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ashtweth
10-05-2010, 12:43 AM
Featuring all the people we love to see, special thanks to Rick, John , Jeff and our own Peter for this educational conference. Wish i could be there with some SS Steorn boards .

check out Jeff's battery swapper.
Renaissance Charge November 2010 Alternative Energy Conference (http://r-charge.com/Nov2010.html)

Any one here going?

Ash

Peter Lindemann
10-07-2010, 05:08 AM
Ash,

Thanks for starting this thread. I was going to start one, but you beat me to it. I know its rather short notice, but for anyone who has the ability to consider coming to this, let me just say the following.

John Bedini has not gone to ANY conferences in over TWO DECADES, so this is a major event, just for that reason. Second, he is planning to show "a big surprise" and that is all I can say about it.

My talk is going to be called "Electric Motor Secrets, Part 2". I am going to explain EVERYTHING I know about how and why Back EMF functions in electric motors, how it masks the real efficiency of these machines, and how to overcome it, even in CONVENTIONAL MOTORS. I am also going to lay out the complete design characteristics of "The Lockridge Device", which is a fully self-running machine.

"Bits and Bytes" is going to be there, also. He is going to discuss his automatic battery swapper system, and I'll bet he may even show some of the working models of his "Tesla Switch".

Rick Friedrich will be there showing people how to build the big, 10 coilers, with multiple working models to play with and study.

Aaron Murakami is going to be there too, but so far, he isn't a scheduled speaker.

Considering that many of the longest threads on this forum are based on these ideas and the work of these people, this conference will be your best opportunity ever to jump to the head of your learning curve!!!

See ya there.

Peter

sucahyo
10-08-2010, 07:33 AM
I hope any information provided on that conference can be available for free for anyone after that.

My talk is going to be called "Electric Motor Secrets, Part 2". I am going to explain EVERYTHING I know about how and why Back EMF functions in electric motors, how it masks the real efficiency of these machines, and how to overcome it, even in CONVENTIONAL MOTORS.That is rather confusing statement considering what you mention before:
Your circuit may change the APPEARANCE of the motors responses, by limiting the current at start-up speeds, but it cannot overcome the physical construction of the motor and the fundamental geometry and principle of direct induction upon which it is based.

If the motor operates with Back EMF without your circuit, it still operates with Back EMF with your circuit, regardless of what it may look like.BTW, 7imix post better video showing stingo motor require less current to run at the same speed and current is reduce if mechanical load is applied..

Peter Lindemann
10-08-2010, 03:59 PM
Sucahyo,

You are welcome to misunderstand everything I say about the functions of Back EMF. You are welcome to believe anything you want about how electric motors operate and how your circuit modifies their behavior. I offer my ideas in these threads as a GIFT, not as a new dogma that anyone must believe.

Personally, I find it distressing that you constantly inject your misunderstandings into any thread you wish, even when it is OFF TOPIC, as it is here.

I simply ask you to show some civility and common courtesy in the way you pursue your posts. This thread is NOT THE PLACE to push your argument.

Thank you,
Peter

PS. Information presented at the Conference will NOT BE FREE to the people attending, and will not be free to people who purchase the films of the proceedings. The Coeur d'Alene Resort is not providing the Conference facility for free, either. When the food store and the gas station provide their products for free, so will we.

uusedman
10-08-2010, 05:11 PM
Dr. Lindemann,

One of the reason I am making crazy stipulation of how I am going to to attend is because of you and John Bedini!

The only negative comment I have for this conference is the time span. ONLY 2 days???? The Geet conference was a whole 7 days and the principals in the GEET is common Plumbing ideas. Please try to extend the conference or at least consider if someone was to show up early or stay late to give private lessons. People will pay, I would.

G-d Bless and See you there.

sucahyo
10-09-2010, 03:14 AM
Understood. Too bad it won't be for free.

erfinder
10-09-2010, 07:12 AM
....Sorry for interrupting the flow....

John Bedini is making his first public demonstration in 20+ years, and now this....

What appears to be a complete Gray motor has been found.....

YouTube - EV Gray Motor Found! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS4zl3f1fFI)

Did I miss the memo? Did the powers that be lift the ban on these technologies? Its been said that big things come in threes.....whats next?

Regards

nvisser
10-09-2010, 10:41 AM
"The Lockridge Device"
Now that will be something.
Will you sell a video after wards for us that cannot attend?

Matthew Jones
10-09-2010, 11:15 AM
@ Anybody

Ya'll know the closest Airport? Is it Spokane?
Anybody got any extra Travel info I'd very much appreciate it.

Cheers
Matt

citfta
10-09-2010, 11:28 AM
Hi Matt, yes Spokane is the nearest airport. Ii is about 45 minutes away. If you go to the link for the conference and then click on the link for the resort there is some more info there about airlines and flights to Spokane. Are you planning to go?

Carroll

Peter Lindemann
10-09-2010, 05:05 PM
"The Lockridge Device"
Now that will be something.
Will you sell a video after wards for us that cannot attend?

Nvisser,

I'd love to give you a straight answer, but I have been asked not to say. I will tell you this, however. No one attending the conference will be allowed to bring CELL PHONES or CAMERAS into the meeting hall. There will be no "pirate copies" of the proceedings available.....period!

Those who attend will have a very special experience.

Peter

Matthew Jones
10-09-2010, 05:29 PM
Ya I think so.

I'm looking into everything now. I got your email appriciate the offer. I'll let ya know my plans.

Matt

Hi Matt, yes Spokane is the nearest airport. Ii is about 45 minutes away. If you go to the link for the conference and then click on the link for the resort there is some more info there about airlines and flights to Spokane. Are you planning to go?

Carroll

Aaron
10-09-2010, 08:01 PM
I live in Spokane. You all will be flying into Spokane International Airport.
If you go the speed limit, you'll get to the Hagadon Resort in about 40 minutes
since it is all the way into Coeur d'Alene. Some resorts/hotels, etc... have
free shuttle service to and from the airport - I'm not sure if Hagadon does
or not.

Coeur d'Alene is a nice little town right on the lake, which is where the
conference is. There's a nice floating boardwalk that goes around the entire
boat docking area. Will be chilly in mid November so bring warm clothes.
Normally in warm weather, there is paragliding, plane rides around the lake,
beach, free music concerts, whatever...etc... Not sure what kind of
things there are in the colder weather.

Aside from the conference, there is a lot of stuff in walking distance from
the resort - shopping, food, galleries, etc... Conference is over at 6pm
both days so there is a night life there. Unless you have a rental car,
probably want to hang around the resort area - again, plenty of stuff
in walking distance. The downtown itself is very small.

If you like Japanese food, Takara's is the place to go. If you like burgers,
check out Hudson's. Neat little hundred year old burger joint. There are
a good handful of classy little joints in CDA. There is something for every
budget.

The highway is about 5 minutes from downtown and is about 20-25
minutes to downtown Spokane in case anyone is going to be venturing
out. CDA is definitely a much cozier town.

---------------------------

p.s. on that Gray motor - I know who has it. It is not a free energy motor
and uses a lot of power. It runs very conventionally.
Its only value is as a historical piece and to possibly find clues as to what
the real technology was but this motor is not what everyone has been
looking for - it does NOT solve what the Gray technology was. This can
be discussed in the Gray Tube Replication thread instead of here.

Matthew Jones
10-09-2010, 08:12 PM
Thanks for the heads up Aaron. Will we see ya there?

Cheers
Matt

Aaron
10-09-2010, 08:14 PM
Hi Matt,

Yes, I'll be helping out. It's only about 45 minutes from my home.

Matthew Jones
10-09-2010, 09:29 PM
You know whats funny about getting together with people you know on the Internet. You always MOCK UP a picture in your head of the individual, usually based on someone you already know or somthing.
Then you meet'em and it flips you out how wrong you were. LOL

Oh Well it will be good to put faces with the people around here.

See ya
Matt

kippered
10-10-2010, 02:31 PM
I really want to go and am looking into how I can make it happen.

Living in the Pacific Northwest of Canada and currently working 7 days a week makes it tight but I think that I can pull it off.

Anyone know if the number of seat are limited? Might not get the details sorted out for a little bit and it is coming soon.

Matthew Jones
10-10-2010, 02:47 PM
I think there are 500 seats total I believe. I don't know how many are left.

Matt

Peter Lindemann
10-10-2010, 04:59 PM
Everybody,

Yes, there is an upper limit on attendance. The maximum number of people allowed (by Fire Code) in the Conference Room provided is 500. This cannot be expanded at the last minute to accommodate more. People from Europe and Asia are already booking at an amazing rate.

Anybody who wants to attend, especially people in North America, should DECIDE NOW and figure out the details later. If you wait until the last minute, you may not get in.

With this in mind, just remember; LIFE has an uncanny way of supporting COMMITMENT. Once you make a decision, the whole universe starts synchronizing to make it happen. Your decision is the KEY that sets everything in motion.

If you had any idea how much your life would change by attending this event, weighing the costs against the benefits would be "a no-brainer"! We know that the logistical costs of transportation, lodging and meals are much more than the cost of the event itself. That is why the cost of the conference is being kept low. But the opportunity to "spend two days in John Bedini's World" has never been offered before!!!!!!! What's it worth to you?

For those Opting In, I'll see you there.

Peter

nvisser
10-10-2010, 05:46 PM
OK. That's it.
I'm in!!
Probably have to take a second bond on my house.

kippered
10-10-2010, 07:56 PM
With this in mind, just remember; LIFE has an uncanny way of supporting COMMITMENT. Once you make a decision, the whole universe starts synchronizing to make it happen. Your decision is the KEY that sets everything in motion.


Yes I do know that and your reminder made me sign up just 2 seconds ago :thumbsup:

Now to figure out the details....

blackchisel97
10-10-2010, 07:57 PM
OK. That's it.
I'm in!!
Probably have to take a second bond on my house.

I wish I could do that:o
Guess I'll have to wait to hear the news from those who are able to be there.
It sounds great.

:cheers:
V

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-10-2010, 08:05 PM
I wish I could do that:o
Guess I'll have to wait to hear the news from those who are able to be there.
It sounds great.

:cheers:
V

Ah Vtech, I thought you were attending, or at the very least, rolling through with your 18 wheeler. I am very excited to finally meet face to face my forum pals. This is truely the BIG Event and I hope to see all of you there.

Jeff

blackchisel97
10-10-2010, 09:07 PM
Ah Vtech, I thought you were attending, or at the very least, rolling through with your 18 wheeler. I am very excited to finally meet face to face my forum pals. This is truely the BIG Event and I hope to see all of you there.

Jeff

I would love to. I'm trying to figure out something.

Thanks
V

phi1.62
10-10-2010, 11:15 PM
Will videos be made of the conference speakers that can be purchased later? This sounds like an interesting conference but since I'm in Australia and I don't have the funds to fly over I can't attend.

Sputins
10-11-2010, 01:24 AM
Will videos be made of the conference speakers that can be purchased later? This sounds like an interesting conference but since I'm in Australia and I don't have the funds to fly over I can't attend.

Ditto for me too. I doubt I can update my passport, arrange visa, time off work, sweet-talk the girlfriend and afford the accomodation, airline tickets, conference tickets and other sundry expenses etc..

However its nothing is impossible, I suppose! :thinking:

It would certainly be worth the money time and effort to attend this event!

It would be wonderful if there were some of the Aussie represenititves (from this forum) there!!

I do hope however, some of the conference material is released on DVD for purchase at a later date..

:cheers:

nvisser
10-12-2010, 12:12 PM
My air tickets are paid for and hotel stay sponsered by a saint from the forum.
All I have to do is go to the USA ambassy on Tuesday for my visum.
Looks like I will be the one who solves Africa energy problems!! LOL
Who else from this forum is going? It will be good to know who to expect there.

citfta
10-12-2010, 01:34 PM
That is great news Vissie. I was hoping you would be able to make it. My son and I are both going and at least one of his friends. He has some other friends that are interested also. And now it looks like most of the TS switch thread people are going to be there.

See you there, Carroll

PS. Does anyone know if John K is going to be there? Or any one else from the TS switch thread that hasn't already said they were going.

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-12-2010, 01:43 PM
That is great news Vissie. I was hoping you would be able to make it. My son and I are both going and at least one of his friends. He has some other friends that are interested also. And now it looks like most of the TS switch thread people are going to be there.

See you there, Carroll

PS. Does anyone know if John K is going to be there? Or any one else from the TS switch thread that hasn't already said they were going.

Hi Carroll, I talked to John K. the other day and he said that he would not be able to make it. He just started a new job, so no vacation days.

See you there,

Jeff

tagor
10-12-2010, 03:21 PM
My air tickets are paid for and hotel stay sponsered by a saint from the forum.
All I have to do is go to the USA ambassy on Tuesday for my visum.
Looks like I will be the one who solves Africa energy problems!! LOL
Who else from this forum is going? It will be good to know who to expect there.

hello

2 french friends are going there

daniel

Aaron
10-12-2010, 09:05 PM
Anyone going to the conference will be kicking themselves
if they aren't affiliates for the EnergenX chargers - it's free
and easy to do:

Tesla Chargers Affiliate Program (http://www.teslachargers.com/affiliateprogram.html)

As Peter mentioned, a new line of chargers will be revealed. :whistle:

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-14-2010, 03:46 PM
Team, just got an update from Rick about the conference. All I can say is WOW!!!

If you’re still undecided about attending, please know that the Hotels are booking up quickly. There are also over 20 international folks signed up. This is huge. Who is going to travel the farthest? Hope to see you all there.:thumbsup:

Jeff (Bit's)

nvisser
10-14-2010, 05:33 PM
23Hours in the air for me just to get there!
Beat that.

Armagdn03
10-14-2010, 05:42 PM
It would appear my ducks have lined themselves up enough for me to attend. Look forward to putting some faces to names!

Peter Lindemann
10-15-2010, 06:12 PM
Hi folks,

I spoke with Rick recently, also. People are registering for the Conference at a steady pace. There have been hits on the Website from over 70 Countries, so interest in this event is truly Global. Also, now that we are within 30 days of the event, Rick told me they will start advertising in the local media within a week or so. The Spokane-Coeur d'Alene corridor and surrounding area have a population of over 500,000, so local participation at the Conference may easily fill out the Hall. Just something more to think about if you haven't made up your mind yet.....

I look forward to meeting all of you who have decided to attend.

Peter

Aaron
10-15-2010, 08:58 PM
Jeane Manning is scheduled to give a talk on the school-girl motor. It was
her article in Atlantis Rising that was instrumental in helping to bring a lot
of awareness to Bedini's work for the modern day free energy enthusiasts.

http://www.rexresearch.com/bedini/atlris1.jpg

http://www.rexresearch.com/bedini/atlris2.jpg

http://www.rexresearch.com/bedini/atlris3.jpg

Turion
10-18-2010, 02:59 AM
Anybody interested in sharing a room for the conference? I have one booked at the Resort City Inn which is 7 minutes walk from the conference. Info is as follows:
2 Queen Beds with refrigerator, microwave and coffee maker, high speed internet, cable TV, free local phone calls, complimentary newspaper in lobby. Includes continental Breakfast. 2nd Floor The room is $69 a night plus taxes and we could split that. They do NOT provide shuttle service from the airport to the hotel, which means cab or shuttle. Shuttle is $45 one way. Cab is $50 plus tip.
You can e-mail me at 11Turion@gmail.com

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!

Aaron
10-18-2010, 06:09 AM
Is this conference announced at Peswiki or Overunity or has anyone here
shared it in a thread over there?

rosehillworks
10-18-2010, 06:54 AM
Hi all,
Aaron, Peter, Mathew, John, Jeff(Bit's), Rick, Nvisser, and all the valuable contributors to the forum I am really looking forward to attending the conference. I booked a room at the resort. My wife and I got to spend 4 days with Paul Pantone about 6 years ago, learning his technology and now we are looking forward to having the chance to expand our knowledge. My sons and I are presently framing a new house for our family and we are anxiously anticipating the ability to incorporate some of the technologies being discussed on the forum into our home. As always I have valued everyone's contributions and hard work that has been put into the forum. Your encouragement to continue learning these technologies has been a delight. Thanks, Will Reed
PS. Nvisser, you have us beat, we only have to fly a little over 5 hours, see you there.

ashtweth
10-19-2010, 01:45 AM
Well its like i thought its more of a family conference:),with out you guys going others would not get as much exposure to this info, spread the word.

Its a goal of ours to get a nonprofit research center for these events in future, a permanent home, all of which our great AUDIENCE and speakers more than deserve. Wish i could be there to thank you all for attending.

Sincerely
Ash

ashtweth
10-19-2010, 01:46 AM
Is this conference announced at Peswiki or Overunity or has anyone here
shared it in a thread over there?

Hi Aaron, will email Stefan and Sterling now.

Ash

nvisser
10-19-2010, 11:13 AM
I passed the Interrogation this morning and got my visa to visit the USA!!

Matthew Jones
10-19-2010, 11:20 AM
Whats this poor little town going to do with all of us descending upon them? :eek:

LOL
Matt

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-19-2010, 01:32 PM
I passed the Interrogation this morning and got my visa to visit the USA!!


Woo Hoo! Wasn't there a show "Coming to America"?

Peter Lindemann
10-19-2010, 10:58 PM
Whats this poor little town going to do with all of us descending upon them? :eek:

LOL
Matt

Matt,

Hopefully, it will serve us some really good DINNERS!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Peter

Turion
10-20-2010, 03:33 AM
Oh, there goes my diet! Guess I better get on my bike and see if I can work off a couple pounds before I put on five or six!

Matthew Jones
10-20-2010, 11:07 AM
Matt,
Hopefully, it will serve us some really good DINNERS!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Peter

I here ya.

Matt

Matthew Jones
10-21-2010, 12:28 AM
Jeane Manning is scheduled to give a talk on the school-girl motor. It was
her article in Atlantis Rising that was instrumental in helping to bring a lot
of awareness to Bedini's work for the modern day free energy enthusiasts.

http://www.rexresearch.com/bedini/atlris1.jpg

Aaron or anybody

Is this the same Jeane Manning?

The Clock is ticking. We need new, clean, safe energy sources NOW! What can you do? (http://www.breakthroughpower.net/Home.html)

Matt

ashtweth
10-21-2010, 02:16 AM
Heya Bro. Yes this is the lady. Very vigorous worker in the field. Make sure you all have some orgniac dinners and raw food or you will run out of energy:rofl: :cheers: .

Vissie All the way from SA!, wicked man.

Ash

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-21-2010, 02:58 AM
Hi Gang, if your still undecided about attending, when this airs, there will not be any seats left;

"X marks the spot, remarkable picture just taken:

Renaissance Charge November 2010 Alternative Energy Conference (http://r-charge.com/Nov2010.html)

Things are coming along fine for this historic event. We are making progress and
people are registering. We will be placing adds locally and across the Radio for
this weekend so that we can fill it up asap. We gave everyone on the groups a
few weeks advance so that all could come who wanted to. If you still want to
come, please contact us asap so we hold room for you.

The new radio add will appear as follows if anyone wants to promote it:

RENAISSANCE CDA WORKSHOP CONFERENCE NOVEMBER 2010
Special announcement for our Renaissance Charge customers!!!
Have you ever wondered what it would take to make your car run on 100% electric?
What about making a motor into a generator? How about a simple device that is
both a supper efficient motor and generator at the same time? What if this could
also be used to restore useless batteries and save you lots of money? Because
you, our customers, asked for it, we have organized a Renaissance Conference
workshop on November 13th-14th at the beautiful Coeur D'Alene Resort in Idaho.
Not only will you see these fascinating Energizers, but for the first time you
will be able to build some alongside of genius inventor John Bedini.
Register now while there is room left to participate in this truly historic
event featuring our Cutting Edge Alternative Energy Tesla Technology.
Visit r-charge.com that's R dash charge dot com for details.
208-772-4514 that's 208-772-4514"

See you at the conference,

Jeff

Aaron
10-21-2010, 06:50 AM
Aaron or anybody

Is this the same Jeane Manning?

The Clock is ticking. We need new, clean, safe energy sources NOW! What can you do? (http://www.breakthroughpower.net/Home.html)

Matt

Matt,

Yes, I posted the whole article a few posts back.

That came out about 10 years ago.

Matthew Jones
10-21-2010, 11:49 AM
Ya I read that article. I've read alot of stuff she has wrote. I found her website through the Bill Muller site along time ago. Just never put 2 + 2 together.

Her stuffs pretty great. I guess thats alot more to look forward to.

Matt

kippered
10-22-2010, 04:10 PM
When I started down the path of looking at energy alternatives (initially just to improve my gas mileage...) I bought Jean's breakthrough power book. Not only it was a game changing book for me but Jean met me in person for a chat and autographed my copy :)

Very nice lady and contributes allot via her website and the new energy movement of Canada. Glad to see she will be a part of the event.

I am getting quite excited....

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-25-2010, 01:30 PM
Just sharing an excerpt from Rick from another forum

"John Bedini told me that he has already 2 hours of history he has never shared on his motors, going back to the 50s. Not even I have seen it. His is pumped and has worked on this harder than I have seen him before. This is going to blow everyone away. I wish I could say all the things prepared. There are at least 5 major things that will be shown for the first time, and we keep working on more."

Thanks

Jeff

Matthew Jones
10-25-2010, 01:40 PM
Man I can't wait....:yahoo:

Matt

nvisser
10-25-2010, 01:57 PM
:D That is what we were waiting for!!

Peter Lindemann
10-25-2010, 04:11 PM
Hi Folks,

Just to add to the news, Bits is right. I spent Saturday afternoon with John and Rick as the "Big Surprise" was being assembled for the first time. All I can say is this.

If you have ever wished that you were at the 1984 Tesla Convention when Jim Watson showed his big machine, based on John's Free Energy Generator book,.......

then just come to this Conference, and wish no more!

Peter

Turion
10-26-2010, 12:52 AM
Peter.
When you say things like that, you could give an old guy like me a heart attack! And then someone else would get my spot. No, wait. I would still be there, even if I was hooked up to life support.

ashtweth
10-26-2010, 01:42 AM
(heart attack too) :D . Wish some one could film it, i bet it would raise a few DVD's for remuneration to support projects, put me down if so guys.

Ash

Jdo300
10-26-2010, 05:49 AM
Hello Everyone,

Some of you may know me a couple of years back on OU.com for my work on the Steven Mark TPU device and Magnet Motor research, but I am also an avid researcher in the area of Tesla radiant energy phenomena. I am currently registered and will be attending the CDA conference in November and wanted to take the time to introduce myself to everyone here as I am very much looking forward to interacting and sharing with you all at the conference.

I have been doing a lot of research into radiant energy lately and have a running version of the "Tesla Switch" circuit on my bench right now. I attached a couple of photos for your viewing pleasure. I have not been much of an active poster lately on the forums since I prefer to work directly with people but I was wondering who all from here is going to be in attendance? My desire is to schedule my flight so that I will arrive early on Friday and leave possibly Monday night to allow for time to interact with anyone who happens to be available after the conference is finished. John, Peter, Bits, Jeane, and others, I look forward to meeting you all in person along with my close associate Larry Rand. This sounds like it will truly be the opportunity of a lifetime!

- Jason O

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-26-2010, 11:30 AM
Hello Everyone,

Some of you may know me a couple of years back on OU.com for my work on the Steven Mark TPU device and Magnet Motor research, but I am also an avid researcher in the area of Tesla radiant energy phenomena. I am currently registered and will be attending the CDA conference in November and wanted to take the time to introduce myself to everyone here as I am very much looking forward to interacting and sharing with you all at the conference.

I have been doing a lot of research into radiant energy lately and have a running version of the "Tesla Switch" circuit on my bench right now. I attached a couple of photos for your viewing pleasure. I have not been much of an active poster lately on the forums since I prefer to work directly with people but I was wondering who all from here is going to be in attendance? My desire is to schedule my flight so that I will arrive early on Friday and leave possibly Monday night to allow for time to interact with anyone who happens to be available after the conference is finished. John, Peter, Bits, Jeane, and others, I look forward to meeting you all in person along with my close associate Larry Rand. This sounds like it will truly be the opportunity of a lifetime!

- Jason O

Nice setup Jason. Look forward to meeting you.

