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Aaron
05-11-2007, 08:44 PM
The purpose of this thread is to discuss what radiant energy is.

Here is Nikola Tesla's paper On Light and other High Frequency Phenomena
(http://teslachargers.com/2015/02/18/on-light-and-other-high-frequency-phenomena-by-nikola-tesla/)
At the bottom of that paper is a link to download the PDF.

lighty
05-12-2007, 02:34 AM
@Lindemann

I watched your DVD of lecture on radiant energy. Some of the requirements as I understand them are:

1. The mass of material of primary and secondary has to be equal as precisely as possible. That is the requirement proposed by Tesla regarding his high frequency coils and especially his flat archimedean spiral coils. I may be way of the track on this one but it seems to me that the amount of the dielectric charge (or rather the density of dielectric lines of force) are in some way proportional to the mass of the conductor or rather to the number of atoms available in order to resonate and produce radiant energy event. For example I've conducted a number of experiments in which I compared the highly saturated high quality ferrite core with small airgap (in order to increase the saturation point and to store more magnetic flux in the airgap- I'm talking about 0.1mm airgap and smaller number of turns of conductor. I compared it with the extremely heavy coils with smaller core (in this case Metglas ones- I used them for their high permeability and extremely narrow hysteresis curve) and open geometry (pretty much similar to the Bedini SG coil). Of course one can produce pretty much the same voltage spikes on both coils but the coil with the more conductor mass exhibit a somewhat different properties. For example the discharge of the capacitor filled with the Back-EMF from the ferrite core showed different properties compared to the discharge of the capacitors filled with the BEMF from the massive coil. I'm talking here mostly about visual and auditive quality of the discharge. My guess is that a mass of conductor definitely plays some role in the way coil produces BEMF.

2. The surface area of the conductors definitely plays a role in radiant energy release. The fact is that a Litz wire or a flat strip of conductor material shows much better properties dealing with sudden impulses. I also compared several types of wire in the pretty much similar conditions (same core, same number of ampere turns, same current and same saturation of core. The BEMF curve of the Litz wire and flat strip wire are much more steeper (thus more sudden in time) and goes to the much higher voltage. I couldn't believe a geometry could make such a difference but it did. My guess is that a conductor tube would exhibit pretty much similar characteristics- in fact I used copper tubing for Tesla induction coils primaries and they definitely show more appropriate behavior and less loses than the full conductor profiles. Of course much of that behavior can be attributed to the lower impedance those kind of big surface conductor shows when dealing with sudden impulses. The other thing I observed is that Litz wire coils sometimes gain by separating of their turns somewhat. The flat strip conductors also benefit if one winds them in a way to be oriented edgewise to each other. It surely lower their inter-capacitance and probably contribute to the lowering of the impedance of coil itself. Skin effect also plays a role in that effect but I'm not sure to what extent.

3. For Tesla resonant system it's advisable to have secondary set to 1/4 wavelength of the resonant frequency. Tesla himself advise in that direction and although I never experimentally tried that rule I guess there must be some rationale behind it. I know that if some conditions are met a stationary wave can be produced and in energy transfer it plays significant role. To be honest I'm still learning about this stuff so please cope with me as much as you can.

4. When talking about BEMF as a kind of radiant event I've learned that inductance plays significant role. With higher inductance one usually gets more severe potential gradient change (measuring with an oscilloscope it means one gets higher voltage spikes). With lowering of capacitive component of impedance voltage spikes go even higher- it's probably why flat strip conductor (for one layer coils- I've never tried multilayer coils of this type) shows significant advantage over ordinary round- profile conductor. It's surface is also extremely large so it could also play a role regarding a skin effect.


So here it is- and although there is so much more I could say about the results I obtained for now I will reduce my ranting on refining my knowledge on the phenomena I talked about. I've based my conclusions on practical experiments but my interpretation oethe results might be wrong so feel free to correct me. I'm always glad if someone disprove my conclusions with solid arguments so that I can learn more about the topic in question. :notworthy:

Peter Lindemann
05-12-2007, 03:51 AM
Lighty,

Thank you for opening up such an intelligent conversation. The most important thing here is not to be "right" or "wrong", but that you are learning, experimenting, and thinking deeply about what you are seeing in your experiments! Congratulations.

There are two issues here. The first issue is the PRODUCTION of radiant energy and the second is the EFFICIENT TRANSFER of radiant energy.

The first issue is covered by Tesla in his work on the "Method of Conversion", that is, the conversion of "normal electricity" into "longitudinal waves of electrostatic force" otherwise known as Radiant Energy. As I show in my DVD, Tesla's Radiant Energy patents clearly state that Radiant Energy is defined as electrostatic charge CONVEYED by Radiant Matter. Radiant Matter is made up of neutral particles of mass at least 100 times smalled than electrons. The general "Method of Conversion" is to charge an inductor with intermittent DC current, and collect the inductive discharges in a capacitor. Then, discharge the capacitor into another inductor of high self-inductance and low impedance, to raise the voltage even higher for use in lighting systems or stepper type motors. When studying Tesla's "Method of Conversion" it becomes obvious that he was talking about a very broad phenomena. The original diagram shows SIX different processes, all of which produce variations on the Method.

The term "Radiant Energy" evolved from Tesla's friendship with and admiration of Sir William Crookes. Crookes invented the Radiometer, a device Tesla referred to as the most elegant motor ever devised. Crookes was studying the effects relating to the emissions from incandescent matter. The question was, when a piece of mass is heated to the point where it starts to emit light and heat, what EXACTLY is coming out of the matter that conveys these properties into the surrounding space? The Radiometer demonstrated that these emissions had MASS and could convey a PHYSICAL FORCE to another object. Tesla came to believe that ANY source of light and heat, such as the Sun, was emitting "whatever" is emitted when MATTER RADIATES! Whatever that was, was termed "Radiant Matter." Since it could go right through the glass enclosure of the Radiometer WITHOUT disrupting the vacuum inside, the determination was that the particle size was INFINITESIMALLY SMALL. Tesla's later experiments determined that these Radiant Matter particles where the primary CONVEYOR of electrostatic charge.

When I can, I will discuss the second issue you bring up.

Peter

Aaron
05-12-2007, 06:51 AM
For example the discharge of the capacitor filled with the Back-EMF from the ferrite core showed different properties compared to the discharge of the capacitors filled with the BEMF from the massive coil. I'm talking here mostly about visual and auditive quality of the discharge. My guess is that a mass of conductor definitely plays some role in the way coil produces BEMF.

Hi Lighty,

To my understanding, back emf and the collapsed coil's voltage potential are two different things that happen at two different times.

The back emf is happening at the exact same time that a current is induced into a coil. There is the forward induction and then the back emf is counter induced and is explained by the Lenz law.

After the coil is charged and the back emf event happens and the coil power is turned off, the build up magnetic field collapses in reverse polarity and fills the capacitor with voltage potential free or mostly free of electron current and therefore no back emf in that event since it is for the most part, just voltage potential and not current.

So when Bedini's circuits for example are charging capacitors, it does so with radiant energy or the voltage potential free of current instead of charging a capacitor with back emf or electron current.

Someone else may be able to clarify the distinction between back emf/counter current and voltage potential/collapsed field

lighty
05-12-2007, 11:11 AM
I think the main problem is the lack of proper terminology practice. I use the term to label the induced EMF of the higher value and reverse polarity than the voltage of the source inducing the original current flow (and thus magnetic field) that manifests itself when the conductance of the coil circuit goes suddenly to zero and the magnetic field collapses very fast. Now look at this very vague definition that is somewhat contradictory in itself Counter-electromotive force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_emf)

When I think of it I cannot remember a proper term used in electronics. The phenomena is mostly labeled as detrimental as it might burn out the semiconductor devices (and thus all the protective snubber circuitry usually engineered in the circuitry) and simply calls it "transient phenomena". While that term is appropriate because it is transient phenomena it's at the same time very vague so no luck there. Just look at here Snubber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snubber) In relation to the transil diodes it's only mentioned that they protect circuit from the "voltage spikes". Transient voltage suppression diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_voltage_suppression_diode)


So what would be the proper terminology for that fast transient phenomena? :confused:

Peter Lindemann
05-12-2007, 05:10 PM
I think the main problem is the lack of proper terminology practice. I use the term to label the induced EMF of the higher value and reverse polarity than the voltage of the source inducing the original current flow (and thus magnetic field) that manifests itself when the conductance of the coil circuit goes suddenly to zero and the magnetic field collapses very fast. Now look at this very vague definition that is somewhat contradictory in itself Counter-electromotive force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_emf)

When I think of it I cannot remember a proper term used in electronics. The phenomena is mostly labeled as detrimental as it might burn out the semiconductor devices (and thus all the protective snubber circuitry usually engineered in the circuitry) and simply calls it "transient phenomena". While that term is appropriate because it is transient phenomena it's at the same time very vague so no luck there. Just look at here Snubber - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snubber) In relation to the transil diodes it's only mentioned that they protect circuit from the "voltage spikes". Transient voltage suppression diode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_voltage_suppression_diode)


So what would be the proper terminology for that fast transient phenomena? :confused:

Lighty, Aaron, and anybody else who cares,

OK folks, here is the real answer. The Wikipedia definition for Counter Electromotive Force (CEMF) actually covers the territory pretty well. It is just a little short on detail. Technically, BACK EMF is the reverse voltage generated in an electric motor that is responsible for holding back the current when the motor speeds up. My DVD Electric Motor Secrets shows exactly what the BACK EMF is and how it works.

CEMF is any other reverse induction in an inductor that slows down the increase or decrease in the applied current. This process is described by Lenz Law, where ANY induced current opposes the movement of the magnetic field that induced it. So, when a DC square-wave pulse is applied to a coil of wire, the voltage reaches its maximum value nearly instantaneously, whereas the current rises to its maximum value on a ramp-wave with a specific time constant. The current cannot rise instantaneously, like the voltage, because the current in one turn of the coil is causing CEMF inductions in other turns of the coil nearby. So the current fights itself to reach its maximum value. These processes only happen when the current is CHANGING, either rising or dropping in value.

In the older books, the distinction between these two processes, or the names used to describe them was not made. Many names for electrical processes changed in the 1950's and 1960's. Cycles-per-second became Hertz, CEMF became Back EMF and lots of other things. It is no wonder that there is confusion about these things.

The most important thing to understand in all of this is that all of these phenomena follow ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION LAWS. Currents are induced in relationship to the strength of the magnetic field and voltages are induced based on the rate-of-change of that flux. In standard transformer operations, voltages in the output winding (secondary) cannot exceed the voltage in the input winding (primary) times the turns ratio between the primary and the secondary.

The appearance of the very short duration, very high voltage transient, when the current powering an inductor on DC is shut OFF, does not follow these Laws, especially on CLOSE OBSERVATION. John Bedini has spent 30 years studying this situation and has articulated most accurately the conditions to maximize the production of this voltage spike. I refer to this situation as the energy of "the inductive collapse", since that distinguishes it from other varieties of CEMFs. The voltage producing phenomena produces a different QUALITY of electricity, according to the "Method of Conversion" described by Tesla. In fact, charging and discharging an inductor is the FIRST STEP in Tesla's "Method of Conversion" and the first step in the process of producing PURE Radiant Energy.

According to Tesla, the "fast transient phenomena" is a Longitudinal Wave, a time compressed zone of electrostatic charge or pure voltage, traveling ahead of the electron current. It appears BEFORE the current starts moving and is separate and distinct from it.

I hope this helps.

Peter

lighty
05-13-2007, 12:54 AM
Thank you for opening up such an intelligent conversation. The most important thing here is not to be "right" or "wrong", but that you are learning, experimenting, and thinking deeply about what you are seeing in your experiments! Congratulations.

Well, thank you but I owe that fact mostly to you since it's been your article on MWO published by BSRF which interested me in this area of research in the first place. I really have nothing but respect for your research and for your skills as the talented popularizer of hard to understand topics. :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy:


The general "Method of Conversion" is to charge an inductor with intermittent DC current, and collect the inductive discharges in a capacitor.

Indeed it's the basic principle used by Tesla as it's obvious simply by observing the designs of various Tesla oscillators (as he called them himself). There is one thing I observed that is not so obvious at the first look. The polarity of the "fast transient phenomena" of the induction discharge used will to some degree determine the behavior of the system. For example I discovered by experiment that the - polarity of the inductive discharge doesn't behave the same as the + polarity of the inductive discharge. One would think that they're the same because it's the same if you watch either polarity voltage on the oscilloscope but in reality there are some strange things going on with semiconductors when using - polarity of the inductive discharge as well as some very odd behavior of the oscilloscope probe itself. I suspect that grounding of the oscilloscope is interacting with the - polarity of inductive discharge and it causes some serious troubles during the measurement rendering them practically unusable. I alway wondered why Bedini uses handheld oscilloscope. The thing about handhelds is that they should behave much more stable because of their floating power supply is not connected to ground in any way.

Also, if one end of the inductive discharge coil is grounded the transient voltage effect is diminished to some extent or at least changed slightly in it's nature. My guess is that any ground path in the circuit will simply allow the excessive dielectric charge to be leveled out with the surrounding media and thus effectively neutralizing it to some extent. Maybe I'm mistaken but to me it seems only logical.

As I wrote earlier there are some rules that I find must be observed in order to get the better results but I was wondering if you could elaborate some more on the best design of the coils for inductive discharge and on the methods of achieving the highest inductance with least impedance. I mean one could lower the capacitive component of impedance the way I described before but is there some other things that should be observed in order to achieve optimal results?

Your input on this matter would be much appreciated. :thumbsup:

lighty
05-13-2007, 01:18 AM
I refer to this situation is the energy of "the inductive collapse", since that distinguishes it from other varieties of CEMFs.

OK, now that is indeed a good description of what is going on and I choose to use that term in the future instead of the more vague Back-EMF. :thumbsup:



It appears BEFORE the current starts moving and is separate and distinct from it.Indeed. Now, it would be most useful if one could limit the movement of the electrons during the charging of capacitors with the inductive collapse voltage or rather with the dielectric charge. One could of course try putting an inductor between inductive collapse inductor and the capacitor in order to limit the electron flow to capacitor. Now, if that capacitor is then discharged into next inductor and then the same electron move limiting inductor is used to limit the electron flow to the next stage capacitor one could maybe make a kind of cascade connection to purify the dielectric charge toward the end of such cascade. Do you have any ideas on how to do that?

In one experiment I used + polarity of the inductive collapse and I put an aircore inductor in series with it. Now, when the opposite end of the series inductor was slowly removed from the ground (to where it was connected in the first place) there was produced an extremely powerful continuous arc of the most peculiar nature (of course the inductive collapse coil was in the high frequency function all the time). First of all it was a rather constant arc without any interruptions and it could be drawn a few millimeters before becoming extinguished. The other peculiar thing was the fact that the arc produced a sound just like the high frequency plasma. The spectra of arc was green to blue and it produced extreme heat enough for me to weld two small pieces of steel together. And all of that exclusively by using the inductive discharge of very small magnitude and with rather low power used to power the inductive collapse coil with rather low voltages gained in the range of 95-120V but I must again accentuate the fact that I used the + polarity of the inductive collapse. My guess is that a kind of positive plasma was induced that showed some rather peculiar phenomena. Now, I tried doing the same with the - polarity of the inductive collapse but I was simply unable to make anything work because the system had common ground and it rendered extraction of the - polarity practically impossible.



I hope this helps.You're being most helpful indeed! :thumbsup:

Mario
05-13-2007, 10:43 AM
Hi Lighty,

Have you tried a caduceus coil? It's supposed to have no impedance at all and a very narrow induction field in that, if you want to get two coils in resonance you have to align them with the precision of a laser beam.
Here you can download a doc.:

http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/TIME/Caduceus.doc

regards

Mario

lighty
05-13-2007, 12:02 PM
@Mario

No, I didn't try using Caduceus coil for the purpose of inductive discharge. I could try it in the next time period in order to discern the truth from myth. Lindemann got it right- there is a lot of theoretical work out there but much less practical experiments to prove or disprove those theories.

But you gave me an incentive to try it- at least to see if the claims about extremely low impedance are correct.:)

Mario
05-13-2007, 12:16 PM
Hi Lighty,

I'm experimenting myself working on John's solid state circuits. I will try a caduceus coil soon, but first I have a lot of different options to test. Let me know how it works out if you get a chance to play with it!

regards

Mario

Peter Lindemann
05-13-2007, 06:24 PM
Lighty,

You are really learning this material, and it is very gratifying to see.

OK, how do you separate the electron flow (current) from the neutral particle flow (voltage)? Believe it or not, Tesla's simple method does it. So does John Bedini's methods. When an inductor is charged with DC current, the intensity of its magnetic field is described by the "ampere-turns" of the coil. When the magnetic field discharges, the voltage it produces is described by the "rate-of-change" of the flux. The flux changes are resisted by themselves, as we have discussed, due to Lenz Law effects.

So, if you discharge your inductive collapse energy into a capacitor, here is what happens. If the capacitor starts at ZERO volts, the first few inductive collapses deliver CURRENT pulses to bring the capacitor up to the voltage level of the source powering the coil. As this process continues, once the voltage in the capacitor gets ABOVE the power source charging the coil, the balance switches, and the coil must start generating more voltage to keep getting above the voltage already in the capacitor. If you have a current probe on your oscilloscope, watch the current pulses going into the cap. The energy of the inductive collapse constantly adjusts to produce more and more voltage and less and less current to keep the capacitor charging up.

Now it gets interesting. IF your inductor has a magnetic field that is completely closed down, like a standard transformer, the voltage level you can charge your capacitor to is only a few times higher than your power source. But, as John Bedini has shown, if the inductor is totally OPEN to the environment, (no closed magnetic field) the voltage produced by the inductive collapse can easily attain 30 times the level of your power supply. With really good air-core coils, I have seem some of John's oscillators produce voltages 50 times higher than the supply.

The question is why? The answer is LENZ LAW! As the capacitor charges up above the supply voltage, current CANNOT be pushed into the capacitor by standard ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION LAWS. There is NO turns ratio gain for voltage production, so all voltage gain is by Tesla's ELECTROSTATIC INDUCTION LAWS. As the current in the discharge drops, the magnetic field can collapse faster and faster because the Back EMF caused by current is diminishing. This INCREASES the "rate-of-change" of flux and the voltage can rise to higher values.

At a certain point, there is no current left, at which point the voltage can rise to VERY HIGH VALUES. This is what Tesla discovered as he scaled these systems up.

So, the coil design suitable to receive the discharge of this capacitor is the primary coil of Tesla's flat spiral or conical coil "TRANSFORMER". That primary coil is always described as "a few turns of stout wire or copper strap." Look at the designs of the coils built by Eric Dollard in the old Borderlands videos. Why? The capacitor can take all of the VOLTAGE you put in it and discharge it in less than a microsecond, creating a HUGE CHANGE of dielectric flux, the quality of which is very low on electron movement. This is the time compressed electrostatic wave. The time-compression is all the time it took to charge the cap is given back in an instant.

The other thing you are seeing is the truth that "electricity is electricity" is a false theory. Electricity can and does appear as a wide variety of different QUALITIES of energy, depending on how the circuit is set up. Only experimental work will show you this. So, again, congratulations.

Keep up the great work.

Peter

lighty
05-13-2007, 09:58 PM
If the capacitor starts at ZERO volts, the first few inductive collapses deliver CURRENT pulses to bring the capacitor up to the voltage level of the source powering the coil. As this process continues, once the voltage in the capacitor gets ABOVE the power source charging the coil, the balance switches, and the coil must start generating more voltage to keep getting above the voltage already in the capacitor. If you have a current probe on your oscilloscope, watch the current pulses going into the cap. The energy of the inductive collapse constantly adjusts to produce more and more voltage and less and less current to keep the capacitor charging up.

Indeed you're right- the effects you're describing are exactly what I was referring to in one of my earlier posts. I called it a "transformer effect" because in those first few pulses when the electron flow is charging the capacitor one can observe that there is anomalous current consumption going on in the "primary". I suspected that it also has something to do with the fact that Bedini is using a full bridge rectifier in his "secondary" and that such configuration is allowing for inductive coupling to transfer energy to the capacitor. I then used only a single diode in order to reduce that effect caused by inductive transfer from "primary" to "secondary". Indeed, a single diode did reduce the anomalous current consumption on the "primary" during the "charging phase" prior to inductive collapse. It's easily seen with the current clamp and fast DSO. It was then that by chance I observed that the negative and positive polarity of the inductive collapse charge doesn't behave the same way. I won't go further into that because I already wrote about that.


But, as John Bedini has shown, if the inductor is totally OPEN to the environment, (no closed magnetic field) the voltage produced by the inductive collapse can easily attain 30 times the level of your power supply. With really good air-core coils, I have seem some of John's oscillators produce voltages 50 times higher than the supply.

In fact 50 times higher voltage is easily achieved if a proper geometry, a proper core material and electronics are used. I can normally achieve a 18V/900V ratio and more is possible but for some reasons of design I have to use the semiconductors in the capacitive discharge circuit and I have to reduce voltage to remain <1kV to prevent a possible semiconductor voltage breakthrough. As I discovered several requirements have to be observed to achieve higher voltage impulses to capacitor and among them is the speed of diode (I use special extremely fast diodes), a semiconductor used to energize the coil should be chosen and driven in a way that would allow for extremely fast shutdown of current through coil and low leakage current after, a high-permeability narrow hysteresis material should be used (I use one form of material similar to Metglas), a precise control of the saturation point of core in order to shut down energizing semiconductor device in the exact moment of highest saturation in order to prevent losses and excessive heating of the components, and finally one should use as high frequency as possible (the coil in configuration I'm using is going up to 6kHz and is limited solely by the inductance of the coil and the time necessary to fully saturate the core). It took me quite some time to get a necessary understanding and control of the processes involved in order to meet all those requirements and still I learn something new every time I try some new approach.



The capacitor can take all of the VOLTAGE you put in it and discharge it in less than a microsecond, creating a HUGE CHANGE of dielectric flux, the quality of which is very low on electron movement. This is the time compressed electrostatic wave.

Exactly! A sudden change of the dielectric flux is what's Tesla was lecturing about and the thing that usually perplexes people is the fact that there is almost no electron movement involved but rather an electrostatic impulse of great magnitude able to produce a some sort of dielectric avalanche in the secondary. Of course that's the underlying principle but several things have to be observed in order for everything to work as described by Tesla such as the proper impulse control, the appropriate sparkgap, the position of the sparkgap in the system etc. I'm just getting into this field and I plan to do several experiments of my own in the near future.


Keep up the great work.

I'm doing the best I can and I can thank you for getting me interested in these topics several years back when I read your articles on MWO published by BSRF and especially with your book The Secrets of Cold Electricity. That was my primer in this field of research so I thank you for writing all down so eloquently and concise. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Shad
05-14-2007, 09:19 AM
Dear Dr. Lindemann

As I understand to create the time compressed electrostatic wave and HUGE CHANGE of dielectric flux in the flat spiral or conical coil "TRANSFORMER" the spark gap is an important medium.

From the personal writings of Nikola Tesla, as well as from your lectures I understand that dialectrica used in a spark gap is very important.

Above you discussed the first step of radiant energy conversion, please allow me to scrutinize and analyze the second step.

In one of your lectures you said that the spike must be created in a way in the spark gap, that it will crack only once.

Tesla in in his personal notes says the same - the electric ark must be avoided. He describes that this electric ark is created in conductive gases, such as air, on the molecular level and the molecules are charged and discharged that quickly that thereby light is created. In this way light currents are caused and the energy is lost, therefore he made a magnetic spark gap to interrupt the electric ark. The best would be a dialectrica, such as vacuum, or something similar, that would lock up the spike, thus isolating it, while it 'bolts' through the spark gap.

The external appearance would be that 'is cracks only once', since no electric ark is created.

Could you give some suggestion on what dialectrica would be suitable for this kind of spark gap?

