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synchro
11-09-2010, 07:11 PM
Split each bifilar coil in half and connect the ends together to form 4 seperate self looped coils. Connect the 4 paired leads to a Bedini type circuit with Jonnydavro's skimper coil, and produce a coil that spins a powerful enough magnet for free and generates copious free power as well.

DrStiffler
11-09-2010, 07:15 PM
Split each bifilar coil in half and connect the ends together to form 4 seperate coils. Connect the 4 paired leads to a Bedini type circuit with Jonnydavro's skimper coil, and produce a coil that spins a powerful enough magnet for free and generates copious free power as well.

@synchro

Sir, might I ask? Is this a suggestion or a fact? I have a vested interest in anything mechanical showing a worthwhile energy out over energy in. Indeed I have a substantial monetary bet with an associate that it can not be done via mechanical means.

citfta
11-09-2010, 07:15 PM
Hi Synchro,

Can you give us a drawing or explain how you connect the 4 leads to the Bedini circuit? I am not familiar with Jonnydavros skimper coil. Thanks for any help you can give.

Carroll

synchro
11-09-2010, 07:30 PM
@citfa

The coil leads need to be labled. Firstly, the wires are divided between inner and outer. After that it's of no real importance how you number the leads. You get L1 outer located and labled and so forth. Two wires from the Bedini go to one pair of leads on one side and the other two wires from the Bedini go to the pair next to them as the wireslay. The power lead is on one far end, and the transister base next to it, from one side to the other. That leaves the two on the other side. These you locate by trial and error. Hook them up one way, and touch the hot lead for spark. No spark AOK for launch, or switch them around.

4 single conductor intercom wire has red green white and black wires side by side. Green and white are to the outside. A spiral pancake coil would have two ends of four colored wires, one from the inside and one from the outside. Connecting like colors from the inside to the outside leave the green and red pair still on the same side. These pairs are the equivalent of the L1 coil. That leaves the remaining colors of black and white to the other side to act as the ends of L2. It dosen't matter which side of the coil you choose to select as north or south.

I'll try and get a diagram posted.

synchro
11-09-2010, 07:48 PM
@Dr. Stiffler,

I have a primative system, but it works and I believe my instrument readings are reliable. Two magnets of equal strength have a repulsion force. Double the strength of one and the repulsion force doubles in the other with no expenditure of input power. This I present as a simple proof that overunity is possible.

Here's the curious part; If the bifilar series wrap can double magnetic strength by doubling voltage, won't two quadrupale it and quadrupale the repulsion force in the spinning magnet rotor, just by transforming power to hi voltage potential in the resonating coils? This compounding of force does not involve increase of input power.

Double the wire double the strength. Double the bifilar and quadruple the strength! This easy experiment demonstrates the "Extra Power" in the Tesla wrap:

Bifilar Electromagnet (http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm)

I'm delivering four times the magnetic force with a spiral bifilar coil twice the size with no increase in input cost. A resonating hi voltage transformer!

blackchisel97
11-09-2010, 08:37 PM
Split each bifilar coil in half and connect the ends together to form 4 seperate self looped coils. Connect the 4 paired leads to a Bedini type circuit with Jonnydavro's skimper coil, and produce a coil that spins a powerful enough magnet for free and generates copious free power as well.

I can't find any reference to Jonnydavro's skimper coil. What I understood is to make a kind of looped coils with center tap? Or I misunderstood?

Thanks:cheers:
Vtech

synchro
11-09-2010, 09:24 PM
@blackchisel97,

No center tap. Take another look at my response to cifta above that I added to. It's about the four color wires attached in to one another in self looping fashion.

I am a fan of yours, and have really enjoyed all your videos. Thanks. I noticed your spiral LED tester in your latest video.

The 12 volt relay skimper coil:

Coils L1 & L2 cut in half and seperated ends re-attached to their beginnings in this schematic would produce the 4 coil resonating "Harmonoquad" circuit I'm describing. Naturally this applys to a toroid wrap where the form implements the function.

blackchisel97
11-09-2010, 11:18 PM
@blackchisel97,

No center tap. Take another look at my response to cifta above that I added to. It's about the four color wires attached in to one another in self looping fashion.