Jeff.

erfinder
10-26-2010, 11:55 AM
Bits,

Its too early for me to contact Rick, do know if there are any free spots left, I would like to make the trip from Europe to attend the conference.....

Regards

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-26-2010, 12:11 PM
Bits,

Its too early for me to contact Rick, do know if there are any free spots left, I would like to make the trip from Europe to attend the conference.....

Regards

There is still seats left, but I would not delay any further. They are filling up fast.

Thanks

Jeff

PS, I sent Rick a message for you.

erfinder
10-26-2010, 12:23 PM
There is still seats left, but I would not delay any further. They are filling up fast.

Thanks

Jeff

SWEET......I'm on it!

Edit...
Thanks for giving Rick the heads up....I will try and call him as soon as he gets in the office.

Regards

Armagdn03
10-26-2010, 12:44 PM
SWEET......I'm on it!

Edit...
Thanks for giving Rick the heads up....I will try and call him as soon as he gets in the office.

Regards

Erfinder!!! Hello my friend, i will be very happy to meet you in person! Ill be the guy with the rat... :rofl:

erfinder
10-26-2010, 01:48 PM
Erfinder!!! Hello my friend, i will be very happy to meet you in person! Ill be the guy with the rat... :rofl:

HAHA......The feeling is very mutual man....I'm loving how the impossible becomes possible at the last minute.....!

Regards

petar113507
10-26-2010, 09:51 PM
Hi Folks,

Just to add to the news, Bits is right. I spent Saturday afternoon with John and Rick as the "Big Surprise" was being assembled for the first time. All I can say is this.

If you have ever wished that you were at the 1984 Tesla Convention when Jim Watson showed his big machine, based on John's Free Energy Generator book,.......

then just come to this Conference, and wish no more!

Peter

I may not have been born for the 1984 Tesla convention -- Now that I'm here though, I'm not missing this for the world. I have a feeling this will blow my mind.
:suprise:

Gaah! What number can I call to get my reservation?? Paypal isn't working for me. :eek:

==Romo

Bit's-n-Bytes
10-26-2010, 09:56 PM
I may not have been born for the 1984 Tesla convention -- Now that I'm here though, I'm not missing this for the world. I have a feeling this will blow my mind.
:suprise:

Gaah! What number can I call to get my reservation?? Paypal isn't working for me. :eek:

==Romo

Give Rick a call at;

Visit r-charge.com that's R dash charge dot com for details.
208-772-4514 that's 208-772-4514"

Tell him Bit's sent you.

Thanks.

petar113507
10-26-2010, 10:13 PM
Give Rick a call at;

Visit r-charge.com that's R dash charge dot com for details.
208-772-4514 that's 208-772-4514"

Tell him Bit's sent you.

Thanks.

Thanks Bit's, Just gave him a call -- got that taken care of.
:fingerdance:

==Romo

john_g
10-26-2010, 10:53 PM
Everybody,


With this in mind, just remember; LIFE has an uncanny way of supporting COMMITMENT. Once you make a decision, the whole universe starts synchronizing to make it happen. Your decision is the KEY that sets everything in motion.

For those Opting In, I'll see you there.

Peter

Peter

You are so right. I thought I would have so many problems getting this agreed. Once decided booked ticket and again floated idea of me going - and now its all fallen into place - even with a little encouragement. Quite amazing!

Look forward to seing you all there.

Regards

John

Peter Lindemann
10-27-2010, 04:54 AM
Dear john g,

I'm glad everything is working out for you. See you at the Conference.

Peter

ren
10-27-2010, 08:00 AM
HAHA......The feeling is very mutual man....I'm loving how the impossible becomes possible at the last minute.....!

Regards

Take it all in buddy, I will be wishing I was there and picking your brain dry when you get back.

Regards

erfinder
10-27-2010, 12:53 PM
Take it all in buddy, I will be wishing I was there and picking your brain dry when you get back.

Regards

Hey!

You know you are one of the main reasons why I am going! You were one of the first to recommend that I put my preconceived notions aside and simply explore the SG circuits......As you know I took that advice to heart...and now i'm addicted....That being said....whats mine is yours...hopefully they won't make us sign a gag order....if not...you know....we will be discussing what I soak up from this conference for months!

changing the subject a tad.....

Armagdn03 recommended the Bob Beck information, I second that....I'm looking into that information and circuit as well.....He has brought the fight to our level, the tool of choice is as simple as the 555 timer based cap pulser circuit we all have built....a simple mod and you have the Beck zapper/ozone generator/colloidal silver producer........could this big bad bug really be beaten by a 5 dollar pulser circuit? LOL....that would be too sweet....

Regards

ren
10-27-2010, 10:20 PM
Hey!

You know you are one of the main reasons why I am going! You were one of the first to recommend that I put my preconceived notions aside and simply explore the SG circuits......As you know I took that advice to heart...and now i'm addicted....That being said....whats mine is yours...hopefully they won't make us sign a gag order....if not...you know....we will be discussing what I soak up from this conference for months!

changing the subject a tad.....

Armagdn03 recommended the Bob Beck information, I second that....I'm looking into that information and circuit as well.....He has brought the fight to our level, the tool of choice is as simple as the 555 timer based cap pulser circuit we all have built....a simple mod and you have the Beck zapper/ozone generator/colloidal silver producer........could this big bad bug really be beaten by a 5 dollar pulser circuit? LOL....that would be too sweet....

Regards

:hug:

Yes it would be too sweet. Cant wait to :cheers: a beer with you one day champ.

Regards

Peter Lindemann
10-29-2010, 05:53 AM
Hi Gang,

Here is the YouTube version of an ad for the Conference that is starting to air on local radio stations in the Spokane-Coeur d'Alene area.

YouTube - Renaissance Nov CDA Workshop Conference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqoKX1PzKjM)

See you there.

Peter

Duncan
10-30-2010, 06:32 AM
:thumbsup: Well we all know its hard times; it’s a long way to go from the UK. It’s a hell of a lot of money to stay in that place, I’ve got less time aloft than Nivisser but hours hanging about waiting for connections,:wall: still something is telling me I MUST BE THERE, It’s a bit strange really because I’m normally pretty introvert and avoid crowds like the plague.
I can only suggest that this is going to be life changing!!
I have a funny feeling this is going to be one of those occasions when later on in your life you will be able to say “I was there when...”
Anyway it will be nice to be among like minded lunatics:thinking: for a while. Even the hints are making my mouth water, Lockridge, Jim Watson, John B working like a beaver!!!:notworthy:
Bring in on, I’ll re- mortgage later. see ya all soon

Duncan
10-31-2010, 01:50 PM
Anyone going to the conference will be kicking themselves
if they aren't affiliates for the EnergenX chargers - it's free
and easy to do:

Tesla Chargers Affiliate Program (http://www.teslachargers.com/affiliateprogram.html)

As Peter mentioned, a new line of chargers will be revealed. :whistle:

Aaron I have just registered on this affiliate program however a quick look through Renaissance sales records will show I bought a couple of chargers when they were first made available. I know they are quite costly but considering the job they do I personally have no issues with that! They make the dead walk again!
No the problem I have is The Import and customs tax they attract entering the UK
Which I recall was over a 1/3 of the price of the chargers. I could envisage a pretty profitable trade for these chargers in respect of golf bag carrying buggies and invalid chairs. And the like
Perhaps Rick could change the description to “Battery savers” or something “environmental” that doesn’t attract such a sting? I have imported quite a lot of electrical/electronic gear from the US without getting slapped like that, Perhaps It’s the MO of the carrier used which was DHL I don’t know, but something needs changing.
I would be proud to try and help punt these chargers and what they represent then...
I drift off subject … A hero from this forum has offered me a place to stay! Jolly good eggs at energetic !!! :notworthy:

Aaron
10-31-2010, 07:22 PM
Hi Duncan,

I'll have to find out more about the taxing issue and we can probably
discuss this at our table at the conference. We'll have a sign for
Tesla Chargers so look for us there.

And we'll be putting a lot of affiliate support tools on our site, etc...

Mark
10-31-2010, 09:39 PM
So Aaron I assume that after the conference you will be able to finally tell us more about the new chargers. I unfortunately will not be able to attend.

Mark

rave154
10-31-2010, 09:42 PM
lol @ the "I was there when it happened" moment......gawd :rofl:

Aaron
10-31-2010, 11:42 PM
So Aaron I assume that after the conference you will be able to finally tell us more about the new chargers. I unfortunately will not be able to attend.

Mark

Yes. At first I wasn't even sure there was a new line. I thought one of the
Tesla Switch chargers was a new one but it wasn't. But there is in fact
a new line that being launched at the conference.

The prices are very nice too!

John_K
11-01-2010, 11:14 AM
Hi folks, thanks to vissie for letting me know about this thread.

@ ren & Ash, maybe we can get together and do something since we can't make the conference? Maybe a phone hookup to make us feel like we're there? :)

:cheers:
John K.

rave154
11-01-2010, 05:19 PM
John K,

you guys could always use Skype Phone, free & quality is good :thumbsup: (will even do video ;) )

Aaron
11-01-2010, 06:57 PM
Skyping or broadcasting the event in any way, shape, or form is
unacceptable by any means. It is unfair to anyone that actually
paid to be there.

Also, cell phones and other electronic devices that can record or disrupt
will not be permitted in the conference room.

Mark
11-01-2010, 07:24 PM
Ya how would you like to pay for superbowl tickets and then they broad cast it for everyone to watch for free on TV. OH wait they do that. hmmm I guess I don't get your point.

ashtweth
11-02-2010, 03:29 AM
Hi folks, thanks to vissie for letting me know about this thread.

@ ren & Ash, maybe we can get together and do something since we can't make the conference? Maybe a phone hookup to make us feel like we're there? :)

:cheers:
John K.

Hi John/Ren and ALL

Looks like SS Steorn board will be here by then, then we need to assemble and solder, ill try and get it ready for a skype thingy, we got a lot of stuff here we can run it with, like Rick's fan kit and Amplifier .:thumbsup:

John_K
11-02-2010, 03:41 AM
Hi Ash,

Sounds great. Looking forward to the Steorn results and catching up with you.

@Aaron, I hope I didn't confuse anyone. Of course anything the Aussies that can't attend the conference do will be separate to the CDA conference. I understand your point.

@Mark, I can't understand why you can't see this point. TV companies pay millions of dollars for the rights to broadcast the Superbowl and they pay for that with advertiser dollars. Maybe if you offered the organizers of the CDA conference lots of dollars to broadcast/webcast the conference it might be a different story. I'm happy to wait for the DVDs, since I can't be there in person.

:cheers:
John K.

Mark
11-02-2010, 12:12 PM
Actually I do see the point. It's just sad that it happens to be about the "money". I realise that people need to be paid for their time and efforts, but it just sickens me that it always boils down to the "money". Most people just can't seem to have enough of it. Look at all the millionaires and billionaires, how on earth will they ever be able to spend all that money.

Seems to me that Rick, John and those involved would want to broadcast or youtube the conference to get as many people to see it as possible. That would stimulate sales of their products more than they could ever make selling DVD's of the conference. But hey what do I know I only look at the big picture.

Michael John Nunnerley
11-02-2010, 07:28 PM
Can someone tell me why Visa is not accepted for this as I am told that for this transaction use another card, and mine is fully paid up and my bank said there is no problem. Has anybody had the same problem?


Mike

Matthew Jones
11-02-2010, 07:53 PM
PayPal is like that sometimes. You might have to set up an account.
I always just use the buyers credit and pay it off. No interest or service charges.

Then again maybe its sold out.

Matt

nvisser
11-03-2010, 10:43 AM
Actually I do see the point. It's just sad that it happens to be about the "money". I realise that people need to be paid for their time and efforts, but it just sickens me that it always boils down to the "money". Most people just can't seem to have enough of it. Look at all the millionaires and billionaires, how on earth will they ever be able to spend all that money.

Seems to me that Rick, John and those involved would want to broadcast or youtube the conference to get as many people to see it as possible. That would stimulate sales of their products more than they could ever make selling DVD's of the conference. But hey what do I know I only look at the big picture.

If you want to go to the movies, you must buy a ticket!
That is just the way it is and always was.

SkyWatcher
11-03-2010, 11:09 AM
Hi folks, I'm with you Mark/Mike. A conference based upon excess energy devices and one has to pay for the information. And before some said, it's free or excess energy, though the devices are not free. Ok fine, I'll accept that even though I don't agree with that even, but now were charging to even get the information. These comments of mine require no negative reply from the so called experts, they are only intended to make people think. Maybe as long as people feel they owe nothing to there brothers and sisters of the world, things will stay the same for them. Sharing freely your time, energy and labor and ideas with all is the only way out of this. Though people may take as long as they need to figure this out, we'll be waiting for you.
peace love light
Tyson:beamup: :rainbow:

Matthew Jones
11-03-2010, 12:27 PM
What alot of people are failing to see about this whole thing is the market of selling this stuff is "Short". So there should be a charge and revenue should be generated.
We who are paying to go see, and supporting future research by seen developer, will inevitably use what we learn in future devices.

So no way around the info is getting out sooner or later. The short term revenue generated from selling the first generation of information insures future development of better, faster,and more efficient technique.

Besides those who are crying about having to pay are just mad because they haven't the funds to go. Nothing to be ashamed of, but you should get past it and look at the bigger picture.

The stuff is getting out!!! Be happy and wish Gods Speed on those who are selling it, giving it, and developing it.

Matt

Mark
11-03-2010, 01:25 PM
If you want to go to the movies, you must buy a ticket!
That is just the way it is and always was.

Have you ever watched a movie on TV? Or are you saying that the DVD will only cost $8.00, or that I can rent it for $3.00.

I don't think charging to go to the conference is out of line at all. People were allowed to video things at the Tesla conference why not at this one? Because they want to sell video's. It's about the "money". It's always about the money. It's the American way. Why do you think we already don't have free energy. :thinking:

SkyWatcher
11-03-2010, 02:10 PM
Hi folks, Mark said
It's about the "money". It's always about the money. It's the American way. Why do you think we already don't have free energy.
I know what the big picture is and it starts now, every step and every choice and action in every moment creates the world we live in. One can believe doing the same thing that created a situation will change it and that is ones divine gift to experience the results of that. Why is it so hard for some people to see that the change starts now, not later, not at some predestined time when another says our plans will culminate in a victory over what. One can't fight an invisible force that is not even real. The only big picture to be seen is the one most people are blind to. You and I and everyone you see in the world are the same energy being, pretending not to be. What more can I say. Folks can choose to stay with the state of conscious awareness they are at for as long as it takes for them to figure this out. So the question then becomes, why would anyone charge themselves for anything. Quite the paradox. Though you folks have the right to keep on believing in this illusion, though be prepared to continue charging yourself, oops i mean others, for ideas, food, rent, clothes, water, air and continue in the make believe survival world. One does have the choice to decide, though much effort is made to make it seem otherwise.
I like this song, it has a decent message.
YouTube - Melissa Etheridge - What Happens Tomorrow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxzYlQ6XOjI)
peace love light
Tyson

nvisser
11-03-2010, 05:16 PM
John says don't miss the Renaissance Conference
A lot of people are asking about video of the Conference. We have no certainty
that there will be filming of the meeting available to anyone.

We have some really special things going on and John says that this will never
be shown again. Nor has it been shown before. He wants me to tell everyone on
the lists to not miss this.

Rick

albertMunich
11-03-2010, 05:55 PM
Hello friends,

I envy you and would really like to attend. But flying in from Germany is a little too expensive for me. So I too hope we'll get some infos soon after the conference.
It seems like the thing is getting serious! This is probably the biggest thing to happen in years. Now it's up to you who will be speakers and experimenters at the conference to deliver the goodies. And they better BE good!

I hope you have invited people from the other side- physicists, "classic" electrical engineers and the like. I am not talking about the professional sceptics who will not see an overunity device if their nose gets stuck in the rotor.
But: If it's just an insider show catering to those who already believe in OU it won't have the effect of convincing those who need to be convinced in order to get any of these processes to the market. If you can convince or impress even one person from MIT or another big mainstream university it will do more for the cause of free energy than anything else. To get highly qualified theoreticists and hands on engineers to look into these processes will advance not only the cause of free energy but science in general.

But be also aware that by going public you will also attract those who want to suppress this at all cost. Remember what happened to Jim Watsons batteries? Better have some padlocks ready this time. A German sheperd trained on MIBs would not be a bad idea,too.:rolleyes:
Take a close look at who will say what. And for what reason.
If you can set up a machine to self run for the whole duration of the conference it will do more than the whole STEORN effort.

I am looking forward to seeing the results! :thumbsup:

Albert

Aaron
11-03-2010, 07:08 PM
For anyone staying at the Hagadon Resort where the conference is,
I saw on the conference site that: "CDA Resort provides transport."
so you won't have to pay for a taxi - if I'm reading that right.

For anyone not staying at the resort, you all may be able to coordinate
some shared taxi rides to reduce expenses.

kippered
11-03-2010, 07:57 PM
Now it's up to you who will be speakers and experimenters at the conference to deliver the goodies. And they better BE good!

I am sure there will be some vibrant discussion after the conference which I look forward to contributing. I cant bring a video camera if I had one but I sure can bring my pen and paper!

John_K
11-03-2010, 09:09 PM
Hi folks, I'm with you Mark/Mike. A conference based upon excess energy devices and one has to pay for the information. And before some said, it's free or excess energy, though the devices are not free. Ok fine, I'll accept that even though I don't agree with that even, but now were charging to even get the information. These comments of mine require no negative reply from the so called experts, they are only intended to make people think. Maybe as long as people feel they owe nothing to there brothers and sisters of the world, things will stay the same for them. Sharing freely your time, energy and labor and ideas with all is the only way out of this. Though people may take as long as they need to figure this out, we'll be waiting for you.
peace love light
Tyson:beamup: :rainbow:

Hi Tyson,

I think you'll find that John has already shared this information for FREE for the last 30 years anyway. It's been on the Internet for almost as long as well. Research also costs money. I can assure you that if any money is made from the conference and subsequent DVDs (if any), it will be poured back into further R&D of future products. Hopefully John has enough left over to feed himself and maybe a cup of coffee! I personally have invested thousands into this research and have found that what has already been shared for free works as claimed if it is built as directed.

:cheers:
John K.

Matthew Jones
11-03-2010, 09:15 PM
For anyone staying at the Hagadon Resort where the conference is,
I saw on the conference site that: "CDA Resort provides transport."
so you won't have to pay for a taxi - if I'm reading that right.

For anyone not staying at the resort, you all may be able to coordinate
some shared taxi rides to reduce expenses.

It $69 round trip for the shuttle service. They don't tell ya that till you call.

Also anyone needing a ride. I'll have a car after 2 pm Friday.
I am also coming back at 5 pm to pick someone else up.
PM me we'll work it out.

Cheers
Matt

Turion
11-03-2010, 09:50 PM
There are all kinds of sites out there with John's schematics on them, and there are all kinds of videos like Peter's Motor Secrets and the Energy from the Vacuum series, and I have most of them, and the books. And I have built lots of different things. I search on YouTube all the time, and I am willing to try anything.

Honestly, the thing that is most valuable to someone like me who is willing to work their butt off, but has a limited understanding of what to do and how to do it, is something like Imhotep did with his little motor. He took us through the build process step by step. But even THEN we were left to figure out how to tune it on our own.

The knowledge will never be "Out There" until someone takes the time to put together something that takes the viewer step by step through the entire process of building and tuning a device. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. Something that can be given to ANYONE so that they can build a working model. Just saying that the schematics are out there is not enough. How many people can read those???????

And yes, I've heard the arguments that you have to "learn about this technology" and "understand how it works". Which is a load of crap. I don't need to know anything about how my microwave works in order to use it, or my cell phone, or my hair dryer. All I need to know is how to turn it on. And that's the problem right now. Not everyone can build their own hair dryer, because they don't know how. But I can BUY one! And not everyone can build a working over unity motor or device because MOST of us don't know how. But we CAN'T buy a working model. Only a kit, that you MAY or MAY NOT ever get to work. The devil is in the details. I know this from experience. And most people don't have the TIME or the stick-with-it ness to gut out what it takes to get one of these things working.

I'd bet that more than half the people on these forums have never tried to build anything. And some of them still insist that it can't work. Some of us believe that they CAN work. So we are willing to spend the time and energy and money it takes to learn more. And some of us are rewarded for our efforts. But until something that actually works is mass marketed, or until someone puts together a video of how to build and tune a device that people can watch and replicate successfully, it is not "OUT THERE" and never will be.

If someone started a site for successful over unity device replications how many people would be able to post something there that they have built, that works, that has been replicated, that can BE replicated, with directions on how to build it and tune it that ANYONE could follow and be successful. When that happens I will believe it is "OUT THERE." right now I still worry that we are in danger of having wonderful ideas and concepts follow those of Tesla into some dark cavern where they may never see the light of day again.

By the way, I'm going to the conference. When I take classes at the University to learn more about something important to me, I pay for it. This is important to me. I will pay for it. Just like I would BUY an over unity device if they were sold. Wouldn't we all?

Mark
11-03-2010, 11:01 PM
Hi Turion

Not one of the kits that are being sold are overunity either. Even though it may be interpreted that they are. There are claims of overunity devices that have been made but I have not seen one that has been succesfully replicated. You'll see claims of devices on youtube that have 4 times the output compared to the input but for some reason they dont work or they have been "turned down". Even the DVD's that give you the information to make a working device never seem to deliver what they promise. If you want a real free energy device you'd be best off spending your money on solar or a wind turbine at least we know those actually work. I would really like to attend the conference but I'm not convinced that the $1,000 or more I would spend with travel, lodging and so on would be worth it. Everytime I've seen a big build up with some great new this or that, with little details of what it is I am usually dissappointed in the end. I hope for every ones sake that is paying to go that they walk away with something more than you get from a magic show.

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-03-2010, 11:33 PM
I hope for every ones sake that is paying to go that they walk away with something more than you get from a magic show.

Ok Mark, I've sat on the sidelines but now have to say my piece. I am quite honored to have been asked to speak at this event. You’ll not see a magic show from me, but you’ll see a couple of many devices that I have created, all which have very useful purpose(s). I am also honored by just being in the same room as many talented individuals such as Vissie, Mathew Jones, Citfa and many more. I wish John Koorn could also be in attendance. You see, this event is all about “networking”, sharing of ideas, finding out about ones culture, etc. It is NOT a “magic show”, albeit, folks will experience history at this event. Like many others, I have poured thousands of dollars in my own research and have shared every bit of it, but also ask nothing in return. My rewards are to have contributed to change this worlds thinking, and one day say that I had a hand in it.

Hope to finally see you there

Jeff

Mark
11-04-2010, 12:28 AM
Ok Mark, I've sat on the sidelines but now have to say my piece. I am quite honored to have been asked to speak at this event. You’ll not see a magic show from me, but you’ll see a couple of many devices that I have created, all which have very useful purpose(s). I am also honored by just being in the same room as many talented individuals such as Vissie, Mathew Jones, Citfa and many more. I wish John Koorn could also be in attendance. You see, this event is all about “networking”, sharing of ideas, finding out about ones culture, etc. It is NOT a “magic show”, albeit, folks will experience history at this event. Like many others, I have poured thousands of dollars in my own research and have shared every bit of it, but also ask nothing in return. My rewards are to have contributed to change this worlds thinking, and one day say that I had a hand in it.

Hope to finally see you there

Jeff

Bits

I have more respect for you than anyone on this forum. You truly have given all that you have learned except that which may have been NDA'd. I'm sorry if I have offended you, that was not my intent. But when I hear statements about seeing stuff that has never been seen before with no elaboration what so ever what is one to think. Its an advertising ploy. If you dont sign up today then the offer is not valid tomorrow. Why the song and dance tactic. Why not be staight forward, tell us whats going to be there.

Look at this summary posted on Rick's site to sell the Kromrey converter DVD
Well, here it is, John Bedini's legendary "G-field generator" from the early 1980s in all its glory running on the bench and putting out more power than John is putting in. And ejecting a stream of freezing cold air from its interior, where one would "normally" expect heat would be produced and dissipated.
In this DVD John Bedini, painstakingly traces the "G-field generator's" pedigree and history all the way back to the late Professor Raymond Kromrey, and John then presents the theory, the circuit diagram, what to do, and what not to do, to build one that works.