My greatest sympathies go towards vacuum tubes, but since they are very difficult to be manufactured, I would do a compromise and try liquid dialectrica, such as compressing transformer-oil, liquid hexane, or other liquid dialectrica in a spark gap.

What do you think about this? What kind of spark gaps did Dollard use?

Thank you very much and best of greetings,
Shad

Peter Lindemann
05-15-2007, 05:12 AM
Dear Dr. Lindemann

As I understand to create the time compressed electrostatic wave and HUGE CHANGE of dielectric flux in the flat spiral or conical coil "TRANSFORMER" the spark gap is an important medium.

From the personal writings of Nikola Tesla, as well as from your lectures I understand that dialectrica used in a spark gap is very important.

Above you discussed the first step of radiant energy conversion, please allow me to scrutinize and analyze the second step.

In one of your lectures you said that the spike must be created in a way in the spark gap, that it will crack only once.

Tesla in in his personal notes says the same - the electric ark must be avoided. He describes that this electric ark is created in conductive gases, such as air, on the molecular level and the molecules are charged and discharged that quickly that thereby light is created. In this way light currents are caused and the energy is lost, therefore he made a magnetic spark gap to interrupt the electric ark. The best would be a dialectrica, such as vacuum, or something similar, that would lock up the spike, thus isolating it, while it 'bolts' through the spark gap.

The external appearance would be that 'is cracks only once', since no electric ark is created.

Could you give some suggestion on what dialectrica would be suitable for this kind of spark gap?

My greatest sympathies go towards vacuum tubes, but since they are very difficult to be manufactured, I would do a compromise and try liquid dialectrica, such as compressing transformer-oil, liquid hexane, or other liquid dialectrica in a spark gap.

What do you think about this? What kind of spark gaps did Dollard use?

Thank you very much and best of greetings,
Shad

Shad,

Dollard used large vacuum triodes for his Magnifying Transmitter, and glass enclosed hydrogen spark arresters for the other BSRF demonstrations.

But let's start at the beginning. What was Tesla trying to do? He was trying to produce a simple DC square-wave pulse train. But he didn't have ANY electronic control devices. No 555 timer chips. No transistors. No vacuum tubes. He only had coils, capacitors, mechanical contacters, and spark gaps.

So, what does Tesla's longitudinal electrostatic wave-front look like? It looks like a DC square-wave pulse train where the pulse repetition rate is one million impulses per second, the duty-cycle is 10% On and 90% OFF, and the voltage in each impulse is 50,000 volts DC or more. This is what Tesla wants the circuit to do. This is what he wants to create by the discharge of his capacitor stage in the circuit.

So, if the spark gap is his "circuit controller" then he only wants a "single crack" each time the capacitor discharges. Just a single, unidirectional impulse of electrostatic charge to proceed forward before the circuit shuts off again. Then, the capacitor can charge up again for the 900 nanoseconds the spark gap is quiet and then discharge all of the stored energy again in 100 nanoseconds. Then repeat indefinitely.

It creates a "staccato of electrostatic bursts." Don't make this mysterious, because it is not. It is no more difficult to understand than the output of a 555 timer chip. Its just that we are talking about very high voltage DC, and very high pulse repetition rates. What is difficult is finding the circuit components that allow you to create these conditions without self-destructing!

In my Tesla's Radiant Energy DVD I go through all of Tesla's patents and discuss the various methods he used. They included spark gaps quenched by magnets, spark gaps quenched by blasts of hot air, spark gaps in insulating oil, spark gaps across rotating contacters. All of these methods work to one degree or another.

In the 1920's, as vacuum tubes started becoming available, John Bedini and I are convinced that Tesla went to Lee DeForest and had him build the first experimental Thyratrons. This is a family of circuit controlling devices specifically designed to conduct a unidirectional impulse, only when triggered, and then automatically shut off when the voltage drops to ZERO. This is most easily seen today in the function of the Thyrister, the simplest of which is the SCR. The problem with SCRs today is that they are not designed to shut OFF fast enough for the purposes of these circuits.

I hope this helps.

Peter

Shad
05-15-2007, 08:53 PM
Thank you, Peter, for your detailed reply!

I am not a blind believer, but prefer to really understand things. Allow me to analyze some more this point.

I disagree with you, but this does not necessarily mean that I am right. It's not about my opinion, nor your opinion, but merely about the truth and scientific facts. Discussing with you, is meant to get there, to see the truth from the right angle. If I am wrong, please correct me!

Shad,

[QUOTE=Peter Lindemann;2397]
It creates a "staccato of electrostatic bursts." Don't make this mysterious, because it is not. It is no more difficult to understand than the output of a 555 timer chip. Its just that we are talking about very high voltage DC, and very high pulse repetition rates. What is difficult is finding the circuit components that allow you to create these conditions without self-destructing!

Peter

I think things are not that easy, that we can only talk about very high voltage DC, and very high pulse repetition rates. If it was that simple, we would not have to bother so much about inductive collapses, spark gaps, and could simply take a microwave oven and do the same :)

Tesla in his writing clearly says that this has nothing to do with AC or DC or very high pulse repetition rates. He describes the properties of dielectricity in neat details and I succeeded to reproduce some of these effects, to also practically convince myself that those were not merely some theories in Tesla's head, but they in fact function that way.

For example, Tesla says when a dielectric or electrostatic spark bolts in an air spark-gap it produces an ark, whereby even the air can heat up and light be caused. He described that light and heat are caused by 'molecular friction' of the air molecules, by charging and discharging. Frequencies with Millions of pulse repetition rates develop here.

My own experiment shows that really light and heat can be developed when an electrostatic spark bolts through the gap. No mystery for me here, rather easy to understand, although I was not really able to measure the frequencies, but I guess it must be quiet high. I even tried to move dielectric transformer oil or veggie oils by electrostatic discharge, as it is described in some of Tesla’s experiments. And – it works. The oil started rotating similar to a tornado. The discharges had a very striking effect on magnetic materials, such as slightly magnetic stainless steel, whereby even the electrodes dissociated. If the electrodes was put into a dielectric liquid, nothing would happen. Especially fast was the dissociation at the weld-seam. A specific kind of non-magnetic stainless steel in these remained unimpaired. Iron wire by the discharge of these electrostatic discharges heated up that quickly, as Tesla described it, whereby the non-magnetic stainless steel conducted without heating up.
Plastic in air will be shot through, like bombed by the sparks, shaving wholes as done by a molecular machine-gun.

So, all this won’t happen with AC or DC high voltage, as Tesla says in his writings – and I tried it, it really doesn’t work.

So, for me it is nothing mysterious if Tesla says that conductive gases, such as air and other should be avoided, because they destroy the material, causing energy losses.

He depicts his air-magnetic spark-gap as a compromise, because there losses are caused. The air molecules are charged and discharged and energy is lost as of light and warmth. He explains that if a better dielectrica was used, which would not allow the energy being ‘radiated away’ as light and warmth they system would be more efficient, which makes sense to me.

Maybe I am wrong, but to simply say scalar waves simply are high-voltage staccato DC, in my understanding is wrong. As you said yourself in your lectures Tesla described that what we understand as electrons are made of much smaller particles. He didn’t mystify and clearly said that current is made out of molecular electricity, positive and negative electrostatic charges. He claimed that if these two charges unite and cancel and if they are moved on, in the orbit a magnetic field will be caused. And this is the magnetic field in our current, AC or DC, or the magnetic field in permanent or electro-magnets.

My question now around these spark gaps was: how to reduce losses in a spark gap without unnecessarily waste dielectricity?

We saw the video from Dollard and it surely all works the way you described it, but I cannot accept that scalar-field are staccato very high pulse repetition rates.

Please don’t take my challenging opinion personal, this merely is a scientific discussion and analyzing with a friendly mind. No negative criticism.

Best of greetings,
Shad

lighty
05-16-2007, 01:23 AM
@Shad

I must concur with you about the fundamental difference between dielectric field transfer impulse and the electrons current impulse. The most obvious difference is that an dielectric impulse should not produce a movement of electrons in any way or at least reduce them to a minimum. The moment the arc is formed the electron current flow starts and the dielectric field consisting of monopoles is transformed or rather the monopoles are recombined into a dipole electrons thus all the energy is dissipated in the form of heat and light.

The thyratron is but a triggered switch and while it's suitable for transfer of high currents hydrogen's conductivity is allowing the electrons current to form thus effectively transforming and dissipating dielectric impulse into light and heat.

The analogy about DC square wave with short duty cycle is rather awkward because in the case of what Tesla called "discharge crack" (or rather the spark instead of arc) the duty cycle duration should be much shorter than 10%. Ideally the duty cycle duration should be infinitesimally short in order to facilitate the potential transfer before the monopoles recombination and electron current flow starts.

One of the ways is to prevent any form of arc forming while allowing the spark to discharge. As Tesla said, any kind of pre-discharge corona or glow forming is a good sign that the arc is going to form and basically it makes it a bad sign. So, one of the solutions was to use some form of magnetic spark disruptor which original purpose was to allow the spark to jump over but as soon as any arc would start to form a strong magnetic field between electrodes would simply disrupt it. In that way a strong electron flow would get significantly reduced and most of the discharge waveform ringing would be prevented as well as the potential and current backlash back to the condenser. We're of course talking about ideal circumstances and however well constructed the magnetic disruptor will not yield ideal results. In fact the results are far from ideal but much better than those obtained with the ordinary sparkgap both stationary and rotating.

Another, simpler way to prevent forming of arc and allowing the spark to jump is the use of the oil filled sparkgap in which the oil is serving the purpose of the dielectric which disallow the forming of strong arc (if the distance between electrodes is set correctly) and which closes the ionized path behind spark. The disadvantage of using this form of sparkgap is the fact that it can be used only at lower frequency range and with limited success compared with the magnetic disruptor. The advantage of using oil as an dielectric is the fact that in specific circumstances and configuration the dielectric discharge is being magnified with the dielectric itself. It can be than observed that a spark can then jump at much further distance and it's color is changed from blue to white while there are no temperature changes present whatsoever.

Let me be clear on this one- the magnetic disruptor sparkgap is far from ideal and it requires a heavy dose of tweaking with several parameters before it works correctly but it's certainly a definite improvement over the ordinary sparkgap. Tesla talked about infinitesimally (ideally) short impulses where no electron current is made possible. That's certainly cannot be achieved with a thyratron no matter how short the duty cycle is. Of course some effects will be noticed but that's far from the things Tesla described in his lectures.

That's my educated guess and opinion based on reading of Tesla and some practical experiments. Of course that doesn't mean I'm correct in all of my assertions and conclusions.

Peter Lindemann
05-16-2007, 05:20 AM
Gentlemen,

I agree with both of you completely. Perhaps the simplicity of my example was too extreme. I was trying to create an image to convey an idea. A DC square-wave was what Tesla was trying to create. But you are both correct, a simple chopped DC electron current was not Tesla's goal. The intermittent timed release of packets of electrostatic charge was the goal. We all agree on this.

We all understand the situation quite well. That you are both able to get into a detailed description of these circuit functions and describe them in your own words is EXCELLENT. That you are both so clear and confident in your knowledge that you feel free to challenge me, a person you believe to be an expert, is even more IMPRESSIVE. :thumbsup:

Tesla was the real expert. I do not consider myself an expert in this field. We are all just trying to understand what Tesla discovered. I am honored to be able to help you clarify your growing understanding. And that is the point. In the end, it will be YOUR UNDERSTANDING that you have. It is, in fact, impossible for me to convey my understanding to you. The real MEANING of things arises from within your own mind. It is not possible to transfer MEANING from person to person. There is no such thing as "teaching". There is only "learning" and the opportunity for it.

Personally, I do not believe that total agreement in these discussions is or should be the goal. Honest, intelligent men rarely agree on every detail of a scientific discussion. The goal is the free exchange of ideas and the ability to disagree in a civil manner, with mutual respect. In this regard, I am honored to share my thoughts with you.:notworthy:

Peter

Shad
05-16-2007, 06:15 PM
Dear Peter

Thanks for your nice words!

The purpose of this forum is to exchange ideas and realization, and to individually or jointly try to assemble the radiant-energy-jigsaw-puzzle, how it works, and how to practically use it, for oneself, the community and well-being in common.

I cannot call myself an expert, for 15 years I have 'theoretically' occupied with this subject matter, and still study on, this is never-ending - and the last eight years I do intensive research and experiments and have innovations on the field of radiant energy.

The theory in the head usually is easy and logical, but to then practically apply it is often full of obstacles and problems, and really hard work, accompanied by high financial investments.

So, it is not easy, but feasible.

Radiant energy is not only some spook in some free-energy-freaks’ brains but real energy! The fact that it is so hard to tap and convert this energy in my eyes only is a lack of knowledge, which in my case like a jigsaw-puzzle, which with the years gets more and more pieces and I receive a more and more clearer picture of the whole.

I think it is important that we, who have some slight clue of what radiant energy is, and also practically experiment with it, should also exchange and try to boot each other with this knowledge. We should also try to somehow spread the knowledge, because our environment is on the edge and we will leave a destroyed planet without solutions to our heirs.

Tom Bearden, John Bedini, Jeane Manning, Prof. Meyl, people like you, Peter, and some other researchers of this field who contribute are in my eyes are very significant, as they do not only ignorantly watch how things go on, but try to change something. If nothing more, than at least spread the knowledge, which is one of the most important things.

To add something to my mail from yesterday - in my practical experiments I realized that with dielectricity also fields can be build up, which are similar to magnetic fields, but much more in interaction with our ambient. The first time I observed this was in my experiments with my Neutrino-egg. When I pumped the water with high velocity through my neutrino-egg a dielectric field built up, which even blocked the current in nearby light bulbs. The lamps went off with a loud blow, and the fuses burned out. The pump that ran the Neutrino-egg was powered by a 12V battery, and was not connected to that bulb which ran on 220V from the grid. We taped the experiment on video and when my wife brought the lamp closer to the Neutrino-egg, so I could see better, it simply blew off.

The first time we thought this was chance, but it happen very often, and only if the lamp was brought closer to the unit, while this one ran at high velocity.
Back then I did not have any real explanation, why this happened. I back then also reported this to my friend Dr. Patrick Flanagan, who at this time sponsored my work. Also he was quiet baffled and could not really explain the effect. And Dr. Patrick Flanagan back then and still today is THE expert on radiant energy. Later then I learned when a dielectrica charges, it builds up a field, which can even move magnetic fields.

So the field was that strong, that it blocked the current flow in that light-bulb. Dielectric materials have some kind of permeability for dielectricity, as I see. This would also explain the moving of oil in my experiments. From this it is evident to me that matter is full with these dielectric charges and if such charges are created one has influence on the matter through this energy, whereby the electric energy which we use in our everyday lives is limited only to conductive materials and electromagnetic devices that can receive it.

Dielectricity can influence everything, all matter without exception. The nicest about this is that our atmosphere and our Earth are charged from space with this kind of energy, and that we only have to find a profitable way to tap and apply it.

So please, if someone has ideas or wants to add something to this jigsaw puzzle, please stand up now and post it here, share it. If this is too public, also private exchange is possible. I know that there are many readers here that do not like to see this energy become applied for the broad masses…

Best regards,
Shad

lighty
05-16-2007, 11:01 PM
Dielectric materials have some kind of permeability for dielectricity, as I see. This would also explain the moving of oil in my experiments.


While a strong whirling motion of liquid dielectric as well as it's movement in upward direction (against gravity) was interesting enough, even more impressive was the spark discharge magnification effect which proved that polarized and over-saturated dielectric produce a strong dielectric field in it's own vicinity which can significantly elongate the spark discharge in it's vicinity up to several hundred percent. The effect of such magnified discharge could be felt a meter and half away directly on the skin and hair as the sudden change of pressure of the surrounding media. The same device spark discharge without the dielectric magnification effect produced an effect that could hardly be felt even as close as several centimeters from the point of discharge.

The other effect that I observed only once was in the vicinity of such discharges when an ordinary incandescent lightbulb (with resistive filament and no high vacuum) started to grow it's intensity of light to a significant degree. Even a few days later and after the lightbulb was moved to another location it showed that same stronger light volume which had a different nature of it's visible spectrum much more like a neon or xenon lamp. Regrettably I was clumsy enough to break the bulb after only but a short measurement of it's resistive values (which was within the normal tolerances). To my great disappointment we were never able to reproduce that effect again. :(


Anyway- I agree with both of you that a scientific discussion must be civilized and often people can only agree to disagree. In fact in science the worst enemy of the further advancement is superego of the scientists who neglect to see beyond their own theories while basking in it's own self-importance. The other enemy is the complacency and worshiping of such people by followers who accept everything the "authority" says without rationally questioning rationale behind their statements. I for one can accept somebody's point of view only if that person backs it up with well explained arguments. Anything other than that is a blind leap of faith.

That being said I think we should continue our discussion of radiant energy in hope that something constructive might come out of it. ;)

Peter Lindemann
05-17-2007, 11:08 PM
Gentlemen,

Thank you both for volunteering some of your original experimental findings. Most interesting! I had not heard of any of these effects before, and would like to learn more.

Shad, please tell us more about your "neutrino-egg" device. What is it? How do you run it? What is its primary purpose, since extinguishing light bulbs at a distance was an unexpected side-effect? Have you come to a deeper understanding of the effect at this point?

Lighty, have you discovered or theorized a reason for the light bulbs unusual behavior yet?

These are both important discoveries, only experimentation could uncover. No amount of brilliant logic could have predicted these events.

I salute you both! :cheers:

Peter

Shad
05-18-2007, 08:26 AM
Hi Peter et all

Please see my answers below.

Shad, please tell us more about your "neutrino-egg" device. What is it?

It is a device in which a neutrino-diffusion-process occurs.
I gave it the name according to the theory of Prof. DDr. Meyl (www.k-meyl.de) who claims that neutrinos are scalar-waves, such as Dr. Tesla had described them.

It received the ‘nickname’ neutrino-egg from Stefan Hartmann from Berlin (www.overunity.com), after he viewed and published video-material of my experiment.
The first Neutrino-diffuser (ND) was egg-shaped.

In simple words, the dielectric charges in this device are converted to mechanical energy.

What is its primary purpose, since extinguishing light bulbs at a distance was an unexpected side-effect?

The main purpose if my ND is to convert liquids from their liquid state of aggregation to gaseous.
You can see a very simple description on my (purposely simple) website:
http://www.geocities.com/waterpowers/FuelCracker.html

I cannot give any further technical data to this device as I am bound by contract I have with industry. But the physics I can reveal is much more important than the technical data.

How do you run it?

With a pump. My toy model was run a windscreen-water-pump for cars, ca. 12V/10W.
Gasoline, kerosene, diesel or even water are converted to gas - the process is cold, no heating/warming effects. This process is highly efficient; to achieve the same results with heat or mechanical energy one would have to invest ca. 5x more energy.
Gas can be produce on demand.

Have you come to a deeper understanding of the effect at this point?

Yes, and this is the important part of this message.

The atoms have a dielectric charge, not electromagnetic, as we all might have learned in school. The electromagnetic charge is produced by the manipulation or proper interaction of these dielectric charges. The atoms communicate among each other and are in constant exchange with this energy. They vibrate or oscillate and in this way become sender and receiver of this energy. They have a memory on how much energy they received and sent off. The atoms are a kind of ‘cosmic wind-mills’, which constantly absorb energy from vacuum, transform it and ‘radiate it off’. (forgive my funny English…)

If the atoms are artificially triggered, as an example here, in a mechanical way with molecular friction and fluid-dynamics, they will absorb a much higher amount of dielectric charges and ‘radiate it off’.

Water for example has a specific permeability and capacity on how much charge it can take, before it discharges. Thereby a very big dielectric field is created, composed of these charges, which absorbs water molecules from the ambient, in this special case from the air. The higher the frequency of the triggered molecules, the more charge will be absorbed by the water molecules.

You can even measure how much dielectric charge for example a water drop has got. A simple way here would be the Lord Kelvin water drop-experiment. This link shows a simple way to verify this: []Lord Kelvin&rsquo;s Water Drop Experiment Demonstrator - Science Kit (http://sciencekit.com/product.asp?pn=IG0020117&bhcd2=1179474804).

One can measure how much dielectric energy a water drop has in its normal condition and after being artificially triggered. These dielectric charges or fields are a great resistance for electrons, current-flow, magnetic fields, etc. or vice versa. If the dielectric field is strong enough, it will repel or ban electromagnetic from its ambient.

The field in the ND was strong enough to block the current flow in the bulb.

The most important to understand is, that our Earth, our atmosphere are full of these dielectric charges, and that they can be tapped and be bundled to a field, which can be used for mechanical work, similar to magnetic fields we use now.

These dielectric charges are monopole (also called unipolar) charges and attract their opposite pole and same-poled charged repel one another. They act like tiny monopole magnets.

If one creates strong (unipolar) dielectric fields they will attract opposite-poled dielectric charges from the ambient, may it be earth or air, or will repel the charge if it same-poled.
These charges are able to transform matter from one element to the other, as for example water to air, whereby water would expands for ca. 2000x. Today we use nuclear power plants to generate heat and steam to produce pressure which runs steam turbines.

Dielectric charges can create the same pressure by converting the element water to air. But it is also possible, but I haven’t tried this, to convert air in the same with dielectric charges to vacuum or gravity fields. I met the engineer of Viktor Schauberger, who still is alive, he was present when Schauberger made these levitation experiments. In the future when time, place and circumstances will allow me, I will try to replicate these experiments, since I already was able to do part of it.
As you can see the dielectric charges can be used for mechanical or practical work.

In my eyes and understanding the bolt of lighting hides the key to free energy. The one who will profoundly analyze this will find a way how to tap dielectric negative energy from the earth.

Best regards,
Shad

lighty
05-18-2007, 02:37 PM
Lighty, have you discovered or theorized a reason for the light bulbs unusual behavior yet?

As I said I have ran into a bit of a problem while trying to replicate the effect. I know that several conditions seems to be significant.

1. Lightbulb was turned on while exposed to the strong changing dielectric field. I tried exposing lightbulbs with no power supply connected but no luck so there.
2. The electrostatic machine and the lightbulb were connected to the same wall outlet so they shared mutual phase and ground.
3. The lightbulb was exposed to the strong changing dielectic field for prolonged length of time (15-20 minutes).
4. Since the lighbulb had an isolated metal shield around it (like in the normal table lamps) there could be that some kind of capacitive coupling occurred during the exposure to the strong changing dielectric field.

As I said previously- we had several similar lightbulbs to compare it with, no visible changes appeared on the glass and the resistance of the filament remained within normal tolerance compared to the other similar lightbulbs available to me.

The nature of light emitted was very much like the xenon lamps and the intensity of light was almost 50% stronger. In fact it was a 100W lightbulb that gave light as a 150W type.

The effect stayed consistent even when the lightbulb was moved to another location and even after a few days. The effect was so noticeable that a colleague of mine who didn't know the whole story asked me why did I replaced my table lamp lightbulb with such a bright and more powerful one.

Before I managed to accidentally break the lamp I haven't had time to measure it's temperature (I think it was as hot as a normal 100W lamp but I cannot be sure now) or spectrum of emitted light. What a shame!



It seems that as with the Shad's Neutrino Diffusor's resonator a several precise and very particular demands must be met before the effect can be reproduced. Shad spent years of his life perfecting the construction of ND and to be honest after the lightbulb broke I simply didn't spend much more time reconstructing the proper conditions needed to reproduce the lightbulb effect. My point is that as opposed to the ND which is fully understood and reproducible if one observe several seemingly unimportant and precise details in order to get it to work the lightbulb effect was a fluke yet to be understood. In fact at that time so many more interesting dielectricity effects presented themselves that the lightbulb incident was of minor interest to me.


However, my theory is that the vacuum dielectric in the lightbulb was excited with the heat and EM radiation from the AC current in a way that allowed for the strong changing dielectric field to polarize dielectric (vacuum or even glass although my bet lies with the former one) permanently in a way that would allow the heat or EM radiation from AC current to excite it even further. In fact I suspect that to a certain point the lightbulb started to behave like a discharge tube of low pressure but with a heat and EM radiation of AC current as the exciting agents.