I am a fan of yours, and have really enjoyed all your videos. Thanks. I noticed your spiral LED tester in your latest video.

The 12 volt relay skimper coil:

Coils L1 & L2 cut in half and separated ends re-attached to their beginnings in this schematic would produce the 4 coil resonating "Harmonoquad" circuit I'm describing. Naturally this applies to a toroid wrap where the form implements the function.

@synchro
I'm sorry, being kind of slow today, is that what you mean?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c285/Blackchisel/Jonnydavro1.jpg

I'm familiar with this circuit. Actually I built small swing with little doll sitting on a magnet and swinging back and forth. I was going to add small solar panel on the swing canopy later. It was very relaxing device and had it running for months. However, coils weren't split and it was just regular spool bifilar wind. I still have a coil but wires are thinner, 26 and 28 not 24:wall:
Also, if I understood correct this is wound on toroid not iron core spool. Am I correct? Do you have any specifics on the toroid type and size?

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoy my vids. I stopped making them since both my cameras suddenly died from exposure to some fields around:rofl: Now I had to borrow one from my son.

BTW, when I click on this link - Bifilar Electromagnet - I'm getting this message -Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /bifilar_electromagnet.htm on this server.
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

:cheers:
Vtech

synchro
11-09-2010, 11:31 PM
@blackchisel97,

Imagine a length of wire. The wire has two ends. If we attach one end to the other, we form a loop. Form four loops in your schematic. It should look like four spiral doughnuts. The coils do not connect to one another. This coil runs wirelessly through induction.

Also, you might want to try a different internet server. The experimenet involves picking up twice the nails with a a series wound bifilar electro magnet as one wound with a single wrap. Same iron nail cores, same lengths of same gauge copper wire, and same voltage from the same battery source.

citfta
11-10-2010, 12:13 AM
OK I think I understand now. It sure looks like it wouldn't work just as Synchro said. Yet it kinda makes sense if there is strong coupling between the coils. So if I understand right this should be how it's wired.

Carroll

synchro
11-10-2010, 01:03 AM
@cifta,

Thanks, that just saved me a trip to town. Thats the ticket! I have a quadfilar aircore pancake spiral running a joule thief on one bifilar and charging a battery off the other wired in series through a bridge rectifier.

synchro
11-10-2010, 01:26 AM
That produces at least two LL resonant tank circuits inside the power coil, or perhaps four, or maybe even more?

synchro
11-13-2010, 06:47 PM
I tested the four color Quad Spiral pancake. Got nothing wired end to end for short as I described. This was a mistake. Got the magnet to spin on half the colored wire quad, and the large Quadfilar Spiral Knot works well too. I am rechecking the Spiral Knot to get the connections right. The Spiral Knot wires gave me some false readings. I'll get right back with the correct ones, sorry! It Looks like blackchisel97's schematic above has to be the correct one after all. Two groups of two wires one inner and one outer in each group. Opposite ends attached. That leaves four leads. I'm rewiring the colored pancake right now.

I can't get the Quadfilar spiral pancake to work no matter what I do. I am certain I have it wired identically to the Spiral Knot which is working extremely
well. The other puzzeling part is that the spiral pancake woks well as a bifilar power coil. It just locks up with a field when I wire in the second bifilar. Probably due to the strick contrasting positions of the bqck to back coils.

As for the wiring, one pair from each end of the coil, inside and outside. They pair off as opposites on either side. These connect one to the other so as to
create two pairs, each pair with coupled inductance. Why this failed to work with the Spiral Pancake is a mystery. Not as easy as I had hoped. The trusty Quadfilar Spiral Knot is back working fine, not causeing any problems.

