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belle99
09-05-2008, 07:38 PM
Hello everybody,

Grace and Pamela and I had the wonderful idea to start a new thread for discussion and application of the ideas presented in A Course in Miracles and the works of David Hawkins (Power vs. Force, I, Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, etc.)

I'll start the discussion with a quote from Transcending the Levels of Consciousness:

"Adopt the attitudes associated with the Higher Mind...and select any of the virtues. Refuse or reject negative attitudes or positionalities. Act in a gracious manner in all circumstances towards oneself and others. Reject the violation of spiritual principles for short-term gain. Create an idealized image of oneself and practice it as if for a movie role.

Acting 'as if' brings to awareness the potentiality to actually become that which is admired. As a learning device, it is often surprisingly effective to 'pretend' to be the quality that is desired, and then, much to one's surprise, discover that it has been a nonactivated and latent aspect of one's own potentiality. Many people make self-improvement the number one priority in their lives and identify with admired figures instead of envying them.

As a practical exercise, before leaving the house, review how one would like oneself to be and decide to act that way. In so doing, note the response to others to one's being friendly, considerate, gracious, or loving..."

I have found Hawkins' work to be a great way to give my intellect something useful to do instead of run me in unproductive circles. The high-frequency energies in his teachings can raise one's vibration just by reading the material.

Let the wonderful discussion begin!!

Pamela
09-05-2008, 09:21 PM
Oh, Belle...

I am going to LOVE this! And...the quote you have just posted by Hawkins is a wonderful intro for this thread! :thumbsup: As you know, I finished "Power Vs. Force" a few weeks ago and then got "The Disappearance of the Universe" by Gary Renard which is a wonderful discourse of his journey with "A Course In Miracles"... While reading THAT, I was compelled to rush out and get ACIM and have been absolutely mesmerized by it! :thumbsup: And NOW, my fingers are simply itching to respond to this quote by Hawkins, but I have some everyday stuff to attend to first, so I can guarantee you that I will be getting back to this once I have some "time" ;) to respond with clarity and substance! :sun:

:thanks: for starting this, My Friend! :angel: :wonderwoman: :hug:

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

elias
09-07-2008, 01:20 AM
Hi,

Thought to share the link for the PDF of the book Power vs Force on the net. This book is definitely a very interesting read:
http://www.alemagroup.com/download/DHawkins-PvF-Full.pdf

Elias

Pamela
09-07-2008, 02:06 AM
:thanks: Elias!

That is FABULOUS of you to post this link! Have I ever told you what a Big Beautiful Blessing You Are, Elias??? :sun: :angel: Now, as this thread unfolds, anyone who looks to it can also have a lookie to the text and know what we are talking about!!!:yahoo: Thank You SO Much!

I also want to post this link to The Map of Consciousness for a quick reference for anyone who might want to do some muscle testing and see what their level is at any given moment! :thumbsup:

david hawkins power vs force (levels of consciuosness) (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2407906/david-hawkins-power-vs-force-levels-of-consciuosness)

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

elias
09-07-2008, 06:48 AM
Pamela,

I am so grateful for your wonderful response, and also thanks for the link you posted, I was actually looking for it. :)
It is not so easy to buy the books from where I live so any other link for these material is greatly appreciated. All of you are great blessings in my life.

Elias

Pamela
09-09-2008, 03:31 PM
Hi Lovies...

Okay, let's start with this quote from Hawkins and assume that it is indeed one's desire to reach the higher levels of consciousness as described by Hawkins in the above "Map of Consciousness" link... It would seem to me that anyone who truely wants to experience the magic of their personal power and "know" joy and peace, the goal is to consciously work towards these higher levels...

"Adopt the attitudes associated with the Higher Mind...and select any of the virtues. Refuse or reject negative attitudes or positionalities. Act in a gracious manner in all circumstances towards oneself and others. Reject the violation of spiritual principles for short-term gain. Create an idealized image of oneself and practice it as if for a movie role.

Acting 'as if' brings to awareness the potentiality to actually become that which is admired. As a learning device, it is often surprisingly effective to 'pretend' to be the quality that is desired, and then, much to one's surprise, discover that it has been a nonactivated and latent aspect of one's own potentiality. Many people make self-improvement the number one priority in their lives and identify with admired figures instead of envying them.

