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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:23 AM
Charles Barkley doesn’t think Eric Garner’s death was a homicide | For The Win (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/charles-barkley-eric-garner) CHARLES BARKLEY https://www.google.com/#q=homicide

Players in the RFK Killing | The Impious Digest (http://impiousdigest.com/players-in-rfk-killing-2/all/1/)





The confession appears in David E. Scheim's book Contract on America: The Mafia Murder of President John F. Kennedy. Thane Eugene Cesar is mentioned first at page 325, along with an excerpt from "a 1969 filmed and tape-recorded interview with journalist Theodore Charach:

Cesar: For some reason, I don't know why, I had a hold of his [Kennedy's] arm under his elbow here ... his right arm .... And I was a little behind Bobby.... When the shots were fired, when I reached for my gun, and that's when I got knocked down....
Charach: Did you see other guys pull their guns after you pulled your gun...in the kitchen?
Cesar: No, I didn't see anyone else pull their guns in the kitchen area.... Except for myself....
Charach: How far did you have it out?
Cesar: Oh, I had it out of my holster. I had it in my hand. fn212
Footnote 212: Cesar interview, in The Second Gun.

Request to Los Angeles Grand Jury (http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?absPageId=1128736)


Challenging Witnesses

Thousands of pages of testimony and documents released by St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch show how grand jurors and investigators challenged witnesses, asking skeptical questions of those who said the shooting was unjustified. On the stand, several said they'd lied when interviewed by investigators.

Several witnesses admitted to the grand jury that they'd not told the truth when they were interviewed after the shooting by St. Louis County and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents who canvassed the neighborhood.

One resident told the FBI that Brown fell to his knees and put his hands up, that Wilson fired and Brown fell forward, and that Wilson stood over him and shot again. The witness was challenged on the stand in the grand jury room.

"You told the story that had a bunch of lies, isn't that right?" asked Kathi Alizadeh, one of two assistant prosecuting attorneys in the case.

Backtracking Witnesses

The witness backtracked, saying the comments to the FBI were based on "assumption" and "common sense." One woman admitted she lied to FBI agents on Sept. 30 when she claimed to have been a witness, saying she repeated what her boyfriend claimed took place.

"I just wanted to be a part of something and tell them what my boyfriend said because he wasn't there" to be interviewed, she said. "I didn't know if they were going to come back and try to talk to him, I just wanted his story to be out there." She said she testified after the Justice Department granted her immunity and promised not to prosecute her for giving false statements.

Brown was waxed up on dope. This is as good a reason as any for his suicide by cop ending.

Prosecutors repeatedly stressed Brown's pot use : News (http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/prosecutors-repeatedly-stressed-brown-s-pot-use/article_71a79204-ff00-5070-9d1e-96098250e723.html)

A detective told jurors the term “waxing” didn’t mean much to him at first. Then the results of Brown’s toxicology reports came back on Aug. 15 showing he had high levels of THC.

The detective testified that the medical examiner’s office told him the level in Brown’s system “could have potentially caused a loss in perception of space and time and there was also the possibility that there could have been hallucinations.”

According to a toxicology report, Brown had 12 nanograms of THC per milliliter of blood in his system. There were no other drugs detected.

In testimony before the grand jury on Nov. 4, the chief toxicologist for St. Louis County said it was clear Brown had consumed a lot of marijuana because it would take a lot to get a 300-pound person to the level of 12 nanograms of the compound THC in his bloodstream.

Alizadeh asked if the toxicologist was familiar with “waxing.”

The toxicologist said it was a process of using gases such as butane to concentrate the intoxicants in the marijuana for “a lot more bang for the buck.”

https://youtu.be/_2bjoThy4Ug Beto ar 15

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:25 AM
Eugene Thane Cesar: Did he do it? - Page 2 - Robert Kennedy - The Education Forum (http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4055&page=2)

BRENT:I’m talking to Don Schulman. Don can you give us a half-way decent report of what happened within all this chaos?

SCHULMAN;OK I was ..a…standing behind…a…Kennedy as he was taking his assigned route into the kitchen. A Caucasian gentleman stepped out and fired three times. The security guard hit Kennedy all three times. Mr. Kennedy slumped to the floor…they carried him away…the security guards fired back…As I saw…they shot the ….a…man who shot Kennedy…in the leg….he…a before they could get him he shot a ….it looked to me…he shot a woman…and he shot two other men.They then proceeded to carry Kennedy into the kitchen and …I don’t know how his condition is now.

BRENT: Was he grazed or did it appear to be a direct hit? Was it very serious from what you saw?

SCHULMAN:Well…from what I saw…it looked…fairly serious.He had …he was definitely hit three times.Things happened so quickly that…that…there was another eyewitness standing next to me and she is in shock now and very fuzzy…as I am…because it happened so quickly.

BRENT:Right.I was about six people behind the Senator, I heard six or seven shots in succession…Now…is this the security guard firing back?

SCHULMAN:Yes…a…the man who stepped out fired three times at Kennedy..hit him all three times….and the security guard then fired back….hitting…

BRENT: Right.

SCHULMAN:Hitting him, and he is in apprehension.

Jeff-Brent-Recording--Part-2- (http://rfkproject.homestead.com/Jeff-Brent-Recording--Part-2.html)

Don-Schulman (http://rfkproject.homestead.com/Don-Schulman.html)

Who Killed RFK? - Finding Sources Paul Schrade Juan Romero (http://www.findingsources.com/id108.html)

Thane-Eugene-Cesar (http://rfkproject.homestead.com/Thane-Cesar.html)

Who Killed Bobby?: The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy - Shane O'Sullivan - Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=Bxt1a2N6E4gC&pg=PA319&lpg=PA319&dq=jerry+dunphy+interviews+don+schulman&source=bl&ots=wW_6LsNdMl&sig=zp2IfFWQ7QFsKcSvsIdgngkCygU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uGBWVMCuGpWAygTa64HYBQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=jerry%20dunphy%20interviews%20don%20schulman&f=false)

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Continuing Counter Reformation: Barry Chamish - JFK/RFK Kill Zones (http://continuingcounterreformation.blogspot.com/2012/05/barry-chamish-jfkrfk-kill-zones.html)

Who Killed Bobby?: The Unsolved Murder of Robert F. Kennedy - Shane O'Sullivan - Google Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=Bxt1a2N6E4gC&pg=PA319&lpg=PA319&dq=jerry+dunphy+interviews+don+schulman&source=bl&ots=wW_6LsNdMl&sig=zp2IfFWQ7QFsKcSvsIdgngkCygU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uGBWVMCuGpWAygTa64HYBQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=jerry%20dunphy%20interviews%20don%20schulman&f=false)

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:33 AM
Thane-Cesar-LAPD-interview-14-July-1971 (http://rfkproject.homestead.com/Thane-Cesar-LAPD-interview-14-July-1971.html)

Sirhan Sirhan: In His Own Words (http://rense.com/general91/sirhan.htm) By Stephen Lendman 6-25-10

"They made me believe I had murdered Robert Kennedy in cold blood and I was remorseful and ashamed. Everyone said I was guilty. They said I would get the death penalty....no matter what I said or did. They said it was an open and shut case and that I might as well give up. I just wanted to get the whole thing over with and if it meant me being dead, so be it. I didn't have anything left to live for anyway."

A trial followed, Sirhan represented by attorney Grant Cooper, a man he called "crooked. He had mafia and CIA connections," Sirhan explaining what he knew and his mob involvement. "He was (picked) to make sure I was convicted and sent to my death, and Cooper complied because they were planning to kill him" otherwise.

Reynolds asked him to portray what he remembered doing at the Ambassador Hotel. Sirhan stood up, swayed, his arms gently rising, looked straight ahead, then made a gun shape with his right hand, his arm parallel to the ground pretending to shoot, saying:

"At a specific moment, and I can't remember when or why, I shot my 22 caliber pistol three times. My arms were unsteady but level with the ground. Two of the shots missed. I saw them miss. One of the shots may have bounced off him like a BB. All of a sudden people were grabbing me. They were forcing me down....Did anybody say I reached around behind and shot Robert Kennedy in the back of the head?"

Reynolds: "Nobody."

Sirhan: "But that's what I would've had to do" to kill him....So, what do you think of me now? Do you think I am crazy like they say?"

Not at all, said Reynolds, Sirhan adding "I am just a man. I am a man just like you. I am trained never to allow an inmate to touch me."

In parting, he embraced Reynolds, both of them now "secret friends in a desolate place."

Evan Freed Affidavit « JFK CIA (http://www.jfkcia.com/main/?p=55)

Hastings: No Foul Play Suspected in Michael Hastings’ Death, LAPD Says | KTLA (http://ktla.com/2013/06/20/no-foul-play-suspected-in-michael-hastings-death-lapd-says/)

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:34 AM
A police chase ended in a fatal crash Friday morning on the Eastside. Police investigating fatal Eastside crash (http://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/2014/11/28/fatal-crash-eastside/19609909/)

A man allegedly driving a stolen red 2001 Pontiac Aztec crashed near the intersection of East 38th Street and North Sherman Drive while trying to avoid police, according to a statement from the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department.

North Sherman Drive will remain closed for the next few hours as investigators review the scene of the accident. Police advise drivers to seek an alternate route.

Officers responded to a report of a stolen vehicle at around 8:30 a.m. The owner of the car said she left the Aztec running in her driveway while she went inside her house. When she returned, it was gone.

Within half an hour, police received a 911 call stating GPS tracking of the stolen car located it on the 3500 block of Orchard Avenue.

While officers made their way to that area, an officer in a marked patrol car spotted the car and tried to conduct a traffic stop.

The driver pulled over into a lot in the 3700 block of North Keystone Avenue. The driver raised his hands as the officer conducted the felony stop and waited for backup. Soon after, though, the driver fled eastbound on East 38th Street at high speed.

The driver swerved at the intersection of East 38th Street and North Sherman Drive, trying to avoid hitting another vehicle. He lost control and crashed against a tree.

The driver was pronounced dead at the scene by Indianapolis EMS personnel.

The driver has not been identified. More details are not available at this time.

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Michael Hastings' Last Ride (http://oldbulllee.com/hastingsride.htm)




Highland Avenue was closed for hours between Melrose and Rosewood avenues. Debris from the vehicle was scattered across both sides of the median. The vehicle’s engine and transmission were separated from the chassis and landed approximately 100 feet south of the crash site, near Highland Avenue and Clinton Street.



frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:42 AM
She's the wife of the jewish man with the garden hose. A most important eyewitness who contradicts (the police report) that Hastings was on fire for 3-5 minutes. The relevant audio starts around 12:00.

This is a real and nasty image of a man burned in a car fire. http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/82208d1249885757-bodies-dead-mangled-car-crash-car-crash3_zps8fae8b59.jpg

Michael Hastings' Last Ride (http://oldbulllee.com/hastingsride.htm)



Eyewitness Account - Michael Hasting Car Crash (http://oldbulllee.com/hastingss-witness.htm)

As to the unprecedented Obama regime action of cremating Hastings body without his family’s permission either being sought or granted, the InfoWars News Service further reports:

“A witness to the aftermath of the Michael Hastings accident on June 18 in Hancock Park in Los Angeles, California told Infowars Nightly News that the journalist’s body was not badly charred as reported by the Los Angeles Times.

The LAPD and the Los Angeles County Coroner were “trying their best” to hide the body from the witness, who asked to remain anonymous, when it was pulled from the vehicle approximately three hours after the fire was extinguished, between 7:20 to 7:40 AM.

After the ferocity of the fire, the witness expected to see a body charred beyond recognition. “What I saw was the full body,” she told Infowars Nightly News, “with a completely burned face, up to say the shoulders. From the shoulders down I saw the whole body, completely intact, not burned in any way.”
She identified the body as a “white guy about 25 to 30… a white young guy… I saw full, white arms.”

This contradicts the official story. “The body was badly charred and identified only as ‘John Doe 117,’ law enforcement authorities told The Times. Coroner’s officials were attempting to match dental records to help make a positive identification, according to authorities,” the LA Times reported.”​
As to why the Obama regime, and now the LAPD, are continuing to cover-up Hastings assassination can be readily viewed in this map showing the sheer impossibility of this award winning reporter who was running for his life having been killed by his vehicle hitting a tree, especially in light of the fact the debris field extends for nearly 300 meters (100 yards) clearly indicating an explosive event.

Mrs. A: OK. So when I tell about that I have to preface it with the fact that they were trying their best not to let me see it. So whatever I did see, it was hard to see. What I expected to see -- after that fire -- basically was a body in pieces and completely black. So I saw his full body with a completely black face. completely burned face up to the shoulders. From shoulders down I saw the whole body which was completely intact, not burned in any way. I didn't know who it was but when I saw it, I told my daughter it was white guy about 25 - 30, I told her. A white, young guy. And I'm still doubting I could see it, but how did I know it was a white guy 25 - 30 with completely white arms -- not burned in any way. And from what I saw he was wearing something like a T-shirt, but I saw the gray color, but it could have been gray from the smoke. I don't know what its (?) is. As far as I could see, it was cut-off sleeves. I saw full white arms. I even paid attention that it was -- I thought to my self: it is California and the guy is so white, so not-tanned. But it was a dead body.

GE: It was sevenish when all this happened?

Mrs. A: it was 7:20 to 7:40.

GE: So you had pretty good daylight at that point?

Mrs. A: it was completely light. And so they put him on the grass. They spread the white sheet on the grass. Put him flat on his back and the coroners went around doing what they were doing. I could see they were kneeling in front of him, squatting in front of him. The two coroner ladies. And then one of them pulled him by the arm to lift him on his side. To roll him on his side and checked something in the back, which I assumed is the back pocket of his pants to see for ID. So I clearly saw not only was his skin not burned -- you could have moved him by the arms.

Despite rescue effort, Yarmouth Port man dies in fiery crash - News - capecodtimes.com - Hyannis, MA (http://www.capecodtimes.com/article/20141114/News/141119731)

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/5-dead-1-injured-car-crashes-california-highway-bursts-flames-officials-article-1.1470411 [B]charred

The car was fully engulfed in flames when emergency workers arrived moments after the wreck was reported by a worker at a nearby Jamba Juice, KABC-TV reported.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2014-06-16/police-name-man-who-died-after-a-car-hit-a-tree-in-leicester/ Engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-H1v8aOFIQ fire

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:44 AM
2 die when speeding car crashes, burns | FOX5 San Diego (http://fox5sandiego.com/2014/10/12/1-dead-after-fiery-crash-in-north-county/)

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Who Killed Michael Hastings? -- New York Magazine (http://nymag.com/news/features/michael-hastings-2013-11/)

By the middle of June, though, Hastings, then 33, had become openly afraid. Helicopters are a common sight in the Hollywood Hills, but he had told Jordanna Thigpen, a neighbor he’d become close to, that there were more of them in the sky than usual, and he was certain they were tracking him. On Saturday the 15th, he called Matt Farwell, his writing partner, and said Farwell might be interviewed by the FBI. Farwell was unsettled. “He was being really cagey over the phone, which was odd, very odd,” Farwell says. On the 17th, Hastings e-mailed colleagues at BuzzFeed to warn them that “the Feds are interviewing my ‘close friends and associates’ ”; he was “onto a big story” and needed to go “off the rada[r] for a bit … hope to see you all soon.”

“He was deeply agitated,” says The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur. Since Hastings didn’t want to say anything more over e-mail or the phone, Farwell, who lived in Virginia, set up a lunch for him the following Thursday with a trusted friend of Farwell’s, also in L.A., so that she could pass along whatever Hastings had to tell him on her forthcoming trip East.

The lunch never happened. At 4:20 a.m. on Tuesday, June 18, Hastings’s silver Mercedes C250 coupe, speeding south on Highland Avenue, crossed Melrose, jumped the median, hit a palm tree, and exploded. The charred body of the driver was identified by the Los Angeles coroner as John Doe 117 until fingerprints confirmed that the deceased was Michael Hastings.

Rolling Stone journalist feared prior to crash his car was tampered with: Report | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/22/michael-hastings-asked-to-use-neighbor-car-night-his-death-report/)

https://coolinterestingstuff.com/the-very-strange-death-of-danny-casolaro-and-the-odd-events-that-followed Danny Casolaro


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:46 AM
How Did Michael Hastings Really Die? | The Daily Sheeple (http://www.thedailysheeple.com/how-did-michael-hastings-really-die_082013)

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Jose said the car was on fire way before it crossed the light.

Jose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fweyFCFKcp0&list=LLASEvuuPdBy-yxBfI9RozgA

"I ran to the street and asked myself how will this end?"

"The car was bouncing, flames and sparks near the gas tank."

"When he hit the palm tree, that's when the flames were higher."

"There were explosions and everything. The transmission was found a few feet in front of the car."

"You saw the sparks prior to him hitting anything, you just saw it at the bottom of the car?"

"Yes, plenty from the beginning, way before he crossed the light."

"No one could approach the car because it kept exploding."

"As soon as he crossed the Melrose stop light, about 50 feet ahead is when he lost control."

"I think he came across deeper pot holes, and he fish-tailed and he went right into the palm tree."

The flames can be seen across the rear and right side of the car. IT WAS ON FIRE. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIFi7BKwFis



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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:48 AM
Was it a bomb, or simply placed there...130 feet southeast of the Mercedes' resting spot? There are few things in this case more absurd than the engine fly-out myth. What a complete farce.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:54 AM
Body Examination:

Decedent was observed seated inside his extremely damaged/ charred vehicle, appearing his
seat had been pushed back about a couple of feet or so. He was slumped forward, leaning
toward his left; as he was well wedged into the vehicle, he required LAFD extrication.

Decedent was first observed not slumped forward or leaning to his left, unless the pumpkin head wasn't Hastings? Nothing was wedging the dummie head or whatever it was in the car. The dummie did not require LAFD EXTRICATION.

It can't be shown how any body was pinned in the car. The dummie was all the way back, head straight up and nothing pinning it in. NO REAL EXTRACTION TOOK PLACE. IT WAS STAGED.

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The supposed body was at first straight up and then slumped over with a blown out door only a minute and a half later. The later view with it slumped over was faked. The times to look for are 3:00 and 4:38.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 12:56 AM
People have only asked where Hastings was headed right before his car exploded, but few ever asked a much more important question. Assuming that Hastings left in his car after leaving Thigpen's place, where the hell did he go for as many as 4 hours? This huge amount of time would've allowed him to be killed elsewhere and to remotely control the Mercedes a very short distance before it absolutely exploded. He was only 1.5 miles from home.


Michael Hastings' Dangerous Mind: Journalistic Star Was Loved, Feared and Haunted - Los Angeles | Los Angeles News and Events | LA Weekly (http://www.laweekly.com/news/michael-hastings-dangerous-mind-journalistic-star-was-loved-feared-and-haunted-2614816)

In February, Hastings had rented a one-bedroom apartment with a gorgeous view overlooking Hollywood. The landlord allowed him to use another unit, the one below Thigpen's, to write.

Often, when Hastings was done for the day, he would visit Thigpen. He would talk passionately about the stories he was working on. They talked about other things in the news, about stories she thought he should pursue, and about their shared sense of grief.

"We both suffered the same thing, which was depression," she says.

Hastings was intensely interested in government surveillance of journalists. In May, the story broke about the Department of Justice obtaining the phone records of Associated Press reporters. A couple weeks later, Edward Snowden's revelations about the National Security Agency's massive surveillance program became public. Hastings was convinced he was a target.

His behavior grew increasingly erratic. Helicopters often circle over the hills, but Hastings believed there were more of them around whenever he was at home, keeping an eye on him. He came to believe his Mercedes was being tampered with. "Nothing I could say could console him," Thigpen says.

One night in June, he came to Thigpen's apartment after midnight and urgently asked to borrow her Volvo. He said he was afraid to drive his own car. She declined, telling him her car was having mechanical problems.

"He was scared, and he wanted to leave town," she says.

The next day, around 11:15 a.m., she got a call from her landlord, who told her Hastings had died early that morning. His car had crashed into a palm tree at 75 mph and exploded in a ball of fire.

"I burst into tears," Thigpen says. "I couldn't believe it had happened again."


Michael Hastings' Last Ride (http://oldbulllee.com/hastingsride.htm)

It was all just a coincidence, or not. He was paranoid about his car being tampered with only four hours before he blew up in it, or was he really in it at all?

Michael Hastings' Dangerous Mind: Journalistic Star Was Loved, Feared and Haunted | L.A. Weekly (http://www.laweekly.com/news/michael-hastings-dangerous-mind-journalistic-star-was-loved-feared-and-haunted-2614816)

His behavior grew increasingly erratic. Helicopters often circle over the hills, but Hastings believed there were more of them around whenever he was at home, keeping an eye on him. He came to believe his Mercedes was being tampered with. "Nothing I could say could console him," Thigpen says.

One night in June, he came to Thigpen's apartment after midnight and urgently asked to borrow her Volvo. He said he was afraid to drive his own car. She declined, telling him her car was having mechanical problems.

"He was scared, and he wanted to leave town," she says.

The next day, around 11:15 a.m., she got a call from her landlord, who told her Hastings had died early that morning. His car had crashed into a palm tree at 75 mph and exploded in a ball of fire.

"I burst into tears," Thigpen says. "I couldn't believe it had happened again."

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:00 AM
Car impacts



Video Shows Lamborghini Huracan Doing 208 MPH On Highway Before Crash (http://jalopnik.com/video-shows-lamborghini-huracan-doing-208-mph-on-highwa-1680367973)

Driver charged with DWI in East Village crash - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/east-village-car-crash-sends-hospital-article-1.1376613)

Woman crashes car into tree, dies in NE Phila. - philly-archives (http://articles.philly.com/2011-03-08/news/28668906_1_woman-crashes-car-ne-phila-tree)

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08-09-2015, 01:05 AM
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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:07 AM
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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:16 AM
The tire was mostly parallel with the passenger side. It was not turned hard left and could never appear so from any angle. I knew that before posting this thread. Shortly after you made your point I found an awesome capture at 1:53 that shows the tire mostly straight, as it was early in the video and at the end. The straight tire is visible about one minute after the fake image is turned hard left. The angle is the same at these two different times and this capture used is one second before the old one, at 0:54. Of course the LL video was fabricated to some degree. That's just common sense, but what amazes me are the clues they left behind for anyone that bothered to look.


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Published on Jun 21, 2013

There are still many questions and theories circling around what caused the tragic car crash that took esteemed journalist Michael Hastings' life. We don't have official word yet and are awaiting an official investigation. Some people witnessed the crash though, including Jose Rubalcava, who is the only man known to have witnessed the crash from beginning to end. He shares what he saw in the interview with Ana Kasparian, co-host of The Young Turks.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:18 AM

Okay. But what I'm saying is that deception was used in the video and other evidence suggests that the body was not burnt completely. That doesn't seem possible, considering the Mercedes was ablaze for at least five minutes.


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https://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/michael_hastings_life_and_death_a_brothers_reflect ions/

When I got to L.A. and saw him, I immediately realized that he was not going to go willingly. I started to make arrangements with our other brother to fly out and help me possibly force Mike into checking himself into a hospital or detox center. I’d thought that I had at least convinced Mike to just stay in his apartment and chill out for the next few days, but he snuck out on me when I was sleeping. He crashed his car before anyone could do anything to help him ...


A witness described the accident to KTLA News: “I was just coming northbound on Highland and I seen a car, like, going really fast and all of a sudden I seen it jackknife,” Luis Cortez said. “I just seen parts fly everywhere, and I slammed on my brakes and stopped and tried to call 911.”

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:20 AM

Michael Hastings' Last Ride (http://oldbulllee.com/hastingsride.htm)
Eyewitness Account - Michael Hasting Car Crash (http://oldbulllee.com/hastingss-witness.htm)

She's the wife of the jewish man with the garden hose. A most important eyewitness who contradicts (the police report) that Hastings was on fire for 3-5 minutes. The relevant audio starts around 12:00.

If her account is true then Hastings was certainly not inside the burning Mercedes, as he would've looked like the completely burned man in the car below. What's interesting is how her description isn't much different from the Coroner's report. The most significant difference is that she described both arms being unburnt instead of just one.


This is a real and nasty image of a man burned in a car fire. http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/82208d1249885757-bodies-dead-mangled-car-crash-car-crash3_zps8fae8b59.jpg

As to the unprecedented Obama regime action of cremating Hastings body without his family’s permission either being sought or granted, the InfoWars News Service further reports:

“A witness to the aftermath of the Michael Hastings accident on June 18 in Hancock Park in Los Angeles, California told Infowars Nightly News that the journalist’s body was not badly charred as reported by the Los Angeles Times.

The LAPD and the Los Angeles County Coroner were “trying their best” to hide the body from the witness, who asked to remain anonymous, when it was pulled from the vehicle approximately three hours after the fire was extinguished, between 7:20 to 7:40 AM.

After the ferocity of the fire, the witness expected to see a body charred beyond recognition. “What I saw was the full body,” she told Infowars Nightly News, “with a completely burned face, up to say the shoulders. From the shoulders down I saw the whole body, completely intact, not burned in any way.”
She identified the body as a “white guy about 25 to 30… a white young guy… I saw full, white arms.”

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This contradicts the official story. “The body was badly charred and identified only as ‘John Doe 117,’ law enforcement authorities told The Times. Coroner’s officials were attempting to match dental records to help make a positive identification, according to authorities,” the LA Times reported.”​
As to why the Obama regime, and now the LAPD, are continuing to cover-up Hastings assassination can be readily viewed in this map showing the sheer impossibility of this award winning reporter who was running for his life having been killed by his vehicle hitting a tree, especially in light of the fact the debris field extends for nearly 300 meters (100 yards) clearly indicating an explosive event.


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The Canada Free Press in their reporting on Hastings assassination also stated:

“According to most recent investigative findings, [B]it appears that Mr. Hastings made multiple contacts with sources directly associated with the illegal NSA domestic spying program, and either recently acquired materials and/or information about the extent of, the targets of, and the recipients of the information of domestic spying program.
It is speculated that the latter information was of particular concern to as yet unidentified individuals holding positions of authority within the U.S. Department of Defense and their subcontractors, as well as certain parties within the Executive branch of the United States government.
Investigation and research suggests that Mr. Hastings might have obtained, or arranged to obtain information pertaining to the role of a particular high-ranking officer within the U.S. military overseeing the domestic aspects of the NSA project.”​
To if the American people themselves will demand that the assassins of Hastings be brought to justice, it remains highly doubtful as their propaganda news media and elite classes, as always, seek to hide this brutal crime away from public notice as they have done too many other times to count.

LOUD LABS CRASH VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c82SIMMeYsU

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:21 AM
The evidence that the damage to the tree was faked is found within the video. Of course Luke has no interest in seeing any real proof that debunks his acceptance of simple falsehoods. Luke meets this kind of evidence by either pretending not to meet it or possibly spending some time to find a stupid excuse. Luke has been provided with the north side of the tree which contains no impact damage compared to the daytime photo that displays the north/northwest sides. It is so precise that the vertical discoloration matches in both images.

Note that the bark is shredded at 3:38 and in the day-pic, but not at 4:34. There are more changes throughout the video. The vertical discoloration matches the daytime photo and it depicts the north and west sides of the tree. What nonsense are you referring to? I've provided factual evidence that the film was altered, and good analysis that Hastings was likely not inside that towering inferno.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:24 AM
This is the first comp I did early this year. The camera angle is the same with a slight difference in zoom. The tire being straight and them wanting us to believe it was turned hard left is independent proof of a massive cover-up. One has to wonder how the car got on the grass with only three tires? It's totally logical that the Mercedes slowed greatly prior to its final resting spot, and then exploded.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:25 AM

Do you think it's possible that Jose did not see Hastings' entire body if the video of the blown out door at 4:37 was in fact authentic? He was killed before the staged crash. At least a good case can be made for it.

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It isn't a head, but is supposed to be (I guess) the left side of his head. It would be the left side and the top. The fake visual at 4:37 looks more real and matches the coroner's report.

Do you think it's possible that Jose did not see Hastings' entire body if the video of the blown out door at 4:37 was in fact authentic? He would have seen it because it's obvious once a person sees the supposed slumped over Michael Hastings.

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:27 AM
Two teenagers dead after car crashes into a tree as four others from a vehicle following it are arrested | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357415/Two-teenagers-dead-car-crashes-tree-vehicle-following-arrested.html)

That thing isn't a human head or the headrest. He was officially found slumped to the left, but that visual showed about a minute later. Two obvious things stand out for me. The nose looks like a long snout and the chin is way too rounded. There's just a few inches between his chin and neck.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:30 AM
1) The camera angles at 1:12/1:53 match up from left to right. You can tell by the gas station, street light, two palm trees, the man, house with lights on, hydrant/water, another tree and car. And finally on the right, a tree, security sign, debris, and parking sign are all present at both times with a slightly closer zoom in 1:53.

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It doesn't matter whether one believes the tire was mostly straight or turned hard left. The tire has to appear in exactly the same position at both times, but it doesn't because the film was altered. You were proven wrong once I found 1:53 and matched it to the daytime photo and 5:07. You cannot duplicate your delusion with your own experiment because the tire would appear in the same position because the angle would be the same. That's reality, a place you left willingly.

2) The front passenger wheel was never turned hard left in reality. The force did not cause the front driver wheel to fly off while the front turned about 45 degrees to the left because it was straight. The faked tire is mostly parallel with the front of the car, while the real position of the tire aligns with the passenger side.

