not Luc???


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10. Everyone – see these links:

Patent it yourself - Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=5KGN1yPzPa8C&pg=PA410&lpg=PA410&dq=patent+misconception+personal+use&source=bl&ots=aipIGpRVpM&sig=39PQW48F9eiDXTclLGgraREXrl0&hl=en&ei=xgVnTf-ON4nksQOz6dymBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=patent%20misconception%20personal%20use&f=false)

Let me quote from one of the most well know IP attorney's with the
most famous Patent it yourself book: "While 'Home Infringement' may
be difficult to detect, nevertheless it is a form of infringement that is
legally actionable and can subject the infringer to paying damages and/or an injunction prohibiting further infringement. "

It is illegal in Canada to - to make something for personal use - based
on a patent.

Go see for yourself:
patent misconception personal use - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=patent+misconception+personal+use)

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wiki:
In United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) law, an infringement may occur where the defendant has made, used, sold, offered to sell, or imported an infringing invention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention) or its equivalent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_equivalents).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_infringement#cite_note-2) One also commits indirect infringement if he actively and knowingly induces another to infringe, and is liable for that infringement. Types of "indirect infringement" include "contributory infringement" and "induced infringement."

No infringement action may be started until the patent is issued. However, pre-grant protection is available under 35 U.S.C. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_35_of_the_United_States_Code) § 154 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/35/154.html)(d), which allows a patent owner to obtain reasonable royalty damages for certain infringing activities that occurred before patent's date of issuance. This right to obtain provisional damages requires a patent holder to show that (1) the infringing activities occurred after the publication of the patent application, (2) the patented claims are substantially identical to the claims in the published application, and (3) the infringer had "actual notice" of the published patent application.

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What this appears to be about such as the same as Canadian Law is that
the patent acts or laws specifically prohibit certain infringements. They
do not however specifically allow people to make things from patents
for personal use - and that means that just because it doesn't specifically
prohibit it but also doesn't specifically allow for it doesn't make it ok to
do so and can be punishable by law. This isn't just a stretch to assume
this - you can see in the above links that it is very specifically spelled
out by ip attorneys and organization that it absolutely is illegal to make
something for personal use if it is based on a patent - even if it is for
non commercial use in the privacy of your own home.

They make no bones about the fact that it is difficult to enforce or
pursue because of the nature of the privacy involved with peoples
personal activities but nevertheless, it is illegal.

AND, anyone such as KR that insists that everyone can and should just
go make this stuff for personal use is an inducer of infringement and those
that participate are contributory or direct infringers.

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Look at this for Canadian law:
http://www.nwoinnovation.ca/upload/documents/popular-patent-law-misconceptions.pdf

"Fifth Misconception – Personal Use is Not Infringement
of a Patent

It is erroneously believed that only commercial exploitation constitutes
infringement and that making and using a patented invention
for one's own personal use does not constitute a legally actionable
wrong. The Patent Act, however, contains no express
exemption for personal use, but rather declares that whoever without
authority makes, uses, offers to sell, sells within Canada, or
imports into Canada any patented invention within Canada during
the term of the patent therefore, infringes the patent."

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This should come as a surprise to the open source community but so what!
There are countless things being discussed that are not patented! But - isn’t
this quite interesting though?

There are countless IP attorneys that are all saying the same thing in addition
to legal organizations.

I'll address the rest soon.

Aaron
02-25-2011, 08:04 AM
I use to work in the patent office and the final price to get a patent is about $10,000.

Not small change for the average person.

Are you an ip attorney by chance?

SilverToGold
02-25-2011, 02:20 PM
Are you an ip attorney by chance?
Hi Aaron, no, though I have a few close friends who are - I was a patent examiner for a year but couldn't stand the government job and how they do things. They really are not out to help the inventor.

That figure is the average a person would spend on filing fees and attorney costs. But if you could do it yourself or had free help from someone who knows the process very well, the cost go way down. Patent law like any law, overly complex to intimidate the uninitiated to spend more and more on professional help.

I think your figure of $1500 is possible but the patent process is designed to milk you for as much as they can get in the name of "Protecting the public". For example, they train the examiner to always give a first rejection of the patent so you are always forced to re-file with revisions (ie, more money out of your pocket!). They train the examiner that their job is to narrow your patent as much as possible and to cut away at the patent till it's as bare bones as it can get.

You seem like a smart motivated guy, you could probably do it yourself if you invested the time into it. Best of luck.

aquapulser
02-25-2011, 03:19 PM
Oh I am quaking in fear with all your wiki references on canadian patent law.....:rofl: I will sign whatever documents you want as you are so well read with a Harvard PhD in patent law....:rofl:

There is something called experimental use doctrine and each case varies. There is no blanket restriction on individuals from experimenting with patented technologies. This is how new drugs and technologies are developed, this is how the US university system and corporations develop new and improved technologies...But I am sure Dr Aaron PhD will find more wiki links from his vast internet library to quote to the contrary:rofl:

Either case his intentions are revealed, once Aaron starts patenting ideas posted on this forum and he decides he doesnt like someone or picks a fight, he plans to sue that individual for infringement. I am sure the open source researchers feel cozy and comfortable with the idea of one individual patenting and then dictating who should do research and who should not!

I have confirmed that Aaron and Arvind my former partners are behind this.

Luc and I dissolved the company in Dec 2010
https://wyobiz.wy.gov/Business/FilingDetails.aspx?FilingNum=2010-000585619

Aravind registered a new trade mark Feb 2011
ECOIGNITION - Trademark by Srinivasan, Aravind Seattle, WA - Serial Number: 85233810 (http://www.trademarkia.com/ecoignition-85233810.html)

In the front page of the website copyright 2011 you will see the following:
EcoIgnition - Earth friendly performance (http://www.ecoignition.com/performance_ignition/)

"High energy plasma as a viable, low cost option to reduce the fuel to air ratio (lean burn) producing fewer harmful emissions and drastically improving fuel economy has been heavily touted in scientific literature, and EcoIgnition is the first to bring this concept to market. Its unique UniPulse circuit, which uses a single power source to create a high energy plasma, makes it possible to miniaturize the ignition circuitry and enables its economical and reliable manufacture all of which are essential in making high energy plasma viable for use in coil-on-plug ignition technology which is now the industry standard."


Please note no such claim of plasma using a single capacitor or any such device is posted on blue phoenix a company that neither I nor Luc are associated with.

Contrary to what Aaron has posted, Aaron and Arvind are good friends and they have known each other for a long time.

For the members who have been on this forum for a while, you will all recollect a couple of years ago at the height of water fuel research, Aaron's youtube account was suspended. He had a youtube account under the name qiman and all his videos were summarily deleted by youtube.

This was a big blow to Aaron as this was his bread and butter, he needed the videos to drive traffic to his website and all his work and postings and comments were all linked to the qiman youtube account. He was quaking in fear and accused that MIB were behind it and shutting him down.

Aaron was extremely afraid of posting anymore videos on youtube and in general paranoid of MIB coming after him.

At that time my former partner and I decided to investigate to find out if it was really MIB and Arvind had a friend working at youtube. In violation of youtube policy Arvind's friend found that the qiman account was suspended because Aaron had complaints lodged against him by other users and after the third complaint, they suspended the account deleting all videos as per Youtube's 3 strike rule.

The youtube employee assured Arvind that all Aaron had to do was open a new youtube account and upload all his videos. He was extremely grateful to Arvind and I have gmail chats dating back to the period where Arvind states that Aaron owes us (aquapulser) big time, and that he was extremely relieved that it was not MIB.

However a great majority of the members on this forum and elsewhere thought that the MIB had got to Aaron and there was great sympathy for him. I wonder if Aaron or qiman actually corrected this view and informed the public that the reason he got kicked out of youtube was for being a jackass 3 times according to youtube's 3 strike policy. This MIB story of course greatly worked in his favor as many I suspect clamored for his videos and postings to make sure they werent missing out on any breakthrough technology.

I have chat transcripts between Aaron and Arvind dating back to 2008.

Yet on this forum posts Aaron completely feigns that he has no knowledge of Arvind or the favor Arvind did for Aaron.

Aaron is simply returning the favor for Arvind. By threatening and maligning me as well as Luc for doing the right thing and posting false connections and associations he is assuming that his empty threats will scare us into assigning everything to him so he can get 5% royalties from Ecoignition and his partner Arvind.

Arvind will sell the patent to overseas companies for say $1 million, he pockets $950,000 for an idea that he never invented or came up with, Aaron pockets $50,000 and Luc and I are the supposed bad guys and of course the open source community and all those who worked on this Luc circuit are left holding the bag.

Its always the same, in politics, in religion and in business those who are the loudest and keep bringing up the bible, god, law at every chance are those that have the most to hide.

I cannot believe you disparaged Luc in this forum. Arvind offered Luc the same deal before he came running to you after I assigned the patents to Luc. Luc did the right thing and felt that the patent should remain open for all and in fact should not be patented at ALL.

Aaron I am a business man and I have seen many clowns like you. You are not the first and you probably will not be the last to cross my path. If your claims are true that you are the only inventor go prove at the USPTO first before sending me threatening emails.

Also please clarify to this forum your long associations with Arvind and why you have kept that hidden from the members of this forum. both of you are also close by in Seattle.

I have all the emails and chats between you and Arvind to prove it!!!

In case you dont believe me you had a skype id i believe called ___________.


To all those in this forum, this patent application will die no matter what and remain in the public Domain.

Aaron if you have a case prove it at the USPTO first and then the courts before running your mouth. I have enough resources to fight clowns like you!

Thank you all and have a good day!

SilverToGold
02-25-2011, 04:04 PM
It can be done for $1500 if someone does it themselves but from my understanding, it is in the actual making of claims that someone shoulddefinitely get help from an IP attorney, which will be $1500 plus that.

The claims are basically your entire patent. When an examiner reviews your patent, for the most part - they only really read the claims and don't really read your specifications.

It's a game where the patent filer tries to write the claims as general as they can and the patent examiner tries to get it as narrow as they can. It's a back and forth tossing of the ball that racks up money for the attorney (and government) every time it goes another round. That's why it averages $10,000 per patent.

If you immediately get a patent granted without a first reject, you bascially screwed up and narrowed the scope of your patent too far. In other words, you did a poor job writing your claims and opened yourself for others to infringe upon your patent.

And the start date of patent protection (if aquapulser's patent does infringe upon the water sparkplug patentable concept) would start from the date that the idea was made public and not when the patent was technically filed. The date you first sell or publically disclose of your idea is the date that the patent protection starts.

I'm not sure of the exact reason to pursue this patent further if the purpose is to keep it in the public domain for all to use (and even profit from).... except maybe as a hedge of protection against someone else claiming it's theirs and trying to make it un-useable to the general public (or even the originator of the idea) to profit off of. A patent granted to someone else doesn't mean you can't use it personally as you wish, as long as you don't make any money from it.

I haven't read aquapulser's patent claims so I don't really know what if any infringements they have made, though I find it strange that they made Luc a co-inventor but then claim the patent is not of the water sparkplug concept? Would have to dig into their patent to see what they really were shooting to patent.

SilverToGold
02-25-2011, 04:22 PM
What this appears to be about such as the same as Canadian Law is that
the patent acts or laws specifically prohibit certain infringements. They
do not however specifically allow people to make things from patents
for personal use - and that means that just because it doesn't specifically
prohibit it but also doesn't specifically allow for it doesn't make it ok to
do so and can be punishable by law. This isn't just a stretch to assume
this - you can see in the above links that it is very specifically spelled
out by ip attorneys and organization that it absolutely is illegal to make
something for personal use if it is based on a patent - even if it is for
non commercial use in the privacy of your own home.

They make no bones about the fact that it is difficult to enforce or
pursue because of the nature of the privacy involved with peoples
personal activities but nevertheless, it is illegal.

AND, anyone such as KR that insists that everyone can and should just
go make this stuff for personal use is an inducer of infringement and those
that participate are contributory or direct infringers.

I'm no attorney and that goes against my understanding but you may be right. In the end, when it comes to the "law", it not a matter of right or wrong but who has the deepest pockets that gets the most "justice".

A publicly disclosed idea on an open forum can't be patented by outside parties "legally" but if they have the money, they could possibly get away with it. They could contrive all sorts of false "data" that backs up their story of prior knowledge and steal it from under you.

There's right and wrong and then there's human nature.

asisin1
02-25-2011, 07:55 PM
Hello All

I'm the much maligned other partner in the recent proceedings.

I didn't really want to get involved in this as this is exactly the environment in which Karthik thrives, and I believe it is a waste of time. But it will serve as a showcase of his character for all to see.

EcoIgnition and Aquapulser are currently in dissolved state in spite of the unlawful way in which the dissolution was brought about - Karthik filed papers with the Seceretary of State in two states claiming a majority he never had at the time of filing (Luc and documents I have can attest to this). This is because I have a certain amount of respect for Luc and the fact that hes in SA doing good for the world, and that I've wasted too much time with Karthik. I invented the ionization detection portion of the patent application in question which is indisputable, and yet Karthik has left me out as an assignee. I have two granted patents and 14 other applications pending.

My primary aim with the Aquapulser and EcoIgnition ventures was to make the technology more widespread, and any business man will realize that without patents as an instrument to protect the market, no manufacturer capable of making this technology widespread will risk investing money to bring the technology to the masses. To address the open source license issue, a simple end user license agreement would allow experimenters to use this to their heart's content, and Aquapulser would even supply its proprietary circuit designs upon registration to such individuals (this has been discussed with Luc).

Selling of patents and plasma modules have been discussed here like we're selling potatoes and oranges. I cannot simply put up a patent for sale on craigslist and walk away with $990,000 and change. Just as with anything worth anything there will be a due diligence process, full disclosure and a panel of IP lawyers scrutinizing it from every angle. Any business man would know this.

I don't believe that Karthik simply built the website 'in lieu of payment' for Richard Hann who wasn't 'web savvy'. That would have been believable if R.H was selling apples online which he plucked from his back yard. Karthik has leveraged all collateral from the Aquapulser and EcoIgnition ventures including images, videos, circuit designs, supply chains, suppliers, parts etc. R.H, Karthik's friend of a few years at the time, right after the SEMA show realized the potential of this technology and by any means wanted a piece of the action. He initially threatened to sue Karthik, but I guess they settled to plot mutiny and kick me out and start a new venture.

Poor Luc was taken in by all the convincing lies:
1. That I was going to sell the (U.S) patent (application) to a Chinese Billionaire or whomever overseas - convenient, because it can't be substantiated

2. That R.H was going to sue EcoIgnition, in spite of the fact that EcoIgnition had paid for the units, materials, the flight trip, the hotel, the meals. Any claim of ownership of the company because he stood around at the booth for 5 days is laughable, if true we'd all be major stock holders in every listed company (for someone, even a business man, who waxes poetic straight from google in just about anything he says, shdn't be hard to look up). As far as I was concerned R.H was brought to SEMA (where I met him for the first time) as a prospective sales executive, and he failed the interview due to his behaviour after the show.

3. That our supplier owns a trademark on the units and that they had threatened to sue. Yet bluephoenix ignition has no such worry in spite of selling the exact same units with the same trademarks.

Luc, I hope you see how you have been conveniently manipulated by Karthik who has used 'open source', character assassination, scare tactics with threats of lawsuits, and unsubstantiated lies to lure you

As for my involvement with Aaron - I received the same email that Karthik did from Aaron asking for an explanation, except that I gave him a sane explanation of the sequence of events. I admire people like Lindemann and Luc and the same goes for Aaron. I can see how people can be ticked off when someone else claims credit for their work - that's human nature. Aaron, realizing that the patent application has 3 separate topics and that I was the inventor of one of them, initially said he'd propose a mutually amicable agreement which I said I would welcome.

I trademarked EcoIgnition as it was the only thing that remained after everything was taken away from me by Karthik and Luc after I have dedicated 3 years of my life to Aquapulser / Ecoignition. Details do matter though - I did it on Feb 3, long before any of this started, so it doesn't prove anything.

I know Luc is a reasonable man because we have had conversations for the past 3 months on these events, and while he doesn't attempt to understand everything that's going on, and recent events aside, he does want to move the technology forward and do whats best for all. Karthik promised to assign the patent solely to Luc in return for his all important signature in the dissolution documents. I know Luc was still waiting on the transfer to happen when I last check with him.

Luc, perhaps it may be time for you to say a few words. I will not waste any more time on this as I have presented the facts.

Aaron
02-25-2011, 08:25 PM
Karthi,

It must be very sad to be you and anyone with common sense will see this
in due time. Again, I have NOT commented on your other points and hope
that others will reserve their judgments until they see BOTH sides of the
story, which I am the only one that can prove that I am the one telling
the truth between you and I.

First of all "personal use" is NOT experimental. It is for gaining the
benefit of what the invention is meant for. Making practical use of
a self built device, whether it is for sale or not, is still infringement.
So, you could be right and all these attorney's and legal organization
could be wrong. But I'm willing to wager a bet that they have more
experience with IP law than you.

You can poke fun at Canadian law - I posted that because there are
many Canadians here and many patents people research are Canadian.

You can poke fun a Wiki - I do all the time, but I post it for a common
reference to show the definitions of infringement - and if you have any
common sense whatsoever, which I haven't seen evidence of, that wiki
reference wasn't used to quote an attorney about person use infringement,
the google books reference was.

Second, I posted a google link with countless references so that anyone
that actually has the sense to not take my word for it but to go do their
own due diligence will see that all the references continue to exclaim what
a myth it is that anyone can build someone's patent for personal use. It
is practically poking fun at people for believing that they can simply build
something for personal use.

I can PROVE in court that everything you are claiming against me is slander
and that you are knowingly concocting these things - again, everyone
I would hope would reserve judgment regardless of what they think they
know.

For anyone paying attention, I have never claimed that Aquapulser,
Ecoignition or Blue Phoenix are using my single cap method. My issue
has been with the patent claiming to have invented my invention. Please
stop the pathetic attempts at misdirection.

