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darkwizard
10-31-2008, 03:34 PM
Have tried this?

Build an bedini sg , put it in resonant mode (coil sound), and cut off the energy at the moment that aren`t magnets inside the coil.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1420&stc=1&d=1225467238

darkwizard
10-31-2008, 03:50 PM
Original bedini idea:

If we add potential alone, without the mass flow, to a system of oscillating charged particles, we add "physical energy" in the entire charged particle system.

That is, a magnet passing inside a coil, when the coil is self oscillating in resonant mode, but the radiant energy production diminishes when the magnet is far away, but one can make a switch in order to diminish the energy consumption.

dambit
10-31-2008, 04:19 PM
Hi Wizzard,

I can get my latest coil to self resonate and efficiently charge a battery just by putting a 12V car indicator LED bulb in place of the pot. And the battery I am charging isn't small. It's 130 Ah. It's getting better as the battery is still being conditioned.:)

The base resistors on the circuits are 100 ohms and the coil has five power windings and one trigger. The radient output visible on the scope isn't quite as much as in normal mode, but it is still enough to do the job. Also an interestiong observation I have made, is that when running in normal mode this coil can not charge a battery of this size. When it is in oscillation it can and does. :confused: Also I don't need the magnets at all, just flicking the on switch gets it going.

Cheers,

Steve.

ren
10-31-2008, 08:02 PM
Have tried this?

Build an bedini sg , put it in resonant mode (coil sound), and cut off the energy at the moment that aren`t magnets inside the coil.

http://www.energeticforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1420&stc=1&d=1225467238

Interesting idea Darkwizard. It reminds me somewhat of the bipolar circuit which isolates the power windings when off, except that you are using a mosfet timed with the reed switch.

By "1H" on your schematic you mean your coils inductance is 1 henry? Thats a rather large coil there if so....:suprise:

You may or may not have considered this, but the mosfets usually have a reverse voltage diode integral to protect them. Perhaps yours doesnt if its a Jfet or something, but it will most likely have one. This, IMO, could be a little bit of a pain, as it would direct transients away from the recovery coil in the conventional manner regardless of whether the Fet is closed or open (that diode is always there, being connected to Drain and Source. You could negate the internal diode with another facing the opposite way quite easily, off the source leg, a nice fast one, perhaps UF 4007. Be interesting to see if it makes a difference.

And your recovery coil being separate but sharing a common core is another interesting change. You have a little LC circuit there without the charging battery attached...;)

darkwizard
11-01-2008, 03:38 PM
In my setup i used a PNP instead of a mosfet, like B-Cole original idea, but the main difference is the time of the power pulse, i want to power the system only when the magnet is inside the coil , and at this moment the coil resonates with the "magnet inside the coil".:thumbsup:

ren
11-02-2008, 12:18 AM
In my setup i used a PNP instead of a mosfet, like B-Cole original idea, but the main difference is the time of the power pulse, i want to power the system only when the magnet is inside the coil , and at this moment the coil resonates with the "magnet inside the coil".:thumbsup:

Ok. Do you mean when the magnet is ALIGNED with the coil? Or are you actually implying that you place a magnet "INSIDE the coil?"

From my understanding the Bipolar JB/RC circuit does exactly this, isolating the power winding from the source until its time of triggering. Thus the system is only powered when it is triggered, and the battery is disconnected from the power winding all other times.

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 01:21 AM
REN :thumbsup:

When the coil is resonanting , is self-oscillating, the coil is self-triggering, everytime, but my idea is: Turn on the power switch only when the magnet is Aligned with the coil, inside the coil, and the self triggering only appears whenthe magnet is aligned with the coil. When the magnet "disappears" , and isn`t aligned with the coil, let turn off the power switch, until the magnet come again.

In the BEDINI SG WHEEL the virtual south appears when no magnet is aligned with the coil, at this time when the coil is self-triggering , the switch must turn off the power.

In other words, turn off the power when the magnet is not inside the coil.

dambit
11-02-2008, 01:35 AM
What would be the point, surely it would be better to have the coil self-oscillating the whole time. Then you can do away with the magnets all together.

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 01:44 AM
Note: The magnets on the wheel, are especial, they do some functions on the coil. In order to do negentropy, less power consumption, more power generation.

Losses on a system, review this topic. Ohm losses, Energy generation.

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 01:47 AM
The magnets do the real trick, because when you have a resonating system with a coil you loose the energy in many forms, you increase the voltage, but you loose energy.

The magnets prepares the electrons in the coil , supplying virtual photons, to the electrons in order to diminish the looses on the system, and overpotentialize the electrons.

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 01:49 AM
Thats all, the voltage elevators , can do nothing nothing, but increase the FEM in the system but the energy is lost in the same form, nothing but a magnet is the answer, the magnet pulse and the radiant pulse do the real trick.

dambit
11-02-2008, 01:50 AM
With my coils (in self-oscillation), I have noticed that the magnets only make them louder, more intence I guess. I have not observed any performance increase though. I understand about using less power by switching.

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 01:56 AM
Usethe magnets on the wheel , the coil in self-triggering mode, the switch off, thats all, remember, a magnet is a pure potential massless flow when this hits hardly the coil in self triggering resonant mode, the real energy will show up.

dambit
11-02-2008, 01:59 AM
So you mean, just place the magnets in front of each coil, not rotating. Mind you, when my coils are oscillating the wheel wont turn anyway. :)

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 02:04 AM
Bedini has showed up the Big Wheel Sg, all the coils are in resonating mode, and the wheel turns. Hit the resonating coil with a magnet, thats all.

ren
11-02-2008, 03:30 AM
What would be the point, surely it would be better to have the coil self-oscillating the whole time. Then you can do away with the magnets all together.