And no, you shouldn't (BUT YOU MIGHT, CUZ you'll feel defeated if you don't.LOL) reply to any further private messages on this subject because you are debunked and no amount of simple denials will change that. You are 100% wrong about the film being authentic because there's no evidence anyone can bring that will change that it was fabricated at several points in the LoudLabs footage.

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....Two teenagers dead after car crashes into a tree as four others from a vehicle following it are arrested | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357415/Two-teenagers-dead-car-crashes-tree-vehicle-following-arrested.html)

Young man killed in BMW crash in northeast Houston (http://www.khou.com/story/traffic/2014/12/19/young-man-killed-in-bmw-crash-in-northeast-houston/20639369/)

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:36 AM
The Zfilm shows the President being shot in the forehead and the back of the head literally popping off. This visual fact is corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses. I've included three, two of which were SS agents in the follow-up car. Nobody has or will ever honestly make a case for one bullet entering the rear and creating a large exit in the rear.

As 50th Anniversary Of Assassination Approaches, Surgeon Who Treated JFK Remembers « CBS Philly (http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/11/19/as-50th-anniversary-of-assassination-approaches-surgeon-who-treated-jfk-remembers/)

Two other doctors were already treating Kennedy, Dr. Perry and Dr. Jenkins, and they ordered Dr. McClelland to hold the patient’s head.
So, he stood, holding the bleeding, injured head of the President of the United States. The wound was huge, gaping.

“My first reaction was, ‘My God, have you seen the back of the President’s head?’” McClelland says. They hadn’t.

In hindsight, Dr. McClelland says that he always believed the wound at the back of President Kennedy’s head was the exit wound. But it wasn’t until years later, when he saw the famous Abraham Zapruder video on television, that the doctor became convinced of it.

“That firmed up my thought that it was the exit wound,” he says, pointing to the backwards motion of the President’s body after he was shot, as well as the size of the hole in the back of JFK’s skull, as proof he was shot from the front.

He is, however, sure of some things: "There were at least two shooters (“absolutely”) and the assassination was likely a conspiracy involving government “elements.”

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:40 AM
The autopsy report and all three docs involved in the autopsy reported missing bone in the Occipital region. The government created a fraudulent but plausible wound path that was inconsistent with the evidence in this case. Most importantly, they moved the entry from low in the skull, completely out of the Occipital region and into the Parietal bone. POLITICIANS CHANGED AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT AUTOPSY REPORT.

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How did a bullet enter the rear of the skull and blow out the rear of the skull? Boswell confirmed this fiction in 1996.

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Testimony Of Dr. Robert Nelson Mcclelland (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/mcclella.htm)

THE EXIT WOUND EXTENDED TO THE BOTTOM OF THE OCCIPITAL BONE. The force of the bullet pushed up the top of the head, but the bullet exited the right rear, as has been factual for many decades. That is McCLELLAND'S drawing of the rear blow-out. https://www.google.com/search?q=dr+mcclelland+drawing&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cNuEU43THY6ZyATPiIKQBw&ved=0CCgQsAQ&biw=1536&bih=748

Mr. SPECTER - Before proceeding to describe what you did in connection with the tracheostomy, will you more fully describe your observation with respect to the head wound?

Dr. McCLELLAND - As I took the position at the head of the table that I have already described, to help out with the tracheotomy, I was in such a position that I could very closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been extremely blasted. It had been shattered, apparently, by the force of the shot so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp and seemed to be fractured almost along its right posterior half, as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral haft, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a way that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blasted out. There was a large amount of bleeding which was occurring mainly from the large venous channels in the skull which had been blasted open.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:49 AM
I guessed a .38 service revolver because it was standard for decades. Maybe Greer's perfect/sitting duck shot also helped create the extreme damage.

The driver shot jfk with a handgun, likely a 38 revolver fired from 6-8 feet in front of the President. The violent thrashing backwards was caused by the close range shot.

John F. Kennedy Assassination Homepage :: Warren Commission :: Hearings :: Volume VI :: Page 38 (http://www.jfk-assassination.com/warren/wch/vol6/page38.php)

This interview leaves no doubt about the right rear being blasted out and Greer's close range shot with a high velocity handgun. This silly interviewer quickly changes the subject after cerebellum falling out is brought to light.

Dr. Mcclelland. I think even then you could make the statement that this wound could have resulted from this type bullet fired through this particular mass of soft tissue, losing that much velocity before it exited from the body. Where you would expect to see this really great hole that is left behind would be, for instance, from a very high velocity missile fired at close range with a heavy caliber bullet, such as a .45 pistol fired at close range, which would make a small entrance hole, relatively, and particularly if it entered some portion of the anatomy such as the head, where there was a sudden change in density from the brain to the skull cavity, as it entered. As it left the body, it would still have a great deal of force behind it and would blow up a large segment of tissue as it exited.

But I don't think the bullet of this nature fired from that distance and going through this large area of homogenous soft tissue would necessarily make the usual kind of exit wound like I just described, with a close range high velocity heavy caliber bullet. This is why it would be difficult to say with certainty as has been implied in some newspaper articles that quoted me, that you could tell for sure that this was an entrance or an exit wound. I think this was blown up a good deal.

Testimony Of Dr. Robert Nelson Mcclelland (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/mcclella.htm)

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Testimony Of Dr. Robert Nelson Mcclelland (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/mcclella.htm)

Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe, if anything, as to the status of the neck wound when you first arrived?

Dr. McCLELLAND - The neck wound, when I first arrived, was at this time converted into a tracheotomy incision. The skin incision had been made by Dr. Perry, and he told me---although I did not see that---that he had made the incision through a very small, perhaps less than one quarter inch in diameter wound in the neck.

Mr. SPECTER - Do you recall whether he described it any more precisely than that?
Dr. McCLELLAND - He did not at that time.
Mr. SPECTER - Has he ever described it any more precisely for you?
Dr. McCLELLAND - He has since that time.
Mr. SPECTER - And what description has he given of it since that time? (HE, IS DR. PERRY)

Dr. McCLELLAND - As well as I can recall, the description that he gave was essentially as I have just described, that it was a very small injury, with clear cut, although somewhat irregular margins of less than a quarter inch in diameter, with minimal tissue damage surrounding it on the skin.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, was there anything left for you to observe of that bullet wound, or had the incision obliterated it?
Dr. McCLELLAND - The incision had obliterated it, essentially, the skin portion, that is.

Mr. SPECTER - Based on the experience that you have described for us with gunshot wounds and your general medical experience, would you characterize the description of the wound that Dr. Perry gave you as being a wound of entrance or a wound of exit, or was the description which you got from Dr. Perry and Dr. Baxter and Dr. Carrico who were there before, equally consistent with whether or not it was a wound of entrance or a wound of exit, or how would you characterize it in your words?

Dr. McCLELLAND - I would say it would be equally consistent with either type wound, either an entrance or an exit type wound. It would be quite difficult to say--impossible.

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:52 AM
Jackie, being the closest eyewitness after the shot, makes her testimony very important to exactly where the exit wound was. She describes what so many others did, and now she's confirmed correct by exposing the rear exit wound was always visible in frame 313.

The driver shot Kennedy square in the right forehead with the bullet logically exiting the right rear. That exit wound is corroborated by 40 witnesses and my work showing that jfk's rear skull gaped open at the moment of front right impact. Notice the right rear missing in the autopsy pic and compare that to frame 313.

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Warren Commission Suppressed Jackie's
Testimony On JFK's Head Wound

Court Reporter's Tape Shows
Additional Description Withheld

Dallas, TX -- August 5, 2001 -- JFK Lancer, an historical research firm reports that the Court Reporter's tape shows Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony before the Warren Commission had additional descriptions which were withheld.
Mrs. Kennedy testified in a short private session held at her home in Washington, D.C., with Chief Justice Earl Warren, Commission General Council J. Lee Rankin, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and a court reporter in attendance. Testimony of witnesses before the Warren Commission was made public in the fall of 1964. Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony was also released containing her description of her husbands wounds which read :

"And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything."

But a second section in which she described the wounds she saw carried only the notation: (Reference to Wounds Deleted).
Although very few Americans actually read those transcripts, historians and researchers who did read them were outraged, and waged a legal battle to have the omitted testimony released. In the early 1970s, a court decision required the United States Government to disclose to the public the contents of the still classified section of Mrs. Kennedy's 1964 Warren Commission testimony. Her previously withheld statement read:

"I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing--- I suppose there must have been.

But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on."

Releasing this previously withheld section gave researchers what was assumed to be Mrs. Kennedy's complete description of the President's head wounds. Researchers took for granted that the hand-typed transcript page released by the National Archives from the official records of the Warren Commission ended the matter.

However, new analysis reveals that the original court tape actually reads:

"... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top."

Filmmaker Mark Sobel found the discrepancy while doing research for a forthcoming documentary on JFK. Sobel explained, "I was quite surprised to find that Mrs. Kennedy was not asked for more detail --- she had an opportunity to view the wounds longer and closer than any other person as they originally existed. Given the seemingly contradictory testimony by the doctors who treated the President at Parkland Hospital in Dallas just after the shooting and the Doctors who performed the autopsy at Bethesda many hours later, Mrs. Kennedy's testimony would appear critical."
Sobel filed under the Freedom of Information Act to have the court reporter's original tape of Mrs. Kennedy's testimony unsealed, citing that the content had already been fully declassified by the courts and that it was in the best interest of the public for the accuracy of the existing transcript to be verified. Sobel explained, "As I compared the 1964 transcript to the original court reporter's paper tape, I reached a sentence officially transcribed by the Warren Commission as: "I could see a piece of his skull, and I remember that it was flesh colored"words on the original paper taped no longer matched up."

Court Reporter Kathy Bradford of Bradford Court Reporting of Dallas, Texas, agreed. Bradford reviewed the transcript from the archives and certified Mrs. Kennedy's complete statement was not found in the Warren Commission's version..

This extra description was almost certainly witheld from the Commissioners and Legal Staff as well, since these descriptions are missing in the typed transcript that is contained in the actual Warren Commission Records --- before it was finally released publicly in its entirety.

Apprised of these new details, David Mantik, M.D., Ph.D. stated, "Given the lack of follow-up in Mrs. Kennedy's description to exactly what she saw, these details could have been valuable to the House Select Committee on Assassinations that reviewed the medical evidence." Mantik is one of the few doctors allowed to view President Kennedy's original autopsy materials in the National Archives.
Secret Service Agent Clint Hill, seen in films and photos in Dealey Plaza climbing onto the rear of the limousine, stated in his Warren Commission testimony,
"Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car."

Debra Conway of JFK Lancer, says that the court reporter's tape is now on their web site. Conway stated, "Mrs. Kennedy also describes this piece of skull to historian Theodore White in her famous 'Camelot' interview where she told him, 'I could see a piece of his skull coming off; it was flesh colored not white--' This is very similar to what she said to the Warren Commission."
Conway went on to explain, "There were pieces of skull found in the street and in the limousine. The piece of skull described by Mrs. Kennedy could have been one of those later found in the street, the limousine, or an avulsed piece still attached to his head."
Researcher Barb Junkkarinen, who specializes in the medical evidence of the Kennedy assassination and is the Director of the JFK Alliance for Open Archives organization, told JFK Lancer, "The real 'find' here is that two specific descriptions of the head wound by Mrs. Kennedy (that the skull piece was wedge shaped, and that it had little ridges at the top) are not included in what is supposed to be the full and complete transcript of her testimony."
In his memoirs, Senator Arlen Specter, a Junior Council for the Warren Commission in 1964, suggests that the minimal testimony taken from Mrs. Kennedy was due to Earl Warren wishing to be protective of her, and that the handling of her testimony created some distress among other Commissioners and Legal Staff. However, in formerly Top Secret transcripts of the meetings of the seven Commissioners, Commissioner John J. McCloy repeatedly emphasized the importance of obtaining such testimony as quickly as possible "She's the best witness," he said "as to how those bullets struck her husband."

Junkkarinen adds, "Why they would withhold an accurate description is open to debate, but the fact that they put out an altered transcript is telling. How many other transcripts may have fallen victim to the same shenanigans? This is a find that proves alteration of original evidence, and that is important.
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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:54 AM
CLINT HILL'S THE AGENT WHO GOT JACKIE BACK IN THE LIMO. insidethearrb (http://insidethearrb.livejournal.com/)

Here is some collaborating information (on the SS Agent Greer being the source of the final headshot with his nickle plated revolver)

Douglas P. Horne, Chief Analyst for Military Records, Assassination Records Review Board (Pub 2010) details in volume five of this incredibly detailed and well-documented five volume set, how a "prominent researcher" that he knows who requested confidentiality on his identity, describes video taping an interview (shortly before the witness died) with an unnamed black steward on Air Force One, who related an incident on the Air Force One flight back to Washington after the assassination, during which Secret Service Agent Clint Hill "was changing his shirt (which was covered with the President's blood) and in a moment of complete honesty, while being assisted by the steward with his change of wardrobe, confided to the steward that when he jumped onto the back of the limousine, 'the driver had his gun out and it was pointed right at my face'."

Horne continues, "As the interview was related to me, Clint Hill was quite shaken by what he saw, for the implications were obvious. Hill's descriptions of the sound of the head shot(s), in both his written statement and in his Warren Commission testimony, were consistently that it resembled the sound a revolver makes when it is fired into a hard object."

Horne continues, "The discharging of a firearm inside the limousine could also explain why the triage nurse at Parkland hospital, Bertha Lozano, smelled 'smoke' (i.e. gunpowder) when Kennedy and Connelly were rushed past her on gurneys to the trauma stations for treatment." "The videotaped interview of the steward also provides independent corroboration for Hugh Betzner's account in his Sheriff's Department affidavit of November 22, 1963, that he saw a nickel (plated) revolver in someone’s hand inside the limousine during the assassination, and is consistent with Jean Hill's account in her affidavit of November 22, 1963 that some men in plain clothes were 'shooting back' (at the assassins)." "

One other Chrenshaw quote from High Treason 2 (page 114) is worth of mention here:
'The Secret Service men were there when we started to work on Mr. Kennedy (at Parkland Hospital). Clint Hill had a gun out and cocked and we were afraid he was going to shoot one of us. And Doris Nelson went around saying, 'he's okay, he's okay, he's okay,' and got him finally out of the room. It was sheer bedlam.

This makes sense to me only when I consider the revelation made by Clint Hill to the Air Force One steward. Consider his state of mind in Trauma Room One, given what Hill confided to the steward. He had just seen (and heard) the driver of the President's limousine plug the President, the man they were all sworn to protect, with a coup de grace shot to the head, and from that moment onward (until the end of his career when he was granted early retirement in 1975), his world was turned upside down. He was surrounded by known traitors: William Greer, Roy Kellerman, Floyd Boring, Emory Roberts -- and doubtless others, unknown to him. He didn't know whom to trust, and besides being infused with anger and overcome by sorrow, he might well even have been afraid for his own life, for having heard Greer fire his revolver, and seen it in his hand immediately after the head explosion, he was clearly, 'the man who knew too much'.

Hill had enough intestinal fortitude to tell Arlen Specter about Floyd Boring's security stripping role under oath, and enough common sense to suddenly forget Boring's name when he was required to prepare a written statement about the matter later for Secret Service Chief James J. Rowley. The poor man suffered from deep depression and alcoholism for years, and his agony was still apparent, and right on the surface, in 1975 when he was interviewed for the television news magazine 60 Minutes by Mike Wallace. (During that interview, I believe Hill was as upset by what he could [B]not[B] talk about, as he was by what he did talk about. The 'survivor's guilt' that he exhibited during the poignant interview may really have related more to his failure to blow the whistle on the 'dirty' Secret Service agents involved in the assassination, than to his failure to get to the limousine in time to protect the President."

Horne's five volumes, large format paperback set is incredibly inclusive and well documented and is available on both amazon.com and amazon.ca. I strongly recommend it.

https://books.google.com/books?id=v7ZFAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=bertha+lozano+jfk+smelled+smoke&source=bl&ots=caEs0P5rot&sig=dJU2lZYNo4HtvILzPWcojMZHI6I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHmPqV5vXMAhVWa1IKHRlWAYAQ6AEILDAC#v=on epage&q=bertha%20lozano%20jfk%20smelled%20smoke&f=false

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:56 AM
Posner vs Harris 1 (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/comp1.htm#con_j)
The Testimony of John B. Connally (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/conn_j.htm)

The bullet that hit jfk in the throat passed right over Connally's left shoulder and face. That is shown clearly by his startle reaction, not to the sound of the shot but the shock of a bullet whizzing past his head. Remember, both men reacted to the the first shot that missed, then the second shot went past Connally, and finally the Governor was hit by his own admission somewhere between 231-234.

A very, very brief span of time could not reasonably be the shot that missed because that would have been at least 3.5 seconds before the shot that hit the Governor. He is, in his own way describing the two shots that hit the President and him, which were separated by as little as a half of one second. That's why Connally was so sure two or more shooters were involved, although he tells us only indirectly why he knew.

Mr. SPECTER. What is the best estimate that you have as to the time span between the sound of the first shot and the feeling of someone hitting you in the back which you just described?

Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.
Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail, and again I did not see the President at any time either after the first, second, or third shots, but I assumed always that it was he who was hit and no one else.
I immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." Nellie, when she pulled me over into her lap----

JFK Assassination Forum Kennedy Assassination JFK Assassination Forum JFK Dealey Plaza Dallas November 22nd 1963 Assassination of JFK (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,7787.0.html)
The Testimony of John B. Connally (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/conn_j.htm)

Connally was shot in the back immediately after jfk was shot from the front. That proves two shooters hit their target in less than one second. How many gunshot victims are asked to determine when they were shot by watching a video of when they were shot? The Governor knew when he was shot, and there is no person or group that can make a logical argument to the contrary. Jfk reacted to being shot no later than 225.

Source: Warren Commission Testimony of Governor John Bowden Connally, Jr. on April 21, 1964 - 4H, 145
Mr. SPECTER. I have just one other question, Governor. With respect to the films and the slides which you have viewed this morning, had you ever seen those pictures before this morning?
Governor CONNALLY. I had seen what purported to be a copy of the film when I was in the hospital in Dallas. I had not seen the slides.
Mr. SPECTER. And when do you think you were hit on those slides, Governor, or in what range of slides?
Governor CONNALLY. We took - you are talking about the number of the slides?
Governor CONNALLY. As we looked at them this morning, and as you related the numbers to me, it appeared to me that I was hit in the range between 130 or 131, I don’t remember precisely, up to 134, in that bracket.
Mr. SPECTER. May I suggest to you that it was 231?
Governor CONNALLY. Well, 231 and 234, then.
Mr. SPECTER. The series under our numbering system starts with a higher number when the car comes around the turn, so when you come out of the sign, which was -
Governor CONNALLY. It was just after we came out of the sign, for whatever that sequence of numbers was, and if it was 200, I correct my testimony. It was 231 to about 234. It was within that range.

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This old copy shows the same recoil/jolt backward but with video fakery. The second gif shows Roy's head functioning as the gun with emitting muzzle blast smoke before it extends in sync with the front right entrance and fake mist. The gun was really at the level of his right shoulder hidden by Kellerman's head. Also, notice the all-important splice in Zapruder after the shot. Greer's extended elbow can be seen forming by the door.LOL


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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:56 AM
Kellerman's open palm is circled. No capture of Greer's supposed left hand looks anything like a real hand, because it was a video effect with no arm attached to it. Frame 304 would have a dark suited arm to the left of the white spot. Nothing is there. The open palm is frame 307.


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How can the "Zfilm" show the president getting shot in the forehead when you claim those frames were "faked"? I ANSWERED THIS SILLY QUESTION AS FOLLOWS:

Because the back of the head blown off in Zapruder is corroborated by 40 eyewitnesses, and the AR. The most logical reason for the red blob addition was to cover up the bullet's entry and provide an exit wound in a logical location to the supposed entrance. We know there wasn't a large wound in the right front because the AR and photos exclude it, and no eyewitness reported anything missing there. The film was altered, but not enough to keep the truth from being realized. FRAME 327 provides a fake loss of skull and brain in the right front.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 02:02 AM

13:10 Then we witnessed an explosion on the other tower. Now we think that there was a plane that actually headed into the second tower at some point and that's what caused that second explosion.

32:53 That's not from the chopper is it?

41:00 Chopper



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPkZN_r0IQE No plane wide shot slow-mo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7F9D4taGeY normal speed image at 0:27


Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and follow-up car suddenly stop. 60 EYEWITNESSES AND BOTH OTHER VIDEOS PROVE THIS SIMPLE FACT. Greer braked the limo for himself, no one else.


1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol];

2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63];

3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" ;

4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129];

5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---"After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 134];

6) Clemon Earl Johnson---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 80];

10) DPD Earle Brown---" The first I noticed the [JFK's] car was when it stopped..after it made the turn and when the shots were fired, it stopped." [6 H 233];

Greer pressed on the brakes in the Muchmore film. The brake light illuminates. 59 EYEWITNESSES ARE CONFIRMED BY 2 VIDEOS showing Greer brake during his second turn to shoot the already wounded President.

The Muchmore film suggests frames were removed from the Zapruder film - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrX8lsb2WTk)

It took almost 47 years to prove Greer was jfk's real assassin. [U]We now know the only one important thing Greer kept secret.

V. Palamara: Notes on Bill Greer (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/palamara/greer.html)

Greer retired in July 1966 after having undergone a stomach operation and Jackie Kennedy sent him a letter thanking him for being with the President until the end.
He said he "saw blood on Connally's shirt" and looked back only "one time", in direct contrast to the Zapruder film. He went on to say that he "didn't really see the President at all".
Said the Zapruder film "was proven legitimate".
Claimed to have not seen anyone on the triple overpass.
Regarding the assassination itself, Greer claimed that "we never stopped...there was no reason to stop...no need to stop." In regard to the direction of the shots, he said that "everyone was hit from the rear...my back was covered with it [debris from head shot]." When told that Connally has always insisted that he was hit with a different bullet than had hit JFK, Greer said "I feel that way, too. They [the Warren Commission] had lawyers working on it...these lawyers had already made up their mind". Greer also believed that the back wound [which he referred to as being in the "back of the shoulder"] did not go through and that that was also the first thought of the autopsy doctors in attendance.
Greer claimed he was "in the OPERATING ROOM at Parkland" [emphasis added] and stated that JFK's clothing "were in my custody from Parkland to Washington."
Greer denied that there was a hole in the limousine's windshield. He said there was only a "star"; a spidering crack.
Greer did not know why the photographers were out of their usual position in front of and close to JFK's limousine that fateful day in Dallas, but did not seem to regard this as suspicious.
Regarding agent Roy Kellerman, Greer said twice that he was "a very fine gentleman." Regarding President Kennedy, Greer said "He and I were pretty close friends. He treated me just wonderful."
Regarding William Manchester and his book "Death of a President", Greer said harshly "He's garbage...didn't like it at all", further commenting on Manchester's criticism concerning his age and reflexes behind the wheel [Greer thought that his experience was an advantage, coming from "years of experience" , and certainly not a disadvantage]. He went on to say that he thought that Jim Bishop's book ("The Day Kennedy Was Shot") was the best book of all regarding the events of November 22, 1963. (However, keep in mind that his comments were made in 1970)
Greer said, somewhat cryptically, "there's alot of things I know that no one else knows." (!)

Finally, Greer said that the Warren Commission closed up shop too soon and that "there might have been a conspiracy in another part of the country." [!!!]

Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and follow-up car suddenly stop.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjtLTkIZTnc chopper footage impact blacked out

5:07 Impact blacked out

8:18 "the second plane hit while they were live on television."

9:09 "We have no tv air, I cannot see pictures on tv. I do not know what we have."

9:56 "How long do you want me to talk. I don't have much information."

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 02:03 AM
Jean Hill saw Greer shoot Kennedy

She was just speculating that Greer was shooting back at whomever was shooting at the President. This was an easy way of saying it without exactly saying it. But in those moments she may have thought it because it would be shocking to see your President killed intentionally by the men who took an oath to protect him from assassination attempts. Mrs. Hill clearly turned to the left as the limo passed by in response to the shots and Greer suddenly braking during his second turn to execute the coup de grâce.

Testimony Of Mrs. Jean Lollis Hill (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm)

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.

Mr. SPECTER - Where was the President's car at the time you thought you heard the fourth shot?
Mrs. HILL - The motorcade came to almost a halt at the time the shots rang out, and I would say it was just approximately, if not---it couldn't have been in the same position, I'm sure it wasn't, but just a very, very short distance from where it had been. It was just almost stunned.
Mr. SPECTER - And how about the time of the fifth shot, where do you think the President's car was?
Mrs. HILL - That was during those shots, I think it wasn't any further than a few feet---further down.
Mr. SPECTER - Which shots, now---you mean the fourth, and perhaps the fifth and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.

Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?

Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."

Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.
Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?
Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?
Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.

Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.

Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?
Mrs. HILL - No.

Jean Hill was looking at the limo when Greer shot Jfk. FRAME 310.


JFK Lancer: Autopsy Photos (http://www.jfklancer.com/photos/autopsy_slideshow/)


“The motionless carOpens a New Window. made Kennedy a stationary target for the assassins.

“At the same time, Greer took his left hand off the steering wheel and pointed it at the president as if he were aiming something at him.

“The Zapruder film shows no gun in Greer’s hand, but witnesses in Dealey Plaza saw the gun in his hand. Witness Hugh Bezner said he ‘observed what appeared to be a nickel-plated revolver in someone’s hand in the president’s car’.”

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 02:05 AM
Dennis was shown a 16 millimeter film of jfk at Bethesda Naval Hospital and witnessed the simple entry wound above the right eye and massive blow-out in the right rear. Bill Pitzer shot the film and was murdered three years later.

Dennis David https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5T7wR2YKkA


"I can assure that it definitely was an entry wound in the forehead."

"It is inconceivable that anyone would conclude that the massive wound in the rear of Jfk's of skull could have occurred from a rear-entry projectile."

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 02:07 AM
Jerrol Custer




https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=789#relPageId=22&tab=page ENTRY WOUND





https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=789#relPageId=30&tab=page C3/C4

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=789#relPageId=33&tab=page right entry

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Enduring controversies - Dr.Aguilar (http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ/enduri~1.htm)

Confusingly, in June, 1967, not long after Humes saw the autopsy photographs for the first time, Dan Rather asked him, "And (where was) the exit wound?" Humes said: "And the exit wound was a large irregular wound to the front and side--right side of the President's head." No witness had ever described it there. To muddy the waters further, in the third of three interviews before the HSCA, Dr. Humes seemed to change his mind on the entrance, claiming the bullet entered high, in parietal bone, rather than low, in occipital bone, as per the autopsy report. Beyond that, in testimony before the Conyers Committee on 11/17/93, Gerald Posner claimed he had interviewed Drs. Humes and Boswell and that "they have confirmed their change of testimony that they gave before the HSCA," and that the entrance wound was "correctly placed 4 inches higher" in parietal bone. (No evidence can be found that Boswell ever admitted to the "high" location, though Humes may have.) So the location of the entrance wound and exit defect may be uncertain despite the autopsy report's statements.

TESTIMONY OF CAPT. JAMES J. HUMES, M.D (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/m_j_russ/hscahume.htm) Change entry location

ARRB DEPOSITION OF DR. PIERRE A. FINCK (http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/fincka.htm) Finck page 41, 67, 91, 121

HSCA Medical Interviews (http://www.whokilledjfk.net/hsca_medical_interviews.htm)

Dr. Humes and Dr. Boswell, two of the three medical doctors who performed the autopsy on the body of President Kennedy, testified together to the HSCA's medical panel. Much of their testimony is taken up with the controversy over the location of the entry wound into the skull. In this interview, both Humes and Boswell remain adamant about a location near the external occiptal protuberance (eop), low in the skull, despite being unable to adequately locate this wound on any of the autopsy photographs. The medical panel seemed equally persistent that the entry wound must be higher, near the cowlick. A year later, Dr. Humes appeared in the HSCA public hearings and publicly disavowed the lower eop location, though his retraction seemed half-hearted. Later in a 1993 article for the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Humes re-affirmed the original location. The other doctors, Boswell and Finck, had never wavered from their original contention.

Entrance and Exit Wounds (http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/entrance-and-exit-wounds.html) entry wound exit

Humes 224-235 X-RAYS


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Does that mean you can prove that a single bullet entered and exited the rear? That's what Clint Hill was saying. The burden of proving such stupidity is on you. He saw the rear blow out.

From 'Mrs Kennedy and Me" by Clint Hill' Rare Zapruder footage: Multiple JFK assassins (http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/rare-zapruder-footage-multiple-jfk-assassins/)

In his memoir, Mrs Kennedy And Me, Mr Hill said of the final shot: 'The impact was like the sound of something hard hitting a melon shattering into cement

"In the same instant, blood, brain matter and bone fragments exploded from the back of the President's head... and splattered all over me - on my face, my clothes, in my hair."

“As I peered into the backseat of the car,” Hill recalled. “I saw the president’s head in [Jackie’s] lap. His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head. I could see inside the back of the president’s head.”

As he moved towards Mrs Kennedy, he watched her reaction: 'Her eyes were filled with terror,' he wrote. 'She was reaching for something. She was reaching for a piece of the President's head.'