Arvind and I are good friends and have known each other for a long time?
I have never met Arvind and have never "spoken" to him in my entire life.
I had many people on my skype list from the h2earth skype chat. I never
knew the name Arvind until I saw it on the patent application just like I
never knew your name until I saw it on the patent app. I skyped with
Arvind several years back under his username a couple times and the last
time was around 2008.

Since 2008, the first time I talked to Arvind was the SAME DAY that I got
a reply from you because I had to email both of you asking what the deal
is with claiming my invention. Both Arvind and You were always secretive
to me about who you booth were every time I contacted Aquapulser
on the 4-5 times that I emailed. And I only just learned of this Ecoignition
company recently. You, are a pathological liar and I can PROVE it. You're
also dragging down Luc with you because you don't care about anyone
but yourself.

And how are you to know my old youtube account was my "bread and
butter"? You know how incredibly pathetic that is? I was really ticked off
that they cancelled the account and hear that they did so claiming I was
"spamming". The only thing I can deduce from that experience from what
I am currently witnessing is that you are the primary suspect for any
complaints against me to have it shut down because it may have been
the only evidence of my inventions that you could possibly try to make
disappear and the less evidence the better. I'm just thankful this forum
and the archives still record the truth and I have left almost every old
youtube link in case it ever needs to be called into question, youtube
probably has video archives that can be subpoenaed that show that
the links I have left for historical purposes actually did go to videos that
match the content of the posts.

You were also pretty proud in your email about claiming the SCR in the
patent diagram was some monumental invention because it was an
improvement that I never showed. But I did in the videos. All the 50hz
tests on the bench were with SCR's and so were ALL the lawnmower
videos that Peter and I did at his shop. It is a known fact to everyone
that has been in this thread a long time that I did post these. I
reposted a few of these vids again later on in the energeticforum
youtube account such as this:
YouTube - Water Sparkplug Test on Lawnmower (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3NE8P0sPS8)

But of course when I bring up the SCR issue, you emailed me back with
some nonsensical thing that didn't address the subject because I PROVED
that your claims have no basis in reality - they're totally made up.
Whenever a fact about your nonsense is brought up, you resort to
misdirection. That is common for pathological liars to do because because
instead of being able to be honest, you are compelled to keep pointing
to something else, making a story about it, pointing to something else,
making a story about it, etc... into perpetuity so that one story is intended
to justify the last lie by creating a new lie, etc... Again, by stating you
are a liar is neither slander or libel because I can actually PROVE it is true
and I will. You are building a house of cards plain and simple.

I was "quaking" in fear from the MIB? :rofl: That quite honestly made me
really laugh. Actually, because I neither spammed youtube or violated
any copyrights, I felt that all my videos actually were being suppressed.
It is only speculation but again, you remain the most likely suspect for
having the creative motive and the most to gain by having my videos
removed by generating complaints against them. And it doesn't make me
afraid when I thought it was "MIB", I became angry and simply started
to post more in the forum than I did before. And then I started the
the Energetic Forum account. Bread and Butter - how long did it take
you to come up with that one? :thumbsup: The thing that bothered me the
most was that I had to dig out some of those videos from my archive,
reprocess them in windows movie maker to make them small enough and
then manually upload them all one by one - in those days, it took forever
to setup each video in youtube.

"into assigning everything to him so he can get 5% royalties from Ecoignition and his partner Arvind. "

The more you post, the less sense you make. So, according to you,
Arvind and I are behind "all of this". And you claim I'm in business with
Arvind and that you claim him and I have been very good friends for a
"long time" that I want the entire patent so that I can also collect
royalties from someone that I am supposed to be in cahoots with?
Anyone that would believe this should have their head examined.

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Aaron
02-25-2011, 08:28 PM
I would hope anyone that is reading KR's very long rope will see that I
mentioned that when I found out there were actually two other inventions
that I was fine with NOT having it exclusively signed to me. Furthermore,
I even suggested that Luc could be entitled to a % of royalties from my
invention despite his backstabbing.

-----------

I emailed you, Arvind and Luc an
email asking if you all actually want to work out a win-win for everyone
involved. Arvind is the ONLY one that responded to that and Arvind is
the ONLY one that received a copy of my entire proposal. In the meantime,
I find KR is here posting all those points that he expects everyone
to believe about me. Again, I can 100% indisputably prove I am telling
the truth and KR is completely whacked out of his flipping mind and
unfortunately, at this point, inevitably, it looks like he is willing to drag Luc
down with him as Luc appears to be waiting with baited breath on every
word that KR manipulates him with.

-------------------------------

@LUC - I honestly feel enormous pity for you and hope you wake up.
What you have done is dishonest, it is wrong in every way imaginable.
There is NOTHING you can ever do to justify this. There is however
only ONE WAY you can prevent yourself from being dragged into something
that I think you will be unable to cope with and that is to open your
eyes and see the light and realize that what KR has been feeding you
is all based on lies and deception. I can PROVE to you that what
KR is saying is bogus - IF you are willing to be reasonable and you
can grow up and stop posting people's personal emails on the forum,
I MAY be willing to show you the proof. So far, when I have asked you
to keep something in confidence, all you did was slap me in the face.

IF I can be convinced that you simply were acting on good faith that
you believed what KR was feeding you was the truth and you didn't
intend to do anything wrong and perhaps just made some poor decisions,
I may choose to let the issue rest with YOU, but not KR. I'll tell you
this, between any correspondence that I have had with KR and Arvind,
Arvind is the ONLY ONE that has stuck up for you proclaiming that you
didn't know any better and should be left alone. You really need to think
about that one - especially after what you and KR have chosen to do
jointly against him.

@All, if there is anyone here that knows Luc, now is the time to talk some
sense into him because I honestly don't think he has a clue as to what
he has gotten himself into by associating himself with KR. I can forgive
Luc for what he personally did to me, as wrong as it is, but I cannot
guarantee at this point, with his current stance, that WHEN the issue
with KR is pursued that Luc will be free of any liability. That will be out
of my hands. This is MUCH bigger than just Luc claiming to be the
inventor - to my amazement.

---------------------------

"Arvind will sell the patent to overseas companies for say $1 million,
he pockets $950,000 for an idea that he never invented or came up with,
Aaron pockets $50,000 and Luc and I are the supposed bad guys and of course
the open source community and all those who worked on this Luc circuit are
left holding the bag."

Again, I maintain you are a pathological liar and that I can PROVE it.

I have it in writing from you telling me that Arvind is the inventor of
the ion detection circuit. And you claim to be the inventor of the coil
on plug deal. So Arvind and supposedly you actually do have ideas in
the patent that you both came up with.

First of all, even if it was true that Arvind was trying to sell the patent,
please tell everyone here how he would accomplish this seeing that you
and Luc are assignees? Even as Ecoignition being an assignee, you and
Luc were owners of that company. Tell us all and explain to Luc, here,
publicly, how Arvind would ever be able to sell the patent? The way I see
it - the ONLY way that could ever be accomplished is IF YOU AND LUC
agreed to sell it as well!

@All, I hope everyone can see what KR convinced Luc of in order to get
Luc to gang up against Arvind. KR convinced Luc that Arvind could sell
the patent out from under them without their consent or knowledge! lol
I know that is naive of Luc to believe this dog and pony show that KR
has painted for him but more importantly - I hope all can see bit by bit
the lengths that KR is willing to go to. And this is the tip of the iceberg.

"Its always the same, in politics, in religion and in business those who are
the loudest and keep bringing up the bible, god, law at every chance are
those that have the most to hide."

I haven't been bringing up the bible or God. I brought up the law to counter
all your claims by actually posting references from IP attorneys - the only
thing you posted in regards to the law is your personal understanding.
My posts include my personal understanding but I also posted links so
people can go get their own understanding of what I quoted.

"I cannot believe you disparaged Luc in this forum. Arvind offered Luc the
same deal before he came running to you after I assigned the patents to Luc.
Luc did the right thing and felt that the patent should remain open for all
and in fact should not be patented at ALL."

Arvind came running to me after you assigned the patents to Luc?
You expect that everyone here is a moron and has the memory of Forgetful
Jones from Sesame Street. It was I who approached all three of you after
learning of the patent application. You are pathological liar and I can
prove EVERY correspondence between myself with ALL THREE OF YOU,
in what sequence things happened and when they happened as well as
the actual context of how everything happened.

"Also please clarify to this forum your long associations with Arvind
and why you have kept that hidden from the members of this forum.
both of you are also close by in Seattle."

Done, and by the way, you actually aren't that far from RH in Tennessee
who you claim to only be doing good deeds for in lieu of payment.

And I suppose that when Aquapulser was formed, it was all strategically
done so that Arvind, whom I have never known that name until recently
when I discovered the patent application, was all done because I live
in the same state. Oh my

When I found out about Aquapulser, it was my understanding that it was
around Michigan or something. I wanted a system from Aquapulser for
my own car and I also wanted to be a dealer. I didn't find that the
responses were too timely but I was told that since I was the moderator
here that I would be given a discount. Aquapulser knew who I was but
I still never had a clue as to who was behind the scenes. As you can see,
it is only in the google cache that anyone's names attached to any
domain names were all moved to proxy registrations in order to keep
anonymous.

I was talking to someone involved in some plug research and was
told by them that the company was going to be moving to the Seattle
area. This person that I had this discussion with is a member of this
forum and knows this to be true - this person also was in some kind of
negotiations with Aquapulser that I was not involved in. This person
also probably knows that I had no relationship with ANYONE at
Aquapulser. This person can come forward with this if they're reading,
I'm not going to post my correspondence with this person.

"I have all the emails and chats between you and Arvind to prove it!!!"

You lose in both ways...

1. If those are recent emails, the only this proves is that you are admitting
to having committed a felony.

2. If those are old emails and chats between me and Aquapulser or
Arvind's username on skype - is that they will only prove I had no idea
who any of you people were and that I never knew the name Arvind
until the last week and never had knowledge in the past that this
username on sykpe ever had a connection to Aquapulser. None of this
has ever been disclosed to me until recently.

In both cases, it proves you are an imbecile.

Aaron
02-25-2011, 09:35 PM
On a side note: I am still extremely confused about who the exclusive inventor of the Luc water spark plug circuit is? Is it luc or is it not Luc???

The only thing you want is to act like you have plausible deniability.
You want to act like you never knew the single cap method was invented
by me. You want to act confused because you know it is a federal offense
to lie to the federal government under oath and you want to be able to
weasel your way out of it so you can claim you never knew that Luc
was not the inventor when you signed the oath.

Here are a few excerpts that I prepared for an attorney to explain my
grievances on Feb 21 and then edited later on Feb 22.

The applicants appear to be knowingly making false claims under oath that they are the first inventor(s) for this invention pursuant to 602 Original Oath or Declaration [R-7] - 600 Parts, Form, and Content of Application, Section 35 U.S.C. 115 Oath of Applicant, “The applicant shall make oath that he believes himself to be the original and first inventor of the process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or improvement thereof, for which he solicits a patent.”

I am the inventor and I submit to you evidence that conclusively proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Luc Choquette and his partners not only was fully aware that
I am the inventor of the circuit and concept that is the premise for this entire patent application, but that Luc Choquette even admitted this fact publicly in an online open source discussion forum that has already had 288,720 views by the public at the time of this writing.

Here is the online public discussion that documents this fact: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html

ATTACHMENT #1 presents the following evidence:
Luc Choquette’s publicly disclosed method on June 27, 2008, which is different from my simplified method. It uses an inverter connected directly to the spark plug and is the non-efficient energy generation method, hence his secondary power supply that is connected directly to the spark plug.
The first schematic that I made public on July 3, 2008 disclosing to the public my invention of the energy efficient plasma generation method. This is posted here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2242-water-sparkplug.html
Luc Choquette’s publicly disclosed replication of my invention ten days later on July 13, 2008. This is posted here in the first post: URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5024.msg108283#msg108283)Pub. No.: US 2010/0319644 A1 states:

A. "...adds a one-way current path between the primary and and secondary windings of the high voltage transformer....

B. ...with relatively little increase in components...

C. ...without requiring a secondary power supply circuit to generate the current for producing plasma ionization."

On point #1, I’m the one that publicly taught Luc Choquette the method of directly adding the “one way current path”, which is the diode, directly between the primary of the ignition coil and the high voltage secondary windings.

On point #2, I’m the one that publicly taught Luc Choquette the ability to eliminate extra components and to completely eliminate the need for an inverter to be hooked to a spark plug, thereby making it the Energy Efficient Plasma Generation method.

Point #3, automatically implies my points #1 and #2.

ATTACHMENT #2 presents the following “beyond smoking gun” evidence:
On July 14, 2008 at 07:02 AM, the day after Luc Choquette publicly updates his schematic to match what I taught him, he publicly admits in my discussion forum the following: “I just updated my simple circuit today since as indicated before by Aaron the Capacitor alone is all that is needed to make the circuit work…”.This “…capacitor alone is all that is needed to make the circuit work…” mention by Luc Choquette is my personal invention that improves every “plasma jet” ignition circuit that has ever been publicly disclosed or patented in United States patent history. All prior patents have always required two separate power supplies in order to generate the plasma at the spark plug gap. My invention of this is the entire fundamental premise for Pub. No.: US 2010/0319644 A1.
Luc Choquette’s post of this admission by him is publicly available here: http://www.energeticforum.com/23364-post143.html.

ATTACHMENT #3 presents the following evidence:

1. This is a copy of the full message header and message of my communication to Aquapulser, which is the applicant’s original company before Ecoignition, the assignee of the patent application. They (Arvind Srinivasan and/or Karthikeyan Ramanathan) admit that they knew who I was and what public discussion forum I was associated with in regards to this plasma ignition technology: “Of course we will give you a steep discount on the modules should you choose to purchase them for the 1998 Subaru as you are the forum moderator of energetic forum.”

Being that I placed my invention into the public domain, I had no problem with another company producing the circuits commercially. I was willing to purchase a professionally built unit from them because I did not know that behind my back, they were trying to take credit as the inventors of my invention and with a circuit I gifted to the public domain to intentionally make it “Public Use” on top of that. Their attempt to obtain a patent, if successful, would prohibit me, the inventor, from commercially selling these circuits and reaping rewards for my own work. And this is exactly what I intended to do by putting thousands of hours into this project.

-------------------------------------------------------

So, what we have here is part of a letter I made to an attorney. I name
Luc and his PARTNERS - NOT partner. Plural if you can comprehend that.
That means that I name YOU and I ALSO named Arvind.

I honestly believed when I saw the application that you both must have
known that Luc was not the inventor. And this shows that I also honestly
didn't realize the application was for three inventions. You can see that
I posted in the letter that "the entire premise" of the application was my
circuit. This is what I thought.

A patent attorney said that it is the claims in the patent that are of
significance and the diagrams and abstract are irrelevant when
it comes to infringement.

I was so completely appalled at this that I posted about this in the forum
and confronted Luc with it, who justifies claiming my invention as his
to save the circuit for open source and also justifies it because Aquapulser
invested money! :suprise:

Anyway, Luc publicly tells everyone that I need to talk to you guys
because he only has 5% and you both own the rest.

Then I confront you AND Arvind on this because I thought you both were
trying to claim to be the inventor of my circuit as well.

It is kind of comical really - Arvind responds and asks me if I actually
read the whole patent. :) I said yes, but didn't see anything different.
He said there were other inventions by other inventors. I never knew this
because I only searched for Luc Choquette's name in applications
at espacenet.com and that application is the ONLY one that came up.
Those others listed (prov apps) never came up.

And your response did not ask me if I had read it, you said I
"conveniently" left out the coil on plug part that you claimed to have
invented. lol - and I immediately conceded that you and Arvind were
indeed inventors of other inventions in the application. I learn something
new every day. Anyway, your response implies that you are claiming
that I was intentionally trying to not recognize those other inventions.
Arvind was the only one that above board and honest about everything
and it was you that insisted on things that were not true in addition
to outright lying to everyone on this forum.

You can also see in part of my letter to the attorney that I never even
mentioned the ionization detection circuit or the coil on plug section
because I didn't even recognize them as being anything of relevance
to me.

So, since you are "confused" about who the inventor of the simple
spark plug circuit - AS I ALREADY EMAILED YOU HAVE YOU HAVE
READ AND SEEN THE ATTACHMENT - AND RESPONDED that you were
not aware of that - here it is again - referencing ATTACHMENT 2
in the excerpt above.

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/lucadmits.jpg

I think he has a guilty conscious and will admit it again with some kind
of justification of course.

Anyway, Luc ALREADY posted the following:

The Aquapulser team are the ones who approached me as their research lead them to believe I was the inventor. They asked if I would sign the Patent. Please contact them as they are still the owners of it.

If you claim this circuit is your complete invention then let it be so. However, there's a new claimer in the ring. Todd Miller, he sent me the below email claiming he had this circuit back in 2007.

Here is what is goofy, you say you approached Luc and Luc said he was
in the inventor.

Here is Gotoluc in his own post with a very slippery manipulative sentence
stating: "The Aquapulser team are the ones that approached me as
their research lead them to believe I was the inventor."

For one, this is another admittance by Luc that he is not the inventor,
for anyone that can properly analyze it. Also, he doesn't want to directly
state he told you he was the inventor. He isn't able to swallow his pride
that much. He puts that off on Aquapulser
by stating it was your research that led you guys to believe it - so that
Luc is trying to slip out of the responsibility by trying to get out of
admitting he told you he invented it when you asked him. :wall:

Luc KNEW he wasn't the inventor plain and simple.

It is questionable that you did not know. You have such a
keen memory of all my old youtube vidoes and followed all my work
with such devotion and all those videos openly proved the chronology
of what circuit came from who and looking at both my vids and Luc's
how can you possibly claim you did not know I was the inventor of the
simple method? AND you fully knew about this thread and had access
to all the posts and could *not have known* that I posted it on July 3rd,
2008 and 10 days later Luc posts a diagram of his replication of my circuit
and even spells out that fact for you on July 14th (the screen shot
of this post is above).