As a practical exercise, before leaving the house, review how one would like oneself to be and decide to act that way. In so doing, note the response to others to one's being friendly, considerate, gracious, or loving..."

Here, it appears that to begin this journey, one must strive to act in a loving manner to all beings, including oneself, even if the emotions that are held at any moment, for whatever reason, may not be congruent to to such feeings of love, kindness, graciousness, forgiveness, etc. By acting "as if" or "pretending to be the quality that is desired", one's subconscious will eventually accept these attitudes as True and it will become a natural way of being, thereby transcending ones consciousness to an even higher level. I believe he is saying that such virtues are inherent qualities in all beings, but because of the illusions of dualism and separation, apparently most people are unaware of the "truth" of their powerful potentiality and thus we find the collective level of consciousness at only 207 :eek: ... But by consistantly and consciously acting "as if", this latent potentiality is activated and the transcending begins. :thumbsup:

Any thoughts on the statement, "Reject the violation of spiritual principles for short-term gain?" :cool:

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

belle99
09-09-2008, 06:45 PM
My take on violating spiritual principles for short-term gain is pettiness or manipulation, or making unnecessary sarcastic comments that you think are going to feel good but end up doing harm.

I'm going to start on ACIM soon!!!:grindaisy:

Bobi
09-11-2008, 04:28 AM
My take on violating spiritual principles for short-term gain is pettiness or manipulation, or making unnecessary sarcastic comments that you think are going to feel good but end up doing harm.


I agree. Selling out personal integrity for what might appear to be short-term gain --but brings with it a greater cost. Plus it feels icky.

b.

Pamela
09-13-2008, 09:29 PM
Thank You, Belle and Bobi...Well said! :thumbsup:

I love these two excerpts from "Power Vs. Force":

This first one emphasizes your above thoughts from "Transcending Human Consciousness"...

(105) Simple kindness to one's self and all
that lives is the most powerful
transformational force of all. It produces
no backlash, has no downside, and never
leads to loss or despair. It increases one's
own true power without exacting any
toll. But to reach maximum power such
kindness can permit no exceptions, nor
can it be practiced with the expectation
of some selfish reward. And its effect is
as far reaching as it is subtle.

And this second one highlights the magnitude of the difference between these two "choices"...

(108) On examination we will see that
power arises from meaning. it has to do
with motive and it has to do with
principle. Power is always associated
with that which supports the significance
of life itself. It appeals to that in human
nature which we call noble, in contrast to
force, which appeals to that which we
call crass. Power appeals to that which
uplifts and dignifies-ennobles. Force
must always be justified, whereas power
requires no justification. Force is
associated with the partial, power with
the whole.
If we analyze the nature of force it
becomes readily apparent why it must
always succumb to power; this is in
accordance with one of the basic laws of
physics. Because force automatically
creates counter-force, its effect is limited
by definition. We could say that force is
a movement. It goes from here to there,
or tries to go from here to there against
opposition. Power, on the other hand, is
still. It is like a standing field that does
not move. Gravity itself., for instance,
does not move against anything. Its
power moves all objects within its field,
but the gravity field itself does not move.
Force always moves against something,
whereas power does not move against
anything. Force is incomplete and
therefore has to constantly be fed energy.
Power is total and complete in itself and
requires nothing from outside itself. It
makes no demands; it has no needs.
Because force has an insatiable appetite,
it constantly consumes. Power, in
contrast, energizes, gives forth, supplies
and supports. Power gives life acid
energy. Force takes these away. We
notice that power is associated with
compassion and makes us feel positively
about ourselves. Force is associated with
judgment and makes us feel badly about
ourselves.
Force always creates counter-force; its
effect is to polarize rather than unify.
Polarization always implies conflict; its
cost, therefore, is always high. Because
force incites polarization, it inevitably
produces a win/lose dichotomy; and
because some (109) body always loses,
enemies are always created. Constantly
faced with enemies, force requires
constant defense. Defensiveness is costly,
invariably, whether in the marketplace,
politics or international affairs.
In looking for the source of power we
have noted that it is associated with
meaning, and this meaning has to do with
the significance of life itself. Force is
concrete, literal and arguable. It requires
proof and support. The sources of power,
however, are inarguable and are not
subject to proof. The self-evident is not
arguable. That health is more important
than disease, that life is more important
than death, that honor is preferable to
dishonor, that faith and trust are
preferable to doubt and cynicism, that the
constructive is preferable to the destructive... all
are self-evident statements not subject
to proof. Ultimately, the only thing we
can say about a source of power is that it
just "is."

