Martin Grusenick | Extended Michelson-Morley Interferometer Experiment

[Aaron]

This thread is for the open minded discussion of Mr. Martin Grusenick's interferometer experiment. I learned of it from a post by Rosemary Ainslie in the heater thread. This video has the demo:

YouTube - Extended Michelson-Morley Interferometer experiment. English version

I have emailed Mr. Martin Grusenick to ask him to share his knowledge with us here. His email is on his video and if anyone else is inclined to email him to invite him here, that may be helpful in case there are any problems with my email.

[Inquorate]

Absolutely fabulous

That experiment seems to suggest that the aether drift is equal to the voltage polarity of the atmosphere and the earth, and perpendicular to the magnetic field of the earth.

So the aether drift sounds like it may be responsible for 'gravity'.

superb

[jibbguy]

I was reading again about the 1887 experiments at Case Western Reserve U.

I have seen the actual apparatus Michelson & Morley built, which is enshrined in the lobby of the Engineering School building there.

Before when this subject was covered in school (...and the the old-timer scientists made to sound silly & stupid with their ridiculous insistence of an "Active Aether" lol), i never thought to ask this extremely elemental question... In retrospect is sounds like such a no-brainer to test it in both directions.

It makes me wonder what other "automatic givens" i have not thought to ask about lol

[Aaron]

downward aetheric push

So the aether drift sounds like it may be responsible for 'gravity'.

If this experiment is accurately showing what it appears to be showing, then it simply gives more credit to my gravitational explanation in my book that as mass displaces the aether the aether rebounds back towards the direction from where it was displaced - meaning that gravity is always a downward push and is not a gravitational pull.

It never comes to equilibrium in the middle of the planet because there are transformations that occur that allow for the rising of various "particles" back towards the surface.

Anyway, that downward aetheric push exerts a push on the mass of an atom and that is what pushes it to the ground in my opinion.

I do hope that Martin Grusenick does join this forum and share his own ideas of what is happening.

No matter the explanation of what or why this is happening, it appears to show that Michelson & Morley always had the direction wrong based on false assumptions that many of us have always believed. If the aether was moving like what Michelson & Morley was looking for, we'd all be sliding sideways on the ground - forever pushing against an invisible wind. lol

James Demeo has done his own experiments that also show evidence of the aether, which of course contradicts Michelson & Morley.

I believe the results of this experiment also lends support to Rosemary's magnetic field model.

[witsend]

My own take on this extraordinary experiment by von Grusenick is that the results seem to tally with evidence of magnetic fields - somehow. Not only is there the clear difference in the change at the east/west polarities (indicating a smoothness in the field) but the angle at which the change happens appears to be at the north/south axis - if one takes the angle of the camera and the lenses into account. The difference is then, possibly - in the fact that our own true north is off the vertical plane and maybe this would conflict with my conclusion. Just don't know and would love to hear what others think.

The other factor that possibly mitigates against this being a magnetic field is that the fields are apparently subject to change depending on the hour of the day or night. Presumably then too, and according to Allais, there could be changes relating to seasons et al. But for this von Grusenick would need to do longer tests and am not sure if he's even considering the possibility of this being magnetic in nature. I will definitely see if I can contact him. Who knows?

Of interest is that I've checked up on alternative experiments on evidence for aether. Just as seminal as Michelson-Morley experiment. Remember guys, the test has only ever shown that within reasonable margins of error no evidence was there. Not that aether was not extant. Einstein managed his Special Theory of Relativity without any need for this. But he never actually discounted the existence as a possibility. And of the many subsequent tests to prove it - some were done to precisely obviate magnetic fields. But the use of the interferometer experiments seemed to have been conducted on the horizontal plane - exclusively. As Jibbguy mentioned - an obvious oversight.

But the fact of aether I think is widely accepted today. It's just that it's called Dark energy. It has the same effect however. We do not need to fight for mainsteam's acceptance of the concept. They've beaten us to it. It's just that the term aether is very carefully omitted.

But how interesting is this. MileHigh - the dreaded sceptic - has already proposed that there is an obvious error in the experiment. I'm trying to find out where. Personally I've viewed the video about half a dozen times and I can't fault it. Has anyone picked up a problem here?

EDIT BTW Of interest is that I saw a youtube video by Harvey that clearly showed that rotation of a magnetic field on the horizontal axis results in no changes in the patterns of magnetic fields on flux. This definitely ties in with the results of the Michelson-Morley results and more particularly with von Grusenick's. ALL JUST SO INTERSTING. I'm certain von Grusenick is looking at magnetic fields as were others doing similar tests. Not sure if this is consistent with aether - but it certainly fits with my own take on the subject.

[poii]

Azimuth?

I wonder what the azimuth of the axis of rotation was and if he tried others?

[witsend]

I wonder what the azimuth of the axis of rotation was and if he tried others?