EDIT: *not have not known*

Karthi, if you are stating that you honestly signed a patent oath fully
believing that what Luc told you was true, then I may be starting to
see a glimpse of light for you because all the evidence shows that Luc is
the one that actually knowingly hid the fact that I was the inventor from
you.

So, for clarification -

1. Were you fully aware I was the inventor of the simple method shown
in the patent? Which you could have committed a felony if you did.

or

2. Did Luc make a false claim to you in which case, you actually were
being honest when you signed the oath?

Armagdn03
02-27-2011, 06:13 PM
I worried for a long time about patents, rights, legalities, money, etc. In the end its a distraction that takes your love of learning and sours it leaving you without inspiration, and the joy of learning something new.

smw1998a
02-27-2011, 07:07 PM
I worried for a long time about patents, rights, legalities, money, etc. In the end its a distraction that takes your love of learning and sours it leaving you without inspiration, and the joy of learning something new.

Absolutely!!! There has been a great deal of energy expended here and for what?

Regards Lee...

Aaron
02-27-2011, 09:43 PM
Lee,

That is easy to say "for what?" when you're not the one it happened to.

There are things you don't know and you don't know that you don't know
them.

But from everything that has been posted, if you have to question any
of my own efforts, then I would have to seriously question your own ethics.

smw1998a
02-27-2011, 10:26 PM
Hello Aaron,
There can be no benefit from this argument. I simply agree with Armagdn03's statement. Circuits and methods should be closely guarded until patent rights are secured. As many of us, including yourself, were working on this circuit long before the patent application was submitted, full public disclosure has already taken place, this makes any patent weak, bordering useless. As far as I'm concerned water spark plug is in the public domain. I don't see why attorneys should be made rich trying to argue otherwise.

Regards Lee...

Aaron
02-27-2011, 10:27 PM
Not sure what happened to the posts I moved pre 23rd.

They're in the forum archives - haven't seen that before.

And before KR or company thinks I don't want them to be
seen, which I do, here are the google cache records:

I already did copies with screen recordings of proof of date
and time.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:v9bQKn2clHoJ:www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7430-water-sparkplug-2-a.html+%22water+sparkplug+2%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fx376Vu80QIJ:www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7430-water-sparkplug-2-a-2.html+%22water+sparkplug+2+-+page+2%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Y5jYVIdxwqQJ:www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7430-water-sparkplug-2-a-3.html+%22water+sparkplug+2+-+page+3%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qjVSzEpPkmQJ:www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7430-water-sparkplug-2-a-4.html+%22water+sparkplug+2+-+page+4%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

That is the ENTIRE original Water Sparkplug 2 thread before I moved
the posts. All there for the record.

Aaron
02-27-2011, 10:37 PM
Ok, I know what I did, when moving the first page of posts, I entered
a new thread name.

The next 3 pages, I entered it as a new thread with same name so it
kept replacing the previous one, I think.

The next 3 pages I should have entered the name already assigned as
the new thread instead of posting them as a new thread.

Anyway, doesn't matter, they're in the archives and google cache as
record.

Jbignes5
02-28-2011, 06:12 PM
Hello Aaron,
There can be no benefit from this argument. I simply agree with Armagdn03's statement. Circuits and methods should be closely guarded until patent rights are secured. As many of us, including yourself, were working on this circuit long before the patent application was submitted, full public disclosure has already taken place, this makes any patent weak, bordering useless. As far as I'm concerned water spark plug is in the public domain. I don't see why attorneys should be made rich trying to argue otherwise.

Regards Lee...

I agree with this statement.

@Aaron:

I would suggest that you try to understand that once you "Teach it to someone" It is a gift. Especially on this forum which is supposed to be open source.

Here is a good statement then question for you Aaron.... You are the moderator of this forum and that forum is "Open Source" based. How can you claim anything you share here as you holding the title to if you shared it in someone else's thread or as a reply in a thread?

Plain and simple you gave him the idea to make his original circuit work. Weather you call that giving "Teaching" or giving you still volunteered that information by submitting the reply.

Can't we get back to what this forum is all about! Why scare brilliant people off from collaborating by continuing to bicker like this tit for tat posts.

Another question for you Aaron? Do we have to leave this forum and start a new one that we don't have to worry about the moderator overstepping his bounds because we didn't put copyrights on the openly released information? I mean we are doing this for what exactly? I thought it was to learn the truth about science in an open collaborative way.

It seems this is about you, Aaron, really and not about the open source community that you are to be moderating for.

If you sent them Emails stating the proposal of royalties then this is about money then right? How does that reflect on your position as moderator of this open source community? Does this mean you are against the idea of community based sharing of ideas? Obviously your actions speak louder then words here...

DavidE
02-28-2011, 06:51 PM
DANGER. This puddle was deeper than it first seemed.
Review EF Module 23b - Some fights are not worth
publicly fighting, time reveals all truths.

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/9307716+w750+st0/129_0708_09_z+1991_jeep_xj+side_view_mud_puddle.jp g

Aaron
02-28-2011, 11:37 PM
I agree with this statement.

@Aaron:

I would suggest that you try to understand that once you "Teach it to someone" It is a gift. Especially on this forum which is supposed to be open source.

Here is a good statement then question for you Aaron.... You are the moderator of this forum and that forum is "Open Source" based. How can you claim anything you share here as you holding the title to if you shared it in someone else's thread or as a reply in a thread?

Plain and simple you gave him the idea to make his original circuit work. Weather you call that giving "Teaching" or giving you still volunteered that information by submitting the reply.

Can't we get back to what this forum is all about! Why scare brilliant people off from collaborating by continuing to bicker like this tit for tat posts.

Another question for you Aaron? Do we have to leave this forum and start a new one that we don't have to worry about the moderator overstepping his bounds because we didn't put copyrights on the openly released information? I mean we are doing this for what exactly? I thought it was to learn the truth about science in an open collaborative way.

It seems this is about you, Aaron, really and not about the open source community that you are to be moderating for.

If you sent them Emails stating the proposal of royalties then this is about money then right? How does that reflect on your position as moderator of this open source community? Does this mean you are against the idea of community based sharing of ideas? Obviously your actions speak louder then words here...

You have never provided one single pic or video of any documentation
that you have built anything in your life so I don't see how you have much
to say about it anyway. You talk about a lot of things but show
nothing.

If I show something and someone risks a felony in order to claim they
are the inventor and to block me when I have SIGNIFICANT investment
in my private projects that revolve around it that doesn't concern you,
I have an issue and will obtain ownership of it since ownership of something
I invented was filed for. This is after the fact and if you think anyone
needs to justify anything to you, you should leave. I've provided plenty
to open source and you have NO ROOM TO TALK - AT ALL.

Again, show everyone here what you contribution has been besides a
lot of talk before you question me or anyone else. As far as I know,
you could be a disruptor to put everyone on the wrong track and I'm
not the only one that thinks so. Where are your pics, videos and
anything else showing all these remarkable experiments you keep claiming
you are doing - I haven't seen a single bit of evidence yet.

Mark
03-01-2011, 12:37 AM
My opinion especially after reading the beginning of the threads is that the "invention" was already placed in the public domain as a "free gift" and can not be patented. I think that the only thing that should be done here is whatever is required to ensure that this remains in the public domain for all to share, use, sell or whatever they want to.

Mark

Aaron
03-01-2011, 02:37 AM
If and when this patent should ever be granted, it is of no
consequence to open source builders so all arguments and
opinions about this subject are a moot point. Why argue
for something you ALREADY have?

Mark, why put invention in quotes? Why would you belittle
it in such a way? It is clearly the most elegant version of
any plasma jet ignition that has ever been disclosed to the
public in plasma jet ignition history.

Search and find that disclosing something
publicly does NOT automatically make it public domain and
that is a myth too.

Basically, SO MUCH of what all the "open source" pushers
are claiming about IP in public domain, etc... are FALSE
and it appears so much of the open source technology
movement is to flush out things that others will steal
and try to prevent others from using because most of
the key points are not true. Personal use of a patent,
etc... finding out most is not true as I have been led
to believe. Shame on me I guess.

Open source builders have ALREADY been told even if the
patent is actually granted, they are free to replicate,
improve or whatever else without infringement.

Wow - people who never posted a replication or expressed
any appreciation to me before for this particular circuit
suddenly feel they have something to say about it.

Maybe everyone can see why some people don't want
to share more to open source builders.

Mark
03-01-2011, 03:15 AM
Aaron

I put invention in quotes because I wasn't sure if I should refer to "it" as an invention or circuit or plazma discharge or whatever way one would prefer to "it" as. Don't know why you would think I was trying to "belittle
it in such a way".

The way I have been reading this is that Luc or even someone before him posted the circuit to begin with, and you just made a small change to it. Maybe I'm wrong but thats the way I'm reading it at this point. (I havent read the whole thread) Now I may well be incorrect but if I'm not, I would say that it is thier invention. But I don't really care who's invention it is. After I read the first few posts everyone was so concerned about getting this into the publics hands and making sure it was available and bla bla bla. And now after all the preaching it seems to have once again come down to "show me the money"! This is a good example of why we dont have "free energy" now and probably never will. Anytime money gets involved it ruins everything. Its just sad.

Aaron your comment here: "Wow - people who never posted a replication or expressed any appreciation to me before for this particular circuit suddenly feel they have something to say about it."

Is this your true feelings? People who don't "post" a replication or show you any "appreciation" shouldn't have anything to say? Wow, thats hard core Aaron.

With all due respect,

Mark

aquapulser
03-01-2011, 05:08 AM
Aaron how come you ask everyone who does not agree with your position to show videos of their work when you are not holding your friend / partner Arvind to the same standard of scrutiny.

Did you ever ask Arvind to show you an actual video or working prototype of his ionization detection “invention” ?

The truth is no such device or invention exists, no prototypes of this invention exist. There isn’t even a dummy model.

The ionization detection patent is based on this patent:
Ignition system with ionization detection (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5777216.pdf)

It is very simple. The second booster capacitor is connected in parallel to the spark plug and a circuit detects current across the spark gap. In the event of premature detonation or similar events when ignition is not supposed to happen, the secondary capacitor leaks current which is measured by the ionization detection circuit and depending on the current level a computer determines if the event was actual ignition or premature detonation. If you will look at the original patent there is a graph showing the results of a working device.

In our patent application no such graph is there because no such device exists. Arvind saw this patent and figured that in theory you can place an ionization detection circuit in the luc bypass path and call it a patent. I was the one that wrote up the claims and generated the diagrams.

So if by invention if you mean simply looking up an existing patent and simply redrafting the text then yes this is a genuine “invention”. If you don’t believe me why don’t you ask Arvind to show his invention to this forum. Ask him to post a video of his ionization detection circuit invention!!!

The truth is this circuit will not work because in the water spark plug circuit the single capacitor has to charge upto fire the primary side as well as discharge across the secondary and if premature detonation happens the circuit cannot detect it because there is no current to leak across the gap.
I have attached the ionization detection patent application text as well as images filed for everyone to see. It is simple cut paste.

I am sure since you are so well versed in Patent law, filing for a patent for a non existent device is illegal and is downright a fraud. (This is another reason why this patent application should die as I do not want to commit fraud!)
Tell me again why you want this patent application to be continued after knowing these facts!

So why did Arvind the “inventor” of the ionization detection patent include it…well here is the truth Aaron.

It was basically for insurance against people like you who might say no it was not luc but it was me who came up with the idea first. The purpose was to have enough claims so that the patent application can still stand on its own even if the claim of the bypass path was knocked down during the examination stage as prior art. So even if Luc’s bypass path claim (that you also claim to have invented) was knocked down, the patent application can still be claimed as an ionization detection circuit leaving your disputed claims out!!!!

The coil on plug patent that I came up with is an actual working device that was conceived and prototyped by me without anyone’s contribution from any posting on any forum. This device was part of the working demo that was displayed at tradeshows. Without that patent you cannot use the water spark plug circuit on a coil over plug ignition system.

So to boil it down there are only two working actually existing concepts on this patent application and that is my invention and Luc’s circuit and ironically neither of us want to see this patented.

@Arvind who claims I took everything from him including videos etc: I have left him everything, the Aquapulser website, the Aquapulser brandname, including all customer lists, Ecoignition brand name and customer tradeshow leads.With the exception of the logo image on the Aquapulser site all the photos and images on the www.aqpuapulser.com site were shot by me.

Arvind has also uploaded all the old Aquapulser videos that was made 100% solely by me under his new youtube account:
Aquapulser EcoIgnition - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/ecoignition)

I have never contested any of this even though I have the legal right to and I don’t plan to. He is free to sell plasma ignition products under both these brand names. In fact Aquapulser.com has a well established presence on the internet and comes up first on Google search rankings for plasma ignition.

Yet Arvind he knowingly makes false statements and says this is not enough and I took everything from him when all I did was refuse to assign the patents exclusively to one company because of his business strategy to commercialize the patent that in essence has only two genuine inventions, Luc’s water spark plug circuit and the coil on plug for dual energy ignition, my invention.


@Aaron : You conveniently deleted and edited your posts removing the statement that I have resources to fight you by closing bank accounts. The fact that I closed company bank accounts are a private matter that is known only to me and Arvind. Yet you are aware of these facts and posted them online. Clearly both you and Arvind are conspiring to defame and libel me in this forum in public. The fact that you deleted and sanitized your posts to hide this also shows you have malice of forethought and you are abusing your power as moderator to prevent the members of this forum knowing about your close friendship with Arvind.

You can delete these posts but I have saved them…all your original unedited posts!!

Explain yourself Aaron how you know of these facts about me closing bank accounts and why you deleted them if the only communication between you and Arvind was about the disputed patent application?

thedude
03-01-2011, 06:13 AM
I remember postulating on the subject of inventions revealed in the open community. I believe we work this way for the sake of growing and improving our world and for gaining inspiration. Its unfortunate that in our competitive capitalistic economy, we are simply forced to maintain patent rights for the sake of preventing misuse.

This is a very complicated case. I completely trust and believe Aaron. Although I am troubled by the idea that projects that are published in a open forum, some of which grow and develop there, could eventually become restrictive information to the public as a whole. I don't blame Aaron for the fact that these issues are even being pursued. He was not the one attempting to patent anything until others swooped in. I'm not buying that Aaron's motives are financial, I'd be a bit sore and concerned for clarity after all of this too. However, it seems to go adverse to the spirit of these forums to selectively permit use. Sure hope it doesn't come to that, but given the circumstances, I'd understand if it did.

I really think that this case is a clear example of just how far we are from a competitive economy to one of cooperation.

Sorry things got this difficult Aaron. I glad your getting some justification and clarity here. ;) Be strong!

Aaron
03-01-2011, 07:12 AM
Luc was assisted in his "original" circuit I was told recently.

My "small change", as insignificant as it may seem to some,
proved all the theories wrong, eliminated a lot of
components and completely eliminated the need for a second power
supply in addition to proving it can be had from the same capacitor.

The "bla bla bla" should be qualified as it has never been lip service
to me. I have continued to put the word out to this day and was
actually working on a package to go to a lot of mainstream people
that told them about this method - then when I was going to dedicate
the package to Luc as the initial inspiration for me on this particular
type of ignition method, I searched his name to make sure I spelled it
right to find he took credit for
my very specific innovation in a patent application! lol

Anytime money gets involved? Excuse me, but I pursued this, it would
be countless dollars out of my pocket for legal fees, to finalize the
patent process while at the same time excluding all open source
builders from personal infringement!

Also for your information, having a patent doesn't mean there is money
falling from the sky. It is actually the OPPOSITE except for the minority
of exceptions. AND, without a patent, I could still have certain items
manufactured and make plenty of money even if someone else wanted
to make the same thing. So, please qualify your accusations because
they certainly don't apply to me.

Quoting "post" possibly implies that there are those that replicated it but
never posted it including you. That is nice and everything but anyone
that did replicate it and never felt the need to contribute their findings
I would imagine has the least room to talk out of anyone when it comes
to judging anyone that either has posted and contributed their work
publicly or feels the need to protect something that they evidently
are legally entitled to protect.

admin
03-01-2011, 08:03 AM
I completely trust and believe Aaron. Although I am troubled by the idea that projects that are published in a open forum, some of which grow and develop there, could eventually become restrictive information to the public as a whole. I don't blame Aaron for the fact that these issues are even being pursued. He was not the one attempting to patent anything until others swooped in. I'm not buying that Aaron's motives are financial

I greatly appreciate your words of support! :notworthy:

My motives are not financial because if they were, I'd be working
with company X generating leads and selling stuff that nobody needs
and things that I could care less about - making a FORTUNE. I just
can't get myself to do it no matter what.

I walked away from a health food store that I owned and was in
business for over 25 years (I took it over - loved it but it owned me
instead of me owning it) - used to generate a good 6 figures and I
closed it down 100% to stay home so I could do what I love and was
fortunate that I could work online. That was a good field to be in but
I'd rather take a pay cut doing something that I'm happier about - not
at all a personality trait of someone that is money hungry.

MOST of my time away from personal time is spent on open source
projects that I put more time and effort into than I should considering
the reward is less than my financial investment - but that is what comes
along with simply pursing one's passion and the willingness to share things
that I believe everyone has a right to know.

And I'm actually not trying to patent anything. Out of principle,
I considered pursuing the patent because it is my invention and is actually
patentable and I'd be able to block any company from selling it that
I wanted. And I already said, as admitted by KR that I'd give open source
builders permission to continue to use the circuit all they want. Also,
it would set the record straight of who is the actual inventor. So anyone
complaining that they should have a right to do what they want with it,
well NO DUH! So all those points are moot!

My intent to either pursue the patent application or have it withdrawn is
an option that I have and I don't think any of these other people have
any say so in it.

Even if the patent didn't exist and I wanted to manufacture it and sell
it, and others did too, their efforts would have absolutely no impact on
my ability to make as much money as I wanted off of it. The world is wide
open and there is no one company that could take on the entire world
and no company ever has even in the world of monster conglomerates.