It depends Dambit. What is your primary purpose? Charging a battery with no need for mechanical of any sort? Then yes, self oscillating coil would be better. Your comments above state that the solidstate charger seems stronger, or more efficient. Not an incorrect assumption, but not necessarily correct. Lol I know that sounds funny, but think of this. How many inductive spikes a second does your wheel create, versus how many the solidstate creates? We are talking about frequency here, and as you know, JB has said you want to do this as fast as you can as many times as you can.



The magnets do add a certain element to this, has anyone measured the inductance of their coil with and without a magnet present? I have to disagree with the magnet being the "answer" however. I think the real answer is "resonance." That is where the losses in the system are minimised and the gains come from.

dambit
11-02-2008, 07:27 AM
It depends Dambit. What is your primary purpose? Charging a battery with no need for mechanical of any sort? Then yes, self oscillating coil would be better. Your comments above state that the solidstate charger seems stronger, or more efficient. Not an incorrect assumption, but not necessarily correct. Lol I know that sounds funny, but think of this. How many inductive spikes a second does your wheel create, versus how many the solidstate creates? We are talking about frequency here, and as you know, JB has said you want to do this as fast as you can as many times as you can.


Hi Ren,

I have attached a few pics of my wave forms and setup. When The coil is operating normaly, ie with the magnets etc, it draws just over 800 mA @ 24V and outputs 400 mA into a 12V battery (I know the output is not what we are looking for, but I still measure it anyway). The output drops down to 200mA when the output battery is 24V.

Now, when the unit is in self-oscillation, yes the frequency is faster but not heaps faster. Also, the unit draws and puts out exactly double its usual amounts.

The settings on the scope are 1ms time intervals and 5V intervals


As a side question. JB's two leveled enegizer shown in the DVD, he mentions that it has oscillators, do you know anything about that?

Cheers,

Steve.

P.S to get these pics I have to move the coil and circuits to where my scope is, and therefor had to use a wheel with neos on it. The result isn't too different from when I use my other magnets.

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 03:35 PM
The primary point: all the heaviside flow, that is magnetic flux that the coil sends to the proximities at the moment that it is ON, becomes a big north pole magnet when you shut off the coil, in other words you create a north pole when you shut off the coil, this north pole becomes radiant energy inside the coil because move electrons with high potential energy, if you hit the radiant spike with a true north pole magnet, you overpotentialize the electrons.

The north pole magnet creates an electric field in the copper wire, the big "heaviside-radiant" north pole magnet that you created when you turn ON the coil, becomes an electric field in the copper wire when you shut OFF the coil, the two things becomes one thing and you have real energy electrons in order to charge a battery.

Electric field generated by the heaviside flow + electric field generated by the magnet = Total electric field inside the coil.

Imagine a car that is pulled by his own motor and a horse in the front side.

The car is the electron, the motor (100 hp) is the radiant energy, the horse (1hp) is the magnet.

The system losses are 0.5 hp by the fact of friction, but you put in 1hp from the horse, that is a gain of 0.5 hp and is real overunity.

In the car ,the total work resulting is 99.5 hp , but by the fact that the car is being pulled by a horse, you have 100.5 hp.

:)

Joit
11-02-2008, 04:25 PM
Go and try and Build and post Report, not bark like a Dog, you Master of Magnetism.

darkwizard
11-02-2008, 06:31 PM
I can`t hear you. Build a big SG, not a voltage elevator.

Shamus
11-03-2008, 01:47 AM
Hi Dambit,

I think I can answer your side question, as for the longest time I was wondering that myself after building a replica of that jobby. And the answer is: it all depends on what you put on the back end. The circuits are all bog standard SG circuits with all the power and radiant output summed together. If you have a fairly high impedance on the back end, you'll get some self-oscillation going when you hook up the front end battery. For the longest time I could never get that initial squeal that John got on the DVD no matter what battery I put on the back end but I finally got it to happen when I hooked up some electrodes sitting in a glass of water. :) I guess I never had a really sulfated battery to work with on the back end to have it go into self-oscillation. ;)

dambit
11-03-2008, 05:41 AM
Hi Dambit,

I think I can answer your side question, as for the longest time I was wondering that myself after building a replica of that jobby. And the answer is: it all depends on what you put on the back end. The circuits are all bog standard SG circuits with all the power and radiant output summed together. If you have a fairly high impedance on the back end, you'll get some self-oscillation going when you hook up the front end battery. For the longest time I could never get that initial squeal that John got on the DVD no matter what battery I put on the back end but I finally got it to happen when I hooked up some electrodes sitting in a glass of water. :) I guess I never had a really sulfated battery to work with on the back end to have it go into self-oscillation. ;)

Hi Shamus,

Thanks for you answer. I too have not put a heavily sulphated battery on the back end yet, only partially sulphated ones. These quickly shoot up to well over there nominal voltage, ie. 18-20V for one of my 12V bateries, then they gradually come down to normal voltages. I have yet to hear the squeal with these though. Did you use distilled water or normal tap water? I tried with tap water, but all my neons lit up. :) & no squeal.

Cheers,

Steve

Shamus
11-03-2008, 10:43 PM
Well, I have a few machines to test this on and the only one I was able to get that phenomenon to work was on the 4PMP (4-pole monopole) replication. I used filtered tap water. I tried it on the quintfilar but got lots of neon glow there--I was too chicken to let it spin up to full speed. :) Likewise, it was no go on the solid state, but that could be because it's a cap dump circuit instead of (nearly) continuous radiant energy like on the SSG based circuits.

I'm not sure what the answer is, just thought I'd share my observations with that particular machine. :)