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Sephiroth
10-15-2008, 08:03 PM
Hi Everyone,

I have been experimenting for several weeks on what I term as Two Stage Inductance... I have mentioned it in a few other threads but decided to write up what I have learnt so far.

Enjoy.

Sephiroth
10-15-2008, 08:15 PM
Is the pdf working for anyone? I can't open it for some reason... might just be my computer... :confused:

Aaron
10-15-2008, 08:17 PM
Works perfect Seph!

Thanks for making that available for everyone!

Sephiroth
10-15-2008, 08:25 PM
Second attempt


Edit : ah, ok! Thanks Aaron!

EgmQC
10-15-2008, 08:56 PM
Second attempt


Edit : ah, ok! Thanks Aaron!

Great work Sep!!

There a small typo at page 2, W = IV should be W = VI

Best Regards,
Eric

Sephiroth
10-15-2008, 09:05 PM
Thanks Eric... correction has been made!

EgmQC
10-15-2008, 09:25 PM
Great work Sep!!

There a small typo at page 2, W = IV should be W = VI

Best Regards,
Eric

My brain was at off when ive wrote that. i*v or v*i its the same, realy sorry.
Anyway , great work again Sep!!!!!

Eric

Sephiroth
10-15-2008, 09:32 PM
lol... yeah, same thing really, but I think you are right that traditionally it is presented as W = VI :thumbsup:

ashtweth
10-16-2008, 02:31 AM
Thanks Seph ill forward to John and Rick to show them the energetic forums engineers are geniuses hot on the trail :rolleyes: :cool: :D
Thx man!!

Shamus
10-16-2008, 03:23 AM
Nice paper Seph. :) It's interesting that you got more work from this approach than from a standard SG circuit--I wonder what would happen if you had more mass on your rotor. Would it turn at the same RPM? If so, then that would be something as more mass = more momentum. :thinking:

I'll have to check my notes, but I think that my quintfilar machine had higher RPM with a more massive rotor. :thinking:

Mark
10-17-2008, 06:50 PM
Sweet Man!

I would like to run some experiments with your configuration. Can you post a diagram of the other 2 configurations with recovery coils?

P.S. Would like to hear from John or Peter and their thoughts on this set up, how about it guys?

Thanks to All involved!!

Sephiroth
10-17-2008, 08:05 PM
Glad everyone likes it :)

I don't know if it is an improvement over a 1 to 1 design, but it has interesting effects that I am still studying :D

I would like to add a third coil identical to the other two as every time I add a seperate coil amp draw goes down which is the opposite to what normally happens. I have tried up to three bifilar coils but haven't tried three quadfilar coils yet. I would like to see how far it can be taken.

The schematic is pretty simple... just like a step up transformer. (sorry the diagram is so crude but you get the idea)

View image: 2stageind.jpg (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx1glkAA)

It produces the same waveforms as the schematic I posted in the pdf but is more electrically efficient.

I should add that these are Litzed Coils about 500-600 turns. And don't bother trying to get it to work with a bridge rectifier :D It either won't run or will run poorly because of the counter magnetic field and will consume a ridiculous amount of amps!

nul-points
10-27-2008, 01:44 AM
hi Seph

how are ya?

interesting developments with my switched-charge, cap-to-cap test results, since you were last in touch:

waveform measurements from a series resistive load confirm that the amount of energy converted by the load whilst charging the output cap is equal to the amount of energy which gets stored in the output cap

also confirmed that it's possible to recover that final stored energy from the cap and use it in the load

this has confirmed my original calulations which showed that it is possible for such a circuit to convert more energy output than was used from the input cap

latest test results show efficiencies over 140% for output energy into the resistive load compared to energy taken from the input cap

i've also found the likely source of the overunity behaviour - flyback energy from inductor measures > 100% of input

latest results now posted on my website:
Doc Ringwood's 'Free Energy' page (http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc)

select 'Latest'>>'Flyback Energy gain (5th Oct '08)'

you're closer to energy overunity on your Bedini SS than you may think

cheers
sandy

Sephiroth
11-11-2008, 07:00 PM
Quick update...

Added the third coil last night. Unfortunatly it was significantly smaller than my other two coils and their individual inductance ended up fighting with each other too much so I reduced the size of the other two coils to the same length of wire as the new one. It has improved it alot, but I need to get an LC meter to precisely match the inductance.