And as for blocking others ability to do anything with it, considering the
nature of some individuals, I'd say I would have absolutely no problem
with blocking certain people from doing anything with it if I honestly
believed had a serious ethical problem.

A rare bible quote from me:
Matthew 7:6

Aaron
03-01-2011, 08:05 AM
I greatly appreciate your words of support! :notworthy:

My motives are not financial because if they were, I'd be working
with company X generating leads and selling stuff that nobody needs
and things that I could care less about - making a FORTUNE. I just
can't get myself to do it no matter what.

I walked away from a health food store that I owned and was in
business for over 25 years (I took it over - loved it but it owned me
instead of me owning it) - used to generate a good 6 figures and I
closed it down 100% to stay home so I could do what I love and was
fortunate that I could work online. That was a good field to be in but
I'd rather take a pay cut doing something that I'm happier about - not
at all a personality trait of someone that is money hungry.

MOST of my time away from personal time is spent on open source
projects that I put more time and effort into than I should considering
the reward is less than my financial investment - but that is what comes
along with simply pursing one's passion and the willingness to share things
that I believe everyone has a right to know.

And I'm actually not trying to patent anything. Out of principle,
I considered pursuing the patent because it is my invention and is actually
patentable and I'd be able to block any company from selling it that
I wanted. And I already said, as admitted by KR that I'd give open source
builders permission to continue to use the circuit all they want. Also,
it would set the record straight of who is the actual inventor. So anyone
complaining that they should have a right to do what they want with it,
well NO DUH! So all those points are moot!

My intent to either pursue the patent application or have it withdrawn is
an option that I have and I don't think any of these other people have
any say so in it.

Even if the patent didn't exist and I wanted to manufacture it and sell
it, and others did too, their efforts would have absolutely no impact on
my ability to make as much money as I wanted off of it. The world is wide
open and there is no one company that could take on the entire world
and no company ever has even in the world of monster conglomerates.

And as for blocking others ability to do anything with it, considering the
nature of some individuals, I'd say I would have absolutely no problem
with blocking certain people from doing anything with it if I honestly
believed had a serious ethical problem.

A rare bible quote from me:
Matthew 7:6

Aaron
03-01-2011, 09:33 AM
Aaron how come you ask everyone who does not agree with your position to show videos of their work when you are not holding your friend / partner Arvind to the same standard of scrutiny.

The truth is this circuit will not work because in the water spark plug circuit the single capacitor has to charge upto fire the primary side as well as discharge across the secondary and if premature detonation happens the circuit cannot detect it because there is no current to leak across the gap.

I do not want to commit fraud!

It was basically for insurance against people like you who might say no it was not luc but it was me who came up with the idea first.

Without that patent you cannot use the water spark plug circuit on a coil over plug ignition system.

So to boil it down there are only two working actually existing concepts on this patent application and that is my invention and Luc’s circuit

@Aaron : You conveniently deleted and edited your posts removing the statement that I have resources to fight you by closing bank accounts.

Clearly both you and Arvind are conspiring to defame and libel me in this forum in public.

The fact that you deleted and sanitized your posts to hide this also shows you have malice of forethought and you are abusing your power as moderator to prevent the members of this forum knowing about your close friendship with Arvind.

Re: ionization detection - that is fine with me - I have already said I
have no interest in that or your coil on plug method. I don't need to see
either one. And to answer you further, I have never seen a demo of it
but again, I told you I have no claim for either of those two inventions
and they're nothing I concern myself about. And to add to that, I have
never seen proof that you have ever invented anything either but again
I'm not concerned with that either.

And Arvind is not my partner is business or any venture and he never
has been and I can prove that what you are claiming is 100% false.

Without the ionization detection circuit, the single cap method works
just fine and it has been used in multiple engines including s special engine
my friend and I machined from scrap metal and tested it on. I might
be am amateur machinist but I am determined.

"because in the water spark plug circuit the single capacitor has to charge upto fire the primary side as well as discharge across the secondary"

It sounds like you don't know the true workings of the circuit and don't
know the true sequence of events. That's ok though because you're not
building ignitions that use it anyway! :thumbsup:

Your explanations of how
this plasma happens is the same one used in all patents that use a
secondary power supply. Although they aren't the single cap method,
they work on the same principles, yet all their explanations are wrong.
It is a short sighted explanation that can only be reached by a very
conventional mindset and thinking outside of the box is required to
actually know what is going on and how to get around what you perceive
to be problems.

I think you mean FURTHER fraud.

Actually, I did come up with my method first and taught it to Luc:

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/lucadmits.jpg

You still didn't answer my questions as we have been over this a few
times that you simply refuse to stop misdirecting people's attention to
something else that has nothing to do with anything - so here they
are again:

"So, for clarification -

1. Were you fully aware I was the inventor of the simple method shown
in the patent? Which you could have committed a felony if you did.

or

2. Did Luc make a false claim to you in which case, you actually were
being honest when you signed the oath?"

I will use MY invention on ANY type of coil that I choose and there is
nothing you can do about it.

It isn't Luc's circuit - see above. And I know the reason you don't want
it patented and it isn't because you want it open sourced - you're MUCH
more concerned about something else. ;)

I don't have anything to say about your Aquapulser issue with Arvind
because that is not my deal and has nothing to do with the issue at
hand.

You're using Hitler's "big lie" technique to repeat over and over that it
is Luc's circuit although it is mine. You can repeat it until your blue in the
face but the facts are that it is my invention and Luc's is a replication
of Todd Miller's or S1R's. The single cap method without a secondary
is something I came up with and taught to Luc. So please desist from
your propaganda that anyone else came up with it.

Conveniently? You really like that word - I can count three times you
used it so far! :thumbsup: Actually, you should go read the note I put in the
edit comments of why I removed that. Now please do post my comment
so you can remind yourself that honesty is the best policy.

Remember Karthi, you said Arvind and I had been good friends for a really
long time and you had emails and skype messages to prove it. :rofl: All
they prove is that I really never knew who he was and that I never knew
who anyone from Aquapulser was until I recently found out when I learned
about the patent application.

You claimed Arvind presented some deal to me to sell the patent and give
me $50,000! A patent that I wasn't even an assignee on and let
alone a patent APPLICATION that I didn't even know existed until last
week. So Arvind wants to sell it, which can't be done without yours
or Luc's permission, and he wants to pass on $50k to me for
a transaction that I'd have no way of knowing about. :suprise:

:rofl: Malice and forethought - sorry - had to chuckle - you probably have
watched too many episodes of csi or whatever other crime shows are
on tv. I provided 4 links to all the google caches of ALL the posts for
anyone that cares to read them - EVERYTHING is in there - go check
it out.

Save what you like, I have nothing to hide. I ALREADY admitted
I asked for the entire patent to be assigned to me when I thought it
was only about my invention. There are plenty of other examples. In
any case, all your accusations against me I can without a doubt prove
that you not only are fabricating blatant lies about me and my relationship
with Arvind, which actually only began when he responded to the very
FIRST email that I sent to BOTH OF YOU!

Ever since then, he has taken the time to address any of my concerns
while you and Luc tucked your tails between your legs and disappeared
from the conversation, posted my private email, posted my private
discussions when I asked not to - you and Luc violated my privacy
in addition to copyright laws, which I find actually protect private email
especially when it is posted in the email that it is intended.

Arvind is the only that has acted with any kind of integrity while you
and Luc are engaged in some kind of dog and pony show behind the
scenes and in this forum.

And I don't have to have Arvind tell me things that I can research on
my own. You claim to have dissolved Ecoignition because Richard Hann
was trying to sue or make claims against Ecoignition so you closed
Ecoignition to boot out someone that was trying to sell a patent
APPLICATION and you claimed you closed Ecoignition so Richard
Hann wouldn't get anything and about the patent , you keep claiming
over and over has "NO COMMERCIAL VALUE!" :rofl: That is what you
claimed. And if it has "no commercial value" - why would anyone that
has been able to amass such a fortune be crazy enough to want to
buy it?

1. So if it had no commercial value, why in the world would anyone buy it?
2. How would it be sold unless you and Luc consented to the sell being
that both of you were also assignees to the application? :thinking: You seem
to have convinced Luc that Arvind could do this without both of your
permission - that is so completely laughable!!!

You dissolve Ecoignition because you publicly state Richard Hann was
trying to sue or make claims against the company because it owed
him money or something. Yet, soon after, here you are registering a domain
name for another ignition company and you claim it is Richard Hann's
and you only did the web work in lieu of payment! :rofl:

I've heard some hilarious stories in my life but I have to tell you, that
this 'might' just take the :bcake:.

"And always let your conscience be your guide." - The Blue Fairy

Mark
03-01-2011, 09:44 PM
My opinion especially after reading the beginning of the threads is that the "invention" was already placed in the public domain as a "free gift" and can not be patented. I think that the only thing that should be done here is whatever is required to ensure that this remains in the public domain for all to share, use, sell or whatever they want to.

Mark

Aaron

I'm not sure why you continue attacking me. Reread my first post again. I thought the reason that we all came to this thread is so we could all work together to try and solve the energy problems. If someone comes up with a way to run an engine on water, sweet!:thumbsup: When can I buy one!

My post was a statement. I dont care who owns it, I just dont want it to get covered up. I want people to be able to build it, sell it, whatever. Where can I buy one!

LoL, I don't know why I'm wasting my time here with this post.

Aaron you need to relax a little before you have a stroke. Dont be so defensive. I made a simple statement and you attack. I probably should have just left it but I didn't. I'm going to try and make this my last post on this particular thread. But before I go I've got one more thing to say.

I dont really care about all the legalities of this whole situation. I don't have a clue as to who is right or wrong and I really dont care. What I care about most is, if we can't build one ourselves, where can we buy one. Isn't that the end objective here. You know why I don't care about the legalities. Because I dont have anything invested into it. I dont have any time or money invested. Dont kid yourselves, it always boild down to the money in the end if you think about it.

mikrovolt
03-01-2011, 10:50 PM
you guys need to physically get together and draw up an agreement.
If it comes to money then stock (paper ownership) is issued so that later
if the business grows then equitable means can be established. the intellectual property is clearly community until reasonable efforts to include the parties involved. Believe me it all works out the same.

Aaron
03-02-2011, 12:38 AM
What I care about most is, if we can't build one ourselves, where can we buy one. Isn't that the end objective here. You know why I don't care about the legalities. Because I dont have anything invested into it. I dont have any time or money invested. Dont kid yourselves, it always boild down to the money in the end if you think about it.

You are seriously, intentionally, doing a very good job at ignoring the
MULTIPLE times it has been stated what with OR without this patent,
is that there isn't any restrictions on personal use!

Just to highlight:
"I don't care about the legalities. Because I dont have anything invested into it. I dont have any time or money invested."

Yes, exactly! :thumbsup: You have nothing to lose and therefore is very easy
for you to have an opinion about it.

On the other hand, myself and my partners DO have a LOT of money,
time, and effort setup that we have invested with THIS exact
ignition method amongst several other pieces of the puzzle.

Luc's choice to falsely claim to be the inventor and take an oath on
top of it in order to file a patent to "protect" my circuit for open source
builders is not only one of the most pathetic excuses I've heard in my
life but has an intent, within the patent itself, to block our ability to
manufacture my own invention.

Luc made such a poor choice to assume what he did and he cannot
escape the consequences no matter how far he runs and neither can
Karthi.

When you do have something to lose, when you do have substantial
time, money and effort involved in something, then maybe, just maybe,
your opinion of the matter will carry some weight.

You say so yourself that you don't care because you have nothing
invested! :wall: Yeah, no kidding.

Mark
03-02-2011, 12:55 AM
Exactly my point!! If I had my MONEY involved I would feel differently! Because its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! GET IT!

thedude
03-02-2011, 01:11 AM
you guys need to physically get together and draw up an agreement.
If it comes to money then stock (paper ownership) is issued so that later
if the business grows then equitable means can be established. the intellectual property is clearly community until reasonable efforts to include the parties involved. Believe me it all works out the same.

I agree in principle on this mikrovolt. However my experience with indulging in deeper business relationships with someone who has betrayed your trust could very well be an example of the parable Aaron uncharacteristically quoted. I will uncharacteristically site it as well.

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6)

I have felt this way, being a floor layer in a relatively small town that might employ a maximum of 10 independent sub-contractors, I am often forced to team up with another flooring college with whom i have a long history with. I bring this up because in more than 25 years in this trade i've had to do so repeatedly with particular individuals on larger commercial jobs that i'm unable to complete on my own. It has been my experience that once the milk of trust is soured, it very nearly never is repaired and tends to lead back to very similar issues repeatedly. I've literally had deja vu like experiences which were not deja vu at all but more like watching a rerun of an episode of the gong show playing over again and again each time i forget the trouble of the past.

I don't say this lightly. I'm a big proponent of, "Forgive and forget". But in the business world, I'm not very optimistic about what measure of success this old motto really has. Ultimately this is Aaron's to decide, what measure of deception is excusable and which is not. Clearly not all partys are purposely violating trust in this case, and in that case, yes. I do agree that a face to face would have to be done to really come to some resolution whereby a productive outcome could be achieved.

I'm now thinking a bit about where i keep losing all my pearls!!! Lol!

@Aaron - Thanks Aaron for the respect.:notworthy: I say these things in your support, as i realize that the very domain name i host is literally riding on the coat tails of your immediate membership base. Not once did you ever indicate offence to this activity on my part. I was quite concerned that i had offended you (paranoid of this even) and offered to retract my objectives and perhaps even donate the domain, to which, if my memory serves, you were more than gentlemanly. Worked out and i hope i didn't crush too many of your toes. You showed poise and fairness then and every time i've read one of your posts.

Aaron
03-02-2011, 03:37 AM
Exactly my point!! If I had my MONEY involved I would feel differently! Because its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! GET IT!

All about the money? ALL money and all other investments between
myself and my partners were ALL done without every having any concern
about having our project's items patented!

Why in the world would anyone with any kind of decency have a problem
with anyone being concerned that their investment money could all be
at risk because someone tries to steal credit for something that wasn't
theirs while trying to block anyone from doing anything commercial with
it, therefore flushing a good portion of the investment money down the
drain???

Your claim it is "ALL ABOUT THE MONEY" is complete and utter nonsense!

You say that in a way that implies that is all that anyone cares about here.
"ALL" about the money means that nobody cares about any integrity,
any principles, any ethics, any massive amounts of personal time
invested, etc... countless things you seem to think you just need to
throw out the windows without having any respect for them because you
just want to lump everything into one big greedy claim.

By inferring that everyone here has an issue because it is all about the
money is a slap in the face of everyone that is NOT concerned "ALL
ABOUT THE MONEY" but it is easier for you, who has never invested any
time or money into any of this to point the finger. :suprise:

Mark
03-02-2011, 04:12 AM
Aaron

You still don't get it. You keep assuming that I'm against you when I'm not. I dont have any problem with someone protecting their investments.

I don't know who the rightful owner is. But lets just assume it IS you. Now someone is trying to patent your invention. Steal your invention and make big money off it. THEY are doing it for the money Aaron. This doesn't have to be about you. You can have all the best intentions and someone else can step in and make it about the money. You can analyze this situation anyway you want but it always ends up being about the money. Why are you so offended by this truth? Its just the way things are like it or not.

Aaron
03-02-2011, 04:34 AM
I'm a big proponent of, "Forgive and forget". But in the business world, I'm not very optimistic about what measure of success this old motto really has. Ultimately this is Aaron's to decide

I was quite concerned that i had offended you (paranoid of this even) and offered

I am too but I believe the forget isn't a literal forget to have no memory
of it but just means to move on.

And with this wisdom, that I think it is wisdom...

"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

The oldest root (that I can find) - and it isn't from the Bible.

"For Who deceives me once, God forgive him; if twice, God forgive him; but if thrice, God forgive him, but not me, because I could not beware.
[1611 Tarlton's Jests (1844) 11]"

Even though that is three times fooled point is, if it happens again, it
is my/our fault because we did not beware. We can only do this by
preserving in our memory so that we know who to avoid or what to do
differently next time. We can only learn by our mistakes if we remember
what happened of course.

I can forgive them but that doesn't mean there aren't things that still need
to be wrapped up.

-------------------------

With your website, I was just glad someone was doing it. I had considered
it but you already got the ball rolling so no need and it apparently has been
a very welcome addition as far as I can see!

Aaron
03-02-2011, 04:42 AM
Aaron

You still don't get it. You keep assuming that I'm against you when I'm not. I dont have any problem with someone protecting their investments.

I don't know who the rightful owner is. But lets just assume it IS you. Now someone is trying to patent your invention. Steal your invention and make big money off it. THEY are doing it for the money Aaron. This doesn't have to be about you. You can have all the best intentions and someone else can step in and make it about the money. You can analyze this situation anyway you want but it always ends up being about the money. Why are you so offended by this truth? Its just the way things are like it or not.

That makes perfect sense when you qualify your statements but when
stating them in a blanket way that it appeared, that seems to apply to me
too.

I apologize I misunderstood you.

Anyway, these two people who claim to be such champions for open
source have a lot of conflicts in their statements - I just hope everyone
can see them. First of all, for two people to be such protectors of
open source, why would they want to patent something to begin with.
And for two, when they dissolved the company that was the patents
assignee, why did they reassign it to themselves instead of simply letting
it lapse - and then someone says it was being redirected to them
for "safe keeping". lol

Claiming a patent is necessary to protect open source is the same thing
in the story 1984 when someone holds up X amount of fingers and tells
the person that they see a different number of fingers.

Aaron
03-02-2011, 05:06 AM
I am sure since you are so well versed in Patent law, filing for a patent for a non existent device is illegal and is downright a fraud. (This is another reason why this patent application should die as I do not want to commit fraud!)

Tell me again why you want this patent application to be continued after knowing these facts!

I never claimed to be well versed in patent law. I have QUOTED IP attorneys,
the USPTO laws, articles from legal organization, etc... that spell out what
I have said in plain English.