I haven't heard of any replications that work have you.

Or this outake from Magnetic Gates & Howard Johnson Dialogues with JOHN BEDINI
Oriented primarily towards potential magnetic experimenters and motor builders, there is no excuse for not being able to build a simple self-powering magnetic motor after having watched this lecture and demonstrations.

And, as always, John's explanations are simple and easy to follow, even though they include effects that are not in the “textbooks.”

Haven't seen one of these working either.

I just think people should get what they expect and in a lot of cases that just doesn't seem to be the case.

Look at the 10 coiler it has been represented as a device that John has powered his home with but from what I has seen that is far from the case. And its suppose to be replica of the original.

I respect you Bits and your work and contributions. They have far exceeded anything that I have done. I just want the truth, no smoking mirrors or empty promises. I dont think that is too much to ask after all the money a lot of us have spent with very little to show from it. If I could get all the money back from kits, wire, rotors, magnets, transistors, scr's, relays, caps, etc... I probably could be close to being off grid with a solar unit.

Turion
11-04-2010, 01:11 AM
Mark,
I don't mind spending the money, or the time, or the effort. I am learning. I wouldn't trade a minute of the frustration I have had for someone GIVING me answers. You never value things you haven't worked for. Every little success I have now, is a cause for celebration.

What I truly wish we had were the teachers to walk us through this step by step to help us build devices that work. Not just me, but everyone who is willing. I would just be part of the group and shut my mouth and follow directions. We NEED the people who know to teach the rest of us. Show us step by step how to do it. Not just a few of us, but thousands of us. That is the only way this information is going to get out there. Call it an on-line class. Sell us all exactly the same kit so that we are all working with exactly the same parts and you have to PROVE you bought the kit to even become part of the forum where the teaching is. Who would sign up for a step by step class taught by Bedini? Only everyone I know in the free energy field.

I have been incredibly lucky to have a few people on these forums take me under their wing and help me to become better at what I do. Without them I would still be lost. They answer my stupid questions and point me in the right direction time and time again. I value what they have given me more than I could EVER express. There is no greater gift to give someone than the time it takes to teach them.

My fear is that if this DOESN'T happen, eventually we are going to lose the things that have been discovered before enough people know about it that it becomes a tidal wave instead of the little trickle it is right now.

SkyWatcher
11-04-2010, 01:12 AM
Hi folks, Hi Mark, this quote from you is why I'm here annoying people with common sense they seem to have forgotten or think is not practical in this world.
But when I hear statements about seeing stuff that has never been seen before with no elaboration what so ever what is one to think. Its an advertising ploy. If you don't sign up today then the offer is not valid tomorrow. Why the song and dance tactic. Why not be straight forward, tell us whats going to be there.
The way we have been living folks, is not practical. Let me give an ultra simple example that anyone should be able to grasp and if you can't, then it seems maybe you like fake survival world a little too much or don't know any better.
The closest thing to our real selves and nature as beings in this world, would be a parent that cares for a child growing up. Does anyone really think they would be here now, if their parents had not unconditionally provided for their sustenance, shelter and other basic needs. It's interesting, when we become so called adults, the whole scenario is turned on it's head and it's everyone for themselves and is it any wonder, why things are the way they are. Do we owe our parents anything, no. What we owe them and your creator, is to take that example and live it to the best of our ability. Now it's obvious many have not learned from that example and one can see this in the world and in a few opinions shared on this very thread. Am I judging anyone to be right or wrong, good or bad, no. I am simply trying to open the eyes of anyone I AM able to. Though invariably, there will always be those that see these ideas as impractical for there survival and maybe that's my point and why were in this so called survival. After all, with my simple example of a parent caring for their child, it's a little hard to deny what I'm saying. By all means, have your gatherings and social events and share your ideas and such, though keep in mind what I've said, for it will serve you at some point.
peace love light
Tyson:sun:

Matthew Jones
11-04-2010, 01:55 AM
Look at this summary posted on Rick's site to sell the Kromrey converter DVD
Well, here it is, John Bedini's legendary "G-field generator" from the early 1980s in all its glory running on the bench and putting out more power than John is putting in. And ejecting a stream of freezing cold air from its interior, where one would "normally" expect heat would be produced and dissipated.
In this DVD John Bedini, painstakingly traces the "G-field generator's" pedigree and history all the way back to the late Professor Raymond Kromrey, and John then presents the theory, the circuit diagram, what to do, and what not to do, to build one that works.
I haven't heard of any replications that work have you?


Yep I sure have. And if you haven't your not watching the right people
YouTube - OTG - Kromrey submerged lightbulb - DMR10.WMV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX902qMdDUs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Watch his other video's as well. Write the guy, he'll probably answer.

Wanna know why it works? Because he worked at it. PERIOD.

And while I am pissed and on the subject. What have you tried? Anything? Do you look?
You need to take your foolish nonsense and go somewhere else if your not actively researching, your waisting our time. And you should be treated accordingly.

Everything you write goes to record. And your sole intention as far as I have ever seen is to discredited any of us who try.

@Everybody else you should stop waisting time and space on this one.

Matthew Jones

Mark
11-04-2010, 02:33 AM
Yep I sure have. And if you haven't your not watching the right people
YouTube - OTG - Kromrey submerged lightbulb - DMR10.WMV (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX902qMdDUs&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL)
Watch his other video's as well. Write the guy, he'll probably answer.

Wanna know why it works? Because he worked at it. PERIOD.

And while I am pissed and on the subject. What have you tried? Anything? Do you look?
You need to take your foolish nonsense and go somewhere else if your not actively researching, your waisting our time. And you should be treated accordingly.

Everything you write goes to record. And your sole intention as far as I have ever seen is to discredited any of us who try.

@Everybody else you should stop waisting time and space on this one.

Matthew Jones

Maybe you haven't looked closely at the video you posted, here is a coment by the poster and replicator:

"Thanks John. It's a nice party trick, but I don't see anything out of the ordinary here. I obviously wouldn't put my hand in the water if it were mains electricity, where I would form a nice route to ground.

Regards

Dave."
Its nothing out of the ordinary by his own admission and certainly not overunity!

And yes I have tried multiple set ups, with rotors and without. I have purchased many items from Rick and have spoke with him on numerous occasions. I've worked with different joule thief setup, 3-pole, 6-pole and 9-pole set ups. I've built my own solar cap discharge set up (only got up to
2amps 25 volt dump). The only practical thing I've been able to make is a battery rejuvenator. Sure I've been able to light up hundreds of leds with a couple if AAA bateries and light (2) 6 foot CFL's with the power going thru me but nothing that is over unity. I'm pissed too. How much money have you spent and what practical devices do you have. Show me your over unity device. Bits is the only one I have seen that has anything that could be classified as over unity.

Matthew Jones
11-04-2010, 02:56 AM
Yep thats the typical answer. "I have spent so much..." SOmebody important will vouch for me. :thumbsup:

Wrong video YouTube - 18 ga QUAD COIL KROMREY Monopole LOW RPM 1.mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFy6kqxjRZE&feature=related)
Same group.

Matt

SkyWatcher
11-04-2010, 06:36 AM
Hi folks, I'm not knocking anyones efforts or lack there of . What I'm pointing out in my brief visit on this thread and planet, look around people, your paying for land, paying to rent, paying for shelter in general, do you really think we will get excess energy devices to the masses while that still goes on. Please, wake up. As long as an individual thinks paying for shelter or just the land to build their own is somehow fair and just, well then be prepared to keep paying some energy dictator till the end of your days. Really, what has happened to common sense, first things first. Though sharing our ideas and building things and gathering, certainly can do no harm, it fosters the infinite creativity we all possess. Though as I said, if this is supposed to be open source, then why is any information being withheld or being charged for. Guess some have different ideas on open source.
peace love light
Tyson:sun:
edit: oh and I myself sure hope this is all being recorded, maybe someone will learn something

albertMunich
11-04-2010, 12:11 PM
Now c'me on and give the guys a break....they will have to pay for the conference room and associated catering. And I don't object to them making some money off the event if it is used for research purposes. They too have to pay their rent. And they will not get rich on this stuff....

As Bits has said many times this effort has to be a collaborative one. I do not think that any single person will come up with THE OU device. It will be a mosaic of different ideas and approaches...

I only got interested in free energy after I had studied Patrick Kelly's Bible of free energy-what an effort he has put into this!- and seen there were so many common points between different devices. This convinced me that there is a greater truth to be discovered behind this. Only the arrival of the internet has made a community of the many isolated inventors.If they get together now physically instead of virtually I expect that this will give everyone a tremendous boost.
After all the stakes are extremely high: We want to overthrow 100+ years of mainstream scientific thought. Show that there is more to electricity than we have seen so far. This is nothing less than a revolution. And it will not happen in one day-.But the chips are on the table now.
If you look into history certain ideas only came into play when the time and the public consciousness were ready for it. Photography was not invented in the 17oos although all the elements were there already. But no one took up the threads and went on to fix the image that formed in a camera obscura.
And then it all happened at the same time in the 1830s. In different countries and by different methods, photography was invented by many people almost simultaneously.
Same thing with television: You certainly had to know a lot about electronics and mechanics when you wanted a TV in the 30s - how many made their own with rotating "Nipkow" discs and neon lamps and selenium cells? And they were smiled at. John Baird had to show his machine at Selfridges department store in London to keep from starving.
An invention goes thru 3 stages: First it is unbelievably primitive. (Look at the Baird televisor: Cardboard discs, a bike headlight and salvaged motors, literally strings and chewing gum. but the thing worked!)
Stage 2: The thing gets unbelievably complicated. Photographers had to carry a tent, glass plates and dangerous chemicals to prepare their materials on the fly.
Stage 3: The thing becomes elegant, sleek and easy to use even for the "common man" - you push the button we do the rest.
We are at the primitive stage at best with this now.We get shocked, we burn transistors and we have flying magnets embedded in the walls...and we get smiled at.....but I firmly believe there will be a positive outcome, or I would have thrown out the roomful of stuff I have built over the last couple years a long time ago.
GO FOR IT! The world looks at Coeur d'Alčne now. Where the heck is that anyway?!;)

Michael John Nunnerley
11-04-2010, 12:11 PM
Hi All

I know how frustrating it can be not to get your hands on a free energy device, for a name to call it, but the powers that be will not let you have it in a form that could be commercialised at a price that would make it available to most, it will just not happen. What will happen is that the people whom can construct their own device from plans of others and make it work will have to make do with just that.

A commercially produced product would be doomed from the start with all the controls that can be implimented by the powers so as you could not comply with their terms put on you. What can't be stopped at the moment is for personal use, but you will have to build it and conform to safty standards.

Now as far as the conference is concerned, the cost is high, but the event HAS to be paid for, I think a cheaper location could have been found but thats by the by.

I will be there and all the others that will be giving information on these or similar machines, this is where it can really start to educate people on how to really do these things. I will be available for anybody whom wants to talk to me on my work and I give it free, but words do not make the machine, plans and parts do and they cost money in time and material and we ALL have to eat and pay into the system, no free rides I am affraid.

Mike

SkyWatcher
11-04-2010, 01:28 PM
Hi folks, Micheal John Nunnerly said :
I will be there and all the others that will be giving information on these or similar machines, this is where it can really start to educate people on how to really do these things. I will be available for anybody whom wants to talk to me on my work and I give it free, but words do not make the machine, plans and parts do and they cost money in time and material and we ALL have to eat and pay into the system, no free rides I am affraid.
Is it not ironic that we can agree that suppression and tyrannical controls are in place to prevent mass dissemination of excess energy devices and yet, at the same time gloss over and accept with defeat the real reason for it. You and many others have said the same thing, "no free rides I am afraid". Then we must all be ghosts, cause that's exactly what our parents did for us and yet we turn our backs to this glaring example of how to live and should be living. It's one thing to say the systems stink and don't serve the good of all and quite another to throw our hands up and declare we must be enslaved to this madness and that's the way it is and it will always be so.
"May your chains sit lightly upon you"
I've said my peace, good luck on your paths.
peace love light
Tyson:sun:

Turion
11-04-2010, 07:13 PM
So a commercially manufactured product is doomed because of "the powers that be." While that thought makes me sick to my stomach, I can buy that as a working premise. But how about a kit? Or barring even that, an incredibly specific parts list. And then a step by step video which doesn't have to show names, faces, or even have voice over. Just takes you through the steps of putting that parts list or (if possible) kit together and tuning it so that it is over unity, so that THOUSANDS of us can replicate it. Post the video on YouTube and publish the link here. Or sell it. I bet I spend on the average of $200 a month on my free energy "hobby" I would gladly pay a few thousand for the parts and DIRECTIONS on how to put it together and tune it, and you can't tell me there isn't a way for those who know how to do this to make that information available to the masses without revealing who they are. Or without making some serious money from doing it. Start a non profit and pay the researchers a salary. I'm from California. I KNOW how much money would be available for that kind of research just here in the Silicon Valley alone.

And even if I built the thing and it worked, do you think I would be happy with that and quit?? No way!! Once you have something, that's when the fun begins. You try to make it bigger, better, faster, produce more power, refine it for different applications. That's where it BEGINS.

This Friday I am attending the "Tech Awards" here in San Jose where people who have made outstanding contributions to technology from all over the world are honored for having improved the lives of people everywhere through innovative inventions. I don't get to go every year because it's not easy to get an invitation, and it isn't something you can "buy a ticket to". Besides, wearing a tux isn't my thing. I'm more a jeans and t-shirt kinda guy. It doesn't have to be some incredible device either. Two years ago one of the winners was the developer of the disposable syringe. It is my dream to see someone from one of our forums up on that stage getting an award for some small device that helps folks in some remote country without power lead a better quality of life. I know there are people here who could make that possible.

And I know that for many of us it is definitely NOT all about the money. Or we wouldn't be here, sharing ideas and contributing to each other's work. Yeah, there are some bad apples here, naysayers and pessimists. But those folks are everywhere. Anybody who is committed will learn to tune them out and ignore them. And this work will go on. Why? Because it is the RIGHT thing to do. And as long as it is the right thing to do, there will be folks who do it. Not for money, not for glory, not for any intrinsic incentive, but simply because it is RIGHT. And for that, I will be forever grateful. Because one day all this effort will pay off in incredible ways.

Mark
11-04-2010, 09:52 PM
Hi Turion

Well said :thumbsup:. You get it! I wish the people that know "how" to do this felt the same way, or if they do would put a plan into action. We've waited long enough.

erfinder
11-04-2010, 10:58 PM
The schematics are available, have been since 84....thousands of replications are on record...varying degrees of success......

My rant begins like this....

We must take responsibility. We must stop (my opinion) trying to get this man to spoon feed us more of his knowledge,

Abandon this copy and paste mentality this leads to nothing more than endless debates and never ending discussions...

The secret lies in applying the principles we have been provided with to existing technologies! Thats always been one of the many messages....

How many here modified the computer fan?!?! How many stopped there?!?!? How many took this to he next level, with increasing understanding, increased the size of the motor from computer fans to 1-5HP brush-less DC motors....anyone??? What about AC motors, anyone try applying this circuit to such a motor.....one maybe two people....

What happens to all of the motors and generators around the world if a means for mass producing this technology is found!!!!!!!??? Can you say land fill!?!?!? Out with the old.....in with the new.....the old consumer motto!!! WTF!!!

Our power lies in the fact that we are left with the scraps, the soon to be abandoned tech....just think...one day we may find ourselves swimming in a sea of abandoned AC and DC motors and generators....and heres the kicker....either we will be among the many cleaning up the mess, being paid to destroy (literally) the motors and generators that we "should be" modifying, or we will be among the few who understand that old saying....waste not want not!

Use what you have! Understand that the technology which is already in place, already in existence, and tested to some of the highest standards can be modified....Why start from scratch and loose at their game, when its so much easier (not to mention cheaper...) to simply pick up where they left off.....Thats how we win, no infrastructure or donations needed... Do we really believe that the powers that be are going to recall all of the AC and DC motors the world over! LOL.... If they do, we will be the work force they call to duty, we will be the ones who will carry out the task of collecting and dismantling....

In closing I would say, support the inventor...we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't for his dedication over the years....If you can afford it support him! If you can't afford it......thank him for what he has given by showing him that the seed he sewed in your imagination didn't fall on unfertile ground....

I am humbled by those who respect the "opinions" others, and I am honored to find myself in the company of so many who have decided to think for themselves!


Regards

Turion
11-05-2010, 02:55 AM
erfinder,
To a large extent I agree with you. People like me, we don't need to be spoon fed. We shouldn't be. We should be willing to do the work, take the things we have been given and run with it, or shut the heck up. I have put thousands of hours into working on this stuff, with many different levels of success on different projects. I have four or five underway right now, and will never stop. I know how good success feels. Working with others of a like mind and sharing what we know is all we should need. On this I am with you one hundred percent. I love this stuff and it is my hobby. No matter what kind of success I have, I will never quit. There is always something new to explore. ALL of the fun is in learning new things, in learning from your mistakes, and from small successes. And from sharing things with others and hearing of THEIR successes.

But what about people like my parents. My dad, if he didn't have me to help, would have no chance to build anything like this. He just isn't capable. He couldn't read a schematic, and although he tries, it is hard for him to understand. Especially with someone like me helping him. I know the basics, and that's about it. Does this mean he doesn't deserve this technology? He and my mom live off the grid and have solar and a 12 volt system. Or how about people who are living without power when something like this could be made available to them. Should they go without because "the schematics are out there"? And we all know that just because you can read a schematic and build a device, it doesn't mean it's going to work overunity. Many of the people without power are children. Some of them can't read. That is where I am coming from. That is my concern. We don't need thousands of replications with varying levels of success. We need a hundred thousand SUCCESSFUL replications. Even then, even if we had a hundred thousands successful replications of overunity devices in garages around the world, we'd still be millions of miles from getting this technology to do useful work or from mass marketing something that no one can patent and earn a profit on because it has been open sourced (as it should be) on the internet for all to share. My concern, my ONLY concern, is that the knowledge of how to do this gets to as many people as possible so that it never becomes "lost" again. That we do what needs to be done before it is too late for our planet and all the people on it who could not build this kind of device if their "lives depended on it." I'm not going to say another word on this topic. I have things to build, and it's way off topic for what this specific site was created for.

My deepest and most sincere thanks to everyone associated with this conference. I know what a pain in the ass putting on something like this can be, and the money never compensates for the stress you endure to make things work like they are supposed to. I wish you all the best of luck and I look forward to seeing everyone there. Thank you to all of you who have helped me over the rough spots. I can't wait to meet you in person.

erfinder
11-05-2010, 07:44 AM
erfinder,
To a large extent I agree with you. People like me, we don't need to be spoon fed. We shouldn't be. We should be willing to do the work, take the things we have been given and run with it, or shut the heck up. I have put thousands of hours into working on this stuff, with many different levels of success on different projects. I have four or five underway right now, and will never stop. I know how good success feels. Working with others of a like mind and sharing what we know is all we should need. On this I am with you one hundred percent. I love this stuff and it is my hobby. No matter what kind of success I have, I will never quit. There is always something new to explore. ALL of the fun is in learning new things, in learning from your mistakes, and from small successes. And from sharing things with others and hearing of THEIR successes.

But what about people like my parents. My dad, if he didn't have me to help, would have no chance to build anything like this. He just isn't capable. He couldn't read a schematic, and although he tries, it is hard for him to understand. Especially with someone like me helping him. I know the basics, and that's about it. Does this mean he doesn't deserve this technology? He and my mom live off the grid and have solar and a 12 volt system. Or how about people who are living without power when something like this could be made available to them. Should they go without because "the schematics are out there"? And we all know that just because you can read a schematic and build a device, it doesn't mean it's going to work overunity. Many of the people without power are children. Some of them can't read. That is where I am coming from. That is my concern. We don't need thousands of replications with varying levels of success. We need a hundred thousand SUCCESSFUL replications. Even then, even if we had a hundred thousands successful replications of overunity devices in garages around the world, we'd still be millions of miles from getting this technology to do useful work or from mass marketing something that no one can patent and earn a profit on because it has been open sourced (as it should be) on the internet for all to share. My concern, my ONLY concern, is that the knowledge of how to do this gets to as many people as possible so that it never becomes "lost" again. That we do what needs to be done before it is too late for our planet and all the people on it who could not build this kind of device if their "lives depended on it." I'm not going to say another word on this topic. I have things to build, and it's way off topic for what this specific site was created for.

My deepest and most sincere thanks to everyone associated with this conference. I know what a pain in the ass putting on something like this can be, and the money never compensates for the stress you endure to make things work like they are supposed to. I wish you all the best of luck and I look forward to seeing everyone there. Thank you to all of you who have helped me over the rough spots. I can't wait to meet you in person.



Ah yes...the children and those who can't do for themselves...If 100,000 truly comprehend this tech and can apply it to existing tech in its most basic form, not aiming for overuinty, then they can instruct.

When a person truly comprehends a subject that subject whatever it maybe becomes a part of that person....so deeply ingrained is the concept that that they can, in this case, put the basic circuit together blindfolded in under an hour...I'm absolutely positive that 98% of the folks here are in that position....overunity....what happened to unity? We just skipped that chapter altogether...LOL....we skipped that chapter and we know this to be true, for here with a technology in our midst which can unite us, we find ourselves divided...

Mass reeducation is needed if this is going to work, and all of us here in this forum on the front lines..The inventor of this concept didn't start us off by telling us to go for the gusto...(and we shouldn't tell the youth and aging of our communities that they should either) it was hinted at that there is more going on in this circuit than we presently understand, the instructions were simply to build.....get your hands wet...get them dirty....everyone in the room won't need to be able to read a schematic if the one person in the room who can is willing to aid those in the room who can't. (he did....now its your our turn...)

I enjoy the inventors approach to this particular matter...where repetition brings understanding and comprehension.....we are motivated to tinker, play, experiment....give that feeling to those who can't read or can't interpret a schematic, and in time you may find that they can teach you a thing or two about this technology....

Just remember....we all had to start somewhere....we don't want the inventor to spoon feed us, we cannot spoon feed those who are coming up after us, we can aid them in their understanding only...., comprehension they get through repetition.....just like the rest of us....

There are more in the world today who understand this technology than there were when we started....! We don't need 100,000 successful replications of something that only the inventor comprehends! We need 100,000 individuals who comprehend the basics! Each willing go over the basics with 100,000 others, who in turn do the same!

These are my opinions.....please forgive me if I offended anyone by expressing them...

Regards

elias
11-05-2010, 11:07 AM
Patience ... everyone .... everything will happen on divine timing....

Michael John Nunnerley
11-05-2010, 12:19 PM
Patience ... everyone .... everything will happen on divine timing....

:thumbsup:

Mike

jerdee
11-05-2010, 03:02 PM
Hello,

I am extremely excited to attend the conference!!

With that said, I'm would be interested in sharing room and travel expensive from the airport if possible.

I arrive at GEG (Spokane Airport) Fri evening @ 10pm. So it will be late, but it was the best I could do to get time off from work. If anyone has suggestion on the best form of travel to the area, please let me know.

Please PM me, you can also contact me through skype.

I'd appreciate any help if possible. Otherwise, I'm looking very forward to meeting many of you in person.

Thanks so much,
Jeremy

Turion
11-05-2010, 03:39 PM
We don't need 100,000 successful replications of something that only the inventor comprehends! We need 100,000 individuals who comprehend the basics! Each willing go over the basics with 100,000 others, who in turn do the same!

erfinder

This I can also buy. If enough people know the basics, the rest will eventually come, because then you have a community of learners with common knowledge. The trickle becomes a stream, which becomes a mighty river. It addresses my primary concern that we don't let this information disappear. I don't think we are as far apart on this issue as you might think.