Humes 224-235 X-RAYS


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Does that mean you can prove that a single bullet entered and exited the rear? That's what Clint Hill was saying. The burden of proving such stupidity is on you. He saw the rear blow out.

From 'Mrs Kennedy and Me" by Clint Hill' Rare Zapruder footage: Multiple JFK assassins (http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/rare-zapruder-footage-multiple-jfk-assassins/)

In his memoir, Mrs Kennedy And Me, Mr Hill said of the final shot: 'The impact was like the sound of something hard hitting a melon shattering into cement

"In the same instant, blood, brain matter and bone fragments exploded from the back of the President's head... and splattered all over me - on my face, my clothes, in my hair."

“As I peered into the backseat of the car,” Hill recalled. “I saw the president’s head in [Jackie’s] lap. His eyes were fixed, and I could see inside the back of his head. I could see inside the back of the president’s head.”

As he moved towards Mrs Kennedy, he watched her reaction: 'Her eyes were filled with terror,' he wrote. 'She was reaching for something. She was reaching for a piece of the President's head.'

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:22 PM

After that I ran up to the roof on the third floor with me and Eric Bernsten. We were watching it. We could see it from here. We have an unobstructed view. The other guys came up too. All six of us were on the roof...

Then we saw the second one come up. It looked like it was coming up the East River from here. I guess it was coming from the south. I thought it banked over the East River, which is what it looked like. I thought it made a left over the East River and went right into it going from east to west. But as it turns out, it came from the south. Then we saw it just go right into the building and explode.
I remember talking to Eric. I remember Eric saying something, "Oh, my God, there's another plane." I was saying to him, "That plane is closer to us. It's really not a big plane going towards the building." Two seconds later it rammed into the building. You don't expect it. We just freaked.

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11 (http://www.septemberclues.info/faq_4.shtml)

9/11 NY Aircraft 'Witnesses' (http://911closeup.com/nico/witness_contradictions.html)

CNN.com - Transcripts (http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html)

CNN.com - Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/15/smn.12.html)

United Airlines Flight 175 Crash Evidence - 911myths (http://www.911myths.com/index.php/United_Airlines_Flight_175_Crash_Evidence)

Peter Collins

Another co-worker, Peter Collins, a vice-president at Rowland Communications, saw the second plane strike the second tower.

"As we're watching the building on fire, I saw this plane sweep over the bay and I knew it was from Newark," Collins said. "It kept climbing, and all of a sudden it just went into the building. There was a spectacular fire and then a few seconds later you heard a pop. It went directly towards it, never deviated."

He said the scene was surreal.
"You're so used to terrorism happening all around you and you become numb to it," Collins said. "You see the spectacular happening right in front of you and you're just like 'whoa.' "

Ingrid Ernst

Ingrid Ernst, a flight attendant on Lufthansa Airlines, was looking out her hotel window across the Hudson River from New York City on Tuesday morning when she saw a jumbo jet penetrate the second World Trade Center building.

``It was going as fast as a regular plane. I didn't realize what was happening, Ernst, 23, of Hamburg, Germany, told the Daily News by phone from the Sheraton Hotel in Weehawken, New Jersey.

Ernst was relaxing by her window, planning her vacation in Los Angeles today, when she saw one of the hijacked passenger planes crash into the middle-to-upper floors of one of America's tallest landmarks.

``You saw the plane disappear, then fire on the other side, she said of the jet, which appeared small from her vantage across the river. ``It was like you are in a movie - it takes you awhile to realize what's happening. You're just shocked, you can't think anything at the moment.

Daily News, September 12 2001

Evan Fairbanks

(VO) In a day filled with images we may never forget, this one stands out. The extraordinary footage of an American Airlines jet slicing through the number two tower of the World Trade Center. That image was captured by 40-year-old freelance cameraman Evan Fairbanks who had been working two blocks away.

Mr. EVAN FAIRBANKS: I suddenly saw a white flash from the left side of the frame, and I--and it lasted long enough for me to be able to identify it as a--as a jet.

CHUNG: When you saw that plane hitting the Trade Center tower, could you actually fathom what you were viewing?

Mr. FAIRBANKS: Not at all. It

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:24 PM
EMT Mercedes Rivera

"As I passed by St. Vincent's Hospital below 14th Street, Paul said, 'Wow. Look at that plane. It's pretty close.' I said, 'Jeez, you're right. Look at the size of that plane.' We watched that plane get closer; it flew over us, it went over the Hudson River, then we saw it make a tilt and go right into the South Tower. It was like science fiction.

Then we saw the explosion...
Women at Ground Zero, Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba

Tom Weber

So I'm sitting there, on the 39th floor, and we're used to plane traffic, the sounds of planes are very familiar, but I heard a much louder sound, a sound closer in proximity than I've ever heard before which caused me to look up in the direction of that sound. I saw a commercial airliner which appeared to be banking to the east just go what appeared to be right through the WTC causing an explosion on one end and an explosion on the other end...

...came back to the window and I saw the second plane, and I never gave the second plane any credibility because there couldn't be another plane flying into the World Trade Center because that's impossible, almost impossible as the first one. And it was flying south. It wasn't as direct a hit as the first plane was. It kind of hit like the edge of the building, but the explosion was way worse than the first one. The first explosion wasn't...as a matther of fact, the first plane didn't have as big an explosion as the second. The second hit and our building shook.


Upon that time I heard a plane roar. I had my window down and on my side we saw a plane flying very low come right across us and with a loud, you know, the engines revved up, and I had mentioned to him, I had no idea that it was heading towards that way, and I just said like where is this guy going, you know, he was extremely low, not realizing it was another plane heading towards the World Trade, and we saw it struck the building, we saw a big mushroom of flame, of fire coming up, and it was like disbelief, and he had gotten on the radio and notified the dispatcher another plane had struck the World Trade Center.

Unnamed (Russian Pilot?)

As I'm flying closer, almost opposite the WTC, right next to the Harborside Center in Jersey City, I see this airliner coming down in a steep bank, my first thought was, WTF is this guy doing!??? Why is he diving so steep to take a look at the fire! And it's an airliner! (looked like a 737 to me at the time). I muttered something along the lines "Jeez, this guy is gonna get so fired by his airline, it's not even funny!" The next moment.... it hits the building.... I felt like I was inside a cartoon or a movie, maybe that "Independence Day" flick, at the moment I thought I was seeing things, like this can't be, this isn't real... But I had my camera in hand and snapped virtually a split second later after the impact, I was simply too awestruck when I saw the plane, so it didn't click in me to actually shoot the thing (but if I had a Stinger SAM with me, damn, I wish I did and I would).

Keith Schwer

Exiting the hotel within minutes, Schwer emerged to the heart of a chaotic scene—and thankfully was not struck or injured by falling debris. But once he saw the tail of the plane jutting out from the burning building, he realized this was not an explosion or an earthquake; it was an attack—and one that wasn’t over yet.
"We walked toward the Hudson River, so I saw the second plane coming down the river. It was so strange—I saw the plane bank, then I heard it coming and I saw that it was headed for the South Tower. I saw it go into the building."

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:30 PM
Debunking the 9/11 No-Planes Theory: First-Responder Eyewitnesses to the Planes that Hit the WTC on 9/11 (http://debunkingnoplanes.blogspot.com/2014/02/first-responder-eye-witnesses-of-planes.html)


"Anyway, it's then that I was looking at the north tower that I saw what I thought looked like a seagull in the distance almost and it went into the south tower and the south tower exploded in a huge fire ball."


"There was a second plane circling the building and I kept saying why is he so near the building? Within minutes, before even talking about it, he just like slammed into the second building."


"...I watched eventually the second plane, I saw it. It looked like it was circling around south, then came back north, striking the south side of Tower No. 2."


I remember the lieutenant turned to Scott and I and said, "You know, this could be a terrorist thing. Maybe it was a bomb or something." I can't remember his exact words. Shortly thereafter Scott said, "What's wrong with the flight patterns around here?" I said, "What are you talking about?" And the south tower blew up. Scott said, "That was a plane. "I said, "Scott, it was not a plane. It was probably another bomb." He said, "No, I saw it. It was a plane


"The next thing I heard was a loud like an engine roar. I looked up, and the next thing I knew I just saw -- I don't know if it was the tail end of the plane or what, but I saw something. When I looked up, I heard "boom." I'm sorry, the north tower was the first one. The south tower then got hit when we were right there."

[/B] He was right there near the towers. I just found this today. He followed the object to the end, which was the explosion. The distance remark is an excuse that's entirely false and cannot be duplicated.


"Anyway, it's then that I was looking at the north tower that I saw what I thought looked like a seagull in the distance almost and it went into the south tower and the south tower exploded in a huge fire ball."

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:32 PM
"I'm not sure if it was a plane". He only left out the word plane. He caught himself and stopped short. That is proof because the Naudet footage did not capture a plane.

What about Todd Harris, who said it was moving slowly? That is impossible for your theory, but that description is corroborated by the Naucrap video.

Stewart, said he saw something bump into tower 1 before it exploded. That certainly wasn't a plane, because a plane would crash into it, not bump.

With the clear and overwhelming evidence of drones, it was inevitable that a few eyewitnesses would corroborate the video footage of drones for both towers. He says, "I'm not sure, if it was a ????? (plane). Of course it wasn't a plane, and he gave the truth some of the best early testimony that no planes of any kind were seen for either tower because neither had wings. His subconscious gave every word, but 'plane', leaving no doubt that his conscious state prevented that last word. But, we already know those frenchies did not film a plane or really any identifiable object which verifies Stewart's account.

Bryant Gumbel: It's 8:52 here in New York, I'm Bryant Gumbel. We understand that there has been a plane crash on the southern tip of Manhattan. You're looking at the WTC. We understand that a plane has crashed into the WTC. We don't know anything more than that. We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. We don't know if it was a private aircraft. We have no idea how many were on board, or what the extent of the injuries are right now. We are, uh, we have, I understand, an eyewitness on the phone right now. Sir...

[cuts to commercial briefly]

BG: ...your name?

Stewart: Yeah, my name is Stewart.

BG: Sir, where are you right now?

S: I'm working at a restaurant in Soho. (northeast of the towers)

BG: Alright, so tell us what you saw if you would?

S: I literally, I was waiting a table and I literally saw a -- it seemed to be like the small plane. I just heard a couple of noises. It looked like it bounced off the building and then I heard, uh, I saw a huge like ball of fire on top and then the smoke seemed to simmer down and it just stunned -- you know a lot of smoke was coming out and that's pretty much the extent of what I saw.

BG: A private aircraft?

S: I'm not sure, if it was a -- it just seemed like a smaller plane. I don't think it was anything commercial.

BG: Did you, could you tell us whether or not it was a prop, or a jet .

S: I honestly don't know. It happened too quickly

WTC MISSILE STRIKE ON 911: EYE WITNESS SAW "A SMALL PLANE" TWIN TOWERS COLLAPSE - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SXIxbhgUDw)

CNN.com - Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html)

Now we want to bring in Todd Harris (ph). Todd on the scene, saw what happened.

Todd, corroborates the Naudet footage, which captured a slow moving blob.

Todd are you with us?

TODD HARRIS: Yes, I had a perfect view, and the plane was coming in. I noticed it a second before it hit the building. It looked like it was moving slowly, and it lined itself up to hit the building directly.

KAGAN: Are you talking about the first plane or the second plane?

HARRIS: The first plane.

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:35 PM
Flight 175 did not come over the bridge.. Here are some names used by some eyewitnesses, news anchors, and very few honest observers of several live broadcasts: Ball, orb, seagull, helicopter, drone, military plane, and United. Flight 175 would've passed north of and close to the Statue of Liberty located at the top left of the image. The Verrazano bridge approach was an entirely separate event that stands alone.

The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14754701/page/3/#.VP3S75U5AuT)

Varcadapane: He says to me, “As a matter of fact, do you see that target coming over the Verrazano Bridge.” I went over to the radar and looked at the radar. The Verrazano Bridge is depicted on the radar. And I looked over there and I saw the aircraft descending out of 4700 feet, 3600 feet, 2700 feet."

Greg Callahan: And I could hear him calling on altitudes. “I have a target in sight, he’s descending rapidly.” And he said—“Look out to the southeast,” and the gentleman working ground control said, “Hey, who’s that by the Verrazano Bridge?” "And here comes a very large target descending rapidly, very fast." The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14754701/page/3/#.UwTej-ko6po)

Tepper: He was in a hard right bank, diving very steeply and very fast. And as was in he was coming up the Hudson River, he made another hard left turn and just heading for downtown Manhattan.


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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:49 PM
Chopper after T2 explosion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu_qct5gp-M


Here's a reporter who literally moves away from the camera and continues talking. That's a physical reaction difficult to explain.



Note the ball at the top right at 2:13. Where did April Amonica say there was a plane after she said..."WOW,...(long pause) I GUESS THAT'S IN THE OTHER BUILDING.":roflol: "WOW,...(long pause) That, that, that apparently does look like it is in the other building at this point."

So, what was that about you knowing what you're talking about, Crazy Guy?

She saw the ball, but didn't comment on it because she didn't know what it was. That's logical and consistent with what any honest human would think. She was also careful not to acknowledge the ball and talk out loud about it like Clifton Cloud did so beautifully.


It's the last post in the letsroll thread. I didn't even have to say it and never thought it was important because the object was obviously not a plane.

Roger, if you look at the clip you linked to above (orb), you can actually see on the outer sides of the object, near the bottom of the descent, what looks like something rotating. So this could explain the woman stating a 'helicopter'. The wings do not look stationary.


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29:33 "That's not from the chopper is it?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLVhroSA64Y

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 01:55 PM
The fake image passes east of the north tower just before tower 2 explodes. This is 100% inconsistent with every other final approach, official or fake. The official flight path has it correct for a real plane, which does NOT pass east of T1, only 1-2 seconds before explosion, because it's over the bay where had to be for a real plane crash. The shadow movement between the towers can only occur if it makes an impossible last second turn, which the real object apparently did. At least the last 5-7 seconds of fake 175 is entirely behind the towers, therefore making it impossible to create the shadow movement between the towers that really occurred.

911 Commission Hearing Flight paths into WTC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJX2fStDMo4)

Bob Varcadapane was the supervisor in Newark tower that morning, in charge of eight controllers.

At Newark tower, Bob Varcadapane is still on the phone with a controller at the New York center, and learns that a second plane has been hijacked and is almost on top of Manhattan.

Varcadapane: He says to me, As a matter of fact, do you see that target coming over the Verrazano Bridge. "I went over to the radar and looked at the radar. The Verrazano Bridge is depicted on the radar. And I looked over there and I saw the aircraft descending out of 4700 feet, 3600 feet, 2700 feet."

The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14754701/page/3/#.VPiS4pU5DX7)


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The fake plane image must pass east of the north tower below the bbc watermark. It does not, therefore it's different from all the fake plane images coming from the west and the ball footage. The bottom image would have passed east, the above image would not have.

The fake image passes east of the north tower, and below the height of the towers. The divebomb fake never passes below them. That fact proves they are different.


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 02:00 PM
The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14754701/page/3/#.VPiS4pU5DX7)

Descending rapidly, headed in the direction of New York.

At the New York en route center in Islip, Long Island, Dave Bottiglia, Curt Applegate, and Mark Dipalmo are working a routine shift, no idea what is about to come their way.

8:41 a.m.
United Flight 175 enters Dave Bottiglia’s airspace and makes contact.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOaCTWx2VKM nose out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GFnEFBZhGM 4

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 03:39 PM

"Ya, the second one I'm tellin' ya..was...I didn't see a plane...I was watching it...I didn't see a plane."

He didn't see a plane because there was no plane to see. There was only a foreign object that moved behind the towers that he assumed must be a chopper because what else could it be?

"All I saw was a helicopter and I didn't see the helicopter anymore. It just looked like it exploded from the inside."


You'll be blown away by how many times he says, "I didn't see a plane". Over and over again. I listened up until at least parts 10-12. Clifton Cloud rejects the plane myth three times in seconds with the word NO.

"I just caught the second explosion on videotape...No, a bomb, I saw it, NO PLANE HIT NOTHIN', the building exploded from the other tower floors down. No, this is a horrific site."

2:37 "At first there was a report of a plane but I just, glass is flying..." He was responding to his friend's insistence that a plane hit the building.

At 2:15 he is emphatic about no plane, just an explosion. At 1:59 he tells his co-worker, "the second tower just exploded".

3:04: "I actually captured the second explosion. It's horrific, it is unbelievable."


He was on a roof, east and slightly north of the towers. He saw a white flash and explosion and failed to mention seeing something on tv, but stuck to not seeing anything.

Clifton Cloud: "I was probably about a mile away and um, I didn't, didn't realize that the second explosion was going on...it was just just a quick sharp blast of white light, orange and then the sound, the shockwave hit a few minutes later."

Lauer: "And it was while you were shooting that, that the second plane came into view, and as you said, you really didn't even realize what you had captured. What was your response when you went back and looked carefully at the tape?

Cloud: "I thought about um, where the plane had hit in the sixties floor where one of my companies largest client's is."

2nd plane & 1st "collapse" Clifton Cloud 9/12 11:50 am - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09R95S3Jck)

"I just caught the second explosion on videotape...No, a bomb, I saw it, NO PLANE HIT NOTHIN', the building exploded from the other tower floors down."

"Ya, but I don't think it was a plane." This was in response to someone on the roof, regarding the second tower, the one he witnessed.

"No, because it happened like 20 minutes later." He's telling them that the second tower exploded 20 minutes after the first tower.

"I think it was a bomb on the second building." He couldn't be more clear.

"I think they had that bomb in there" (THE SECOND TOWER, the one he witnessed and recorded) and they were like alright let's maximize it. Hit it with a plane, and then hit the bomb." He's saying that he thinks they thought to hit the first tower with a plane and bombed the second one. At no time does he describe seeing a plane, that's a fact.

"Ya, the second one I'm tellin' ya..was...I didn't see a plane...I was watching it...I didn't see a plane." He didn't see a plane because he was watching it. Just imagine trying to refute this evidence. It's unassailable.

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 03:41 PM

"Dude, I saw the second explosion, there was no plane that hit that second building, it exploded from the inside out."

"You said the second one was just an explosion?"

"I didn't see a plane. I was here watching it. I couldn't believe it. It exploded, it was like a flash of white light and everything just blew out."

Cloud saw an object that he called a chopper. He was confused about it because it wasn't really a chopper. Listen to it. It's well worth it. HE'S THE BEST WITNESS BY FAR.


"Ya, but I don't think it was a plane. No, because it happened like 20 minutes later. I think it was a bomb on the second building. I think they had that bomb in there and they were like alright let's maximize it. Hit it with a plane, and then hit the bomb." THE PLANE REFERENCE IS FOR T1. He did not witness that explosion.

"It was like, I saw it in slow-motion. It like erupted. The whole like side bank, just like a slow-motion movie thing. Just like boom, just out. And there was like a white flash. And I thought it shut my camera off to be honest with you."

"There was a police copter like near it...I swear, I don't know what happen to him, but. But when the second one exploded there was a helicopter not too far away."


"Ya, I tell you man, I saw it in slow motion, that second building just went boom, just exploded from the inside out, just like a movie, like a cheap movie which was really weird...it was like a 1970's Charleton Heston movie."

"It was unbelievable, I mean it exploded from the inside, that second one."

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 03:59 PM
There was one eyewitness who confirmed it was the size of a golfball. It wasn't just a coincidence that the media filmed what Patricia saw while standing beneath the towers.

Patricia Ondrovic saw the ball, no doubt, and her seeing the half burnt cars proves how close she was to the towers, if not in them at some point.

As this terrified woman was running pell-mell away from the first collapsing tower — her hair, coat and feet on fire — Ms Ondrovic witnessed vehicles parked along the street spontaneously erupt into flames.

She even witnessed an aircraft disappear while in flight: “I saw something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or something, then it wasn’t there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just kept on running north.” And she’s got a lot more to say. - See more at:

Witnesses Saw People ?Vaporized? on 9/11 « Just Wondering ? Alternative News and Opinions (http://www.zengardner.com/witnesses-saw-people-vaporized-on-911/)

"I believe that could be a police helicopter"



frisco kid
08-09-2015, 04:22 PM
THIS WAS THE REAL OBJECT FILMED BY 4 TV STATIONS. CBS ON TOP, aired around 9:05 on the national broadcast. The first was the divebomber, from behind the towers.



I was able capture the ball as it peeked out and then a quick edit occurs to well after the explosion. These guys did not see a plane and were confused as to how the south tower exploded. They may have made mention of the object and that audio would've been edited out too. There are countless videos with the impact edited out because they weren't going to insert fake plane images in all of them. You can see him pan to the right when the ball caught his eye.

CW1 "Oh my God!" How did that one just catch on fire man? See, look at all the stuff flying off there."

CW2 "That's a ****in' terrorist attack. How could it be anything else? Why would that just explode? That doesn't make any sense, it has to be ???"


2nd hit missed Campl@net NE apartment (w/ bird) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHaVijMv5t8)
2nd hit missed Campl@net NE apartment (w/ bird) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHaVijMv5t8)



frisco kid
08-09-2015, 04:44 PM

0:32 Clifton Cloud "I didn't see any plane, I saw it happen."

0:42 Clifton Cloud "I didn't see a second plane."

You're just not a serious person and lack the ambition to prove that your beliefs are worthy of debate. You haven't offered a shred of evidence. Do you think it's possible for a normal person to mistake a large plane for a chopper from 1 mile away?

Clifton Cloud: "I was probably about a mile away and um, I didn't, didn't realize that the second explosion was going on...it was just just a quick sharp blast of white light, orange and then the sound, the shockwave hit a few minutes later."

Lauer: "And it was while you were shooting that, that the second plane came into view, and as you said, you really didn't even realize what you had captured. What was your response when you went back and looked carefully at the tape?

Cloud: "I thought about um, where the plane had hit in the sixties floor where one of my companies largest client's is."

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2nd plane & 1st "collapse" Clifton Cloud 9/12 11:50 am - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X09R95S3Jck)



frisco kid
08-09-2015, 04:52 PM


Advance to 5:33. This is the best evidence of idiotic CGI I found. The same sequence is re-run about five minutes later. I believe WPIX is the parent company.


Maybe a different video caused Cairo protests.

Al Qaeda-linked jihadists helped incite 9/11 Cairo protest | The Long War Journal (http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/10/al_qaeda-linked_jiha.php)

Middle East protests: meet the hardline 'tele-Islamist' who brought anti-Islam film to Muslim world's attention - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/9545515/Middle-East-protests-meet-the-hardline-tele-Islamist-who-brought-anti-Islam-film-to-Muslim-worlds-attention.html)

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 04:56 PM
This comp was done a few years ago by a guy named Equinox. What he failed to point out was the barge, (left of tower 2) which is 150-200 feet long. The towers were 208 ft wide and a boeing 767-222 is around 168 ft. The plane would have to scale to around 80% of the towers. It is literally a dot compared to the towers and other objects near them. This is full proof of what so many people saw and described, whether they laughed at it, said it was a much smaller plane or mistook it for a chopper. The object was considerably smaller than a Police Helicopter.

Barge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barge)

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This was recorded by a CBS NY affiliate. This orb is even more clear than Chopper 4's ball. No wings, just nothing but a slow moving ball that rises in altitude.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 05:00 PM
The object was moving at a snails pace compared to a real plane. The object disappears behind the north tower at 2:21 and four seconds later (2:25) fire starts in the front of T2. It took four long seconds to circle around between the rear of the towers. Let me spell this out for you in clear English: It travelled 208 ft across the rear of T1, then the distance between the towers, around 100 feet. It then turned right along the west side of T2, and finally left across the rear of it. That's at least 600 feet in four seconds. 150 ft. per second is around 100 mph. Its laughable speed and movement bear no resemblance to a chopper or plane. You can't change facts and real aircraft comparisons such as these. The object was not a plane, never will be, and you full well know it, by now at least.


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Even if I gave you 200 ft per second, you are stuck with the object moving at a mere 140 mph. The vertical black line appears between the towers when the ball passes east of the north tower. No plane could be between the towers and still make it to the rear of T2. The ball disappears at 2:21 and by 2:23 the black line begins.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 05:06 PM
The plane images are ridiculous fakes. Much of the footage was from the news, therefore the low quality excuse can't be explained without admitting the footage was purposely degraded. The amateur and broadcast footage all looks the same because it was all manufactured by the same sources that produced the forged content.


There are likely hundreds of fakes to post. They are all fakes. You could have a million fakes and they'd all still be fakes. Absurd is a great word to describe the FAKES FROM 911.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 05:16 PM

Gammy made an attempt a few years ago by demonstrating how a fake plane image could align with a real one. This was done by using a real plane (notice that AIR CANADA is backward) after reversing it. He simply reduced the fake image to make it unclear that it was NOT TURNED toward the camera the same way air canada was. This simple deception was exposed by using an enlarged pic of fake 175 compared to a real boeing at or nearly the same angle. It's very important to understand that he didn't alter any evidence back then, just used an easily detectable attempt to make the angle the same. THE FAKE IMAGE IS CREDITED TO ROBERT CLARK. If there is a difference in angle, the fake image is pointed more away from the camera which would make the right wing appear further from the tail section, but it overlaps it and is angled impossibly upward.

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Note, the fake left engine is too rear of the right compared to the real boeing. It's not aligned properly, and yes they were retarded in all this.


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These two are at the same angle and they aren't same. The black fake has no windows or markings. Every single part on the fake image is positioned different than the real plane. That's only possible if one is fake.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 05:18 PM
I can fully accept that William did not take a picture of a plane because of his slip up that he didn't see one, even though he supposedly captured it right before it impacted the South Tower. All these people were forced into a life time of lunacy after getting back these obvious fakes added to their pics. No one took a picture or shot video of a plane crashing into either tower on 911, and this tidbit of proof fits perfectly with all the evidence that points to no boeings being present near the towers before they exploded. Just imagine how completely stupid you'd sound trying to explain how a man took a picture of something he didn't see, even though he pressed the button to capture it. Nobody saw any planes, meaning that many lied and pretended to see one or more.

William D. Nuñez — amateur photographer 9/11 Airplane Photo Gallery - 9-11-2001 - 2nd World Trade Center Attack (http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html#William_D_Nunez)

Bond analyst Will Nuñez had gone to his corner newsstand and bought a $14.99 disposable Kodak, hoping to record the smoking tower out his office window "for history's sake," he says. "I remembered an incident back in the thirties when a plane had hit the Empire State Building, and I was always impressed by photos in encyclopedias." Instead, from his perch on the thirty-second floor of One State Street Plaza, he captured the plane's breathtaking blur out his office window, quite unintentionally. In his shot, a colleague, standing before a vast picture window, looks on in silhouette, next to an innocuous baseball trophy, its tiny batter poised on a two-handled loving cup. The plane had streaked by with such speed, Nuñez had not even realized he had caught it on film until he finally got around to developing the roll a week or two later.

- David Friend, Watching the World Change: The Stories Behind the Images of 9/11, Farrar, Straus and Giroux, New York, p. 13.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 05:27 PM
"And then heard this noise that seemed to come from everywhere but didn't...had no idea what it was and then the south tower just exploded, it just it just, it just blew up. And somebody said that was a plane and I was like, "I was underneath it, I was looking at the tower, I had my camera in my hand, I heard the noise, I never saw the airplane."

David, did not hear or see an approaching plane and did not photograph one. He would have heard the roaring engines coming in at over 500 mph. NO AIRLINER HIT THE SOUTH TOWER.


911stealth David Handschuh Propelled in Air a Block by Explosion & Saw No Plane - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHrbQ0u3xzk)

These pics are 11-14 seconds before a decent sized fireball and show the circular bomb well west of the dive bomber myth. This proves two different flight paths beyond any doubt .


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 05:33 PM
There cannot be any evidence whatsoever that refutes flight 175 and all of it does, absolutely. There is an acceptance that planes were there, but no real proof that they were really there.

It clearly had no wings. Her describing it as a chopper authenticates this footage.

"I believe that could be a police helicopter".


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As this terrified woman was running pell-mell away from the first collapsing tower — her hair, coat and feet on fire — Ms Ondrovic witnessed vehicles parked along the street spontaneously erupt into flames.

She even witnessed an aircraft disappear while in flight: “I saw something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or something, then it wasn’t there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just kept on running north.” And she’s got a lot more to say. - See more at:



KT: After the attacks when things were starting to settle down for you and after the government and media was telling us what had all happened, did you ever look back and think what were all those explosions from the WTC 5 and 6 you witnessed were all about and why there was never any official mention of them?

PO: No, I didn't watch the news. I was a bit shell shocked to say the least. In fact the very first time I have revisited that day was when I found your site.


KT: You mentioned you left the WTC area before the North Tower collapsed. When did you hear about the WTC 7 collapsing, in which you were parked across the street from on 9/11?

PO: When I stumbled onto your site 3 weeks ago.

Witnesses Saw People ?Vaporized? on 9/11 « Just Wondering ? Alternative News and Opinions (http://www.zengardner.com/witnesses-saw-people-vaporized-on-911/)


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 06:03 PM
Four flying balls were captured on film and survived without alteration. The only inconsistency is chopper 4 disappears behind the top of tower 1, while the other three are lower but at the same level. Here they are in this order; NY1, WB11, CBS, and Chopper 4, aka WNBC. Only the CBS ball did not air live. The Today Show aired it but changed camera angles before the explosion. Chopper 4 is the only footage that looks untampered with. The others look like degraded cartoons.