Imagine how exquisite this world would be if this truth was intrinsically understood on a global basis...:sun:

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

belle99
09-14-2008, 08:13 PM
Pamela,

Well put. I had a very interesting illustration of this last night. I was sandwiched between two people who believed X very strongly and were forcefully critical of me for believing Y. I did not know how to respond other than to leave the conversation and then come back, to interrupt the train they were on. I felt compelled to defend myself, to respond to force with force. Today I was reminded of lesson 1 in ACIM that none of what I'm observing has any meaning. I knew this, but did not remember it in the moment, when my impulse was to protect and defend myself.

Thanks for posting.

I was also struck this morning about the idea that there is no relative difference between miracles, large and small. I was looking at a row of trees, and pondered that the miracle of photosynthesis is the same for the large tree as it is for the little weed growing up from cracks in a parking lot. By extension, maintaining peace in a situation where I'm talking to people who believe "Y" like me should be no easier than maintaining peace in a situation where the people around me believe "X." Both are meaningless, and that's perfectly OK.

Belle

Doug
09-14-2008, 08:51 PM
Hey Pamela, Belle, Elias and Bobi,

Great info w/Hawkins. I'm getting more familiar w/the numbers and shooting for a 310 myself. Hmm...

Belle, I was going to post about a work deal that's been going on lately and then I read yours. In my training class most of the people on break etc. love to talk about what they hate. :thinking: "Don't ya just hate it when...." "OMG a spider!!! "I hate spiders!" and a lot of sarcasm. There is a bit of comic relief - so I don't wanna say it's all bad. I was more sarcastic before and one guy there is giving me a image of myself from that time. I'm surprised how much I noticed the difference.

I'm a big Minnesota Vikings football fan and they just lost a close one to the Colts and that didn't really bother me!!:suprise: I'll have to read more Hawkins...

Thanks for the thread,
:heartbeat:
Doug

zartgirl
09-14-2008, 11:33 PM
My take on violating spiritual principles for short-term gain is pettiness or manipulation, or making unnecessary sarcastic comments that you think are going to feel good but end up doing harm.

I'm going to start on ACIM soon!!!:grindaisy:

Belle, and everyone else here... I was reading down through and this comment you made hit a nerve... Viotating Spiritual Principles... sarcasm...

The root words of sarcasm are sar = to cut and Casm = very deep Probably not an exact translation, but when you understand what that word means, and then you watch individuals unknowingly use it on the people they love? WOW!

I teach my kids this, and this last summer my daughter was visiting an aunt with her Dad, and her uncle said something sarcastic. Izzi, explained to him what the root words meant, and he was floored and appologised. Later that night her aunt said something sarcastic and the uncle told her what Izzi had told him, and she got mad and yelled at Izzi??? Weird!

I have family that uses it all the time and do not realize that it hurts me when they do! Hmmmm.... something to think about... I can totally see why this would be violating spiritual principles! I think anything we do that is not out of LOVE would be violating spiritual principles!

Blessings Sallyjane:hug:

Pamela
09-16-2008, 08:12 PM
Hi Sweeties!

I am just LOVING these posts! :thumbsup:

I am intuiting that there are several of us who would like to start considering the concepts taught by "A Course In Miracles", so I am going to post the Introduction to this document and then we can take it from there.

"This is a course in miracles. It is a required course. Only the time you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean that you can establish the curriculum. It means only that you can elect what you want to take at a given time. The course does not aim at teaching the meaning of love, for that is beyond what can be taught. It does aim, however, at removing the blocks to the awareness to love's presence, which is your natural inheritance. The opposite of love is fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite.

This course can therefore be summed up very simply in this way:

Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.

Herein lies the peace of God."

It came as no surprise to me that ACIM explains that this world that we "think" is reality is really nothing more than an illusion, a dream, not created by God, but by our collective ego-minds and thus we "perceive" separation and duality. We come to this earth again and again to learn that we are all one, that there is no separation, that our true home is with God and that is the true "reality", yet this illusory world makes us disconnect from God and believe in this false perception of separation. Our purpose is to remember with who we really are and thus "know" joy and peace which is our inherent birthright.