I wasn't going to comment on this again, but in reading through it, I said something earlier that might be misinterpreted, and if so, it might have offended some people I did not intend to offend. I said I had been told you had to understand this technology and I said that was a lot of crap. To USE it, I don't believe you need to understand it. No more than I need to understand how a hair dryer works to use it. To WORK with it you must study it and understand it. Bedini has said this, and so have many others. This I DO believe. To build it correctly, design with it, practically apply it, you MUST understand it. And that's where the hours of studying it come in for those of us who want to know more. I hope that clears up what I see as two entirely different things. I can't even tell you how many hours over the last few weeks I have spent spinning my motor with a drill (Which Matt Jones recommended to me) while I looked at the wave form on the oscilloscope, so that I could recognize the difference between that and what it looks like when the coil fires. So I could tell WHEN the coil was firing. Not ever having worked with an oscilloscope before, I would not have even known how to turn it on if it hadn't been for Matt's patience with me. And as with most things, the more I know, the more I realize I DON'T know.

Michael John Nunnerley
11-05-2010, 05:07 PM
@Turion

:thumbsup:

Mike

greenliving
11-07-2010, 07:54 AM
Interesting event and a must see.I hope everyone can go.

greenliving
11-07-2010, 07:59 AM
This forum is good for the student,they should join here and share their ideas about this global issues.

Peter Lindemann
11-08-2010, 04:35 AM
Hi All,

For those coming to the Conference from other parts of the globe, here is the weather report of next weekend.

The temperature in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho will reach a high of 45F (+7C) in the afternoons, with lows in the early morning around 32F (0C). Currently, only a slight chance of rain or snow is forecast for the weekend.

Here is a link to keep track of the forecast as you approach leaving for the Conference: 7-Day Forecast for Latitude 47.67°N and Longitude 116.77°W (Elev. 2198 ft) (http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Coeur+d%27Alene&state=ID&site=OTX&textField1=47.6778&textField2=-116.779)

Dress accordingly, and see you next weekend!!

Peter

nvisser
11-08-2010, 06:28 AM
Allow me to repost this From Josh Gowen

OK Guys,....all jokes aside.
I just heard from a friend who has seen what is in store for us. Without giving
away the whole supprise, the message is think HUGE.
If you have ever worried about things that may happen in the future (IE Solar
Flares kill the power grid or the next planned "recession" skyrockets fuel and
energy prices).
Ever wonder what YOU would do, how would YOU maintain your lifestyle, how would you provide for YOUR FAMILY?
Do you wonder what the REAL energy revolution of the future is like, do you want to see it with your own eyes,...feel it in person,... then this is exactly what
you have been waiting for.
Ever wonder what you can do to help preserve the quality of life for your
children and grandchildren, or how to help save the planet from its current
"boiled in oil" fate?
Unhappy with the current "status quo" level of our selfish uncaring world, but
feel powerless to change it? Come,... BE EMPOWERED!
If you have ever set for hours and watched videos of past conferences on
youtube, searching for "secrets" and wishing you could have been there, or
wished you could have had the opportunity to meet truly open minded exceptional people like Tesla, Moray, Grey, Sweet, Etc. Then this is your chance.
Stop wondering and come and see for yourself. It is time for us to stand up and
fight to make this world a place we WANT to bring our children into, and do away with the one where we have to FEAR for their future. This is what your soul has been crying out for! REAL CHANGE!
DO NOT MISS THIS EVENT!!
This is IT, the BIG ONE, never to be repeated. This is your one and only chance
to meet some of the greatest inventors and free thinkers alive today. Once again you will NEVER get another chance,...THIS IS IT!!!
There are still rooms available at the resort, but if you are squeezing the
buffalo (like me) then there are quite a few other options available
"http://www.coeurdalene.org/coeurdalenehotels.htm"
This is not a "for profit" event as some have suggested. The cost of adult
admission ($250) includes a new, redesigned $250 3 pole monopole kit, and you get to spend time with Rick, John, Peter, Aaron, Jeff (Bits), and other
extrordinary people,.. and get to experience building it in a controlled
environment where you can get direct feedback from the pro's, AND FOOD! Not only that, you will get to see demonstrations of the greatest most revolutionary inventions ever,...and no, you have never seen these things before, and may never get the chance to again.
More details are available here...
"http://www.r-charge.com/Nov2010.html"
I certainly hope to get the chance to meet all of you there. Personally, I am
ready to do my part to make a difference.
Love and Light,
Josh Gowen

Mark
11-08-2010, 01:28 PM
"This is IT, the BIG ONE, never to be repeated. This is your one and only chance to meet some of the greatest inventors and free thinkers alive today. Once again you will NEVER get another chance,...THIS IS IT!!!"

Never get another chance, never to be repeated. :wall:

These kind of posts or advertising ploys are what destroy credibility.

Peter Lindemann
11-08-2010, 04:18 PM
Mark,

I can understand your point, but the following is also true. John Bedini has not attended a public function in over 26 years. This is a fact of history. The last Conference he attended and gave a presentation to was the International Tesla Society Conference in Colorado Springs in 1984. He is also currently telling all of us who know him that he will not do this again. John is a man of his word, and so at this time, we are inclined to believe him.

The last time I spoke at a Conference was the key note address at the ExtraOrdinary Technologies Conference in Salt Lake City in 2006. I am asked to speak every year, and usually don't.

John and I have never spoken together at the same Conference.

So, these are the facts on the ground and Josh was simply telling people what it looks like to him.

Since you are not planning to attend, what is the point of your continued commentary? (Rhetorical question)

Peter

electricity
11-08-2010, 05:33 PM
Higherself meditation and other actions create conscious awareness.

I have been seeking within for means of attending but have gotten bad vibrations. Vivid dreams of the event is still meaningless.

I will concentrate my thoughts on past events.

Watson's generator gives me good vibration. Why has'nt Bedini or Peter or anyone that attended that 1984 confrence openly taught this, it is much simpler.

Nature is simple. Heck Tesla did it with brass, iron and copper. Tesla, Moray, Grey, Meyers etc had one thing in common.
:rolleyes:

Peter Lindemann
11-08-2010, 06:37 PM
Higher self meditation and other actions create conscious awareness.

I have been seeking within for means of attending but have gotten bad vibrations. Vivid dreams of the event is still meaningless.

I will concentrate my thoughts on past events.

Watson's generator gives me good vibration. Why hasn't Bedini or Peter or anyone that attended that 1984 conference openly taught this, it is much simpler.

Nature is simple. Heck Tesla did it with brass, iron and copper. Tesla, Moray, Grey, Meyers etc had one thing in common.
:rolleyes:

Dear Electricity,

I find this post fascinating, especially because the topic of my presentation is exactly about what you are complaining that we have never shown before. I am left wondering two things.

1) where the unclarity and bad vibrations are coming from within you?
2) if you know so much, why have you been waiting around for us to teach you?

And just for clarification, "Watson's machine" is just Bedini's design built larger! Bedini started teaching this in 1984 and has never stopped.

I suggest that you come to the Conference, so your heart may be opened and your misunderstandings healed.

With all due respect,

Peter

Mark
11-08-2010, 09:32 PM
Mark,

I can understand your point, but the following is also true. John Bedini has not attended a public function in over 26 years. This is a fact of history. The last Conference he attended and gave a presentation to was the International Tesla Society Conference in Colorado Springs in 1984. He is also currently telling all of us who know him that he will not do this again. John is a man of his word, and so at this time, we are inclined to believe him.

The last time I spoke at a Conference was the key note address at the ExtraOrdinary Technologies Conference in Salt Lake City in 2006. I am asked to speak every year, and usually don't.

John and I have never spoken together at the same Conference.

So, these are the facts on the ground and Josh was simply telling people what it looks like to him.

Since you are not planning to attend, what is the point of your continued commentary? (Rhetorical question)

Peter

Ok, credibility may not be the word I was looking for. Maybe I should have said sales tactics like this leave a bad taste in my mouth, but I think you get my point. I just believe that when people advertise a product or promote something that they should make truthful, honest statements that don't mislead or leave anything that can be misinterpreted.

All of what you wrote I'm sure is true and thats how it should have been posted, not last chance, never again. I'm just tired of seeing ads that read, the final secret, all the info you'll need, and etc... and its simply not true. I just want the facts and the simple truth nothing more.

I don't now why I have such a bug up my butt about this. I'm through venting now. Hope everyone has a great time at the conference and I do wish I could be there.

Mark

electricity
11-09-2010, 10:14 AM
Dear Electricity,

I find this post fascinating, especially because the topic of my presentation is exactly about what you are complaining that we have never shown before. I am left wondering two things.

1) where the unclarity and bad vibrations are coming from within you?
2) if you know so much, why have you been waiting around for us to teach you?

And just for clarification, "Watson's machine" is just Bedini's design built larger! Bedini started teaching this in 1984 and has never stopped.

I suggest that you come to the Conference, so your heart may be opened and your misunderstandings healed.

With all due respect,

Peter
Dear Peter,
Thank you for addressing my concern. I am glad that it got your attention.

Firstly, the negative vibration is stemming from the reactions that I have observed on this forum. I salute you for your efforts in spreading the knowledge of ZPE but there is more that you ought to do. Give more than what you take.

It's wonderful news to hear that John Bedini can now make available his presence to the public. He has attained the sensory and knowledge of nature, something that I am still learning. What he needs to do for the sake of Humanity is to really teach the public on how to replicate simple devices that will do real world useful work and fulfill the energy demands of the public. Do consider the fact that the mass has been stripped of their consciousness.

Take the Watson generator for example, there are numerous attempts at replications with not a single success post. I see this devise as a practical solution to most home energy needs.

There is a BIG difference in Telling or Selling Stories vs Teaching and Aiding in implementation. With 35 years of experience in the field makes me only want to ask, Where is your Humanity?

Secondly, I am very connected to nature, something that everyone ought to have but lacks this sensory due to manipulations by the hidden force that dictates What To Be. The very same force that is quite active in this very forum in leading the mass around the self entrapped loop.

And lastly, I have not learned anything from you yet. So please teach as I am all ears. :rofl:

God Sped with the event.

Turion
11-09-2010, 09:31 PM
electricity,
Where do you get your information about the unsuccessful attempts to replicate the Watson device? I have been searching the internet trying to find ANY attempt to replicate the Watson device, and have been unable to find any. Is there a specific place I could go to find out who has tried? I would love to contact them.

Matthew Jones
11-09-2010, 10:00 PM
BE patient Turion you only got couple more days.

Matt

Mark
11-09-2010, 10:19 PM
BE patient Turion you only got couple more days.

Matt

Is that what they are going to show at the conference? And if so will they actually tell you how to make it work and give a working schematic. If it doesn't come with a working schematic then good luck.

John_K
11-09-2010, 10:28 PM
Is that what they are going to show at the conference? And if so will they actually tell you how to make it work and give a working schematic. If it doesn't come with a working schematic then good luck.

Mark,

Who knows what will be shown at the conference? Only a couple more days to find out :blowout:

John Bedini published how to build it with a working schematic back in 1984.

:cheers:
John K.

Matthew Jones
11-09-2010, 11:05 PM
Is that what they are going to show at the conference? And if so will they actually tell you how to make it work and give a working schematic. If it doesn't come with a working schematic then good luck.

Mark,
Who knows what will be shown at the conference? Only a couple more days to find out :blowout:
John Bedini published how to build it with a working schematic back in 1984.
:cheers:
John K.

@Mark

Peter hinted to it being shown. I have schematic. Based on what I have learned from his other stuff I am positive I could get one running.
So I guess I really don't have to rely on luck. Just little hard work and an open mind.
There is no substitute... You should try it and give up your little campaign to drag someone else into the gutter. If your stuff does not work with given instructions then its your fault, no one else's.
Alot of people better then me will tell ya the same thing.

Matt

Turion
11-09-2010, 11:25 PM
electricity made the statement that many people have tried to build the Watson device and failed. I was just wondering who those people might be. I can find no evidence of anyone even trying to duplicate it, let alone FAILING. And I have searched the internet. I was just wondering if this was another of those blanket statements that "This device doesn't work" when the person who makes the statement hasn't TRIED to build it, and doesn't know anyone who has. I, on the other hand, HAVE tried to build a Watson device. I am lacking one essential part, which is the motor to drive it which needs to have a wound rotor and wound stator, and for MY device, a 1/2 inch shaft. When I finally get one, I will let you know whether it works or not. I can drive the device with a drill or a 12 volt motor and it produces energy as claimed. But until I get the CORRECT motor driving it, I make no claims as to what it will do.

YouTube - 11Turion's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/11Turion#p/u/15/X3E5REgqWI4)

Mark
11-09-2010, 11:57 PM
Mark,

Who knows what will be shown at the conference? Only a couple more days to find out :blowout:

John Bedini published how to build it with a working schematic back in 1984.

:cheers:
John K.

If your talking about the free energy generation book that includes the 1984 edition I have that and have tried to build a small scale one with no luck. There is more to it than has been published in the book or others would have one working.

Matt if you are positive you could get one working then I can't understand why you haven't built one yet. I tried and failed so I guess I've done more than you have so far. Can't wait to see yours working.

Matthew Jones
11-10-2010, 12:42 AM
I have thought about building one its just not where I am focusing at this time.

Matt

John_K
11-10-2010, 12:49 AM
If your talking about the free energy generation book that includes the 1984 edition I have that and have tried to build a small scale one with no luck. There is more to it than has been published in the book or others would have one working.

Matt if you are positive you could get one working then I can't understand why you haven't built one yet. I tried and failed so I guess I've done more than you have so far. Can't wait to see yours working.

Mark,

Yes, I'm talking about the FEG book where it has been re-printed. I also have a copy of the original book from 1984 which is kept in a fire prooof safe.

You have admitted that YOU could not get it to work, that doesn't mean that it doesn't. John explains pretty clearly in the book that the timing is VERY tricky and I know from a radio interview that John did a few years after on "Open Mind with Bill Jenkins" that it took him a long time to get it to work properly, but IT DID WORK!

Jim Watson successfully replicated it and showed it at the Tesla Symposium and then disappeared, never to be heard from again. Maybe some people have also successfully replicated it but have not made it public for fears of what happened to Watson.

Before you ask, no I have not replicated it as my research has led me in a different direction. I don't have the equipment or skills to build such a device, nor do I have the cash to pay someone else to do it for me.

:cheers:
John K.

citfta
11-10-2010, 01:24 AM
Hi all,

Does anyone know if we need to take any hand tools or soldering irons or whatever for the hands-on part of the conference?

Thanks, Carroll

John_K
11-10-2010, 01:37 AM
Hi all,

Does anyone know if we need to take any hand tools or soldering irons or whatever for the hands-on part of the conference?

Thanks, Carroll

Hi Carroll, repost from BM3 from Rick...

No tools necessary. We will post an email shortly. Hopefully tomorrow by email.
The kit will be snap together. All soldering will be done by my staff. Batteries
will be 9V for ease and safety. Volt meters are here, and all other parts.
Check in is just going to the Resort and Information will point you the way. We
will check all names against payment list. ID must be shown.

Rick


:cheers:
John K.

citfta
11-10-2010, 01:46 AM
Thanks John,

I don't know why I didn't think to look at the BM3 group. I haven't looked there in a while. I have mostly been here working on the Tesla Switch thread.

Thanks again, Carroll

Turion
11-10-2010, 01:54 AM
Mark,
Can you tell me where you found your motor with a wound rotor and stator? That's all I need to get mine up and running and I haven't been able to find one.

Sputins
11-10-2010, 02:07 AM
As Mr Bedini says he is going to release something BIG, akin to the Watson device, and I really do hope that he does.. Just someboby please keep an eye on those "Batteries"!

We don't need any of those embedded goverment types (or whomever) stealing those damn batteries again, just as with the Watson device.

Hehe, sounds pretty funny I know but it's just something to keep in mind or an eye out for, lest that any sabotage takes place..

I hope the Conference is a wonderful sucess for all!

:cheers:

citfta
11-10-2010, 02:25 AM
@ Turion

You might try this place. It looks like they have a whole section on DC motors and some of them are not PM motors. They have a wound field in them. If I understand the Watson machine correctly it doesn't matter if the field is shunt or series as long as it is not a permanent magnet type.

Home (http://www.electronicsurplus.com/default.aspx)

Hope this helps, Carroll

minoly
11-10-2010, 04:07 AM
Here is a tribute and possible motivation for anyone who is sitting on the fence:

"http://tinyurl.com/3pmPart1"
"http://tinyurl.com/3pmPart2"

Please note: this is only a quick 20-minute video.
We had to split it, we tried several times to get it under 15 minutes and could not.
We overlapped the split so people should not question. (suck fish if you do :-)
Pay close attention to the voltage readings. These are batteries we have been cycling for over a year now. We know the batteries and their behavior inside out, and although in the vid I make light of floating voltages, these are not floating! Please also note: this is w/o the cap pulser ckt.:angel:

electricity
11-10-2010, 04:17 AM
electricity made the statement that many people have tried to build the Watson device and failed. I was just wondering who those people might be. I can find no evidence of anyone even trying to duplicate it, let alone FAILING. And I have searched the internet. I was just wondering if this was another of those blanket statements that "This device doesn't work" when the person who makes the statement hasn't TRIED to build it, and doesn't know anyone who has. I, on the other hand, HAVE tried to build a Watson device. I am lacking one essential part, which is the motor to drive it which needs to have a wound rotor and wound stator, and for MY device, a 1/2 inch shaft. When I finally get one, I will let you know whether it works or not. I can drive the device with a drill or a 12 volt motor and it produces energy as claimed. But until I get the CORRECT motor driving it, I make no claims as to what it will do.

YouTube - 11Turion's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/11Turion#p/u/15/X3E5REgqWI4)

I am new to this field but am a very quick learner. One sensory that you must have is your natural rights of conscious censory.

The Watson generator is a variant of an old flux gate generator, Brown Ecklin that was patented back in the 1970s. Bedini had made improvements upon it and labelled it G-Field generator. It is very simple. I am sourcing proper materials and will attempt replication. Where does one get soft iron laminates at $avings?.

There are literally 1000s of pages of discussion on this proven overunity devise. Google using related phrase not watson etc. try this site fluxgate generator (http://www.dsius.de/fluxgate.htm)

You need a high effecient motor that will spin your generator at above 2200 rpm for Lentzless quality. I found a salvage geared German motor from a commercial copier. Look around, be resourceful. Also, there is more to your coil that need to be done. There's info posted by Bedini in defense of his devise from Naudins failed replication, tells you quite a bit. I'll dig up the link.

Everyone has a price, it seems that they all had sold out hence the tail chasing confusion in this forum.


We need to understand first the True Nature of Electricity and Magnetism. I am well on my way.


:thumbsup:

Aaron
11-10-2010, 05:46 AM
We need to understand first the True Nature of Electricity and Magnetism. I am well on my way.

That's right. Start with forgetting about conservation of energy
and other false myths that keep people from seeing the truth.

Spent most of the day yesterday at Bedini's with Peter and just hope
more people will see the value of coming. I've seen many things over the
last ten years that I've known John and you all are in for some exciting
things! :v-peace:

Turion
11-10-2010, 05:50 AM
Carroll,
Thanks for the link. At one time I believe Peter said that they both need to be series wound. I will have to check my notes on that. Found it. Here's what Peter said:

There is another interesting feature of the Watson Machine that is usually overlooked, and that is the motor. The salvaged aircraft starter/generator unit was essentially a system that had a wound field and a wound rotor, with a brush commutator. It was probably SERIES WOUND. This means that when the motor is offered electric current from the battery, it will produce bursts of TORQUE. It also means that when the motor is disconnected from the battery, it will produce NO back EMF and NO DRAG except for the brush friction.

electricity
11-10-2010, 06:04 AM
@Aaron
I'm on my wat to Nature's Lab, it's simple and pure.

Your confrence sure sounds like it's gonna be a fun, entertaining packed event. :D

@Turion,
Look no further than above quote, abandon the myths, all of it including your precious notes.

Watson's generator is a re-packaged deal. Happy experimenting!:wall:
G-Field V1.1 Test Report (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/gfield.htm)

Aircraft starter is pricey, get your motor from an office equipment repair shop, heck it might even be free.

Peter Lindemann
11-10-2010, 06:29 AM
I am new to this field but am a very quick learner.

The Watson generator is a variant of an old flux gate generator, Brown Ecklin that was patented back in the 1970s. Bedini had made improvements upon it and labelled it G-Field generator. It is very simple. I am sourcing proper materials and will attempt replication.

There are literally 1000s of pages of discussion on this proven overunity devise. Google using related phrase not watson etc. try this site fluxgate generator (http://www.dsius.de/fluxgate.htm)

You need a high effecient motor that will spin your generator at above 2200 rpm for Lentzless quality.

Everyone has a price, it seems that they all had sold out hence the tail chasing confusion in this forum.

We need to understand first the True Nature of Electricity and Magnetism. I am well on my way.

:thumbsup:

Dear electricity,

Indeed, you are a beginner. Thanks for "endorsing" the so called "Brown-Ecklin" flux gate machine. It just so happens, I invented it. Here is the first Patent Document I filed on the design in 1981. Paul Brown's first report on this machine was published in June, 1982. There are many letters in my files from John Ecklin. One states that if I would send one of the first working models of the generator to Stanford Research Institute for testing, that I would win his Contest for developing the Lenzless Generator.

http://www.free-energy.ws/images/mrt1.jpg

If you want to know more about how this machine came into existence, this link is better: fluxgate generator (http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/fluxgate/)

John Bedini's "G-field" generator is a replication of the Raymond Kromrey machine.

You come into this forum with lots of bluster, but you don't know who you are talking to or what you are talking about.

Peter

electricity
11-10-2010, 07:09 AM
Dear electricity,

Indeed, you are a beginner. Thanks for "endorsing" the so called "Brown-Ecklin" flux gate machine. It just so happens, I invented it. Here is the first Patent Document I filed on the design in 1981. Paul Brown's first report on this machine was published in June, 1982. There are many letters in my files from John Ecklin. One states that if I would send one of the first working models of the generator to Stanford Research Institute for testing, that I would win his Contest for developing the Lenzless Generator.

If you want to know more about how this machine came into existence, this link is better: fluxgate generator (http://home.planet.nl/~sintt000/fluxgate/)

John Bedini's "G-field" generator is a replication of the Raymond Kromrey machine.

You come into this forum with lots of bluster, but you don't know who you are talking to or what you are talking about.

Peter

Dear Peter
Thank you once again for your efforts in clarification of the matter. I was refering to the US-patent No.3,879,622 of 1975.
Permanent magnet motion conversion device (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3879622.pdf)

The Kromrey generator is a precursor of the Ecklin-generator. It contained already a closed flux which is switched periodically by rotation. The rotor coil still has windings on it like a normal generator. The generator had already anti-Lenz behaviour, i.e. lower torque with increasing current from the generator. The efficiency was about 1.

In a Bedini generator of 1985 the rotor consists of two parallel rotating opposite faced permanent artificial horseshoe magnets (made by two cylindical permanent magnets bound by a soft iron) whose common circuit of magnetic flux is closed periodically by two stationary iron cores which are wound around by coils each which deliver the energy of the generator. The oscillogram shown by Bedini confirms qualitatively our calculated diagram. It contains a positive and a negative pair of spikes because the direction of the flux through the coils alterates every half rotation. Bedini restored already the energy from the generator back into a battery by use of a switching power electronic. The energy of the battery delivered enough power to drive the motor of the generator and, because of the overunity efficiency of the generator, a further battery could be charged additionally.

It seems that there is a large number of people here who are desperately trying to replicate this devise. Please elaborate on the areas leading to difficulties.

I will greatly appreciate if you would be kind enough to define Electricity in layman's term.

Regards,
electricity

john_g
11-10-2010, 07:26 AM
Hi

I'm flying out to the conference tomorrow , staying at the resort- just wondering if any forum members will be there kicking around on Friday and want to meet up?

Regards

John

Mr.Whip
11-10-2010, 07:37 AM
Hello All,
I for 1 am very sorry that I wouldn't be able too attend such a great event. I'm in DanDong China right now(NOT A NATIVE) I can't even get YouTube threw these chinese servers. But I would pay anything for a video or DVD of this workshop. I don't post too often because I'm busy like many building. And Reading through others post. I don't want to clutter a good subject with my babbling or misunderstanding, I just read and research or build. When the DVD come's out I'll buy it also. I'm sure its going to be hard to keep up with all your post after the event. But looking forwards too reading them all.