THE BALL NEVER TURNED LEFT/NORTH AT ALL. It would have either impacted the west side of #2 or flew east of towers. It made two turns along tower 2, the west side, and finally across the rear/south side.

The final 14 seconds of approach by the 911 commission was south to north, not west to east.

911 Commission Hearing Flight paths into WTC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJX2fStDMo4)


Nothing has changed one bit about chopper 4 filming an object that was neither a plane or helicopter.

Minute 2:12, a small object enters the frame from the upper right corner --
Rapid Direct Decent, No Banked Turn

This clip of raw, uncut footage was obtained through
the Freedom of Information Act by the National
Institute of Standards and Technology.

The running time is 3:15. At minute 2:12, a small
object enters the frame from the upper right corner.
It moves in a straight line, swiftly moving from a
higher altitude to a lower altitude, coming from a
southwesterly direction (around Elizabeth, NJ).

The object makes no "banked turn," as famously
recorded by so many other cameras - nor has it any
visible wings, for that matter.

Then, it plows straight into the south side of
the South Tower, with explosions emanating from the
north side, in the vicinity of the 60th floors.


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 06:45 PM
The visual of the ball is one thing, sure, but what's even more irrefutable is the object passing east of T1 less than 2 seconds before the explosion and the media acknowledging that fact, but still pretending it was a plane. That is the simple and factual stupidity they'd be covered in. The vertical black line is the ball moving between the towers. It is seen quick at top right of T1.

Three ways to deal with this object: Ignore it, accept it was real and not a plane, or say it was faked.

8:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1D6HHL94E

"There you see the plane...between the two buildings...and then you see the explosion...right there, unbelievable."


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Of course people like you have to admit certain evidence doesn't matter. That's one of the greater points of my work. A real plane could never be where the ball was a mere five seconds before the south tower exploded. The ball is right of T1. The red dot shows fake 175 four seconds before explosion. They cannot be the same.

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 06:50 PM
The fake image faces north headed straight for the southwest corner of T1, turns right/east, moving across the entire width of the tower 1, then must turn right, facing south because it didn't impact the west side of T2. It would then have to do a 180 degree u-turn facing, finally, north again, then it does its weird bee-bop across the rear of T2. The nose would have been facing north, east, south, before making an impossible u-turn, now facing north again before its final bee-bop. All that craziness with around 500 feet to create this fiction.

That's two right turns, an impossible u-turn, and the goofy movement across the rear of the south tower. Of course the film was altered, and the only question is who mimiced the drone circling the buildings with this laughable cgi. It's most logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement.


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#43 911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Plane Crash Videos (http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit.html)

Slow Motion/Close-Up View Of 2nd Plane Impact - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG25MRnPy1o)

This view from the south matches the ball's magical movement behind the towers, except it would've been coming from the west or left of them from this angle. Only a small drone could've made these wacko turns. Manos, personally released this to the internet, not the government.

The fake image faces north headed straight for the southwest corner of T1, then turns right/east moving across the entire width of the tower 1. It must then turn right again to face south because it didn't impact the west side of T2. It lastly turned left (east) across the rear of T2.

The nose would have been facing north, east, then south, and finally east again to reach the southeast corner of T2. All that kookiness with only 500 feet to cover.

That's two right turns, a left turn, and the goofy bee-bop across the rear of the south tower. Of course the video was altered, and the only question is who mimiced the drone circling the buildings with this laughable cgi. It's logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement and got back this stupidity.


#43 911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Plane Crash Videos (http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit.html)

Slow Motion/Close-Up View Of 2nd Plane Impact - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG25MRnPy1o)

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 06:53 PM
The ball is not visible to my eye. An incoming plane would have been seen and heard.

3:08 Projectile after explosion.

4:55: "Ya, it was an explosion. A piece of the plane must have fallen off."



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Nothing was witnessed in this video either. The male witness says something to similar to the above video. There's a convienent edit before the explosion.

4:56 "It got hit by the wing...the plane probably broke apart and went into the..."


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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 06:57 PM
CNN.com - Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html)

Mark, cryptically chuckles at the end of his description, further proving that he didn't see flight 175, and falling short of confirming that it really wasn't a plane. It's no different than Jean Hill saying she saw the secret service shooting back, but falling short of fingering the driver. Of course it didn't belong in the area because it wasn't really a plane at all.

Eyewitness on 9/11 Mark Burnback was able to get a good view of the plane that hit the World Trade Center, because he said that the plane was flying very low. He explained to FOX News that the plane had no windows, a blue logo, and did not look like a commercial plane.

Fox NewsCaster: "Mark Burnback, a Fox employee, is on the phone with us. Mark witnessed this... Mark were you close enough to see any markings on the airplane?"

Mark Burnback: "Hi gentlemen. Yeah there was definitely a blue, circular logo on the front of the plane towards the front. It definitely did not look like a commercial plane. I did not see any windows on the side. It was definitely very low...

"Mark, if what you say is true, those could be cargo planes or something like that. You said you did not see any windows on the side?"

Mark Burnback: "I did not see any windows on the side. I saw the plane was flying low. I was probably a block away from the sub-way in Brooklyn and that plane came down very low, and again it was not a normal flight that I have ever seen at an airport. It was a plane with a blue logo on the front and it just looked like it did not belong in this area."

Eyewitness Describes First Plane: No Windows, Blue Logo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYUs9u1YwV0)

Let's go back a little in that video and see what the REAL context of that quote was and who actually asked the question shall we?

The guy who asked the question was NOT in the Newark control tower, but in New York and on the phone with Bob in Newark. Bob, walked over to the radar and saw the object over the Verrazano bridge for himself. Check out this killer stock vid of the Big V.

Bob Varcadapane was the supervisor in Newark tower that morning, in charge of eight controllers.

At Newark tower, Bob Varcadapane is still on the phone with a controller at the New York center, and learns that a second plane has been hijacked and is almost on top of Manhattan.

Varcadapane: He says to me, As a matter of fact, do you see that target coming over the Verrazano Bridge. "I went over to the radar and looked at the radar. The Verrazano Bridge is depicted on the radar. And I looked over there and I saw the aircraft descending out of 4700 feet, 3600 feet, 2700 feet."

The skies over America - Dateline NBC | NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14754701/page/3/#.VPiS4pU5DX7)


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mcCBLU3tY watch video from 20:00

The 911 commission disagrees with you and offers proof that chopper 4 did not capture flight 175. You must prove that all footage lines up together as only one thing being near the towers. You cannot do this because the ball was at the southwest corner of T1 five seconds before T2 exploded in the front. They cannot be reconciled as being one. It is impossible.

The fake plane nonsense has it behind/south of T2 where it had to be, of course. These simple facts debunk your beliefs and guarantee they cannot be proven in reality.

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And he doesn't quite get geometry or direction either.

Trust me, nothing could be a bigger waste of time than indulging this fantasy. You can not reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

It has nothing to do with geometry or perspective. It has to do with where the ball was only seconds before the south tower exploded and then trying to match up the other angles to that. I used the divebomber clip because that's what the government used.

The media acknowledged that the ball went between towers and its shadow is proof that it did just that. The divebomber failed to travel between the towers, which proves that the official flight path is different than the real one captured live on NBC.

The vertical black line appears between the towers when the ball passes east of the north tower. No plane could be between the towers and still make it to the rear of T2. The ball disappears at 2:21 and by 2:23 the black line begins. The fireball begins at 2:25.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:19 PM
You exposed nothing! Here's another exercise for you. Download Sketchup and install it. Then get any plane model and rotate it around. You can get the same view you show. Your incoherent ramblings mean absolutely nothing.

It has nothing to do with any plane models. You need a real plane at the same angle to match your fake image. You don't have a real image that can do that. You proved that clearly by altering an image that was at a different angle and then claimed it was at the same angle. That's called lying, you pinhead.

Your problem is you have a hard time understanding scale and viewpoints when discussing photos. That translates into misinterpreting what they show as has been pointed out here. Anyone can get a 3D model and produce the same image view you claim is fake.

Your main problem is wanting to believe something you know is false. It was scaled years ago by an honest person who actually did something of worth. That work proved your fake image can never be authenticated. Any pinhead can take an image and distort it all to hell and pretend it's something it's not. That's all you did. Your claims are not only sad, but stupid and crazy.


Jennifer Spell, in her own words: "Just about five minutes after I got outside and was shooting, the second plane circle around and it flew out over New Jersey and then it came in, it just."

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:26 PM
Clifton Cloud would say there was a plane because a fake image of one was added to his pathetic video. He could never claim he saw one while filming and that's all that matters as it concerns Clifton Cloud's eyewitness account. The videos are awful fakes...all of them. A zoomed plane from a mile away on a clear day would never look like a blurred, black blob. It's nonsense. NBC only having around two hours to alter this footage would explain why it's one of the worst fakes from that day.


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http://www.sights-and-culture.com/America/New-York-twins-1.jpg LOL
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/21867087.jpg LOL
http://www.floornature.eu/media/photos/30/4124/wr28_2_popup.jpg LOL
http://www.photoscapes.eu/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/nyc99_008.jpg right wing
http://philosophyofmetrics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/world-trade-center-before-911.jpg right wing
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https://firstlightforum.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/wtc1stplanejustbeforeitcrashes.jpg east
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http://images.latintimes.com/sites/latintimes.com/files/2015/09/11/twin-towers.jpg south
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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:30 PM
"It's a bomb, it's definitely a bomb." This is the type of footage that would show the orb but we don't get that here. The impact was edited out by someone, that's for sure. It's the girl that says a lot here, but some of it is difficult to hear. She saw something, but it definitely wasn't a big plane. She was confused as to what she saw and how the tower exploded.

9/11 Rooftop Eyewitness - Its A Bomb Definitely A Bomb (Live Raw Video) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TKdqezML4I)

A blue sky and the haze. Three flight paths with cgi and the ball.. The wide angle never dives but flies straight south to north. There were three distinct cgi paths and the correct path of the ball floating slowly from the west. The official flight myth had fake 175 descending from above the smoke and behind the towers.


Tangible Information: 911 plane "United 175" DID NOT CRASH IN WTC (monitored after!!) (http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2011/12/911-plane-united-175-did-not-crash-in.html)

This is Flight 175's descent. A passenger jet cannot drop in altitude this fast and still stay in control.
8:58 AM 25,000 Feet
9:00 AM 18,500 Feet
9:02 AM 9,000 Feet

It hits the south tower at a height of around 1000 feet at 9:02:40 which means the flight descended over 8000 feet in 40 seconds.

The last 52 - 60 miles of fake 175's journey was covered in 4 mins 40 seconds. This places speed between 668 Mph and 771 Mph Maximum cruising speed for Boeing 767 is 568 MPH and that is at cruising altitude. The plane would go much lower speeds at lower altitudes.

This flight data is in the NTSB report. A lot of sources say flight 175 hit the south tower at 590 MPH, even NIST says 540 MPH. These speeds are not attainable at lower altitudes. A plane flying at these speeds would be out of control.

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:34 PM
As reported by the female reporter in Chopper 4, they were around 5 miles north of the towers when the orb was captured coming from over west.
911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Plane Crash Videos (http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit.html)

WB11 (WPIX-TV) Metrocam YouTube 1, 2, & 3

Shot from the Empire State Building, like NY1 above, but from a different camera. It could be guessed that WB11 (now "WPIX Home of the CW") cropped the NY1 wide shot to create a zoomed view with better aesthetic balance... but no. Recently (July 2009) YougeneDebs used trig to discover the WB11 view "seems to be on the western half of the ESB at about the 88th storey. Notice the Staten Island shore line and structures there behind One Liberty Plaza, the old U.S. Steel building, the black building just to the left of center-frame for an estimate of the height of the perspective." The NY1 camera location is described above.

GM Building

This is the 3rd angle WCBS used on 9/11 to show the plane... all in 3 minutes. Here the plane passes the distance between the Empire State Building and the WTC in two successive playbacks (9:04 and 9:05). The full approach of "Flight 175" is shown from this angle later at 9:17 (and 9:22, abbreviated). That is, the tape starts from pause— with the plane in a circle.

The camera location: General Motors Building, aka FAO Schwartz, E 58th St at Madison Ave... 215 meters tall on ground elevated at 48 feet above sea level Lat 40.763595 Lon -73.972781 (Thanks, YougeneDebs)

Every distance would have produced a ledgible image of a 767 for either tower but no image has ever surfaced. The north tower blob compared to a decent fake of UA 175 compared to a real boeing 767. Flight 11 and 175 were both supposed to be 767's.


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:35 PM
WB11's, wackadoodle coverage of a floating ball and failed computer graphics

She only mentioned choppers being in the area after the ball came in the frame. She was stunned and shocked when the tower exploded because what appeared on screen had no wings or propeller, which is the very reason she said it could be a chopper. She used the smallest aircraft that most people would be familiar that fit closest in size to the unknown flying blob.

"A lot of ah, uncertainty right now as to what is happening, you can see there are choppers--I believe that could be a police helicopter that is co...oooh."

"We just saw another (long pause because she did not describe a plane) live picture of, duhhh, what I believe, duhhh, was a plane that just hit another plane?" So, it went from an unidentifiable chopper, to, duh, what she knew had to be a plane, because that's what was supposed to happen, but didn't.

She first described it as what might be a police helicopter and after she realized it caused the explosion, changed her thoughts in that moment. These women literally got trapped in the twilight zone. If it wasn't a helicopter, (no propeller) it certainly could not have been a plane. She simply repeated what it was supposed to be, but the ball was shown at least six more times and called a plane or twin engine jet.

This is the most conclusive evidence of CGI I found. You can see the time change to 9:27. The fake image is so poor that it has no wings and two dots for engines. Notice the ball move directly east and cgi more left/north. START VIDEO AT 5:33.


WPIX (WB11) 9/11 9:21 - 9:31 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIyGEDvG9KQ)

The truth on 911 needs no witness other than fake plane images and an orb coming from west of the towers. NO PLANE of any kind could have passed east of tower 1 only two seconds before impacting the southeast corner of tower 2. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE and no one who supports the official lies would say it is either.

I doubled the speed of WB11's ball and fake plane image. The ball was shown 6-8 times between 9:03-9:26, while the CGI made its debut only one minute later. The CGI at 9:27 was altered to make it turn more north, giving a more plausible (but still impossible) flight path. The ball moved west to east in a straight line.


WPIX (WB11) 9/11 9:21 - 9:31 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIyGEDvG9KQ)

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:40 PM
She (WB11) first described it as what could be a police helicopter and after she realized it caused the explosion, changed her thoughts in that moment. The media literally got trapped in the twilight zone. If it wasn't a helicopter, (no propeller) it certainly could not have been a plane. A chopper (From WB11) passed west after the orb came from the right/west side.

The orb was the orb, helicopters are helicopters and the computer generated imagery utilized on 911 was absurd. The camera zoom demonstrates how a distant object will show more character detail. The zoom on the orb shows no detail of any known flying object and is too small to even be a chopper.



frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:44 PM
Techmac's digital attempt at computer generated imagery was laughable. Note that it has no right wing and the left wing and engine dislodge right after it gets below the copyright. It convienently zooms in preventing view of the fake image between the towers. WB11 didn't get its fake plane image until 9:27 and the similarities between the two provide a match in stupidity. Only a cgi could have a fake left wing and no right wing.

2nd Plane Impact: Techmac - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_g7X7WFSwg)

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:53 PM
It doesn't matter what anyone thinks the perps wanted us to believe. The nose-out was exposed during live coverage and faded to black upon noticing their mistake. That supports that it wasn't supposed to come through. I believe it was Aaron Brown who said it was an illusion.

Only one relevant point has been made besides the simple truths I've posted on the live footage clearly showing a bogey coming from the west. The fake plane could not explode because it wasn't a plane, it was a computer generated image. Had they created an impact explosion, they would have had to explain why no plane parts fell to the ground on the south side. They logically could not create an impact explosion because there was no plane to produce any plane parts in real-time. Note the drone just right of the southwest corner of tower one. It casts its own shadow left of the north hole with just fire coming from the northeast corner, no NOSE-OUT in any north view footage, live or not. It appears that the initial bomb ignited on the east side but very close to the northeast corner.


I'm the first 911 researcher to capture the bomb igniting in the south tower. Watch the northeast corner as it illuminates during ignition. Bombs were were triggered in the opposite direction of impact and created explosions along the east side and lastly to the drone's impact area on the southeast corner. The drone was used as an ignition device and to have something in the area moving toward the buildings even though it wasn't a real plane. It was at least something people could eyewitness and call a small plane or remote controlled drone like Dick Oliver had.


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 07:57 PM
CNN.com - Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.01.html)
This man had a north view of the towers and saw the drone coming from the west.

OK, we actually have an "Eyewitness News" reporter, Dr. J. Atlasberg (ph) who was downtown at the time and he is on the phone with us live.

Dr. J., what can you tell us?

DR. J. ATLASBERG (ph), REPORTER: Hello, Steve.

I'm actually uptown at 86th and Riverside. I can see the World Trade Center from about half the building up to the top. And about five minutes ago, as I was watching the smoke, a small plane -- I did -- it looked like a propeller plane, came in from the west.

And about 20 or 25 stories below the top of the center, disappeared for a second, and then explode behind a water tower, so I couldn't tell whether it hit the building or not. But it was very visible, that a plane had come in at a low altitude and appeared to crash into the World Trade Center.


ABC News Special Report: "Planes crash into World Trade Center" (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeline/2001/abcnews091101.html)

He never saw a plane like that before, because it wasn't a plane at all. He said it twice, corroborating witnesses like Burnback and Oliver who described a drone. It was identical to what hit the north tower.

Mr Arraki

"Yeah. I--I saw--yeah, I saw the second plane, it go boom. I--I heard, you know. I just wake up my head like that I saw the side, too"

Arraki claims that the plane that hit WTC2 was identical to the plane that hit WTC1. Arraki's description of the first plane is reproduced below:

"I saw it come up from the left, and I saw the plane coming through to the building, go inside, a small plane, no, no, it was plane, you know, like they teach the people to pilot plane, small plane, you know, it was that kind of plane, yes, going into the building, and I never saw that plane before. It's like something, I don't know, it's like they work with the motors, I never saw a plane like that before!"

These two opposing flight paths are the best from Sept Clues. The height of the towers and the smoke coming from them confirm they are very different paths. Anything that came from right of the towers was nowhere near the smoke or behind the towers in sight from the north view. Without the divebomber myth, you'd have the morph footage seen from the wide east view. It starts as a dot and morphs as it moves north. The northeast view would have posed the same problem of having to create something in frame that wasn't there, so starting it, out of frame was done to avoid the morphing. They wanted to show a plane approach from the north view that was similar to what would've happened if 175 really impacted T2.


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 08:00 PM

Tangible Information: 911 plane "United 175" DID NOT CRASH IN WTC (monitored after!!) (http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2011/12/911-plane-united-175-did-not-crash-in.html)

This is Flight 175's descent. A passenger jet cannot drop in altitude this fast and still stay in control.
8:58 AM 25,000 Feet
9:00 AM 18,500 Feet
9:02 AM 9,000 Feet

It hits the south tower at a height of around 1000 feet at 9:02:40 which means the flight descended over 8000 feet in 40 seconds.

The last 52 - 60 miles of fake 175's journey was covered in 4 mins 40 seconds. This places speed between 668 Mph and 771 Mph Maximum cruising speed for Boeing 767 is 568 MPH and that is at cruising altitude. The plane would go much lower speeds at lower altitudes.

This flight data is in the NTSB report. A lot of sources say flight 175 hit the south tower at 590 MPH, even NIST says 540 MPH. These speeds are not attainable at lower altitudes. A plane flying at these speeds would be out of control.

Excellent post, SphinxMontreal! How many here are aware that these are the first airplane crashes in American history that have not been investigated by the NTSB! An FBI official, when asked, "Why haven't these crashes been investigated?", replied, "It wasn't necessary because we saw them on television!" But of course we did not see what happened at the Pentagon or in Shanksville "on television", and what we have seen on TV does not look right. So you are making some excellent points against a group who appears to be completely uninformed and at a loss as to how to cope with the evidence about 9/11.

U.S. military response during the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._military_response_during_the_September_11_att acks)

In the final moments before impact, according to eyewitness and Newark air traffic controller Rick Tepper, the plane executed ".. a hard right bank, diving very steeply and very fast. As he was coming up the Hudson River, he made another hard left turn..."[11] One or two minutes before it crashed into the World Trade Center, Flight 175 narrowly avoided a mid-air collision with Midwest Airlines Flight 7 (Midex 7).[36] At 9:01, a New York Center manager called FAA Command Center at Herndon. NEADS was notified at 9:03, when the New York Center manager called them directly, at about the time that Flight 175 hit the South Tower.[6] The F-15s were still 71 miles away from Manhattan when United Airlines Flight 175 smashed into the WTC's south tower.

United Airlines Flight 175 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_175)

At 09:01, two minutes before impact as United Airlines Flight 175 continued its descent into Lower Manhattan, the New York Center alerted another nearby Air Traffic Facility responsible for low-flying aircraft, which was able to monitor the aircraft's path over New Jersey, and then over Staten Island and New York Harbor in its final moments.[13] (Flight 175 came in from the southwest, apparently heading for the Empire State Building, but turned right, then left into the South Tower.)

9/11 South Tower Strike - New Jersey Air Traffic Controller Accounts Verrazano Bridge 4700 feet .... - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMlls8-X5pk)


frisco kid
08-09-2015, 08:07 PM
Was there a technical acknowledgement time stamp for the 9:23 message?

It's great to see such a quick response to such a relevant question.


The instructions on how to decode the data is in our article.

"The underlined date and time is when the message was received by the airplane. "


;09111323 108575 0574

So to answer your question... yes. It was received according to the data.

Hope this helps.

Rob Balsamo
Pilots For 9/11 Truth (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/)
Full member list at Pilots For Truth List Of Members (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core)
Photos here Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report (http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots)

Some have further gone on to speculate that United Airlines Dispatchers routed the messages themselves based on flight planned route. Flight Tracking protocol as described renders this argument moot as the Dispatcher does not have control over ARINC routing of ACARS messages through remote ground stations. This type of premise is the equivalent of saying that when you call someone from your cell phone, you have the capability to choose which cell tower around the world you want your call to be routed. It's absurd. But for the sake of argument, we will explore this hypothesis.

Dispatch Operations Centers monitor flight tracking of the aircraft in near real time on an Airspace Situational Display (ASD). The United Airlines ASD is refreshed every 60 seconds according to another Memorandum For The Record released by the 9/11 Commission(4)

When asked about the technical capabilities of the ASD (airspace situational display) program used by the dispatchers on their monitors to track planes, all United representatives conferred that the program's display refreshes every 60 seconds.


McCurdy recollected that at the time of the crash into tower 2, the display on Ballenger's monitor still showed UAL 175 at 31,000 ft, having just deviated from the normal flight plan and heading into a big turn back east.

The reason Dispatchers have an ASD is due to the fact the aircraft across the globe deviate from their cleared flight plans daily due to weather, traffic, etc. With an ASD, Dispatchers can keep track of their flights and alert for weather (or other adverse conditions) along the route. Even if Dispatchers had the capability to choose which specific ground station to route a message, why would they choose MDT and then later PIT if the aircraft is diverting back to the east on their monitors? The answer is, they wouldn't. The hypothesis that Remote Ground Station routing is based on original flight plan is completely absurd and usually attempted by only those who obviously are not interested in the facts, instead need to speculate to hold onto their beliefs. As described, the Central Processing System routes messages through remote ground stations based on Flight Tracking Protocol(5).

PENTAGON 9-11 Here's something the government didn't want you to see - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuuGcc5ihpY)

Other researchers with knowledge of this said flight 175 was in the air after the explosion. I'm saying that NO commercial airliner crashed into tower 2. And, that only a small object can be confirmed with some tight corroboration as the true thing present before the explosion.



The first message at 1259:19Z, as stated, was received by the aircraft, but not crew acknowledged, which is not required as technical acknowledgements are automatic. This is referring to the message noted above sent through MDT by Jerry TSEN (First coded ACARS message at top). The second (1259:29Z) and third messages (1259:30Z) referenced in the MFR were not provided through the FOIA. The last message (1303:17Z) referenced in the MFR is claimed to not have been received by the aircraft according to the 9/11 Commission. However, all we have is their word, which contradicts the statement made by Ballinger and the Technical Acknowledgement time stamp. The coded Rogers initiated ACARS message is included above, third from the top. Of course, the 9/11 Commission cannot admit if the last message was received by the airplane as that would immediately indicate to anyone that the airplane did not crash into the South Tower at 09:03am.

It is interesting to note that the Commission ignores the 9:03am ACARS message sent by Ed Ballinger routed through MDT (second ACARS message printed above), yet claims the 9:03am message sent by Rogers as not being received. Based on sequential numbers of the messages themselves, it is clear Ballinger's 9:03 message was sent before the Rogers message (0545 for Ballinger message, 0546 for Rogers, printed on bottom of the message), yet the Commission ignores Ballinger's message. Why would they ignore Ballinger's message, yet acknowledge Rogers? Is it because Ballinger's message was received by the airplane and they realized that an aircraft cannot receive an ACARS message at that distance and such low altitude? This message is more evidence the aircraft was in the vicinity of Harrisburg, and not NY. At least 3 ACARS messages were routed through MDT between 8:59 and 9:03am, and received by the airplane, according to the technical acknowledgement time stamps at the bottom of the messages.

The last message sent at 9:23AM, routed through Pittsburgh, has been completely ignored by the 9/11 Commission as well. Although important to know whether the messages were received, it is equally if not more important to understand how they are routed, received or not.

Based on Flight Tracking protocol, the only reason the Central Processing System would choose to route messages through the ground stations located at MDT, then later PIT, over the numerous ground stations much closer and surrounding NYC, is due to the aircraft being in the vicinity of MDT, and then later, PIT. This means that the aircraft observed to strike the south tower, was not United 175.

frisco kid
08-09-2015, 08:28 PM
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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 08:51 PM
Flight 175 was a grey and blue plane. The first pic here looks blue at the top but is against a blue sky which matches the fake plane image. I think the fake image was supposed to be a photograph. It's visibly shorter than what it had to be, but the green building and blue sky prove that it had no markings or windows if one wants to believe it was a real plane, which any honest researcher would reject and accept as a poorly done fake. The right wing is angled way too far to the rear and the engines are clearly not aligned compared to real boeings. The left engine also sags.


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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 08:58 PM
9/11 Airplane Photo Gallery - 9-11-2001 - 2nd World Trade Center Attack (http://www.911conspiracy.tv/2nd_hit_photos.html#Robert_Clark)

Thanks goes to Rich for comparing fiction against reality. He should have a 1 and 4 at the top, but it's self-explanatory. Rich's post is below the picture. Robert Clark is credited with this and one other fake photo image from 911. Rich didn't line up the fake right engine with its way out of alignment left counterpart. Every discernible plane part is out of sync with a real boeing 767-222, including the joke image being a black smudge with no windows or markings.

1. Horizontal stabilizer
2. Right Wing
3. Tail Fin
4. Left Engine

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I've resized the blue/grey plane to make it the same length as the colour photo underneath it... some interesting anomalies pop up right away. I lined the planes up from their ass end to their noses marked A and B. The rest is self explanatory...

I don't know how much these planes need to be twisted and turned, rolled and pushed about to get the 4 anomalies to line up as they should... But I just can't see how they can line up.. No. 2 is the standout for me..

Even if the coloured plane was rolled more to it's left, the right wing that we can see would naturally go up and move further away from the tail section.. not closer to it and right thru it.. not a chance. I also cannot see how a planes fuselage can become 25% thicker.. ok bad photo.. but it shouldn't look like that.. it makes no sense at all..

As Doogle has shown, maybe it's the angle.. I'm not seeing it yet and I'm not sure I will.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 09:51 PM
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A fake plane was added for south tower explosion - Page 16 - David Icke's Official Forums (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183361&page=16)

The right angle of the model matches closely to the real plane, but fails completely against the straighter angle of the fake image and real boeing.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 10:55 PM
What we're looking at here are zoomed images. They all must show color detail whether in direct sunlight or not. Color detail is also visible at sunset. The fake 911 image doesn't even rise to the level of a poorly done cgi.

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frisco kid
08-09-2015, 11:29 PM
It was witnessed by a woman who actually called it a golfball.

She saw the same ball that was filmed by cbs, nbc, ny1 and wb11, above. JERSEY SIDE=NOT 175.

As this terrified woman was running pell-mell away from the first collapsing tower — her hair, coat and feet on fire — Ms. Patricia Ondrovic witnessed vehicles parked along the street spontaneously erupt into flames. She even witnessed an aircraft disappear while in flight:

“I saw something in the sky, it was a plane, but it was way out. It looked like it was over Jersey or something, then it wasn’t there anymore. I saw a small fireball, and it was gone. I saw two other planes. One came in one way, and the other came in the other way, and there was a plane in the middle that was way far off in the distance. Then the plane in the middle just disappeared into a little fire ball. It looked like the size of a golf ball from where I could see it. And the other two planes veered off into opposite directions. I just kept on running north.” And she’s got a lot more to say. - See more at:

Witnesses Saw People ?Vaporized? on 9/11 « Just Wondering ? Alternative News and Opinions (http://www.zengardner.com/witnesses-saw-people-vaporized-on-911/)


9/11 Reflections Part 2: Interview with Simon Shack of September Clues - Salem-News.Com (http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september122010/911-reflections-ew.php)

An independent journalist in Oregon, Ersun Warncke, actually did perform this tedious task and came up with this data:

Out of 2,970 9/11 victims listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index. Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file.