"The world you see is an illusion of a world. God did not create it, for what He creates must be eternal as Himself. Yet there is nothing in the world you see that will endure forever."

And..."Whatever is true is eternal, and cannot change or be changed. Spirit is therefore unalterable because it is already perfect, but the mind can elect what it chooses to serve. The only limit put on its choice is that it cannot serve two masters."

While all Beings will eventually learn the lessons we have been placed here to learn, ACIM trains the student to develop "true" perception and that the miracle can progress one much farther and faster along his or her spiritual path than would have otherwise been possible.

"The miracle is the only device at your immediate disposal for controlling time."

"The miracle substitutes for learning that might have taken thousands of years."

As I continue to study this document (with great delight, I might add...:cool: ), it seems apparent that all thinking that is governed by the ego is nothing more than pure insanity...:eek:

That's enough from me for the moment...:)

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

Pamela
09-16-2008, 09:58 PM
But wait...

Forgive me for being so mouthy today, but I just want to pop back in here with one other thought...Then I PROMISE I will hold my tongue for awhile...;)

Just a little bit about what ACIM says about wisdom... It seems that the world believes that wisdom is having good judgement and being right, but that's not true...Being right just keeps us stuck here forever... Here's a little excerpt that addresses wisdom and its relationship to innocence:

"Innocence is not a partial attribute. It is not real until it is total. The partly innocent are apt to be quite foolish at times. It is not until their innocence becomes a viewpoint with universal application that it becomes wisdom. Innocent or true perception means you never misperceive and always see truly."

And THAT means that we have to see EVERYONE, no matter what, as being totally innocent! :eek: :cool:

Okay...I'll shut up for now...;)

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

elias
09-17-2008, 01:51 AM
Hello,

I recently found a better version of the book, with better formating: http://www.detiva.com/Power-Vs-Force.pdf :)
Hope you like it.

Best Wishes
Elias

belle99
09-19-2008, 06:18 PM
"I am never [angry/upset/worried/etc] for the reason I think."

This is one of the first lessons in ACIM, and I got an excellent illustration of it over the last couple of days.

I learned something about someone close to me that somehow--irrationally--triggered my feelings of inferiority. I assumed that it was because the other person was comparing me to someone else and that I was not measuring up.

Then I realized that it was triggering something altogether different, and showed me the real issue that I needed to work on....and when you're finally working on the real issue, it is amazing how easily you can release things! I realized that the real issue was that the other person had told me about an act of freedom that I had never given myself permission to do. The real issue was not that I wasn't good enough. It was that I was not claiming authority over my own life, and that was what I felt like I was missing out on.

When I look back at all the other times I have created this same misinterpretation, I see that I could have saved myself a lot of trouble!

Grace
09-23-2008, 12:02 AM
Hi Belle99!
THIS THREAD IS AWESOME!! I ADORE YOU FOR STARTING IT!! :iloveyou: What ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS Posts already!! :thanks::thanks::sun:

I will be back to discuss the physical body according to ACIM and Hawkins. I feel that this needs to be addressed soon.:heartbeat:

Pamela
09-23-2008, 05:28 PM
Oh, Grace! I look forward to your next post about the physical body! :thumbsup:

But I do want to pop in and explain a wee bit more on the ACIM concept of innocence that I started in my post before. To do this, I'm going to share a part from "The Disappearance of the Universe" and quote the ascended master, "Pursah", as she explains it much better than I could. This one starts with the author posing the question, "How can a man like Hitler be innocent?"

"PURSAH: That's a typical question and the answer doesn't have anything to do with Hitler. As one who remembers my Jewish lifetimes very well, I'm not exactly a fan of the Nazis, skinheads, the KKK, or any other mentally injured groups. The reason they are innocent has nothing to do with the level of form. Hitler and everyone else in the world, including you, are equally innocent because WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS NOT TRUE. This is YOUR dream. As the Course teaches, the dream is not being dreamed by sombody else.

Hitler was an example of a thought system of fear being carried out to its extreame. You think the Holocaust was an unusual event, but it only was unusual in its size. The same kind of thing occurs all the time, all throughout history... You don't have to be Jewish, Black, an Indian, or some other exotic color to be a victim. It would be hard to find ANY group of people that has not been persecuted.....