That's all of course a wild speculation. Further experiments should be done in order to be able to reproduce the effect and the one could measure temperature, light spectrum, power consumption, EM field as well as dielectric field in order to determine what is really going on.

Shad
05-28-2007, 10:30 AM
Dear Peter, Lighty, and all

I would like to add something to my last message and am curious to hear your opinion.
In my understanding the universe also is a universe of frequencies (broad band of frequencies). Each element is a frequency occupying a band width of space. Groups or combinations of elements can, as a unit, cover a broader band width of space.

The atom is a manifestation and is both positive and negative in character; therefore, space also has two basic properties that is, positive and negative.

Atom energy, or any other energy derived from changing the form or state of physical material, is energy taken from atomic structure.

With the right theory it is possible to tap energy in abundance from the driver of the atom (space energy) without taking it from atomic structure.

Atomic power with its penalty of contamination is not necessary, as the basic atomic energy can be tapped before it is material substance. Then there are no contaminations or harmful side effects, because nothing is destroyed and because the energy is only used, even as the wind is used by the windmill.

Radiant energy in my opinion is a result of distorted and nonlinear space and energy in common is a result of distorted space.

As example:
Magnetism is a distortion of space, a distortion within the atomic structure of the magnet material or copper coil which extends into the space surrounding it.

As an illustration, we consider an undistorted area of space before us. We move an activated magnet into this area of space and the result is that this previously undistorted and linear space is now. That is, two poles exist in relation to the magnet; an N pole and an S pole.

At the N pole we have a lack of S pole and at the S pole we have a lack of N pole. Or, at each end of the magnet, we have a lack of balanced space. In other words, distorted space, (a low pressure area) now exists at each pole.

Any non-polarized material within the band width of magnetism and electricity
(a paramagnetic material) will migrate to the low pressure area at either pole, while a polarized object (another magnet) will demonstrate the law of opposites attracting and similars repelling each other. The above theory of expansion and/or contraction holds true as cause of magnetism in all types of permanent magnets or electromagnets.

An inductive collapse of a coil, the so-called collapsing field could now be described as space returning back to linearity with a slap. That is the positive and the negative closing in from opposite directions and filling a rapidly diminishing area and then suddenly coming together; perhaps even bringing about a slight crossing of bands, or a short circuit of electric space which would be like a miniature bolt of lightning.
The collapsing field of an electromagnet is a distortion of ether/vacuum space which is elastic in his property and cause of the resulting mono-polar electrostatic charge.

In this way it is possible to tap energy in abundance from the driver of the atom (space energy) without taking it from atomic structure. This is why I like to describe the atom like a cosmic energy windmill.

Best of greetings,
Shad

DandDMan
08-25-2007, 09:57 PM
I was not sure if this should be posted as its own topic. However, my question deals with the topic discussed.

I want to power a miniature tesla coil using the short duration, high voltage transient created when the current powering an inductor is shut off. I'm hoping to get the a voltage high enough to jump a spark gap or perhaps a high voltage diode; to make the pulse unidirectional.

So my question is how can I generate the highest possible potential spike?

A very rapid shut off. Device suggestions?

Now the coil. Iron or air core? Higher or lower inductance? I would think a very long air inductor would be best. Is this correct? Is a single layer or multi-layer coil best? Is a flat coil better for higher voltages spikes?

I would love to hear any suggestions you can offer.

Thanks!

amigo
08-25-2007, 10:57 PM
Hi Shad, et al,

I just read your post above about ND process and it made me think of something I read in the past, though it might not be what you are doing here with scalar waves, but it refers to a paper from Dr. Andrija Puharic in which he is using vibrations to split molecules, basically creating a more efficient electrolysis process to create fuel:

http://www.keelynet.com/keely/puha1.txt

Oh and I'd be interested to hear more about your ideas and findings on Schauberger and the levitation experiments (hehe I'm obsessed with propulsion)...

Regards.

FEstudent
09-23-2007, 06:00 AM
I did construct a small tesla coil once. I powered it with a twelve volt lead-acid battery and used a vibrating aquarium air pump to make and break
the battery power going to the automotive coil primary. They call it a kicker coil arrangement. This charged the capacitor of the primary circuit. Sparks off the secondary were like half an inch long, but a good 2 inch plasma when a clear light bulb was connected. When my ignition burner transformer arrived
in the mail, it was so powerful that I never looked back to the kicker setup.
Never heard of radiant energy back then.

FEstudent
09-23-2007, 06:20 AM
More on topic:
While watching the dvd Tesla Radiant energy, the term Neutral Aether
popped up a few times. How can the aether be neutral if it makes these
voltages? I suppose it does seem like a neutral particle of air, if it can be blown on the top of oil to cause a 2 inch depression. This is stated in the paper: On the Dissipation of the Electrical Energy of the Hertz resonator.
google this paper. Tesla insists its like air.

Does anyone know where to get the Prof. Bjerknes article mentioned by Tesla in this paper. Seems like this air caused by a sudden discharge moved these diaphrams. Think the article is in 1893 issue of Telephone Magazine. Can't find anywhere, but I see a snipet on google books.

FEstudent
09-24-2007, 04:37 AM
Notice the huge difference in the quality of the spark.
Notice the multiple spark gap: Tesla said you could use this instead of the
magnet disrupter type. Doesn't seem to improve AC operation. Must be
used with DC. Notice the giant 10 to 20 henry choke to power the primary cap. I think this is to simulate using an actual DC generator. Notice the giant resisters. I think this is to slow down the charging of the primary capacitor. Tesla said it shouldn't be charged too fast or an arc will form instead of a pulse. Roger said the unit won't work without the big choke
and the resisters. Both are needed. Comments?

YouTube - Small DC Tesla Coil 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzfPSqR1XWA&mode=related&search=)

Compare to cover of Secrets of Cold Electricity. White flimmering but I don't see the blue dartlets. Is there radiant energy at work here?

LutherG
11-09-2007, 05:16 PM
Hello,

I'm relatively new to the group - I joined back when this forum was just getting going but got off into other things for awhile... I just want to say that this forum is about the best I've seen anywhere. Dr. Lindemann, your explanations are superb! FINALLY - there is a place where real discussions take place and I've not seen one person reprimanded for asking a question... and the answers are indeed clear and concise! What a joy it is to read these posts!

Further, I'd just like to say that the DVD's on Understanding Tesla and Electric Motor Secrets are outstanding and I've learned a great deal from them.

I'll definately be spending more time here!

Many thanks and best regards to all,

Luther

elias
11-09-2007, 05:29 PM
:welcome:

Hi Luther,
I have been a member of this forum for some time, I can assure you that you have certainly joined with the most wonderful people you can imagine.
I have benefited sooooo much here.

About Radiant Energy my conclusion is as follows:
Radiant Energy termed by Tesla is the essence of all energies in the universe, and it is composed of male and female energies. Every thing in the universe is using it to maintain its existence and what we term as time comes forth.

Many terms have been developed over time for it: Chi, Qi, Prana, Aetheric Energy, Life Energy, BioEnergy, Superlight, Orgone, Gravition, Virtual Vacuum Flux, Soul (Middleeastern view), ...

But it is all the same ...

See http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1233-superlight.html

With Love .... :grindaisy:

albertMunich
12-10-2007, 08:28 PM
Hello,

I would also like to say this is a fascinating discussion! Now I'm still at the beginning of all this but I think it's time this energy form should be rediscovered.
Apparently Tesla had it all a hundred years ago.

I'd like to ask Dr Lindemann or some of you other knowledgeable guys a few things- please excuse my poor English:

You certainly are familiar with the experiment Mr Bedini shows in the Energy from the Vacuum DVD where he lights a neon bulb between ground and the plastic cover of a battery under charge. Now this is a solid state charger, not a rotor type machine. I wonder if the same thing would happen on the big rotary machine charging the 1600amp hour bank?
This really got me thinking along the lines the RotoVerter guys have always stated: Radiant energy IS RF energy. Probably thats why it is somewhat "arcane" since many of us -myself the first-have no idea of RF circuit design and engineering.
The Rotoverter guys say it's a standing wave which forms nodes where voltage and current are out of phase. So there's points in the circuit where current is zero and voltage is maximized and other nodes where it's the reverse. This dephasing of voltage and current explains why the radiant effect is arriving BEFORE the current arrives in the circuit.
I run a five coil machine and have examined the spikes going to the battery. When I expand them on the scope I see a very fast oscillation instead of a spike.
I have also found that I can take a coil off the machine while it's running and it will work just as well on the "operating table". I have made a "recovery coil" with about a kg of 0.6 mm wire and the same iron core I use on the other coils. When I held this next to the core of the coil on the table, a neon bulb would light in my hand when I touched one of the wires of the recovery coil.
And yet, on the surface all that was going into the coil was the PWM signal that drove the power coil. No electric shock at all.
so I guess that there is definitely a lot of RF around in these circuits. Perhaps Mr Bedini has invented a low impedance tesla transformer by using a bifilar coil? Especially with an open air core coil this seems logical to me. A one to one coil yet it can oscillate. But no extremely high voltage is produced since we have the same amount of turns in primary and secondaries.
Yet this does not explain the battery charging effect....

Here is an image of the wave I get when I connect across the battery.

Thanks for sharing all your knowledge here!

Albert

albertMunich
12-10-2007, 08:30 PM
Sorry, the upload did not work on the first post. Here it is.
Albert

Aaron
12-16-2007, 08:15 AM
Someone wrote me after I posted a msg about my book and this is the most appropriate thread for this:

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Hi,

Great, thank you.

Quantum concepts apply at every single level but concepts such as relativity do not apply at the quantum level.

The premise of my book is that there is a medium that light travels through in "vacuum" space. It is the virtual
photon sea of potential with infinite positive and negative "particles" in a constant flux. From that, many things
can be logically deduced by very known principles, some theoretical and some mere hypothesis or speculation.

The book walks someone through seeing what the "aether" is, how any piece of matter is acting as a dipole
to break the normally symmetrical personality of the aether into asymmetrical movement to turn literal
quantum potential into work that can be measured in joules. I link together this concept to show the interaction
and what makes the mass of an object and even how it causes the effect of gravitation and how it pushes us
to the ground. Anything with mass displaces the aether and the aether rebounds back to where it was displaced.
Any mass on the way will have it's protons resist this aetheric rebounding effect pushing it towards the center
of the displaced mass. That is why we're pushed to the ground. I show it in action with inertia and what the
effect of time really is....in the world according to me..LOL

All these concepts seamlessly link together without contradicting each other...at least to my limited knowledge.
I show how the battery acting as a dipole is really receiving its source charge from vacuum space and not the
electrolytes. The electrolytes only create a separation in charges when the battery is "charged" so that the
potential difference at the terminals break the symmetry of the virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical
vacuum. This particular concept I am simply doing my best to paraphrase Tom Bearden in simple terms and
with simple diagrams so most people can get it even if they never have heard of "free energy."

Once the potential is asymmetrically broken, it moves over the wires (the voltage potential in a circuit) and
how it is the initiator of electron current (electrons donated by the copper atoms themselves and not from
the battery or source dipole). And how to pulse the potential on a circuit without causing the electrons to
flow...currentless electricity just using the voltage potential side of it. I briefly describe some of my experiments
and how I applied these concepts and got results from the Bedini SG type circuits and from the Stan Meyer
WFC type circuits.

One of my friends told me the book could be called "Bearden for Dummies" LOL

It isn't just for energy technology buffs, it is for people who are interested in spirituality and consciousness
and where the potential from consciousness comes from. Also, how a circuit can output more than you have
to put into it...the rest comes free from nature. Many of these concepts aren't new to people in the "overunity"
field if they have been following people like Bearden, Bedini, and Lindemann. But, I think it really gives a
simple perspective of all of this put together in a nice simple model that just plain makes sense for the
most part.

I don't claim this to be 100% true and accurate but I think you'll have to agree after reading a copy that
it really does bring a few things together.

Anyway, I'm going to post my reponse to you here in my forum at www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy
so others in the free energy field can know more about how the book relates to what they're interested in.
Feel free to join the forum, there is no charge. If you don't get approved quick, then just PM me through the
forum, my username is aaron and I'll approve you asap.

My email is getting backed up from all the response and that is why I want to post my response in the forum
to point people to.

Take care,
Aaron

Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 07:15:07 -0800
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com
Subject: Re:The Quantum Key - describes what radiant energy/ voltage potential i
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com

Hey, how are you ?

I just read your message you posted at the wfcy2k group.
I am very interested in practical applications for the quantum theory.

I am an inventor and I am always very curious about universal laws and how can we bennefit from them.
Would you mind telling me a bit more about you and these ideas you're talking about ?

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albertMunich
12-16-2007, 05:24 PM
Zhanks for the plug for your book, but could someone perhaps write an answer to my questions? Thank you!

albert

Schpankme
12-16-2007, 08:25 PM
The premise of my book is that there is a medium that light travels through in "vacuum" space.

... my ... book could be called "Bearden for Dummies"

... it is for people who are interested in spirituality and consciousness

I don't claim this to be 100% true and accurate ...

Aaron,

How does your 'concept' of Radiant Energy compare with Longitudinal waves ?

What does spirituality and consciousness have to do with Radiant Energy ?

- Schpankme

Aaron
12-16-2007, 08:28 PM
Albert,

I don't have experience with rotoverter except that it isn't free energy. It is a power factor correction modification. Someone else can answer your full question better.

Aaron
12-16-2007, 09:34 PM
Aaron,

How does your 'concept' of Radiant Energy compare with Longitudinal waves ?

What does spirituality and consciousness have to do with Radiant Energy ?

- Schpankme

Hi,

The potential or voltage potential is the radiant part and if we can direct it without closing the loop and causing "electron current" to flow, then it travels longitudinally. It is instantaneous transfer from one "place" to another "place."

The body and it's nervous system operates on longitudinal impulses. When you feel something by touching it with your finger, your brain is registering it BEFORE you actually touch it so that there is a time delay taken into account so that you have sensation of touching it in live time. The sensory information is sent to your finger before you actually touch it to give the impression that everything is in time. This is a superluminal time-reversal phenomenon.

Below the belly and in front of the spine, there is a capacitor that holds about 80% of our on board life force potential and the other 20% is being utilized by normal functioning. In Chinese, that capacitor is called the Dan Tien or the "Sea of Qi." Qi, Ki, Prana, Breath of Life, Life Force, etc... are exactly radiant energy...it is the virtual photon potential of vacuum space/time. The subconscious mind operates from the spine near this area and there is a lot of grey and white matter exactly like what is in the brain. This is where the "gut feeling" comes from.

None of the electrical action in the body comes from the chemicals, etc... When there is a chemical action in the body in a cell for example to pump in certain nutrients and pump out others, the chemical action is essentially causing a dipole effect to break the symmetry of the potential in its vicinity in order to cause the potential to move causing "electrical action."

Radiant Energy is the potential is the life force energy
A capacitor can hold a certain amount of the radiant gas and so can the body
Also as living organisms - human beings - are open non-equilibrium thermodynamic systems, we also have open access to a constant influx of potential to replace any potential dissipated from work done by us.

The infinite sea in 3d time/space filled with infinite potential...the infinite potential is what makes up the collective unconscious mind. It is a recording medium that maintains our memory. Our memory is not stored in our brain but in the collective/matrix itself. For each connection made in our brain, it is a known variable in the collective what piece of data that connection corresponds to in the collective. If the memory was in our brain, there would be nothing that carries on when we die and I believe there is, because it isn't recorded by anything physical.

Technical Remote Viewing quantifiable proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we can access info that isn't in our brain but that resides in the collective... you can see some of my older practice sessions here to see what I mean... I had no idea was I was viewing until after I was done. The data comes out pretty raw.
http://www.energeticforum.com/psychic-paranormal/540-basic-trv-sessions.html

Also Bearden's Radionics-Action at a Distance video he discusses a lot of this. There is one case of a man who graduated with a degree in mathematics in the UK. He had no brain in his head...totally water and not much more than a brain stem.

With spirituality, lessening our individual conscious thinking mind so that we are more in a state of pure being (like were were before our judgment mind perceived that we are an individual personality separate from God - the original sin in my opinion). This is one of my main personal spiritual goals. Becoming one with the infinite potential basically.

I know I went on some tangents. My 2nd book that I'm about 30% done with (before editing) focuses more on the mind/consciousness/synchronicity, etc... and how it all ties back to the concepts in the first one that spells out what the potential is.

Anyway, I hope that helps a bit.

Schpankme
12-17-2007, 12:27 AM
Hi,

... before our judgment mind perceived that we are an individual personality separate from God - the original sin in my opinion ...


Aaron,

I agree with much of what you wrote, and agree that Bearden has it right, more people should read his work and that of Evans. As to the word - GOD - this is a man made word to enslave the minds and the will of the people. One does not worship man to free the mind.

- Schpankme

Aaron
12-17-2007, 01:20 AM
I agree that language is the tool to enslave the mind and keep people locked in chains. When I say God, I refer to the innate infinite beingness that exists universally and transitioning from a perspective of individuality to this beingness is what I refer to.

theremart
12-18-2007, 02:01 AM
Hi,

I have looked at several threads here, and I have watched the video "Energy from the Vacuum". In that video John takes a lightbulb and shows that radient energy flows thru plastic. I have seen others here show this in a photograph with the aluminum heat sync.

My question is under what conditions does this happen, does this only show up with 24V? In the film John shuts off the energizer and the light goes off. I am wondering what was the wattage of the bulb used and type was this a neon or led?

Thanks!

( PS I personally am a Christian, and believe that God is not a man made creation but I belive this is outside the scope of this thread. )

peace

Aaron
12-18-2007, 05:53 AM
I believe the bulb is 90v neon bulb with the 2 skinny wire leads coming out. I have no idea the wattage of the bulb spec.

(just the word God made by man but not the concept it represents, which would be different based on each person's perspective - the descriptions on the superlight posts pretty much vibe for me)

albertMunich
12-18-2007, 11:27 AM
I believe this neon test is most important. this shows that we have a RF component to the signal that goes to the battery. (skin effect).

theremart
12-18-2007, 04:53 PM
Ok,

Well I have tried the neon bulb to the same areas that John tried and I did not have success. Maybe I need a better ground?

Yes since I don't have an oscilloscope, I was hoping to use this method to determine the quantity of radiant energy.

Thanks for the input.

quantum2007
12-19-2007, 03:38 AM
I’m a newbie to this chat area, but have been following along and reading the messages. I have a question thought. Is there a difference between a circuit that produces; a radiant event in a coil or motor/generator, a Tesla coil, or that produced by a WhimHurst or static machine. In other words, these all appear to be static producing, radiant energy devices. What is the difference if any?

Is not one static or static dielectric field the same as the other? The only difference being the machine that produces it, and the similarity being a high tension static field? With little or no current as possible. I would think then that a static machine like the whimhurst would be the perfect radiant energy producer available?

Thank you for your responses in advance!:color:

redcar1957
12-19-2007, 07:43 PM
Aaron

What machine are you working on
at present ????
Thanks Kevin:thinking:

quantum2007
12-19-2007, 10:01 PM
Where’s the radiant?

It’s leading the current by 90 deg. The current is lagging 90 deg behind in a coil, and the speed of the voltage is fairly infinite. So the voltage spike has already done everything before current even gets to the coil. This wave form was a snapshot from my digital scope which I could see exactly what was going on in my motor (a sort of hybrid), in any case after two weeks of thinking about it I finally came to this conclusion. :suprise:

Update: K, after thinking about it, it's on the negitive side of the wave form, but does not disclude the positve radient, :wall: Maybe there are two types...

Anyway, after polarity switch, which is what everyone seems to be saying..
:rofl:

Aaron
12-20-2007, 06:29 AM
Hi Kevin,

One is a water fuel cell that I haven't released any details on and another coming together soon is an SG with a modification that hasn't been released either. Must have results to post before saying anything.

gabriolaman
12-21-2007, 08:45 AM
i was doing some experiments with voltage step up and so on and i can across an odd effect i was pulsing a step up transformer with 6 dc and then i had a neon hooked to the suppose'ed negative with both pins i might add the suppose'ed positive was not connected and if i touched the neon glass the gas would light up and even follow my finger what the heck is going on with that was it some kinda radiant energy effect?

heres a vid


http://www.youtube.com/v/b72Qs3lqtY8

quantum2007
12-21-2007, 08:57 PM
my two cents worth...
I think your finger is acting as a ground plane, plus it's also injecting 60hz into the tube, which just match's the ignition point of the gas. best guess.:thinking:

gabriolaman
12-21-2007, 09:09 PM
well im pulsing it at like 2.3k+ hz
tell me more of this 60 hz injecting
its weird tho how it finds a ground right through the glass

quantum2007
12-21-2007, 09:28 PM
The pulsing of 2.3khz is for the coil I presume, this is not what i'm talking about. 60hz exists everywhere, our body's pick it up all the time, it's the frequency of north American power lines (wall socket), however our body's act as an antenna to it and other frequency's, if you stick your finger on a scope probe it shows up right away.

Have you ever played with a plasma bulb? They work from the inside and look for a conduction ground plane outside. you can put your hand on the glass and the high voltage goes right to your finger... very cool!:D

http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/plasmaballs2.htm

gabriolaman
12-21-2007, 09:59 PM
i never have played with a plasma globe there neat ive seen on youtube ppl burn through paper with a pin and penny and light lightbulbs
now i add a voltage multiplier lights the neon better but i cant get it to run on one wire i wish i had some mini stainless tube to make a mini meyers cell
:cheers:

quantum2007
12-22-2007, 02:53 AM
For stainless steal I like to hunt around -Car salvage yards, metal salvage yards, metal salvage stores. recycle yards. If your just experimenting and don’t care about shape, try metal things around the house like utensils, broken or fractured tools that you don’t care about, some of these contain stainless steel. On a budget? I like going to the “one buck” and “reusable” type stores.. here you can find bargains galore. The reusable type stores are the best for finding odds and ends, tools and electronics for a few bucks, most of which contain valuable parts inside which aren’t even made any more, like old radios and the like. As for stainless steel, you can substitute temporarily with another metal, just to see if things work they way they should. Later you can then use the real thing.:D

Have Fun!

Karl_Palsness
12-22-2007, 06:42 AM
Hear is my mini Myers cell, the Battery next to it is a aaa.

karl

albertMunich
12-22-2007, 12:38 PM
Hello,
I am answering to Aarons explanation of radiant energy. well, more questions come up here....
IF we succeed in tapping this as a new energy source- for the moment there is only a bunch of toy sized models of these machines around-what will happen to the environment?
the first reaction of one of my friends when I showed him the Bedini machine was: "What will happen when we make one that is the size of a house?"

When this is scaled up, running everywhere on the planet- will this drain our life force or do damage to other beings in other places we don't know of?

AND: I always wonder if we will not draw some unwanted attention to this little obscure planet of ours. ...
this is more philosophical than technical, but it might throw a light on some things-for instance the fact that the Methernitha group in Switzerland got scared of the possible effect they might unleash when getting their scaled up testatika to run...this is -I have heard at least- the reason why they stopped working on it.
Another possibility with radiant energy is the uncontrolled runaway situation that might cause an enormous sudden surge of power into the device. Causing immediate destruction of the machine and possibly even a lighting strike. It happened to Bob Boyce with his electrolyser.

I am trying to get a picture of what we will gain when we use this new technology.

I wishe everyone on the forum a happy holiday season!

Albert

elias
12-22-2007, 02:22 PM
Hello,
I am answering to Aarons explanation of radiant energy. well, more questions come up here....
IF we succeed in tapping this as a new energy source- for the moment there is only a bunch of toy sized models of these machines around-what will happen to the environment?
the first reaction of one of my friends when I showed him the Bedini machine was: "What will happen when we make one that is the size of a house?"