Ersun Warncke Salem-News.com

I did an exhaustive check of the list of victims provided on the CNN website. What I found is that out of 2,970 people listed, only 446 appear in the Social Security death index. Of those only 249 have a confirmed death certificate on file. Of those, not a single one has a valid “last address of record” on file. That is a lot of clerical error, or maybe Simon Shack is not as crazy as it would seem at first glance[2].

If your interpretation were correct, then adding the words foreigners and aliens would've been pointless because it was already understood that ambassadors and foreign ministers were not U.S. Citizens. The words who and belong are also unnecessary to make your fake point. This is shortest way it would've been written. YOUR EXCUSE IS DEBUNKED.

He added that citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States

He added that citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States

Clever article, but it still does not debunk how clearly Senator Jacob Howard clarified the meaning of the Citizenship Clause that he proposed and was ratified. He described three groups and used two words to describe the first group. Howard's comments and clarification came after concerns that the new language was too broad in regards to acquiring citizenship.

Senator Jacob Howard of MI proposed the Citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment in May of 1866. It was ratified in July of 1868. Thankfully, in no uncertain terms Howard confirmed that Illegal alien babies born here are NOT U.S. citizens.

The Citizenship Clause was proposed by Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan on May 30, 1866, as an amendment to the joint resolution from the House of Representatives which had framed the initial draft of the proposed Fourteenth Amendment.[26] The heated debate on the proposed new language in the Senate focused on whether Howard's proposed language would apply more broadly than the wording of the 1866 Civil Rights Act.[27]

Howard said that the clause "is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States."[26] He added that citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons"—a comment which would later raise questions as to whether Congress had originally intended that U.S.-born children of foreign parents were to be included as citizens.

He added that citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution (http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html)

Post-Civil War reforms focused on injustices to African Americans. The 14th Amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the rights of native-born Black Americans, whose rights were being denied as recently-freed slaves. It was written in a manner so as to prevent state governments from ever denying citizenship to blacks born in the United States. But in 1868, the United States had no formal immigration policy, and the authors therefore saw no need to address immigration explicitly in the amendment.

In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."

Supreme Court decisions

The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court appropriately confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called "Slaughter-House cases" [83 US 36 (1873) and 112 US 94 (1884)]13. In the 1884 Elk v.Wilkins case12, the phrase "subject to its jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States." In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be "not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance."




The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens.

Congress subsequently passed a special act to grant full citizenship to American Indians, who were not citizens even through they were born within the borders of the United States. The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401, provides that:

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.

frisco kid
08-23-2015, 08:04 PM
https://books.google.com/books?id=VthAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=This+will+not,+of+course,+include+persons+born+ in+the+United+States+who+are+foreigners,+aliens,&source=bl&ots=ext9ULAA5-&sig=FThy1DHLHLB68pC1Lj1PtNc_j-8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CF4Q6AEwC2oVChMI7-_Cuei6xwIVDBCSCh2r8gMI#v=onepage&q=This%20will%20not%2C%20of%20course%2C%20include% 20persons%20born%20in%20the%20United%20States%20wh o%20are%20foreigners%2C%20aliens%2C&f=false IMP
https://www.cis.org/Report/Birthright-Citizenship-United-States new

I think the most important point is to corroborate Senator Howard's apparent intention to differentiate between three groups that were to be excluded from citizenship. The excuse came some time ago and is a must to keep the falsehood alive that anyone can come here and have children who automatically become U.S. citizens. The following sentence by Howard must be interpreted with the words foreigners and aliens applying only to foreign ministers and ambassadors.

"citizenship will not, of course, include persons born in the United States
who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign
ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will
include every other class of persons"

The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.

The 1884 SC interpretation includes three groups for exclusion, therefore exactly matches what Jacob Howard said 18 years earlier. That anyone born here whose parents are not citizens would not become citizens by happenstance of their foreign place of birth. They are still subject to their jurisdiction, which is not the United States of America.

Over a century ago, the Supreme Court appropriately confirmed this
restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called "Slaughter-House
cases" [83 US 36 (1873) and 112 US 94 (1884)]13. In the 1884 Elk v.Wilkins
case12, the phrase "subject to its jurisdiction" was interpreted to
exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born
within the United States." In Elk, the American Indian claimant was
considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be "not
merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United
States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them
direct and immediate allegiance."

The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the
citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based
on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the
U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must
be United States citizens.

The UnConstitutionality of Citizenship by Birth to Non-Americans - The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution (http://www.14thamendment.us/articles/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html)

ANN COULTER Fox News Anchored In Stupidity on 14th Amendment | Human Events (http://humanevents.com/2015/08/19/fox-news-anchored-in-stupidity-on-14th-amendment/)

citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners,

citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are aliens,

citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who belong to the families of ambassadors

citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who belong to the families of foreign ministers

You are dead wrong. Each sentence separated must make sense. It's already understood that a child of a foreign minister is a foreigner. It's redundant. There was no need to specify that the person born in the U.S. was a foreigner if that was the only class to be excluded from citizenship. The following is how it could've been written if your interpretation were correct: The words, who are foreigners and aliens would be excluded.

citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons"

citizenship "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, who belong to the families of foreign ministers.

What ?Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof? Really Means (http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction/)

In the year 1873 the United States Attorney General ruled the word “jurisdiction” under the Fourteenth Amendment to mean, which Justice Gray would recognize in Elk v. Wilkins years later:

The word “jurisdiction” must be understood to mean absolute and complete jurisdiction, such as the United States had over its citizens before the adoption of this amendment… Aliens, among whom are persons born here and naturalized abroad, dwelling or being in this country, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States only to a limited extent. Political and military rights and duties do not pertain to them. (14 Op. Atty-Gen. 300.)



frisco kid
09-01-2015, 03:44 AM
Anchor babies, birthright citizenship, and the 14th Amendment (http://www.cairco.org/book/export/html/267) IMP
Judge Napolitano distorts 14th Amendment on FoxNews regarding birthright Citizenship | GON Forum (http://forum.gon.com/threads/judge-napolitano-distorts-14th-amendment-on-foxnews-regarding-birthright-citizenship.849489/)





Chief Justice TANEY, in the passage cited for the plaintiff from his opinion in Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393, 404, did not affirm or imply that either the Indian tribes, or individual members of those tribes, had the right, beyond other foreigners, to become citizens of their own will, without being naturalized by the United States. His words were: 'They' (the Indian tribes) 'may without doubt, like the subjects of any foreign government, be naturalized by the authority of congress, and become citizens of a state, and of the United States; and if an individual should leave his nation or tribe, and take up his abode among the white population, he would be entitled to all the rights and privileges which would belong to an emigrant from any other foreign people.' But an emigrant from any foreign state cannot become a citizen of the United States without a formal renunciation of his old allegiance, and an acceptance by the United States of that renunciation through such form of naturalization as may be required law.

The distinction between citizenship by birth and citizenship by naturalization is clearly marked in the provisions of the constitution, by which 'no person, except a natural-born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president;' and 'the congress shall have power to establish an uniform rule of naturalization.' Const. art. 2, § 1; art. 1, § 8. By the thirteenth amendment of the constitution slavery was prohibited. The main object of the opening sentence of the fourteenth amendment was to settle the question, upon which there had been a difference of opinion throughout the country and in this court, as to the citizenship of free negroes, (Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393;) and to put it beyond doubt that all persons, white or black, and whether formerly slaves or not, born or naturalized in the United States, and owing no allegiance to any alien power, should be citizens of the United States and of the state in which they reside. Slaughter-House Cases, 16 Wall. 36, 73; Strauder v. West Virginia, 100 U. S. 303, 306.

This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.' The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards, except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts; or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired. Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indiana tribes, (an alien though dependent power,) although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more 'born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' within the meaning of the first section of the fourteenth amendment, than the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government, or the children born within the United States, of ambassadors or other public ministers of foreign nations. This view is confirmed by the second section of the fourteenth amendment, which provides that 'representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed.' Slavery having been abolished, and the persons formerly held as slaves made citizens, this clauses fixing the apportionment of representatives has abrogated so much of the corresponding clause of the original constitution as counted only three-fifths of such persons. But Indians not taxed are still excluded from the count, for the reason that they are not citizens. Their absolute exclusion from the basis of representation, in which all other persons are now included, is wholly inconsistent with their being considered citizens. So the further provision of the second section for a proportionate reduction of the basis of the representation of any state in which the right to vote for presidential electors, representatives in congress, or executive or judicial officers or members of the legislature of a state, is denied, except for participation in rebellion or other crime, to 'any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age and citizens of the United States,' cannot apply to a denial of the elective franchise to Indians not taxed, who form no part of the people entitled to representation.

It is also worthy of remark that the language used, about the same time, by the very congress which framed the fourteenth amendment, in the first section of the civil rights act of April 9, 1866, declaring who shall be citizens of the United States, is 'all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed.' 14 St. 27; Rev. St. § 1992. Such Indians, then, not being citizens by birth, can only become citizens in the second way mentioned in the fourteenth amendment, by being 'naturalized in the United States,' by or under some treaty or statute. The action of the political departments of the government, not only after the proposal of the amendment by congress to the states in June, 1866, but since the proclamation in July, 1868, of its ratification by the requisite number of states, accords with this construction. While the amendment was pending before the legislatures of the several states, treaties containing provisions for the naturalization of members of Indian tribes as citizens of the United States were made on July 4, 1866, with the Delawares, in 1867 with various tribes in Kansas, and with the Pottawatomies, and in April, 1868, with the Sioux. 14 St. 794, 796; 15 St. 513, 532, 533, 637.

The law upon the question before us has been well stated by Judge DEADY in the district court of the United States for the district of Oregon. In giving judgment against the plaintiff in a case resembling the case at bar, he said: 'Being born a member of 'an independent political community'—the Chinook—he was not born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States—not born in its allegiance.' McKay v. Campbell, 2 Sawy. 118, 134. And in a later case he said: 'But an Indian cannot make himself a citizen of the United States without the consent and co-operation of the government. The fact that he has abandoned his nomadic life or tribal relations, and adopted the habits and manners of civilized people, may be a good reason why he should be made a citizen of the United States, but does not of itself make him one. To be a citizen of the United States is a political privilege which no one, not born to, can assume without its consent in some form. The Indians in Oregon, not being born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, were not born citizens thereof, and I am not aware of any law or treaty by which any of them have been made so since.' U. S. v. Osborne, 6 Sawy. 406, 409. Upon the question whether any action of a state can confer rights of citizenship on Indians of a tribe still recognized by the United States as retaining its tribal existence, we need not, and do not, express an opinion, because the state of Nebraska is not shown to have taken any action affecting the condition of this plaintiff. See Chirac v. Chirac, 2 Wheat. 259; Fellows v. Blacksmith, 19 How. 366; U. S. v. Holliday, 3 Wall. 407, 420; U. S. v. Joseph, 94 U. S. 614, 618. The plaintiff, not being a citizen of the United States under the fourteenth amendment of the constitution, has been deprived of no right secured by the fifteenth amendment, and cannot maintain this action. Judgment affirmed.

At the adoption of the constitution there were, in many of the states, Indians, not members of any tribe, who constituted a part of the people for whose benefit the state governments were established. This is apparent from that clause of article 1, § 3, which requires, in the apportionment of representatives and direct taxes among the several states 'according to their respective numbers,' the exclusion of 'Indians not taxed.' This implies that there were, at that time, in the United States, Indians who were taxed; that is, were subject to taxation by the laws of the state of which they were residents. Indians not taxed were those who held tribal relations, and therefore were not subject to the authority of any state, and were subject only to the authority of the United States, under the power conferred upon congress in reference to Indian tribes in this country. The same provision is retained in the fourteenth amendment; for, now, as at the adoption of the constitution, Indians in the several states, who are taxed by their laws, are counted in establishing the basis of representation in congress. By the act of April 9, 1866, entitled 'An act to protect all persons in the United States in their civil rights, and furnish means for their vindication,' (14 St. 27,) it is provided that 'all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.' This, so far as we are aware, is the first general enactment making persons of the Indian race citizens of the United States. Numerous statutes and treaties previously provided for all the individual members of particular Indian tribes becoming, in certain contingencies, citizens of the United States. But the act of 1866 reached Indians not in tribal relations. Beyond question, by that act, national citizenship was conferred directly upon all persons in this country, of whatever race, (excluding only 'Indians not taxed,') who were born within the territorial limits of the United States, and were not subject to any foreign power. Surely every one must admit that an Indian residing in one of the states, and subject to taxation there, became, by force alone of the act of 1866, a citizen of the United States, although he may have been, when born, a member of a tribe. The exclusion of Indians not taxed evinced a purpose to include those subject to taxation in the state of their residence. Language could not express that purpose with more distinctness than does the act of 1866. Any doubt upon the subject, in respect to persons of the Indian race residing in the United States or territories, and not members of a tribe, will be removed by an examination of the debates, in which many distinguished statesmen and lawyers participated in the senate of the United States when the act of 1866 was under consideration.

Prior to the adoption of the fourteenth amendment, numerous statutes were passed with reference to particular

frisco kid
09-01-2015, 03:43 PM
A restrictive clause is a clause which limits a subject; this might be something identifying, such as the colour of a person’s hair, or the position of a book on a table. A restrictive clause may use the word that, and cannot be removed from the sentence without loss of information.

The box of apples, that has the red label on it, can be used to make the pie.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

The restrictive clause that has the red label on it should not have a comma on either side of it. The label is required to identify the box.

Three years ago, the house, on the corner, was torn down.

The plants, that are wilting, need more water.

A non-restrictive clause is a clause which may offer more information, but doesn’t limit the subject; this might be something of interest, such as how old something is or a job a person has. A non-restrictive clause may use the word which and can be removed from the sentence without loss of understanding.

Non-restrictive clauses are generally separated from the rest of the sentence by commas (while restrictive clauses are not).

That box of apples, which I picked this morning, can be used to make the pie.

The non-restrictive clause which I picked this morning needs to have a comma on either side of it because this information is not required to identify the box; that is the word which identifies the box (we can assume the speaker is pointing to it).

Three years ago, the house on the corner, which was of historical interest, was torn down.

As the house is already identified as the one on the corner, the fact that it was of historical interest is not necessary.


The most common relative pronouns are who/whom, whoever/whomever, whose, that, and which. (Please note that in certain situations, "what," "when," and "where" can function as relative pronouns.) Relative pronouns introduce relative clauses, which are a type of dependent clause. Relative clauses modify a word, phrase, or idea in the main clause. The word, phrase, or idea modified is called the antecedent. In the following examples, that and whom modify the subject:

The house that Jack built is large.

The professor, whom I respect, recently received tenure.

"That" vs. "Who" and "Which" https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/645/01/

The relative pronoun that can only be used in restrictive clauses. It can also be substituted for who (referring to persons) or which (referring to things) in informal English. Whereas that is often used while speaking, who and which are more common in formal written English.

Conversational, Informal: William Kellogg was the man that lived in the late nineteenth century and had some weird ideas about raising children.

Written, Formal: William Kellogg was the man who lived in the late nineteenth century and had some weird ideas about raising children.

Conversational, Informal: The café that sells the best coffee in town has recently been closed.

Written, Formal: The café, which sells the best coffee in town, has recently been closed.

However, when speaking about a particular person in formal language, who is preferred:

The old lady who lives next door is a teacher.

The girl who wore a red dress attracted everybody's attention at the party.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

1. Relative pronouns introduce subordinate clauses functioning as adjectives.

The man who robbed us was never caught.
The arrow that has left the bow never returns.

In addition to introducing the clause, the relative pronoun, in this case
who, points back to a noun or pronoun that the clause modifies (man). In the second sentence, that points back to arrow.


Grammar Bytes! :: The Subject Complement (http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/subjectcomplement.htm)

Grammar Bytes! :: The Direct Object (http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/directobject.htm)

frisco kid
09-02-2015, 01:55 PM
Grammar Bytes! :: The Subordinate Clause (http://www.chompchomp.com/terms/subordinateclause.htm)

Relative Clauses - The Writing Center (http://writingcenter.unc.edu/handouts/relative-clauses/)

Non-restrictive Relative Clauses

This type of relative clause merely provides extra information. This information may be quite interesting and important to the larger conversation, but it is not essential for precise identification of the noun. “That” cannot be used as a relative pronoun in a non-restrictive relative clause. Commas are always used at the beginning and end of this type of relative clause.

A non-restrictive relative clause can modify a single noun, a noun phrase, or an entire proposition.

My mother is thinking of opening a restaurant. My mother is an excellent cook.

“My mother” is already a clearly defined noun, so the second sentence becomes a non-restrictive relative clause set off by commas on both sides.

My mother, who is an excellent cook, is thinking of opening a restaurant.

Restrictive Relative Clauses

Restrictive relative clauses give information that defines the noun—information that’s necessary for complete identification of the noun. Use “that” or “which” for non-human nouns; use “that” or “who” for human nouns. Do not use commas.

I like the paintings. (Which paintings? We can’t clearly identify them without the relative clause.)

So we add the clause:

The paintings hang in the SASB North lobby.

I like the paintings that hang in the SASB North lobby.

Defining and non-defining Relative clauses - that, which (http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/relative_clauses.htm)


Note that nonrestrictive and restrictive clauses must be introduced by the appropriate relative pronoun.

In correct usage that is always used to indicate restrictive clauses and which to indicate nonrestrictive ones.

Restrictive clauses should NEVER be set off with commas and nonrestrictive clauses ALWAYS should.

These are comments by someone who wishes to distort the English language with obvious falsehoods and propaganda.

What Did the 14th Amendment Congress Think about "Birthright Citizenship"? - Online Library of Law & Liberty (http://www.libertylawsite.org/2015/08/21/what-did-the-14th-amendment-congress-think-about-birthright-citizenship/#comments)

The author here completely misquotes Senator Howard. According to Pullman, Senator Howard said the following: “This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers…..”

The author of the article emphasized that 'or' was needed. I pointed out that it wasn't necessary because it was spoken and transcribed as a series of four: foreigners, aliens, ambassadors or foreign ministers.

However, the conjunction “or,” which Pullman places in brackets, never appeared in the original text. I’m sure he inserted the [or[ for the purpose of clarification, but by inserting the conjunction, Pullman unwittingly changes the grammar–and hence the meaning–of the sentence.

According to the original, unedited (AHEM) text, the phrase “foreigners and aliens” does not mean all foreigners and aliens, but only those “who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States.” Otherwise, the word “who” would be preceded by a conjunction such as “or” (which Pullman helpfully added to aid his case). Grammatically speaking, the absence of a conjunction in the unedited text demonstrates that the phrase “who belong to the families of ambassadors…” is an appositive phrase, which means that it modifies the preceding phrase “foreigners and aliens.”

This is nonsense. Appositives do not contain verbs. They are both relative clauses, the second being non-restrictive.

Here’s an example of a sentence that is parallel to the original (unedited) sentence by Howard: “Children, who are smart, who are good at sports, do well in life.” Like the original quote of Howard, this sentence contains two consecutive “who” clauses without any intervening conjunction. The absence of a conjunction means that the phrase “who are good at sports” is referring to the same children “who are smart.” If you wanted to refer to an additional or different set of children, you would need a conjunction, in addition to some other indication that you are referring to an additional set of children. E.g., “Children who are smart and children who are good at sports do well in life.”

This appears to be an example of stacking two non-restrictives, which is incorrect. It would read something like this; "Children, who are smart, and good at sports, should do well in life."

who are foreigners, aliens, & who belong to the families of, are identifying the subject and predicate: persons born in the United States.

Additionally, this interpretation is consistent with the phrase that follows, which is extremely broad: “but will include every other class of persons.” It would not make sense to include such a broad phrase if all foreigners and aliens were excluded. In other words, “under the jurisdiction thereof” is meant to be a narrow exception to the rule that all persons born in the US are US citizens, but under their interpretation, the exception swallows the rule. In short, Howard’s statement is clearly referring to the so-called “diplomatic exception.”

Adding the conjunction still requires a comma after aliens, in order to set off the non-restrictive clause. The word THAT (Belong) is needed to remove the comma to make it one restrictive clause.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners or aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

Birthright Citizenship (http://www.americantraditions.org/Articles/Birthright%20Citizenship.html) read

Tenth Amendment Center Blog | Does the 14th Amendment Grant Citizenship to Children of Foreigners? (http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2015/08/does-the-14th-amendment-grant-citizenship-to-children-of-foreigners/)


Who are the subjects of a foreign power? Thomas Jefferson said “Aliens are the subjects of a foreign power.” Thus, the statute can be read as All persons born in the United States who are not alien, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.

Sen. Trumbull stated during the drafting of the above national birthright law debates that it was the goal to “make citizens of everybody born in the United States who owe allegiance to the United States,” and if “the negro or white man belonged to a foreign Government he would not be a citizen.”

Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (39th Congress), James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed on March 1, 1866 that children under this class of aliens would not be citizens: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”

Framer of the Fourteenth Amendments first section, John Bingham, said Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes meant “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” If this statute merely reaffirmed the old common law rule of citizenship by birth then the condition of the parents would be entirely irrelevant.


An appositive can come before or after the main noun and it can be at the beginning, middle, or end of a sentence, as long as it sits beside the noun it defines. As a noun phrase, an appositive does not have a subject or predicate, and is not a complete thought.

frisco kid
09-03-2015, 04:17 AM
Punctuating Restrictive And Nonrestrictive Clauses - Writer's Relief, Inc. (http://writersrelief.com/blog/2008/04/punctuating-restrictive-and-nonrestrictive-clauses/)

Subordinate Clause: Like all clauses, this clause contains at least one subject and at least one verb; however, subordinate clauses do not express a complete thought. Instead, they are dependent upon the rest of the sentence for their meaning.

2. Generally, the pronoun that should be used with restrictive clauses and which should be used with nonrestrictive clauses. The pronoun who can be used with both restrictive and nonrestrictive clauses.

Restrictive and Nonrestrictive Clauses | Ask The Editor | Learner's Dictionary (http://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/restrictive-and-nonrestrictive-clauses)

A restrictive clause identifies the noun or verb that precedes it and is needed to understand which person or thing is meant:

I preferred the soprano who sang last year.
The old lady who was injured in the accident is now in the hospital.

Comma Usage: Restrictive vs. Nonrestrictive Relative Clauses (http://grammartips.homestead.com/nonrestrictivecommas.html)



Nonrestrictive: For camp the children need sturdy shoes, which are expensive.

A nonrestrictive element describes a noun or pronoun whose meaning has already been clearly defined or limited. Because it contains nonessential or parenthetical information, a nonrestrictive element is set off with commas. If you remove a nonrestrictive element from a sentence, the meaning does not change significantly. The children need sturdy shoes, and these happen to be expensive.





Diamonds, which are expensive, often elicit forgiveness.Alas, in Grammar Girl's world, diamonds are always expensive, so leaving out the words which are expensive doesn't change the meaning of the sentence. (Also note that the phrase is surrounded by commas. Nonrestrictive clauses are usually surrounded by, or preceded by, commas.)

Here's another example:There was an earthquake in China, which is bad news.

Would you help me define this sentence? I'm really looking for confirmation. It's a bit controversial, but you might have fun with it. These were comments from 1866 in regards to section 1 of the 14 amendment. It's a series of four groups of people.

-This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States.= Independent Clause
-who are foreigners, aliens,=Restrictive Relative Clause and the first two groups in the series.
- who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States,=Non-Restrictive Relative Clause.
- but will include every other class of persons.=Dependent clause

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

frisco kid
09-03-2015, 03:36 PM
Restrictive Relative Clause Restrictive, Nonrestrictive Clauses - Writing Explained (http://writingexplained.org/grammar-dictionary/restrictive-nonrestrictive-clauses)

A restrictive/essential clause is essential to the meaning of the sentence element that it modifies or identifies. Who are foreigners, aliens identifies the 'persons born in the United States.' In other words, without this clause or phrase the sentence as a whole would not carry the same meaning. Restrictive clauses should not be set off by commas. For example:

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States WHO ARE FOREIGNERS, ALIENS,

Nonrestrictive Relative Clause

A nonrestrictive/nonessential clause is a clause that does not limit the essential meaning of the element that it modifies. This means that children of foreign diplomats is not the only class of persons excluded from auto-citizenship. In other words, if this clause or phrase were to be taken out of the sentence, the essential meaning behind the sentence would stay the same. Nonrestrictive clauses should be set off by commas in sentences. For example: Simply put, the second clause only adds extra information about the subject and (PERSONS born in the United States) predicate. It does not modify anything else in the context of this sentence.

This will not, of course, persons born in the United States, WHO BELONG TO THE FAMILIES OF AMBASSADORS OR FOREIGN MINISTERS ACCREDITED TO THE GOVERNMENTOF THE UNITED STATES, but will include every other class of persons.

Nonrestrictive: For camp the children need sturdy shoes, which are expensive.

A nonrestrictive element describes a noun (PERSONS) or pronoun whose meaning has already been clearly defined or limited. Because it contains nonessential or parenthetical information, a nonrestrictive element is set off with commas. If you remove a nonrestrictive element from a sentence, the meaning does not change significantly. The persons not included are foreigners or aliens, and those who belong to ambassadors or foreign ministers are two groups of people that fit into those categories.

Nonrestrictive Relative Clause Restrictive, Nonrestrictive Clauses - Writing Explained (http://writingexplained.org/grammar-dictionary/restrictive-nonrestrictive-clauses)

A nonrestrictive/nonessential clause does not limit the essential meaning of the element that it modifies. This debunks the stupidity that it could limit the meaning of foreigners/aliens. It only applies to the subject/predicate; PERSONS born in the United States. In other words, if this clause were to be taken out of the sentence, the essential meaning behind the sentence would stay the same. Nonrestrictive clauses should be set off by commas in their sentences. For example: The following non-restrictive relative clause can be taken out, without losing any meaning to the sentence; , WHO BELONG TO THE FAMILIES OF AMBASSADORS OR FOREIGN MINISTERS ACCREDITED TO THE GOVERNMENTOF THE UNITED STATES,. The preceding clause does not limit or change anything. It just provides some extra information about the subject.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners or aliens, but will include every other class of persons.

Restrictive Relative Clause

A restrictive/essential clause is essential to the meaning of the sentence element that it modifies or identifies. Who are foreigners, aliens identifies the 'persons born in the United States.' In other words, without this restrictive clause the sentence as a whole would not carry the same meaning. Restrictive clauses should not be set off by commas. A restrictive clause identifies the noun (PERSONS) or verb that precedes it and is needed to understand which person or thing is meant. For example:

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States WHO ARE FOREIGNERS, ALIENS,

Clauses: the Essential Building-Blocks (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/clauses.htm)

restrictive relative clause - definition and examples (http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/Restrictive-Relative-Clause.htm)

The Difference Between Restrictive Clauses and Nonrestrictive Clauses

restrictive relative clause - definition and examples (http://grammar.about.com/od/rs/g/Restrictive-Relative-Clause.htm)

"To make this as short and brutal an explanation as possible, think of a restrictive clause as a liver: a vital organ of the sentence that cannot be removed without killing it. A nonrestrictive clause, however, is more like the appendix or tonsils of a sentence: It may be desirable to have but can be removed without dying (so long as one does so carefully)."
(Ammon Shea, Bad English: A History of Linguistic Aggravation. Perigee, 2014)


Relative clause

A relative clause is one connected to a main clause by a word such as which, that, whom, whose, when, where, or who:

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners or aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.


Integrated (restrictive) relative: The relative provides information that helps identify the referent of the antecedent further.

Supplementary (appositive, non-restrictive) relative: Adds information on the antecedent that is not required to identify it.



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1. A restrictive adjective clause contains information that is necessary to identify the noun it modifies. If a restrictive adjective clause is removed from a sentence, the meaning of the main clause changes. A restrictive adjective clause is not separated from the main clause by a comma or commas. Most adjective clauses are restrictive; all of the examples of adjective clauses above are restrictive. Here is another example:

People who can’t swim should not jump into the ocean.

2. A nonrestrictive adjective clause gives additional information about the noun it modifies but is not necessary to identify that noun. If a nonrestrictive adjective clause is removed from a sentence, the meaning of the main clause does not change. A nonrestrictive adjective clause is separated from the main clause by a comma or commas. The relative pronoun that cannot be used in nonrestrictive adjective clauses. The relative pronoun cannot be omitted from a nonrestrictive clause. Here is an example:


That / which (restrictive/nonrestrictive clauses)—A nonrestrictive clause is not essential for the reader to understand the full meaning of the word or words that it modifies. It simply adds more information, describing but not limiting (“restricting”) what it modifies. Conversely, a restrictive clause contains information that is essential for the reader to understand the full meaning of the word or words that it modifies. It limits (“restricts”) what it modifies. To keep things simple, use the relative pronoun that to begin restrictive clauses and which to begin a nonrestrictive clause. Examples:


He showed me the book that arrived in the mail today. [The meaning is restricted to just one book—the one that arrived in the mail today.]