All this is a result of a predicament where people have a deep, hidden need to project their unconscious guilt onto sombody else, and ANY excuse will do. We've been talking about extreme examples, but people do this in a thousand subtle ways. They don't know they need to, or why. If they did, then they wouldn't do it. You'll be learning more about this situation, and you'll realize exactly why insane actions such as genocide are a routine part of the story of man's inhumanity toward man. You'll also learn that true forgiveness is the only way to break the pattern...

Incidentally, the thought system of fear and separation from God is given the name 'ego' in the Course, and this term shouldn't be confused with the term 'ego' as it is used in traditional psychology... You should remember that no matter how large it may appear to be, the ego is just a thought, and thoughts can be changed.

Once we've told you everything we want to tell you, then not only will you be able to see what's really happening with true forgiveness, but you'll realize that the thought system of love and the thought system of fear are BOTH forms of denial. One of them, the Holy Spirit's teaching, leads to Heaven by uncovering and reversing the ego's denial of truth. As the Course says about the peace that results from the Holy Spirit's teaching:"

It denies the ability of anything not of God to affect you. This is the proper use of denial.

Of the forgiveness that leads to peace, the Course says:

Forgiveness then, is an illusion, but because of its purpose, it has one difference. Unlike all other illusions, it leads away from error and not towards it.

What strikes me most profoundly is the "need" people have to project their unconscious guilt onto somebody else and Pursah is correct that this is done in thousands of ways, subtle and not so subtle. While this concept of the ego is examined over and over in many ways throughout ACIM, the undoing of the ego is also reinforced by reminding the student of the consistant practice of forgiveness. :thumbsup: :angel: :sun:

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

belle99
09-25-2008, 05:23 PM
Thanks to everyone who is contributing on this thread and posting links with great resources.....

I'm today working on forgiving Wall Street for creating the illusion of economic crisis, our politicians who are dealing with it, and the apparent victims of the policies and decisions over the past several years.

:thinking: :angel:

belle99
09-25-2008, 05:38 PM
The "...and what will that do for me?" exercise:

What is the intention beneath our intentions? What is the real thing we are looking for when we desire a particular outcome?

When we discover the kernel of desire inside any Want, we have the resources right now to actually have it now.

Whenever I feel frustrated that I do not yet have a particular state, thing, or result, I sit down with my journal and ask myself a couple of questions until I finally arrive at the real desire. If I can identify what feeling state I think I will get from having my desired outcome, then I am 99% closer to having it.

What do you want? Ask yourself, "what will that do for me if I have it?" Then when you have an answer, ask yourself again, "and what would THAT do for me?" Keep asking until you start repeating yourself or can inquire no further.

Now you have this distilled to a particular type of feeling. Imagine a time when you had that feeling in the past. Notice how you recognize this feeling. Is it a bright mental picture? Is there a sound associated with the feeling? Is there a sensation in the body? Can you make it more intense? Memorize how you recognize this state.

Now think of yourself having that desired outcome, and notice if there are any differences between that and the remembered state. Mentally enhance your experience of your desired outcome until it is as believable, bright, real, harmonious, whatever as your memorized state. Imagine yourself carrying this wonderful experience with you in the coming hours, days, and weeks.

The ultimate kernel of desire in every Want is to experience our own divinity.

:hug:

Pamela
09-26-2008, 05:03 PM
That was great, Belle!

The concept from this ACIM passage has been going through my mind in the last few days and it has been helpful in reminding of me of my divinity.

"Grandeur is of God, and only of Him. Therefore it is in you: Whenever you become aware of it, however dimly, you abandon the ego automatically, because in the presence of the grandeur of God, the meaninglessness of the ego becomes perfectly apparent. Whenever this occurs, even though it does not understand it, the ego believes that the 'enemy' has struck, and attempts to offer gifts to induce you to return to its 'protection'. Self-inflation is the only offer it can make. The grandiosity of the ego is its alternative to the grandeur of God. Which will you choose?

Grandiosity is always a cover for despair. It is without hope because it is not real. It is an attempt to counteract your littleness, based on the belief that the littleness is real. Without this belief, grandiosity is meaningless, and you could not possibly want it. The essence of grandiosity is copmpetitiveness, because it always involves attack. It is a delusional attempt to outdo, but not to undo. We said before that the ego vacillates between suspiciousness and viciousness. It remains suspicious as long as you despair of yourself. It shifts to viciousness when you decide not to tolerate self-abasement and seek relief. Then it offers the illusion of attack as a 'solution'.