And with the ionization detection circuit - just because there are other
similar circuits - doesn't mean anything. There are a LOT of patents
for water filters - doesn't mean there isn't room for other ideas on water
filters.

Let me quote you not just the law, but quotes from even more patent
attorneys to prove that you refuse to stop misleading people here with
your ridiculous concoctions - in regards to your "non-existent device":

First of all, the "device" is called a prototype for your information. And
you claim that a prototype is needed to have a valid patent claim. You
furthermore claim that not having an actual prototype is, let me quote
you: "illegal and is downright a fraud."

And you fail at yet another feeble attempt to make yourself look like
such a righteous angel that you don't want your hands dirtied by
being associated with a patent application that has no prototype.

So...

---------------

"A prototype is not required to file for a patent, but I recommend them before filing." - Kafantaris Law Group

---------------

DO YOU NEED A PROTOTYPE PRIOR TO FILING A PATENT APPLICATION? | NEUSTEL LAW OFFICES, LTD (http://www.patent-ideas.com/prototype.htm)
Do You Need a Prototype to Patent an Invention?

"Many inventors wonder if they need a prototype prior to patenting an invention. The simple answer is "no'. A prototype is not required prior to filing a patent application with the U.S. Patent Office." Neustel Law Offices


(And please don't try to say a prototype is required after either LOL - they
can be helpful for examiners but are NOT required to grant a patent)


-------------

The only requirement I can find that requires a prototype be built other
than some private purchase deal or whatever is for the Boy Scout
Inventing Merit Badge!

Preliminary Requirements for Inventing Merit Badge*|*Scouting News (http://www.scoutingnews.org/2010/06/06/inventing-merit-badge-draft/)

And I quote: "7. Build a working prototype of the item you invented"

Perhaps you had a local Scout Troop confused with the USPTO. :whistle:

Ordo_Ab_Chao
03-04-2011, 12:34 AM
Hello Aaron,
I have been following this for a while...a LONG while ;)

I am actually a returning member, my alt username was radiant_1, Humble_servant...and we we're in that skype channel hosted by David in D.C. (before you started this forum)

I was one of the first to replicate YOUR single capacitor version. I got great results with a 2500uf capacitor :D ...a little too great ;)

Remember we had a disagreement on the mode of operation? Anyway......

I can vouch for the fact that Luc's circuit was definitely different, and that he was excited about your simplification.

I also want to say, don't even sweat the little stuff, I agree that since a patent has been filed for your invention, you should be on the damn thing. Screw all the people whining...you deserve recognition and compensation, since it is going to be used to make money under someone elses name....GET IT! LOL

Vickers
03-10-2011, 01:24 AM
Hmmm... Tough call. Greed and ego.
I mean the system does not actually work at all if trying to run a car engine on water alone.
But the novelty of that big spark will sell millions of units to teenage boy racers all over the globe.
Their conventional plugs wont last long hence the need for Aarons tungsten plug, but even tungsten don't last much longer.
So there will be a huge market for replacement plugs.

Maybe aquapulse should supply the spark and Aaron supply the plugs.

Shake hands, have a beer, and get on with saving the planet.
:cheers:

Aaron
03-10-2011, 03:51 AM
Hmmm... Tough call. Greed and ego.
I mean the system does not actually work at all if trying to run a car engine on water alone.
But the novelty of that big spark will sell millions of units to teenage boy racers all over the globe.
Their conventional plugs wont last long hence the need for Aarons tungsten plug, but even tungsten don't last much longer.
So there will be a huge market for replacement plugs.

Maybe aquapulse should supply the spark and Aaron supply the plugs.

Shake hands, have a beer, and get on with saving the planet.
:cheers:

Thanks Ordo!

@Vickers - actually, there are some limited successes in proving that
if this ignition has enough joules in it per blast that it can indeed run
an engine on water. It is not good for the engine but it proves it can
be done but not practical in my opinion. This is why the interest in the
NH3 & N2O production from air, water and electricity, which is what
was done on the real water cars and with the proper fuel, the plasma
does not have to be as strong.

I believe it is not merely a novelty but to each their own. It demonstrates
a few profound concepts that most people won't agree with but the
tests reveal everything that I predicted would happen.

The Tungsten plug development or the "nascent plug" was not mine.
That was Rosco's team. I did however find ways around it in different
applications. However, on small discharges, that DO make a difference,
off the shelf non-resistor plugs will last long enough to make it worthwhile.

And if it is for all out racing applications, nobody is going to care if a plug
lasts for one race - anything to slice off the time just that one extra bit.

I cannot comment on anything new at the moment, however it was already
stated a couple times that I was willing to offer something that would
be inclusive of everyone, including Luc despite what has happened.

Arvind was the only one that expressed interest and the others decided
that a win-win was not a favorable course of action at that time at least.
Perhaps I am mistaken and they actually want to explore their options now,
but neither of them have indicated that to me. I haven't closed the final
door yet and am always open.

Aaron
03-10-2011, 03:53 AM
I got great results with a 2500uf capacitor :D ...a little too great ;)

I'd say so - that is a tad bit big! lol

Ordo_Ab_Chao
03-10-2011, 06:12 AM
@Aaron
It actually worked perfectly for what I did. I got rid of the spark plug all together, and tested some "3 electrode" combos ;) It's also great for electromagnets.....hint hint
Everything anyone could ever need is throughout this forum....just gotta put it all together.

Anyway, good luck with your endevours. I hope it works for all who deserve credit :cheers:

Aaron
03-10-2011, 07:13 AM
I got rid of the spark plug all together, and tested some "3 electrode" combos ;) It's also great for electromagnets.....hint hint
Everything anyone could ever need is throughout this forum....just gotta put it all together.

Yep, I'm glad there are others that have seen it :)

Mad Hornet SparkAmplifier
03-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Dear Friends,

We here at Green Intentions USA want to thank everyone for the help with the theft of our IP. It was because of all of you that we found out who was stealing from us and selling knock offs of our technology. Thanks to all we now have all the evidence we need. Below is a list of the companies that are involved with the crime.

The company who we believe that is responsible for the crime is a company called EDI diodes Electronics Devices Inc. (a Chinese based company) Below are the names of the suspects:

(alias)JIMMY HUANG REAL NAME (Zhi Min Huang)
PRESIDENT OF EDI –Electronic Devices, Inc.
and various other companies such as (these companies were formed during contract negotiations)
Shanghai Jianeng Technology, Inc. – a Chinese company
GREENPOWER DEVICES INC. – an American company
email jimmyhuang54@gmail.com
Jimmy is a foreign national who told us he has dual citizenship
He is the ringleader

HANK KOLOKOWSKY
EDI –Electronic Devices, Inc.
email hank_kolokowsky@yahoo.com
800-678-0828

JOHN DILEO
VICE PRESIDENT OF SALES at EDI –Electronic Devices, Inc.
email john.d@edidiodes.com

Night Vision Array, High Voltage Rectifiers, Fast Recovery diodes, Avalanche Diodes, High Current Assemblies, Full wave Bridges. (http://www.edidiodes.com)

This company was hired by us and paid to make the diode blocks.They then breached our agreement and sold our technology to both our competitors.We also believe that they tried to reverse engineer our unit. If you are having trouble with any of the suspected products please write to this email musclecars4u@hotmail.com. If you need immediate assistance go to this address and contact us Electronic Design & Development Corp. (http://www.ed2.biz) . We will be offering free tech support to get you going. If you suspect the equipment you have to be counterfeit please call the FBI. We will also try and help those people too.

Blue phoenixignition was notified and has not complied with our requests.Currently we are not sure about how deeply they are involved the owner Richard Hann has been in contact with us and talks continue.

Ecoignition has complied and has removed the material from their website. We thank them for that.

If anyone has any information about these companies or anyone suspected in IP theft please contact the FBI.

Sincerely

Gary Oldenburg
COB/Green Intentions USA
:thumbsup:

Aaron
03-12-2011, 11:38 PM
@$UM1 - WHY? Why do you insist of posting this on my private profile page
where hardly anyone will see it? Let me help you:

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"DISPUTE - Energy Efficient Plasma Generation Pub. No.: US 2010/0319644 A1

Really wish everyone would stop trying to claim something $um1 else has done before them as there own... As Terro & Classen are my educators & anyone else who follows showing such systems. I am disappointed humanity these days.... I out of respect to those who originated this have not followed up on these systems commercially... And I will not go without telling & competing with any of these posers who are claiming it as their own after the original guys or myself do so 1st. I have so much more to offer but
1 I'm broke have no more money to research and build not to mention live comfortable...
AND 2,,,, LOOK AT THIS CRAP EVERYONE INVOLVED KNOWS IT'S NOT THEIRS AND THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING MORE THEN HAVE MONEY TO GET MORE MONEY....

THIS IS WRONG IT SHOWS HOW MUCH HUMANITY SUCKS AND HOW SELFISH AND GREEDY PEOPLE REALLY ARE.... THIS IS NOT COOL AND I AM BUILDING TO COMPETE NOW.... I DON'T KNOW HOW WITHOUT FUNDS BUT IT WILL COME TO ME IT ALWAYS DOES....


I Like this quote I dislike this quote“Let the future tell the truth, and evaluate each one according to his work and accomplishments. The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine.”

Nikola Tesla:superman:"

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First of all, Tero or anyone else did NOT invent the plasma ignition type
circuit. YOUR videos you post descriptions stating it does NOT burn water
and will only work when the gap is small and closed up.

The patent application in question has NOTHING to do with hooking an
inverter across the plug and this is MY invention - not yours, not Tero's,
not Classen's. Period, get over it please.

I addressed the Todd Miller issue - if you can't even post here in public
with your own name attached to it, what is the point of trying to take
credit for something anyway if you are anonymous, which you aren't
really since Luc ALREADY posted your private email, I removed your
personal email out of respect for your privacy and so your email isn't
taken by spam bots. You contacted me by instant message, I've seen
your videos, and they are NOT the same.

Why don't you have the integrity to simply lay out what you want to
say here for everyone to see instead of trying to hide out by posting in
my personal profile page?

The plasma jet ignition method has been patented by countless companies
including NGK, Nissan, Mazda, you name it for the last 40 years or so and
if you want to claim that you, Tero and Classen invented the plasma
ignition, you are seriously uninformed.

The patent application - I NEVER claimed to have invented the plasma
ignition, just the simple method using a single cap on the front. If anyone
else has done this before, it has never been revealed publicly before so
my claim stands.

If you think that method was invented by you, Tero and Classen, PROVE IT
or stop bothering me. I gave you ample opportunity to post something
here to back your claims.

Here is Luc's post about your claims:
http://www.energeticforum.com/131844-post4.html

Here is my little research on your claims - respond to them or stop
harassing me:

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I did a little bit of research into Todd Miller's claims. Basically, I can't find
anything to back the claim that his plasma ignition has anything to do with
my method that is in the patent.

Here is a cached site:
Todd Miller's Page - HHOINFO (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WmUE9SHpbQoJ:hhoinformation.com/profile/ToddMiller+%22todd+miller%22+ignition&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com#axzz1EpBrrLHC)

At the bottom, there is a link to a pdf:
plasma02_fullschematic.pdf (http://redirectingat.com/?id=4660X646420&xs=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.ning.com%2Ffiles%2FztiYYy89aa UK*ZeFVU8MIDB7vR*5aG4SYdrmBQnr4fUZfNXbKGiorSxNjDOq IsUNBOhU08hFElzsqBrFqzGEzIEL2OKqOJhVHeh2xVtn2FQ_%2 Fplasma02_fullschematic.pdf&sref=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2 Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3AWmUE9SHpbQoJ%3Ahhoinformatio n.com%2Fprofile%2FToddMiller%2B%2522todd%2Bmiller% 2522%2Bignition%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26g l%3Dus%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26source%3Dwww.google.com%23axzz1EpBrrLHC)

It goes here:
http://api.ning.com/files/ztiYYy89aa...lschematic.pdf (http://api.ning.com/files/ztiYYy89aaUK*ZeFVU8MIDB7vR*5aG4SYdrmBQnr4fUZfNXbKG iorSxNjDOqIsUNBOhU08hFElzsqBrFqzGEzIEL2OKqOJhVHeh2 xVtn2FQ_/plasma02_fullschematic.pdf)

It looks like an attempt to replicate the Puharich concept possibly.

Here is Todd Miller's HHO page:
HHOINFO (http://hhoinformation.com/profile/ToddMiller#axzz1EpDN7sOY)

There are almost no straight up ignition schematics in that whole site.
There was one on this page:
HHOINFO (http://hhoinformation.com/forum/topics/plasma-arc-ignition-circuit#axzz1EpDN7sOY)

That has this:
http://api.ning.com/files/Dr8hgUUw-R...ArcCircuit.pdf (http://api.ning.com/files/Dr8hgUUw-R2GEhTjgVG4CF*zoCWgoXOKbT2U6O35K9fyxyoqFlw1NmJtamd 60Z0MkDttwqtXlsHnv8ID58rhS3HRmVhdSIDN/CozzcoPlasmaArcCircuit.pdf)

But that is just the Nexus circuit.

The Nexus circuit is nothing more than Luc's original June 27, 2008
diagram but instead of a cap discharge into the primary, it is triggered
by just battery input alone and there is a cap across the rectified output
of the inverter. In other words - virtually identical in concept to the
Suckewer - Princeton patents. So Nexus was not a new or different way
to do the plasma ignition by any stretch of the imagination.

On this google cache page:
Todd Miller's Page - HHOINFO (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WmUE9SHpbQoJ:hhoinformation.com/profile/ToddMiller+%24um1+plasma+ignition&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com#axzz1EpBrrLHC)

Todd says he openly he is fastimports3 on Youtube.

Now, YouTube - Plasma Ignition Installed on Van (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjNaUa9eBCI)
that is one of his videos. And a few comments on his video:
Very nice! I'm working on this ignition system too. Should give some nice results. Try increasing the gap of your plugs.


brianempson (http://www.youtube.com/user/brianempson) 2 years ago
Don't increase gap cut the j-tip of the plug back a little and side gap the plug. Increasing the gap kills the plasma arc effect. Also use NGK non-resistor V-power racing plugs. They have worked the best for me. Works way better than MSD 6AL box using gasoline for fuel...... I'm still think it might explode pre-conditioned (Hydrogen Enriched)water too.


fastimports3 (http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3) 2 years ago
small question
can it explode mist water?
i'm also doing same expiremnt.


dreamyear (http://www.youtube.com/user/dreamyear) 2 years ago
At this time it doesn't explode water.
But I have a couple other things to try still.


fastimports3 (http://www.youtube.com/user/fastimports3) 2 years agoI'd recommend everyone look at that video - it doesn't sound the same
as this plasma effect. Nor do any of his other videos. The plasma doesn't
even look the same. Plasma isn't plasma isn't plasma. You can light a
match and claim that is plasma because fire is plasma. A standard
Kettering spark ignition is technically a plasma ignition system since every
"spark" is a plasma. But this water sparkplug thread plasma is distinctly
different from any of these.

Todd Miller says not to increase the gap as it kills the effect AND that
it doesn't explode water. Well, all of us here that has used the method
in this forum know full well that increasing the gap gives a BIGGER AND
BIGGER effect up to the max gap possible that the discharge can
break down.

I showed that a long time ago in addition to it exploding water like mad,
but specifically to show that this is different from what he is doing,
here is this video - when I open the strap up, it gets crazy big with the
booster caps.

YouTube - Water Sparkplug | Plasma Ignition| Booster Caps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGcqDd83hbw)

I originally posted that in June 08 on youtube most most people know
my entire account was cancelled by youtube. I didn't violate anyone's
copyright because I made all my own videos. A youtube insider told me
that it was closed due to "spamming".

So Todd's system's effect gets killed when opening up the gap and it
doesn't explode water. I think claims that my method in the patent is
NOT the same.

In a few of Todd's videos, it seems he is using HV from an ignition coil
in addition to 110 volts from an inverter in parallel with the plug. Basically,
what Luc was doing in the s1r replication attempts.

Todd lists this as his "homepage"
Electric Fields and Moving Media, Stanley Meyer Explained - Heretical Builders (http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174)

If Todd can show differently, I'm all ears but so far, it appears that
his circuits are closer to the one Luc posted originally with the inverter
connected to the plug, which of course has nothing to do with the
schematic on the patent in question.

rickoff
03-13-2011, 01:55 AM
@$UM1 - WHY? Why do you insist of posting this on my private profile page where hardly anyone will see it?

Looks like you're not the only one to receive $UM1's message on their profile page. It showed up on mine, too, and I imagine a lot of others here have been spammed in the same way. PM's should seldom be used, and only in an appropriate manner.

Rick

Aaron
03-13-2011, 02:47 AM
Looks like you're not the only one to receive $UM1's message on their profile page. It showed up on mine, too, and I imagine a lot of others here have been spammed in the same way. PM's should seldom be used, and only in an appropriate manner.

Rick

Hi Rick,

Yes, I got a message from someone else that he posted it on their personal
profile page too, which only ensures that hardly anyone will see what he
wants everyone to see so I posted it here.

I really have no problem with him claiming what he is claiming, I don't
buy it, but I certainly want him to voice his concerns.

I asked for a specific schematic and he refuses to answer anything in
my response, refuses to show a schematic, refuses to do anything other
than claim Luc and this patent application is based on his circuit.

So I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish by making these claims but
refusing to offer up anything to back it up. He sent me youtube video
links, I saw them and they reveal that that has nothing to do with the
patent application schematic based on my simple design.

@Todd Miller - it isn't helpful to post your complaints in people's private
forums. I understand you think you have a concern so discuss it here.
Why don't you have your teachers Tero and Chassel come here and post
their schematics as well so we can all see what you are claiming. Why
don't you do that? Why not post your own schematics as well?
I used to correspond to Tero - ask him (qiman13 username). I remember
he had a "plasma ignition". I don't remember the details, that was a few
years ago, but if it is the plasma jet ignition method, he is only copying
what has already been patented for 40 years or so. If you think different,
I suggest you actually do some research so you can see the facts.