Such a relative clause which defines or identifies its antecedent (the noun phrase) is called a defining or restrictive relative clause.

Restrictive relative clauses follow immediately after the noun that they modify. They are not separated by pauses in speech or commas in writing. Note that a restrictive relative clause cannot be left out without affecting the meaning of the sentence.


Restrictive and nonrestrictive relative clauses have different functions. Nonrestrictive relative clauses cannot narrow down a set of entities to a smaller set, only restrictive relative clauses do so. In the restrictive relative clause Pablo Picasso is a specified person. In contrast, the man denotes the set of all men. The set must have more than one member to be narrowed down. A singular proper noun has only one referent. Therefore, restrictive relative clauses cannot be attached to singular proper nouns. Exception: A restrictive relative clause can modify a proper noun which is used as a common noun. (e.g. The Isabel Allende who is a writer, not the one that is a politician.)

1. * Pablo Picasso who was an artist is very famous today.

2. The man who was an artist is very famous today.

3. Pablo Picasso, who was an artist, is very famous today.

frisco kid
09-07-2015, 01:35 PM
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These comments were spoken and transcribed. Am I mistaken in any of my conclusions?

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

Independent Clause: This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States.

Restrictive Relative Clause: who are foreigners, aliens,- It also begins a series of four groups: foreigners, aliens, ambassadors or foreign ministers

Non-Restrictive Relative Clause: , who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States,

Subordinate Clause: , but will include every other class of persons.

This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

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A woman [who I know] got hit by a car.

•Antecedent: The expression in an upper clause that is modified by the relative clause.
In our example, the noun woman is the antecedent.

•Relativized element: The element inside the relative clause that refers to the antecedent. If there is a relative pronoun then the relativized element corresponds to the relative pronoun. We usually characterize the relativized element by its function in the relative clause.
In our example, the relativized element is the direct object of the verb know.

•Relative pronoun: The wh-word who is the relative pronoun in our example. The relative pronoun refers to the antecedent. English relative clauses need not contain a relative pronoun, as the following variant of our example shows:

A woman [I know] got hit by a car.

•Relative phrase: The phrase that contains the relative pronoun is the relative phrase. In our example this phrase consists only of the relative pronoun, but there are more complicated cases. In the following examples, the relative phrase is underlined, the relative pronoun in bold face.

A woman [whose husband I know] got hit by a car.

A woman [to whom I talked yesterday] got hit by a car.

ENGLISH-ENGLISH GRAMMAR: COMPLEX SENTENCES WITH ADJECTIVE CLAUSES (http://online-english-grammar.blogspot.com/2010/04/adjective-clause.html)

C. The Function of a Relative Pronoun

1. A relative pronoun functions as the subject of a predicate when the relative pronoun is followed by a predicate, and such a relative pronoun cannot be omitted.

2. A relative pronoun functions as the object of a predicate containing a verb without a preposition when the relative pronoun is followed by a subject with such a predicate, and such a relative pronoun can be omitted
3. A relative pronoun functions as the object of a predicate containing a verb with a preposition when the relative pronoun is followed by a subject with such a predicate, and such a relative pronoun can be omitted if the preposition is put at the end of a verb.
4. A relative pronoun functions as a possessive adjective when the relative pronoun is used to substitute a pronoun functioning as a possessive adjective.

D. The Use of a Relative Pronoun

1. The relative pronoun which is used with the noun antecedent (a) person (s) preceding it, and which functions as the subject of a predicate is 'who'. Study the following examples:

Relative Clauses (http://www2.gsu.edu/~eslhpb/grammar/lecture_11/relative.html)

Like wh-questions, relative clauses come in two major types: (1) those that have the relative pronoun as the subject of the clause and (2) those that have the relative pronoun as something other than the subject of the clause (object or complement or object of a preposition).

In addition, relative clauses can be added to nouns in just about any part of a sentence--at the beginning, in the middle, and at the end of sentences. Let's analyze the location and type of relative clause in each of the following sentences:

frisco kid
09-07-2015, 06:43 PM
Restrictive Appositives (http://www.dailywritingtips.com/restrictive-appositives/)


Appositive dictionary definition | appositive defined (http://www.yourdictionary.com/appositive)

The definition of appositive refers to two nouns or noun phrases that are together in a sentence and each one gives more information about the other.

In the sentence “I am waiting for my friend Beth” the phrase “my friend” is an appositive phrase to “Beth” and “Beth” is an appositive noun to “my friend”.

Appositive Examples - Appositive Sentences (http://fos.iloveindia.com/appositive-examples.html)

who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors



Appositive Phrases

An appositive phrase includes an appositive and its modifiers:
My favorite place, the English building, is located on the Quad, a grassy square in the middle of the campus.

Restrictive Appositives

A restrictive appositive is necessary to maintain the meaning of the sentence and does not require commas. Usually, a restrictive appositive is a single word closely related to the preceding word. It "restricts" or narrows the meaning of the word it modifies:
The musician Harry Connick will come to Champaign.
("Harry Connick" restricts the general term "musician.")
My sister Mary has four dogs.

Nonrestrictive Appositive

A nonrestrictive appositive may be omitted without changing the basic meaning of the sentence. A nonrestrictive appositive is separated by commas. Commas are always used when the word which the appositive modifies is a proper noun:
Harry Connick, the musician, will come to Champaign.
("Musician" offers additional information about the specific name "Harry Connick")
There are many parades for Mardi Gras, a religious festival celebrating the last day before Lent, in New Orleans, a city in Louisiana.


Note: Who is not always preceded by a comma. I see commas thrown in before who in many essential phrases—if the word, phrase, or clause is needed to identify the person, that information is essential and is not separated out by commas.

It's simple English, really Barbecue

"persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to families of ambassadors..."

'Persons...who are foreigners' is a complete phrase, as is the parallel 'persons... who are aliens.' Foreigners and aliens aren't really different, are they? So that would parse as 'foreigners, [in other words] aliens....'

The verb 'are' can get to 'foreigners' or 'aliens,' but cannot project past the following 'who.'

The second "who" is stranded with no subject unless it connects with the previous ones, so you get 'foreigners who belong to families of ambassadors..." and the parallel "aliens who belong to families of ambassadors..."

That passage can't possibly be read as a series, i.e. "foreigners, aliens, [or those] who belong to families of ambassadors..."

AND You have still failed to answer my question. What is the difference between a foreigner and an alien?

In any case, it's a moot point, since the actual term used in the clause, "Subject to the Jurisdiction" completely negates your interpretation of that phrase.


An appositive is a noun, noun phrase or pronoun that is next to a noun or pronoun to rename it. In other words, it identifies or explains it with additional information. One can consist of a short string of words or a long string. Most appositives contain modifiers, or adjectives. They differ from relative (defining/restrictive) clauses in that the string of words that provides additional information does not contain a relative pronoun. The omission of the relative pronoun can help keep your writing free of clutter. Appositives are either restrictive (essential) or non-restrictive (non-essential). Keep in mind that appositives can apply to any noun, noun phrase or pronoun within a sentence, not only to those that are the subjects of sentences.


An appositive is a noun or noun phrase that follows another noun or pronoun and explains it.


Appositive Phrases

Appositive phrases are basically the grammatical younger sibling of descriptive clauses: they serve the same purpose, describing a noun or pronoun, but they don't include a verb. Nonetheless, the basic rule for comma use is identical. If a phrase can be removed without changing the meaning of the sentence, it needs to be surrounded with commas. Consider the following examples. Where do you think they need commas?


What to remember for appositives:

2. Most of the time, appositives are used as noun modifiers and contain nouns themselves, but they can also be adverbial modifiers.


Difference between Appositives and Parenthetical elements : GMAT Verbal Section (http://gmatclub.com/forum/difference-between-appositives-and-parenthetical-elements-13620.html)

All appositive phrases are parenthetical elements but not all parenthetical elements are appositive. An appositive construction is a group of words (with no verb) which gives an emphasis to the immediately preceding word. On the other hand, a parenthetical element, non-essential information, can have many different forms among which the appositive phrase.


In daily speech and writing, we are constantly renaming things. People and objects can have many names. For instance, I am Angela, but I can also be called a woman, a teacher, a daughter, or a sister. All these names can refer to me in different contexts. This is true for nearly any noun.

An appositive is a phrase, usually a noun phrase, that renames another phrase or noun. A noun phrase is a group of words taking the job of a noun in a sentence. Noun phrases consist of the main noun and any modifiers. For example, 'yellow house', 'high school teacher', and 'the large dog' are all noun phrases. Here is an example of a sentence using a one word appositive to rename another noun.
•My best friend, Sammy, lives in Cleveland.

The word Sammy is the appositive in that sentence as it renames the noun phrase 'my best friend'. Appositives can also come in the form of phrases. Here are two more examples of sentences using an appositive phrase.
•My childhood home, a yellow and blue house, is just down the road.
•His fish, Gill and Phineas, need to be fed once a day.

The two appositive phrases are 'a yellow and blue house' and 'Gill and Phineas'.



Like a noun clause, an adjective clause may begin with who, that, which. But unlike a noun clause, an adjective clause cannot be replaced by a noun and still make sense.

•Noun Clause: Whoever ate my sandwich is crazy. (“Whoever ate my sandwich” can be substituted for the noun, “Bob.” Bob is crazy. )

•Adjective Clause: The man who ate my sandwich is crazy. (“Who ate my sandwich” modifies “the man.”

Like an appositive, which is a noun or noun phrase, an adjective clause provides more information about a noun. In fact, we may think of an appositive as a simplified adjective clause. Consider, for example, how the following two sentences can be combined.

•Jimbo Gold is a professional magician.

•Jimbo Gold performed at my sister's birthday party.

We have the option of reducing the adjective clause in this sentence to an appositive. All that we need to do is omit the pronoun who and the verb is:
Jimbo Gold, a professional magician, performed at my sister's birthday party.
(“A professional magician” is a noun phrase that renames Jim Gold.)

Another way to combine these sentences is to turn the first sentence into an adjective clause:

Jimbo Gold, who is a professional magician, performed at my sister's birthday party.

(“Who is a professional magician” is an adjective phrase that modifies Jimbo Gold.)

The appositive a professional magician serves to identify the subject, Jimbo Gold. Reducing an adjective clause to an appositive is one way to cut the clutter in our writing. However, not all adjective clauses can be shortened to appositives in this fashion--only those that contain a form of the verb to be (is, are, was, were).

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.


Think of appositives as subjects. There is no action because there is no verb. You only have a descriptive noun.

To write appositives, target nouns in your sentences that need (or could use) further description or explanation.


frisco kid
09-11-2015, 04:08 PM
modifying clause can be either restrictive or nonrestrictive.
Grammar Handbook « Writers Workshop: Writer Resources « The Center for Writing Studies, Illinois (http://www.cws.illinois.edu/workshop/writers/restrictiveclauses/)
Restrictive Clause

A restrictive modifying clause (or essential clause) is an adjective clause that is essential to the meaning of a sentence because it limits the thing it refers to. The meaning of the sentence would change if the clause were deleted. Because restrictive clauses are essential, they are not set off by commas.

All students who do their work should pass easily.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

The car that I want is out of my price range.
The gas company will discontinue our service unless we pay our bills by Friday.

Nonrestrictive Clauses

A nonrestrictive modifying clause (or nonessential clause) is an adjective clause that adds extra or nonessential information to a sentence. The meaning of the sentence would not change if the clause were to be omitted. Nonrestrictive modifying clauses are usually set off by commas. The bolded parts can be left out.

Edgar Allan Poe, who wrote "The Raven," is a great American poet.
Puerto Rico was a Spanish colony until 1898, when it was ceded to the United States.

Non-restrictive example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-restrictive_clause

The officer helped the civilians, who had been shot.

Here, there is a comma before "who". Therefore, what follows is a non-restrictive clause. It changes the sentence to mean that all the civilians had been shot.[1]

A restrictive clause is never placed between punctuation. Using That and Which is All About Restrictive and Non-restrictive Clauses | Grammarly Blog (http://www.grammarly.com/blog/2015/using-that-and-which-is-all-about-restrictive-and-non-restrictive-clauses/)

Remember: if your sentence needs it, then you’ve written a restrictive clause, and you should use that. If the clause gives a little extra, unnecessary information, then you’ve written a nonrestrictive clause, and you should use which.

SIGNUP: The Basics of Writing Complex Sentences: Using Adjective Clauses (http://english.answers.com/grammar/the-basics-of-writing-complex-sentences-using-adjective-clauses)

Understanding the Complex Sentence Structure (http://english.answers.com/grammar/understanding-the-complex-sentence-structure)

A complex sentence has a special way in which it is created. An independent clause in a complex sentence is joined by one or more dependent clauses. A complex sentence must also always have a conjunction such as since, after, although, when, or because. A relative pronoun, such as that, which, or who, can replace a conjunction in a sentence. When a complex sentence starts with a conjunction, it is important to remember that a comma must be placed at the end of the dependent clause. A comma should not be placed before a conjunction if it appears in the middle of the sentence.


This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, but will include every other class of persons.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are aliens, but will include every other class of persons.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who belong to the families of ambassadors accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who belong to the families of foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

frisco kid
09-12-2015, 04:08 PM
Essential (Restictive) Adjective vs. Non-Essential (Non-Restrictive) Adjective Clause | Online Homework Help | SchoolWorkHelper (http://schoolworkhelper.net/essential-restictive-adjective-vs-non-essential-non-restrictive-adjective-clause/)


A subordinate clause = a group of words with a subject and a predicate, but which are dependent upon the rest of the sentence to make sense.

Non-essential = not necessary, not essential to meaning.

An adjective = a word that modifies a noun or pronoun.

A non-essential (non-restrictive) adjective clause = a group of dependent words with a subject and a predicate, modifying the noun or pronoun in the main part of the sentence by providing additional information not essential to the meaning of the sentence.

Non-essential adjective clauses require commas.

Four words serve as openers for these clauses: who, whom, whose, which. Who, whom, and whose refer to persons; which refers to animals and things. The word “that” cannot introduce a non-essential adjective clause.

Glossary of Grammatical Terms (http://homepages.uwp.edu/canary/grammar_text/glossary_of_terms.html)

Appositive (Noun Clause) A noun clause (or other nominal) which follows and has the same reference as its predecessor--e.g., the teacher, Mr. Scheisskopf. Can be used of any such nominal which simply redefines its predecessor, rather than adding additional information (as a relative would). Appositives may be either restrictive or non-restrictive and are usually punctuated accordingly.

An Advanced English Grammar with Exercises by Farley and Kittredge - Free Ebook (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/45814/45814-h/45814-h.htm#page-157)

Relative Clauses y That-Clauses (http://html.rincondelvago.com/relative-clauses-y-that-clauses.html)
Daily Grammar - Glossary of Grammar Terms - A complete list of grammar terms and definitions covered in our free grammar lessons (http://www.dailygrammar.com/glossary.html)

2.2. Non-defining/non-restrictive relative clause.

It is used to add additional information about the noun, whose identity or reference is already established.


http://www.learning2grow.org/2011/02/17/types-of-sentence-fragments/ Examples of the 7 Fragment Types


The form of non-defining relative clauses

When the relative pronoun refers back to a person and is the subject of the non-defining relative clause, who is used, e.g.:

The woman, who later died in hospital, has not yet been named.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.


restrictive relative clause (restriktiv/nødvendig relativsetning): a relative clause which is necessary in order to specify the referent of the noun phrase in which the relative clause is a postmodifier. In writing, there is no comma between the antecedent and a restrictive relative clause, and in speech, there is no tone unit boundary between the antecedent and the restrictive relative clause. The sister who is a doctor lives in Oslo. = of the sisters that I could possibly be referring to, I'm now talking about the one who is a doctor. Compare the non-restrictive His sister, who is a doctor, lives in Oslo. = He has one sister. She happens to be a doctor. She lives in Oslo.

SIGNUP: http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/threads/85127-appositive-clause

A relative clause includes in its internal structure the same noun that it attaches to. The relative pronoun means the same thing as the noun that the clause is attached to; the relative pronoun has a grammatical role that combines being a connector with a role in the syntax of its clause.

An appositive clause does not include the noun that it attaches to; the appositive clause is like a linking verb--or an equal sign: the idea = students can become independent learners. The connector that just connects the clause to the noun without playing any internal role in the clause.


In grammar, a clause is a grammatical structure that consists of a subject and a predicate. A dependent or subordinate clause is a clause that cannot function independently as a complete sentence but that must appear with another independent or main clause. A noun clause is a type of dependent clause that performs a nominal function.



It is obvious that Jacob Howard and others looked to Emerich Vattel for guidance in drafting the 14th amendment.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Being an illegal alien today fits perfectly with the 14th amendment. They broke our laws, and have no allegiance to the U.S. That, by definition excludes them or any of their offspring from being a citizen. It may depend on birth, but doesn’t hinge upon it.

Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase:

[T]he provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' "What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Sen. Johnson, speaking on the Senate floor, offers his comments and understanding of the proposed new amendment to the constitution: http://www.14thamendment.us/articles/anchor_babies_unconstitutionality.html

"and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born to parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States."

This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

"[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word..."

frisco kid
09-21-2015, 03:40 PM
COMMA RULE #1 – THE COMMA IN A SERIES: Use commas to separate items in a series. Major Comma Uses (http://www.towson.edu/ows/modulecomma.htm)

What is a ”series”?

A “series” is a list of 3 or more items, the last two of which are joined by and, or, or nor.


"citizenship will not, of course, include persons born in the United States
who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign
ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will
include every other class of persons."

The important things to remember about using commas in series are these:

1. A series includes 3 or more items of the same type (words or groups of words).

2. The series is connected by and, or, or nor before the last item.

3. A comma separates items in the series, including the final item preceded by and, or, or nor.

https://www.google.com/#q=COMMA+RULE+%231+%E2%80%93+THE+COMMA+IN+A+SERIES +four+items

Commas | Punctuation Rules (http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/commas.asp)

Example: My estate goes to my husband, son, daughter-in-law, and nephew.

Note: When the last comma in a series comes before and or or (after daughter-in-law in the above example), it is known as the Oxford comma. Most newspapers and magazines drop the Oxford comma in a simple series, apparently feeling it's unnecessary. However, omission of the Oxford comma can sometimes lead to misunderstandings.

Grammarly Handbook | Missing Comma In A List Grammar Rules (http://www.grammarly.com/handbook/punctuation/comma/24/missing-comma-in-a-list/)


The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.[1]


Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. http://www.14thamendment.us/amendment/14th_amendment.html

What is a jurisdiction? definition and meaning (http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/jurisdiction.html)


Subject or object?

Who, which, that can replace a subject or an object, it is easy to figure out which one they stand for:

◾If a verb comes directly after the relative pronoun, then the relative pronoun replaces a subject and must be used.

Example: the boy who is wearing glasses


The first section of the fourteenth article to which our attention is more specially invited opens with a definition of citizenship -- not only citizenship of the United States, but citizenship of the States. No such definition was previously found in the Constitution, nor had any attempt been made to define it by act of Congress. It had been the occasion of much discussion in the courts, by the executive departments, and in the public journals. It had been said by eminent judges that no man was a citizen of the United States except as he was a citizen of one of the States composing the Union. Those, therefore, who had been born and resided always in the District of Columbia or in the Territories, though within the United States, were not citizens. Whether [p73] this proposition was sound or not had never been judicially decided. But it had been held by this court, in the celebrated Dred Scott case, only a few years before the outbreak of the civil war, that a man of African descent, whether a slave or not, was not and could not be a citizen of a State or of the United States. This decision, while it met the condemnation of some of the ablest statesmen and constitutional lawyers of the country, had never been overruled, and if was to be accepted as a constitutional limitation of the right of citizenship, then all the negro race who had recently been made freemen were still not only not citizens, but were incapable of becoming so by anything short of an amendment to the Constitution.

To remove this difficulty primarily, and to establish clear and comprehensive definition of citizenship which should declare what should constitute citizenship of the United States and also citizenship of a State, the first clause of the first section was framed.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The first observation we have to make on this clause is that it puts at rest both the questions which we stated to have been the subject of differences of opinion. It declares that persons may be citizens of the United States without regard to their citizenship of a particular State, and it overturns the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction citizens of the United States. That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, "subject to its jurisdiction" was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.

The next observation is more important in view of the arguments of counsel in the present case. It is that the distinction between citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a State is clearly recognized and established. [p74] Not only may a man be a citizen of the United States without being a citizen of a State, but an important element is necessary to convert the former into the latter. He must reside within the State to make him a citizen of it, but it is only necessary that he should be born or naturalized in the United States to be a citizen of the Union.

It is quite clear, then, that there is a citizenship of the United States, and a citizenship of a State, which are distinct from each other, and which depend upon different characteristics or circumstances in the individual.



It's true that bloggers and other goofs added two words that were never uttered. I proclaim this as my best work as it leaves no room for debate. Exposing this simple lie renders the simple truth that the Honda Civic was registered to Rodia.


The dispatcher that gives Rodia's ID said either 53 Edwards or 53 Headquarters. 7 seconds later he said, "Rodia, operator", NOT, RUN THE OPERATOR.

Sandy Hook and Christopher Rodia - Most 'Conspiracy Theorists' Can't Think | JoeQuinn.net (http://joequinn.net/2013/01/11/sandy-hook-and-christopher-rodia-most-conspiracy-theorists-cant-think/)http://www.politicalforum.com/other-miscellaneous/283650-sandy-hook-massacre-never-happened-14.html

At 2:04 an officer with a deep voice, clearly NOT the officer that made the previous 872 YEO license plate report, says: “run the eh… operator, he’s a Florida license Connecticut as well, first name is Rodia, R-O-D-I-A, Christopher A. Date of birth is, eh…August 6th ’69.”





About 20 seconds later an officer with a deep voice says, "53 Edward, run the operator, he's a Florida license and Connecticut as well. Last name is Rodia R-O-D-I-A, Christopher ... August 6, 1969 ..." But about 5 minutes before this, this same officer with a deep voice is heard to say "33 headquarters, motor vehicle stop". The obvious conclusion being that these were two intermingled streams that someone, without an ounce of discernment (like noticing the difference between two voices), decided was evidence that Nancy Lanza's car belonged to someone else.


frisco kid
10-14-2015, 07:12 PM
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10 Facts You Need to Know about the death of ‘Kendrick Johnson’ – TIP (http://www.topinfopost.com/2014/01/12/10-facts-you-need-to-know-about-the-death-of-kendrick-johnson) documents

Strangulation Injuries | 2010-08-02 | AHC Media: Continuing Medical Education Publishing (http://www.ahcmedia.com/articles/19950-strangulation-injuries)

An article from 2009 examined 56 survivors of strangulation injuries with MRI (without contrast) to determine if there were findings that correlated with life-threatening potential.69 Based upon their experience with both survivors and non-survivors of strangulation, two board-certified forensic pathologists using clinical information judged that 15 victims had life-threatening injury while 41 victims did not. In all 56 victims, the most common injuries noted were subcutaneous hemorrhage and edema (55%), followed by intramuscular hemorrhage and edema (29%), intracutaneous hemorrhage (29%), and swelling of the platysma (29%). The last three findings were the best for distinguishing between victims with life-threatening and non-life-threatening injuries, but the sensitivity was low, with only 53% of these individual findings present in those with life-threatening injury.


Suffocation-Smothering | Forensic Pathology Online (http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/suffocation-smothering)

A closer look at strangulation cases | Texas District & County Attorneys Association (http://www.tdcaa.com/journal/closer-look-strangulation-cases) great page

Visible evidence

Some of the best evidence of strangulation comes in the form of post-mortem examinations (autopsies) where the tissues of the neck and the brain can be evaluated.

Other visible injuries to look for are swelling of the neck (edema), lips, or tongue.

Petechiae, which is the rupturing of capillaries (small blood vessels near the surface of the skin) is present in a very few cases. When petechiae is lacking, defense attorneys seem to want to hang their hat on its absence as evidence that no strangulation occurred. Petechiae occurs in moments where the jugular vein (which is closest to the surface of our skin and is thus obstructed with less pressure) is blocked and prevented from sending blood down to the heart but the carotid artery (which is deeper than the jugular vein and sends blood to the head) is open. This blockage of blood causes the capillaries to burst. This is significant because for petechiae to occur, some pressure was placed on a certain part of the victim’s neck that occluded the jugular vein. In other words, petechiae is caused when only the most superficial part of the anatomy is blocked.

This is not to say that the presence of petechiae isn’t important—it certainly helps to prove strangulation in that it is evidence of impeding the blood flow of the jugular vein—but it can also support the argument that a struggle took place or that the suspect released and/or varied the pressure he used during the assault. At the same time, the absence of petechiae shouldn’t be a concern for a prosecutor. Even in cases where petechiae might be present, it is easily missed as it sometimes presents itself as a single pin-point dot on the earlobe, in the eye, on the eyelid, or behind the ear. Like many other visible injuries consistent with strangulation, it is such a small injury that it is often overlooked and can be easily covered by freckles, dark skin, make-up, or lighting.

Forensics section - Asphyxia (http://www.pathologyoutlines.com/topic/forensicsasphyxia.html)

Positional / mechanical / traumatic asphyxia
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● Definition: position of body or external pressure on chest prevent respiration

● Positional asphyxia: body is positioned in a way that restricts airflow
● Twisting or compression of neck resulting in occlusion of oropharynx or trachea
● Seen in intoxicated individuals or elderly persons who become trapped

● Mechanical / traumatic asphyxia: external compression of chest, preventing normal respiration
● Example: vehicle collapsing on individual working under car
● May have petechiae, face and upper chest congestion at autopsy


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“Kendrick enters the gym as does this student, Student A. Student A goes into the gym first. Student A goes in and he starts walking to the back right hand corner in the gym. Kendrick comes in probably a second, second and a half behind him and goes to the back left hand corner,” Jones said.”They separate, they are not together, they never speak to each other. Nobody enters the gym after Kendrick except in a few seconds, actually…18 seconds.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Y_1H7J7AU TIME STAMP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZszauFdgtA GREAT VIDEO

http://aboutforensics.co.uk/decomposition/ Decomposition

Stages of Decomposition
Fresh (1-2 days)
This stage begins almost instantly from the moment of death. As the heart stops beating, the body’s cells are deprived of oxygen and pH changes occur. Cells gradually lose their structural integrity and begin to break down, releasing cellular enzymes which break down cells and tissues in a process known as autolysis, degraded by the body’s own enzymes. There will be no obvious signs of decomposition, however internally bacteria within the gastrointestinal tract begin to digest the soft tissues of the organs. Throughout this stage certain early post-mortem indicators may begin to occur, such as livor mortis (pooling of blood in the body), rigor mortis (stiffening of muscles) and algor mortis (body temperature reduction).

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https://www.google.com/#q=petechiae+in+suffocation PDF UofM


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https://www.google.com/#q=positional+asphyxia+car+accident+upside+down Positional A.

http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/Woman-died-A380-car-crash/story-12348438-detail/story.html Upside down

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http://grantland.com/features/the-mysterious-death-17-year-old-football-player-valdosta-georgia/ Grantland


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Coach Phillip Pipelow pulled down the mat and there was no mention of the body sliding out. Something like that would be included in the witness accounts. That's why the coroner was so adamant about the body being moved. In the same way, had his body been half out and held up by the surrounding mats, it would be all over these reports. The feet weren't sticking out according to Pipelow and most others.

He stated that he climbed the mats and when he reached the top, he saw feet inside. He stated that he could not move the person, so he climbed down and began to pull away the mats from the outside; trying to get to the mat the person was in. He stated that students helped him clear the mats. He stated that he reached the mat and he reached for the top of the mat pulled it from the top, down to the floor, when he noticed that the person was deceased. Mr. Pipelow became upset and was having a hard time speaking.


6. Why are there two differing coroner’s reports? The Johnson family had to struggle to get any of the records they got, using repeated filings of Open Records Act requests. The coroner’s report they received from the Open Records Act requests stated how dismayed Coroner Bill Watson was by the crime scene’s compromised condition and the moved body in the January 22 report:

“I was not notified of (sic) this death until 15:45 hours. The investigative climate was very poor to worse when I arrived on the scene. The body had been noticably (sic) moved. The scene had been compromised and there was no cooperation from law enforcement at the scene. Furthermore the integrity of the evidence bag was compromised on January 13, 2013 by opening the sealed bag and exhibiting the dead body to his father…I do not approve of the manner this case was handled. Not only was the scene compromised, the body was moved.”


0:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBX9ft6z67A

It only has to do with the angle at which the plane was photographed. In order to get the same wing alignment the plane must be more to the right toward the camera. The fake wing is also angled impossibly upward and the left engine is too close to the front. It's an awful fake that will never have an explanation.

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frisco kid
10-18-2015, 04:01 PM
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https://sheerazgul.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/forensic-medicine-ospe-slides-38/ Hanging

Lennon Lacy's white girlfriend believes their relationship led to his murder | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2878148/White-girlfriend-31-lynched-17-year-old-says-believes-relationship-led-murder-reveals-warned-not-date-black-man-Crackertown.html)


BLADENBORO, N.C. — Teresa Edwards was driving to Bo’s Food Store when she spotted the teenager walking along the dirt road. It was getting dark. He was alone. She recognized him as Lennon Lacy, one of her son’s best friends. She stopped to ask him if he needed a ride.