Envy for all that can make it.
Gradatude for those who contributed.
Mr.Whip :cheers:

PS Hea Ash I'm still planning on visiting (Panacea) you once I get to Au. I just got hung up here in China till the first of 2011.:thumbsup: Mabey I could do some volunteer work.

electricity
11-10-2010, 09:34 AM
Hello All,
I for 1 am very sorry that I wouldn't be able too attend such a great event. I'm in DanDong China right now(NOT A NATIVE) I can't even get YouTube threw these chinese servers. But I would pay anything for a video or DVD of this workshop. I don't post too often because I'm busy like many building. And Reading through others post. I don't want to clutter a good subject with my babbling or misunderstanding, I just read and research or build. When the DVD come's out I'll buy it also. I'm sure its going to be hard to keep up with all your post after the event. But looking forwards too reading them all.

Envy for all that can make it.
Gradatude for those who contributed.
Mr.Whip :cheers:

PS Hea Ash I'm still planning on visiting (Panacea) you once I get to Au. I just got hung up here in China till the first of 2011.:thumbsup: Mabey I could do some volunteer work.
This site has an amazing audiance. Global coverage too with impressive Alexa rating. Too bad there's not a single physical devise to back up the hype!.

Don't get too excited yet, lets wait and see what comes of it.

Why are you not building something, China is the source for all of these materials, materials are 10% of the price here in the US. I was looking for those 6" toroid core, they are real cheap over there. I need one for a Bob Boyce cell, I have a hard time finding a Retail source here without having to buy minimum quota from the factory.

Duncan
11-10-2010, 11:25 AM
This site has an amazing audiance. Global coverage too with impressive Alexa rating. Too bad there's not a single physical devise to back up the hype!.

Don't get too excited yet, lets wait and see what comes of it.

Why are you not building something, China is the source for all of these materials, materials are 10% of the price here in the US. I was looking for those 6" toroid core, they are real cheap over there. I need one for a Bob Boyce cell, I have a hard time finding a Retail source here without having to buy minimum quota from the factory.
Hi Electricity This site carriesCourtiestown Marine Limited items - Get great deals on items on eBay.co.uk Shops! (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Courtiestown-Marine-Limited/_i.html?rt=nc&_sid=162601614&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1513&_pgn=2)Dave Lawton, Bob Boyce and certain Bedini Components, They will sell in kit form or constructed and tested, The components are endorsed by the original inventor who receives a % of each sale. They did and probably still carry the toroids, worth an email I would think. Mind you as you say no chance of competing with china but they might sell you one instead of 2000:rofl:
good luck with it! :cheers:

ashtweth
11-10-2010, 11:56 AM
Hello All,
I for 1 am very sorry that I wouldn't be able too attend such a great event. I'm in DanDong China right now(NOT A NATIVE) I can't even get YouTube threw these chinese servers. But I would pay anything for a video or DVD of this workshop. I don't post too often because I'm busy like many building. And Reading through others post. I don't want to clutter a good subject with my babbling or misunderstanding, I just read and research or build. When the DVD come's out I'll buy it also. I'm sure its going to be hard to keep up with all your post after the event. But looking forwards too reading them all.

Envy for all that can make it.
Gradatude for those who contributed.
Mr.Whip :cheers:

PS Hea Ash I'm still planning on visiting (Panacea) you once I get to Au. I just got hung up here in China till the first of 2011.:thumbsup: Mabey I could do some volunteer work.

Hi Mr Whip/ALL

I am busting my nuts to try and get the SS Steorn board done for John K and skype, seems the components in bulk orders will be a while :( Sorry guys :(. Ill do my best to pull a rabbit out of a hat, wanted to contribute some thing for you guys and thank you all personally for attending the event. Seems i am cursed with delays on this thing:mad:

Always welcome here my friend. Plenty of ORGANIC raw food and local engineers who are all supportive of the years of hard work Peter, Aaron and John /all have done. Just bring a big USB drive with you that's all i can say :rofl: :D :thumbsup: :cheers:

Mr.Whip
11-10-2010, 01:32 PM
Hi Mr Whip/ALL

I am busting my nuts to try and get the SS Steorn board done for John K and skype, seems the components in bulk orders will be a while :( Sorry guys :(. Ill do my best to pull a rabbit out of a hat, wanted to contribute some thing for you guys and thank you all personally for attending the event. Seems i am cursed with delays on this thing:mad:

Always welcome here my friend. Plenty of ORGANIC raw food and local engineers who are all supportive of the years of hard work Peter, Aaron and John /all have done. Just bring a big USB drive with you that's all i can say :rofl: :D :thumbsup: :cheers:

We know you are trying hard with the Steorns project. And I think we all wish the conference well. I'm sure those who go will be well satisfied with their visite and what They have gained by being there. Looking forwards to the fresh org. Veggies. And I alwas carry a laptop 2 USB HD's and a thumb drive or 2 LOL.

I'm really excited for the ones that are going to the conference. I can't wait to stay up and read the posts. Enjoy All

Mr.Whip:yinyang:

minoly
11-10-2010, 04:12 PM
Here is a tribute and possible motivation for anyone who is sitting on the fence:

"http://tinyurl.com/3pmPart1"
"http://tinyurl.com/3pmPart2"

Please note: this is only a quick 20-minute video.
We had to split it, we tried several times to get it under 15 minutes and could not.
We overlapped the split so people should not question. (suck fish if you do :-)
Pay close attention to the voltage readings. These are batteries we have been cycling for over a year now. We know the batteries and their behavior inside out, and although in the vid I make light of floating voltages, these are not floating! Please also note: this is w/o the cap pulser ckt.:angel:


I see a few have watched it,:cheers:
Not a single comment?…
I thought this is what this forum is all about :wall:

20 minutes too long for that instant gratification? – Watch the first 2 minutes and the last 2 minutes – see the reading on the primary – let alone the charging…:thinking:

Come-on, my 11 year old “got this”(understood) when he was 10!:p

I’ll be curious to see the differences in Steorns ckt behavior compared to JB’s:cool:

Turion
11-10-2010, 07:23 PM
minoly,
I watched, and it looks good. With batteries it is always hard to tell. You have to see what the resting voltage drops to after they have been allowed to sit for a while. Keep up the great work. Others are ALWAYS watching when you take the trouble to post, even if they don't acknowledge it.

minoly
11-10-2010, 07:59 PM
minoly,
I watched, and it looks good. With batteries it is always hard to tell. You have to see what the resting voltage drops to after they have been allowed to sit for a while. Keep up the great work. Others are ALWAYS watching when you take the trouble to post, even if they don't acknowledge it.

Hi Turion,
thanks for the comment. please note what I wrote.
these are not floating voltages.
we only did a short 20 minute video for youtube show. we have tested, drained, re-energized, and documented these batteries, for a long time now.
I have explained how we did this on the Bedini monopole 2 group at yahoo. come read all about it...:whistle:
YouTube - 3 Pole Monopole Part 1 (http://tinyurl.com/3pmPart1)
YouTube - 3 Pole Monopole Part 2. (http://tinyurl.com/3pmPart2)

kippered
11-10-2010, 08:02 PM
Well I for one cannot wait for Saturday!

I have many questions that WILL get answered because if they are not the answers that I am looking for I will learn just as much.

The price is a small one to pay considering I will learn in one weekend what it would otherwise take me a year plus and lots of money to figure out on my own. I am still in the research phase and am looking for direction be it towards Bedini systems or another direction.

It will be informative and a great cause for original thought regardless of the outcome :D

electricity
11-10-2010, 08:40 PM
Well I for one cannot wait for Saturday!

I have many questions that WILL get answered because if they are not the answers that I am looking for I will learn just as much.

The price is a small one to pay considering I will learn in one weekend what it would otherwise take me a year plus and lots of money to figure out on my own. I am still in the research phase and am looking for direction be it towards Bedini systems or another direction.



It will be informative and a great cause for original thought regardless of the outcome :D

happy learning y'all.

they leaders don't seem to knoe the answers to my simple questions, as they say, God sped. :rofl:

the local comedy will be more worthier entertainment for my 2 cents

Aaron
11-10-2010, 08:53 PM
This site has an amazing audiance. Global coverage too with impressive Alexa rating. Too bad there's not a single physical devise to back up the hype!.

Don't give up your day job mr or ms disinformation - you haven't the eyes to
see what is in front of you and there are multiple devices over 1.0 cop
and you're not even qualified to be a skeptic - that is how flawed your
analysis is.

If you want to continue to disrespect and insult the members here, you
might as well leave as you have nothing to learn since you come to a
conversation from a conclusion.

Please stop acting like you're here to learn anything as you already have
it all figured out.

kippered
11-10-2010, 09:22 PM
Please stop acting like you're here to learn anything as you already haveit all figured out.

That about says it all

It always amazes me that on every message board I have ever been part of there are always people who dont believe in what you are up to and still feel the need to try and impose their 2 cents upon you. Discrediting others will never change their mind unless you are someone that has very strong credentials in the specific area of discussion and can show the hands on experimental data that backes up the point. Still after all that open debate should be encouraged.

Why waste your time on people you think are wasting time :confused: move on and be happy that you are on the path that works for you.

Eric
11-10-2010, 11:39 PM
hi!
just posting how exited i am to get a chance to meet John and Peter.
truly a once in a life time experience. i am just wondering, i understand about not having sell phones and cameras. but is there anything we can/should bring?
ie paper, pencil, laptop. is this strictly a structured agenda lecture event where we just bring our ears or should i bring say one of my humble attraction motor attempts to share with others? also my dad is coming with me as he is very interested in learning about a better way to charge batteries, he has several toyota priouses and extra battery packs which are becoming easier to find used. and we are both interested in adding the benefits of radiant charging to these cells which he has used for any number of alternatives like an extra battery pack for an electric bicycle. will there be any printed material that we can take home with us or do i need to be able to take a lot of notes as i dont like to trust to much to memory alone.

cheers!
Eric

p.s. we will be driving from portland oregon hope it doesnt snow too much!!

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-10-2010, 11:48 PM
hi!
just posting how exited i am to get a chance to meet John and Peter.
truly a once in a life time experience. i am just wondering, i understand about not having sell phones and cameras. but is there anything we can/should bring?
ie paper, pencil, laptop. is this strictly a structured agenda lecture event where we just bring our ears or should i bring say one of my humble attraction motor attempts to share with others? also my dad is coming with me as he is very interested in learning about a better way to charge batteries, he has several toyota priouses and extra battery packs which are becoming easier to find used. and we are both interested in adding the benefits of radiant charging to these cells which he has used for any number of alternatives like an extra battery pack for an electric bicycle. will there be any printed material that we can take home with us or do i need to be able to take a lot of notes as i dont like to trust to much to memory alone.

cheers!
Eric

p.s. we will be driving from portland oregon hope it doesnt snow too much!!

Just bring yourselves, open mind, and many questions. We'll try and answer them all. I grew up in Oregon (The Dalles, Corvallias). Have a very safe trip. See you there.

Bit's

Matthew Jones
11-11-2010, 12:01 AM
Well I don't know about anyone else but if I can't video tape it or record it I am surely bringing a notebook and pen.

Matt

Aaron
11-11-2010, 04:57 AM
I'm excited for everyone that is going to come and the networking will
be incredible as well. It is always pretty magical when
things like this come together and people get to meet when they've
only talked online before.

I don't know much of the content of the other presentations but Peter's
presentation will be spectacular and covers some profound
material that as usual when Peter gives a talk is not easily available or
available at all anywhere else!

John's presentation/demonstration will be quite a trip in a most remarkable
way and you'll want to get as much as you can on both of
their talks. You'll flip on the demo! :whistle:

Rick is the only other one that I personally know that will of course be
sharing much about the motor/energizers and will be showing some
incredible WORKS OF ART.

The other presenters, I'll be meeting for the first time in person other than
Gordy who does the electric vehicle conversions. He made an electric car
for $5000 (that included the cost of the car and full conversion). That
may not be part of the conference but is an impressive price in my opinion!

I'd probably bring some pens
and a notebook. If you don't bring your own, there are probably some available at the gift shops and other local stores within a few minutes walk from the Hagadon Resort (CDA resort).

Anyone plan on going out on the town after the conference on Sat and Sun night? I'm sure there will be a lot of networking and meet/greet.

Is there anyone that is renting a car and/or taxi that would post the times
you'll be at the Spokane airport where maybe other attendees can split
costs on transportation? If you post what time you'll be at the airport and
what time you plan on driving to CDA, maybe someone can PM you and
split the cost or something. Some people are asking me about carpooling
options.

Here is a pdf map of downtown CDA
http://www.cdadowntown.com/20812/main/Content/ImageLib/documents/downtownmap_100dpi.pdf
About 1.something mb.

Towards the bottom left of the map, you can see that boardwalk around
a resort and a clocktower by it - that is where the conference will be.
That is the longest floating boardwalk in the world.

From there, you can walk to the other side of downtown in 5-10 minutes.

chasson321
11-11-2010, 05:55 AM
My scheduled arrival time is 1:22pm Friday. I am renting a compact car car from Thrifty Car Rental.

electricity
11-12-2010, 02:22 AM
@Aaron,
Dear Aaron,
With all due respect, I am not attempting to insult you or any other member of this forum. You are all so closed up with your accumulated values that when opposed creates your negative analytic reactions.

I may not be qualified according to your instilled beliefs but my actions is an exact mirror of Nature, disruption.

It is the rapid disruption that allows efficiency and over unity, after all I am learning the open system and care not for the closed system with it's speculative laws that you call electricity.

If it is not too much trouble, would you please clarify the term electricity.

Regards,
electricity. :D

Aaron
11-12-2010, 07:53 AM
An acquaintance from Georgia will be arriving here at Spokane airport at
about 1130pm or so. He and his girlfriend will have a rental car and is offering
to give a couple people a ride to the resort.

His name is Charles I'll give you his phone number if you private message
me.

If you are going to be at the airport around that time tomorrow night
(Friday at 1130pm) and need a ride, give him a call. I'm guessing with
all the luggage and depending on the vehicle, would have space for
1-3 people.

He is in Georgia, which is Eastern Standard Time I think so if you call,
please wait until tomorrow at a decent hour like after 9am or so in his
time zone.

That was very generous of him to offer and he isn't asking for anything
in return but might be nice to offer up some gas money or something.

Shanjaq
11-12-2010, 10:37 AM
This is relevant to my interests!

I've been a lurker here for years, done some tinkering with various circuits like Imhotep's Radiant Oscillator, Stiffler's Exciter, Erfinder's curious rotary switch demonstrator for 568177, and recently a solid-state Bedini circuit using a trifilar coil wound on a K'Nex jig(cheap, consistent results!)
YouTube - trifilar winder test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-unoHKUIXdM)

Now if only I had the equipment to make a rotor capable of withstanding 30k RPM so I could put the resulting coils to good use =P


I have requisitioned a land conveyance and will be making my way there (bringing some Epochally Über Metal to keep me awake!) Looking forward to seeing everyone there!
:cheers:

Aaron
11-12-2010, 07:22 PM
@Aaron,
Dear Aaron,
With all due respect, I am not attempting to insult you or any other member of this forum. You are all so closed up with your accumulated values that when opposed creates your negative analytic reactions.

I may not be qualified according to your instilled beliefs but my actions is an exact mirror of Nature, disruption.

It is the rapid disruption that allows efficiency and over unity, after all I am learning the open system and care not for the closed system with it's speculative laws that you call electricity.

If it is not too much trouble, would you please clarify the term electricity.

Regards,
electricity. :D

My response to you is because of the claim that the "hype" is not backed
by a single device and has absolutely nothing to do with myself or anyone
I know being "closed" up.

Yes, open systems is a must but rapid disruption is not required if you
are talking about impulse for example such as a disruptive discharge of
a capacitor. You can use rapid disruption or abrupt discharges as I do
in my "Gray" circuits but that is just one of many means to an end and
that happens automatically in every plasma ignition circuit.

Veljko's mechanical oscillator is a device that is over 1.0 cop. It is easily
duplicatable, it works, and there is more mechanical work being done that is
required to input into it.

The refrigerator in my house that is about 15 feet away from me right now
is probably operating at a cop of about 2.0~4.0 or so, which is "overunity".
Probably, every common refrigerator in the world is "overunity" - certainly
over 1.0 cop, which is nothing special - the heat moves to cold for free.
Convert the watts you draw for the compressor into a btu equivelant and
the btu of heat moved in the refrigerator is MORE than the btu equivelant
in watts you drew in electricity from the wall. This is an indisputable fact
and you can see all the over 1.0 cop devices listed in the department
of energy websites - all heat pumps - geothermal, etc...

Really, overunity is an oxymoron since you are not going to get more
than everything that there is. But it is understood that the intended
meaning is more out than we need to input since there is free input from
the environment. And of course the other distinction is that these devices
are all under 100% efficient (less output than total input - that total
includes our input and free environmental input) - and although under
100% efficient can put out more than we have to input not including free
environmental input so over 1.0 cop can happen.

You said yourself people have to start with understanding what
electricity and magnetism is. Then you just ask for clarification of
the term electricity.

Why not start by posting what your own definition of electricity is -
this is off topic for this thread actually so you could start another
called What is Electricity? or something like that.

Aaron
11-15-2010, 07:37 AM
WOW!

Was such a pleasure to meet some of the most passionate, incredible,
brilliant and enthusiastic people I could imagine. Will be an experience I'll
remember forever and a very unique event at that.

Finally got a chance to meet so many of the members here face to face
and was such an honor to be part of such an incredible event.
Thanks to all of you that were so kind to introduce yourselves to me
and for all the kind words. :notworthy:

Was also great to see a lot of old friends I haven't seen in a while! :cheers:

I'm looking forward to hearing about your experience of the conference
and hope to see a LOT of replication builds of some of the concepts that
were shared this weekend!

Will post more later but am running on fumes and have to get some sleep!

ashtweth
11-15-2010, 10:25 AM
Then i assume there will be more conferences :D

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-15-2010, 02:53 PM
WOW!

Was such a pleasure to meet some of the most passionate, incredible,
brilliant and enthusiastic people I could imagine. Will be an experience I'll
remember forever and a very unique event at that.

Finally got a chance to meet so many of the members here face to face
and was such an honor to be part of such an incredible event.
Thanks to all of you that were so kind to introduce yourselves to me
and for all the kind words. :notworthy:

Was also great to see a lot of old friends I haven't seen in a while! :cheers:

I'm looking forward to hearing about your experience of the conference
and hope to see a LOT of replication builds of some of the concepts that
were shared this weekend!

Will post more later but am running on fumes and have to get some sleep!

I echo Aarons words and also have to add "Awsome". Very nice meeting you Aaron and everyone. You folks were truely amazing. Could you feel the "Energy" about free energy? I sure did. I think this world has just taken a new turn.

Thank you for your support.

Bit's


A cut and paste from the other forum from Rick;

Well, it has been quite a weekend! Rather quite a few months. Not over yet for
me. We worked on this Conference up until the very minute it opened. In fact on
Friday I never went to bed. I was standing and working for 42 hours straight! We
had a whole team of our people from all over the US to come together in this
historic event, and I'm not talking about the Conference itself. We put together
several motors in a matter of days. I filmed it all. Probably more than 100
hours. By the time I opened the Conference I was so exausted that I could hardly
think of what to say. But somehow I made it through the day and the whole
weekend was a huge success. The guys who made this happen were Steve Wygant,
Jeff Wilson, David Luke who are some of the finest engineers in the country, and
a very special thanks to John Gowen who gave his heart and soul to take care of
every need and build so many of the motors with us. Also Erik Nissan and Luther
Goodman. All these guys worked on till they could hardly walk and then worked
more. Steve looked like someone punched him in both eyes because he has been
pushing at this pace for months now to make this happen.

On the contrary Denis, I drove in to start off the meeting on the very first
free energy electric vehicle, that is in the non-conventional form. I converted
the rider lawn mower to run off of the window motor. This was just finished up
the night before. I ran it off of 36V of garden batteries and recovered that in
another 36V bank mounted on the back. Pictures coming. This ran at 2/3rds of the
original speed. All we had ready was a relatively small circuit, that is a new
product we will soon display, which wire was only 12 gauge in size. This was the
superman machine as I call it due to its color and ability. We all jumped on
this at the last hour trying to assemble the last parts. It ran just as I
expected. Again, this is the motor that is capable of 100hp when all the coils
are added and the full circuit and right voltage is used. So this was one wonder
of the meeting. I wanted John to drive in on it but he had to be with his wife
that morning. Anyway, people have begged to see this lawnmower so I started it
out with it. Just had to do it.

Next sensation was Jeff Wilson's presentation of my 10 coiler running in a
self-sustaining mode with additional power running two bulbs. More about this
later. I announced today that we will begin selling the battery swapper as a new
Renaissance product in two months. I'll put this up as preorder on the site
tomorrow for $1200. Jeff said he was almost beat up over all the interest in
this. We have been working with Jeff on several products lately.

Another sensation shown with the 30 coiler being assembled in front of everyone.
I didn't get around to finishing it up but Josh and Erik worked on it as much as
they could. We also showed the new 4 pole Sr. and 12 coiler assembled in front
of everyone.

Also shown and given to all people attending was the new 3 pole monopole kit.
More details about this will be shared later.

Another new show was a beefed up window motor B kit with the magnets encased by
aluminum, and a bigger rotor. I just had time to run this off of 2 SSG circuits.
This at only 20 volts and running of the north side magnets only, spinned really
fast.

Next to these was the new prototype window motor in near production ready form.
We ran out of time to show it running, but you could get a feel for it from
looking at the lawn mower.

Another thing to see was my new electric Porsche.

Then finally John showed our big secret motor. We worked on this night and day
for a few months. This demonstrated a number of significant things. And I am
starting to fall asleep now so I must end.

It was a great success minus the Resort letting us down several times which
cause problems, and a few minor delays and problems due to parts not coming in,
and not schematic provided for the kit we were assembling. Someone passed around
the one for the first 3 pole kit, but the color print was not clear enough to
see the details and transistor C and E were opposite due to there being another
transistor.

I did what I could. We only had 350-370 people coming in, maybe 340 paid, so I'm
not doing this again as there is obviously little interest and I am now out $50k
for that. But all in all it went well and I did not see more than one person
dissapointed (the one guy said he expected it to run more perfectly and every
time I saw him he always walked away grumbling. Everyone else told us how much
they appreciated it. Well I tried my best and am burned out. It was truly a
memorial experience for all, and very easily a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

To all who came, thank you for your support and participating.

Sincerely,

Rick Friedrich

Mark
11-15-2010, 03:55 PM
Okay we've heard from a few of the people who put on the conference, lets here from some of you who attended. What did you learn and see!

Aaron
11-15-2010, 06:50 PM
Then i assume there will be more conferences :D

Yes, but I can't say anything about it at this point. Being organized at the
moment - it isn't a Renaissance conference. When we found out that Rick
was doing this so soon, we didn't want to say anything to take attention
away from it. It is something that has been coming together for quite a while.

I will post details as soon as I can but it will be a bit.

Aaron
11-15-2010, 07:56 PM
Great post Bits, but Jeane Manning and Peter Lindemann deserve
just as much credit for their contribution. They had some incredible
presentations and Peter discussed some concepts that are simply not
being talked about anywhere else that should be eye opening for those
that understand the key points.

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-15-2010, 08:10 PM
Yes, but I can't say anything about it at this point. Being organized at the
moment - it isn't a Renaissance conference. When we found out that Rick
was doing this so soon, we didn't want to say anything to take attention
away from it. It is something that has been coming together for quite a while.

I will post details as soon as I can but it will be a bit.

Oh Aaron, very sorry. Like you mentioned we are all running on empty and in a fuzz.
Peter and Jeane as well as many others did a outstanding job! Standing ovations for both of them. I was very honored to be in their presence. Peter's Lockridge device presentation was simply amazing and Jeane really brought it home!

Jeff

everyidea
11-15-2010, 08:41 PM
The event was a great time and I really enjoyed it. What's not to enjoy... great, open minded people, terrific speakers and a frazzled Rick running around putting out every fire that would spring up. You can really see the passion he has for this field of study. Cheers to the crew, their families and their hard work.

The first day had some issues, but I can understand some of the problems of trying to put on a show like this. I ended up getting a kit with no magnets and missing a bearing. Tom took care of me and will be sending these things out next week. Not having a correct, printed schematic didn't help the cause either... but it gave me time to get to know the people at my table and help them with their builds.