My video camera is back home from the repair shop, so I will do a video soon and try to capture the self charging effect I witnessed.

blackchisel97
11-13-2010, 08:33 PM
I didn't ignore your post just couldn't understand how this suppose to work as 4 loops. You got me puzzled - which isn't difficult:rofl:
I was working on litz 6 filar #18 today, got upset because there is no room for the last layer on the spool. My math wasn't accurate enough.:wall:

Looking forward to see new results.:thumbsup:

:cheers:
Vtech

synchro
11-18-2010, 12:51 AM
Here's the Harmoniquad in action:

YouTube - zebok3's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/zebok3)

synchro
11-20-2010, 07:06 PM
Here's a video of a unique approach. Intercom wire pancake has one wire over the other, this type of twin bifilar failed to spin a rotor wired in series unlike the spiral twin bifilar. This speaker wire folds and twists. so the wires lay opposed side by side. This pancake Quad may spin a rotor wired in series like the Spiral and single bifilar pancake unlike the intercom wire failure.

YouTube - hydro4f3a 012 - pancake coil with speaker wire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31B7HTdhat4)

synchro
11-22-2010, 07:24 PM
The big center coil in John Bedini's new self running Ferris Wheel motor generator is 200 pounds and 4000 turns of wire. "4 wires are arranged as a magnetic amplifier through the use of impedance between the coils".

Can anyone help explain exactly how this Quadfilar amplifies magnetisem through impedance?

@DrStiffler,

How do you explain the continuous motion of John Bedini's Ferris Wheel with no input current?

Bedini's useing the polarity reversal from timed decay in barrium ferrite magnet remnance to substitue for costly current consuming circuitry!

synchro
12-22-2010, 09:06 PM
I noticed while pulsing the twin bifilar spiral, that the secondary wired in series for high voltage, generates 24.5 volts a.c. from the 11.85 volts of d.c. input. The coil acts not only as a voltage doubler, but also as an a.c. inverter!

The coil must supply it's own pulse. Each hi voltage coil behaves as a capacitor. This quadfilar is an oscillating tank circuit that inverts current and doubles voltage with the of simple addition of d.c. power to one side. I put it through a rectifier, so it's the real thing not an instrument error.

This makes me wonder if we connected five 12 volt batteries in series to one coil, would we get useable 120 volt a.c. house power at no cost to transform and invert from the other?

This coil has the potential to replace a transformer core and a group of costly inverter componets, not to mention the resistance losses.

I believe you could plug a T.V. to one end of the Quadfilar, and run it from a set of d.c. batteries attached to the other. This amounts to a practical advance of major importance!

lamare
12-22-2010, 10:49 PM
The big center coil in John Bedini's new self running Ferris Wheel motor generator is 200 pounds and 4000 turns of wire. "4 wires are arranged as a magnetic amplifier through the use of impedance between the coils".

Can anyone help explain exactly how this Quadfilar amplifies magnetisem through impedance?


It sounds a bit awkward, but all right. Impedance says something about the relation between voltage and current going trough an electric component.

You have magnetic induction and electro-static (capacitive) coupling between coil windings and actually both at the same time. Of course a capacitor can be expressed as a certain impedance (1/jwC IIRC) and an inductor as well (jwL IIRC). So, you can say you have a certain impedance between two coil wires, consisting of a capacitive part and a mutual induction part, even though that induction part is not actually an impedance, because there is no current going trough it from one coil winding to the next.

That bifilar electromagnet experiment is also very interesting and may give us some clues. I put up a pdf version at my server:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Bifilar_Electromagnet.pdf
The same amount of voltage, from the same battery, produces twice as much energy in the bifilar wound coil as in the single wound coil.

What happens with a bifilar wound coil, is that you get significantly bigger voltage differences between adjacent coil windings, since adjacent windings are not part of the same coil, and if the coils are in series, you have half the supply voltage across the coil wires in the DC case. So, it is clear that you can store more energy in the capacitive parts of the coil, because there are bigger voltages across these winding-to-winding capacitances.

However, that in itself should not deliver you a stronger magnetic field, since according to classic theory, the magnetic field is related to current, not voltage. But because there is an electric field between the coil wires, the charge carriers inside the coil wires is differently distributed, which could influence the resistance of the coil wire. So, it could be that the bifilar wound coil in the electromagnet experiment draws significantly more current from the battery, which would explain why you would get a stronger magnetic field.