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turbotrana
03-15-2011, 12:47 PM
From a consumers point of view:
Q. What happened to the backup service or warranty for the purchasers of the short lived Aquapulser.
A. No more company, no warranty or backup.

Q. Why should I spend $$$ on Blue Phoenix Ignition for a product that could end up the same as Aquapulser. (mad Hornet has thrown a spanna in the works now and does not seem to even have any products on the market to sell)
A. Don't spend until this matter is sorted.

There are buyer of this product out there so you better milk them now. As soon as the Chinese get hold of it you may as well forget about any patents as they wont be worth anything. Chinese will copy it, they will improve it and they will sell cheaper than it cost any US company to manufacture it.

Aaron
03-15-2011, 05:51 PM
From a consumers point of view:
Q. What happened to the backup service or warranty for the purchasers of the short lived Aquapulser.
A. No more company, no warranty or backup.

Do you know this as a fact from experience or are you simply making
up an answer?

turbotrana
03-16-2011, 12:57 AM
Do you know this as a fact from experience or are you simply making
up an answer?

Not fact or experience, but if Aquapulser is no longer then who is going to warrant their products. There is no legal obligation on Blue Phoenix if its a seperate legal entity. It would only be goodwill if they chose to.

moose 53
03-16-2011, 01:25 AM
Aaron do you have information on who is warranting Aquapulser units. We returned two RPG 4700 units and one 1 joule unit for warranty replacement on or around 6/14/2010 . We were offered a refund but chose to wait for the new units . Now that Aquapulser is split we have not been able to get our units.

Aaron
03-16-2011, 08:56 AM
Moose, there are still good people that actually do care.

I'll skype you a message in the next few days.

Aaron
03-27-2011, 01:24 AM
closed closed closed

Aaron
03-17-2018, 12:18 AM
This thread is reposted in the public forum to act as a public record of the facts about Luc Choquette and his fraudulent claims that he is the inventor of my circuit. And you can see how him and Karthik went behind Arvind's back as posted by Arvind himself.

This is being done due to some posts about Luc Choquette in this thread and my own post on March 15, 2018 (yesterday). http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20868-continued-tests-3-battery-system.html

Take note of Turion's posts about Luc and Luc's method of examining the 3 Battery System, etc. I made my own post to give my own testimony about Luc and his fraud, lies and deceit.

RAMSET posts in Luc's defense on that thread and I will copy it here for the record as Luc posted this in 2015 somewhere online to answer questions about why he took part in the patent that has the plasma ignition circuit, which is MY sole invention. I will respond to the lies cooked up by Luc below, but they are actually already answered in this thread.

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in 2015 [I think] Luc was asked By a member at Stefan's about this issue
his response here, [ I had seen this question at the time ,but forgot about the reply...a member here forwarded this to me today.

Luc
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Okay, I'll do my best to explain the basic events without going into too many details but I'll cover enough so those who don't know about the water spark circuit can understand.

On June 25 2008 while experimenting on plasma spark I happen to combine a high voltage of an ignition coil with a low voltage of a capacitor.
The combination of these two with a high voltage blocking diode on the capacitor created a very enhanced spark which has an even greater effect if sprayed with a fine mist of water. The effect is more light and a very load cracking sound which I thought could be a dissociation of hydrogen oxygen of the water mist.
At about 6pm EST on June 26th I started a topic on the Overunity forum and titled it: " URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE"
URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Foverunity.com%2F5024%2Furge nt-water-as-fuel-discovery-for-everyone-to-share%2F%23.VbqZBEb_rIU)

Please note the Overunity topic is dated June 27th but notice the time is 12:01am which is Berlin time, so 6 hours ahead of my Eastern Standard Time. So the information was publicly shared at 6pm EST on June 26th
Here is the 1st YouTube demo video which is correctly dated June 26th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R2fNukDCPs (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3D8R2fNukDCPs)

It's important to know the date the information was first publicly shared and my intent.
On my first video above please listen to my message between 4:23 and 4:52 and ignore the theories I shared.
Message: what I'm doing is, I want everyone to start thinking about this (circuit) and trying to get this effect and Improve it. I'm not the best in electronics, it's not really my field. So I'm posting this so people can start working on it and get this working. So let me show you what I've got so far.

One week later on July 4th 2008, Arron of the Energetic Forum started a topic and titled it "Water Sparkplug"
Water Sparkplug (http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/2242-water-sparkplug.html)

On July 13th 2008 after participants suggestions of better diodes and me also using a single pole double throw relay to charge and discharge the capacitor, the effect was much better then the first video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxnRQ7fkWtE (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3DFxnRQ7fkWtE)

On September 9th 2008: Arron posted a video with Peter Lindemann demonstrating the effect of the spark which was titled: "Peter Lindemann's Replication of Arron's circuit based on Luc's (gotoluc) method"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOhNtRhJ5Rw (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3DvOhNtRhJ5Rw)
Notice some recognition towards me in the video and title. Remember this when you read the below.

Around the beginning of April 2009, I was contacted by two individuals, one called Arvind and the other Kathik from a business they started in the US called Aquapulser.
They liked the high voltage diode blocked high current capacitor spark effect so much they decided to start a business and manufactured a ready made plug and play device so consumers could purchase. I was very happy they had done this as that would help to get it out faster and wished them the very best.
They told me they had been following the topic on each forum and from their research considered me to be the originator of the high voltage diode blocked high current capacitor spark effect.
They offered me a free sample of their device in recognition. They told me they couldn't afford to give more out because of their large start up investment which I understood.
Later on they contacted me again and suggested to patent the circuit since a bigger corporation could possibly patent it (even though it was open source) and could then prevent Aquapulser to manufacturing it.
They had a valid point as open source information is not as protected as some may think. So we had a written agreement that they can hold the patent only to prevent big corporations to use it and Aquapulser could not interfere with the open source community. Aquapulser paid for all patent and attorney costs.
Once again I wished them success and didn't ask for any profit as I admired their efforts and wanted them to have the ability to re-gain the huge expenses of the patent costs.
The patent included my name as one of the inventors along with Arvind and Karthik. This way they couldn't sell it without my consent because of the written joint ownership agreement. So even though I didn't wish to profit on Aquapulser sales, I was part owner of the patent document which secure it.
This ended up being good, because in early 2011 the two owners of Aquapulser were in disagreement. Karthik didn't agree with Arvind's new change of direction. He though Arvind was considering the sale the patent for profit and felt (rightfully so) this was not what we had agreed on.
Karthik contacted me and suggested we combine our ownership of the patent document to gain control of it and then together we could agree to dissolve it.
I had to trust Karthik's plan and be sure he would follow through once the first step was done. Karthik followed through as he promised. He also took care of all the legal details and the original patent was dissolved. However, "for some reason", it coincided Aaron found out there was a patent filed and on the Energetic Forum he started to publicly accuse me of steeling his circuit and so on.
I mostly ignored him as I knew my intent was good and was of no profit or benefit to me.
Then Aaron joined forces with Arvind and demanded a new patent be created and that there was no reason to have my name as inventor because it had nothing to do with my circuit.
However, the patent attorney did not see it the way Aaron did as I'm sure he had done some research on the first patent (before putting it together) which is now dissolved.
The patent attorney tried to reason with Aaron. However, after a few weeks and so many harassing emails from Aaron the patent attorney quit and said he would not ever get involved again unless there was a prior agreement reached.

What I didn't mention is, during the months this was going on, I was overseas in South Africa for 6 months at my travel expense and making no money helping a mission feeding and clothing the poor. So it was quite a challenge to get internet access and deal with all this fiasco.
Anyways, back to the story, Karthik said he would support me on what ever decision I made.
I was about to give it away because I just don't care for this kind of stuff but something in me said don't let this guy have his way and hold firm as inventor. In the end we all agreed to refile the patent with Aaron's name on the inventors list. This was the best I could do then to just walk away and let Arvind and Aaron file for a new Patent.

Last time Karthik and I were contacted by Arvind, he wanted us to pay for our share of the new patent. We both replied we didn't have any funds, so I don't know and don't need to know what the status is.

You be the judge of who's name should be on the patent!
Aaron's argument was the circuit the Aquapulser Team used in the patent was closer to the circuit he shared then mine. This is true as my circuit was basic and as I mentioned my electronic skills was minimal and why I did my switching by hand on the first video and 2 weeks later I used a relay. However, both circuits are based on the same effect and I think this is what the Aquapulser team had originally considered prior to the patent.

One way or the other I can tell you that profit or recognition are of no interest to me. I have never profited one cent from anything I've shared or ask for recognition and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.
It's always been zero in and $1,000. out of my pocket to pay for supplies and equipment.
Also, look at any of my video's, none of them have advertising.
I have over 950,000 combined views and 2,500 subscribers. Would this suggest I'm in it to make profit?
So why don't I want profit?... because I believe profit, gain and control is what causes poverty and prevents inventions to come out that would be for the good of all.
So my thoughts and way of life is, if I don't believe in it, why should I participate in it!

For you profit oriented people. You may want to reflect on how those actions will help others. As taking more for yourself then others have is contrary to the flow of nature or the universe.
If that doesn't make you think then, tell me which person was able to bring something from this world when their end comes?
Better chances for those who have helped others will be seeding for the next then ones money piled in the bank.

Luc

PS, looks like Arvind has continued the business and I still wish him success.
Aquapulser web site: http://www.aquapulser.com/performance_ignition/ (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aquapulser.com%2Fperfor mance_ignition%2F)
Aquapulser Videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/ecoignition/videos (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Fe coignition%2Fvideos)

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Aaron
03-17-2018, 01:15 AM
“If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.” - attributed to Mark Twain

That has always been my motto and is why I remember things clearly because each piece of evidence jogs the memory of actual events, while someone lying will have a hard time keeping track of what they made up along the way such as the way Luc Choquette has operated.

Without going into too many details Luc? Details like the truth? lol - seems to be a pretty detailed response to me.

For everyone's information, the very thread that Luc started has this in the first post, "Now let me give you some background on this. For a couple of years now I was a member of a Yahoo Group called: WaterFuel1978. At this group user name: s1r9a9m9"

So Luc is the "inventor" yet all he was trying to do was REPLICATE s1r9a9m9's circuit, which was posted for years online - the circuit diagram is here:

http://emediapress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/relay.jpg

and

http://emediapress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/1978diagram.jpg

It basically just uses an heavy duty appliance relay to drop the output from a 110v inverter across a spark plug - when the plug sparks, the low voltage high current from the rectifier will jump the gap to cause the plasma effect.

Here is what Luc came up with:

http://emediapress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Gotoluc_Upd_Ganga_Shakti_-_Water_Fl_Circuit.jpg

When the relay is in one direction, the inverter will charge that cap to a 160vdc peak. When the relay goes the other way, it drops that cap to the primary giving a capacitive discharge spark, when that spark is made at the gap, the inverter's rectified DC output will jump the gap. This is not an innovation or enhancement to the S1R method other than having a capacitive discharge spark that is a little stronger but it is the same exact method of dropping an inverter's output across the gap. Luc and others fooled themselves into believing the plasma burst was from the inverter and I tried to tell them it had nothing to do with that.

It was because of John Bedini's Gray Motor diagrams he released after Peter Lindemann's book came out that clued me in. Everyone thought John drew the diode backward on the LV rod in the Gray Tube but he didn't - fortunately, at that time in 2004 or so, I didn't know how it was "supposed" to be so the way John had it was in fact the only way that ever made sense to me. It is 100% identical in principle to the plasma jet ignition circuits and is why I was able to create my simplified innovative way of doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-KOgU9n78

What you see is that dropping low voltage across a spark gap has been patented for many years.

Here are a few examples:

http://emediapress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/3788293.png

The above was patented about 40 years ago. What you see is capacitor 60 discharging into the primary 70 and 72 outputs the cdi discharge across gap 76. Then Capacitor 64 goes through diode 80 and over the gap once it is ionized. Capacitor 64 serves the EXACT same purpose as the rectified output from the inverter in S1R's diagram and serves the EXACT same purpose as the rectified output in Luc's "invention". I originally put Luc's name in the title of my replication effort only to give him some credit even though my circuit was obviously different and he admits that - you can see how he admitted to updating his diagram with MY modification proving it works with just the capacitor and the inverter output across the gap is NOT required. Hence, the glaringly obvious fact that it is my invention as admitted by him.

http://emediapress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/4308488.png

A Nissan patent in 1981 showing when 3 is switched on, battery charges primary then 2 output goes through distributor and to plug ionizing the gap. Then, capacitor 10 jumps over the gap - again capacitor 10 serves the EXACT same purpose as the inverter in S1R's setup, which serves the EXACT same purpose in Luc's REPLICATION attempt (not invention) of S1R's circuit.

As a note - S1R knew about these patents but used an inverter because the output is way more beefier than a cap charged to a couple hundred volts at a couple microfarads. I have no doubt that S1R ran an engine with it because that 110v at high amps jumping the spark plug gap will explode the water like you won't believe - plug life will be next to nothing, but it proves the point.

http://emediapress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/4369756.png

Above is another patent - these are all known as "Plasma Jet Ignition" fyi. "jet" comes from the shape of the plasma when used with a plasma jet ignition plug that has a recessed cavity - the intended way to use the plasma - will look like a jet flame. Anwyay, when spark from secondary 17 goes over the gap, then capacitor 23 jumps the gap and causes the plasma.

Search that and Smokey Yunick's name online and you'll see old articles where he was very involved with these old methods of this ignition. This is what ran Robert Krupa's plugs called the Firestorm plugs - without this kind of ignition system, those plugs do NOT make the plasma that Krupa claimed. Yunick worked with Krupa and this is where Krupa got the results - it wasn't his plug as he claims - his plug just had LONG life with the plasma and is probably one of the best plugs you can use with the plasma.

1. So what you see is that the input to the primary may be battery voltage or it may be a capacitive discharge to the primary.

2. Then what you see is that in all cases, there is a low voltage high current supply that follows over the gap once it is ionized by the regular or cdi high voltage spark.

This is EXACTLY what S1R did and what Luc REPLICATED (not invented).

3. But what nobody has ever done because actually many said it couldn't be done was that I used the SAME capacitor for the capacitive discharge input to the primary giving a cdi spark AND SIMULTANEOUSLY used the SAME capacitor to serve as the low voltage high current source that will jump the gap. They said it couldn't be done because they don't understand how it works. They claimed when the capacitor hits the primary that it completely discharged but I knew better. Hardly any gets to the primary to make the spark and when it is made the rest, which is most of it jumps the gap causing the plasma. The only truly significant innovation to plasma jet ignition systems in over 40 years - and I am the sole inventor of it. Luc didn't even understand how his own circuit worked as evidenced by his old posts.

And of course - Luc, applying what I taught him to get away from the inverter necessity mythology, to simplify it and make it better - for Luc to try to weasel out of this fact just reinforces what I have said about him:

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/lucadmits.jpg

And then Luc asks me to proof his circuit to make sure its good now. LOL - who is the inventor of it?

Aaron
03-17-2018, 03:02 AM
So now we address Luc's response from 2015, quite a few years after the whole ordeal with the patent - my, my, my how forgetful he has become and how naive he thinks everyone is to believe his words when I have posted documented historical evidence including his own words... I have a pretty good memory and I have ridiculously large archives so I can be my own wayback machine.

"On June 25 2008 while experimenting on plasma spark I happen to combine a high voltage of an ignition coil with a low voltage of a capacitor." - Luc is lying - you can clearly see he did not combine a CAPACITOR'S LOW VOTLAGE & IGNITION COILS' HIGH VOLTAGE over the same gap until I taught him how. Before then, he only used a capacitor as the input to the primary of an ignition coil completely isolating that capacitor from ever being able to jump the gap and the only thing that jumped the gap with the high voltage spark is the inverter's rectified output. He is directly making a claim that MY invention is what he started with - he is playing on people's ignorance that don't know better and that is how he starts off his explanations.

"It's important to know the date the information was first publicly shared and my intent." - this is the method of a sociopath to reinforce their own lies as having an important element as to build credibility to it but this will only work for those who do not have the background or frame of reference for all of these ignition methods like I do - I understand the distinctions and his first timeline on June 25 is not doing what he claims, he did something different, which is in the diagram I posted before of his circuit that has a capacitor that only connects to the primary of the ignition coil after charged and the only thing that jumps the gap like I said is the rectified inverter output. His willful and wanton deceit in establishing this timeline is for him to show that his alleged invention came before anything I did, but in the last post I made on the chronology and his own post stating he updated his circuit to reflect my innovations proves the point. We can stop here and the point is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, but I aim to dismantle and expose Luc's sociopathic, pathological lies.

"One week later on July 4th 2008, Arron of the Energetic Forum started a topic and titled it "Water Sparkplug." What he doesn't tell everyone is that the circuit I posted was different than what he previously posted - I already made that point and even backed it with Luc's own words! :whistle:

"On September 9th 2008: Arron posted a video with Peter Lindemann demonstrating the effect of the spark which was titled: "Peter Lindemann's Replication of Arron's circuit based on Luc's (gotoluc) method" - again, I called it Gotoluc's method even though the circuit was better because it was simply out of respect for his own contributions, which were different than mine and he didn't even understand how his circuit worked. He admitted that. Peter's replications was simply using an automated 555 circuit to charge a cap, disconnect it from a power source and then drop it to the primary of an ignition coil. Why was this so important? The very point was to disprove Luc and other people's claims that the inverter was necessary. That is why Luc admitted in his own words that the capacitor was the only thing necessary!!!


http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/lucadmits.jpg

"Notice some recognition towards me in the video and title. " - Like I said, it was a sign of respect. His experiments inspired me even though he didn't understand his own circuit and it was already established that Luc and others claimed the inverter was responsible for the plasma bursts - I told them it wasn't and knew how to prove it.