When this is scaled up, running everywhere on the planet- will this drain our life force or do damage to other beings in other places we don't know of?

AND: I always wonder if we will not draw some unwanted attention to this little obscure planet of ours. ...
this is more philosophical than technical, but it might throw a light on some things-for instance the fact that the Methernitha group in Switzerland got scared of the possible effect they might unleash when getting their scaled up testatika to run...this is -I have heard at least- the reason why they stopped working on it.
Another possibility with radiant energy is the uncontrolled runaway situation that might cause an enormous sudden surge of power into the device. Causing immediate destruction of the machine and possibly even a lighting strike. It happened to Bob Boyce with his electrolyser.

I am trying to get a picture of what we will gain when we use this new technology.

I wishe everyone on the forum a happy holiday season!

Albert

Hi Albert,

Well, I don't think so, I believe that this energy (Radiant Energy) is dynamic and is pouring unto us like a waterfall, and never ends. This is certainly the energy all of us use daily, all of the plants and animals use. If it were so this energy would have been exhausted a long time ago, but this energy pours onto us endlessly and is a blessing from our creator. Gravity never ends?! because it is based upon this energy. You can take a look at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1233-superlight.html for more info.

Hope this helps ...

Elias

Jetijs
12-22-2007, 03:22 PM
I agree to elias. I have heard of many cases when people who are near these devices (joecells, Searl effect generators, moe-joe cells) experience good feelings and vitality even healing effects. For example, John Searl was able to heal his face burns in very short time just by sitting near his generator when it was operating. Doctors could not explain that. Although if not properly tuned, the cells could also radiate out DOR or negative side of the orgon/aether.

Sephiroth
12-22-2007, 03:32 PM
mind if I join this philosophical debate? :D

To be honest I don't know whether harnessing this energy will affect us spiritually. Most of us agree that the energy is very much like (or even identical to) chi, the life force.

We also agree that it is (as far as we can tell) limitless.

However, subtle things appear to affect our relationship with the life force. It depends on what you believe here but for example if you believe in Feng Sui then something as simple as having a fountian in one corner of your room can greatly improve this relationship.

And if you believe in astrology, then even subtle gravitational forces from distant planets and stars appear to affect this relationship as well.

so it isn't unlikely that these devices, that strongly interact with this energy, may affect us as well. These effect could be benificial or detrimental.

As tesla noted certain frequencies could cause a stinging sensation even at a distance and other frequencies gave the feeling of euphoria.

I don't believe that they will suck the life force out of us, though i do wonder what influence they may have. Definatly worth researching though first we need to better our understanding of these forces before we can draw any conclusions.

gabriolaman
12-22-2007, 06:39 PM
i think these devices must be safe as tom b. said the energy comes from virtual protons and they force out this energy in an unusable form we are just transforming it to usable energy turning the battery in to a receiver for what is floating around all the time for any receiver to use ie the human body the earth everything

Aaron
12-22-2007, 08:32 PM
Hello,
I am answering to Aarons explanation of radiant energy. well, more questions come up here....
IF we succeed in tapping this as a new energy source- for the moment there is only a bunch of toy sized models of these machines around-what will happen to the environment?
the first reaction of one of my friends when I showed him the Bedini machine was: "What will happen when we make one that is the size of a house?"

When this is scaled up, running everywhere on the planet- will this drain our life force or do damage to other beings in other places we don't know of?


Hi Albert,

There is something called "dirac sea holes" that are created by taking this potential from vacuum space. I don't think it matters because even if this is the case, the potential will be converted to work and when we convert it to work to do something for us, it dissipates right back to vacuum space.

Aaron
12-22-2007, 08:36 PM
Actually, it isn't a new form of energy we're tapping. Every battery powering something is using this potential and the battery is a conduit to tape it from vacuum space to flow over our circuit wires. Everything has its potential come from it anyway and we have always used this potential without realizing it until recent times.

If anyone is familiar with exactly what Bearden, etc... are saying you probably will know much of what is in my book but if not then my book is probably the most simple primer to show anyone what the potential in vacuum space is and how to tap it and how it flows over the wires and how it induces electron current in closed loops, etc... also a very simple model of gravity that just about anyone can understand.

Info sheet: http://www.feelthevibe.com/the_quantum_key.pdf
Get a copy: Energetic Science Ministries Online Store (http://www.esmhome.org/shop)

Aaron
12-22-2007, 08:37 PM
I agree to elias. I have heard of many cases when people who are near these devices (joecells, Searl effect generators, moe-joe cells) experience good feelings and vitality even healing effects. For example, John Searl was able to heal his face burns in very short time just by sitting near his generator when it was operating. Doctors could not explain that. Although if not properly tuned, the cells could also radiate out DOR or negative side of the orgon/aether.

Tesla could sit in a room for a week straight without eating while being exposed to the super high voltage streamers surrounding him. Superdose of life force I believe.

One time at John Bedini's shop, I put my hands on the output of one device with large capacitance dumps. I didn't get shocked but felt a mild deep jolt go through my body. I did it for about 45 seconds and didn't sleep for a couple days and hardly had anything to eat. I was absolutely wired in a very good way!

Aaron
12-22-2007, 08:42 PM
I don't believe that they will suck the life force out of us, though i do wonder what influence they may have. Definatly worth researching though first we need to better our understanding of these forces before we can draw any conclusions.

The Czech's were deep into psychotronic research and some of the generators could suck the life force out of living beings. They killed flies when aimed at flies, etc... but other variations healed.

You can find quite a bit online about Robert Pavlita's psychotronic generators
such as:
Pavlita Generators 1 (http://www.consciousness-centre.com/parapsychology/pavlita1.htm)

Jetijs
12-22-2007, 09:34 PM
One time at John Bedini's shop, I put my hands on the output of one device with large capacitance dumps. I didn't get shocked but felt a mild deep jolt go through my body. I did it for about 45 seconds and didn't sleep for a couple days and hardly had anything to eat. I was absolutely wired in a very good way!

This is very interesting Aaron :eek:
I have heard that Tesla did have such a device and that is why he could work almost without rest. Can you describe that device? I suppose it is not an ordinary SSG circuit with a cap pulser? Or is it? In the Bedini DVD John also talks, that you can touch the output with your hands and don't get shocked. Such a device would be a "must have" for all "seekers for truth" :)
Thank's
Jetijs

Aaron
12-22-2007, 09:52 PM
It was a solid state cap pulser for about 5 years ago I think. The output was going to a good size battery bank to absorb most of it so I wasn't much of a path for it but could feel a jolt all the way to my feet...not like a regular shock.

I believe this pic is from one of his isolation times:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_tesla/tesla_8.jpg

and this famous one:

http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/ntesla1.jpg

Jetijs
12-23-2007, 07:54 PM
Aaron, did you experience such effects also with your replications of Bedini devices?

Aaron
12-23-2007, 09:50 PM
I never tried with my own cap pulsers or otherwise.

About 6 years ago I did hold on to the output of my machines but did not experience the same as I did at John's shop. However, I was the only thing on the output and I didn't hold onto the output as it was going to batts like at John's.

I don't know how much was placebo or what...I didn't have anything in mind as to what to expect. I was just very wired for a couple days without getting tired or hungry.

quantum2007
12-24-2007, 07:33 AM
Sorry for the interrupt.

Lighty:

Now, if that capacitor is then discharged into next inductor and then the same electron move limiting inductor is used to limit the electron flow to the next stage capacitor one could maybe make a kind of cascade connection to purify the dielectric charge toward the end of such cascade. Do you have any ideas on how to do that?Check this out
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

Basically uses caps and coils to increase the potential, however some very very other interesting results came out of the tests. I remember seeing another web page on just the LEM, and it was wicked. Check Utube, maybe thats where I seen it. I jujst don't remember, but if I find it i'll post it.

And google search for longitudinal wave
longitudinal wave - Google Search (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&q=longitudinal+wave&spell=1)

I am confused about your use of the term "dielectric charge" within the term of coils and inductors, for several days i have been pondering exactly what it is your attempting to say, perhaps you could clarify this for me.;)


Quotes from the first page discussion.

the dielectric charge (or rather the density of dielectric lines of force) are in some way proportional to the mass of the conductorAlso, if one end of the inductive discharge coil is grounded the transient voltage effect is diminished to some extent or at least changed slightly in it's nature. My guess is that any ground path in the circuit will simply allow the excessive dielectric charge to be leveled out with the surrounding mediaNow, it would be most useful if one could limit the movement of the electrons during the charging of capacitors with the inductive collapse voltage or rather with the dielectric chargeA sudden change of the dielectric flux is what's Tesla was lecturing about and the thing that usually perplexes people is the fact that there is almost no electron movement involved but rather an electrostatic impulse of great magnitude able to produce a some sort of dielectric avalanche in the secondaryOK, so here is my question, since when did dielectric effects show up in conductors and coils? I understand about the capacitance in conductors and coils (capacitive reactance Xc) , but i have the feeling your talking about something else here??:thinking: or am I wrong?

I also have a funny feeling that this dielectric effect in coils is what your really after to produce the radiant event.

After reading all your posts I am convinced of one thing...:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: You got some interesting knowledge, we must converse with you some time! :thanks:

pha3z
05-29-2010, 09:12 AM
Thanks to Peter Lindemann, Eric Dollard, Shad, Lighty, and other people, I am beginning to deeply understand radiant energy. Great job guys!

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I notice many people putting their spiritual beliefs on here. Some people new to these ideas will have questions about them, so I am going to lay out raw hard facts for the consideration of the reader. I want to help the reader sort fact from fiction. If you do not agree with the truth of some of the following statements, then at least consider the possible truthness or falseness of them as being fundamental to having a proper world view. Because many people seem to just pick and choose from various facts and form double-minded views. Then they go through life thinking they have a well-grounded view when, in fact, they are completely mislead.

Fact #1: Sometimes we just pick and choose whatever spiritual ideas feel good and sound like love. Spirituality isn't that simple. Its more thought-oriented and logical than some people realize. God gave us huge brains for a reason. He wanted us to think about whether or not things are true. He wanted us to be capable of building mental frameworks and consider the facts. We're not supposed to just go around believing whatever feels comfortable to us or or whatever looks like it works well enough on the surface or blindly trust a man's opinion. We're supposed to always test the models just like in science. And in terms of testing facts, get the best sources you can. Don't assume that everything in Christianity, Bhuddism, Islam, or any other worldview must be nonsense just because some Christian, Bhuddish, Muslim, or other person you know seems to be double-minded. He may not even have the picture right. People are imperfect -- plus we have to operate on limited knowledge and experience. So get the facts, study various views on history, and think about it.

Fact #2: The spiritual realm is real. But its not just some natural movement of forces where God is somehow engrained in these forces. The spiritual realm is a world tied to the physical. Only a few people have been gifted (temporarily or otherwise) with the ability to see some things in the spiritual.

Fact #3: Other beings live in the spiritual realm and are able to move with varying freedoms through it. Most or all of these beings are able to observe things in the physical realm -- and some of them even have ability to effect it. The extent of their ability to effect this realm depends on what power the Creator has imbued them with.

Fact #4: There is a war going on and ALL beings have taken up one of two sides -- serving the Creator or opposing the Creator. The same applies to all human beings.

Fact #5: Some humans have spiritual talents (such as looking into distance scenes, predicting the future, levitation etc) but this does NOT automatically mean they should be trusted. Some of the most sincere and genuine people out there think they have been spoken to by a wonderful, kind, and gentle spiritual being when actually they have been spoken to by a demon pretending to be nice. Does this surprise anyone? Does anyone think that evil beings are always going to tout a big black banner and show nasty teeth with a mean face? I hope noone thinks that, because the truth is that VERY VERY evil beings will pretend to be perfect and loving for the sake of leading us into a trap. Do not be mislead.

Fact #6: For anyone who isn't clear on what the "Holy Spirit" is as described in the Bible, go grab your Bible and look at the contextual use. The Holy Spirit is NOT a thing, an it, or a force. The Spirit is God and is always referred to as a "He". This is NOT an English or a "man" thing. If you research the old language which contains plural, singular, and even gender-neutral pronouns, you will see that the Spirit is always described specifically with a masculine singlular pronoun. This issue is major, and anyone wondering about God should not be confused on this because it has far-reaching implications that will divide worldviews greatly. Anyone who wants to use Holy Spirit synomously with Chi, Qi, Prana, Aetheric Energy, Life Energy, BioEnergy, or Superlight is greatly deceived.

Fact #7: Jesus paved the way for people to enter God's presence. No human being can pave his own way, and there is no other way to get there. It does not even make any logical sense for a person to try to do so. Go to Jesus because, through Him, the Way is already made. A man who tries to get there any other way has a problem with God. Either that man does not LIKE the circumstances he sees and is upset with God, OR that man doesn't want to admit his ways fall short of God's standard. God's standard, being perfect and above our ability to reach, requires that we have a Savior -- the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the only way by which God could be both completely Just and Merciful in reconciling us to Himself. If you've never thought about Fact #6 before but you decide to believe it, then you should say a prayer to God thanking Him for sending Jesus to save you. You must devote your life to becoming as perfect as possible in God's eyes. You will probably not become perfect before meeting God, but He can tell if your heart is sincere. He will grow you and make you more like Him each day once you've accepted what Jesus has done for you.

The above facts are the truth. However, should you refuse to believe them, then at least consider the logical validity of them being able to be accepted or unaccepted and used as points of logical thought. They set a stage for distinguishing between different views. What you believe doesn't make reality. Reality is reality. You cannot change the truth no matter how hard you believe or disbelieve. Except in the reported cases of results from certain quantum experiments where the thoughts of the observers changed the results of the experiments (as reported anyway. I have not seen these tests myself)! LOL :)

Keep up the great work guys! Thanks for all the reports and insight. I'm well on my way to building my own energy device.

pha3z
05-29-2010, 09:38 AM
Tesla could sit in a room for a week straight without eating while being exposed to the super high voltage streamers surrounding him. Superdose of life force I believe.

One time at John Bedini's shop, I put my hands on the output of one device with large capacitance dumps. I didn't get shocked but felt a mild deep jolt go through my body. I did it for about 45 seconds and didn't sleep for a couple days and hardly had anything to eat. I was absolutely wired in a very good way!

I see no reason to be surprised by this. I also don't believe its logical to conclude that radiant energy is a mysterious force indicated by eastern philosophies. 4000 years ago, anyone with a brain could look at the world and realize that there must be some kind of energy and complex workings going on to power nature, the body, and even to connect the body to the spiritual realm. So if such an idea was formalized, just because we've now come to understand a force that seems to fit the bill, that doesn't mean we've validated the teachings of esoteric knowledge or great thinkers. Ironically, all it shows is that we validated what should be obvious to the Darwinian atheists, but they don't get it because they insist on sticking to the academic establishment's obsession with explaining away God -- their ignorance of real physics makes sense if you consider that free energy and man's power establishment are in opposition to one another.

Anyway, anyone who has studied tesla coils deeply knows that bringing flourescent bulbs into the static fields will light the bulbs. Other wild phenomena can be observed as well. If you look up some of the lesser-discussed modern biology, you will find that we have analyzed cellular mechanics to a ridiculous level. Biologists have fully identified structures in cells which behave like human inventions -- intricate motors, complex transportation vehicles, signaling antenna, and more. At a microlevel, the cell behaves like a giant factory of specialized machinery -- funny that people think nanotechnology is a new thing LOL! If radiant static fields can have such profound effect on macro-scale machinery, it seems logical to conclude that the profound effects could also be had on the machinery in living tissue.

If you don't believe me, go look up some documentaries or videos that show animations of how various microscopic machinery work. Its mind-blowing. There are actual MOTORS in various parts of living things. Its even claimed that nerve endings have antenna for scalar transmission and receiving. That's what some of the scientific community is saying anyway. I'm not a biologist, but it appears true to me.

Here's a thought. Tesla adamently claimed that using electromagnetic energy to do anything is completely wasteful and silly. He viewed EM more as a by-product -- a smaller component -- of the scalar waveform. If you listen to Tom Bearden talk about the idea of Charge and the infinite sea of energy in which we live, it becomes pretty easy to believe that the workings of nature would utilize static charges and scalar energy in preference to EM. It is much more efficient. So bearing in mind that living tissue would be more likely to utilize the natural scalar form of energy, should we be surprised that manipulating static fields causes more positive health effects than EM typically does? EM can actually be quite damaging!

pha3z
05-31-2010, 12:37 AM
Can anyone shed light on suggested methods of obtaining rapid opening and closing of a circuit? We have the ability to use semi-conductor circuitry today, but I'd like to know how to do it using old fashioned or rudimentary methods. From everything I've seen, Tesla mostly used commutators and rotary spark gaps. But in an interview with Tesla (IF I READ IT RIGHT), he claims that he later quit using cumbersome mechanical means. But I can't see any other way of doing it without going to modern semi-conductor circuitry.

Any help?

Jbignes5
05-31-2010, 12:58 AM
Can anyone shed light on suggested methods of obtaining rapid opening and closing of a circuit? We have the ability to use semi-conductor circuitry today, but I'd like to know how to do it using old fashioned or rudimentary methods. From everything I've seen, Tesla mostly used commutators and rotary spark gaps. But in an interview with Tesla (IF I READ IT RIGHT), he claims that he later quit using cumbersome mechanical means. But I can't see any other way of doing it without going to modern semi-conductor circuitry.

Any help?

Look here.
"Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency" by Nikola Tesla (http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm)

This article also talks about the special transformer that uses a dialectric such as oil in the box that the transformer was to be used. He also talks about magnetic arc gaps to get higher frequency of a make and break circuit. There is also another multi arc space that actually might have merit.

Aromaz
05-31-2010, 01:10 AM
Can anyone shed light on suggested methods of obtaining rapid opening and closing of a circuit? We have the ability to use semi-conductor circuitry today, but I'd like to know how to do it using old fashioned or rudimentary methods. From everything I've seen, Tesla mostly used commutators and rotary spark gaps. But in an interview with Tesla (IF I READ IT RIGHT), he claims that he later quit using cumbersome mechanical means. But I can't see any other way of doing it without going to modern semi-conductor circuitry.

Any help?

The biggest obstacle in this forum, preventing progress is the use of
electronics. electronics work, but are limited and restricted.

The complete concept of electricity must be re-discovered. Some of my
finding over thre past three years were shared in this forum.

Simple things like "electricity does not move through a conductor". :confused:
Later devellopment of this theory; followed by experiments leads me more
strongly in that direction.

High Voltage, High frequency - the only possible method I know is an array of
spark gaps, blown by magnetic 'force'.

Inquarate has done excellent work in this direction. Time for more people to
take a serious look at this work and videos.

boguslaw
05-31-2010, 09:02 AM
Tesla used vacuum tubes.:thumbsup: Unfortunately those which are of restricted usage nowadays like klystron, thyratron and other which name I can't recall and which is used as a trigger for nuclear weapon (which is also a nice excuse to tidy restrict its usage).
The idea is just to very abruptly stop unidirectional high current to create high speed collapsing magnetic field area or high intensity. EM pulse like.

pha3z
05-31-2010, 09:38 PM
@ boguslaw: I guess I wasn't totally clear. Its not an issue of controlling sparking/arcing I'm confused about. From what I understand, a vacuum tube can be used as a spark gap, but I already know that. I'm asking about switching: how to open and close the circuit repeatedly like you would do with a commutator. If you can somehow use ONLY a vacuum tube and a capacitor to get repeatedly open/close cycles, then please tell me how. I don't understand. Not having to use mechanical means whatsoever would be really nice.

Xenomorph
05-31-2010, 09:58 PM
Like boguslaw brought up, just google for "Thyratron", it is a tube used for switching.

Aromaz
06-01-2010, 12:05 AM
@ boguslaw: I guess I wasn't totally clear. Its not an issue of controlling sparking/arcing I'm confused about. From what I understand, a vacuum tube can be used as a spark gap, but I already know that. I'm asking about switching: how to open and close the circuit repeatedly like you would do with a commutator. If you can somehow use ONLY a vacuum tube and a capacitor to get repeatedly open/close cycles, then please tell me how. I don't understand. Not having to use mechanical means whatsoever would be really nice.

Again: Refer to Inquarate's extensive work on this:
Your switch is the spark gap. Your on-off action is the magnetic effect.
The moment the electrons jumps the gap and short out (negative) at that same
moment the magnet terminate it. This way you reach the ultimate in high
frequency with high voltage. The frequency is adjusted by the distance
between the spark probes.

The valve (Vaccum Tube) only came later - to reduce the effects of oxidation
and 'dissociation' of the terminals (Probes); purely - remove the oxygen and ozone.

Inquorate
06-01-2010, 01:56 AM
@ aromaz, thanks for the tip of the hat :)

Thought I'd post a few videos that might get people started on experiments

YouTube - c30kv magnetic diode proof of concept (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=9Y37DSDTMOg&nomobile=1)

YouTube - magnetic diode + transistor theory 101 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=u7Q_WmMYPvk&nomobile=1)

YouTube - ignition coil experiments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KELagdk_SwM)

YouTube - presentation on the properties of the aether, part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQFP_8V7u1o)

YouTube - development of circuit to drive hairpin with 60kv ac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=eLklk4_ZgdY&nomobile=1)

pha3z
06-01-2010, 09:14 AM
@ Inquorate: Outstanding videos. Wonderful presentation! Keep it up.

I have a response to your magnetic field and spark gap diode theory.

Eric Dollard has a presentation called "Transverse and Longitudinal Electric Waves" produced under the organization Borderlands Sciences. The video is available on youtube. In his video, he shows a book called "Electric Discharges, Waves, and Impulses and Other Transients." by Charles Steinmetz. The diagram shown in this book (which I have a copy of BTW) clearly indicates that any current traveling through a medium creates both a magnetic field and dielectric field. The lines of electrostatic force caused by voltage make up the dielectric field. In the beginning of this book, Steinmetz discusses transients and permanents. He defines a transient as any energy, variable, or mechanism in a circuit which is CHANGING. A permanent is an energy, variable, or mechanism which is in a constant unchanging state. After talking about this, Steinmetz then describes oscillatory patterns which usually occur due to transients. One such oscillation could be the transfer of energy back and forth between magnetic and dielectric fields.

You were saying that you don't fully understand why the spark won't jump in opposing direction and THEN be quenched afterward by the magnetic field. I'm going to propose this possible explanation: In order for any spark to begin at all, the dielectric field -- which contains stored energy -- must cause current to flow through the gap. However, if this transfer of energy from the dielectric were to occur, the energy would have to simultaneously transfer into a magnetic field around the current flow. Because the opposing magnetic field is so strong, no such event can occur. This can be viewed as a total suppression of transfer of energy between the coupled magnetic and dielectric fields.

Perhaps, you could view the electric field coupling sort of like the coupling of two magnetic fields in the coils of a transformer. It is the nature of the electric field that a transverse magnetic field and longitudinal dielectric field are always coupled. If you oppose one, you oppose the other simultaneously -- at least to some degree. What you've done here is force the total of energy storage to be contained only in the dielectric field because you have completely suppressed the magnetic counterpart. If the coupling between magnetic field and dielectric field weren't so strong, then the spark would be allowed to form before it was quenched -- as you had first thought.

Steinmetz isn't Tesla, and I'm neither one of them. But I'm looking at what Steinmetz said and offering another view. Also, keep in mind that my view is not necessarily in competition with your view. You are looking at the molecular level, while I am describing this from the field view. To understand my view, one must understand that any conductor ALWAYS has both a dielectric AND magnetic field around it -- you cannot escape that -- you can only effect which of the fields is stronger and how they are contained.

Let me know your thoughts.
Anyway, I'm going to continue on with watching your other videos now.

Inquorate
06-01-2010, 09:33 AM
@ pha3z - thanks for your comments, IMO you're right on the money, I don't see why the two descriptions can't be both right :)

Aromaz
06-01-2010, 09:35 AM
I am just so tempted to throw a nuke in the toolbox:

@pha3z: What if the electricity is a by-product from the magnetic;
and not the current believe that Magnetic is by-product of electricity?