The second day was amazing! Great speakers all day long and the special event was very cool and very large! It was nice to be able to approach John, Peter and Bitz at the event and discuss various topics. Rick was a little harder to pin down, he was always onto the next fire. He has got to have the most understanding wife on the planet.

All in all, I'm happy I went. I saw some amazing things, increased my knowledge, shared some knowledge and meet some great, open minded people.

rw

sykavy
11-15-2010, 08:42 PM
I echo Aarons words and also have to add "Awsome". Very nice meeting you Aaron and everyone. You folks were truely amazing. Could you feel the "Energy" about free energy? I sure did. I think this world has just taken a new turn.

Thank you for your support.

Bit's


A cut and paste from the other forum from Rick;

Well, it has been quite a weekend! Rather quite a few months. Not over yet for
me. We worked on this Conference up until the very minute it opened. In fact on
Friday I never went to bed. I was standing and working for 42 hours straight! We
had a whole team of our people from all over the US to come together in this
historic event, and I'm not talking about the Conference itself. We put together
several motors in a matter of days. I filmed it all. Probably more than 100
hours. By the time I opened the Conference I was so exausted that I could hardly
think of what to say. But somehow I made it through the day and the whole
weekend was a huge success. The guys who made this happen were Steve Wygant,
Jeff Wilson, David Luke who are some of the finest engineers in the country, and
a very special thanks to John Gowen who gave his heart and soul to take care of
every need and build so many of the motors with us. Also Erik Nissan and Luther
Goodman. All these guys worked on till they could hardly walk and then worked
more. Steve looked like someone punched him in both eyes because he has been
pushing at this pace for months now to make this happen.

On the contrary Denis, I drove in to start off the meeting on the very first
free energy electric vehicle, that is in the non-conventional form. I converted
the rider lawn mower to run off of the window motor. This was just finished up
the night before. I ran it off of 36V of garden batteries and recovered that in
another 36V bank mounted on the back. Pictures coming. This ran at 2/3rds of the
original speed. All we had ready was a relatively small circuit, that is a new
product we will soon display, which wire was only 12 gauge in size. This was the
superman machine as I call it due to its color and ability. We all jumped on
this at the last hour trying to assemble the last parts. It ran just as I
expected. Again, this is the motor that is capable of 100hp when all the coils
are added and the full circuit and right voltage is used. So this was one wonder
of the meeting. I wanted John to drive in on it but he had to be with his wife
that morning. Anyway, people have begged to see this lawnmower so I started it
out with it. Just had to do it.

Next sensation was Jeff Wilson's presentation of my 10 coiler running in a
self-sustaining mode with additional power running two bulbs. More about this
later. I announced today that we will begin selling the battery swapper as a new
Renaissance product in two months. I'll put this up as preorder on the site
tomorrow for $1200. Jeff said he was almost beat up over all the interest in
this. We have been working with Jeff on several products lately.

Another sensation shown with the 30 coiler being assembled in front of everyone.
I didn't get around to finishing it up but Josh and Erik worked on it as much as
they could. We also showed the new 4 pole Sr. and 12 coiler assembled in front
of everyone.

Also shown and given to all people attending was the new 3 pole monopole kit.
More details about this will be shared later.

Another new show was a beefed up window motor B kit with the magnets encased by
aluminum, and a bigger rotor. I just had time to run this off of 2 SSG circuits.
This at only 20 volts and running of the north side magnets only, spinned really
fast.

Next to these was the new prototype window motor in near production ready form.
We ran out of time to show it running, but you could get a feel for it from
looking at the lawn mower.

Another thing to see was my new electric Porsche.

Then finally John showed our big secret motor. We worked on this night and day
for a few months. This demonstrated a number of significant things. And I am
starting to fall asleep now so I must end.

It was a great success minus the Resort letting us down several times which
cause problems, and a few minor delays and problems due to parts not coming in,
and not schematic provided for the kit we were assembling. Someone passed around
the one for the first 3 pole kit, but the color print was not clear enough to
see the details and transistor C and E were opposite due to there being another
transistor.

I did what I could. We only had 350-370 people coming in, maybe 340 paid, so I'm
not doing this again as there is obviously little interest and I am now out $50k
for that. But all in all it went well and I did not see more than one person
dissapointed (the one guy said he expected it to run more perfectly and every
time I saw him he always walked away grumbling. Everyone else told us how much
they appreciated it. Well I tried my best and am burned out. It was truly a
memorial experience for all, and very easily a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

To all who came, thank you for your support and participating.

Sincerely,

Rick Friedrich

Thanks Rick for your effort! Unfortunately I couldn't come. It was just too short of notice for me. I have helped organize a number of little conferences as you did and I know it is grueling work.:notworthy: 340 was a good turn out! It isn't easy to get people to travel! A few things I learned through those conferences was repetition in the same location and same date (eg.second week of Nov.) every year was very helpful to make it come together. We had a conference in Louisiana and it was sooo hard the first year but the second was much easier local wanted to help and word of mouth advertising was priceless. People need testimonies of others.

blackchisel97
11-15-2010, 09:21 PM
It sounds like a great, very successful event. I was hoping till the last moment for a miracle which would allow me to get there and meet everyone. Makes me feel bad since they were people flying from far away - like Vissie and I live half that distance from Spokane but I couldn't even borrow money to do that. I could even help and would be more than happy to do that. Well, life is a b**** sometimes and that missed Conference is one more thing added to my regrets list. I should start making a bucket list I think:thinking:
If you guys can share anything than please do. I'll be grateful and I don't think I speak in my behalf only.

:cheers:
Vtech

everyidea
11-15-2010, 10:03 PM
Bedini, Rick, Peter and the team built a twenty foot SG motor with three main coils under the base and on the outside of the hub they placed another group of coils parallel to the wheel. I believe the magnets on the hub where the generators and the three on the bottom where the motor drive. Bedini used pie shaped Barium ferrite magnets for the hub coil to help reduce cogs in the generator. The point of the pie was pointing out of the hub and the "crust" part of the pie was facing the axle. The thing had insane torque.

rw

electricity
11-15-2010, 11:52 PM
@Rick,
Judging from your comment, I say it was a total success!. Here in Hawaii, Conventions @ Upscale 5 star hotels runs $35/ person, and that includes Full Luncheon buffet. That should leave plenty about $40k for the other cost, but then I have no idea on how much the leaders charge for their presence or the other hidden costs.

May be you oughta plan your next convention for Hawaii, that way I don't have to travel. :D

Anyway, I am only interested in practical usable devices, so do we now have enough disclosure and knowledge to build one yet?. Or does it still take a decade to light each light bulb:D ?

Thanks for your great effort, I myself do not see a need for that circuit.

electricity
11-16-2010, 12:27 AM
Bedini, Rick, Peter and the team built a twenty foot SG motor with three main coils under the base and on the outside of the hub they placed another group of coils parallel to the wheel. I believe the magnets on the hub where the generators and the three on the bottom where the motor drive. Bedini used pie shaped Barium ferrite magnets for the hub coil to help reduce cogs in the generator. The point of the pie was pointing out of the hub and the "crust" part of the pie was facing the axle. The thing had insane torque.

rw
I think Moore's Law should apply to the SSG, after all it's a high tech transistor machine. 20' ehh, that's insane. Must be MW/hr output.

So 2 decades later, it should be closer to TW/hr. I think by Tesla's standard of 10 hp/lb, that monster machine is simply Insane, I give up visualization. :rofl:

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 12:43 AM
[QUOTE=electricity;116784
Anyway, I am only interested in practical usable devices, so do we now have enough disclosure and knowledge to build one yet?. Or does it still take a decade to light each light bulb:D ?

Thanks for your great effort, I myself do not see a need for that circuit.[/QUOTE]

The only thing I can say is you missed out and now you are still asking the same old questions, "are we there yet"? Electricity, you missed out. Beginning with Rick entering in the conference on a lawn mower which not only propelled itself while charging it's own battery's, me demostrating the 10 coiler powering itself while running a load (The whole conference), Rick driving his electric Porsche to the conference (10 miles @ night with full lights. I followed him), Gordy riding his electric motorcycle, Peter telling us ALL about the lockridge device (including secrets never told before), Jeane Manning giving a revelation speech, and finally John, showing his machine that ran for the entire second day on "Perpetual" (yes I said it) motion until he generated power out of it, and you have the nerve to say that you do not have a need for that circuit? The only thing that I can say is that you are on the wrong forum and I wish the best for you. Please help us by taking your "Business as usual attitude" elsewhere. I myself have worked a lifetime to see this day and can say "We did it"!!!!!

Bit's

electricity
11-16-2010, 01:07 AM
OK bits,
Don't take it too personally.

Heck I don't even believe a word that they say. Why?. Because there's not a shred of physical evidence on this site that I can replicate and produce copious amounts of self sustained power to do useful work.

I did buy a Kit, can it do usable work?. Nope, none, it's for mere experimenting. Spend all the $$$ that you can afford with these kits, will they provide you with self sustained excess P?. Tell me.

I am a newbie and I am the voice of the 1000's of newbies that reach this site daily in search of energy independence.

So there's more mysteries unveiled such as the Lockridge?.
It's not more technological mambo jumbo that makes a difference in the real world, it's application of SIMPLE devses that regular folks can put together and be rewarded with self sustaine and perform usable work.

And for all of these years, why haven't we seen a single running Free Energy Machine from you or the other so called leaders?.

If Peter Lindermann solved Lenz flaws back in 1981 and produced excess units of energy, why hasn't he taught US so that we can be energy independent.

Why hasn't John Bedini or Rick for that matter?

Simple answer, It's business as usual.

I am working on my Free Energy, and I will post it here for everyone to replicate. Simple, Easy, Free Energy.

Nature is Simple, Open yor eyes and heart and Mother Nature will show you the way.

All is love, light and unity.
:thumbsup:

blackchisel97
11-16-2010, 01:23 AM
OK bits,
Don't take it too personally.
:rofl:
And for all of these years, why haven't we seen a single running Free Energy Machine from you or the other so called leaders?.:whistle: Haven't we????


C'mon, you sound like a well meaning and educated person. Please don't insult people. It is ok to be skeptic. Not being able to see what's in front of you calls for an eye exam but perfecting denial despite to the contrary evidence is just ignorant and I hope you don't mean it. I don't have a lot resources to replicate what has been achieved already. I regret ordering a rotor for my device because it would pay for the Conference attendance but I don't regret any minute spent studying John Bedini, working, sharing and learning with great people on this forum. What you have said about not seeing a single free running device is discrediting years of other people work and simply not accurate.

:cheers:
Vtech

:cheers:
V

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 01:24 AM
OK bits,
Don't take it too personally.

Heck I don't even believe a word that they say. So had you been there, you could have seen it with your own eye's. To bad, so sad. You missed out.

will they provide you with self sustained excess P?. Tell me. (They is me / others, and yes we did. Sorry, you missed out.

I am a newbie and I am the voice of the 1000's If you then are the next god, then God help you!

So there's more mysteries unveiled such as the Lockridge?.IN GREAT DETAIL by Peter. Does a standing Ovation mean anything to you?????


And for all of these years, why haven't we seen a single running Free Energy Machine from you or the other so called leaders?.I have it, John has it, Peter has it and we are producing it in the form of education, but so far you are receiving an F because you are NOT LISTINING OR LEARNING!

If Peter Lindermann solved Lenz flaws back in 1981 and produced excess units of energy, why hasn't he taught US so that we can be energy independent.Actually, its Lenz Law, but your coorupt mind has to use metephors to not see the truth.

Why hasn't John Bedini or Rick for that matter?What have you done, except to come here and spew garbage????

Simple answer, It's business as usual. This is not my belief and when folks that attended this conference get back and digest what you are preaching, I fully bet, you my friend will be in the minority.

I am working on my Free Energy, All is love, light and unity.I haven't seen **** from you.
:thumbsup:

Enjoy this while you can.

Bit's

electricity
11-16-2010, 01:34 AM
C'mon, you sound like a well meaning and educated person. Please don't insult people. It is ok to be skeptic. Not being able to see what's in front of you calls for an eye exam but perfecting denial despite to the contrary evidence is just ignorant and I hope you don't mean it. I don't have a lot resources to replicate what has been achieved already. I regret ordering a rotor for my device because it would pay for the Conference attendance but I don't regret any minute spent studying John Bedini, working, sharing and learning with great people on this forum. What you have said about not seeing a single free running device is discrediting years of other people work and simply not accurate.

:cheers:
Vtech

:cheers:
V
:rofl: But of course, I drool at John's 10 coiler monopole churning out all of those P - we'll why can't I get the same result?.

So are we being teased and then provided with schematics that produces engineered low P?. That's what it seems like. I dunno. Has anyone ever gotten Free Usable P?. 2 light bulbs don't count, I mean Kw/hr output as that is what it is.

I have been looking around and I see much better solutions that are far easier to implement.

Does it really take 3 decades to perfect the SSG to a level of mass replication?. I don't buy that, not one bit.

Heck, I'm just venting for all of those wasted hr and $$ that have parted me, but hey, I did learn something. I am done with learning, I want result now, not next week nor next year.

But I know that only I can produce excessive units of E. Not you, not Lindermann, not Aaron even though that have done quite a bit with this site. But Please, release Real Useful Knowledge that We can utilize for our energy needs. No more Games, No more Selling. :cheers:

@Bits,
Please, so yo have Working Free Energy Devise, great, I'm ready to buy.
How much energy will it produce, and I don't want those little LED drivers.
Where do I buy and How much?

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 01:52 AM
@Bits,
Please, so yo have Working Free Energy Devise, great, I'm ready to buy.
How much energy will it produce, and I don't want those little LED drivers.
Where do I buy and How much?


You are truly missing a moment in history;



YouTube - MachineOfTime1's Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/MachineOfTime1)

But now I am finished with you as you do not want to learn. All you want to do is Buy (business as usual).

citfta
11-16-2010, 01:57 AM
Hi gang,

Just got back home a little while ago myself. Thanks so much to all the people involved in putting on a life changing event. I have over 50 years experience working with electricity and electronics. I am not easily fooled by gadgets. I was truly amazed by what I saw and heard at the conference. How someone who wasn't even there can make such stupid statements about the conference just shows how little they really know. My advice guys is to ignore the ignorant nay sayers and let's get to work. We now have enough info to make a real difference.

It was such a great pleasure to meet so many of the people I call my friends from this forum there. Now I can put faces with the names. Thanks again for all the hard work and great efforts it took to make this an unforgettable weekend.

Carroll

ashtweth
11-16-2010, 02:07 AM
Next sensation was Jeff Wilson's presentation of my 10 coiler running in a self-sustaining mode with additional power running two bulbs. More about this later. I announced today that we will begin selling the battery swapper as a new Renaissance product in two months. I'll put this up as preorder on the site tomorrow for $1200. Jeff said he was almost beat up over all the interest in this. We have been working with Jeff on several products lately.

Im am proud of every one, especially the people that went there, as this is a Team effort to get this technology out, its a bigger picture there, but in particular i am especially proud to say our own open source engineer kicked butt !!! He had the looper there...Never underestimate OPEN SOURCE.
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Thanks to Luther and all for helping Rick, I really wished i could of helped some how guys, next one i am gonna make sure i can at least do some thing to help there. Real proud of all for making a difference there.
Thanks to all that went there and thanks for the report Jeff.

Sincerely
Ash

ashtweth
11-16-2010, 02:19 AM
:rofl: But of course, I drool at John's 10 coiler monopole churning out all of those P - we'll why can't I get the same result?.

So are we being teased and then provided with schematics that produces engineered low P?. That's what it seems like. I dunno. Has anyone ever gotten Free Usable P?. 2 light bulbs don't count, I mean Kw/hr output as that is what it is.

I have been looking around and I see much better solutions that are far easier to implement.

Does it really take 3 decades to perfect the SSG to a level of mass replication?. I don't buy that, not one bit.

Heck, I'm just venting for all of those wasted hr and $$ that have parted me, but hey, I did learn something. I am done with learning, I want result now, not next week nor next year.

But I know that only I can produce excessive units of E. Not you, not Lindermann, not Aaron even though that have done quite a bit with this site. But Please, release Real Useful Knowledge that We can utilize for our energy needs. No more Games, No more Selling. :cheers:

@Bits,
Please, so yo have Working Free Energy Devise, great, I'm ready to buy.
How much energy will it produce, and I don't want those little LED drivers.
Where do I buy and How much?

electricity, i usually try and be diplomatic and not waste too much time to help people who cannot help themselves at a very basic level. Jeff achieved what he did progressively and through STUDY and experimentation, he wants others to pick it up and contribute, if you only want to buy some thing, subscribe to Rick's newsletter, please dont bother us here.

Thanks
Ash

Mark
11-16-2010, 02:29 AM
Hello Bits or anyone that can answere my questions:

Did Ricks lawn mower only have one battery bank? One bank to power the lawn mower while charging at the same time? If so did the battery bank increase in voltage after running it? Did he use the bipolar circuit?

Was the Watson machine demonstrated? If so can you describe what you observed.

The $1200.00 Battery swapper that is mentioned, is that the unit you designed and built Bits. If it is, does it do more then rotate which batteries are being used for input and which ones are being charged. The reason I ask is if it will have any other practicle uses other then what your doing with it. No offense intended it just seems a little pricey.

Thanks, Mark

Spokane1
11-16-2010, 03:28 AM
My take on the Bedini conference – bits and pieces for the first day:

The Saga of the Motor Kits
The idea of having a hand’s on kit was a great idea that unfortunately fell upon the hard on the rocks of reality. The first among the many annoying challenges was that not enough of the little button neo-magnets came in, so they had to issues kits less the magnets, so there was no point in assembling those kits. There was no difference between the people who had paid their fees in advance or paid at the door. Who got a kit was determined by where you were in that second line. There was no general announcement about the purpose of the kit receiving line. By the time many had learned this fact through the grape vine - the complete kits were gone. The next issue was the lack of documentation. Well? what does one expect from a Free Energy Kit? A text book? Having complete documentation would not fit the tradition of this pursuit – so full speed away anyway. In the bag there was an exploded view of the basic assemble in color, but no other instructions. A copied color circuit diagram was passed out an hour later. Now there was a CD in the set which perhaps had a lot of good information on it, but no computers, cameras, or other recording devices were allowed, so the CD was useless. There were four prewired coils in the set. There were three variations of windings. There were no notes as to which coil went where. This is where the table teamwork came into play. A gentleman at our table,(With a PhD in electronics doing electron detector design) from Bend, OR, and a lot of Bedini Motor building experience offered his best advice to determine which coil went where. The next assumed step was the insertion of the iron rods into the core of the electromagnets. Now, it took at least 11 rods to fill the small central tube, if 10 rods were inserted they would all quickly fall out. But, to get the 11th rod in required a press or a hammer. It just so happen that our man from OR had a tack hammer in his car and his wife went to fetched it. In short order we were taking turns banging on the table to jam 11 rods into the cores of these coils. At our table there were 7 kits being assembled with 4 coils for each kit. The noise became obvious. I was using my Leatherman and it was still a challenge. Then came the announcement that hammering on the table would not be allowed by the hotel management. Well, we had a hammer and the rest of those other tables didn’t, Neener, Neener, Neener! So the work migrated to the steel chair legs, which didn’t work out to bad. Eventually the hammer got passed around our neighborhood of tables. Next came the realization that the provided long rods had to go in a specific coil. Many of us had guessed the wrong coil and adjustment had to be made (more hammering). Getting the rods out was even harder that putting them in. Meanwhile the rest of the convention was to catch up with us. The first secret handshake reveled by the speaker was that the inside of the rotor – that easily snapped together in a plastic case with three weights and three magnets needed to have two small “O” rings installed prior to closing the case. These were included to better hold the shaft in place- which they did a great job of doing one they were put in place, however, opening that case back up was a *****. It required a minimum of a knife and a screw driver to accomplish the task. Obviously there were not that many screwdrivers brought along so construction efforts came to a screeching halt at other tables. But not at this table, our PhD. Electronic Instrument designer came through with a screw driver as well as the hammer. So in went the “O” rings. Next came the announcement from the podium that all three magnets had to be placed with N facing out. Great, to accomplish this one needed a compass. Somehow, someone, (or two attendees) had a compass with them. Once the rotation could be established then one magnet (or actually a magnet installed in a rotor) could be used to check the orientation of several other motors. This whole issue was resolved in about 45 minutes as a reference rotors made their rounds through the hall. It was sort of like a chain reaction with one properly constructed rotor being used to check 3 or 4 more. But this turned out to be a minor slowdown compared to what was coming next. Now the pre-wound coils were designed to snap into place, which was pretty obvious, however the magnet wire was wound through the mounting holes. I have no idea what the reason was for this – easier winding perhaps? My solution was to just press fit it over the mounting studs. Wrong guess. On one coil the pressure sheared off the wire. Now I had to make repairs. It happened on the bifilar coil, so I had no way to determine which wire needed to be reconnected to the other. By now Bedini’s staff was distributing an accessory bag, one per table; it contained a Harbor Freight $3.00 DVM (on sale), 10 jumpers, super glue, a 9V battery w/ connector, and some other useful stuff. I was able to secure one of these bags from a young woman who was handing them out. With the DVM I was able to make the repairs. But the correct solution was far from obvious. Since I was ahead of everyone else and my table mates didn’t want to follow in my footsteps so construction slowed down a bit until a “fix’ could be extracted from the mass consciences of the other tables. One of our table members unwound one of his coils so that that he could remove the wire that went through the mounting hole. This was one solution, but time consuming since he had to rewind about 100’ feet #23 AWG. There were four coils that needed this treatment. I didn’t pay attention to what ever directions were finally announced from the podium. Apparently there was some trick to get the wire out of the hole and secure the magnet wire with small nylon ties provided, however one coil was bigger than the wire tie could handle. So the PhD’s wife went to the front desk and secured some Scotch Tape. Now we were ready to deal with the 20 or so electrinc components. 12 white LED’s, 3 transistors, 7 resistors, 8 diodes, 3 each NE-2 lamps, one grain of wheat lamp, a DPDT mini-toggle switch and some small cut sections of a copper coated circuit board. Now the real Viper bit. A soldering iron was needed. The grand plan of the convention organizers was to have a table where experienced volunteers with a few soldering irons would assemble one kit per table. What a train wreck. They ended up with only 2 working solder stations and one of those was using a 250 watt Weller (which will kill TO-92 case 2N222 transistors unless you are very good and have a steady hand). The intent was to solder the components onto the little strips of copper coated board, which, if you had the time would be workable, but very slow. The volunteers quickly resorted to wiring the networks in a free style web of components – which would make even an experience modern artist proud. Even this was taking a long time and mistakes were probably being made given the intense demand and limited resources. I noticed that at least two solder stations had already failed and were piled up on an adjoining table. The announced plan was to leave your bag of components on the table with your name on it and then check to see when they were soldered together. Right, not too many people were going to let their kit out of sight. So, they stood there while the work was being done. Of course conversation soon ensued and this slowed down production. They had one 3’ x 8’ banquette table with two people soldering and about 25 people crowded around it. By this time I had given up on making the kit. Without a solder iron the game was pretty well over. Then come to find out that the schematic that was handed out near the start of the project had a different pin-out for the transistors than what was showing, So those few who did have their components soldered were experiencing failures as their transistor blew out upon the application of power.

By the end of the day I only saw one operating kit out of some 350 kits issued. It was still a great exercise and certainly got people to work together and come up with creative solutions but the challenges were just too great. By 4:00pm the kits were being re-bagged up and set on the floor while people engaged in conversation that was more productive than building incomplete kits without proper tools and documentation. If there is a follow up convention with a hands on session (which I would certainly attend) I’m sure several procedural improvements will be made. This certainly isn’t your typical convention.

Spokane I

Spokane1
11-16-2010, 03:42 AM
The Attendance:
I was amazed at the number of people that showed up and how far away they came to visit this obscure part of the country. I thought that if 50 or so people showed up it would be a huge success. Now the total number of attendees wasn’t mentioned, but there were 40 table with 8 chairs each (=320) and an additional 50 people sitting in overflow chairs in the back. There were also several additional people milling around. So there could have been as many as 400+ interested attendees including John’s staff. They ran out of motor kits and had to assemble several more on Sunday morning to meet the demand. It was rumored that there were a huge number of “pay at the door” late arrivals that caused the slow down. The convention filled up three of the CDA meeting rooms at this 4-star hotel.