The ego is immobilized in the presence of God's grandeur, because His grandeur establishes your freedom. Even the faintest hint of your reality drives the ego from your mind because you will give up all investment in it. Grandeur is totally without illusions, and because it is real it is compellingly convincing. Yet the conviction of reality will not remain with you unless you do not allow the ego to attack it. The ego will make every effort to recover and mobilize its energies against your release. It will tell you that you are insane and argue that grandeur cannot be a real part of you because of the littleness in which it believes. Yet your grandeur is not delusional because you did not make it. You made grandiosity and are afraid of it because it is a form of attack, but your grandeur is of God, Who created it out of His Love.

From your grandeur you can only bless, because it is your abundance. By blessing you hold it in your mind, protecting it from illusions and keeping yourself in the Mind of God. Remember aways that you cannot be anywhere except in the mind of God."

And I love this line....

"Whenever you question your value, say:

God Himself is incomplete without me."

Something to remember when the ego speaks...:thumbsup:

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

belle99
09-26-2008, 06:18 PM
"God Himself is incomplete without me."

I love it! Just what I needed to hear! I guess we can also state it as, "God Herself is incomplete without me." This gives me an incredible feeling.

wpage
09-26-2008, 06:49 PM
Power vs force graphic is excellent

"When I am weak I am strong"

This thread leads to enlightenment thru power of high minded dealing with worlds conditions.

If you can keep your peace and share it everyone wins in a lost world:thumbsup:

W:peaceflag:

Pamela
09-27-2008, 04:21 PM
Hi Lovies,

Woody...I would like to thank you for joining our discussion! You always make such loving posts and it is such a pleasure to hear your thoughts! :thumbsup:

And Belle... It is perfectly wonderful for you to consider God as feminine! I'm sure She finds it a refreshing change from the norm! :thumbsup:



In "The Disappearance of the Universe" there is a passage that discusses the gender of God and how and why in ACIM Jesus uses the word "He" to describe God. It states that he was speaking metaphorically in the language of scripture because he had to communicate with people, but WE make everything real. "Jesus knew that God cannot be limited by gender and neither can people, because they're not really people. How can you really be a person if you're not a body? ...Jesus treated each body the same...as though it didn't exist. He was then able to look completely past it to the true light of unchangeable and immortal spirit that is the one reality of us all."

It goes on to discuss that like most people today, during the lifetime of Jesus, instead of really listening to what he was teaching, most saw and heard what they wanted to see and hear so they could use him to validate their own experience.... which was the experience of being an individual in a body. Thus, they had to make him a SEPARATE and VERY SPECIAL individual body which is how they really saw themselves and how we still see ourselves.

"Before you knew it, you had people relating to Jesus as the body of all bodies. They already believed that God had created a flawed world with imperfect people like Adam and Eve who were capable of making mistakes. They completely overlooked the logic that for God to create the imperfect must either mean that He Himself was imperfect or He deliberately made those who were so they could screw up, be punished by Him, and suffer here on psycho planet. Then, according to this new developing religion, God takes, incredibly, His big-time special only begotten Son, who would apparently be more Holy than the rest of the scum of the earth, and sends him as a blood sacrifice to suffer and die on a cross as a way of vicariously atoning for people's sins.

Except now there's ANOTHER big problem, because even according to Christianity's own doctrines, this does NOT really atone for anybody else's sins. If it atoned for people's sins, then that would be the end of it. Problem solved. But no! It now becomes necessary for everyone to blindly BELIEVE in all of the details conveniently set forth exclusively by the Christian religion, or else they will STILL burn in hell, even if they happen to be born, presumably by God's will, in a place, time, or culture that isn't even familiar with this particular religion! (:eek:)

...It is true at the time Jesus was the most advanced spiritual person ever to appear on the earth. But everyone else, including you, will eventually attain the same level of accomplishment as him. There is no exception to this. Thus, Jesus is not ultimately different from anyone else, and his attitude was that NO ONE will be left out of Heaven, because there really is only ONE of us, not all these separate bodies as you are presently dreaming."