Hi Poii. I had to look up azimuth and am not sure even now. Either the meridian or the east west axis and always? in a clockwise direction? I also want to know which other angles were studied. I can imagine tilts to test this - more or less on all possible axes through a sphere. But I think that Allais has tested this as it relates to tidal variations, (moon?) and seasonal (sun). There's a link somewhere to allais but I think it's on the overunity.com forum. I'll try and find it - but if it is there its on the 'claimed overunity' thread somewhere towards the end. Am only telling you this as your search will definitely be quicker than mine if you're that interested.

[Aaron]

experiment

So that was east and west? Did he do a north to south?

He mentioned it is different at different times of day or night.

I would imagine at night would definitely have a stronger impact
on the effect.

[witsend]

So that was east and west? Did he do a north to south?

He mentioned it is different at different times of day or night.

I would imagine at night would definitely have a stronger impact
on the effect.

Hi Aaron. Not sure who your referencing here but presume it's Allais. I have no idea of his experimental set up but I do know that his conclusions were consistent with von Grusenick. Except that Allais also tested seasons and I think tidal variations. But Allais is not a physicist as such. His interests are economics. And I'm not sure that he's input is really that of a specialist.

But just for the record - MileHigh discounts the evidence on the basis of gravitational stresses on the apparatus as it turns through 360 degrees. I think his concerns are valid - but there's evidently no real distortion to the waveform as it turns through the circle. Else I think MH's argument would be invincible. As it is - it's just nitpicking. His speciality and true genius.

[Aaron]

stress

MileHigh discounts the evidence on the basis of gravitational stresses on the apparatus as it turns through 360 degrees

It is easy to measure any warping of the platform at any angle to see if this is the case but I doubt it. The influence on the waves are too smooth and consistent for both halves of the circle.

We'll see. That is a very simple experiment to duplicate. I have my hands full with your circuit now so maybe others will try it.

Grusenick seems smart enough to have considered any platform twisting effects by being vertical, etc... hopefully he will post about this.

[tagor]

Hi Aaron. Not sure who your referencing here but presume it's Allais. I have no idea of his experimental set up but I do know that his conclusions were consistent with von Grusenick. Except that Allais also tested seasons and I think tidal variations. But Allais is not a physicist as such. His interests are economics. And I'm not sure that he's input is really that of a specialist.

But just for the record - MileHigh discounts the evidence on the basis of gravitational stresses on the apparatus as it turns through 360 degrees. I think his concerns are valid - but there's evidently no real distortion to the waveform as it turns through the circle. Else I think MH's argument would be invincible. As it is - it's just nitpicking. His speciality and true genius.

I was present when Allais gave his lecture

he has not done any experiment

only he took the data of the miller experiment (1931)
and after correction of "universal time" on this data he get
more accurates datas where he took off the aether speed of 8km/s
( fixe directional speed in the space )

[quantumuppercut]

Great experiment,

This is a +5000000 points to free energy. Once the experiment is validate by mainstream, free energy is 99% probable. It will eliminate alot of If, and, and buts. What a pleasant surprise. We must press on this ultimate weapon.

[witsend]

Hi Quantum. I missed this yesterday. Nice to see you around again. Indeed the implications here are really good. I hope the test results prove valid - but there's some question as to the dependability of the results. My personal hope is that von Grusenick will sort out the questions and then maybe publish? That would be just so nice.

[witsend]

I was present when Allais gave his lecture

he has not done any experiment

only he took the data of the miller experiment (1931)
and after correction of "universal time" on this data he get
more accurates datas where he took off the aether speed of 8km/s
( fixe directional speed in the space )

Tagor - thanks for the info. Cannot tell you how jealous I am that you could actually attend a lecture here. I presume, therefore, that you speak the 'lingo'. I lived in Paris for a year - in my youth. But can barely remember the language. I actually tried re-reading some Guy De Maupassant stories, to try and jog the fading memory of this. I do hope you'll forgive my reference to Allais being a francophile. But I think it's on record and widely understood. And, for the record, I'm a Parisophile. Nothing quite like it and never to be forgotten. What a city.

[tagor]

Tagor - thanks for the info. Cannot tell you how jealous I am that you could actually attend a lecture here. I presume, therefore, that you speak the 'lingo'. I lived in Paris for a year - in my youth. But can barely remember the language. I actually tried re-reading some Guy De Maupassant stories, to try and jog the fading memory of this. I do hope you'll forgive my reference to Allais being a francophile. But I think it's on record and widely understood. And, for the record, I'm a Parisophile. Nothing quite like it and never to be forgotten. What a city.

Witsend

very nice
Paris is nice but i am to old to stay in a big city
too much noise , and so on ...
all my family is doing champagne ( east of paris )
champagne is nice too !
what do you think of ?