To disprove Luc and other's claims that the inverter was responsible for the plasma - as I said, they didn't understand how it worked so I proved it to them. The date of the video is NOT when I originally posted it, which was way before. YouTube yanked my entire original YouTube account. I knew someone with a friend that worked at YouTube and they looked into it and the reason stated was for spamming, which was completely bogus. They yanked everything! Anyway, this video is the genesis of my invention of using a cap simultaneously as the ignition coil primary power source AND the low voltage source that jumps the gap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnYstUyBqlQ

With all the plasma jet ignition systems, they had a separate cap charging circuit to charge a separate cap that would be in parallel with the gap through a hv diode. Why go through the trouble and expense of having to manufacture completely separate cap charging module when you can take any off the shelf cdi/msd, add the diodes and you got it! (It's not profitable so they have to create something that isn't necessary to sell.)

"I'm not the best in electronics, it's not really my field. " - phony attempt at being humble since the fire is lit under him but go to the 3 battery thread and you can see that he actually considers himself to be highly advanced in electronics and claims to know enough to debunk something when in fact he is a charlatan and clown and his greatest accomplishments are stolen IP from other people - hence this entire ordeal.

"They liked the high voltage diode blocked high current capacitor spark effect so much they decided to start a business and manufactured a ready made plug and play device so consumers could purchase. I was very happy they had done this as that would help to get it out faster and wished them the very best.
They told me they had been following the topic on each forum and from their research considered me to be the originator of the high voltage diode blocked high current capacitor spark effect." - this is nothing but a lie. Karthik even states that the method used by Aquapulser and Ecoignition was patented years ago and is public domain - just like the patent diagrams I showed in the last post. How could they consider Luc the inventor of this effect when Karthik defends their use of old lapsed public domain patents of the same effect? They didn't!

The distinction that Luc is not forthcoming with is that 1) they never considered him the inventor of the basic plasma effect with a capacitor discharging through a diode over a gap - that has been patented for many years already. 2) the TRUTH is that they asked him who invented the circuit that I INVENTED and taught to Luc and everyone else and he claimed he was the one that came up with it.

Ahem....


http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/lucadmits.jpg

Aaron
03-17-2018, 03:02 AM
"Once again I wished them success and didn't ask for any profit." - I have emails where Luc is fighting for more of a percentage than he deserved. He deserved ZERO since he had nothing to do with my innovation so you can see that even though it was on the table between all 4 of us that he wasn't the inventor, he wanted MORE and MORE and MORE. Simply, he is a liar and the entire facade that he has no interest in money or profit is a part of his front - that is what sociopath's do.

"Karthik contacted me and suggested we combine our ownership of the patent document to gain control of it and then together we could agree to dissolve it. I had to trust Karthik's plan and be sure he would follow through once the first step was done. Karthik followed through as he promised. He also took care of all the legal details and the original patent was dissolved." - Karthik followed through? This is amazing how Luc's spins the fact that they co-conspired to close Ecoignition illegally without Arvind's knowledge or consent. This is what sociopaths do - there is no other way to put it and for Luc to put this spin on what really happens shows the level to which he will stoop in order to save face.

"However, "for some reason", it coincided Aaron found out there was a patent filed and on the Energetic Forum he started to publicly accuse me of steeling his circuit and so on." - I already open sourced my work on it for the world to see. I wanted to write a book that would compile everything in one place that would be a simple A to Z walk through. If people wanted it for free, go ahead - look through the Water Sparkplug thread and anyone can do their own filtering. Otherwise, they can buy my book and get everything in one simple condensed version that will save people time and money. I wanted to give a dedication to Luc's contributions so I searched google for his name to make sure I spelled his last name right and the first thing that came up was a patent application with MY circuit and Luc's name on it!!! :suprise:

"I mostly ignored him as I knew my intent was good and was of no profit or benefit to me." - The way of the psychopath, justify, justify, justify one's own actions. He outright lies that he was the inventor of my circuit - yet he claims he has such a benevolent reason and what you notice is he always brings up how he isn't in it for the profit, etc. What I see is that those who scream the loudest about how honest they are, how unselfish they are, how they're not in it for the money, etc. are actually the biggest liars and cons around. ie - Kevin Spacy in his rants about sexual abuse when he all along he is the most prolific violator of them all! Luc is like this with his lies and phony "I want to save the world and don't want anything in return." etc. The truth is that anyone who is charitable in their heart will never tell anyone about it - they will simply do it and will not just be quiet about it, they will keep it secret.

"Then Aaron joined forces with Arvind and demanded a new patent be created and that there was no reason to have my name as inventor because it had nothing to do with my circuit." - I didn't join forces with Arvind. I equally jumped on Arvind, Karthik and Luc. It was Arvind who was the only level-headed person who could communicate reasonably in return. He informed me the patent had 3 inventions - MY circuit, the ionization detection circuit and the coil on plug adapter with built in diode. At that point, I examined the whole patent in detail and determined that Arvind and Karthik should be on the patent for their own inventions, I should be on it for my circuit because if it is going to get patented, I might as well be the rightful inventor on document and Luc should be kicked off since he had nothing to do with the three inventions.

"However, the patent attorney did not see it the way Aaron did as I'm sure he had done some research on the first patent (before putting it together) which is now dissolved. The patent attorney tried to reason with Aaron. However, after a few weeks and so many harassing emails from Aaron the patent attorney quit and said he would not ever get involved again unless there was a prior agreement reached." - this attorney was fully aware that he had liability because he did NOT do his due diligence. If he had, he would have read the #1 most trafficked thread on the subject, the Water Sparkplug thread, which documented the entire history of my circuit development. Again, you have Luc's post here showing that he later modified his circuit according to what I taught him. Luc is also lying about what the patent attorney did. He complied with my demands and so did everyone else - they signed the papers to put me on as an inventor. Luc remained on the patent because that was a totally separate issue that required more paperwork and more money, which we weren't prepared to spend at the time. AFTER all of this was done, THEN the attorney said he didn't want to be involved. What is the proof of this? Simple, my name is on the patent proving my original demands were complied with.

Like I said in the other thread, Luc finally asked to be removed from the patent. It is predictable he will lie and say that it is because it is too much trouble, he did what he could, he doesn't want to be involved in the negative energy, etc. and a bunch of other lies to make himself look like the victim, but there is more than one person that has the series of emails - here is my skype conversation with Arvind:

[10/2/2013 6:46:00 PM] Aaron Murakami: Arvind, what is the patent status?
[10/2/2013 6:46:12 PM] Arvind: its filed
[10/2/2013 6:46:16 PM] Arvind: got the confirmation
[10/2/2013 6:46:17 PM] Arvind: mail
[10/2/2013 6:46:32 PM] Arvind: status is issued
[10/2/2013 6:46:44 PM] Arvind: so congratulations :)
[10/2/2013 6:47:07 PM] Aaron Murakami: what is the patent #? Can you email me the documents from them?
[10/2/2013 6:47:20 PM] Arvind: will need to scan it, will do it tomorrow
[10/2/2013 6:47:57 PM] Aaron Murakami: ok cool - also we need to consider removing Luc, since that was his last request. That is an advantage to us all. Removing him from the assignment that is.

The advantage I mention is that with equal and undivided rights to the patent IP as equal owners, Karthik can have full ownership of his "invention", which may be the coil on plug, Arvind can have full rights to the ionization detection circuit and I can have full rights to my own circuit - if we agree to that in a contract. Until then, Karthik continued to use Luc as a pawn in his own game against Arvind and Luc was all the willing as a co-conspirator who illegally closed Ecoignition behind Arvind's back. So put these actions by Luc into the context of his entire online history of acting like he is only for humanity, doesn't want money, recognition, etc. when in fact, he is a recognition hound and his humanitarian efforts are always simply leveraged in order to gain favor by others.

NOTE: "since that was his last request." What request? Luc's request to be removed from the patent since it got to the point that it was pathetic for him to insist that he had any rights to it anymore. Luc was defeated the simple fact that I overwhelmed them all with so many facts, history and documentation that he looked like a fool to have ever claimed to be the inventor at all.

"I was overseas in South Africa for 6 months at my travel expense and making no money helping a mission feeding and clothing the poor. So it was quite a challenge to get internet access and deal with all this fiasco." - What kind of person uses their charitable work publicly as an excuse or to gain sympathy or as a reason for this or that? Someone who has no charity in their heart but only for the sake of vanity to show off to others - a quintessential hypocrite.

And RAMSET doesn't help Luc when posting about Luc or Luc's response - he shows that Luc has a long history of wearing his humanitarian efforts on his shoulder like a badge so loudly that everyone around him sees it like a disco ball in a dance club. RAMSET - your post has the opposite affect from what you intend.

Matthew 6:1-4 “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. "

Aaron
03-17-2018, 03:48 AM
"I was about to give it away because I just don't care for this kind of stuff but something in me said don't let this guy have his way and hold firm as inventor." - LOL - what a righteous man - I've established not with words but with evidence in Luc's own words (screenshot of his own post) admitting that he updated his circuit per my recommendation - then he concludes his post asking me to proof it to make sure he got it right! :rolleyes: LOL -again, who is the inventor of the patented circuit?

"You be the judge of who's name should be on the patent!" - One thing I will agree with Luc on, you be the judge based on the evidence of who came up with the circuit that Luc admits he updated to reflect what I taught him and he even asked me to proof it.

"Aaron's argument was the circuit the Aquapulser Team used in the patent was closer to the circuit he shared then mine. This is true as my circuit was basic and as I mentioned my electronic skills was minimal and why I did my switching by hand on the first video and 2 weeks later I used a relay. However, both circuits are based on the same effect and I think this is what the Aquapulser team had originally considered prior to the patent." - Luc you mean the same effect that has been patented for over 40 years??? :rofl: Mine gives the same effect and I have admitted that for the past 10 years - the difference is that mine does it with a single cap doubling as the input to the primary AND the LV source that jumps the gap that nobody in history has figured out until I showed it, which I did as a necessity to disprove the claims by you and others who said the inverter output was necessary.

"One way or the other I can tell you that profit or recognition are of no interest to me. I have never profited one cent from anything I've shared or ask for recognition and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong." - More lies - again, Luc kept demanding more royalty percentages. And he doesn't want recognition? He lies about who came up with the circuit and has the audacity to ask whose name should be on the patent! lol

"For you profit oriented people. You may want to reflect on how those actions will help others. As taking more for yourself then others have is contrary to the flow of nature or the universe. If that doesn't make you think then, tell me which person was able to bring something from this world when their end comes? Better chances for those who have helped others will be seeding for the next then ones money piled in the bank." - a very predictable summary of the hypocrite singing the blues with the "I'm so righteous" trip.

That is my response to Luc's pathological lies in his 2015 post in response to questions about his involvement with a patent. He did it to protect it? LOL, all while being fully aware that it was MY circuit and it should be up to me whether or not I want it public domain, patented, etc... it is my call and my call only and his actions on the matter have always been rooted in lies, deception and fraud. Luc is a liar, I have proven that with this thread and these posts showing the chronology and Luc's own post asking if he got my circuit right, etc. Anyone's further attempts to justify Luc's actions or make excuses for him will simply reveal themselves to be in resonance with psychopathic ways of being and no amount of lies will ever cover up the CLEAR, documented, historical and chronological proof that Luc is a liar and took credit for my circuit, period, end of story.

RAMSET
03-23-2018, 08:14 PM
Trust was never a part of this

checks and balances were installed so as to insure no need of trust.

Quote from above

a 100% transparent live streamed demonstration of the tech [after all is prepared by the inventors to their satisfaction]

this is and was the goal and offer presented to David ,whom I absolutely believe [along with Matt and Carroll]
end quote
Edit to add, this never got to the actual live stream 100 % transparent demmo due to an unfortunate health issue on my part.

no need to go over this again and again

I asked if you would call your old friend Mike Nunnerley and ask his opinion ?

did you ?

tomorrow then.....

Sincerely
Chet K
edit to add
still looking for Ash's number

Aaron
03-23-2018, 08:42 PM
Ramset - someone who constantly makes excuses for and tries to influence people's opinion about Luc and other trouble makers. My response to him in the 3 battery thread:

@Ramset
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAMSET http://www.energeticforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system-post309082.html#post309082)
there are fellows all across the globe who Volunteer in open source forums to help wherever and whenever they can.

We know what kind of clowns you associate with - Luc, TK and the rest of those time wasters. They're not available to "help" - all they have done is the best they can to spread disinformation, disrupt, etc. They are not to be trusted and neither are you.



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His response to that will be moved here so it will not disrupt that thread. His response shows up here as coming before this post because I moved it here after. So this post goes first then his response that is posted before this post actually comes second.

Aaron
03-23-2018, 08:50 PM
Trust was never a part of this

checks and balances were installed so as to insure no need of trust.

Quote from above

a 100% transparent live streamed demonstration of the tech [after all is prepared by the inventors to their satisfaction]

this is and was the goal and offer presented to David ,whom I absolutely believe [along with Matt and Carroll]
end quote
no need to go over this again and again

I asked if you would call your old friend Mike Nunnerley and ask his opinion ?

did you ?

tomorrow then.....

Sincerely
Chet K

The problem with what you say is that it comes from defective thinking. No amount of people's opinions can ever carry the kind of weight that Luc's own words have, which I have documented throughout emails and his posts in this forum and elsewhere.

You seem to think that continuing to point to what others have to say will somehow negate or overshadow Luc's own documented words demanding certain percentages of the patent rights for my circuit, his own admissions that he updated his circuit to match my invention as well as asking me to double check his circuit to ensure that he got it right!

Then, years after that in 2015 as you posted that he is stating that he believes his name should be listed as inventor! He doesn't have a very good memory of what he has already said and admitted to years before, but I never forget and I document everything.

I like and trust Mike, but he does not have the experience of being conned by Luc like so many others have such as myself, Arvind, and Karthik (who is a trouble maker himself, but he was lied to by Luc as well).

Luc is a greedy con who kept asking for more and more royalty percentages - and he openly admitted to modifying his circuit according to my recommendations clearly showing that I am the inventor of the circuit that he lied to Arvind and Karthik about. There is no debate about it as there is no question that these are FACTS and not people's opinions about Luc.

All the FACTS (not opinions that you rely on - you probably consider opinions to be alternative facts) are posted clearly right here in this thread for all to see.

You can wiggle and squirm in your circular motion all you want on Luc's behalf but nothing will ever make the FACTS that I have presented and documented not true.

RAMSET
03-23-2018, 11:18 PM
here is just one time [were others] I asked for Milehigh to be moderated at the OU.com forum
he was Doxing someone I held in high regard and i asked Stefan to put Mark M [Spokane1] in as moderator at the topic [which did happen]
Stefan has known Graham G for many years [considered him a friend] .


Email to Stefan owner OU.com

Stefan
We have the opportunity to host a serious investigation of Graham's recent work
however Mile high has been attacking and calling out companies not even associated with this claim and placing Graham
in a very bad FRAUD light
such contributions are detrimental to hosting Graham at your site .
we have an associate of Grahams who is close to him and willing to moderate the thread and clean out the nonsense and legaly risky posts
his handle is member Spokane 1 and his Name is Mark MXXXX

end snip
Spokane1 was installed as moderator and
MileHigh was removed .....and wishes me dead to this day ...

there are literally Tonnes of posts and info to "unqualify" your intimations that I am associated in anyway with persons looking to cause issues here or elsewhere
quite the contrary actually







gotta go

sincerely
Chet K

Aaron
03-24-2018, 03:27 AM
there are literally Tonnes of posts and info to "unqualify" your intimations that I am associated in anyway with persons looking to cause issues here or elsewhere quite the contrary actually

Wrong, that does not undo the fact that you DID align yourself with that clown and company. Over the years, you have made excuses and backed them all. Those posts are still in this forum and goes back years.

Your claim that you know "specialists" who are qualified remains a farce as is your defense of Luc and the rest. Your methods have not changed over the years. Everyone can believe what they want but when you defend Luc based on what opinions others have instead of simply looking at his documented fraud and lies, that speaks volumes about you, your character and your lack of integrity. You are who you hang around and you are in bad company.

RAMSET
03-24-2018, 08:49 AM
Edit
I see Brother Mikey removed his Vulgar posts.....above

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The elephant in the room [not directed at Brother Mikey, nothing I write here is addressed to him .

I could fill these pages with Conflict between myself and Milehigh, I don't do that anymore [too many years ...wasted years]
I have always had access to engineers and resources ,I never needed to be involved with Mile high and NEVER worked with him to disrupt or whatever you are attempting to imply

yet you claim ... with no evidence ??????

I site examples and you site None...[Milehigh collusion here or elsewhere ]
Not one?? surely you could do that ?

if that is how you do this ??

Its your house and your rules.....[just another elephant in the room

RE Experts ??
I spent my life working with Engineers ,test labs and R+D Labs ,I free lanced IN NYC Washington and Boston for decades
I was called when there were Problems ...for solutions .... out of the box solutions

Just one example below

My phone rang the first time the world trade center was bombed in 93 [I was a fairly young man ATT].
I was asked to come down to the site By the head engineer [responsible for the building and all NYC infrastructure bridges and Tunnels ]
I had been showing the Port Authority, Bell Laboratories Oxygen/magnesium lance at NYC's Laguardia airport to repair the main expansion joint on the runway between the land and the pier ,
the runway pier was moving too much where the terafirma met the pier and the Big 747's were hammering That expansion joint to pieces ,it was right where the planes touched down and a Blown out steel expansion joint could have been catastrophic, they were quite concerned to say the least ,and time was of the essence .

I used Bell Laboratory's Magnesium Lance to do a precision Burn down thru 14 inches of concrete and steel in seconds ,it was absolutely amazing to see [probably where My present Eye troubles started ...electricity Oxy and magnesium arcing up to 18,000 F temps]

Shortly thereafter the world trade center was Bombed the first time in 93 the chief engineer for the Port Authority hoped I could cut out the Mess with the Lance without shaking the Building and causing a collapse
they were terrified .....the Bell labs lance can Plunge cut thru 20 feet of solid concrete and steel like a butter knife.
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Having access to the best possible experts for the open source community [To test ??]
Top shelf Labs run by world renowned physicists and engineers with state of the art equipment ??
sorry if that upsets you.