Grace told me she spent an hour the other day creating a post about the physical body just as she had promised, but when she went to submit it the whole thing poofed! :eek: Once she finds the time to recreate it, I am sure that much of this will make even more sense. :thumbsup:

In the meantime, I am LOVING ever passage from "A Course In Miracles" and applying the daily lessons is very transforming!!! :yahoo:

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

elias
09-28-2008, 06:59 AM
Hi


Grace told me she spent an hour the other day creating a post about the physical body just as she had promised, but when she went to submit it the whole thing poofed! :eek: Once she finds the time to recreate it, I am sure that much of this will make even more sense. :thumbsup:



Yes, that was one of my problems too, until I started copying the whole message to the clipboard before submitting it. :)

Looking forward for Grace's post! :heartthrob:

Grace
09-28-2008, 07:16 PM
Our physical bodies are only projections. Illusion. Not the Truth of who we are as ONE, the LIGHT. So why take care of the body, why concern yourself at all with dis-ease and death? It is only an illusion so why focus attention on something that is not real?

As you study the Course in Miracles you will read in many different ways, that the physical body can be experienced in two different ways. By the ego/mind for death/destruction, and attack, or by the Holy Spirit for Communion. In Communion the physical body is used for LOVE. The physical body is the ONLY TEMPLE to seek devotion to God in.

The Physical body is our opportunity to realize the TRUTH. That we are ONE, and able to express this in many beautiful ways to each other body/temples.

In every moment we have the divine opportunity to express unity or separation. As we grow in consciousness we choose more and more to experience unity in as many moments as possible.

"A short story"

God extended himself and created LIGHT, the light projected itself and created the desire to experience itself as LOVE. This brought forth the idea of "time" and hence Dualism which included the idea to experience the light as love. In order to experience love, the idea of experiencing "no love" was also created which is "The absence of Love." This was only a thought, which manifested itself as the "the ego/mind" the belief in separation and hence the creation of fear.

Your physical body is your opportunity to experience LOVE, to experience UNITY, to experience Divinity by remembering that your physical body is a vessel for unity. You and your brother/sister are ONE and you need only commune with this. On the other hand, to see your physical body as something that is sinful, and of no importance, is giving away your power in this projected reality, which was created to experience LOVE, which is the LIGHT that you ARE.

If you perceive a "negative" perception of another, understand this is a reflection of YOU. Your Body is not separate from another's, but it is a vessel to use for perfection, and to inspire perfection in all. Forgiveness is simply saying, what I am seeing and experiencing is a perception of either true perception or incorrect perception. I forgive myself instantly for my incorrect perception which is illusion and nothing to fear.

Your physical body is a temple for you to experience your Divinity! It is a vessel for you to experience the LOVE that you are.

Love your body, and you will experience GREATNESS! The more you love your vessel, the more you will empower it to experience GREATNESS! Yes it is a projection, but you must remember that it is a projection to experience LOVE. :heartbeat:

Pamela
09-30-2008, 05:32 PM
Thank You, Darling Grace... That was beautiful comment on the projection of the physical body! :thumbsup:

Just about all the passages from A Course In Miracles have the ability to cause those wonderful "Ah Ha" moments and make you want to get out the old highlighter so you can easily refer back to them, but if I did that I would probably be highlighting the whole document! :eek: :D

Still there are some that REALLY stick out and this one on judgment is one of them...

"When the Bible says "Judge not that ye be not judged," it means that if you judge the reality of others you will be unable to judge your own...
The choice to judge rather than to know is the cause of the loss of peace. Judgement is the process on which perception but not knowledge rests... Judgement always involves rejection. It never emphasizes only the positive aspects of what is judged, whether in you or in others. What has been perceived and rejected, or judged and found wanting, remains in your mind because it has been perceived. One of the illusions from which you suffer is the belief that what you judged against has no effect. This cannot be true unless you also believe that what you judged against does not exist. You evidently do not believe this, or you would not have judged against it. In the end it does not matter whether your judgement is right or wrong. Either way you are placing your belief in the unreal. This cannot be avoided in any type of judgement, becuase it implies the belief that reality is yours to select FROM.