Inquorate
06-01-2010, 10:39 AM
I am just so tempted to throw a nuke in the toolbox:

@pha3z: What if the electricity is a by-product from the magnetic;
and not the current believe that Magnetic is by-product of electricity?

That would make sense I think; we can have magnetic fields on their own but we cannot have electricity without magnetic fields.

It would also explain why a collapsing magnetic field can contribute extra charge to a system.

Aromaz
06-01-2010, 10:58 AM
That would make sense I think; we can have magnetic fields on their own but we cannot have electricity without magnetic fields.
It would also explain why a collapsing magnetic field can contribute extra charge to a system.

:eek: :suprise:

I am not sure yet, this I will have to go LAB extensively. Should it be true,
it will answer a lot of current questions; but will also create lots of new ones.

However I was set onto this from our old experiments: Energy sometimes
flow regardless of diodes. More than that; it will explain your very old
question: How come the electrons 'knows' where to go in case of spark
gap, and the how come of elastic appearance of electrons/electricity.

Did you ever notice how new energy discoveries and experiments suddenly
came to a halt some 80-100 years ago? Now there is so much happening
again. As if we have Century leaps. We truly live in exciting times and
I believe we are standing on the doorstep of a complete new live -
scientifically.

pha3z
06-01-2010, 01:20 PM
I am just so tempted to throw a nuke in the toolbox:

@pha3z: What if the electricity is a by-product from the magnetic;
and not the current believe that Magnetic is by-product of electricity?

Aromaz, I believe you are right on the money. I was hesitant to go so far to wording things like this because I am so new to what I am researching and learning. But I believe you are precisely right.

Eric Dollard and Peter Lindemann have pointed out that the dielectric field can cause what is called "electronic activity" in a conductor -- i.e. the presence of a dielectric field causes electrons to move. It is NOT the other way around. Bearing in mind that the Electric field has two components: magnetism and dielectricity, it may be erroneous to say that moving current induces magnetism.

What is very interesting is that Tom Bearden and some other physicists have pointed out that it is a theoretical possibility that you could create a 98% aluminum / 2% iron alloy and utilize an very fast switching mechanism and create a circuit in which ZERO current is allowed to move. Every single electron will be trapped and stay that way if you only hit it with a voltage for a brief time under said conditions. Of course, the applied voltage would still issue forth a vibration in the dielectric field. Yay!!

But if you look at things like this it still brings up a question. If you establish a permanent voltage gradient between two points on a circuit and current is allowed to flow permanently (we have no transients -- changing variables), then how are the dielectric and magnetic fields forming around the conductor? It is easy to understand the idea that a rapid closure and opening of a circuit causes a wave to issue forth and to cause shockwaves to emanate from the conductor. But what in the world is happening in the case of a permanent direct current? Is it perhaps that at this point we DO have to consider things from a molecular standpoint? The electron flow is not really a smooth flow at all, but rather billions of rapid collisions happening? Could we then consider that each transfer of energy from one subatomic colliding movement to the following is causing a dielectric and magnetic wave to issue forth? If that is the case, then direct current is nothing more than billions of individual vibrations which are actually happening randomly. This begins to bring the whole idea of energy waste to into perspective. Now we can see why oscillations and resonance create great efficiency. In a non-resonant direct current system we have 99.99999% waste.

Your thoughts?

wings
06-01-2010, 01:24 PM
@ aromaz, thanks for the tip of the hat :)

Thought I'd post a few videos that might get people started on experiments

YouTube - c30kv magnetic diode proof of concept (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=9Y37DSDTMOg&nomobile=1)

YouTube - magnetic diode + transistor theory 101 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=u7Q_WmMYPvk&nomobile=1)

YouTube - ignition coil experiments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KELagdk_SwM)

YouTube - presentation on the properties of the aether, part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQFP_8V7u1o)

YouTube - development of circuit to drive hairpin with 60kv ac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&gl=AU&warned=True&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=eLklk4_ZgdY&nomobile=1)

such experiments can emit microwaves ?
like ....

ISTF2008: Cutting the Cord - Microwave Generators (http://mainland.cctt.org/istf2008/generators.asp)
radar (http://www.radarworld.org/hans4.html)

pha3z
06-01-2010, 01:32 PM
I believe that if you consider the above theory, it also continues to explain how electrons "know where to go". They don't know where to go whatsoever. Its the dielectric field that does the work. The dielectric field reaches out to paths of higher capacitance. It happens just teh same as how the magnetic field reaches out to ferrous materials because of the lower reluctance as the lattice realigns.

Since the dielectric field establishes itself across a spark gap, once the field is strong enough to overcome the resistance of the medium, electron flow occurs. If electron flow occurs in a vacuum, it must be electrons actually jumping clear across the whole gap. But when it occurs in a non-vacuum, the dielectric field usually ionizes the medium first and so the vibrations cause movement through the medium.

Thinking of the vacuum scenario makes it vividly obvious to see how wireless transmission can occur even with no electron propagation. If you could send a vibration through the circuit fast enough and under conditions to prevent any electron movement from occuring, the dielectric field will reach across the spark gap (even though no spark or arc happens) and cause vibration in the circuit on the other side of the gap. Of course, you don't need a spark gap to cause this. The dielectric field is going to propagate out to space wherever it has to. It always does -- just like magnetism again. But the field is going to prefer to establish itself between sources of capacitance.

pha3z
06-01-2010, 01:43 PM
Here's a link to that Eric Dollard video:
Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549#)

if you have not seen this video, I highly suggest you watch it. He has another one as well. But in the beginning of this one, he shows shots of the electric field from the 1914 (tragic that we have to go back this far) book by Steinmetz. For me, this has been one of the answers to the whole puzzle. After having it shown to me that there are two components to the electric field and now understanding that all electron movement is only a by-product of the work of these two fields, so many things seem simple.

This video is also good for anyone who is not familiar with the concept of electrostatic Inductance. In the same way that electromagnetic inductance is able to magnetically couple conductors and cause electrical movement, electrostatic inductance produces a dielectric coupling which also causes electrical movement. Electrostatic inductance is actually the principle key by which Tesla coils operate (at least under Tesla's conditions) -- sadly, most of their operators don't even realize this. Most people only know about magnetic inductance.

pha3z
06-01-2010, 01:54 PM
CLARIFICATION ON ABOVE: I should clarify that when I said "subatomic collisions" above that I am not describing collisions in the material sense. What I'm actually talking about is changes in pressure due to electrical fields (keeping in mind that this always means dielectric and magnetic components) coming in close range to one another at a molecular level. This chaotic field movement is what causes electrons to move.

pha3z
06-01-2010, 02:06 PM
such experiments can emit microwaves ?
like ....

ISTF2008: Cutting the Cord - Microwave Generators (http://mainland.cctt.org/istf2008/generators.asp)
radar (http://www.radarworld.org/hans4.html)

From the article you linked:
ISTF2008: Cutting the Cord - Microwave Generators (http://mainland.cctt.org/istf2008/generators.asp)

Ironically, that article talks about "electrical conduction." And if the theory I'm trying to support in the above posts is correct, then technically, there is no such thing as electrical conduction. What appears to be traversal of electricity down a wire by conduction is really just a vibration of the electric fields. This is same thing we see with magnets and static fields at a macro level but happening on a micro level.

Also, that article talks about the way electrons are supposedly manipulated by the magnetic field. I'm wondering if what's happening is being viewed all wrong. It may be more accurate to say that what's happening is a change of the dielectric field due to the fact that its coupled to the magnetic field. I feel confident in saying that electron movement does not create microwaves. Microwaves are alternations of a specific frequency (the microwave frequency) in the electric field.

I would definitely like to hear aromaz and inquorate's thoughts on this.

Also, Inqorate's experiments would not be creating microwaves unless the frequency of his circuit is tuned such that the fundamental is microwave frequency or one of the overtones is microwave frequency. And the odds of that happening are probably slim. But for safety's sake, maybe it would be smart to be aware of what frequency's we work with.

Keep in mind that when people talk about "microwaves", the traditionally sense of the word is applied to the electroMAGNETIC wave form. Tesla thought using electromagnetic wave was completely stupid. He emphasized that we should be using scalar dielectric waves because they are far more efficient and powerful. I think they also play nicer with the human body -- though research to support this is lacking.

Jbignes5
06-01-2010, 08:06 PM
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This is a wave form of ac. Much like the description of the wave of the water. Do you see the periods going up to the +'s. Those are radiative tendrils of lines of force or "magnetic" waves coming from the wires. You need to understand that this radiative emission happens in time. Meaning we modulate the potential of the wire to attract the charges at different speeds along the wire. Now to truly understand what is going on here is that this is only a 2d view of this event. When viewed in a 3d perspective like the whole surface of the water and not a slice it all changes.
Current Flows into our system through those wires. It is attracted to the potential via the dots. Those dots line up with very little effort in a static nature. And the charges ride those lines into the wires internal lattice of locked in connectors. This allows the metal to conduct those charges and move along the internal lattice.
The problem is that AC or the back and forth method of exciting the wires causes us to force the movement both ways due to the inertia of the energy flowing twords the source. This is a very resistive event. And it creates a lot of re radiative effects. So some have found a way to take the whole and use it in such a way that reduces that resistive event. This is called resonance and resonance is a bandaid to the problem. It doesn't solve the problem because all the theories we are using are based off of the 2d pictogram I have provided you.
When we use the natural method of attracting the charges without repelling them we have a limitless charge potential when we follow the fluid flow method like Tesla was trying to show us after he realized he was making the resistance himself in his first attempt with the AC method.
There is no field other then the charge carriers lining up. And it doesn't extend outwards with an active field. The charge carriers are only a static mechanism that guides the charges to the wire and allow it to flow to the higher charge well or higher static source through the metal of the wire. Current in that case is a feedback to the source. And using the rules of flow of fluids it needs an in and an out. We have the in via the wires but where is the out. This is where Bedini came into play. He had the in but not the out except for the non active plates in the battery. This caused the battery to charge up and an imbalance was made in the battery via the solution of water and acid. This caused the acid to become more energized and increased the static action of the battery. Meaning it reved up the solutions flow increasing the charge hitting the positive plate for a small amount of time.
I hope you guys understand that we have partial understanding of the effects of voltage but we are misunderstanding a lot about everything else. We use terms like Magnetism, fields and currents without knowing their true natures. This is because we could never know their true natures by just looking at that particular event. A good majority of which is invisible to us. But we can infer what is happening through observations of the effects and by understanding that even though we don't believe it we are in a medium much like water. It changes density as we go further up until there is very little density at all. With the highest density being in water.
We are in a fluid density but that density is less then the water so we get a separation of that density. This separation also exists in out atmosphere, cloud layers and even exists in the density of that and outer space. To get back to near earth events like currents of winds and the likes we can see that we are in fact in a fluid medium. So what can we infer from knowing that? Well fluidic laws must apply. We also know that pure voltage is static in nature so that means the other law is statics. We can further include geometry to those laws as well knowing that there is some matter that has a geometry causing the static nature. And last but not least the laws of resistance. Those laws of resistances need to be modified slightly because now it is of a fluid nature of resistances combined with the rest of the laws and walla we have the clues to figure what nature runs off of.

Joit
06-01-2010, 09:31 PM
Jbignes5
I think you are talking about, how the Spikes appear.
I wondered a lont time about too. Now i pusled once a Coil with 90° from inside,
and the Spikes did not appear anymore as a AC Wave but all pretty equal.
So i think, it is more a matter how you pulse the Coil or how you attach the magnetic Field.
All other Configurations where i pulsed Coils from other Sides gave the AC Form again.

pha3z
06-01-2010, 09:43 PM
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There is no field other then the charge carriers lining up. And it doesn't extend outwards with an active field. The charge carriers are only a static mechanism that guides the charges to the wire and allow it to flow to the higher charge well or higher static source through the metal of the wire.


I am wondering how you reconcile the fact that the dielectric field will traverse the vacuum of space and that electron flow can even be made to propagate through the vacuum. Are you implying that the charge carriers exist everywhere (even in the vacuum) as a super dense medium -- i.e. the Ether?

Regardless of their density, the question is "What causes the attraction between the charge carriers?" In the view I'm talking about, the invisible attraction between the charge carriers IS the dielectric force. This attraction is infinite in distance. It only prefers to draw together the nearest possible masses -- i.e. mediums of capacitance.

Jbignes5
06-01-2010, 10:08 PM
I am wondering how you reconcile the fact that the dielectric field will traverse the vacuum of space and that electron flow can even be made to propagate through the vacuum. Are you implying that the charge carriers exist everywhere (even in the vacuum) as a super dense medium -- i.e. the Ether?

Regardless of their density, the question is "What causes the attraction between the charge carriers?" In the view I'm talking about, the invisible attraction between the charge carriers IS the dielectric force. This attraction is infinite in distance. It only prefers to draw together the nearest possible masses -- i.e. mediums of capacitance.

no the density is the medium. Like space is expanding. So the spaces in between the network of that space is increasing. And on earth because there is tons of matter this network is more dense. Thats what causes the barriers. And yes the charge carrier exist everywhere but their density changes.
Think of it as the internet. That network is connected all the way around but when the network gets jammed up they add more nodes to handle the load at that particular point. it is the same concept as that. These charge carriers are the network. But as they get denser from the collection of matter they go from one branch to 6 branches and then there is a density change.
Kinda like this:

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If you understand how crystals grow you will start to understand how they will line up. But there seems to be some form of 3d branching like take a bunch of 3d pyramids with 4 sides. Put all the tips together and you will see the ability of the network to flow into one at will. The network morphs and becomes a little thinner in the middle and larger as the nodes form.
Pure voltage that the static charges have can and will cause the motion by itself to auto tune itself and grow.
If you look at pictures of snow flakes this can give you a picture of nodes. I believe once the water hits a node it causes the snow flake to take a snap shot of the node as it freezes or looses charges. You will see that a stop sign shape in the middle I believe this is the nodal junction and then each branch is part of the conductors as they continue to such charges from the water.

Jbignes5
06-01-2010, 10:21 PM
Jbignes5
I think you are talking about, how the Spikes appear.
I wondered a lont time about too. Now i pusled once a Coil with 90° from inside,
and the Spikes did not appear anymore as a AC Wave but all pretty equal.
So i think, it is more a matter how you pulse the Coil or how you attach the magnetic Field.
All other Configurations where i pulsed Coils from other Sides gave the AC Form again.

I am still on the fence as to weather the spike is from the collision of these conductors of potential much like the peizo effect or weather it is a gathering of 10 million of the network strings into the coils channel that it makes and then releases the strings back to their normal network positions or balance. I would prefer the latter but I am still thinking about it.
If one took a straight wire we would all agree that it is radiative right? Meaning strings flow from the wire extending our in to the surrounding space. Much like hair does when you touch a van deg graff generator. Except without the roundness of the head. If you took the design that Tesla made for the pancake coil one could see that you could get generation of the charges going twords the voltage source and passively intercept the charges being drawn to it. Well that is the real intended purpose of the pancake coil. You need to change the angle of interception if one wanted to receive the energy as is apparent by that coil. one could stack umpteen thousands of those coils all aligned and hooked into parallel and get maximum from the radiative event if you could only get a pure pulse one way.
Our thinking is reversed in the "current" and fields respect. I doubt there is any field in a true radiative event only the ordering of the conductor of the potential that are used to suck in the charges from the environment. More voltage potential in this case draws more current from the environment. The current only happens in wires after they are energized and flow into the material of the wires. Thats why I suspect that voltage leads current. because current takes a bit to enter the wires from all around thru the conductors.

Inquorate
06-02-2010, 03:05 AM
''Also, that article talks about the way electrons are supposedly manipulated by the magnetic field. I'm wondering if what's happening is being viewed all wrong. It may be more accurate to say that what's happening is a change of the dielectric field due to the fact that its coupled to the magnetic field. I feel confident in saying that electron movement does not create microwaves. Microwaves are alternations of a specific frequency (the microwave frequency) in the electric field.

I would definitely like to hear aromaz and inquorate's thoughts on this.''

The way I see it, there is definitely two parts to electricity; magnetic lines of force, and dielectric lines of force. Changes in the strength of one type of force line will cause the other to manifest.

At lower frequencies, electrons get disturbed and caught up on the streams, if the matter has free electrons available, and this effect is used to power current technology.

boguslaw
06-02-2010, 05:33 AM
Tesla thought about toroid orbiting around Earth equator. That took him many months to find something which unfortunately we don't know yet based on this fictional experiment.

Aromaz
06-02-2010, 08:25 AM
...And if the theory I'm trying to support in the above posts is correct, then technically, there is no such thing as electrical conduction. What appears to be traversal of electricity down a wire by conduction is really just a vibration of the electric fields. This is same thing we see with magnets and static fields at a macro level but happening on a micro level.
Also, that article talks about the way electrons are supposedly manipulated by the magnetic field. I'm wondering if what's happening is being viewed all wrong.
I would definitely like to hear aromaz and inquorate's thoughts on this. . .

I am still pondering this in-between and in the light of my current model.

Electrons are a form of energy. Electrons are NOT particle, not even wave-particle. See, the concept of wave-particle is based on the ‘slit’ experiment. Some act like particle – go straight on through and hit like a bullet, some act like wave in dispersing; or shotgun effect. I state the effect of dispersing is purely based on vibration in the slit and normal deflection of the electrons. The particle part is purely pockets of electrons that pass through the slit - without disruptions from the chaos in that passing.

Today we know water energy is in wave – always expanding. But we are now also able to use the same water in a hydro-cutter which is able to cut through steel, extremely concentrated and powerful, very thin cut like laser; and actually thicker piece of steel than you can cut with laser. Gosh, we can even make water-bullets that melt and disappear in case of it been used in assassination.

Thus: Electrons is a wave of energy, a globule of rotating electromagnetic force with a Polarity charge – and here I am declaring Electron and Positron the same entity.

Further, I am reaching a point of believing (contrary to common again) that all electrons are not equal. This also corresponds with current mainstream scientific experiments: Electrons forms a shield around the nuclei of an atom. "Like layers of an onion". Each such layer has different rotation direction and energy level; where the outermost layer is the weakest – thus also the slowest.

NOW: Following the declaration of mainstream science: Electrons are negative charged; That will then manifest itself the same as normal Beta radiation. And in fact they do have much if not all in common with Beta radiation.

THEN: why does the electron not jump out from the wire all over, even when you have a very thin micrometer layer of resin coating the wire? In our spark experiments, why is it that the ‘electron action’ wait until the end of the wire before it manifest as a visible spark?

Remember the experiments we did way back with sparks? Amongst my videos there are some parts of this too. Sparks at the end tip of the wire, straight on is quite concentrated stream , by moving the opposite probe back to 90 degree from the tip, the spark becomes weaker and if you move the opposite tip further back along the conductor, it becomes more dispersed and weaker; forming a delta of energy flowing rather than jet stream.

Magnets are very interesting things. I have 10 magnets, all same size, material and strength. Each of them has a very definite N and S side to them. In the middle we have ‘balance’. Now I take two magnets and put them SN<>SN. What happens to my polarity? Testing it I will find S on one extreme and N on the other extreme – just like the two pieces are now one single magnet. So if I string all ten of my 5 cm magnets together, I will have a 50cm long magnet – with S and N on each extreme end - 50 cm separated.

Does this not look familiar when comparing to the electric spark along a conductor?

Now: Which is the Cause and which is the result? Or is it that they are PARADOX?

The real weird issue here is that for more than 10 years I do believe the ElectroMagnetic spectrum is in-complete. I believe the missing section is Magnetic frequencies.

It is said that magnetism is not a force. It does not have a wave. I wonder, why is it that magnets are working anywhere equally well – even in near absolute vacuum?
Better under colder temperature and not at all under extreme heat.

Is it possible that Magnetism is the attraction force in an Atomic nuclei – and not ‘gravity’?
Is it not true that Atoms dissipate in extreme heat conditions?
Is it not true that extreme cooling increases the atomic bond? Eventually to such level that no dissociation can take place anymore – no radiation, no atomic break down; no nuclear?

BUT: This will mean all theories and experiments on Atomic structure will evaporate.
AND: We will need to discover Magnetism.

:thinking:

Jbignes5
06-02-2010, 11:56 AM
Magnetism.....

This is the revelation that I had. This led to to investigate and understand this most puzzling effect.

Bear with me here. I will be throwing the references out as I remember them...

It seemed to me that all a magnet was, was a conductor of a force one way. It has an in and an out but it has a repelling force when two like poles are lined up. If a particle was responsible for these forces that was guiding the real force that are responsible for the repel and attraction it must be a separative kind of particle. Meaning yes they stick together but not by the traditional sense of metals. I started looking into what was in iron and was suprised to see that actually Iron is a crystalline based metal.

Here is a wiki about Iron: When reading this pay special attention to the words Crystalline:
Iron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron)

So as anyone knows to create crystals on our known world we need the seeds. Well those seeds are the underlying energy matrix, what is grown when you bring the iron up in temperature then let it cool. But if you wanted iron to mirror the crystalline structure that is responsible for an energy it would take on that form when it cooled under a "field"
What is the shape of those crystals... Well keep reading... They are cubic!
But when a "magnetic" field is applied it changes that configuration somewhere in that iron mass. This can be evident by by watching ferro fluids under the same "magnetic" fields. These are the polarity nodes inside the mass.
Pay more attention to the picture of the iron from a meteor and you can see the natural energy lattices that are present while that iron had cooled. I believe this is a snap shot of that underlying energy network that iron lines up to as it is cooling in the natural medium. Iron has a way to copy that network because it is freer to line up to that network. Just like we can align it under an artificial "magnetic" field.
When we make magnets we use a dopant as well to make the magnets more powerful. Lets look at Cobalt next...

Cobalt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt)
Which is a crystallographic iron

And crystalline structures:

Crystal structure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallographic_structure)

Pay attention to order and structures in the definitions.

How about copper then?

Copper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper)

Well you guessed it, it is a polycrystal.... Hmm are we forming a better understanding of what metals really are?

Here is a model that works with static and spins this device.

Electrostatic Solar System (http://www.oberlin.edu/physics/catalog/demonstrations/mech/solarsystem.html)

Here is another look at electric fields that I am basing the connection to the surrounding environment:

Electric Field Models (http://www.oberlin.edu/physics/catalog/demonstrations/em/gauss.html)

And here is the ferro fluid example showing the formation of the main lines and the ferro material radially forming along those lines of force. Thats why they look like spikes.

Ferrofluids (http://www.oberlin.edu/physics/catalog/demonstrations/em/ferrofluid.html)

tammy 123
06-04-2010, 10:08 AM
Well, radiant energy which is also known as conductive energy is used for heating homes, it can be use in generating electricity from infra red lamps or it can be absorbed from sunlight and used for heating water. It is a basis of wide range of communication technologies that using microwave radiation.

Thanks

Jbignes5
06-04-2010, 12:19 PM
I am still pondering this in-between and in the light of my current model.

Electrons are a form of energy. Electrons are NOT particle, not even wave-particle. See, the concept of wave-particle is based on the ‘slit’ experiment. Some act like particle – go straight on through and hit like a bullet, some act like wave in dispersing; or shotgun effect. I state the effect of dispersing is purely based on vibration in the slit and normal deflection of the electrons. The particle part is purely pockets of electrons that pass through the slit - without disruptions from the chaos in that passing.

Today we know water energy is in wave – always expanding. But we are now also able to use the same water in a hydro-cutter which is able to cut through steel, extremely concentrated and powerful, very thin cut like laser; and actually thicker piece of steel than you can cut with laser. Gosh, we can even make water-bullets that melt and disappear in case of it been used in assassination.

Thus: Electrons is a wave of energy, a globule of rotating electromagnetic force with a Polarity charge – and here I am declaring Electron and Positron the same entity.

Further, I am reaching a point of believing (contrary to common again) that all electrons are not equal. This also corresponds with current mainstream scientific experiments: Electrons forms a shield around the nuclei of an atom. "Like layers of an onion". Each such layer has different rotation direction and energy level; where the outermost layer is the weakest – thus also the slowest.