The first researcher I met on my way in from the parking lot was a gentleman from New Hampshire. He figured that the value of the motor kit we got (for sale on the Internet for $210) was worth the cost of entrance, plus we got two boxed lunches (which were pretty good). So he was pretty happy with the price. Once inside I met people from, Spain, Holland, Costa Rica, Australia, and Canada. I know there were also people from France, Great Britain, and Japan - not to mention several other countries. One gentleman in line said, ”This is supposed to be the conference of the decade”. Somebody must have really be talking this event up.

I got there about 7:30 from Spokane and there was already 56 people (I counted them) standing outside the meeting rooms. At about 7:45 am Bedini’s staff started handing out registration sheets that repeated the requirements of no cameras, PC’s, VCR’s, or other electronic recording equipment. There was also the waiver of liability for exposure to high voltage and the use of tools. It was only a one sided form so it was not very detailed. I suppose the hotel had a lot to say about how the liability issues were to be addressed.

By 8:05 the hallway was packed with more people than I could count. It was a challenge to get to the restroom. This was defiantly becoming a blocking hazard.

Bedini’s staff was really caught off guard with the sheer volume of people that showed up. They had anticipated opening the doors at 8:00 am and finish the registration by 8:15 (ha, ha). They opened the doors at 8:25 with only about 20% of the registration completed. The people who were paying at the door really slowed things down. No matter, people were having a gay old time in the hall. It was interesting, you could go up to anybody and strike up a conversation and in a few minutes there would be these clusters of 3-5 people talking about some area of research that was interest to them all. If the topic at hand was of little interest you could walk a few feet and join another group that was discussing what you wanted to learn about.

Introductions and first Speakers:
When the doors were opened a flood of people entered the plush convention rooms where there was a video going on about peak oil on two screens. It might have been a good flick but it ended about 5 minutes after we got settled. A younger well spoken man named Rick (an employee of John’s) was the lieutenant who was running the show. After the formal introductions and acknowledgements were made a man named Gordy (a retired Fireman) was the first speaker. He was a local fabricator of electric cars. There was nothing OU in his talk but a lot of interesting slides and discussion about the engineering, performance, & cost realities of electric cars. Did you know it takes 17 lbs of lead from a battery to go 1 mile? I didn’t. Some of the photos of conversions he had done showed would make me think again if I ever considered an electric vehicle that could operate for more than 40 miles. The amount of space taken up by lead-acid batteries becomes immense. They had on display up front an electric motorcycle, bicycle, lawn mower and a converted small 4 door car. Gordy’s hope for this technology was its claimed ability to rejuvenate wet-cell batteries. Using the present classical battery charging methods –even with good care - the huge investment in car batteries starts to fade away after three or so years (sooner if design capacities are exceeded). Gordy’s desire was to see the Bedini technology extend the life of the batteries used in electric vehicles by 2X or greater- thus reducing the overall cost of electric vehicles. I guess we shall see, it will take years before that beta test market results come in.

Next on the agenda came the machinist (tool maker) who made all the injection molds to fabricate the pulse motor kits. His work was good and the quality right up there. However he, also, didn’t have a clue about how the technology really worked. Never the less he was fired up about the potential of what might be discovered.

After that came a younger crew cut man (in his 30’s?) named “Bits” who also worked for John. His contribution was adding a digital control system to some of the Battery Charger models to enhance their operation. With all the modes of operation and various applications involved in the Bedini product it was just a matter of time before an on-board micro-controller would be needed. Mr. Bits special interest was his digital method to switch weaker batteries in and out of a bank of batteries. These would be charged individually then switched back into the array. This was all done with a PIX18 micro-controller. This was all pretty much classical digital engineering stuff. Again Bits didn’t have a clue as to how the charger that he was controlling actually worked. However this idea of selecting weak batteries to be topped off is important in large battery arrays where weak batteries can be destroyed by the others if they fall too far out of line. I think they were mentioning something about applications for larger photovoltaic systems.

A Motor Kit in hand is worth how many that will be shipped later????
I wasn’t paying too much attention by this time. There was another long line forming along the south wall in the hall. It was rumored that you had to get in that line to receive your kit (before they ran out). So I quickly wandered up there and took my chances to receive a complete my motor kit (I was lucky). Apparently PayPal had dropped the ball by failing to include all the paying attendees on the printed out master list. People who had already paid in full had to plead their case without the benefit of their electronic documents to get their bag of parts because they were forbidden to bring their laptops into the conference room. It didn’t take many problems like this to slow down distribution. There was only one man who could check you off the master list – so people had to wait. It took me about 45 minutes to get a kit – but there was lot of iced diet Coke on that side of the room to drink. In fact diet Coke didn’t move well with this crowd at all and there were several cans left over at the evenings close. (Hot water for tea was another matter- it was gone in the first few hours) For the next hour I attempted to put this collection of components together with no instructions. It was deceivingly simple – like most Free Energy puzzles.

Part I went Here


Lunch Break:
Around 1:15 pm a lunch break was called and many of us picked up a black cardboard box lunch that were stacked up on tables outside the meeting rooms. Both meat and vegetarian selections were offered. On the menu for Saturday was a Chicken wrap sandwich with corn chips, a large oatmeal -chocolate chip cookie, an apple, celery and carrot sticks with ranch dressing.


People scattered in all directions. The local hotel coffee shop (Called Dockside) was packed with attendees filling up booths without buying drinks. This was because where people were told to go. The next day the hotel informed Rick that such a migration was not their desire and they made available another empty meeting room with tables to handle the lunch crowd.

I was fortunate to get a seat near the fire place. Here I had the good fortune to talk to an alternative high school physics teacher (who later spoke at the convention) and a researcher who had investigated the E.V.Gray Technology more deeply than most. He had talked to Richard Hackenberger’s brother and Dorothy McCllephs (E.V. Gray’s last secretary) in 1991. He also claimed to have in his possession the original EMA4-E1 battery operated mini-model that he acquired from Dorothy for $100. Some people have all the luck.

After about 1-1/2 hour people started wandering back into the meeting rooms and those that could continue working on their models. Most everyone else spent time in table conversation. People were milling around forming small discussing groups in the corridors and hallways.

Several people were attempting to view all the motors and battery chargers that were displayed at the front of the room. Peter Lindemann and his wife Jackie had a couple of tables set up for their business Clear-Tech. They were selling books, CD’s and other Free energy items. I didn’t get that close. It looks like they were doing a pretty good business and besides I already have most everything Peter has published. Then again Christmas is coming and I could have loaded up on gifts for the family? Darn such good opportunities pass right before our eyes.

The Master Speaks:
I’m not sure what time is was but John Bedini came to the microphone and started to talk in his unstructured non-technical fireside type of delivery. The medium rumble of multiple conversations came to a sudden halt as the small informal groups quickly broke up and people recovered their chairs. A very noticeable silence descended upon the crowd. He wandered from subject to subject, from the past to the present and back to the past again. He emphasized his association to Tom Bearden, Peter Lindeman, His brother Gary, his wife, and many others whom I didn’t know. Apparently it was Tom Bearden’s 80th birthday and he was circulating a large card (about 20” x 16” folded) that he invited people to sign. The card didn’t get to our table till the next day. John reviewed his history and his personal journey in this field along with his connections to his associates. It was a profound discussion. Towards the end he talked about what he was going to reveal tomorrow. I would guess John talked at least an hour. It was about 5:30pm when he finished. That was the end of the formal daily agenda, but I would say at least 80% of the attendees stayed on till 7:00 when they had to boot everyone out and close the doors. So I loaded up my kit and prepared to leave.

Rising form the Ashes:
At my table there were two men from different cities in Australia. The older one was an HVAC technician. I could tell this trip was going to be a serious drain on their financial resources. But they were in definite earnest in exploring this new technology. The younger man (late 20’s) was really obsessed in getting his motor to work. Since I was local I asked if there was anything I could bring back tomorrow to help in his construction quest. Of course a soldering iron would be nice, but he also needed a pair of needle nose pliers and a second 9 volt battery. I happen to be well stocked with such things and upon arriving back at home I organized all the tools he needed plus a bunch of other components that he might need. Even a 10 turn 1 K potentiometer for the base resistor.

Spokane1

Turion
11-16-2010, 04:33 AM
I too was at this conference. I too had problems with my motor, even though I had my volt meter, my soldering iron, and tons of other things with me. ( Boy Scout, don't you know, always prepared) Did not get my motor running, but I will. Am I disappointed? I would not have traded this experience for anything. Period. I learned three NEW things in my failed attempt to construct this motor that will serve me well for the rest of my life. Everything did NOT go perfect. But the people I met, the things that I learned will be invaluable as I continue on the free energy path.

In response to electricity, let me tell you this. I too, am a newbie to this with very little experience in electronics. But I listen. I work hard. I bust my butt to do what people who have gone before recommend. Have I seen an over unity device? You damn betcha! Can I build one right now based on what I know? Hide and watch.

I would suggest that if you want to see one for yourself, follow the forums on the Watson Machine for the next few months. I would also follow along on the Kromrey converter site if I were you. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. But you are going to have to read about those two devices and understand what is already out there. Nobody is going to be given step by step instructions, I don't think. I will be happy to share photos and information about what I have built, especially if I get them running and they work.

We were not spoon fed step by step detailed instructions on how to build ANY devices, but I believe we WERE given enough information, along with what has already been released, to build an over unity device.

The Kromrey John Bedini showed in the videos may NOT have been an over unity device AS SHOWN, but now we know what to look for and what has to be there to make it one. The Watson device in the free energy generation book may not have been an over unity device AS SHOWN, but we know what is needed to make it one.

I believe this to be true, and I have built BOTH of these devices. I will be making the changes that I need to make, and if mine works, I will be happy to share.

That is what this needs to be about, the sharing of what we DO know, not the whining about what we DON'T.

Matt Jones and I spent some time talking about the purpose of these forums, and that we need to put together a real think tank type situation and just flat get rid of the people who want to ***** and whine. I have been one of them from time to time when I get frustrated, but no more. This is too important to let a few people ruin it for the rest of us.

Bits, From the bottom of my heart I thank you, Peter, John and everyone else who was there and who did such an amazing job. I know I will be hanging on your every word from now on. John may be the MAN, but so are YOU as far as I am concerned, because you are HERE and sharing with us. Was the conference perfect? Nope! But you should see the first monopole I built from scratch. It is almost unrecognizable as a monopole. This conference was a first attempt, and I'm sure lots of lessons were learned.

The knowledge I gained, the friends I made, the contacts I have now, they were all worth every penny I spent on this conference. Every penny. Every one. All of them. If they had another one tomorrow , would I be there? Well, probably not tomorrow, but next month for sure!

And Matt, thanks for everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
Duncan, I'm glad you're not always around. I doubt if I could spend all night EVERY night talking about motors and circuits and possibilities for the future! But this was an experience I will NEVER forget. You people are awsome!

blackchisel97
11-16-2010, 04:43 AM
Again Bits didn’t have a clue as to how the charger that he was controlling actually worked
Spokane1

This part I found hilarious. Especially, knowing this young gentleman.

:cheers:
V

kippered
11-16-2010, 05:34 AM
Well I just got back from a very long drive, had no real intentions to put together the long post I had planned but most of what I have too offer has been mentioned by the inspirational posts before me!

I had a fantastic time and found it to be worth every penny since it gave me all the answers I was looking for , great personal connections AND I have a kit to play with and understand Bedini’s work better :)

Some things to touch on from my point of view:

Bedini System
- Great use as an online battery maintenance tool in addition to another power source input to the system
- Great for remote communities that are dependant on a battery system to provide power and cannot afford battery replacement
- At this point the Bedini system is best used as a research tool people such as Bit’s are taking it to the next level but the user has to fully understand the technology and how to apply it. There is no free ride here and it is going to take effort to understand and develop the idea further.
- Challenge in tuning individual machines makes most people give up... It requires allot of careful machine design and impedance matching. Basically you need to have a firm grasp and patience or you will likely have big trouble trying to get your machine to work
- Another challenge is that people such as myself do not have the room or desire to have a bank of batteries in their house. To bring this to a global scale a better use of the energy will need to be devised.

To my surprise many people were looking to just buy a 10 coiler and start generating free energy on a level to power their house! The technology is just not there yet but once people like yourself have built a basic Bedini EXACTLY as you are told and see the effects of Radiant energy and understand how and why it works then you move forward with a different idea on how to make it work. I am at step one and hope to begin observations this week.

Renaissance chargers
- There is enough info on them out there so nothing to add except that they seem to be a great product and I hope they can figure out Lithium so I can buy a rejuvenator for my 36V Lion BIONX bike system.
- If your passionate about saving batteries from going to the landfill, GET ONE

Jeane Manning
- A social change and vision is needed for our world to bring forth our technology. It was unfortunate that people could only think to plug their websites rather that enjoy a joint vision of a sustainable future.

Peter Lindemann
- Fantastic presentation about electric motor secrets pt2 and as an Industrial electrician I found the idea’s very workable from an experimental standpoint. I have some Idea’s I have to work out in other veins of interest but I look forward to having a crack at a lockridge style motor... First I need to watch the DVD and read the whole electric motor secrets thread which I am not sure when will happen! And thanks Peter for the though out answers to my questions.

I have tons more in my notes but I am going to prepare those to share with a community locally that I just connected with because of this event, and that alone was worth the journey!

The main thing I took away from the weekend was to get experimenting!!!! I put together my monopole tonight and plan to finish up the soldering tomorrow and start observing and then its going to be playing with my own idea’s that have formed out of discussions I had at the conference... I will be sure to start a thread with anything that I find has value to share

I would have liked to meet more people from the board here personally but I had to run each day to spend time with my wife who made the trip with me. Those who I did meet thanks for the discussion and @ all lets get these idea’s out there!!!!

Turion
11-16-2010, 05:59 AM
Perhaps I misunderstood, but the device Bits showed us was a digital Tesla Switch, was it not??? Something that people have been trying for YEARS to create and Bits and his team were FINALLY able to do it, based on their work here on the energetic forum on the Tesla Switch thread which I have been following. If the guy who designed and built it doesn't understand it, I'm in a heap of trouble, but for some strange reason I kinda think that Bits might just possibly know know a little bit about how it works.

electricity
11-16-2010, 06:00 AM
@Bits,



@Bits
Do you understand what it is that you are talking about?:rofl:

You rant about Free Energy, yet elect to uphold the Lenz Flaw that governs induction of which is used to derive the equation of energy conservation?.

Lenz states that an induced current is always in such a direction as to oppose the motion or change causing it. To produce Free E is to overcome or make ineffective Lenz law, and what is a law that does not govern true? That we call Flaw.:rofl:

Look, I wish not to argue with you, I am simply asking for proof of your claimed Free Energy. Provide a Real Working Free Energy devise that we can replicate. You guys have been telling the same tale since the 1980s, isn't it time we see REAL FREE ENERGY DEVICES in action?.

@ashtweth
Did I ever ask you of clarification of electrical?. :whistle:
Do you even understand magnetism?. You are the only one bragging about Kits like Orbo. I do not buy, I MAKE. I bought a $100 kit from Bedini to see the PCB. That kit is way over priced, pardon me. I can source the parts from Taobao for $10, shipping included.

LOOK, we are tired of the same story. Peter has been telling about these fantastic devises for years, is there ONE actual replication?.

SIMPLE, provide replicable proof.

Aaron
11-16-2010, 06:02 AM
On John's Ferris Wheel machine, I felt like soliciting 5 tickets for a
ride and was wondering when someone was going to deliver the chairs :)
Anyone that doesn't see a need for these kind of circuits should just
buy stock in their local electric company and make them happy.

I saw it run at John's shop with a 1 inch clearance from the ceiling and kind
of got the general concept of how it runs. At the show, as I was standing
next to him listening to his explanation to a bunch of people that unlike me,
they actually have a lot of ee training and can speak the language.

With the steel plates behind the coils and magnets to lock in or keep the
magnetic field compressed sort of, I think it is like a mechanical version of
the MEG... IF that is essentially what it is.

John called it the re-gauging motor. That term is used from what I can see
to describe the coils or magnets that get their field compressed then then
they spring back out.

But that seems to be the most popular use of the concept of re-gauging.
However, from what I read in my limited understanding of "quantum
electrodynamics" for example, anything that can at any point reestablish
a new potential difference is re-gauging. Therefore, the SG, a bouncing ball,
rotary attraction motors, etc... that are able to "reset" themselves and
establish a new potential difference to me is literally re-gauging literally.
There is work done and the system is able to
"compress" and "re-spring" itself back out and that can happen over and
over, usually with a bit of loss but not required to lose anything but usually
will from a practical standpoint.

In any case, if it is idling with virtually no current at a few rpm (12 foot
diameter and around 250 pounds rotor), how much would it normally take
to move 250 pounds in a circle with a conventional circuit? I don't know
the answer to that but I can guarantee it will take a good number of
amps times 36 volts.

And with the 250 pound wheel moving in one direction on a startup and
instantly jerking in the opposite direction, how much power does it take
to basically instantly stop a 250 pound wheel and then get it to move in
the opposite direction - again, basically after stopping on a dime.

Anyway, I'd like to do something like this but much smaller and with a
very good weighted flywheel - I don't think the diameter is necessary
at the moment until I think it through more, which might change my mind
or not.

I'm glad John said the Barium magnets aren't necessary and those were for
a certain experiment. And even more interesting that they have a memory
effect.

My wheels are definitely turning and I'm excited to see some replication
attempts based on the understanding of what was explained and witnessed.

electricity
11-16-2010, 08:24 AM
Rising form the Ashes:
At my table there were two men from different cities in Australia. The older one was an HVAC technician. I could tell this trip was going to be a serious drain on their financial resources. But they were in definite earnest in exploring this new technology. The younger man (late 20’s) was really obsessed in getting his motor to work. Since I was local I asked if there was anything I could bring back tomorrow to help in his construction quest. Of course a soldering iron would be nice, but he also needed a pair of needle nose pliers and a second 9 volt battery. I happen to be well stocked with such things and upon arriving back at home I organized all the tools he needed plus a bunch of other components that he might need. Even a 10 turn 1 K potentiometer for the base resistor.

Spokane1
Please do continue, This we must READ.

Thank you very much for your Report. :cheers:

aussieaussieaussie
11-16-2010, 08:42 AM
Hey Guys,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I am not a total noob, I have dabbled with bedini fans etc.
Just couldn't justify the cost of bigger kits when, solar panels are so cheap, when compared to them.
I do have a project that does require 2-5kw where solar is not an option - so I keep an eye on these forums just in case we get a real ou replication that proves it is worth the investment.

My question is for Bits:

Firstly, great job!

What is the largest load in watts that u have been able to draw off the charging batts and still maintain continuous running? aka what is your machine currently rated for in its current configuration?

What sort of watts do u expect to get after you have rewound all those coils with the improved coils with inner coils???


Very nice build and good luck with the optimization!:thumbsup:

Many Thanks,
ozy

Aaron
11-16-2010, 09:10 AM
Electricity - the posts have been moved here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6744-electricitys-watson-machine.html

Continue there - not here

electricity
11-16-2010, 09:12 AM
Hey Guys:


Very nice build and good luck with the optimization!:thumbsup:

Many Thanks,
ozy

Bits already answered your Question earlier in case you might have missed it, it's 2 light bulbs. 10 coil monopole=2 light bulbs in self sustain mode. They also have the 30 coilers for 6 light bulb output. They had this machine on display at the conference, outstanding achievement after hundreds of kits sold. 2 light bulbs mate :suprise:

The also mentioned a 20' monster SSG, I suppose it may have 100 coils, so thats 100 light bulbs, make sure you have the space.

Price is about $5k for 10 coil, $10k for 30 coilres. Coincidently, I had called them in person asking the same Question, Rick told me that for $5k, I can have my very own Monopole for experimenting, as for usable output, not included. You're own your own to tinker with it. :rofl:

Geesh, I installed 3000 watts solar PV instead for much less with real energy obtained Freely after the initial cost.

Good Luck.

aussieaussieaussie
11-16-2010, 09:25 AM
Bits already answered your Question earlier in case you might have missed it, it's 2 light bulbs. 10 coil monopole=2 light bulbs in self sustain mode. They also have the 30 coilers for 6 light bulb output. They had this machine on display at the conference, outstanding achievement after hundreds of kits sold. 2 light bulbs mate :suprise:

The also mentioned a 20' monster SSG, I suppose it may have 100 coils, so thats 100 light bulbs, make sure you have the space.

Good Luck.


No offence Electricity but if I wanted an answer from someone who is only guessing... I would of posted somewhere else on the net.

The reason I posted here, is because for the first time in Free Energy History we may actual have someone with an OU device that is willing to share or at least take proper tests by putting a load on it!

And he is right here on this forum, for us to pick his brain...

I suggest Electricity if you do not want to pick his and his friends brains,
and are far superior then them, then why are you here? It doesn't look like your here to enlighten us...:wall:

Still awaiting your reply from Bits or friends....:) :)

ozy

electricity
11-16-2010, 09:29 AM
Sorry mate,
meant no offense, but that was the answer I got from Rick.

I was very excited @ first and was ready to make the jump, ask around, there's a number of guys here with 10 coil monopole.

They'll tell you the actual power output.:whistle:

All I can say is Good Luck.

I'm outta here, just wanted to troll and read up on the conference.

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 02:20 PM
The Attendance:

After that came a younger crew cut man (in his 30’s?) named “Bits” who also worked for John.

Again Bits didn’t have a clue as to how the charger that he was controlling actually worked. Spokane1

Well, acyually I am 52 years old so I must be holding my age pretty good or your ability to make comman sense out of things are scewed.

And if I didn't have a clue about the device I was controlling, perhaps I should endeavor to change your preception. I DESIGNED IT, BUILT IT, AND DEMOSTRATED IT.

Where do you creatures come from?

@electricty, I enjoy your "Ostrich like view" of free energy.

Bit's

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 02:33 PM
Hey Guys,

Long time reader, first time poster.

I am not a total noob, I have dabbled with bedini fans etc.
Just couldn't justify the cost of bigger kits when, solar panels are so cheap, when compared to them.
I do have a project that does require 2-5kw where solar is not an option - so I keep an eye on these forums just in case we get a real ou replication that proves it is worth the investment.

My question is for Bits:

Firstly, great job!

What is the largest load in watts that u have been able to draw off the charging batts and still maintain continuous running? aka what is your machine currently rated for in its current configuration?

What sort of watts do u expect to get after you have rewound all those coils with the improved coils with inner coils???


Very nice build and good luck with the optimization!:thumbsup:

Many Thanks,
ozy

Ozy, thanks.

Let me again clairify the "Load" being applied on the back end of the 10 coiler while at the show. It was NOT to demonstrate that it could be done, but it was necessary to keep the batteries under charge from blowing up at the conference (that would be a bad deal).The function of the 10 coiler, as I demonstrated it, is to charge a bank of batts, the the total ampacity of this battery bank is how much energy you are able to use. The 10 coiler, 30 coiler, etc., RECHARGES this bank, over and over again. Devices that feed off of this bank of batts are inverters or grid tie's.

Hope this helps,

Bit's

Matthew Jones
11-16-2010, 03:06 PM
I am glad this thread for the most part should be over. I really want the cowardly to start posting all there knowledge in the the new threads to come.

I am pretty sure its time to clean house and get back to work...

Matt

aussieaussieaussie
11-16-2010, 03:46 PM
Thanks for your quick reply Bits,

I understand what you have said and fully realize this is a work in progress....
but.

My question was have you tested the load capacity?
As in what is the largest amount of watts you have taken out of the largest batteries (3 x 12v?) you have had with the machine still raising the voltage in those batts.

Are you also saying with a huge huge batt bank and a ten coiler you could extract 5kw of work 24/7??? That doesn't sound right....:confused:

Clearing this up would be greatly appreciated... and I fully understand if you just haven't done the test yet....

Many Thanks,

Ozy

electricity
11-16-2010, 03:56 PM
Ozy, thanks.