I spent my Life with Test Labs, R+D labs and experts at the top of the food chain ...
and worked with many amazing people [still do]

Doors just open....

Nowadays I make things for handicapped Children and their families to make their lives easier [among other things for income ]
and all I can do for the open source community looking to change our world.
you would truly be stupefied By the resources and people available to the Open source community

People Glad to help, anyway they can ,not for business profit or personal gain.

it ceases to amaze me

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Do as you will here

I have a great affection for many who post here

and offer no opinions on you ,just observations .

as they say in the Big house "you do you"

I definitely have other things I should be doing....

respectfully
Chet K
PS
and before you remove this post to another topic
you should ask David for his opinion about me .. it is his thread , I have a great affection for him and what he has tried to do.
always have and always will.
pps
I see wantomakes post below

I will not post here anymore .unless it is on topic or information about me, denigrating me and my intentions here and elsewhere
are posted with no evidence to support the accusation

I would not expect anyone here would want anything less for themselves .

Aaron
03-24-2018, 09:46 PM
yet you claim ... with no evidence ??????

TK, Milehigh and Poynt99 cannot be separated from each other because they are the three stooges. The three stooges that you worked with in synchrony with years ago in the Ainslie threads. As soon as TK was booted for his mouth, you came immediately to the rescue and made sure that you put his posts there on his behalf. This was before the Milehigh and Poynt99 stooges were booted.

And, the posts that you posted were always nitpicked by you and they were also full of disinformation:

http://www.energeticforum.com/61924-post1065.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/61930-post1067.html

TK admits he couldn't even get his mosfet to oscillate and claims the oscillations have nothing to do with what is on my scope and other stupidity. That is the nonsense that you kept posting over and over and over. Those are posts of TK and not Milehigh but everyone knows TK, Poynt99 and Milehigh work together as a team to spread disinformation and you are helping them. In other words, you have been the greatest supporter of those clown's disinformation of anyone who has ever posted in this forum. :thinking: As I said, you are untrustworthy.

citfta
03-25-2018, 01:11 AM
I will say one thing on Chet's behalf. At least he doesn't keep promoting book after book and video after video that promises to give the final secret of overunity but never deliver that secret.

Aaron
03-25-2018, 03:04 AM
I will say one thing on Chet's behalf. At least he doesn't keep promoting book after book and video after video that promises to give the final secret of overunity but never deliver that secret.

We've released more books and videos on real overunity technologies than any other publisher combined. If you're not able to apply the information, it's on you. And we have never claimed any final secret to overunity because there isn't one - there are simply very well established parameters that must be followed in order to achieve it. And, you have access to the forum for FREE and you are not required to purchase anything that actually pays the bills for the dedicated server or anything else so if you're that ungrateful, leave.

By the way, give up your income and ask for donations and let's see how long it takes until you're begging for money on the street.

BroMikey
03-25-2018, 03:10 AM
Exactly correct. here is what comes to me over the years as I watched
these named, it is like family, family can do no wrong, family can lie, cheat
steal and be wrong doing wrong against others and these names will
never point out the obvious.

Untrustworthy is right. Your book info is excellent, like John Bedini's
stuff I learn a lot and hope what little bit of green stamps are accrued
keep your computers running plus pay the big bills.

The Regenx has been proven a success by me. My Matt Mod mtr
without anything connected runs 1.3amps and with a huge over grown
10" rotor using 20 magnets then pulls 2 amps at up to 15v at the time.

Each time I tune a Regenx/Turion coil to run on it, meaning get the right
number of series connected strands long enough, I relieve the burden
back to nearly the original 1.3a using 1 coil. Tesla stated that these
parallel wound series connected coils would exhibit a specific characteristic.

Coils that generate power as if these were not there or in the field.

Thane is just a regular guy- has made it work. His feelings or ego have
been damaged in the past so he no longer answers very many people.

Thane does not tell all of the truth about how it works so the other
guys are drawn to him because these don't want to humble themselves
and admit they know very little, ego again. They pet each other in a fony
plastic format.

I think (as mentioned by Turion for years) if people do not do the tests
they should reserve their judgement. We could go on about the character
of the stooges and company and will in an effort to warn the new ones
who might get led down the wrong road.

One more thing, Thane goes along to get alone, smooth talking like
so many others, however I don't think what we are told about
certain phone calls are completely correct. It is called putting a SLANT
on the truth about how others really feel to align them with how they
feel.

Totally untrustworthy/dishonest, yes. Disgusting. People are willing
to exchange truth for a lie because of this family way of dealing with
right and wrong. Family can do no wrong. So what family is it?

RAMSET
03-25-2018, 09:47 AM
and now the Elephant in the room

But first a quick note

and my reason for asking you to show ONE example of me working in anyway with Mile high to subvert or anything negative here or anywhere

Your words not mine ...
until you could not find any examples others you mentioned [TinselKoala and Poynt]
Do believe in this path [FE] ,and actually did want to understand the Rosemary A claim one thousand seven hundred percent
more heat out than in ???

and yes I did ask for help understanding the claim

its a process I go thru to keep from bothering much bigger "assets" with Nonsense.
not a slight against TinselKoala or Poynt or anyone
but there are people available to the open source community with HUGE resources to help us


after all
some of these claims go back .....
a long time
and these assets have seen them all...... of collective man hours spent by those who chased the one thousand seven hundred percent more heat out than in??

nobody I know saw this ??
plenty found errors with "her" and "her" methods of measurement.

Time...and cost

I do need to amend one comment here
A friend has been asking me to take another look here "RA COP 1700" will be calling him after I write this .

so yes Aaron it matters [what you write and accusations]
Mile high is the ONLY one I know in these forums who laughs at us all the time
and gleefully records the failures and can't wait for the next one.

to say I raise a fist at him ??
an understatement .

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and Now the elephant in the room

"I make my living selling secrets that would save the planet"

{{secrets that will save countless lives ....countless suffering...
in all the years since the first secret was sold ?? maybe a Billion lives have passed thru starvation famine,drought and war....

3 billion?

or is that the figure for people who can't get a clean drink of water on the planet ...or plug into any electricity or............}}
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I digress

Aaron
Quote [summary for focus]
I make my living here selling secrets that can save billions of lives
and have been for[a decade??

[You want me to starve ??]......

IF YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW ??



"thats on you"
end quote

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the elephant in the room

at what cost..........??

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to add
I know no such secrets....
I could write soo much more

a summary
During the time of the RA claims,I went thru a life changing period of time
I came out the other side practicing something I call Brutal honesty.

its how I live now

and I see other men who do the same,it sucks and its not easy [sorry to be ..]
but its where we need to go,if we want our future.

RUN TOO SCRUTINY

[B]SELLING SECRETS ??
EVERY SECOND COUNTS

lives really do depend on it

every second of every day.

NOT JUST ONE MANS opinion.

and yes there are people who would try to stop us

I stopped caring about "them" and the consequences ...the day I started practicing [or trying to]
Brutal honesty

and a note to "trustworthy"

I am sooooo glad my children's lives did not get hurt by your silence and your secrets.

But brother
I cringe to think of those who died and still are.....

If this ever gets out that you held and sold secrets that could save lives??
because you wanted to run a forum selling secrets??
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I can write about these things but it doesn't help me ...
because I know "you" could be me

and I cannot judge ,,,its something I learned during my "change"

I can just share what I observe

and try to Love and not hate ...
I have learned that to hate is like taking a poison and expecting the other guy to get sick.
very true
and I hardly ever even write the word and certainly don't hate anyone
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I'm going to call that friend about RA COP 1700% ...
no stone left unturned..

All lives matter ,one of them might save us??
EDIT
I post this here because you slandered/Libeled me here as "untrustworthy"

this probably needs a separate topic here and elsewhere.
there probably are lots of new young minds with ideas of their own on how things should look in THEIR world
and it "seems" there is confusion around the words "Secrets"to over unity

it seems as if there are many paths to this??
but
its a secret

HUH ??
the elephant in the room

I certainly hope soooo

citfta
03-25-2018, 01:11 PM
We've released more books and videos on real overunity technologies than any other publisher combined. If you're not able to apply the information, it's on you. And we have never claimed any final secret to overunity because there isn't one - there are simply very well established parameters that must be followed in order to achieve it. And, you have access to the forum for FREE and you are not required to purchase anything that actually pays the bills for the dedicated server or anything else so if you're that ungrateful, leave.

By the way, give up your income and ask for donations and let's see how long it takes until you're begging for money on the street.


There is really only one reason I still come to this forum. There are sometimes people that come to this forum that have actual interest in learning about OU and in particular electronics. So I still from time to time have an opportunity to answer technical questions for them. I enjoy helping others learn about electronics. As far as I know the only two people left on this forum that actually have working experience in electronics are bistander and myself. Even UFO who used to consider me a know nothing has come to recognize that bistander and myself do have something to offer.

As far as you constantly trying to lump Chet in with others, you are way off base. Chet will work with anyone that he thinks may have something to offer. That does NOT mean he approves of all they do. If you want to use that kind of logic you need to be careful. I was at the first energy conference. I saw you clearly introduce Rick Frederick and give him high praise before he rode his electric lawn mower into the conference room. So are we to assume that you approve of his later actions and you are in league with him in his actions?

Respectfully,
Carroll

RAMSET
03-25-2018, 01:27 PM
As I wrote already

I have no secrets that could save lives.

I can put my head on the pillow at night ,

But plenty other things bother me these days .

and BTW
No body takes over anything ....the eyes of the world and the scrutiny are always there for all to see [plus many builders over there]
plus a mirror unmoderated topic is running

Checks and balances

but plenty know how to sabotage open source topics with a few words...

boguslaw
03-25-2018, 03:27 PM
Overunity is solved long time ago but greed and selfishness still beat everyone trying to make something good.

I only want to let you know that I'm happy you are still here friends and still do not loose hope and still building and helping each other. The world need YOU , your help, your knowledge and your good mood.

THANK YOU. :heartthrob:

Aaron
03-26-2018, 12:20 AM
and now the Elephant in the room

There is no elephant and your claims separating TK & Poynt99 from Milehigh is laughable. Your phony elephant distraction is to take the focus off the original fact that you are supporting Luc, a known liar. With Mile high, you even post TKs posts quoting Mile High - that supports both mile high and tk. All these people are on the route of trying to debunk something before they even know what it is hence the claims that automatically there can't be recovery since it is a resistor. LOL That isn't skepticism, they're skepticlowns - that is who you promote. Don't try to misdirect the attention to anything else. The point of my original post in this thread is how you quickly come to Luc's rescue by posting his response about the plasma ignition, which is filled with blatant lies. So do you support liars? Yes, and it is indisputable. No matter how you try to weasel out of it, the facts will never change.

COP of 17? Thanks for bolding it multiple times - makes it much easier to see. :thumbsup: Has ZERO to do with the conversation, the only thing relevant is WHO you associate with.

I've gone public years ago that those 17 COP claims are bogus (or I should at least say that I've never seen anything that comes remotely close to that) and the only thing I found at the most was COP 2.0 - i got 2 times the joules out of the battery compared to the manufacturer's rating before the batteries came down to 12.00 volts where it was before it was charged up to the top. I was more interested in the fact that I also was able to get the resistor to drop 5C below ambient, which is a form of cold electricity when you can get the current to flow in the same direction as the voltage.

I don't know what is more interesting - that you are trying to change the subject that it is a fact that you continue to strongly support known cons, trouble makers and liars or the fact that you are the cleanup man for a FBI assisted bombing of the WTC in 1993.

https://youtu.be/_2vpcABWJiY?t=3m46s

Aaron
03-26-2018, 12:49 AM
There is really only one reason I still come to this forum. There are sometimes people that come to this forum that have actual interest in learning about OU and in particular electronics. So I still from time to time have an opportunity to answer technical questions for them. I enjoy helping others learn about electronics. As far as I know the only two people left on this forum that actually have working experience in electronics are bistander and myself. Even UFO who used to consider me a know nothing has come to recognize that bistander and myself do have something to offer.

As far as you constantly trying to lump Chet in with others, you are way off base. Chet will work with anyone that he thinks may have something to offer. That does NOT mean he approves of all they do. If you want to use that kind of logic you need to be careful. I was at the first energy conference. I saw you clearly introduce Rick Frederick and give him high praise before he rode his electric lawn mower into the conference room. So are we to assume that you approve of his later actions and you are in league with him in his actions?

Respectfully,
Carroll

Carroll,

I've supported your presence on this forum from the beginning and appreciate your assistance to others. But I pay the bills to enable you to help others here so I don't think you have any room to judge me for selling books and videos. Your post was also making a false claim because I don't push the "final secret" of free energy and never have.

Is there any video or pictures of me in front of the room at either of the two conferences organized by Rick? I never had the microphone at either of the first two conferences put on by Rick Friedrich and I never introduced him - if I did it is news to me and I have zero recollection of it. I don't believe I would have given him high praise because I didn't like him. I'll give him credit where credit is due, but for the most part, I didn't like him.

Rick wanted any involvement by Peter and I to be at a minimum because he didn't want anyone else stealing his thunder. What I mean by that is that it was the promotions that Peter and I put out on the lists that filled most of the seats - John was thankful for this but Rick, never a single word of gratitude. We didn't want to even do that much because Rick didn't deserve it but we decided it was worth doing to support John - we knew John's business needed it.

Peter's Battery Secrets presentation done by Peter was only done because Rick was incompetent in managing the conference and was in desperate need of a presentation to fill up some valuable time so he begged Peter. Peter literally put that talk together that night and presented it the next day. Peter's Lockridge device talk was also to support John since it was John who pretty much put that device into the public conversation.

Ask anyone else who was at that conference how many times I was in front of the room on the mic. The answer is zero. You must have me mistaken for Tom Childs possibly or someone else.

As far as Chet - I post the indisputable proof that Luc was fully aware I was the inventor of the circuit - one of many examples - Luc even asks me to check it to make sure he got it right:

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_energy/plasmaignition/lucadmits.jpg

Chet posts Luc's response from 2015, with Luc posting blatant lies about what actually happened in the chronology of the development of my circuit. I point it out and instead of acknowledging that it is obvious that Luc is indeed lying, he goes on about what others thing about Luc, which is irrelevant. So if you want to use logic, Chet doesn't have the integrity to admit this and goes on with his misdirection attempts. So yes, Chet is being lumped together with those other clowns for good reason - he is pulling the same nonsense.

BroMikey
03-26-2018, 01:59 AM
This is why you have helpers who can do things to aid a project
but should not be considered a leader. And remember the leader
has a dirty job, always getting his rear kicked over his head by the
underclassmen. The little big man syndrome.

It's okay we understand. Thanks for your super human ability to
cope, Aaron. Out in the hay fields we put these rebels catching bails
as they are spit out of the machine.:D

Nice thread, segregation just took on a whole new meaning.:rofl:

Aaron
03-26-2018, 06:12 AM
the others you mentioned [TinselKoala and Poynt]
Do believe in this path [FE] ,and actually did want to understand the Rosemary A claim one thousand seven hundred percent
more heat out than in ???

and yes I did ask for help understanding the claim

its a process I go thru to keep from bothering much bigger "assets" with Nonsense.
not a slight against TinselKoala or Poynt or anyone
but there are people available to the open source community with HUGE resources to help us

You have been deceived by TK and Poynt99 into thinking they actually do believe in any of this or that they wanted to understand Ainslie's claims. Their goal from the beginning was to debunk it - not to understand it. Their first goal was to launch their little campaign to discredit me, which didn't work, by claiming that my mosfet was actually not oscillating, which is beyond laughable. Then the claims that any recovery is impossible because the inductive resistor is a resistor that must burn up everything so there can't be any recovery? Those are not just lies because , it is also completely laughable. with their background, they're not stupid enough to actually believe that nonsense. The only way someone with their backgrounds would actually make such ridiculous statements that are obviously false is just like what has been stated - they are only interested in spreading disinformation about technologies that may actually show overunity.

With your background, you're too informed to buy that garbage yet you defend them. Why is that? And why is it that any of those liars are removed from here, it is YOU that conveniently comes to their assistance by copying their posts from OU into this forum despite the fact that their statements are blatant lies? Why is that? :thinking: You don't do that to others that are banned from here - just the "experts" who are all working in collaboration with each other who are liars who have been proven to be knowingly spreading misinformation.

This post by Ainslie is correct - at the time: "it seems that Mark Dansie has joined the battle against Ainslie (she is speaking of herself) and has stepped in to assist our Little TK as he falls against the ropes. No surprise as they share the same employer. And the same agenda. And that agenda has nothing to do with the promotion of scientific discovery. Far from it. Mark unashamedly denies free energy claims across the board. This includes Rossi’s data that has been independently verified by acknowledged experts in the art. And that refusal alone is more than enough to destroy his public credibility. And – from a more personal perspective – his credibility for me was UTTERLY voided when he REFUSED to publish the fact that we’d withdrawn our RETRACTION of the claims in Paper 1 & 2"

That was may be 4 years ago in Dansie's forum - he is another time wasting troublemaker who is part of the TK, Milehigh, Poynt99 crew - the difference is that he did not participate here like they did. These clowns have one agenda - to discredit anything that comes close to looking like legitimate free energy. Anyone that believes they are sincere in wanting to help out or to learn the truth is completely dedicated to self deception.

Don't twist my quote of Rosemary into being an agreement with her original COP 17 claims. I distanced myself from here because she was acting crazy, sending me messages telling me how unacceptable that it was for me to delete all the threads related to her, etc. when they're all still here perfectly preserved, etc. I got tired of it and refused to communicate with her anymore.

She spent a lot of time personally communicating with Milehigh, Poynt99, etc. learned all their real names, where they worked, etc. and she assembled a really good picture of who they really were. Who they are is alluded to in the post above. Early on, I was in communication with her about her communications with them - she had the patience to deal with them, I did not but I got an ear full and also verified quite a bit of it - that was a long time ago.

There is no question that their only true aim is to spread disinformation about these technologies and to construct their weak little character assassination campaigns.