NOW: Following the declaration of mainstream science: Electrons are negative charged; That will then manifest itself the same as normal Beta radiation. And in fact they do have much if not all in common with Beta radiation.

THEN: why does the electron not jump out from the wire all over, even when you have a very thin micrometer layer of resin coating the wire? In our spark experiments, why is it that the ‘electron action’ wait until the end of the wire before it manifest as a visible spark?

Remember the experiments we did way back with sparks? Amongst my videos there are some parts of this too. Sparks at the end tip of the wire, straight on is quite concentrated stream , by moving the opposite probe back to 90 degree from the tip, the spark becomes weaker and if you move the opposite tip further back along the conductor, it becomes more dispersed and weaker; forming a delta of energy flowing rather than jet stream.

Magnets are very interesting things. I have 10 magnets, all same size, material and strength. Each of them has a very definite N and S side to them. In the middle we have ‘balance’. Now I take two magnets and put them SN<>SN. What happens to my polarity? Testing it I will find S on one extreme and N on the other extreme – just like the two pieces are now one single magnet. So if I string all ten of my 5 cm magnets together, I will have a 50cm long magnet – with S and N on each extreme end - 50 cm separated.

Does this not look familiar when comparing to the electric spark along a conductor?

Now: Which is the Cause and which is the result? Or is it that they are PARADOX?

The real weird issue here is that for more than 10 years I do believe the ElectroMagnetic spectrum is in-complete. I believe the missing section is Magnetic frequencies.

It is said that magnetism is not a force. It does not have a wave. I wonder, why is it that magnets are working anywhere equally well – even in near absolute vacuum?
Better under colder temperature and not at all under extreme heat.

Is it possible that Magnetism is the attraction force in an Atomic nuclei – and not ‘gravity’?
Is it not true that Atoms dissipate in extreme heat conditions?
Is it not true that extreme cooling increases the atomic bond? Eventually to such level that no dissociation can take place anymore – no radiation, no atomic break down; no nuclear?

BUT: This will mean all theories and experiments on Atomic structure will evaporate.
AND: We will need to discover Magnetism.

:thinking:

Yes Aromaz you are really starting to see that everything we though about electricity has been wrong. The mathematic model they made were only for how they understood what they thought was there.
This crystalline network is the true source of it all. It can pass a ghost of what is on the other end of that "conductor" without having charges. When that happens the charges which I think are collections of static in a bottle or layden jar so to speak. The charges are physical but much smaller then the bigger "conductors" They are mobile and can be induced to move and sense by a smaller set of "conductors" that follow the same rules of attraction or repulsion.
There can never be direct short of these charges only a movement of these "conductors" and then movement of the charges around these "conductors" in a vortex method twords a higher charge source. This whole process is automatically balanced by just the mere shape and size of the resulting network that forms from the attraction to the higher charge source. This shape is not only responsible for the movement but also for polarity or direction of that movement.
We have indeed been fooling ourselves into thinking that the old Theories have been right all the time because it had math behind it. Well to be honest that math was created to support the very theory they thought was correct. Instead of what effects were actually happening. When that theory failed to support other effects they ignored it and dismissed it as transient or not having merit. On a gross sense it appeared to add up but on the smallest scales it didn't add up.
This is what led me to believe that there wasn't a factual base to these theories.
One curious thing that I was seeing is that in water it tended to preserve the waves even if multiple waves were introduced and thats how I think it happens in our air as well. We can have unlimited signals like now because they don't interfere with each other in the sense that the charges would group. They don't because only the networks is being modulated and not real charges. Doing a test of this is very simple. Take a bathtub and give it two sources of signals (wave sources) and one can see the effects of this. The waves will propagate even through each other and continue till it hits the walls of the tub and back.
The "conductors" are like a capacitance and the charges are attracted to the rear of the "conductors" the effect of that happening has a lot of results. Some being source of charge. The shape gives direction and each plane has smaller subset of conductors that help it "sense" and then move to that other point of charge. These are not the typical "conductors" they are really channels that the charges can use to have real motion and that motion has reference points to use like anchors to pull against. These channels are much like magnets (source) and iron as director or channels for the source.
Since most real Conductors like iron is really a crystalline structure that is the connection I needed to prove this is right. How hard would a sub atomic crystal be to see? And how powerful would you think those crystalline particles would be if they don't really conduct? If they don't conduct in the traditional sense then there would be no limit to how much they could guide the charges that are moving over the "conductors".

Jbignes5
06-04-2010, 12:41 PM
I am still pondering this in-between and in the light of my current model.

Electrons are a form of energy. Electrons are NOT particle, not even wave-particle. See, the concept of wave-particle is based on the ‘slit’ experiment. Some act like particle – go straight on through and hit like a bullet, some act like wave in dispersing; or shotgun effect. I state the effect of dispersing is purely based on vibration in the slit and normal deflection of the electrons. The particle part is purely pockets of electrons that pass through the slit - without disruptions from the chaos in that passing.

Today we know water energy is in wave – always expanding. But we are now also able to use the same water in a hydro-cutter which is able to cut through steel, extremely concentrated and powerful, very thin cut like laser; and actually thicker piece of steel than you can cut with laser. Gosh, we can even make water-bullets that melt and disappear in case of it been used in assassination.

Thus: Electrons is a wave of energy, a globule of rotating electromagnetic force with a Polarity charge – and here I am declaring Electron and Positron the same entity.

Further, I am reaching a point of believing (contrary to common again) that all electrons are not equal. This also corresponds with current mainstream scientific experiments: Electrons forms a shield around the nuclei of an atom. "Like layers of an onion". Each such layer has different rotation direction and energy level; where the outermost layer is the weakest – thus also the slowest.

NOW: Following the declaration of mainstream science: Electrons are negative charged; That will then manifest itself the same as normal Beta radiation. And in fact they do have much if not all in common with Beta radiation.

THEN: why does the electron not jump out from the wire all over, even when you have a very thin micrometer layer of resin coating the wire? In our spark experiments, why is it that the ‘electron action’ wait until the end of the wire before it manifest as a visible spark?

Remember the experiments we did way back with sparks? Amongst my videos there are some parts of this too. Sparks at the end tip of the wire, straight on is quite concentrated stream , by moving the opposite probe back to 90 degree from the tip, the spark becomes weaker and if you move the opposite tip further back along the conductor, it becomes more dispersed and weaker; forming a delta of energy flowing rather than jet stream.

Magnets are very interesting things. I have 10 magnets, all same size, material and strength. Each of them has a very definite N and S side to them. In the middle we have ‘balance’. Now I take two magnets and put them SN<>SN. What happens to my polarity? Testing it I will find S on one extreme and N on the other extreme – just like the two pieces are now one single magnet. So if I string all ten of my 5 cm magnets together, I will have a 50cm long magnet – with S and N on each extreme end - 50 cm separated.

Does this not look familiar when comparing to the electric spark along a conductor?

Now: Which is the Cause and which is the result? Or is it that they are PARADOX?

The real weird issue here is that for more than 10 years I do believe the ElectroMagnetic spectrum is in-complete. I believe the missing section is Magnetic frequencies.

It is said that magnetism is not a force. It does not have a wave. I wonder, why is it that magnets are working anywhere equally well – even in near absolute vacuum?
Better under colder temperature and not at all under extreme heat.

Is it possible that Magnetism is the attraction force in an Atomic nuclei – and not ‘gravity’?
Is it not true that Atoms dissipate in extreme heat conditions?
Is it not true that extreme cooling increases the atomic bond? Eventually to such level that no dissociation can take place anymore – no radiation, no atomic break down; no nuclear?

BUT: This will mean all theories and experiments on Atomic structure will evaporate.
AND: We will need to discover Magnetism.

:thinking:

Yes Aromaz you are really starting to see that everything we though about electricity has been wrong. The mathematic model they made were only for how they understood what they thought was there.
This crystalline network is the true source of it all. It can pass a ghost of what is on the other end of that "conductor" without having charges. When that happens the charges which I think are collections of static in a bottle or layden jar so to speak. The charges are physical but much smaller then the bigger "conductors" They are mobile and can be induced to move and sense by a smaller set of "conductors" that follow the same rules of attraction or repulsion.
There can never be direct short of these charges only a movement of these "conductors" and then movement of the charges around these "conductors" in a vortex method twords a higher charge source. This whole process is automatically balanced by just the mere shape and size of the resulting network that forms from the attraction to the higher charge source. This shape is not only responsible for the movement but also for polarity or direction of that movement.
We have indeed been fooling ourselves into thinking that the old Theories have been right all the time because it had math behind it. Well to be honest that math was created to support the very theory they thought was correct. Instead of what effects were actually happening. When that theory failed to support other effects they ignored it and dismissed it as transient or not having merit. On a gross sense it appeared to add up but on the smallest scales it didn't add up.
This is what led me to believe that there wasn't a factual base to these theories.
One curious thing that I was seeing is that in water it tended to preserve the waves even if multiple waves were introduced and thats how I think it happens in our air as well. We can have unlimited signals like now because they don't interfere with each other in the sense that the charges would group. They don't because only the networks is being modulated and not real charges. Doing a test of this is very simple. Take a bathtub and give it two sources of signals (wave sources) and one can see the effects of this. The waves will propagate even through each other and continue till it hits the walls of the tub and back.
The "conductors" are like a capacitance and the charges are attracted to the rear of the "conductors" the effect of that happening has a lot of results. Some being source of charge. The shape gives direction and each plane has smaller subset of conductors that help it "sense" and then move to that other point of charge. These are not the typical "conductors" they are really channels that the charges can use to have real motion and that motion has reference points to use like anchors to pull against. These channels are much like magnets (source) and iron as director or channels for the source.
Since most real Conductors like iron is really a crystalline structure that is the connection I needed to prove this is right. How hard would a sub atomic crystal be to see? And how powerful would you think those crystalline particles would be if they don't really conduct? If they don't conduct in the traditional sense then there would be no limit to how much they could guide the charges that are moving over the "conductors".

tutanka
09-15-2010, 01:07 PM
Radiant energy is directed connected with atomic change state of molecules like air (nitrogen and oxygen), without that condition radiant energy isn't created!
If you want create directly electricity you need to use that principle.. Nothing is magic, about capacitos are used only as temporary storage of that energy. For obtain new energy you need High voltage mixed with positive DC at high frequency, that condition generated molecular instability that released an sea of electrons . Tesla using coils have found that but probably don't have explained all or maybe don't have understand right principle. Think that ... air around Tesla coils.
In that way using same work of Tesla with an not complicated coil you can recreate that condition and at the same time you obtain an not human dangerous electricity at high frequency that can light neons, lamps, etc.... In all case the radiant energy, as Tesla have named, appear only with the right resonance frequency.

wings
09-15-2010, 02:58 PM
Radiant energy is directed connected with atomic change state of molecules like air (nitrogen and oxygen), without that condition radiant energy isn't created!
If you want create directly electricity you need to use that principle.. Nothing is magic, about capacitos are used only as temporary storage of that energy. For obtain new energy you need High voltage mixed with positive DC at high frequency, that condition generated molecular instability that released an sea of electrons . Tesla using coils have found that but probably don't have explained all or maybe don't have understand right principle. Think that ... air around Tesla coils.
In that way using same work of Tesla with an not complicated coil you can recreate that condition and at the same time you obtain an not human dangerous electricity at high frequency that can light neons, lamps, etc.... In all case the radiant energy, as Tesla have named, appear only with the right resonance frequency.

più o meno quello che succede qui ?:

The Glow Discharge Plasma Panel Power tests (http://jlnlabs.online.fr/plasma/html/s_gdp4.htm)

tutanka
09-15-2010, 03:21 PM
più o meno quello che succede qui ?:

The Glow Discharge Plasma Panel Power tests (http://jlnlabs.online.fr/plasma/html/s_gdp4.htm)

NO! Usando il metodo Naudin estrai solamente una piccola parte dell'energia extra che il sistema produce.

Comunque...


Gli esperimenti di Naudin sono gli unici che evidenziano chiaramente una conoscenza approfondita e grandi intuizioni che rivelano un chiaro collegamento ai vari studi di Tesla, Gray, Smith, etc.. e sono , a mio avviso, chiare indicazioni di come procedere per raggiungere l'obiettivo finale, cioè produrre pura elettricità naturalmente e di come trasmetterla via etere come Tesla era riuscito a fare. Sono certo che Naudin sà chiaramente come creare questa energia radiante ma non può divulgare i diagrammi per la sua realizzazione.. quello che è certo non occorrono cose strane o circuiti impossibili e costosi .. l'energia radiante è sicuramente alla portata di tutti coloro che pensano semplicemente..

jimboot
03-19-2012, 09:18 AM
Interesting thanks for resurrecting this thread. Hadn't seen it before. Has made me think about a couple of my devices.

boguslaw
03-19-2012, 11:04 AM
Ah answer.....:D Something could be weak by nature or weak because being in balance :thumbsup: If you push the balance out it will return. Now you have somethign like twice the amount of energy from responding action times the frequency of pushpull.... And push can be minimalized with resonance , so you are able to close the whirl and energy is trapped in circle. We called them self-running devices:suprise:

ewizard
03-19-2012, 07:01 PM
nikolatesla411, :welcome: I'm also glad to see this thread resurrected. Do you have a schematic for what you are working on? I've read that due to losses in standard add ons that you actually need closer to a C.O.P of 2 or better to close the loop and get extra energy out.

ewizard
03-19-2012, 10:44 PM
Sorry to hear about the fleaBay experience. A PayPal complaint can usually get things taken care of eventually when there is a problem with a seller. I know there are lots of people here that can probably see what you are building already but I tend to need a drawing or picture to get it. So if you can do even a rough schematic or drawing of some sort I'm sure I'll get it better. It doesn't sound complex but I still get the picture better with a drawing. Maybe it's as simple as it sounds and what I'm really needing are some specific details and numbers. Still fuzzed out .... ;)

Ufopolitics
03-20-2012, 03:45 AM
No, I do not have schematics, but I could draw them in like 5-10 mins. The system is quite simple. There are no add-ons, simply in & out. I built this converter to be powered by a single solar panel, but deliver enough high voltage to excite the acid in ANY size battery or battery bank, up to about half the voltage of the pulse it's self.

I use a heavy duty relay as an oscillator, or circuit interrupter, with small capacitor to help time the action in relation to duty-cycle. The resulting square wave is then fed into a high efficiency coil, with a rectifier creating a positive terminal off of the negative feed.

With well timed pulses, the rectifier becomes the collector/controller. The energy coming out of the system is essentially backwards from the energy we use today from induction of sine waves.

It is much safer, taking up to 250 vdc before you even feel it, compared to the deadly results of household 130vac.

It acts on resistance, rather than specific impedance. Meaning a highly sulphated battery can be brought back to life using it's own internal resistance against it. And exciting acid with high voltage pulses, but not much current, will result in colder charging, longer life since the amperage isn't burning up the batteries guts, and less energy loss from heat.

This is the most efficient, and easiest method to gain these benefits. So far anyway. With people out there thinking as deep as some of those here, it won't be long before the nerds will be getting the girls! :v-peace:

There are several phenomenon I've notice, but prefer not to speculate on theoreticals as people tend to quote theories as fact, and it makes us all look like nutcases. The device is nearly complete, but some ***hole on ebay is refusing to give my money back, so I can't get the bonding agent to form the coil core. I have 2 pounds of powdered magnetite, and can't do anything atm.

Hello and :welcome: to this site NikolaTesla411,

It results very interesting your conversation here...but even more is the fact that you , as a brand new profile here...went all over to the Archives of this site...to find a Post created around Five Years ago, that did not had any other comments or posts since then, therefore we all could say kind of "abandoned"...And wonder why, being so many other very interesting "related posts" to Radiant Energy here on Front Pages...you went "directly" there...but I guess it is ok...I guess is weird to me but is fine.
My question is...Why didn't You created a brand spanking new post?
Radiant Energy II, maybe...

Anyways a big welcome here...I guess I will contribute also (by posting here) to the "Revival" of this ancient post...
Now related to your comments:

You wrote,

I use a heavy duty relay as an oscillator, or circuit interrupter, with small capacitor to help time the action in relation to duty-cycle. The resulting square wave is then fed into a high efficiency coil, with a rectifier creating a positive terminal off of the negative feed.


I guess You are using the word rectifier and not Diode for any specific reason?...I mean, You are using some "Old School Tech" so I thought maybe you are using Tesla's Vacuum Bulbs ELR 70 or something like...
The same exact things you are writing here, related to rectifiers (Diodes, same thing) I have it also on My Threadhttp://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10529-my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy.html...like putting a Diode at the end of Negative and obtaining Radiant Positive...or "to anyone knowledgeable in the Art"...could understand that also works in Reversal...Diode on Hot Positive obtains Negative Cold Electricity...from Radiant...


With well timed pulses, the rectifier becomes the collector/controller. The energy coming out of the system is essentially backwards from the energy we use today from induction of sine waves.

I have many, several videos, diagrams where I have exposed the same things here, except I have used Solid State Electronics...The Final Essential Set Up is the same as what you are mentioning...

So You would be very welcome to come by and take a look of what am working on, as well as render your professional opinion, very valuable to me and to the Members posting there...

Regards and nice to meet You Mr. Nikola Tesla 411.

Cheers

Ufopolitics

ewizard
03-20-2012, 05:48 AM
nikolatesla411, Just in case you didn't catch which thread Ufopolitics is talking about as his it's this one: click here (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10529-my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy.html) and is a very good place to visit IMO.
Thanks for elaborating a bit more. I've also got some confusion now on your use of 'rectifier' as Ufopolitics also mentioned. Old school rectifiers were sometimes big metal plate assemblies that almost looked like tuning capacitors but I doubt that's what you are talking about. Are you referring to full wave bridge rectifiers (4 wire leads) ? or are you simply referring to high current high voltage diode's such as the ones with screw threads on one end for attaching to a heat sink? I think I've got the rest of the picture now. I've got a good signal generator that can do square waves but I wonder if using a relay may actually be better for this as their can be some differences between solid state and mechanical on-off switching. At least I think there is some difference when it comes to creating radiant energy although you can emulate relays fairly well with high end solid state components. Do you have any idea what the frequency is with your relay?

BTW I think you'll find most members here a whole lot more open minded than physicsforum.com people. Heck I'm so open minded half my marbles have fallen out ;)

ewizard
03-20-2012, 06:42 AM
Got 'cha and we are on the same page as far as those definitions although some rectifiers I've got make those old school rectifiers look new. So my only question now is which type you are using - maybe even a part number? I do have some 20 kilovolt diodes around here somewhere although I think they are probably fairly low current. I could not seem to find anything close to the 15 kv 1 amp rectifier you mentioned when I looked at mouser.com. I didn't dig extensively but I wasn't seeing anything come up like that in a couple searches.

Ufopolitics
03-20-2012, 01:28 PM
These days the line between diode and rectifiers are blurred heavily. I'll attempt to clearify based on terms I studied with. :thinking: :thinking:

This is what old school tech considers a diode--> Redirect Notice (http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&sa=N&channel=fs&biw=1280&bih=673&tbm=isch&tbnid=re5BIyNl4FYu_M:&imgrefurl=http://9circuits.com/store/products/others/diode-zener-pack-of-5/&docid=LIEGJwEK68bBaM&imgurl=http://9circuits.com/store/wp-content/uploads/wpsc/product_images/zenerdiode.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=hRtoT-uRGc-LsALt2-WTCQ&zoom=1)


This is what old school tech calls a rectifier--> Redirect Notice (http://www.google.com/imgres?start=83&um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&sa=N&channel=fs&biw=1280&bih=673&addh=36&tbm=isch&tbnid=Ory9PttSpyP68M:&imgrefurl=http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/ultra-fast-recovery-diode.html&docid=IwxbBUA2mAGhPM&imgurl=http://www.electronicrepairguide.com/images/ultra%252520fast%252520recovery%252520diodes.jpg&w=270&h=266&ei=uBtoT72ONoaPsQKItY2wCQ&zoom=1)



But these days the 2 are pretty much considered the same, even though the functions are different. There are also different classifications of rectifiers. Your thinking of the industrials that are in alternators, battery chargers, and heavy machinery.

These are considered industrial rectifiers--> Redirect Notice (http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&biw=1280&bih=673&tbm=isch&tbnid=HraQJaZXtkqfjM:&imgrefurl=http://www.tootoo.com/buy-rectifier_diode/&docid=gG5g4WweSfHEYM&imgurl=http://img.tootoo.com/mytootoo/upload/53/530061/product/530061_1950f725c3ce3717d958797ef6de182b.jpg&w=556&h=556&ei=zx1oT5eGIeSEsgKJ5vWuCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=185&vpy=48&dur=3213&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=120&ty=131&sig=100287171667829941480&page=4&tbnh=152&tbnw=155&start=63&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:63)

OR the bridge rectifiers--> Redirect Notice (http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=ubuntu&sa=N&channel=fs&biw=1280&bih=673&tbm=isch&tbnid=35mb2DTcskbD2M:&imgrefurl=http://bridgerectifier.org/&docid=mg5V7k_FphEnNM&imgurl=http://bridgerectifier.org/wp-content/uploads/Bridge-Rectifier.jpg&w=300&h=300&ei=uR5oT6aJJKf5sQKbxISZCQ&zoom=1)

The line between rectifier and diode is all but erased these days.


Hello Nikola Tesla 411,

Those are the same rectifiers or Diodes I use, here where I buy them the manufacturer is NTE...Is the NTE576 which is equal to the UF5404

NTE Cross Reference (http://nte01.nteinc.com/nte%5CNTExRefSemiProd.nsf/$all/7E92D0FCD2617A02852579100082E150?OpenDocument)

Tesla used relays also, but as I understand He also used specific type of motors where He inserted inside the commutator elements a specific timely contact with other set of brushes...

How about Caps (Capacitors) to store this type of electricity?
It blows the electrolytic' s...as I understand Tesla used the Oil Based, and I know many are using polyethylene dielectric with aluminum paper rolls...but that renders a low timing uF Cap...just for the timely spark-gap junction time for Tesla Coils in the 0.01 range...however, it is not a large reservoir or storage cap...

Which ones Do You use for those purposes, to store Radiant Energy?
What signal do you send to the Relay? in order to oscillate like that?

On the other hand, I believe we all need this tech to be developed...we need to show electrical could be as powerful as Gas and Oil...we need this. So, do not let the stupid disappoint you, there are a lot of people very serious about this.
Cheers

Ufopolitics

FRC
03-20-2012, 03:19 PM
Would like to see your circuit. Yes a relay charger works very well. That was the
first radiant charger that I made when I found this forum. It was the Imhotep
Relay charger. I think Ozzie Callahan also has a circuit similar to yours but he
uses a selonoid with a coil instead of a relay. It sounds like you are getting
good output. I was hoping that I could figure out how to adapt the coil to
the Imhotep charger in order to get the radiant energy amplification you are
getting. There once was a thread here for the Imhotep Relay Charger. It
could be resurrected, but your relay charger is a bit different.

George

ewizard
03-20-2012, 05:18 PM
I agree on the lack of difference between rectifier and diode. Having started building electronic circuits 50 years ago I've never felt there was any important difference in them. Thanks again for the additional details. I was also thinking it sounded somewhat like the Imhotep circuit but it sounds like it may work even better.
Funny about the Windows/Linux dummy. I run Linux, Windoze and OSX all on the same computer. But as much as I know there are a lot of 'dummies' out there I tend to believe everyone is doing the best they can. I think everyone is being given lessons all the time and everyone is at different stages of learning. I even think some souls make agreements to come into this lifetime - for example as a homeless person - to teach others lessons. Well enough off topic so I think I've got enough concept of your circuit to give it a try now and I'm sure I've already got all the components. I do the parts scrounging too any way I can. I recently got an old 50" Sony big screen TV for free - triple flyback in it and lots of heavy duty parts. Even the Fresnel will be good for Solar cooking if things get bad :thumbsup:

citfta
03-20-2012, 07:28 PM
Even after an atmospheric nuclear detonation, my devices will still work. It's like the difference between a CB, and a cell phone. an EMP will fry a cell phone instantly, but the CB will continue to function.