“No, ma’am,” she recalls him saying, “I’m just thinking.”

https://www.change.org/p/fbi-reopen-the-investigation-in-the-death-of-lennon-lacy petition
N.C. teen's parents: Dating white woman got son 'lynched' - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-teen-parents-dating-white-woman-son-lynched-article-1.2045282) Lacey's friend
The Best Explanation For How Lennon Lacy Hung Himself: Magic (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/11/1351099/-The-Best-Explanation-For-How-Lennon-Lacy-Hung-Himself-Magic) great page
17-year-old Lennon Lacy Lynched in North Carolina (http://bennorton.com/17-year-old-lennon-lacy-lynched-in-north-carolina/) Good article
Why We Need To Talk About The Death Of Lennon Lacy | MadameNoire (http://madamenoire.com/477695/need-know-lennon-lacy-17-year-old-teen-found-hanged-north-carolina-trailer-park/) LL
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2866409/Autopsy-Lennon-Lacy.pdf AR
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New questions in Lennon Lacy case – The Wilmington Journal (http://wilmingtonjournal.com/new-questions-in-lennon-lacy-case/) Lennon Lacy

Did a white male that Lacy was in a fight with months earlier for allegedly stealing Lennon’s phone follow through with his alleged threat to “kill and hang” Lacy? That person reportedly was released from jail three weeks before Lacy’s death.

Murdered UNC Student's Final Moments: What Police Say Happened to Faith Hedgepeth - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/murdered-unc-students-final-moments-police-happened-faith/story?id=42281581) faith hedgepeth

Crime Watch Daily investigates the murder of Faith Hedgepeth | Crimewatchdaily.com (http://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/02/16/crime-watch-daily-investigates-the-murder-of-faith-hedgepeth/) """
Karena Rosario, Faith Hedgepeth’s Roommate: 5 Fast Facts | Heavy.com (http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/karena-rosario-faith-hedgepeth-roommate-suspect-facebook-911-twitter-murder-2020/) """
Gaspo: More from the mysterious Faith Hedgepeth recording | News & Observer (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/community/durham-news/dn-opinion/article62000817.html) """
https://gma.yahoo.com/friend-murdered-unc-student-describes-moment-she-found-195940722--abc-news-topstories.html """
http://crimewatchdaily.com/2015/08/27/losing-faith-the-hedgepeth-murder-mystery-at-unc/ timeline

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shots-fired-during-protest-second-131944088.html BLM great comments

Throttling | Forensic Pathology Online (http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/throttling)

https://books.google.com/books?id=uWX1GIqoJx0C&pg=PT320&lpg=PT320&dq=classic+signs+of+manual+strangulation&source=bl&ots=aJbQqQ_ay0&sig=D6osVPyHIA3tH2NwyQgxy2W3AfE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEYQ6AEwB2oVChMI8dvt967MyAIVx20eCh3TeAvr#v=on epage&q=classic%20signs%20of%20manual%20strangulation&f=false Classic signs of MS

https://books.google.com/books?id=rMMwNRk34vIC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=classic+signs+of+manual+strangulation&source=bl&ots=PNm5x5RPEt&sig=47qqEIvUB7xInu18QSybVMxSQz8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD4Q6AEwCDgKahUKEwi5lbahs8zIAhVCph4KHf1zDII#v =onepage&q=classic%20signs%20of%20manual%20strangulation&f=false Blunt trauma definitons

What differentiates manual strangulation from the other two types? https://quizlet.com/15050684/dimaio-lectures-flash-cards/

There are generally marks of violence (abrasians, contusion, fingernail marks, etc.). There are also usually injuries to the internal neck (musculature hemorrhage, fracture of hyoid/thyroid in older patients, etc.).

1. Hanging
2. Ligature strangulation
3. Manual strangulation

https://www.google.com/#q=visceral+congestion Chapter 8

https://www.google.com/#q=classic+signs+of+manual+strangulation&start=20 WEBMEDIA

https://www.google.com/#q=blood+in+positional+asphyxia AN OPINION OF EXCLUSION

https://www.google.com/#q=manual+strangulation+death+symptoms&start=30 Minnesota

https://books.google.com/books?id=oNsbKIeZpcQC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=face+swollen+from+decomposition&source=bl&ots=S9AvktJ9Bd&sig=52MOMCRcX7lFgP5DYnkxrowphas&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDQQ6AEwBWoVChMIrYOfwe3OyAIVQf5jCh2TOwnF#v=on epage&q=face%20swollen%20from%20decomposition&f=false Decomposition


https://www.google.com/search?q=kendrick+johnson&biw=1536&bih=728&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCJzsrveNz8gCFYY4iAod8U0JwQ#tbm=is ch&tbs=rimg%3ACag_1OczMzvXoIjiEbrNVBN0e0L4Q8IwOLz8YC8 RYpEO0EsU5ifr7ZGLpmKcz4iMJgSm45FwCBayQuDMJvegm0h1e-ioSCYRus1UE3R7QEXI7mubyEo58KhIJvhDwjA4vPxgR8FGU9pp OAz0qEgkLxFikQ7QSxRHNO442nJOpaCoSCTmJ-vtkYumYEVMyT44h65cUKhIJpzPiIwmBKbgRMqDW4fFIUdoqEgn kXAIFrJC4MxHTTk4eC6dE4yoSCQm96CbSHV76ERu0rwKOZ2lL&q=kendrick%20johnson%20open%20casket&imgrc=_ Autopsy photos

http://cdn.niketalk.com/1/12/500x1000px-LL-127a67fd_B7VgoraCQAQRPUF.jpeg Ligature marks

http://westjem.com/articles/olivier-syndrome-traumatic-asphyxia.html Recovered

https://books.google.com/books?id=JdtgE0eHTL4C&pg=PA202&lpg=PA202&dq=petechiae+in+asphyxia&source=bl&ots=Teidp-RRn7&sig=3z4H1J-khHWxMzJbTr_Mcxpx1bA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBTgKahUKEwiOi9_DtdHIAhWFGT4KHZhgAwE#v =onepage&q=petechiae%20in%20asphyxia&f=false Great page

https://books.google.com/books?id=B44fAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT1210&lpg=PT1210&dq=petechiae+in+positional+asphyxia&source=bl&ots=hhpnQvd7tv&sig=FQU0Tzo9HASh-4T7uo56PNrwVi8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD4Q6AEwCTgKahUKEwi4jMO_vNHIAhUMoIAKHb-nD2Q#v=onepage&q=petechiae%20in%20positional%20asphyxia&f=false Petechia Important

https://kjtheboywhodidntcomehome.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/kendrick-johnsons-death-and-conflicting-stories-paramedic-report-missing-clothing-extra-clothing-2-conflicting-coroner-reports/ Article/info

http://www.nature.com/nrcardio/journal/v2/n10/full/ncpcardio0319.html epicardial adipose tissue

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/untitledkj_zpskd6uobf3.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/untitledkj_zpskd6uobf3.png.html)

https://www.google.com/search?noj=1&biw=1536&bih=703&site=webhp&tbm=isch&q=kendrick+johnson+beaten&revid=704421587&sa=X&ved=0CCgQ1QJqFQoTCMOGvIDq7MgCFUzhJgodWyUC8w#imgrc= _ Beaten

All my posts on page 16 are factual and impossible to challenge. That's why you and others completely ignored them. The face being swollen was at least indirectly blamed on bloating which is false because the face was swollen less than 24 after death. That supports homicide, along with the defensive wounds and bloody shirt being ignored.

You WANT this to be an accident, and for that reason YOU have a limited point of view.

Biology and physics have not been tested.

If you really wanted to put those laws to the test, I suppose you could stuff your self in

a gym mat, see how well you fair...this is me thinking you won't because you couldn't fall in or out.

but if you're so ****ing sure...why wouldn't you?


Q. Dr. Wetli, I think you told us at your deposition that petechial hemorrhaging was found in 85 percent of the people that suffered traumatic asphyxia; is that correct?

A. No. In a study that we had done sometime earlier looking at 5,000 consecutive cases we found that 85 percent of the people who died, I believe it's from manual strangulation, had petechiae; but we did Q. Okay. Are there necessarily going to be petechial hemorrhages?
A. No. In probably 95 percent of the cases you get congestion of - you know, usually of the head and neck, and you get petechiae. But I've seen occasional cases where there have not been petechia.

frisco kid
10-21-2015, 05:48 PM
Suicide Or Lynching? FBI Probes Death Of Lennon Lacy. 17-Yr-Old NC Black Teen Found Hanging From Belt & Dog Leash That Didn't Belong To Him. Grave Desecrated (Video) - ThisIs50.com (http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blog/show?id=784568%3ABlogPost%3A33085056&commentId=784568%3AComment%3A33085316&xg_source=activity) lennon lacy

Motor vehicle-assisted ligature strangulation causing complete decapitation: an autopsy report. - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21455053) AR tongue bit

Autopsy: Rolesville boy, mother were strangled before house fire | WNCN (http://wncn.com/2016/02/24/autopsy-rolesville-boy-mother-died-from-strangulation/) kristy bryan

Soft Tissue Injury of the Neck - Health Library (http://www.sw.org/HealthLibrary?page=Soft%20Tissue%20Injury%20of%20t he%20Neck)


Causes of blunt injury may include:

• "Clothesline" injuries. This happens when someone is moving at high speed and runs into a clothesline, outstretched arm, or similar object. This results in a direct injury to the front of the neck. If the airway is blocked, it can cause suffocation due to lack of oxygen (asphyxiation) or even instant death.
• High-energy trauma. This includes injuries from motor vehicle crashes, falling from a great height, or heavy objects falling onto the neck.
• Sports-related injuries. Injury to the windpipe and voice box can result from being struck by another player or being struck by an object, such as a baseball, hockey stick, or an outstretched arm.

• Strangulation. This type of injury may cause skin trauma, hoarseness of voice, or broken cartilage in the voice box or windpipe. It may also cause a serious airway problem.



• Pain and tenderness in the neck.

• Swelling of the neck and face.

https://books.google.com/books?id=kSnSBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA356&lpg=PA356&dq=face+swelling+from+strangulation&source=bl&ots=oyqVJm-AOF&sig=QFMP8dz10XiYDLvRTAgklfYoZ5s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ6AEwATgUahUKEwjvxs3vm9TIAhXSv4AKHXSxCiE#v =onepage&q=face%20swelling%20from%20strangulation&f=false Face swelling

https://www.google.com/#q=positional+asphyxia+autopsy+report PA Reflection/Homicide
-Case Report Positional Asphyxia: An Opinion of...

https://www.crimescene.com/suicide/evidence.autopsy.php Ligature autopsy

https://www.google.com/#q=strangulation+autopsy+report&start=10 AR Omaha

http://www.buffalonews.com/second_autopsy_on_wienckowski_shows_beating_strang ulation.html Fake AR

http://aboutforensics.co.uk/forensic-pathology/ Vomit

https://www.google.com/search?noj=1&biw=1536&bih=703&site=webhp&tbm=isch&q=kendrick+johnson+beaten&revid=704421587&sa=X&ved=0CCgQ1QJqFQoTCMOGvIDq7MgCFUzhJgodWyUC8w#imgrc= _ Beaten

https://books.google.com/books?id=4qhjZ4HwW3UC&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=positional+asphyxia+victims+images&source=bl&ots=9c5j4tiSWA&sig=oEFkwoMZxuYXUpYPD95r59O4NVg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBGoVChMIuKaCkfHtyAIVBSgmCh26eQOm#v=on epage&q=positional%20asphyxia%20victims%20images&f=false strangulation


With complete and sustained obstruction of both jugular
– 20-30 seconds causes petechiae above the point of constriction
– 2 minutes to full unconsciousness
– another 2 minutes of sustained unconsciousness until death
• With complete obstruction of the mouth and nose by
suffocation, same approximate time interval, but petechiae
become generalized throughout the body, rather than just
isolated to the head.


A petechial hemorrhage is a tiny pinpoint red mark that is an important sign of asphyxia caused by some external means of obstructing the airways. They are sometimes also called petechiae. Their presence often indicates a death by manual strangulation, hanging, or smothering. The hemorrhages occur when blood leaks from the tiny capillaries in the eyes, which can rupture due to increased pressure on the veins in the head when the airways are obstructed. If petechial hemorrhages and facial congestion are present, it is a strong indication of asphyxia by strangulation as the cause of death.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/11/01/lawyer-for-georgia-teen-found-dead-in-gym-mat-raises-cover-up-concern.html clothes


http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/11/us/kendrick-johnson-rally-complaint/ organs


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/09/13/audio-tapes-reveal-new-information-on-natalie-woods-death/ Natalie Wood

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/disbarred-lawyer-faces-sentencing-kidnap-once-called-hoax-055824912.html hoax

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/wikileaks-publish-1000s-says-cia-documents-141815829.html wikileaks

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&tbs=rimg%3ACag_1OczMzvXoIjiEbrNVBN0e0L4Q8IwOLz8YC8 RYpEO0EsU5ifr7ZGLpmKcz4iMJgSm45FwCBayQuDMJvegm0h1e-ioSCYRus1UE3R7QEXI7mubyEo58KhIJvhDwjA4vPxgR8FGU9pp OAz0qEgkLxFikQ7QSxRHNO442nJOpaCoSCTmJ-vtkYumYEVMyT44h65cUKhIJpzPiIwmBKbgRMqDW4fFIUdoqEgn kXAIFrJC4MxHTTk4eC6dE4yoSCQm96CbSHV76ERu0rwKOZ2lL&q=kendrick%20johnson%20open%20casket&imgrc=_&ei=omwqVteOLseGmQGeqLf4AQ&emsg=NCSR&noj=1#emsg=NCSR&imgrc=_ Open casket

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https://kjmemorial.wordpress.com/ Witnesses

Raw Video of Kendrick Johnson at school before his death | Video | 11alive.com (http://archive.11alive.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2785770688001) Entering gym
Re-NewsIt!: CNN and Victor Blackwell play EDITED video of Kendrick Johnson in Gym (http://www.re-newsit.com/2013/10/cnn-and-victor-blackwell-play-edited.html)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/10/24/a-high-school-teacher-helps-clarify-socialism-for-donald-trump-and-you/ Socialism

frisco kid
10-27-2015, 05:00 PM
• Petechiae—tiny red spots due to ruptured capillaries—are a signature injury of strangulation. At times, they may only be found under the eyelids, but they may also be found around the eyes and anywhere on the face and neck, including the victim’s scalp. Petechiae can be present in a pattern easily mistaken for a rash. Blood-red eyes, the result of ruptured capillaries in the white part of the eyes, are indicative of a “particularly vigorous struggle between the victim and assailant.”3

MBBS Medicine (Humanity First): ASPHYXIAL DEATHS (http://medicinembbs.blogspot.com/2011/08/asphyxial-deaths.html)

https://books.google.com/books?id=AUTWJwn8uOwC&pg=PA124&lpg=PA124&dq=cyanosis+in+positional+asphyxia&source=bl&ots=PT0tW2OADR&sig=WpDBaOz14OhOgAWTHgcPwCFcyVk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBTgKahUKEwjg6Mzpg9zIAhUC1CYKHa1YBUc#v =onepage&q=cyanosis%20in%20positional%20asphyxia&f=false PA: all cases have congestion

https://books.google.com/books?id=InUxAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=bleeding+from+nose+from+strangulation&source=bl&ots=uZASN3SckO&sig=K-Qoebx2yyaksLHI3BdKaCwHh20&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCWoVChMIjtjs5ZHeyAIVyms-Ch1Eqwjj#v=onepage&q=bleeding%20from%20nose%20from%20strangulation&f=false bleeding/mouth and nose

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Subject to the jurisdiction thereof definitely includes every single person in the U.S. here for any amount of time. If you break the law you can and will be charged. If they come here illegally the government can and should deport you along with any children conceived within our borders or not. The anchor baby myth is nothing but nonsense made up by the courts, and has no bearing in reality as it pertains to the 14th amendment. No logical argument has ever been made for a child born to illegal aliens that anchors not only the child but the illegal alien parents. The claim is absurd on its face. The 14th amendment most certainly denies birthright citizenship to children born of foreign or alien parents. That is far more clear with modern immigration law.

There are no appositives in this sentence. There are four clauses and the first of which is an independent/main clause. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States. The three clauses that follow tell us more about who exactly the persons/children are, who aren't citizens at birth. No clause in the sentence replaces another clause. Most clauses, such as the three that follow are incomplete thoughts, therefore, need the main clause to make sense. The who clauses modify the noun persons.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlv7rWn9ZW8 Hilarious video

Guide to the Constitution (http://www.heritage.org/constitution#!/amendments/14/essays/167/citizenship)

In 1898, the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark declared that the Fourteenth Amendment adopted the common-law definition of birthright citizenship. Chief Justice Melville W. Fuller's dissenting opinion, however, argued that birthright citizenship had been repealed by the principles of the American Revolution and rejected by the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment. Nonetheless, the decision conferred birthright citizenship on a child of legal residents of the United States. Although the language of the majority opinion in Wong Kim Ark is certainly broad enough to include the children born in the United States of illegal as well as legal immigrants, there is no case in which the Supreme Court has explicitly held that this is the unambiguous command of the Fourteenth Amendment.


https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What__Subject_to_the_Jurisdiction_Thereof__Really_ Means_itandapos_s_time_for_some_change_/5-848891/


Therefore, it does not require a leap of faith to understand what persons, other than citizens themselves, under the Fourteenth Amendment are citizens of the United States by birth: Those aliens who have come with the intent to become U.S. citizens, who had first compiled with the laws of naturalization in declaring their intent and renounce all prior allegiances.

Sen. Trumbull further restates the the goal of the language: “It is only those persons who come completely within our jurisdiction, who are subject to our laws, that we think of making citizens…” He could only be referring to the laws of naturalization and consent to expatriation by the immigrant in order for him to come completely within the jurisdiction of the United States and its laws, i.e., he cannot be a subject of another nation.

"Birthright Citizenship": Politics v Rule of Law - Tea Party Nation (http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blogs/birthright-citizenship-politics-v-rule-of-law-2?xg_source=activity)

"SUBJECT TO JURISDICTION THEREOF"? (http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/03/subject-to-jurisdiction-thereof/)

Anchor babies, birthright citizenship, and the 14th Amendment (http://www.cairco.org/book/export/html/267)


http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/which_that_who_comma_or_not.htm That/who/commas


http://grammarpolice.livejournal.com/3514846.html?page=1 appositive/defining clause/join


An appositive is shorter than a relative clauses. It seems to be a derived relative clause because the wh-word and the verb be are deleted. Most appositives are derived from nonrestrictive relative clauses but there are also restrictive appositives:

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.




An appositive phrase does not have a subject and predicate, therefore, it is not a complete sentence.



Appositives do not usually begin with relative pronouns or adverbs.
Adjective Clauses always begin with relative pronouns or adverbs.


As a noun phrase, an appositive does not have a subject or predicate, and is not a complete thought.



An adjective clause, like other clauses, contains a subject and a verb but cannot stand by itself as a complete sentence. It is a subordinate clause that modifies a noun or a pronoun in the main clause and is usually connected to the word it modifies by one of the relative pronouns ( who, whose, whom, which, or that ) or relative adverbs ( when, where, or why ).
An adjective clause usually follows the word it modifies and tells what kind or which one.



An adjective clause is a dependent clause that modifies or describes a noun (person, place, or thing). Adjective clauses often begin with a relative pronoun (who, whom, which, whose, or that) or a relative adverb (when, where, why). You can tell the difference between a noun clause and an adjective clause because the adjective clause can be removed without impacting the meaning of the sentence.


Relative clauses are not the same as appositives, though they may convey the same information. Relative clauses begin with a relative pronoun and have a verb in the clause. Appositives are simple phrases, no verb.


frisco kid
10-29-2015, 07:03 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/derrick.raley?hc_ref=SEARCH erika raley

English Grammar Explanations - Relative clauses (http://esl.fis.edu/grammar/rules/relative.htm)

Relative pronouns are associated as follows with their preceding noun:

Preceding noun Relative pronoun Examples a person who(m)/that, whose - Do you know the girl who ..

- He was a man that ..
- An orphan is a child whose parents ..
a thing which†/that, whose - Do you have a computer which ..
- The oak a tree that ..
- This is a book whose author ..


If the relative pronoun is followed by a verb, the relative pronoun is a subject pronoun. Subject pronouns must always be used.

Types of Clauses: Noun, Adverbial, & Relative Clauses - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com (http://study.com/academy/lesson/types-of-clauses-noun-adverbial-relative-clauses.html)

Relative Clause

There are three main types of dependent clauses: relative, noun, and adverbial.

A relative clause is an adjective clause that describes the noun. It is important to remember that a relative clause is not a complete thought! They are used in sentences to further describe the noun.

You can identify a relative clause by looking for three main components:
1.It will contain a subject and a verb.

2.It will begin with a relative pronoun or relative adverb. These would include 'who,' 'whom,' 'whose,' 'that,' and 'which' for a pronoun and 'when,' 'where,' or 'why' for an adverb. Looking for these signal words can help you identify this type of clause!

3.The relative clause will function as an adjective, answering questions about the noun, such as: 'Which one?' 'What kind?' 'How many?'

What Is a Predicate? (http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/sentences/what/what-is-a-predicate.html)

Defining a Predicate

Simply put, the predicate of a sentence is the part that modifies the subject in some way. Because the subject is the person, place, or thing that a sentence is about, the predicate must contain a verb explaining what the subject does.

What are Predicates? - Definition and Examples - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com (http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-predicates-definition-and-examples.html) Predicate

http://www.lebanon.k12.mo.us/lhs/faculty/croden/ACT%20Prep%20Class/The%20'Essential'%20Comma%20Rules.html clause definitions

http://www.write.com/writing-guides/general-writing/grammar/appositives/ write.com


An appositive is shorter than a relative clauses. It seems to be a derived relative clause because the wh-word and the verb be are deleted. Most appositives are derived from nonrestrictive relative clauses but there are also restrictive appositives:


An appositive is essentially a modifying clause from which a relative pronoun and a linking verb have been removed. Appositives are commonly used for combining ideas. In writing, we usually set them off with a pair of commas.

Supriya, who is an accomplished dancer, is my neighbor’s daughter.

Supriya, an accomplished dancer, is my neighbor’s daughter.

This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.

HC blames Benghazi attack on stupid youtube video.

Who’s lying, Hillary or members of several Benghazi victims’ families? | Power Line (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/whos-lying-hillary-or-members-of-several-benghazi-victims-families.php)


Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas nursing home operator, told NBC's Lisa Myers she was raped by Clinton.

Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969.

In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college.

In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident.

Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.

Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.

The list goes on and on and on.....

Why would you vote for a woman that would put up with this POS

Long ago, humorists Mark Twain and Will Rogers distrusted politicians who lied and became rich. They would jab the politicians with humor. For decades, Americans celebrated these humorists.

No red-blooded American wanted to help corrupt politicians fleece the citizens. We were too street-wise for that.

Now something has changed. Now the dishonest, rich, establishment politician can be the favorite with voters.

Odd. Something has happened. It is a new, confused, gullible country. Now the carnival salesman sees the citizens as easy marks who buy colored water. Promise the citizens the sky, get their dollars/votes, and the salesman/politician can walk off with big money.

It is the encore of Animal Farm. The corrupt politicians get rich while they pillage the country.

frisco kid
11-01-2015, 09:55 PM
State Department emails conflict with Clinton’s Benghazi testimony | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/02/state-department-emails-conflict-with-clintons-benghazi-testimony/?ref=yfp) CLINTON EMAILS

New Emails: Benghazi Cover Story Continues to Unravel (http://cnsnews.com/commentary/helle-dale/new-emails-benghazi-cover-story-continues-unravel?ref=yfp) Benghazi attack

https://books.google.com/books?id=OvHNwdaj-qoC&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=appositive+relative+clauses+with+who&source=bl&ots=ld12C4ZWD8&sig=mMmgnK2USBGlcDVswClNXJbe1aU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBjgKahUKEwijw4GR-O_IAhXH6CYKHaUdDSM#v=onepage&q=appositive%20relative%20clauses%20with%20who&f=false 48,65,168

Tim Stowell, Appositive and parenthetical relative clauses - PhilPapers (http://philpapers.org/rec/STOAAP-2) Appositive and parenthetical relative clauses

https://www.google.com/#q=appositive+relative+clauses+with+who&start=50 Head relative clauses

3.1. A little history The earliest generative approach to relative clauses is the Determiner-S analysis (Smith, 1964, 69): a determiner selects a restrictive relative marker and/or an appositive relative marker; the marker(s) is shifted to the right of the noun and adjoined to the NP node, and a relative clause is adjoined to its left, yielding the liner order: Det-N-relative clause. The restrictive relative marker allows for recursive adjunction, which yields stacked restrictive relatives; the appositive marker always occurs to the right of the restrictive one, thus accounting for the fact that an appositive relative follows any restrictive relative:

(29) The man that came to dinner, who was drunk, fainted.


Sinatra’s family has steadfastly refused to give any DNA to Lyma following the crooner’s death in 1998. Survivors finally relented in December 2002, cutting Lyma into the estate for $100,000 – but made no admissions to her lineage.

“All I wanted to do was talk to him, touch his hand, and tell him that I understood, that I had survived and was OK,” Lyma said. “But [Sinatra’s family] wouldn’t allow it. They seemed to be so terrified of me.”

Tom Lyma had a daughter by a previous marriage, and Julie Lyma had believed that woman – Joan Malvino – was her half-sister. Lyma said she and Malvino, now 71, gave their DNA to a California lab in 2004, and scientists concluded there’s a 99.22 percent chance they’re not related – proving at least that Julie Lyma’s father was not Tom Lyma.


https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&tbs=rimg%3ACU6QU1sOfvAtIjiroKdp5rC_1qMqYkvFdpdNnsf HMIZlt3gWKuQ0tYetxHnGdnb_1LgG84KJHy5jIZc7Bq-xuJY-rnzioSCaugp2nmsL-oETOaBEh_194e6KhIJypiS8V2l02cR-PRYzmgstf8qEgmx8cwhmW3eBRErLBaglaNmqSoSCYq5DS1h63E eEWvHaV_1_1XE-RKhIJcZ2dv8uAbzgRw7NifxaWVoIqEgkokfLmMhlzsBFzNYl52 _1iDsyoSCWr7G4lj6ufOEZFZ_1yZ8iIRS&q=ronan%20farrow%20recent%20photos&ved=0CAkQ9C9qFQoTCMTB-aiIgMkCFYPsJgodVSkKeA&dpr=1.25&biw=1536&bih=703#imgrc=_ ronan


Dylan "Malone" Farrow (b. 1985, a. 1985)

Dylan was born in Texas and adopted by Mia in 1985 after her attempts to conceive a child naturally with Woody were unfruitful. Woody formally adopted Dylan in 1991. Like some of Mia's other children, Dylan changed her name several times (first to Eliza, then to Malone), which Mia attributes to maybe being "an Irish thing."

http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/frank-sinatra?excludenudity=true&family=editorial&page=59&phrase=frank%20sinatra&sort=best GETTY

The Cobains are a profound example of prepotency. Frances, almost exclusively looks like her father Kurt, and I'm sure she thanks God every day for that. Ronan Farrow resembles both of his parents, but apparently favors Frank Sinatra in adulthood.


11-05-2015, 04:40 PM
1. Apology: A statement of contrition for an action, or a defense of one
2. Aught: All, or nothing
3. Bill: A payment, or an invoice for payment
4. Bolt: To secure, or to flee
5. Bound: Heading to a destination, or restrained from
75 Contronyms (Words with Contradictory Meanings) (http://www.dailywritingtips.com/75-contronyms-words-with-contradictory-meanings/)


frisco kid
11-26-2015, 04:41 PM
Delusional Parasitosis and Me - The Baffler (http://thebaffler.com/odds-and-ends/delusional-parasitosis-and-me)

Not All Exterminator Dogs Are Perfect in Sniffing Out Bedbugs - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/exterminator-dogs-perfect-sniffing-bedbugs/story?id=23638950)

Still, four out of 11 dogs we met got it wrong, and alerted to bedbugs in the home even though there were none.

Dog gave false negative « Got Bed Bugs? Bedbugger Forums (http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/dog-gave-false-negative)

I know we still have a problem, no matter how hard the landlord is trying to tell me "You don't have bed bugs". The problem is that I would prefer the apartment complex pays for any treatment (as I don't have $2000 laying around as a recent college grad), but they refuse to treat until I have "more evidence than a bug in a bag and a few bite marks".

Bed Bug Dogs and False Negatives « Got Bed Bugs? Bedbugger Forums (http://bedbugger.com/forum/topic/bed-bug-dogs-and-false-negatives)

I am really starting to wonder about bed bug dogs. I had one in and he cleared the place, but am getting bitten on my shoulders and upper back and do think my vikane treatment failed. I thought at first fleas, but no bites on the ankles or waist. Which totally blows. Basically, at this point, I trust no one to detect and/or rid a bedbug infestation. For those who get rid of them, it's luck or having enough money or power you know a pco who will do a thorough job. Otherwise, we're all screwed, and I see no reason why a dog would be able to sniff out one or two stray eggs or one bug. The bugs make a scent after being established and having the scent of human blood excrement in their nest, not merely by existing.