Let me again clairify the "Load" being applied on the back end of the 10 coiler while at the show. It was NOT to demonstrate that it could be done, but it was necessary to keep the batteries under charge from blowing up at the conference (that would be a bad deal).The function of the 10 coiler, as I demonstrated it, is to charge a bank of batts, the the total ampacity of this battery bank is how much energy you are able to use. The 10 coiler, 30 coiler, etc., RECHARGES this bank, over and over again. Devices that feed off of this bank of batts are inverters or grid tie's.

Hope this helps,

Bit's
would you please cut beating around the bush and provide a simple answer?.

There are many that would buy a 10 or 30 coiler if you provide Real data, charging rate in kw/hr, battery capacity etc.

This is the problem with you Free Energy leaders, you still hide behind the experimental kits. Even for $5 thousand, I would expect a properly documented fully assembled machine tuned for optimum performance.

But then for experimenting, we all can build battery swappers, heck you can even do it with a Tesla coil.

Be real, simple answer. :wall:

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 04:14 PM
Thanks for your quick reply Bits,

I understand what you have said and fully realize this is a work in progress....
but.

My question was have you tested the load capacity?
As in what is the largest amount of watts you have taken out of the largest batteries (3 x 12v?) you have had with the machine still raising the voltage in those batts.

Are you also saying with a huge huge batt bank and a ten coiler you could extract 5kw of work 24/7??? That doesn't sound right....:confused:

Clearing this up would be greatly appreciated... and I fully understand if you just haven't done the test yet....

Many Thanks,

Ozy

Ozy, we may have to take this to the 10 coiler thread to continue to discuss, but here is another way to look at gaining answers to your questions. Forget the 10 coiler at the moment, and let's analyze your question, "My question was have you tested the load capacity?" Load capacity is a function of your "battery bank". If you are asking if I have "Loaded the 10 coiler down in a conventional fuction, such as a generator" That is not what it is designed for. The 10 coiler is a "Radiant Battery Charger" and my demo at the show was to illustrate that with other devices "The battery swapper" (which tends to the DRIVE batts) and the 2 Cap Pulser (the mechinsam to pull some of the "Radiant energy" from the 10 coiler's output) to provide the charging to these drives batts to keep it running indefinitly, then your battery banks
configured for your "load" could always be "Radiantly Charged".

Hope this helps.
If you want to discuss in further, please post in the 10 coiler thread.

Thanks

Bit's

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 04:19 PM
would you please cut beating around the bush and provide a simple answer?.

There are many that would buy a 10 or 30 coiler if you provide Real data, charging rate in kw/hr, battery capacity etc.

This is the problem with you Free Energy leaders, you still hide behind the experimental kits. Even for $5 thousand, I would expect a properly documented fully assembled machine tuned for optimum performance.

But then for experimenting, we all can build battery swappers, heck you can even do it with a Tesla coil.

Be real, simple answer. :wall:

Simple answer is that you do not understand. I am trying to teach you, but you are not listening, you are disrupting my class, so please move on.

Thanks.

electricity
11-16-2010, 04:38 PM
moved to 10 coil

Michael John Nunnerley
11-16-2010, 04:41 PM
Hi All

I have just arrived back and wished to thank ALL at the conference, it was a great time that I had and all were real gentlemen and I came away with many new friends and possible future combined experimenters in free energy.

Many thanks to Aaron and Peter and John etc whom made my stay something to remember. Many thanks to those whom listened to me for one and a half hours, I think they learned something and has pushed them to look in the right direction for cheap and cleaner energy.

Sometime in the new year this will possibly be very much expanded on in what Aaron has said about another conference, but with a different theme. I will also be looking into for a much later date in the year, a European conference which will make it much more affordable for us europeans!!!!!!!! many at the conference seemed very interested in this.

Again many thanks to ALL, now going to sleep, I have jet lag after 44hrs and 6 planes in 5 days:rofl:

Mike

everyidea
11-16-2010, 05:09 PM
At the start of Bedini's lecture on Sunday, a friend got up and talked about the other benefits of the SG motors. These benefits where increased plant growth around the machines and easing of aches and pains in joints.

These comments set off a trigger in my head. I knew exactly what was creating these side effects.

After the lecture we where all invited to examine the large Ferris wheel motor. At this time I was standing next to John and one of his local friends. John's friend mentioned that when she stands next to Johns machines her knee pains are soothed. I mentioned that I believe this is due to negative ion pulse leakage when the coil spikes. Bendini swung his head in my direction and confirmed that my comment was correct.

If there is leakage, then can there be capture?

If we look at the teachings of Ed Leedskalnin, the perfect electromagnet is a core wrapped with a coil that is jacketed with the core material. End caps are placed on the jacket that are in contact with the core, but not the coil. The coil wires are routed through holes in the jacket. This configuration does a unique thing, it reverses the poles of the core/coil on the outside of the jacket. This configuration puts to work every moving magnet in the coil.

In theory, If this type of configuration was used to capture the negative ion spikes then most, if not all of the spikes could be captured.

One could run a test of this theory by bending R60 rods into C shapes and placing one arm in the core, one over the top or bottom of the coil and the remainder on the side of the coil. One could alternate the C's around the core in order to make a cage surrounding the coil. By doing this, it may be possible to capture a great deal more of the ion spike and do more work.

rw

BTW: Thank you Bits for the correction.

Aaron
11-16-2010, 05:13 PM
Was incredible to spend time with you Mike! Enjoy the zzzzzzzzz's - sure
was a long trip for you!

@all, at the end of the conference, Mike gave a talk to about 30 people
back behind the fireplace in the lobby. It was very informative and gave
a new direction for people to move towards in regards to water fuel
methods.

The concept is here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o.html

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-16-2010, 05:14 PM
At the start of Bedini's lecture on Sunday, his wife got up and talked about the other benefits of the SG motors.

At this time I was standing next to John, and I believe his daughter.
rw

These both where friends of John (His wife was there at the conference, but did not speak)

Jeff

kippered
11-16-2010, 05:56 PM
I also found it interesting that John alluded to more than one Watson Generator still in existance and running 'underground' and also that the man is still at large...

Spokane1
11-16-2010, 05:57 PM
Well, acyually I am 52 years old so I must be holding my age pretty good or your ability to make comman sense out of things are scewed.

And if I didn't have a clue about the device I was controlling, perhaps I should endeavor to change your preception. I DESIGNED IT, BUILT IT, AND DEMOSTRATED IT.

Where do you creatures come from?

@electricty, I enjoy your "Ostrich like view" of free energy.

Bit's

Dear Bits,

I stand corrected. Also my ability to make common sense out of things has been impaired on many more occations than I care to share.

However, in your fine technical presentation on the methods you employed to control several functions of the Bedini topologies - I didn't here one word on the fundamental process that is at the heart of this proposed non-classical process.

I have no doubt that you may have extensive propritary knowlege of the inner workings of these circuits. But, I didn't hear any of it in your lecture. Nor did my engineering associates who were also in attendance.

Never the less, your presentation (for the subject material covered) was well constructed and delivered with gusto.

Spokane1

SilverToGold
11-16-2010, 06:07 PM
Wish I could have made it out there.

I just hope that Rick, John & Peter make available some dvd's and materials for those of us who missed it.

I'll be first in line to buy them!

Aaron
11-16-2010, 07:09 PM
SilverToGold,

Peter's talk will be on dvd. You can order/contact him through
Free Energy | Dr. Peter Lindemann's Website (http://www.free-energy.ws) - may be a couple weeks before it is put on dvd
but you can definitely pre-order it now.

Tony Craddock was filming all the Bedini presentations so it will probably
come out as part of the Energy from the Vacuum Series - just a guess.
I'm not sure if he filmed the other presentations.

SilverToGold
11-16-2010, 07:54 PM
SilverToGold,

Peter's talk will be on dvd. You can order/contact him through
Free Energy | Dr. Peter Lindemann's Website (http://www.free-energy.ws) - may be a couple weeks before it is put on dvd
but you can definitely pre-order it now.

Tony Craddock was filming all the Bedini presentations so it will probably
come out as part of the Energy from the Vacuum Series - just a guess.
I'm not sure if he filmed the other presentations.
Thanks Aaron, good to hear and I will check out Peter's site and keep my eye's open for Tony's Bedini video release!

Mark
11-16-2010, 08:27 PM
Hi Folks,

Just to add to the news, Bits is right. I spent Saturday afternoon with John and Rick as the "Big Surprise" was being assembled for the first time. All I can say is this.

If you have ever wished that you were at the 1984 Tesla Convention when Jim Watson showed his big machine, based on John's Free Energy Generator book,.......

then just come to this Conference, and wish no more!

Peter

I'll ask again was the Watson Machine shown or not. If not than what was one to think from Peters post?

kippered
11-16-2010, 08:47 PM
I'll ask again was the Watson Machine shown or not. If not than what was one to think from Peters post?

It was definetly not THE watson device...

Mark
11-16-2010, 08:57 PM
Hi Folks,

Just to add to the news, Bits is right. I spent Saturday afternoon with John and Rick as the "Big Surprise" was being assembled for the first time. All I can say is this.

If you have ever wished that you were at the 1984 Tesla Convention when Jim Watson showed his big machine, based on John's Free Energy Generator book,.......

then just come to this Conference, and wish no more!

Peter



Well I consider this statement to be very misleading then!!! :mad:

kippered
11-16-2010, 09:18 PM
Well I consider this statement to be very misleading then!!! :mad:

Anyone who was there was not dissapointed with what they saw, so why are you?

I think THE Watson device is in the ownership of Watson.

everyidea
11-16-2010, 09:24 PM
@Mark No, it was not a reproduction of Watson device. But I believe it used one of Watson's idea's of asymmetric design for the generator coils and magnet alignment. It also used "pie" shaped magnets for these coils. He refered to Ed Leedskalnin and his alternating pole motor that is still there at the castle. I believe this is calling attention to Ed's magnet position of two north poles making a single north pole that is 4 times stronger. It used three bottom coils for drive. These coils where massive, the center one was about 18" high and about 12" round. The two on the side of it where about 9" high and the same diameter. It ran itself all day long off of a controlled battery bank. It was very impressive, but I wish I had received more explanation of the capabilities of it.

Bill H
11-16-2010, 09:39 PM
My first post here. I thought why not answer the big question :).
What is Electricity?
This is a question that is asked quite often and apparently hard to answer. After reading through alot of the posts the last couple of days I have come up with an undisputable answer.
"Electricity" is an Entity that we could do without.
Bill H.

Matthew Jones
11-16-2010, 10:13 PM
Well I consider this statement to be very misleading then!!! :mad:

The device shown was along the same lines as the Watson device yet brought up to date with the latest tech to improve the energizer system.
It had no inductive motor as the Watson device did. Instead it had self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. It ran from the power produced by programmable Barium Ferrite magnets and opposing coils. These magnets alternated poles when briefly pulsed with a magnetic field. The starter motor ran all day in front of us and produced 42 ft lbs of torque. The torque produced was used to push the outer wheel away from cogging the coils produced, that were on the bottom. Similar to an SSG setup.
When the Monopole style setup (For lack of a better description) was started it immediately took 36 volt bank up to 42 volt and cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. I could hear the batteries from my position in immediately front of them. I missed any reference the total output, because of the crowd that wanted to witness, but I am sure it was a big number.
The numbers were from what was told to me by people who measured and got a closer look at the device before hand. I believe these people.

I also seen alot of other great things while in the room and have no doubt the technology that will help shape an energy future is coming soon.

@Mark
If you are having problems with the kits or homemade devices why not start reposting these issues so that we can help. There are so many people who understand and harness this tech that you can almost assured the problems you are having can be worked through. If you give us a chance.
And if you are not ready to do that why not just stop posting ridicule and doubt, and go on to something else?

I myself am just bustling to get back to work and have a place to share where I do not have to deal with the negative people who continuously create doubt. This stuff works, and anybody willing to be patient and develop the concept for why and how can make it happen.
That place will be here, with or without you.

Cheers
Matt

electricity
11-16-2010, 10:40 PM
The device shown was along the same lines as the Watson device yet brought up to date with the latest tech to improve the energizer system.
It had no inductive motor as the Watson device did. Instead it had self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. It ran from the power produced by programmable Barium Ferrite magnets and opposing coils. These magnets alternated poles when briefly pulsed with a magnetic field. The starter motor ran all day in front of us and produced 42 ft lbs of torque. The torque produced was used to push the outer wheel away from cogging the coils produced, that were on the bottom. Similar to an SSG setup.
When the Monopole style setup (For lack of a better description) was started it immediately took 36 volt bank up to 42 volt and cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. I could hear the batteries from my position in immediately front of them. I missed any reference the total output, because of the crowd that wanted to witness, but I am sure it was a big number.
The numbers were from what was told to me by people who measured and got a closer look at the device before hand. I believe these people.

I also seen alot of other great things while in the room and have no doubt the technology that will help shape an energy future is coming soon.

@Mark
If you are having problems with the kits or homemade devices why not start reposting these issues so that we can help. There are so many people who understand and harness this tech that you can almost assured the problems you are having can be worked through. If you give us a chance.
And if you are not ready to do that why not just stop posting ridicule and doubt, and go on to something else?

I myself am just bustling to get back to work and have a place to share where I do not have to deal with the negative people who continuously create doubt. This stuff works, and anybody willing to be patient and develop the concept for why and how can make it happen.
That place will be here, with or without you.

Cheers
Matt
Why develop a new devise when the old one had Real Usable output, was it 12 kw/hr?.

And also, exotic barrium oxide magnets are hard to find.. let alone programming.

I am tired of these silly toys!:suprise:

electricity
11-16-2010, 10:47 PM
My first post here. I thought why not answer the big question :).
What is Electricity?
This is a question that is asked quite often and apparently hard to answer. After reading through alot of the posts the last couple of days I have come up with an undisputable answer.
"Electricity" is an Entity that we could do without.
Bill H.

Hey Bill,
Welcome aboard.

I had asked the same question but to no avail. My assumption is that we are somehow not qualified to know.

I'm sure Peter Lindermann knows the answer as Aaron can't provide one.

Anyhow, Good luck!
:cheers:

Matthew Jones
11-16-2010, 11:39 PM
Why develop a new devise when the old one had Real Usable output, was it 12 kw/hr?.
And also, exotic barrium oxide magnets are hard to find.. let alone programming.
I am tired of these silly toys!:suprise:

The new one works better.

So you have something to show or you have a point to make?

Or are you just looking to get someone fired up at you.

Personally I think you should probably go act out to your mother or babysitter or something along those lines instead looking for negative attention here. This is not the place.

Matt

phishy
11-16-2010, 11:49 PM
http://fan1701.com/stuff/1984_Bedini_watson.jpg
http://fan1701.com/stuff/ferris_wheel.jpg
http://fan1701.com/stuff/Bedini/non_linear_super_pole.jpg

so that we know what we´re talking about...
funky stuff :yahoo:

@electricity: build something and see for yourself...

Mark
11-17-2010, 01:05 AM
The device shown was along the same lines as the Watson device yet brought up to date with the latest tech to improve the energizer system.
It had no inductive motor as the Watson device did. Instead it had self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. It ran from the power produced by programmable Barium Ferrite magnets and opposing coils. These magnets alternated poles when briefly pulsed with a magnetic field. The starter motor ran all day in front of us and produced 42 ft lbs of torque. The torque produced was used to push the outer wheel away from cogging the coils produced, that were on the bottom. Similar to an SSG setup.
When the Monopole style setup (For lack of a better description) was started it immediately took 36 volt bank up to 42 volt and cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. I could hear the batteries from my position in immediately front of them. I missed any reference the total output, because of the crowd that wanted to witness, but I am sure it was a big number.
The numbers were from what was told to me by people who measured and got a closer look at the device before hand. I believe these people.

I also seen alot of other great things while in the room and have no doubt the technology that will help shape an energy future is coming soon.

@Mark
If you are having problems with the kits or homemade devices why not start reposting these issues so that we can help. There are so many people who understand and harness this tech that you can almost assured the problems you are having can be worked through. If you give us a chance.
And if you are not ready to do that why not just stop posting ridicule and doubt, and go on to something else?

I myself am just bustling to get back to work and have a place to share where I do not have to deal with the negative people who continuously create doubt. This stuff works, and anybody willing to be patient and develop the concept for why and how can make it happen.
That place will be here, with or without you.

Cheers
Matt

I'm afraid I don't follow what your describing here. First you say it had a self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. Then you say it cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. No batteries, has batteries, I can SEE THE BATTERIES!

Thanks for posting the pics phishy. I must say thats the largest SSG I have ever seen. Very impressive!

Matt most everything I have built, from kits to home made devices worked as far as making light, recovering sulfated batteries or charging batteries. But none have produced excess energy, power or overunity what ever term you want to use. I got involved with "free energy" because I was led to believe these systems could be built by the average person to do just that, make "free energy". Now don't get me wrong I'm no electronics wiz but I expected to learn more or get more than what I got from the money and time I have spent so far. I read and study this forum everyday to try and learn or get more insight on how to produce and overunity device. And yes I have learned a lot about the devices I have made and also learned from what others have done but to be honest I am somewhat disappointed so far with the end results up to this point.

If you go and look at the sales pitches for most of the devices and videos you are lead to believe that after you purchase the kit or information that you will be able to produce "free energy". And thats just not the case, at least not for me or anyone else that I know of except Bits setup or maybe the work of Dr Stiffler.

If John's device is infact overunity and now he has shown it to the public why not give out or sell complete instructions on how to make one. Not something that almost works or might work if you knew how to tune it but really works. And don't give me a lame excuse about safety or the MIB because that just doesn't hold water anymore. Has the MIB or anyone made death threats to Steorn over his device, those days are long gone. I think most people have a pretty good understanding of how these devices work and if we dont then teach us the missing keys. THATS NOT SPOON FEEDING. Come on if now isn't the time to let the cat out of the bag then when will it be. Or will this knowledge just be added to the list of lost technologies.

Mark

Matthew Jones
11-17-2010, 01:22 AM
2 devices for one purpose. The starter motor ran itself. It is the center section of the big wheel.
The monopole part of it is on the bottom and it did have batteries.

You did not have start the motor via a spin it was spinning on its own. Then of course you could incorporate the bottom part and and would start producing power.

Follow Me? 2 separate things working together at different phases.


Well I have monopole that is mine I built and it keeps the batteries charging in a COP of 2 or higher. It took a few times but what else can I say. It worked for me. My Tesla switch's works. And generally any concept I have tested or tried to develop either shows promise or works

If there is something I can do to be a help PM me and give me some info and I sure will try to help. I would just really appreciate it if what was wrote was more in the "pursuit of" and less in the "Just give up". Once the "Just give up" starts there a far to many people just ready to jump in with any kind of rhetoric no matter how uneducated it is.

I think the plan is to expand the setup he has. He didn't say anything about for sale, or open source yet. So I can't speak to that.

Matt

Bit's-n-Bytes
11-17-2010, 01:39 AM
I'm afraid I don't follow what your describing here. First you say it had a self running starter motor. NO BATTERIES mind you. Then you say it cold boiled the charge batteries while maintaining the run batteries. No batteries, has batteries, I can SEE THE BATTERIES!

Thanks for posting the pics phishy. I must say thats the largest SSG I have ever seen. Very impressive!

Matt most everything I have built, from kits to home made devices worked as far as making light, recovering sulfated batteries or charging batteries. But none have produced excess energy, power or overunity what ever term you want to use. I got involved with "free energy" because I was led to believe these systems could be built by the average person to do just that, make "free energy". Now don't get me wrong I'm no electronics wiz but I expected to learn more or get more than what I got from the money and time I have spent so far. I read and study this forum everyday to try and learn or get more insight on how to produce and overunity device. And yes I have learned a lot about the devices I have made and also learned from what others have done but to be honest I am somewhat disappointed so far with the end results up to this point.

If you go and look at the sales pitches for most of the devices and videos you are lead to believe that after you purchase the kit or information that you will be able to produce "free energy". And thats just not the case, at least not for me or anyone else that I know of except Bits setup or maybe the work of Dr Stiffler.

If John's device is infact overunity and now he has shown it to the public why not give out or sell complete instructions on how to make one. Not something that almost works or might work if you knew how to tune it but really works. And don't give me a lame excuse about safety or the MIB because that just doesn't hold water anymore. Has the MIB or anyone made death threats to Steorn over his device, those days are long gone. I think most people have a pretty good understanding of how these devices work and if we dont then teach us the missing keys. THATS NOT SPOON FEEDING. Come on if now isn't the time to let the cat out of the bag then when will it be. Or will this knowledge just be added to the list of lost technologies.

Mark

@Mark, I had the oppurtuninty to look at the machine up close and personal. I also had the pleasure of John asking me to verify the numbers regarding the output of this machine (see attached pic). Over 1.5 million joules of energy. Now let me explain the machine. The center hub use no starter motors, but it did have the berium ferrite magnets (non-linear placed) and coils. This hub propelled the wheel Perpetually, for the entire morning at 2 RPM until he began to explain the wheel. He then energized the wheel in a Watson method and the wheel stabilized at 16.8 RPM. The batteries under charge began at about 37.2 volts, but after a few revolutions, attained about 46 volts and was cold boiling. There are no secrets with this machine. John built it with the same features he helped Watson with at the 1984 conventions. There is no trickery here. In fact John brought a hole saw in and challanged the attendees to inspect it if they wish. There were no takers. Let me totally upfront with everyone, THIS IS THE REAL DEAL.

Jeff

redeagle
11-17-2010, 02:01 AM
Mark, from what i have read is that the difference is in the coil. Just putting together briefly info from posts on this website: Larger multi-filar coils produce more output than small single-filar ones. The multi-filar coils produce a synergistic effect that the single filar ones lack. While we all know that a pickup coil can be used to send current back to the primary battery. Bits has freely told us that his is wound closest to the core. closer to the core = more turns and higher voltage=more energy back into the coil. As far as being wound the opposite direction, I have no clue. A portion of the energy is retained in the outlying power windings which is directed into a separate charging bank. Give the battery an excuse to charge and it will charge itself.

rosehillworks
11-17-2010, 02:13 AM
It was great to finally meet so many of you at the Renaissance convention. It was an absolutely terrific birthday present from my wife. All of the information presented was definitely worth the expense and time. I found Peter's presentation extremely enlightening, I would recommend buying the cd of his presentation at this convention. I will be purchasing it to be able to memorize this vital information and have it in my library. It was truly an extraordinary convention. I want to personally thank Peter for kindly answering all of my questions without hesitation. Thanks to all who worked so hard to make this happen. William Reed :thumbsup:

Mark
11-17-2010, 02:14 AM
Let me see if I understand this correctly. If you took all 6 batteries away the machine would run on its own at 2 rpm with no input what so ever other than a little spin?

Why are there 2 banks of batteries. Looks like one bank of 3 batteries is used to run it and the other 3 battery bank is for charging. It would be more convincing if there was only 1 bank of batteries instead of 2.

Matt I may take you up on your offer. When you say a COP of 2 or higher do you mean you can take 2 batteries one charged and the other discharged and after rotating a few times both batteries will eventually be charged completely. Or are you just saying a COP of 2. A COP of greater than 1 is not what I'm looking for I'm sure I've already accomplished that. I'm looking for overunity, more output than input, excess energy or having more than I started with.

Thanks Bits and Matt for your responses,
Mark

Mark
11-17-2010, 02:25 AM
Mark, from what i have read is that the difference is in the coil. Just putting together briefly info from posts on this website: Larger multi-filar coils produce more output than small single-filar ones. The multi-filar coils produce a synergistic effect that the single filar ones lack. While we all know that a pickup coil can be used to send current back to the primary battery. Bits has freely told us that his is wound closest to the core. closer to the core = more turns and higher voltage=more energy back into the coil. As far as being wound the opposite direction, I have no clue. A portion of the energy is retained in the outlying power windings which is directed into a separate charging bank. Give the battery an excuse to charge and it will charge itself.

I've actually tried a similiar configuation a long time age. Had a bifilar coil SSG with a thicker coil wraped around the outside and what I found was that when pulling power from the outer coil it cancelled the power coming off of the inner coil. But I haven't tried what Bits is doing with an extra coil on the inside wound in the opposet direction, may have to try that next.