I agree with a lot of what you have to say but I am curious why you think a CB would survive an EMP. All CB's are electronic devices too with a lot of solid state components. Only if you get some really old Ham Radio equipment are you going to find some that are all tube type which would survive an EMP.

Carroll

Ufopolitics
03-21-2012, 05:36 PM
:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:

[...]

If you wire a relay through a set of it's own contacts, it will stay "on" long enough to charge the coil which will pull the arm to break the contact. The contact arms are spring loaded and will auto-reset to there default position, starting the cycle again. It will react as fast as possible based on strength of field, and the return strength of the spring. There nowhere NEAR as fast as solid state, but they are dirt cheap and can produce a clean square wave.

With a relay wired in such a fashion, it only needs a steady DC current. It does 100% of the action it's self. And if you add a capacitor to the relays coil, you can alter the timing by storing a small charge to be released, which will cause the relay to have more than needed for the action, so the action will be more energetic. The type and rating of the capacitor will determine timing. :cool:

[...]



Hello Nikolatesla411,


Normally a relay have four to five legs...Two for coil contacts to energize coil (low voltage) and a third for a low voltage contact (in some cases when coil and low volt contact is N/O) and another two that establishes the Higher Voltage (Normally Open) contacts...
According to what you have written above you wire the relay "between its own contacts"...I understand you mix High and Low voltages, in order that only have two to three wires coming in-out of relay...Am I right there?
Do you use the energizing coil as part of the relay coil contacts, meaning connected in parallel or you feed a steady positive or negative side to Energizing coil?
I do not understand how the relay "resets" back to normal position to create the Time Off at square wave, if there is not a shunt or circuit to do that job, once saturated, release the contacts that energize the coil?

It's been a while since I do not play with relays...(Can You tell?... :rofl: ) and am sorry for any stupid questions I made have asked...

I play with Solid State, and it's fine, however, I also like the Old school...based on relays...I believe is far more robust as contacts and strength of switching goes...I believe Radiant Energy does not requires such high pulsations...in the Mega or Gigahertz ranges for it to thrive.

The other thing I may ask you...

Do you try to keep the Hot electricity Induction as low as possible , or at least as isolated as possible, in order to allow for Radiant to thrive better?, meaning, by reducing the steel frames that transfer Hot flux?
I had done it in completely plastic-fiberglass air cores...from primary-secondary...and independent steel "space" frames for each electricity (Hot and Cold) isolated by non ferrous materials with great success...

Thanks for your sharing, mostly appreciated!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

boguslaw
03-21-2012, 07:56 PM
Funny thing ... I'm looking for heavy duty relay all the time and it's the most precious and costly element then most of mosfets or igbt even. Especially if you need relay with two independent contact sets. :eek:
Still cannot find the one capable of sustaining large current for similar circuit.

Ufopolitics
03-21-2012, 11:19 PM
Hello Nikolatesla411,


Normally a relay have four to five legs...Two for coil contacts to energize coil (low voltage) and a third for a low voltage contact (in some cases when coil and low volt contact is N/O) and another two that establishes the Higher Voltage (Normally Open) contacts...
According to what you have written above you wire the relay "between its own contacts"...I understand you mix High and Low voltages, in order that only have two to three wires coming in-out of relay...Am I right there?
Do you use the energizing coil as part of the relay coil contacts, meaning connected in parallel or you feed a steady positive or negative side to Energizing coil?
I do not understand how the relay "resets" back to normal position to create the Time Off at square wave, if there is not a shunt or circuit to do that job, once saturated, release the contacts that energize the coil?

It's been a while since I do not play with relays...(Can You tell?... :rofl: ) and am sorry for any stupid questions I made have asked...

I play with Solid State, and it's fine, however, I also like the Old school...based on relays...I believe is far more robust as contacts and strength of switching goes...I believe Radiant Energy does not requires such high pulsations...in the Mega or Gigahertz ranges for it to thrive.

The other thing I may ask you...

Do you try to keep the Hot electricity Induction as low as possible , or at least as isolated as possible, in order to allow for Radiant to thrive better?, meaning, by reducing the steel frames that transfer Hot flux?
I had done it in completely plastic-fiberglass air cores...from primary-secondary...and independent steel "space" frames for each electricity (Hot and Cold) isolated by non ferrous materials with great success...

Thanks for your sharing, mostly appreciated!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

This may look like am going mentally insane...well, I am...:rofl:

I found the answer on what you are doing NikolaTesla411...related to Relay hooking up:

Ok, first it MUST BE a "Normally Closed" contact Relay, meaning, that when power is applied to its coil it opens up the circuit...instead as must of relay's do...(close circuit when coil is activated).
In order that when sending a linear voltage to the coil relay, it transfers through the HV contacts to Main Coil (T-On) (and it is now I understand, that by adding a Condenser or Cap between Relay's Coil legs expands the T-On's)...
As Relay Coil gets voltage-magnetic field on it, with enough or more force as spring tension...then it separate contact plates at High Voltage terminals and it opens the circuit (T-Off). Some relays have a mechanical adjustment on spring strength in order to force additional T-On to open contacts...delaying or reducing time on...
Now it could be worked out with a N/O Normally Open relay...but then it will needs a pulsed DC signal...or maybe a condenser or mica cap at relay coil will do the switching...I have not tried this way before...

The good thing about relays is that We could increase the linear voltage to output through a simple Pot on the High Voltage circuit...
On a relay I rather keep the Low Voltage (Coil and contacts) isolated from the HV..so that contacts do not burnt or wear up faster at Higher Voltage switching...The same as we keep the 555 Timer low voltage signals from HV by using MOSFET's...

Relays and Solenoids are to me almost the same thing...except for the looks...it is same principle...A coil-electromagnet set-up, that Opens or Closes HV Contacts when energized at low voltages...
In Electric Cars they use it to open the HV terminal to Controller-Power Train (Motor Trans-axle) with a low voltage ignition Switch...and some controllers (most by now) also have a Turn on circuit that also gets activated by Low voltage signals from ignition switch.

So, Boguslaw, You could use a Solenoid from an Electric Car...or Golf Cart...they are rated from 24-36 to 48-72 Volts...and very high Amps, so contacts at HV are super duty...:thumbsup:

Nikolatesla411...forget my question about relays...by making the "Pentium work" I traveled back to my old school days...:) , and please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks


Regards to all


Ufopolitics

Bob Smith
03-22-2012, 03:05 AM
NT411
You mentioned using a relay to get your square wave. Check out Mopozco's setup - seems to be getting sq wave with very simple setup as well:
reed-switch spinner l - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGHAMMEm8lo&list=UUVesA155Der2tRd5vpyYdJw&index=2&feature=plcp)
Comments anyone?
b

Bob Smith
03-22-2012, 11:35 PM
A reed switch can do the job, but not near as efficiently, or as effectively as a relay that can handle the current demands without heating up. Heat is lost energy, and a little reed switch is just not enough. Sure if you just wanna play with a small model as a toy it would work just fine. But if you want any real power out of the system, you need to put real power into it.

This is the type of mindset Bedini and Bearden have. They want to use transistors, and diodes and all the weak stuff and then you wind up blowing the entire circuit the moment you disconnect the load.

My way is virtually indestructable, and should supply enough gain to power an entire house, no matter the size of the battery bank.
Thanks Nik411. Makes a lot of sense in more ways than one.
Bob

Ufopolitics
03-23-2012, 02:27 AM
No, I do not mix voltages or currents. There is only ONE voltage input. I'll put this so simply a 5 year old can understand it, and after that I will not repeat myself again. :suprise: :mad:

It's spring loaded, thats how it resets it's self.

Negative input goes to relay negative. Positive goes to relay contacts that are on in relaxed state, then from the corresponding contact to the relay positive terminal.

Your limiting your thought patterns to a single type of relay. My relays, which I got off of Ebay, have 3 sets of contacts, and 2 coil terminals. Each set of contacts has 1 arm, and a contact in front of and behind the arm.

But I am only using half of 2 sets. The coil sees the exact same pulse as the relay, since the relay loads faster than the coil. Half of the 3rd set controls the relay action. half of all 3 sets fire at the exact same time, but only 1 of the half sets controls the relay oscillations.

I don't mean to be rude, but when I practically spell it out and I get questions like that...well...stupid questions get stupid answers, so I had to "dumb it down" a bit. :wall: :wall:





NT411,

No, you were not rude, I made a stupid question and It is entirely my fault...:wall:
For your new explanation, since a 5 year old could understand it I asked my Grandson and Gran daughter...They were happy to take their time with me...finally I got it...Thanks

You use Dual switching relays, three way, or three sets...(each arm have a contact in front and rear...") Arm pivots to close one contact and open the other one...

Now, you Pulse Both, Positive and Negative terminals going to the energizing Coil...according to your description of the #'s of sets "usage", 2 out of three...


I have my grand son here just in case...:rofl:

Regards

Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics
03-23-2012, 02:53 AM
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Not even close! What part of relay, singular not plural, did you not get?!? Everyone here understands it clearly, EXCEPT YOU!!

I'd stomp a puppy to death for a camera right now.....:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

A short video would make things clear, even to a goldfish with cataract!

You must have went to public school. It's the only explanation.

NT411,

I knowwww it is a single relay!!...
Was talking about the Contact Sets!!...1 SET= 1 Arm with two contacts, I assume One N/Open One N/Closed.

Are You oscillating Both Energizing Coil Ends (Positive and Negative) or just using a Ground and pulsing Positive?

That was my main question, I understood the "relay" part...My 5 YO grand son explain it carefully...

Regards

Ufopolitics

ewizard
03-23-2012, 02:58 AM
I've gotta' agree with cifta on the CB thing as I've had 'em and built them since about 1965 and they all had either transistors or tubes but darned few had tubes. I had some that had crystals but that was just for setting the frequency and they still had transistors. I actually built some CB walkie-talkies from kits and all had transistors. Only thing that's going to save most things electrical from a strong enough EMP is a Faraday cage.

I didn't intend using a flyback for this but was just saying the triple flyback was one of the unique things I found recently by scrounging electronic parts and a reason I like garage sales, thrift stores and even an occassional dumpster dive. I understand how the relay setup you have works but I think people who may not have had the Imhotep 'experience' might not so readily realize how you can use a relay like you are doing. It's a good thing to have some fiberglass insulation or something similar if you are going to run one much that way as they get noisy and annoying. Just build a small enclosure for it with insulation and the noise can disappear.

ewizard
03-23-2012, 03:49 AM
With gas headed toward $5 a gallon (so they say) I'm sure everyone would jump on having a vehicle like that. I think it can be done a number of ways. I guess Turion (who jumped in this thread recently I believe) said on his 3 battery thread he just got an EV motor he hopes to use in a car if he can nail down the parameters causing his batteries to stay charged while running a motor. I may not have a lot of money but if I could be sure I could run electric without having to stop every hundred or so miles to recharge and it didn't cost a fortune in batteries I'd be all over that plan. That's the FREEDOM we all dream of. :thumbsup:

boguslaw
03-23-2012, 07:08 AM
The problem people have with EV's is the mentality that they NEED a 4 door sedan with 300HP. Every member of the human species takes EVERYTHING for granted until they don't have it anymore.

And this drive to desire more, bigger, nicer, flashier, faster, is whats holding it all back. I'm going to build a 2 person street legal shielded, enclosed go cart. It's super light weight, no more than a person would need for themselves and maybe 1 passenger, and some groceries or whatever. It's all you NEED.

You don't NEED to get to the speed limit in 2.2 seconds. You don't NEED so much torque the front end pops off the ground. You don't NEED room for 8 people when 95% of the time there's just you.

Opulence is the enemy of efficiency. :thinking:

Hey! I think I just found a quote for myself...:cool:

Sure.It will work. Remember to place mass center near ground. I planned in future to convert my car into EV but the mass of engine is what keep it stable (it's horrible high and not stable but small car from Deawoo :rofl: ). It is a problem during strong wind.
If we can return to relay : how did you got heavy duty relay ? I'm jealous :embarrassed:
Bear with me (english is no ma native language) - are you pulsing relay or rather set it in self-oscillating mode using one set of contacts and relay coil ?
I tried self-oscillating mode and it's fine unless you want something like connecting in series additional high inductance coil which kills oscillation :mad: I guess such charging coil should be placed in different relay contacts set along with power source

citfta
03-23-2012, 10:23 AM
Guys look up Patrick Kelly and you will see a list of all kinds of Free Energy devices. There is a whole chapter on pulsed energy systems with schematics. See chapter 6. Imhotep who is a member of this forum first posted the relay charger on this very forum. You can look it up here with the search function.

Carroll

PS: link to Patrick Kelly ebook: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

Iotayodi
03-23-2012, 01:28 PM
no more than a person would need for themselves and maybe 1 passenger, and some groceries or whatever. It's all you NEED.
Unless you live in the country or have to travel a major distance. Haul building materiels Etc. Then there is the safety issue with smaller lightweight vehicles.

Ufopolitics
03-23-2012, 05:13 PM
I'm not worried about the noise, as the system will be used as the solar charging unit for an electric vehicle I'm planning to build. I am going to build my own endless mileage electric transportation to prove once and for all that electric vehicle are MORE than practical.

With the advances in battery tech over the last decade or so, a small light weight vehicle will run for hundreds of miles per charge, maybe even thousands of miles per charge. And with this controller charging with more energy than I use to drive the vehicle, I can drive ALL DAY, and at night the battery will supply more than enough power to go as far as I need it to go.

With such a vehicle, I can take on all the bets these millionaires put out there for anyone who could prove over-unity.:yahoo:

And just because you 2 haven't come across it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Such as the 1 wire earth broadcasting.


NT411,

I thought You were using Radiant Energy fully...
Why need a solar panel for your vehicle?...Radiant Energy is available 24/7...Day-Night.
A small voltage oscillator (whether solid state or relay operated) could be ran by a small voltage pack of batteries that could be easily recharged with the power produced by the Coil Converter into Radiant.
To make a vehicle "run for ever" the motor would have to be modified...just a bit, but it will use a higher percentage of Radiant Energy, while using the Motor windings also as energizing coils for Radiant.

I have found out that a small resistance coil, heavy wire 18 or 16 gauge, some 300-600 Turns of double stranded wire (bifilar) in parallel will create a very strong field, enough to have triple or more Radiant Energy field coming into your system.

I have done a Coil, where I get Radiant out of primary...through diodes blocking Hot current, and direct sourced Radiant, meaning pure, from all secondaries I want to add...of finer wire, several turns 4000 and up of 33 gauge. I run secondaries in the horizontal plane (parallel winding to primary, sandwiched between) and in the vertical plane...longitudinal to Primary imaginary axis...why more power?...this is plenty and more than enough.

One of the secondaries must be connected to a spark gap- HV condenser to enhance the rest of coils.


Regards

Ufopolitics

nikolatesla411
03-23-2012, 05:14 PM
NT411 is offering nothing new except adding disinformation and harassment.

Carroll


YOU came in harassing me for absolutely no reason. What I say may not be original, but I have done the work and it has brought a better understanding to the devices for some of the people here, which is EXACTLY what I set out to do!

DENY THAT MR. CYBER-BULLY!!!:wall: :wall: :wall:

There's nothing anyone can do that hasn't been done already in 1 way or another. KNOWN FACT! I simply put it all together better, with a better understanding of the forces involved than the people had however long ago. Plus we have better performing tech these days.

I NEVER claimed any rights to any of the sum parts of my device, but the device IS mine!:wall: :wall:

You can cyber-bully me all you want, but my statements in my own defence are protected under the constitution. Your attacks on my character are not.

Oh, FYI, slander and defamation of character are prosecutable crimes. :mad:

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You wanted to feel threatened for no reason?!? Well, now you have a reason. I have a new goal to shut you down in everyone's eyes, and make you look like what you are. An attention hogging bully of a push-over! !

Just for the record. I have only known Carroll for only a short time, but in that short time he has been extremely helpfull and supportive, He has always been quick to point out errors in a constructive way. He has also showed where we are on the right track. I would strongly recommend that you atleast consider his advise. He is of great value to this forum.
Honestly there is no need to threaten him like that. In fact I will take this one step further and simply say there is no way you could "shut Carroll down" in our eyes. He is a valued member of this forum, one whom I greatly respect.
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03-23-2012, 07:48 PM
Just for the record. I have only known Carroll for only a short time, but in that short time he has been extremely helpfull and supportive, He has always been quick to point out errors in a constructive way. He has also showed where we are on the right track. I would strongly recommend that you atleast consider his advise. He is of great value to this forum.
Honestly there is no need to threaten him like that. In fact I will take this one step further and simply say there is no way you could "shut Carroll down" in our eyes. He is a valued member of this forum, one whom I greatly respect.
Bizzy

If it were advice or constructive criticism I would. But all he's done is bad mouth me and call me a fake. That is NOT advice, and it is NOT constructive.

Why do I even bother with people like you? What he did to me was not only wrong, but it is illegal in every state!

Albert Einstein said "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.". He never bothered to investigate. He never bothered to be a reasonable human being and give me time to get a camera to take the pics. He bashed me with each post, calling me a fraud and offered NO technical rebutle, advice, or pointers. He only bashed me. And by you taking his side, you are also not fully investigating the situation, which by the way is on the record and I am in PM with the admin.

If this is all I'm going to get by trying to give a different view point, then you are just as bad as he is. Illegal is illegal, no matter how long he's been here or what he has helped with.

I should just keep everything to myself. And when you start seeing my name in papers and on TV, and getting funding while you sit here and talk, you'll wish you had kept your mouth shut. :mad: :mad:

You yourself said you've only known him a short time. How can ANYONE make a character judgement based on such a short term. Life long friends don't become life long friends in a week.

Ufopolitics
03-23-2012, 08:53 PM
Some people here -meaning in this entire site- "believe" (must of the times believe to themselves only, and in some cases some rookies and newbies follow them as gods) that they know it all, anyone beyond their point of understanding will be automatically "classified" by them as "Clowns, or Fakes, Hoaxers that have no idea what they are talking about..."
It happened to me in my first Post here...a whole bunch of "know it all CLOWNS" came to tell my diode did not make any difference....that it was just a copy of a Bedini and a Booster Regulator that I just added a diode...
After I showed them ALL that I was right, after I made all the test required by "Their Majesty" Clowns...then they left like a screamed at DOG.

Well by now, all those CLOWNS have disappeared from my sight, and I am very Glad they did so.

Here started about a nonsense argument about a CB...Transistorized or not...when in FACT, this post is about RADIANT ENERGY and NOT CB's.
And I could NOT really CARE LESS if CB's were EVER made out of just Diodes, Resistors and a Crystal...or CLAY...

What I can see through ALL THIS ARGUMENTS, is that whenever This "Believe to Know it All" People here, do not have a point to refute a Solid set-up, then they decide to use ANY other, non related argument, trying to make the whole thread to collapse...Or try to say the Guy putting his set up up front is a Fake...

Nikola Tesla 411, They will keep trying...is a process their Ego makes them go through...but at the end, they will run out of here...

Do not give up over non sense arguments, Your Set Up is very strong, and very little to do trying to bring it down.

Cheers


Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics
03-23-2012, 09:17 PM
And just cause you say my devices are false and misleading makes it so?!? Wait till I get a camera, and I'll push for your removal from this forum.

Push all you want. I haven't flamed anyone like you just did. That alone is enough to get you banned. I was here long before you and I'll still be here after everyone figures out you are a phony. I love how all the clowns that come on here making wild claims can never back them up with photos or videos or schematics either. When I see deliberate disinformation I am going to say so. Your relay circuit is nothing new. You probably copied it from the Patrick Kelly chapter on pulsed energy systems.

Guys look up Patrick Kelly and you will see a list of all kinds of Free Energy devices. There is a whole chapter on pulsed energy systems with schematics. See chapter 6. Imhotep who is a member of this forum first posted the relay charger on this very forum. You can look it up here with the search function. NT411 is offering nothing new except adding disinformation and harassment.


Carroll

PS: link to Patrick Kelly ebook: http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

[Nikolatesla411]..."I use a heavy duty relay as an oscillator, or circuit interrupter, with small capacitor to help time the action in relation to duty-cycle. The resulting square wave is then fed into a high efficiency coil, with a rectifier creating a positive terminal off of the negative feed.

With well timed pulses, the rectifier becomes the collector/controller. The energy coming out of the system is essentially backwards from the energy we use today from induction of sine waves.

It is much safer, taking up to 250 vdc before you even feel it, compared to the deadly results of household 130vac. .."

Is this set-up-statement from Nikolatesla411 above...ANY "disinformation", Fake or by any chance Not True to You Citfta?
I made the must important statements by Nikolatesla411 in Bold letters...
I back Up entirely this set up and statements, He is COMPLETELY RIGHT about it, and ANYONE saying it is wrong, a fake or non sense...is, without ANY doubts AT ALL, trying to manipulate everyone of You guys out there (Not me, I know, and I am completely SURE it works JUST like this) into Never finding out the reality about Radiant Energy!

And I DO, Back Up my Claims with Videos, Diagrams, Tests, and helping others also to understand it and to replicate it.


Regards

Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics
03-23-2012, 09:43 PM
Radiant Energy Field manifests in OPPOSITE DIRECTION to our Induced through our pulses Electro-Magnetic Field... to ANY COIL of magnetic wire out there. No matter if it is a Motor, A Generator, A Transformer or an Inductor of ANY kind and form on this planet... Therefore, it is understood, it generates a current-electricity of opposite, reverse flow to ours.

C EMF, Back EMF is a "Story Teller", a Soap Opera, a Clown Show mounted and created to satisfy the Oil Interests, the Copper Industry Interests and of course the Bankers who Invests in this very "Profitable" and Only "reliable" Energy we all have so far...since C EMF or Back EMF exists,... we will never, ever, be able to accomplish any Electric Motor running an Electric Generator...or a Motor Generator outputting more than what it takes as Input...We will have to keep using an old farting Gas or Diesel stinking and lethal engines...very convenient Eh?!

Let's take a look at "The Confusion" ways of the "Clown Show"...C EMF stands for "Counter Electro "Motive Force", and NOT Counter Electro Magnetic Field...No, No no...even though they simply looked for the "perfect letters-words" IDENTICAL, in order to generate misleading to facts.

FACT AND REALITY: A Counter Electro Magnetic Field is what it takes place there. and that field generates a Counter Electromotive Force...and a Counter Electricity...called Radiant Energy. period.

No Collapsing Field from just One Magnetic Field Story teller anymore is what changes-reverses the polarity of ANY COIL Out there...Is proven, I have proven it on my videos, DEFINING RADIANT ENERGY FIELD (Part 1) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYOwKkNs4lk&list=UUdmFG5BeS0YnD2b5zasXXng&index=1&feature=plcp)there ARE TWO Opposite to each others Electromagnetic Fields, NOT JUST ONE, like Dark Ages Classic Physics wants Us all, to believe...NOT ANYMORE BABY!!...

Just a simple Diode or Rectifier set-up in order to block our Hot current at either negative or positive, or both at same time, right off the Coil, will RELEASE and show this Cold Electricity manifests extraordinarily strong, robust and capable of performing much better than our Hot electricity...This so simple as drinking a glass of water...

It could be pulsed by relays, or solid state...or by a Com-mutating Brushed Motor like Nikola Tesla did back over One Hundred years ago...

And the great news is that Radiant Energy Field is of greater intensity than ours, a higher frequency, and a more robust behavior. And It does NOT need the Massive Bulk of Steel E Frames...Y Frames or center beefy cores anymore...it "Fluxes through the Air, Her "medium"...where Radiant is at all times...Aether.