RPM is now over 5000 and amp draw is currently 270ma. The pulse width is now so narrow that it is a nightmare to tune! I have swapped the 1k pot with a 500ohm pot, but I think I will get a 25 ohm pot to tune it better. The balance needs to be perfect. If it isn't set just right then it accelerates and then stalls as the flyback exceeds TDC of the scalar south and starts repelling the incoming magnet, then accelerates agian, then stalls again, etc.

I am sure the RPM could be alot higher, but the recovery winding is now acting as a generator coil as well. It is capturing some of the induced voltage from the rotor magnets, so some of the kinetic is going back to electrical but this puts drag on the rotor as well.

Anyway, still lots of work to be done but I'll keep you posted :D

hi Seph

how are ya?

interesting developments with my switched-charge, cap-to-cap test results, since you were last in touch:

waveform measurements from a series resistive load confirm that the amount of energy converted by the load whilst charging the output cap is equal to the amount of energy which gets stored in the output cap

also confirmed that it's possible to recover that final stored energy from the cap and use it in the load

this has confirmed my original calulations which showed that it is possible for such a circuit to convert more energy output than was used from the input cap

latest test results show efficiencies over 140% for output energy into the resistive load compared to energy taken from the input cap

i've also found the likely source of the overunity behaviour - flyback energy from inductor measures > 100% of input

latest results now posted on my website:
Doc Ringwood's 'Free Energy' page

select 'Latest'>>'Flyback Energy gain (5th Oct '08)'

you're closer to energy overunity on your Bedini SS than you may think

cheers
sandy

Hi Sandy, Thanks for the update on your experimetns and sorry for not replying sooner but perhaps this topic should be under the "conservation of charge violated?" thread? Unfortunatly I don't really have time for any other experiments but there is LOADS I still want to do. Have to be disciplined and stay focused. :thumbsup:

I'll definately be looking more into your circuits!

Sephiroth
11-11-2008, 07:43 PM
whoops... meant 270ma, not 370! lol

nul-points
11-15-2008, 10:01 PM
no worries, Seph - i thought you were interested in applying the OU techniques i'd learned to your circuits

all the best
sandy

150% efficiencies in coil-capacitor circuits at Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site - Doc Ringwood's 'Free Energy' page (http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc)

baroutologos
05-12-2009, 10:00 AM
i was considering the two stage induction regarding the setup of my new high speed SSG.

So, this weekend i rolled my sleeves up and got hands dirty :)

My findings: I have some more or less same experience Seph, but i do am not at all conviced that this difference is attributed to the flyback current.

I have reasons to believe that the improvement you noticed is solely attributed or mainly to the different coil / impedance arrangement you created by manipulated the power windings.

So in my recent SSG bike wheel satup, i gathered all ever coils i made and found out the followings:

1) Different coils will behave differently. That means even though we have the same power consumptions i.e. 400 ma.
...........
my bifillar 22 & 24 awg @ 850 turns coil managed to max at 180 rmp no matter what the power input. IN FACT when i was over-powering it the rpm going DOWN. Same true for all my coils. This coil achieved maximum rpm at 120 ma
...........
my 5 strands x 22, 24 (trigger) awg @ 300' (450 turns avg) achieves max 300 rpm at 300 ma. More current leads to slower rpm as less current.
...........
my 3 strands x 18 awg @ 110' (250 turns avg) achieves some 500 rmp!!! Yes the rotor was on the brink of collapse (23'' diam) at 600ma. Whereas at 300ma will have as much as 400 rmp.

In any case for a given power draw had greater rpm.
So, perhaps this is the case?

Anyway, until torque tests are made we cannot know. RPM isjust not enough in considering SSG mechanical output.

Regards,
Baroutologos

ren
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
Hi Sep,

Havent been on the forum much, but I saw that this post had been bumped up again. It reminded me of some recent stuff I have seen from JB. Its kinda like your two stage inductance, except the added inductance is in the output.

There is a diagram here

RADIANT ELECTRICITY (http://www.icehouse.net/john34/Radiant1.htm)

Ive used a small coil after my output diodes on a cap pulser and found my cap charged up significantly faster. Worth experimenting with.

Regards

baroutologos
05-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Hi ren,

I saw the new monopole schematic. It seems... at least extraordinary!

Nevertheless, some similar setups and findings regarding capacitor charging i have experienced myself. I think its pretty straight forward. Pls correct me if i am mistaken :)

The caps when charged directly from an voltage source of more or less constant potential are losing some 1/2 of energy in heat to the circuit resistor. By adding an inductor the books say this dramatically increases capacitor efficiency charging.

So perhaps the boosted charging efficiency could ne attributed to this?

Regards,
baroutologos