Still, I have a feeling there is more to this than just more current being drawn because of a different charge distribution across the coil wires. It would be interesting if someone could measure whether or not more current is being drawn with the bifilar electromagnet.

If the current is the same, then we would have to go directly to field theory. I will think this further trough and also study Meyl's version of the Maxwell equations:
http://www.k-meyl.de/go/Primaerliteratur/Faraday-or-Maxwell.pdf


As for the circuit being discussed here, just to be certain, this is the schematic that has actually been shown to work? :

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/6863d1289347965-harmoniquad-resonating-bedini-coil-synchrobedini.jpg

If this works, it seems clear to me that the working principle must have something to do with charging/discharging these winding-to-winding capacitors, because you can't be steering an external current into the coil windings when you have the coils short-cutted. And then you are looking much more at an electric kind of phenomenon rather than a megnetic one, IMHO.

synchro
12-22-2010, 11:17 PM
@Lamare,

Take one turn of copper wrap, add 1amp at 1volt in and measure 2 volts and half an amp out. Add a second turn, now we measure 3 volts and less amperage.

The question is: What happened to the magnetc force in the three turns for the same power as one? The magnetic force tripled, right due to Ampere's law.

What would happen to the magnetic force if we transformed the same input power to add 1 volt to the input of the three wraps? The magnetic force would behave as if their were an an additional copper turn in the coil.

You can see how adding a turn doubles the magnetic force while cutting the amperage in half. Higher voltage generates increased magnetic strength, because the force field can't distinguish between the volt of current and a new turn of copper wire.

Two batteries in series will induce twice the magnetic force in a coil as when wired in parallel. Try this experiment your self. Tesla's hi voltage coil has twice the magnetic force because the coil doubles the voltage of the same power as in the single wrap. Charge the single wrap with an equally high voltage and power and the magnetic force would be double. Joe Newman turns a 1200 lb. flywheel with voltage alone from a gang of dead 9 volt batteries wired in series.

This coil now is two Joule Thieves wraped together. A cube of 6 nine volt d.c. batteries wired in series on one hi voltage coil should illuminate an a.c. household incandescent bulb off the other hi voltage wrap. I just discovered this today. I believe this may be a major advance. I have to report to the Joule thread on this.

The above schematic was a mistake of mine caused by mistaking residual capacative charge for the continuity of inductance.

This coil is very similar to the Mcfarland Cook battery, except it's a magnetic tank circuit, transformer, a.c. inverter poorly described as a battery.

This coil is simply 2 Jt's twisted together to form an aircore toroid. The oscillations create a full sine wave and more then double voltage.

synchro
12-23-2010, 09:05 PM
I tested the "Dual Jewel" secondary output through a full wave bridge rectifier. The rectifer passes current in one sense. Only the positive half cycles of the a.c. input appear in the output d.c. voltage. When d.c.'s applied to the a.c. ends of a rectifier, the voltage doubles at the d.c. ends and visa versa. The rectified d.c. voltage out of the Quadfilar is half the measured a.c. in. So I assume the JT2 output current has to be a.c.. I questioned tbis because both my multi meters read d.c. as a.c. times two when just touched to the terminals of a 12 volt dry cell. The meter also reads the d.c. output from the Joule secondary as the same as the d.c. input voltage.

The clincher when deciding wether or not the reading is illusory is the rectifer test. The a.c. into the a.c. sides yields half the d.c. voltage out. Turning it around so it were d.c. would double the voltage at the posative and negative terminals of the rectifer.

The rectified d.c. output voltage has droped by half from the secondary voltage input of the "Dual Jewel", so the secondary output must be a.c. Right?

synchro
12-23-2010, 11:50 PM
I believe I managed to trick myself with my test results. It sliped out of my hands. It's not doing anything special after an even closer look. The coil is very difficult to take measurements off because it spontainiously generates and stores a small amount of power in each series wraped bifilar.