Any contradictions to those facts above, Anyone who try to mislead Us from believing this facts...are just MANIPULATIONS, CRIPPLING, DISTORTIONS of a REALITY... in order to "try" to confuse the readers here...So We never get to understand Radiant Energy, or Cold Electricity. Period.

Regards to ALL


Ufopolitics

Ufopolitics
03-23-2012, 10:27 PM
It really does not matters how We all pulse the Coil...How we add a Solid State or a Relay mechanical method to obtain pulses...
It really do not matter any set-up differences on how to get our field to collapse in order to generate Radiant Field coming Up, or the Square Wave Signaling Equipment.

All this are just "peripheral" and necessary equipment to make it happen, the same as the "Power Source"...but it should not be defined as radical or the "Only One Way Out"...just because there are many ways to achieve this end.

The basic principle lays in simple diodes or rectifiers who are in charge to block our current and allow Radiant Energy to flow out of our system from any Coil.

How we stabilize our system to make it more robust?...that's another "peripheral" work...not primary, not essential to an existing fact.

Generating an argument over a different method is a completely non sense argument to reach our main goals, and We should not allow them to happen here, on this site. Much less is to generate arguments based on not even "related issues" here. like CB's for example.

We have to work as a team...not trying to prove the other is wrong or fake...that is not a scientific approach at all, and will ever get Us anywhere.

Regards to all

Ufopolitics

admin
03-24-2012, 12:39 AM
Everything was going just dandy till he showed up! I'll remove my name calling when his illegal posts are removed.

I do have the legal right to subpoena you for his private IP address, and sue him for defamation of character, and slander. Not to mention cyber-bullying is a federal crime that carries sentences in the YEARS!

And reprimanding, suspending, or banning me for stating legal fact is considered retaliation and also illegal.

This is a PRIVATE forum - you register and agree to abide by the rules. It is NOT a public forum where anyone can just do what they want. We reserve the right to ban anyone for any purpose.

After the forum rule was posted, you change your avatar to a pornographic picture. Taunting the members or the administrators is not acceptable - therefore, your presence in this forum is also not acceptable.

Ufopolitics
03-24-2012, 01:18 AM
This is a PRIVATE forum - you register and agree to abide by the rules. It is NOT a public forum where you can just do what you want. We CAN and WILL ban ANYONE, period!

After the forum rule was posted, you change your avatar to a pornographic picture. Taunting the members or the administrators is not acceptable - therefore, your presence in this forum is also not acceptable.

Admin,

This is a PRIVATE Forum..."As private as any outsider, without logging in, nor "identifying him her self"... could review, and copy any Forum, Thread or posts, as well as Diagrams, Pictures or any Info displayed here...

Are those attributes supposed to belong to a Private Forum?

In Nikola Tesla's 411, first post here and the following ones I have been participating, and He was NOT- AT ANY POINT- making any harassment, insults nor any bad wordings at all, to anyone of Us who starting asking questions and posting our comments...

It started over the non sense and not RELATED argument, about a darn CB, and that was started by Member Citfta ,manifesting His "Not Believing and Not Accepting" the fact that there ARE CB's without Transistors and without Vacuum Tubes...THIS NON RELATED ISSUE DEVIATED THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION TO THIS POINT.

NUMBER ONE- The Argument brought by Member Citfta ,was , OUT, RULED OUT OF ANY RELATION to this post here about...RADIANT ENERGY AND NOT CB'S.

You are the Admin here, and if you have noticed NT411 had removed valuable comments made by Him here, However, they are still QUOTED by other members posting here, like ME in our comments.

Review Them.
Go over them and tell me if there is any lack of respect, or any Harassment to anyone of Us , except when the CB argument started up.

Citfta: I am waiting for your answer In My Question to You above.


If this gets into any "drastic and non fair decision" I will address, first thing Monday Morning the Person who referred me to this site. To go over with Him, about this specific determination.

Ufopolitics

Farmhand
03-24-2012, 01:24 AM
Radiant Energy Field manifests in OPPOSITE DIRECTION to our Induced through our pulses Electro-Magnetic Field... to ANY COIL of magnetic wire out there. No matter if it is a Motor, A Generator, A Transformer or an Inductor of ANY kind and form on this planet... Therefore, it is understood, it generates a current-electricity of opposite, reverse flow to ours.

C EMF, Back EMF is a "Story Teller", a Soap Opera, a Clown Show mounted and created to satisfy the Oil Interests, the Copper Industry Interests and of course the Bankers who Invests in this very "Profitable" and Only "reliable" Energy we all have so far...since C EMF or Back EMF exists,... we will never, ever, be able to accomplish any Electric Motor running an Electric Generator...or a Motor Generator outputting more than what it takes as Input...We will have to keep using an old farting Gas or Diesel stinking and lethal engines...very convenient Eh?!

Let's take a look at "The Confusion" ways of the "Clown Show"...C EMF stands for "Counter Electro "Motive Force", and NOT Counter Electro Magnetic Field...No, No no...even though they simply looked for the "perfect letters-words" IDENTICAL, in order to generate misleading to facts.



No Collapsing Field from just One Magnetic Field Story teller anymore is what changes-reverses the polarity of ANY COIL Out there...Is proven, I have proven it on my videos, DEFINING RADIANT ENERGY FIELD (Part 1) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYOwKkNs4lk&list=UUdmFG5BeS0YnD2b5zasXXng&index=1&feature=plcp)there ARE TWO Opposite to each others Electromagnetic Fields, NOT JUST ONE, like Dark Ages Classic Physics wants Us all, to believe...NOT ANYMORE BABY!!...

Just a simple Diode or Rectifier set-up in order to block our Hot current at either negative or positive, or both at same time, right off the Coil, will RELEASE and show this Cold Electricity manifests extraordinarily strong, robust and capable of performing much better than our Hot electricity...This so simple as drinking a glass of water...

It could be pulsed by relays, or solid state...or by a Com-mutating Brushed Motor like Nikola Tesla did back over One Hundred years ago...

And the great news is that Radiant Energy Field is of greater intensity than ours, a higher frequency, and a more robust behavior. And It does NOT need the Massive Bulk of Steel E Frames...Y Frames or center beefy cores anymore...it "Fluxes through the Air, Her "medium"...where Radiant is at all times...Aether.

Any contradictions to those facts above, Anyone who try to mislead Us from believing this facts...are just MANIPULATIONS, CRIPPLING, DISTORTIONS of a REALITY... in order to "try" to confuse the readers here...So We never get to understand Radiant Energy, or Cold Electricity. Period.

Regards to ALL


Ufopolitics


Hear that folks if anything anyone says goes against what Ufopolitics says then
in his opinion it is disinformation. No post are welcome unless they are in
agreement. The objective appears to be to create an environment where
nothing is questioned no matter how unlikely it may be. This suits people who
want to dictate to weak minded people what is what.

I agree with Cifta and we appreciate people like him with real world experience
saying what "he" see's as suspicious or contradictory.

If people want to experiment with your's or any circuit most of us will say go
ahead, but you are mistaken if you think you have something special. You
have an inductive collapse collector circuit in my opinion. Others agree and so
we said this and gave information to support it. Because what we said didn't
agree with what you said you say we are all clowns, fair enough, your entitled
to your opinion. but so are we. If people want to believe you they can. It's a
free world.

nikolatesla411, I empathize with your predicament, I also have titanium
implants in my neck due to destroyed intervertebral discs, two weeks after my
operation another disc burst and one bulged, I understand what true pain is,
it is a constant companion to me, and everyday is a new challenge. I have
also been through a transient stage in my life with no stable place to stay.

Now I have a place to stay and use most of my productive time to improve
my mind and help the people who help me, I believe I have a sharp mind and a
keen eye. However sometimes in order to help the people who helped me I
must upset them, you see they are locked into the throw away and
consumerism lifestyle, I have saved them an enormous amount of money by
repairing stuff they would usually throw away. But this doesn't make them feel
the need to earn less money or change their ways overnight, but I do see a
gradual change for the better.

Here's an example, most cheap pedestal fans have solid brass bearings but no
way for the bearings to be lubricated especially the rear bearing, these fans
have a low starting torque so as soon as the rear bearing gets dry it heats up
and causes enough friction to slow the fan and eventually prevent starting,
this is easily fixed by removing the cover and the gearbox so the rear bearing
can be lubricated. Instant saving of 40 dollars. The only parts of those fans
that can really wear out is the bearing and the capacitor, it is best to oil the
rear bearing as soon as the fan becomes slow to start. The gear box wears
out too but they can still work without the gearbox to move the fan head.

Another one was an expensive milwaukee cordless drill which appeared to
have a locked shaft or gearbox and was to be thrown away, the problem was
two steel washers had somehow made it into the motor ventilation slots and
were being held there by the magnets preventing the motor from turning, I
removed the washers and put the drill back together which would have saved
them a couple of hundred dollars if they had not already bought another one.

I must remain humble for them to appreciate what I do for if I try to tell them
directly how to save money and save resources they get upset and think I am
trying to point out how silly they are. When in reality I am trying to help them
the only way I can.

Cheers

MonsieurM
03-24-2012, 01:41 AM
It really does not matters how We all pulse the Coil...How we add a Solid State or a Relay mechanical method to obtain pulses...
It really do not matter any set-up differences on how to get our field to collapse in order to generate Radiant Field coming Up, or the Square Wave Signaling Equipment.

All this are just "peripheral" and necessary equipment to make it happen, the same as the "Power Source"...but it should not be defined as radical or the "Only One Way Out"...just because there are many ways to achieve this end.



Regards to all

Ufopolitics

If i may, and please correct me if i am wrong :o , but i believe that Ufopolitics is trying to get to the true cause of how to harness R.E.F ....the rest should be replicable in any other shape / design as long as certain rules are respected :D

in other words .... find the simple recipe that works under all type of designs

imho...he is quite correct about Team work.... but also you have to do some concession as well ... and maybe others have their input to help finetune your theory :thumbsup:

Ufopolitics
03-24-2012, 02:11 AM
Hear that folks if anything anyone says goes against what Ufopolitics says then
in his opinion it is disinformation. No post are welcome unless they are in
agreement. The objective appears to be to create an environment where
nothing is questioned no matter how unlikely it may be. This suits people who
want to dictate to weak minded people what is what.
[..]
If people want to experiment with your's or any circuit most of us will say go
ahead, but you are mistaken if you think you have something special. You
have an inductive collapse collector circuit in my opinion. Others agree and so
we said this and gave information to support it. Because what we said didn't
agree with what you said you say we are all clowns, fair enough, your entitled
to your opinion. but so are we. If people want to believe you they can. It's a
free world.



.."You have an inductive collapse collector circuit in my opinion..."

That is YOUR own Opinion Farmhand, However, I have made several test along with the videos to prove it is NOT just a "Collapse Collector"...nor the "Collapsing Field Old theory"...

Or do you really think a "Collapsing Field" will make rotate a permanent magnet faster than a motor?!
Or a Collapsing Field will Induce Negatively a Coil to the point to illuminate a Liquid Crystal Diode set "forward bias" to opposite induction from the "Collapsing Field"??


Take a moment to think...and ask to yourself.
Does the magnetic poles of any given Inductor, at the Collapsing time, when the Voltage reverses...¿Does this Inductor Magnetic Poles swap also?

It is only a "Logical" question right?...Since We, all the "knowledgeable in the Art" know, that whenever reversing the VOLTAGE polarity to any given Coil of magnetic wire....it will, DEFINITIVELY, reverse or "swap" IMMEDIATELY, Iso Facto, its magnetic field poles...NORTH & SOUTH ...RIGHT?

This is the main principle to achieve rotation of a ANY Brushed DC Motor.

However, go ahead and look in ANY Books, on line, Google it...Wikipedia...wherever...You will not find an answer to that question....simply looks like...Physics do not want to "touch that issue"...

Judge it calmly, before emitting any answers...


Now if anyone wants to be Not Scientific, Not understandable and not reasonable but stubborn about His schooling...that is completely Their priorities, like You said, there is freedom of speech, and a freedom of thinking, they are Human's Rights...

But I will not accept anyone trying to tell me my conclusions are wrong, my knowledge "suspicious" or much less that I am a fake...no way jose!!

That happened here with NT411.
And His claims were very similar to mine, I wrote it here also.
He uses a rectifier to free out Radiant electricity out of the opposite Hot electric pole.

Ufopolitics

Joit
03-24-2012, 02:33 AM
Ufopolitics, the Note ' A private Forum' means the opposite from a Public Forum, and where you should not talk like you are in the Street.

Anyone should try to stay calm, and usually you should treat others as you want be treaten yourself, even when Farmhands Comment goes again in this Direction where NT is allready been. But there are mostly more then one Way to say the same Thing.
I fully agree with the Decision from the Admin to delete his Posts, because this Guy just smells like another Troublemaker, and when its not here, then it is at the next chance. And either show something or go. Not ' I may get a Camera, or may another, and then i can show you my fancy Device and similar.

And seriously as i did read today the Replies from him, especally to citfta, i thought, should i now press the Report button or start to bother with this Guy, because calling someone Names for not really any Reason is absolutly not accecptable, and thats why i am really OK with that, that this is a Private Forum, or how would you like it, when someone call you Names, because he dont agree with your View. I think, that is very understandable.

Ufopolitics
03-24-2012, 02:34 AM
If i may, and please correct me if i am wrong :o , but i believe that Ufopolitics is trying to get to the true cause of how to harness R.E.F ....the rest should be replicable in any other shape / design as long as certain rules are respected :D

in other words .... find the simple recipe that works under all type of designs

imho...he is quite correct about Team work.... but also you have to do some concession as well ... and maybe others have their input to help finetune your theory :thumbsup:

Hello MonsieurM,

But of course!!... that concessions are given!!...I am there helping others to understand, to replicate, to verify on their own...that is the point.
Now concessions that ARE POSITIVE, with the desire to help to improve, adding ideas, adding innovations, suggestions ...WILL BE ALWAYS WELCOMED.

NOT TO THOSE trying to minimize my set-up, judge it according to a very NARROW MINDED POINT OF VIEW, CRITICS WITH OFFENSIVE SARCASM or IRONIES... trying to diminish it...Sorry BUT NO CONCESSIONS AT ALL, TO THOSE APPROACHES.


Regards

Ufopolitics

Aaron
03-24-2012, 05:41 AM
This is a PRIVATE Forum..."As private as any outsider, without logging in, nor "identifying him her self"... could review, and copy any Forum, Thread or posts, as well as Diagrams, Pictures or any Info displayed here...

Are those attributes supposed to belong to a Private Forum?

The public can drive their car to a golf club, park by the side of the road and watch the golf game going on. Do you think they're going to be able to join the game? No. They can write about it, they can take pictures, they can imagine themselves playing but are they? No. They have to first become a member of the golf club and abide by their rules and then they can participate. If they break the rules, they're gone. There is no mystery to this and it is not a matter of philosophy - it is black and white. So, YES - all those things you list ARE attributes of a private forum. A private forum can be visible to the public or not - participation is by registration in both cases.

411 made threats, taunted the admins and posted a pornographic avatar - end of story.

ewizard
03-24-2012, 07:33 AM
I see niktes411's posts have mostly been deleted so I can't quote the exact words he used but I do know for sure he clearly stated that he is a "hard core misanthropist". Definition of misanthropist: a person who has a "generalized dislike, distrust, disgust, contempt or hatred of the human species or human nature". I hoped we could change that outlook for him here by showing him warm place to sit around and share which might have resulted in him having a better view of humanity. I don't think anyone here did anything to intentionally cause him any grief initially but I will bet because of past bad experiences he reacted at a level of 9 or 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 to a situation that would only be a 1 or 2 for most people and after that things just went South. I am not surprised at how any of this turned out as he clearly warned us of his nature. You don't become a misanthropist by having a happy, loving and fun filled life. While I feel sympathy for his situation he is obviously aware of his own mindset but has chosen to stay with it. And it is a choice. Not an easy choice for someone with a past that makes for hair trigger emotional responses but still a choice. And if anyone cares for one way to have more choices: EFT - emotional freedom technique. Simple to learn, easy and effective.

Okay now back to our regularly scheduled radiant energy session ;)

citfta
03-24-2012, 12:10 PM
@ ufo,

I am sorry you are upset with me over the posts with NT411. As far as the part you reposted from his post I have no problem with that. I have no problem at all with your ideas and have copied your schematics to build when I have a little more time. I only had a problem with him claiming he had some kind of magic CB that would not be harmed by an EMP. He also claimed he was going to build a street legal car with only a treadmill motor for power. An idea which is extremely unlikely. He couldn't even give us a link to the relay circuit he was describing or a picture of it. I did not know he came here looking for a fight or I would not have engaged him at all. I was curious why he thought his CB wouldn't be harmed by an EMP so I asked. I thought maybe he had found a way to protect it. Instead of answering me he accused me of being narrow minded and started calling me names. That was when I realized he was a fake. I know you haven't been on this forum long. I also know you were questioned about your claims. That is just the way it works here. If you make claims someone is going to ask you to prove it. Each month or so someone comes along and claims they have "it". Most of the time they have only discovered something the rest of us have already seen and some like yourself have shown us a small change to a circuit that can make a difference. Others like Turion have shown us something that seems to be really different and worth a lot of effort to check out. And there are still others that come here and try their best to get people to follow their false teaching. I don't know if they are from the powers that be or why they seem intent on leading people astray except of course that would keep us from finding the truth. When I see something that looks highly suspect I am going to ask questions.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Ufopolitics
03-26-2012, 11:48 AM
@ ufo,

I am sorry you are upset with me over the posts with NT411. As far as the part you reposted from his post I have no problem with that. I have no problem at all with your ideas and have copied your schematics to build when I have a little more time. I only had a problem with him claiming he had some kind of magic CB that would not be harmed by an EMP. He also claimed he was going to build a street legal car with only a treadmill motor for power. An idea which is extremely unlikely. He couldn't even give us a link to the relay circuit he was describing or a picture of it. I did not know he came here looking for a fight or I would not have engaged him at all. I was curious why he thought his CB wouldn't be harmed by an EMP so I asked. I thought maybe he had found a way to protect it. Instead of answering me he accused me of being narrow minded and started calling me names. That was when I realized he was a fake. I know you haven't been on this forum long. I also know you were questioned about your claims. That is just the way it works here. If you make claims someone is going to ask you to prove it. Each month or so someone comes along and claims they have "it". Most of the time they have only discovered something the rest of us have already seen and some like yourself have shown us a small change to a circuit that can make a difference. Others like Turion have shown us something that seems to be really different and worth a lot of effort to check out. And there are still others that come here and try their best to get people to follow their false teaching. I don't know if they are from the powers that be or why they seem intent on leading people astray except of course that would keep us from finding the truth. When I see something that looks highly suspect I am going to ask questions.

Respectfully,
Carroll



Citfta,

I really do not see the point in trying to "uncover" , or the "detective job" to find out if someone is a fake or not...There are not "specific formulas' to be infallible trying to do this job, always a mistake could be made. And this case with NT411 is ONE of them.

Nikolatesla411 was NOT A FAKE.

There are too many things He wrote here that are " the Bible" , facts, about Radiant Energy. I rewrote some here on His own words,and I added Mines also..just in case "someone" did not want them here...wanted to make sure they were re-written in this Post related to Radiant Energy.

The fact that someone does not have , not only a digital camera , but the means to publish them here, to make it happen, is real, it could happen to ANYONE of Us here. That DOES NOT at ALL, proves absolutely nothing.
There are many people, many smart and scientific open minded people all over this planet that ALSO does not have the means, the expensive programs and equipment, to make a video the way it should be done, not a crappy one, with nicely inserted and edited frames and letters...or 3D Software and CAD to show "better" to a bunch of ignorant s, to a bunch of skeptics, to a bunch of critics and non believers...

NT411, to my thinking, is someone who has been beaten by life pretty hard, together with the fact, He has realized the crippling and the lies and B.S. behind Sciences on this planet for too long, He is a Rebel by now, and He was tempted to bring out his anger here and show it on this forum. That's all.
He did not came here looking for a fight, In his first posts and answers to Us here He was excellent, and polite, respectful and even wearing a good humor.

I may have not been on this Forum for too long...But I have been on the streets of life for too long by now, I am not a kid anymore...The difference from NT411and Me...Is that I made my way out to a better and happier ending. I have the means and the time, to show skeptics, and critics...and all the "Distrusting Audience"...It gives me so much pleasure to do so, you have no idea...

Let me ask You this...

What is so great about making a claim here and proving The Person is RIGHT??!!
What will happen?...I mean, Will we get a Million Dollars? like AERO Corporation offers to prospects?
Will we get nominated for a Nobel Prize here?
Will We all be on the Channels News and become a famous Character from Free Energy to be Targeted?
What exactly will be here so great , that there is so much interests that "proving it" becomes "The Essence of a Trust" that radical and with so much enforcement as a Patent Office Examiner going over your Application?
What are the REWARDS here my friend?

I am making my Disclosures because I want to do so. period.
I am not looking for the approval or the "Proof of Facts" of exactly NO ONE."
I really could not care less if You are not capable of making my replications properly and not obtaining the results I had achieved.
I am NOT looking for the Glory, and neither any "Investors Money"
I am not interested in writing-selling any DVD's, E- or Real Books...
I do NOT want to be famous.
I just want the WORLD to know the truth, about the crippling, the seizing and the Confusion We ALL have been doped by, the "Bought Out Sciences" on this Planet.
And again, You have no idea how much I am enjoying making it happen.

This site -as I understand- is mainly dedicated to the search, and further development to achieve renewable energies...alternatives to the stinking Oil and lethal Nuclear , obsolete and ancient means by now for a planet to move on. So We have to adopt a more "Open Mind" about newcomers, not just demanding and requesting "proof of facts"...and if "it" does not happen...then He-She is a Fake, a Hoaxer...

We are dealing here with a type of Energy, which manifestations are completely opposite to what we all have learned in our crippled schools all over the planet.
Many bright people along our history could not have been able to explain the phenomena, or why does it happen...and that does not mean the were "Fakes", they prove their models worked, like DR Thomas Henry Moray, Edwin Gray and many more...

So far, no one have been able to "decipher the riddles" of Radiant Energy in its origins to a complete "Bible" to go for, no one. Or else, We all, will have it all over by now.

What I am trying to resume here...Is that We do not have it all, all "The Data" to be able to "process it and judge it" accordingly, much less to judge no one to say His work is fake, or not real, based on a couple of pictures and some diagrams.

Respectfully

Ufopolitics

Aaron
02-19-2015, 12:28 AM
Here is Nikola Tesla's paper On Light and other High Frequency Phenomena
(http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fteslachargers.com%2F2015%2F 02%2F18%2Fon-light-and-other-high-frequency-phenomena-by-nikola-tesla%2F)
At the bottom of that paper is a link to download the PDF.

BroMikey
03-12-2015, 08:15 AM
Radiant Energy device solid state upgrade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxGhKOGo9pQ

http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/tesla-free-energy-n0996.5.gif

genessc
03-12-2015, 03:40 PM
The thing on the left is a d'arsonval configuration against a whimshurst source... not the placement of the spark gap relative to the primary... and how the primary can't be polarized because of its placement in the schematic...

The thing on the right is adapting the thing on the left to work with the source dipole of an antenna and earth ground... ;)

Keep in mind that at those potentials, to get a decent voltage you want to go small on the capacities... pF or nF at biggest... bigger than that and you likely won't accumulate much voltage as the ambient current density/leader length is rather tiny...

Cheers.
Gene

Radiant Energy device solid state upgrade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxGhKOGo9pQ

http://truedemocracyparty.net/wp-content/uploads/tesla-free-energy-n0996.5.gif

BroMikey
08-23-2015, 08:16 AM
A "Self Looped Radiant Converter"



Free Energy Aug 2015 Radiant Converter

by Nelson Rocha Part 1/3


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAFMP2GFJvY


dkdyker 2 weeks ago
Great, you are showing the grounding effect in conjunction with radiant energy generator looped system.
Any way we can see a schematic ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP0a6164S4Q



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaR2WzgU2Mk