You have no idea of the tremendous release and deep peace that comes from meeting yourself and your brothers totally without judgement. When you recognize what you are and what your brothers are, you will realize that judging them in any way is without meaning. In fact, their meaning is lost to you precisely BECAUSE you are judging them. All uncertainty comes from the belief that you are under the coercion of judgement. You do not need judgement to organize your life, and you certainly do not need it to organize yourself. In the presence of knowledge all judgement is automatically suspended, and this is the process that enables recognition to replace perception.

God offers only mercy. Your words should reflect only mercy, because that is what you have received and that is what you should give. Justice is a temporary expedient, or an attempt to teach you the meaning of mercy. It is judgemental only because you are capable of injustice."

These passages, among many others, have caused me to become even more aware and I find that I am catching myself as I begin to judge a brother... and then, as I remember that all of my brothers are Sons of God, I forgive myself as well as forgive my brother's variable perception of himself.

"Love him who is beloved of his Father, and you will learn of the Father's Love for you."

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela

belle99
10-01-2008, 06:39 PM
Grace and Pamela,

Thank you so much for your posts...I will have to let them "digest" in this body of mine for a bit....In Transcending the Levels of Consciousness, Hawkins says that in calibrated levels above 200 you see a desire to maintain a healthy body and appearance. This is not out of pride (level 190) but because of what you have described in your posts.

What a synchronicity. I've always been very health-conscious, and I've found that I have to maintain a higher degree of health to feel baseline-OK, I think compared to the average person in the western world. Not to be "better," but to feel like MYSELF. I recently changed up my workout plan and I am SO inspired and already seeing improvements, mind, body, and spirit.

I'm definitely being reminded that we come here to have the experience of the physical body. Without the physical body, it wouldn't be the same experience. The wonderful illusions of physical reality and matter are the game, they are the joy. They are the whole point of "earth school" as some have called it.

:sun:

belle99
10-09-2008, 12:56 AM
Hi everyone here on the ACIM and Hawkins thread!

Feel free to post about other books and ideas that go along with the flow of conversation here.

My general hope is that this thread will serve as a way to give the rational mind something spiritual to chew on, so that it doesn't fan the flames of the ego.

Here's to oatmeal for the mind!

Pamela
10-14-2008, 06:22 PM
Hi Lovies!

Belle...Thanks so much for opening the door for other books... I have been wanting to do this for a few weeks, but "time" has gotten in my way! :cool:

While ACIM is FABULOUS, it is also deep and intense, so I have found it necessary to read several chapters and then spend some time internalizing the information. And, because I simply cannot go a day without reading SOMETHING :D , I have included a new one by Deepac Chopra which is a little easier to fly through, yet also emphasizes many of the concepts made in ACIM.

"The Third Jesus, The Christ We Cannot Ignore" discusses the "historical Jesus" as the "man who lived more than two thousand years ago and whose teachings are the foundation of Christian theology and thought. Next there is Jesus the Son of God, who has come to embody an institutional religion with specific dogma, a priesthood, and devout believers. And finally, there is the third Jesus, the cosmic Christ, the spiritual guide whose teachings embrace all humanity, not just the church built in his name. He speaks to the individual who wants to find God as a personal experience, to attain what some might call grace, or God-consciousness, or enlightenment." And while I find fascinating Chopra's discussions on the first and second Jesus, his disconcertion with fundamentalist Christians, and his insightful thoughts on certain Bible passages, many of which were completely misinterpreted (no surprise there...:rolleyes: ), it was this Third Jesus that attracted me to this book.

Chopra argues, "Ultimately, Christianity needs to overcome the tendancy to be exclusionary and refocus on being a religion of personal insight and spiritual growth. In this way Jesus can be seen for the universal teacher that he truly is...someone whose teachings of compassion, tolerance, and understanding can embrace and be embraced by all of us.

Like ACIM, Chopra discusses at length, how the ego disallows us to hear our spiritual voice and in doing so, causes us profound suffering, but he provides such a vast wealth of intelligent and practical information on understanding the difference between this illusory world percieved by the egomind and that which is true or Ultimate Reality. I deeply appreciate his thoughts on how the spiritual path opens and the transformations which occur as we begin to get glimpses of reality, enlightenment, and/or God-consciousness...I will try to post some of these thoughts as the days unfold, but for now, that naughty illusion of "time" is getting in my way again! :rolleyes: :D

With Much Love and Gratitude, :heartbeat:

Pamela