Mr. Peruyero, the dog trainer, is pushing for scent-detection dogs to be certified through an independent oversight board, the National Entomology Scent Detection Canine Association. But there is factionalism and fighting in the industry, said Philip G. Koehler, an entomologist at the University of Florida, over which association, if any, should certify the dogs.

“The bedbug thing has grown so rapidly that it’s grown ahead of the regulations,” Professor Koehler said.


It was too good to be true. Gradually, reports surfaced of embarrassing canine detection gaffes, false positives as well as false negatives. The University of Nebraska spent $400,000 treating 197 dorm rooms in which dogs alerted to odors, but physical bedbug traces were confirmed in just eighteen cases. Field studies of working dogs indicate that mistakes are the rule, not the exception. A Rutgers entomologist invited seven commercial dog teams to inspect New Jersey apartments that had been rigorously vetted for bedbugs. The results were nothing to wag tails about—false positives ranged up to 38 percent. “We’ve never seen a dog that does not give false alerts,” the entomologist, Changlu Wang, told me. Lots of things can throw them off: food odors, residues from pets, or just a bad day. One dog with a perfect record the first day dropped to less than 50 percent accuracy the next. Even more disconcerting, correct detection rates—dogs alerting in an apartment that definitely had bugs—averaged only 43 percent. Three heavy infestations were missed by all the dogs.

Then again, sometimes it’s the dog that manipulates the handler. The training regimen is all too simple: the dogs are made to hunt for hidden vials of live bedbugs and are fed only when they correctly alert to them. Sounds foolproof, but out on a job a savvy, hungry dog might reason as follows: if I don’t alert at this bed, I won’t get fed; if I do, I might get fed. That logic holds up even if the dog smells nothing in particular, especially if the handler doesn’t visually verify; in that case, Koehler warns, “the dog eventually outsmarts the handler to get a reward.” Mind games can dominate an inspection. Here’s how one handler posting on Bedbugger.com described his moody relationship with his partner:

I attribute [false positives] to elevated stress levels (mine) that induced self-rewarding behaviors (hers). Something like I was allowing her to use her brains (watching me, tension on the leash, etc.) during the inspection not her nose. . . . False negatives I attribute to me, again under stress I would tend to change my pace (typically going too fast and not allowing her to go where she needs to go).


Do Bedbug Dogs Work?

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but bedbug dogs are not as accurate as you might believe. I know, I know… that University of Florida clinical study from 2008? It’s proof positive, right? Well, sure, the numbers were huge, but the 98 percent accuracy rate doesn’t actually have anything to do with how any particular company’s dog might perform here in the real world.

In fact, the dirty little secret is that false positives by bedbug dogs are rampant in the industry, owing to poor training of dog or handler. The dog might be reacting to cues from the handler, or wanting a treat. Not to sound conspiratorial here, but let’s say that a company tells you its dog has detected bedbugs in your apartment… doesn’t it stand to benefit financially from the extermination costs? So a false positive would work in the exterminator’s favor.



Its a shame people cant hire a pest control company to conduct visual inspections with proper results. I guess that is why I dont do free inspections. I cant give up 4 hours of my time with the inspection and travel for free. But 10 minutes . To sell a job, well sure! But I have a heart . So called Bed Bug experts who post on this site .. have missed infestations 3 people including the owner with a 4 month old infestation missed it. I was called in .. and found bed bug evidence in .. no bull****! 3 minutes.

Is this a bedbug? | The CO2 Bedbug Trap (http://julesnoise.com/is-this-a-bedbug/)

It is a myth that bed bugs can live for a year without feeding, it can only occur in cold temperatures and never in heated human dwellings

At temperatures of 55F, without ant activity and feeding, they live about five months.

At temperatures of 68F,without activity and feeding, they live about three months.

Alvero Romaro, University of Kentucky performed experiments where colonies of bedbugs were placed in an unoccupied building at 68F and recorded their behavior with time lapse cameras. The bed bugs didn’t forage or feed and the study gave a normal mortality rate of 92 days (average)

Is this a bedbug? | The CO2 Bedbug Trap (http://julesnoise.com/is-this-a-bedbug/)

Bed bug detection dogs are trained to pinpoint infestations, with an unproven possible accuracy rate of 97.5%, based upon tests conducted under controlled conditions by researchers paid by pest management companies. The success rates in these tests does not reflect real-world success rates of pest companies’ dogs, operating with many more variables in the field and are much lower and unreliable.

frisco kid
01-10-2016, 10:55 PM
What is JURISDICTION? What is JURISDICTION? definition of JURISDICTION (Black's Law Dictionary) (http://thelawdictionary.org/jurisdiction/)

The power and authority constitutionally conferred upon (or constitutionally recognized as existing in) a court or judge to pronounce the sentence of the law, or to award the remedies provided by law, upon a state of facts, proved or ad- mitted, referred to the tribunal for decision, and authorized by law to be the subject of investigation or action by that tribunal, and in favor of or against persons (or a res) who present themselves, or who are brought, before the court in some manner sanctioned by law as proper and sufficient. 1 Black, Judgm.

What is FOREIGNER? What is FOREIGNER? definition of FOREIGNER (Black's Law Dictionary) (http://thelawdictionary.org/foreigner/)

In old English law, this term, when used with reference to a particular city, designated any person who was not an inhabitant of that city. According to laterusage, it denotes a person who is not a citizen or subject of the state or country of which mention is made, or any one owing allegiance to a foreign state or sovereign. For the distinctions, in Spanish law, between "domiciliated" and "transient" foreigners,see Yates v. lams, 10 Tex. 108.

What is ALIEN? What is ALIEN, N? definition of ALIEN, N (Black's Law Dictionary) (http://thelawdictionary.org/alien-n/)

A foreigner ; one born abroad; a person resident in one country, but owing allegiance to another. In England, one born out of the allegiance of the king. In the United States, one born out of the jurisdiction of the United States, and who has not been naturalized under their constitution and laws. 2 Kent, Comm. 50; Ex parte Dawson, 3 Bradf. Sur. (N. Y.) 130; Lynch v. Clarke. 1 Sandf. Ch. (N. Y.) 068; Lyons v. State, 67 Cal. 380, 7 Pac. 703.

What "Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof" Really Means (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2139082/posts)

Pipelow (in his own words) only assumes the body slid out because when he walked to the other side part of his body was out. This differs with the detective's notes on Pipelow. He makes sure we know that KJ slid out of the mat while it was being set down. Both of his arms were below his head and that's important. The width of his shoulders would prevent his body from sliding out, not to mention the shoes being crammed against his legs.

It appears that KJ's killers wanted the body found in a position consistent with a PA death but the cops disagreed, possibly because people might think if he got out that far then he could've gotten completely out. The crammed shoes would secure the body from moving and prevent gravity from tipping the mat.

"About 2 ft down the inner hole" matches the position it was photographed on the ground. That combined with the crammed shoes, pretty much seals the deal as to what position the body was really found in. Kendrick Johnson's upper body was sticking out of the mat in the vertical down position and was secured by his tennis shoes he wore when entering the gym. They likely thought it too crazy to photograph it that way and decided to have a teacher pull it down and pretend he slid out. Great plan, if not for those damn shoes.

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/kj6pipelow_zpsltq3dlwn.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/kj6pipelow_zpsltq3dlwn.png.html)

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/G1hpEk_zpsvldsnoge.jpg~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/G1hpEk_zpsvldsnoge.jpg.html)

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/c6de5b9f-64a4-40d0-a07e-37c701ce1aba_zpsidm4x7cr.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/c6de5b9f-64a4-40d0-a07e-37c701ce1aba_zpsidm4x7cr.png.html)

frisco kid
04-06-2016, 04:07 PM
https://wfxl.com/news/local/body-of-student-found-at-lowndes-county-high-school?id=846762 IMP

KJ Autopsy Report: http://valdosta.sgaonline.com/2010vdt/pdfs/kendrick-johnson.pdf

Second Autopsy Report: http://valdosta.sgaonline.com/2010vdt/pdfs/KJohnson_second_autopsy.pdf

Crime Report: Kendrick Johnson Death Mystery: Top 10 Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com (http://heavy.com/news/2013/10/kendrick-johnson-georgia-mat-death-conspiracy/)

Incident Report: https://www.scribd.com/doc/181050020/Lowndes-County-Incident-Report-pdf

Signs of Struggle: http://cdn.niketalk.com/3/38/381b0de6_B7UXBxWCQuAI3j5-.jpg_large.jpeg


https://40.media.tumblr.com/96ae6c547672fca7ab8419862198370a/tumblr_o3qlrjnK3g1svxhvyo1_500.jpg left arm

http://www.santoshraut.com/forensic/ASPHYXIA.htm PA

http://valdostatoday.com/2014/10/kendrick-johnson-case-presented-to-public/ shoe under head

http://journals.lww.com/amjforensicmedicine/Abstract/publishahead/Positional_Asphyxia__Death_Due_to_Unusual.99404.as px PA Case

http://howmed.net/forensic/asphyxia-and-its-types/ PA

2. In manual strangulation, arterial supply is not hampered while venous drainage of head and neck is obstructed, leading to more leakage of fluid from veins. This results in bulging of eyes, protrusion of tongue, edema and congestion
3. Cyanosis is most commonly seen on the face, i.e. bluish discoloration of face due to reduced oxygenated hemoglobin.

http://www.weirdworm.com/5-bizarre-cases-of-positional-asphyxia/?full=1 David Blaine

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/face/stateface/ia/05ia042.html PA death

http://cbs4local.com/news/local/woman-on-trial-for-allegedly-causing-the-death-of-her-2-month-old-son Upside down baby death

http://www.icfmt.net/journal/vol3no3/positional_asphyxia.htm """ autopsy

http://www.postindependent.com/article/20071107/VALLEYNEWS/71106013 PA death


http://www.dreamindemon.com/2013/01/16/kendrick-johnson-dies-at-school-after-getting-stuck-upside-down-in-rolled-up-wrestling-mat/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheDreaminDemon+%28The+Dreami n%27+Demon%29 They don’t know for sure, but investigators believe Johnson was trying to retrieve a shoe. “We feel like he was trying to reach a shoe that was down that hole,” Lowndes County Sheriff Chris Prine said, “but no one knows (why he reached into the mat) but him and the good Lord.”

http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/hanging symptoms

I guess the cops had no idea how or why KJ ended up dead inside a foam mat.


They don’t know for sure, but investigators believe Johnson was trying to retrieve a shoe. “We feel like he was trying to reach a shoe that was down that hole,” Lowndes County Sheriff Chris Prine said, “but no one knows (why he reached into the mat) but him and the good Lord.”

good enough for government work

Probably not the best, but what the hell, at least we got the job done to minimally acceptable standards.


To conclude, positional asphyxia as a means of death
must be taken into account in cases featuring the following
conditions: the position of the body must hinder the normal
exchange of respiratory gases; there must be a reason why it
was impossible to change this position; other causes of
natural or violent death must be excluded.

Positional asphyxia can explain the cause of death in
various circumstances when autopsy does not reveal significant

frisco kid
04-11-2016, 06:26 PM

Positional Asphyxia.”

According to the U.S. National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health, positional asphyxia is, “a fatal condition arising because of the adoption of particular body positions, causing mechanical interference with pulmonary ventilation.”

In other words, a person is placed into a position where they cannot breathe. This condition, “Can occur in various circumstances that are likely to come under the observation of the specialist in legal medicine (work, car accidents, torture, kidnapping, etc.)…The diagnosis of positional asphyxia is essentially based on 3 criteria: the body position must obstruct normal gas exchange , it must be impossible to move to another position, and other causes of natural or violent death must be excluded.”

Woman died after A380 car crash | Torquay Herald Express (http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/Woman-died-A380-car-crash/story-12348438-detail/story.html)

Nutty Putty Cave tragedy and bookcase accident. | Donna Barstow -- The Opposite of Wrong (http://opedcartoons.com/2009/11/27/nutty-putty-cave-death-positional-asphyxia/) [B]Took a day to die

John Jones died in a cave, but his widow emerged from the darkness | Deseret News (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865616346/John-Jones-died-in-a-cave-but-his-widow-emerged-from-the-darkness.html?pg=all) """

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=8810404 """

http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/home/50073473-76/john-cave-tunnel-josh.html.csp """

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/man-trapped-utah-cave-limited-time-doctors/story?id=9184843 """

https://40.media.tumblr.com/96ae6c547672fca7ab8419862198370a/tumblr_o3qlrjnK3g1svxhvyo1_500.jpg rare photo

https://cutthroathippiegang.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/b56d8-11111325_1570478469899466_687606147_n.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1 """

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=91749&d=1460317093 Pipelow

http://cdn.mx7.com/i/a27/G1hpEk.jpg 2 Feet

https://localtvktvi.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/s028054735.jpg """

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qw5A11KoIiU/hqdefault.jpg """ better angle

https://amovingtarget.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/m-s-t-3-no-caption.jpg scrunged up shirt

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H2Ywfr-BoXo/maxresdefault.jpg bloody shirt

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=91794&d=1460391844 Pipelow different account

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2303549.1437769196!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/mat25n-4-web.jpg shoe embed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487868/EXCLUSIVE-Best-friend-gym-mat-boy-sent-threat-end-body-bag-just-hours-teens-mysterious-death.html FB threat

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/04/article-2411758-1BA06CA2000005DC-277_1024x615_large.jpg shoe embed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206323/Man-dies-spending-night-hanging-upside-got-foot-stuck-rappelling-Utah-canyon.html Upside down death

http://legmed.ro/system/revista/32/225-228.pdf restraint death

http://www.rjlm.ro/system/revista/31/157-160.pdf """

http://globalcrimehouse.tumblr.com/post/124243518164/kendrick-johnson-case-johnsons-body-was-found big pic

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/dan-zupansky1/2013/06/20/until-someone-gets-hurt-tyson-wrensch teeth knocked out

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2016/02/04/andrea-debruhl-died-while-playing-on-school-monkey-bars/ accident


As I reached the correct mat, I looked down the inner hole created from rolling the mat and saw his feet with white socks no shoes about 2 feet down the inner hole. I reached grabbed one of his ankles hoping for a response. There was none, and I knew he was lifeless at that point.

Thanks, Jeanna! Let me change the subject a bit and see if we can explore some of these PA type deaths. Some interesting things out there and obviously being upside down is bad news, but you'd be surprised at how some have survived.

A baby...NO WAY. Yes way. 14 hours later. http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/09/us/uta...submerged-car/

This case is awful, but a lot people tried really hard to save him. Died about 28 hours later. He was really trapped.


http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/04ef1c70-3708-466f-95a9-af823faeb91d_zpstqsyjrqu.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/04ef1c70-3708-466f-95a9-af823faeb91d_zpstqsyjrqu.png.html)


frisco kid
04-13-2016, 06:24 PM
Have you read the thread yet, Frank? I'm assuming you haven't if you thought the "wide net" lawsuit the parents filed was the first lawsuit. If you want to discuss this here, you really should.

Why did you not respond to or acknowledge my previous post to you about the Bell brothers and the lawsuits? Do you still believe the parents' claims?

Kraft's autopsy report clearly says there are "congestive-decomposition changes of the head, neck, torso and bilateral upper extremities." Bilateral upper extremities include his arms. What you say might be road rash is congestive-decomposition changes. She would not list those under "injuries," because they're not injuries.

Please directly quote the part where Kraft is "lying" about blood on his shirt. I don't see what you're talking about. Are you talking about the part where she says there's no intravascular blood? That's because it's purge fluids, which is different than intravascular blood.

The crime lab report was put together by a criminalist, James Thornton, who does not have medical training, so it's not surprising he refers to purge fluids as "blood." He's a crime scene investigator, not a medical expert.

Interestingly, both Kraft and Thornton were named in the huge lawsuit by the family as being in on the "cover-up" (but were later removed from the lawsuit by a judge). According to the family, neither Kraft nor Thornton can be trusted, so if they don't believe Thornton did his job right, why do you?

Why do you need people to investigate this with you? Do you not have confidence in the federal investigation being conducted by the U.S Attorney?


The defensive wounds and bloody shirt suggest homicide. Kraft lied about those wounds not existing and that by itself is proof of homicide. The face was swollen less than 24 hours after death. That is consistent with homicide. Bloating doesn't occur until 3-4 days after death. There's never been any evidence of an accident in this case and there never will be. The blood is visible on his right collar, a bunch on his left, and the back was covered in dried blood. The shirt was scrunched up in the back. The clothes went missing because they proved KJ was murdered.

There wasn't and normally aren't any physical signs of decompositon 24 hours after death. That photo was taken on the gym floor the next day. His right arm was full of defensive wounds not recorded by Kraft because they didn't fit with the accident hoax.

That's a last ditch excuse. They ****ing destroyed KJ, but not without a fight. He fought back, but could not overcome his assailants, unfortunately. Kendrick Johnson's death is consistent with some type of homicidal asphyxiation. This account was about 21 hours after he was last seen alive.

The paragraph starts with: On January 11, 2013 at 10:32 am. https://www.scribd.com/doc/181050020/Lowndes-County-Incident-Report-pdf

"The facial area was severely disfigured and swollen."

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Initial Stage The Stages of the Human Decomposition Process | Education - Seattle PI (http://education.seattlepi.com/stages-human-decomposition-process-4705.html)

For the first 24 to 72 hours, the body undergoes very little observable change. Liquids settle in the tissues, creating lividity, or discoloration on whichever side of the body faces downwards. Rigor mortis locks tendons and muscles in place, and enzymes begin triggering cells to die and break down. Aerobic bacteria inside the body use up the available oxygen and create an ideal environment for the proliferation of anaerobic bacteria which do not require oxygen. Insects may also begin to lay eggs in and on the corpse.

Causes of blunt injury may include: Soft Tissue Injury of the Neck - Health Library (http://www.sw.org/HealthLibrary?page=Soft%20Tissue%20Injury%20of%20t he%20Neck)

Strangulation. This type of injury may cause skin trauma, hoarseness of voice, or broken cartilage in the voice box or windpipe. It may also cause a serious airway problem.


Pain and tenderness in the neck.

Swelling of the neck and face.

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frisco kid
04-15-2016, 03:06 PM


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UNTIL SOMEONE GETS HURT-Tyson Wrensch 06/19 by True Murder | Books Podcasts (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/dan-zupansky1/2013/06/20/until-someone-gets-hurt-tyson-wrensch) teeth knocked out

Teen Dies At Sleepover After Being Placed In Chokehold While Wrestling - The Dreamin Demon (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2015/10/07/teen-dies-sleepover-chokehold/) chokehold

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/19/richard-masterson-did-a-dubious-confession-sway-a-medical-examiners-autopsy-in-a-texas-death-penalty-case/ """

https://books.google.com/books?id=rdEJAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA275&lpg=PA275&dq=lividity+body+moved&source=bl&ots=Q6EmO5yNfD&sig=Y_0Y_ZW35esgJJ-ltuJs_MmUfzE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZq4ukp5TMAhUJSCYKHX8wDJA4ChDoAQgwMAM#v =onepage&q=lividity%20body%20moved&f=false lividity

http://healthdrip.com/postmortem-hypostasis/ """

Fourth – If the body is inverted as in drunken persons who slide out of bed, postmortem hypostasis will appear in the head and neck. The eyes may suffuse, and numerous hemorrhages may appear in the conjunctiva and hypostatic areas. This may give rise to suspicion of suffocation or strangulation.

http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2013/05/doctor_testifies_27-day-old_am.html compressional asyphxia

http://www.deathreference.com/Py-Se/Rigor-Mortis-and-Other-Postmortem-Changes.html rigor mortis

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2014/09/24/toddler-dies-wedged-mothers-deunka-lynch-car-window/ PA death

https://books.google.com/books?id=_JdZN69AecoC&pg=RA2-PA29&lpg=RA2-PA29&dq=bleeding+from+positional+asphyxia&source=bl&ots=ClKMAj52Kc&sig=5QCnHEnNXsBJG7pgQo_KeOGEuQA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG0YjkxJbMAhWBmoMKHSk1DRY4FBDoAQgcMAA#v =onepage&q=bleeding%20from%20positional%20asphyxia&f=false

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/defensive-wounds.html defensive wounds


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frisco kid
05-02-2016, 03:25 PM
That's actually a pretty good point... asked to borrow a car around midnight, crashes at 4:15 in the a.m. ... what was he doing for the 4 or so hours in between? I wish we could get more insight from Thigpen, who seems to have known him the best in the months preceding his death. Either way, I think we can agree that foul play was involved.

Thanks for acknowledging that. I think Thigpen said he visited her around midnight. His brother tells a different story. Michael fell asleep around 1am after which his brother left. It's safe to say that Hastings didn't go back to his apartment and fall asleep.

He came to believe his Mercedes was being tampered with. "Nothing I could say could console him," Thigpen says.

One night in June, he came to Thigpen's apartment after midnight and urgently asked to borrow her Volvo. He said he was afraid to drive his own car. She declined, telling him her car was having mechanical problems.

"He was scared, and he wanted to leave town," she says.

The next day, around 11:15 a.m., she got a call from her landlord, who told her Hastings had died early that morning. His car had crashed into a palm tree at 75 mph and exploded in a ball of fire.

"I burst into tears," Thigpen says. "I couldn't believe it had happened again." Michael Hastings' Dangerous Mind: Journalistic Star Was Loved, Feared and Haunted | L.A. Weekly (http://www.laweekly.com/news/michael-hastings-dangerous-mind-journalistic-star-was-loved-feared-and-haunted-2614816)

Michael Hastings Police Report - A Critical Examination (http://oldbulllee.com/hastings-police-report.htm)

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Michael Hastings? life and death: A brother?s reflections - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/11/05/michael_hastings_life_and_death_a_brothers_reflect ions/)

When I got to L.A. and saw him, I immediately realized that he was not going to go willingly. I started to make arrangements with our other brother to fly out and help me possibly force Mike into checking himself into a hospital or detox center. I’d thought that I had at least convinced Mike to just stay in his apartment and chill out for the next few days, but he snuck out on me when I was sleeping. He crashed his car before anyone could do anything to help him … I ended up telling this all to the police on Tuesday morning, as I was one of the last people to see him alive and I was one of the few people who could really put his behavior on that day in context.

Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers: 'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is (http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/08/law-of-nations-and-not-english-common.html)

The Fourteenth Amendment put to rest the sole question of what constituted a “citizen” of the United States. For birthright citizenship, by combining both jus soli and “subject to the jurisdiction,” it can be reasonably argued that the amendment as intended by its framers required both jus soli and jus sanguinis to be united in the child at time of birth. However, the way the Wong Kim Ark Court interpreted the amendment, it is now viewed as requiring for the most part only jus soli. But the amendment only goes to define what a “citizen” is and in no way has amended what is an Article II “natural born Citizen.”

Further proof that the Founders in defining citizenship did not accept English common law but rather the law of nations which was based on natural law can be found in the Congressional debates concerning the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment. When commenting on the proposed amendment on May 30, 1866, Senator Jacob Howard said: "This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Govern- of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, 1st Session, May 30, 1866, P. 2890, col. 2. The doctrine that children, if legitimate, follow, in regard to their political rights and duties, the condition of their fathers, is founded on natural law. Ludlam, 26 N.Y. at 368. Note that Senator Howard said that the amendment was only declaratory of “natural law” which became “national law” which in turn became the “law of the land.” The Senator is telling us that citizenship was defined by federal law which under Article VI of the Constitution was the supreme law of the land. He did not refer to any British common law or individual state law as being the basis for how citizenship was defined. Rather, his reference to “natural law” connects to the law of nations which was based on “natural law.” And the law of nations, as incorporated into the laws of the new Republic, did become the new national law of the United States. Moreover, in providing the list of those parents who would disqualify children born on U.S. territory from becoming a citizen, Senator Howard included parents who were foreigners, aliens, ambassadors, or foreign ministers. Note that the list included “foreigners” and “aliens.” Hence, the exclusion was not only for the children of ambassadors and enemy aliens, as was the rule of the English common law, but also for the children of “foreigners” and “aliens.” This exclusion was also repeated by Senator Johnson who stated that the child would have to be born on U.S. soil to “parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.”


frisco kid
05-04-2016, 01:19 PM
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No eyewitness saw the car crash into the tree. I proved the car didn't hit the tree when I started looking at the footage and photos. It never hit the tree because it came to rest south of it facing east without ever hitting it. That's common sense.

The entire hood is covered by the sheet which proves that the front of the car was mostly intact. That contradicts the video footage and any high speed crash. The wheel-well is hidden by the tree which also contradicts the video. The daytime photo makes it perfectly clear that the Mercedes never impacted the tree.

The third photo makes it appear as if the car was traveling west to east, but was actually moving the same direction as the (north to south) fire-truck. It's not debatable that this visual makes the crash scenario a simple myth. This cover-up lacks any real evidence that the story told to us could possibly be true outside of assumptive conclusions. It also appears that the car hit the tree head-on which is debunked by the daytime photo and clearly didn't happen..

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A defense wound or self-defense wound is an injury received by the victim of an attack while trying to defend against the assailant.[1][2] Defensive wounds are often found on the hands and forearms, where the victim has raised them to protect the head and face or to fend off an assault, but may also be present on the feet and legs where a victim attempts defense while lying down and kicking out at the assailant.

frisco kid
06-10-2016, 10:41 PM
https://www.azmag.gov/Documents/Recognizing%20Signs%20of%20Strangulation%20and%20S uffocation.pdf

As has been the case for several years, KJ's death was homicidal in nature. Vomiting and blood red eyes are also common in cases of strangulation. KJ put up a very intense struggle, which produced these revealing results in death.

Strangulation is classified as hanging, manual, and ligature. KJ meets 5 of 7 symptoms listed below.

-Face was congested
-Tongue was bitten
-Neck muscles showed signs of trauma
-Multiple abrasions and contusions on chin,
-both arms, and abdomen suggesting a

Horizontal ligature mark below the thyroid
Tracheal rings were fractured

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Suffocation-Smothering | Forensic Pathology Online (http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/suffocation-smothering) bite tongue

https://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/_WMS/publications/wmj/pdf/102/3/41.pdf bit ear

Throttling | Forensic Pathology Online (http://www.forensicpathologyonline.com/e-book/asphyxia/throttling) karate blow


If the strangulation results in obstruction
of Carotid Artery
• No petechiae
• Blunt force injury within the artery to prove

Was there any vomiting?



If petechial hemorrhages and facial congestion are present, it is a strong indication of asphyxia by strangulation as the cause of death.

https://palliative.stanford.edu/transition-to-death/signs-of-impending-death/ mottling

https://www.reference.com/health/mottled-skin-indicate-e6f6b62cb3149e54 """

Cardiac and Circulation Changes

Skin may become mottled and discolored. Mottling and cyanosis of the upper extremities appear to indicate impending death versus such changes in the lower extremities.


The diagnosis of cardiogenic shock can sometimes be made at the bedside by observing the following:

Skin is usually ashen or cyanotic and cool; extremities are mottled

http://dhss.alaska.gov/ocs/Documents/childrensjustice/strangulation/20.Strangulation%20Brochure.pdf ms

http://gcfv.georgia.gov/sites/gcfv.georgia.gov/files/related_files/site_page/Documentation%20Chart%20for%20Attempted%20Strangul ation%20Cases.pdf """

http://journals.lww.com/amjforensicmedicine/Abstract/2016/06000/Positional_Asphyxia__Death_Due_to_Unusual.1.aspx upside down

https://books.google.com/books?id=bPkUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA483&lpg=PA483&dq=swollen+lips+from+strangulation&source=bl&ots=HftmfaLKwX&sig=sy_YqokoD85WUmrQ4A1kBo43hKY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGnP2wl6bNAhVNPVIKHYczAugQ6AEIVzAI#v=on epage&q=swollen%20lips%20from%20strangulation&f=false swollen

https://books.google.com/books?id=w3jS9MTLtywC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=swollen+lips+from+strangulation&source=bl&ots=hVWqIQihFp&sig=qM2C2eJbIw4WY5bjHCZxuR4_23E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGnP2wl6bNAhVNPVIKHYczAugQ6AEIWjAJ#v=on epage&q=swollen%20lips%20from%20strangulation&f=false """ great page

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https://books.google.com/books?id=s8Sf647kwwQC&pg=PA1084&lpg=PA1084&dq=swollen+lips+from+strangulation&source=bl&ots=otfiXHTGhv&sig=8L0iQYVXDRphJt0bf7kFahKDnsU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimxZSauabNAhVUQ1IKHcDfBTE4FBDoAQg2MAM#v =onepage&q=swollen%20lips%20from%20strangulation&f=false read

https://www.vice.com/read/postmortem-0000449-v21n9 death investigator

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/evidenceprof/2015/04/last-week-i-forwarded-theautopsy-reportfor-hae-min-lee-as-well-as-the-autopsy-photos-to-leigh-hlavaty-md-who-is-1-the.html slippage/ moved body


• Skin slippage—By four to seven days, or sometimes as early as two to three days, skin slippage may be apparent anywhere on the body. The skin, including the fingernails and toenails, loosens and allows removal of the skin in its entirety, much like the removal of a sock or glove. This may be most notable on the hands and feet. The entire scalp, including the hair, will become partially or completely detached.

An on-scene body-assessment checklist will allow the investigator to record observations made during the assessment and accurately document injuries by using the appropriate supplement form. (On-scene body-assessment forms can be obtained from Water-Related Death Investigation: Practical Methods and Forensic Applications, Appendix C.)

https://books.google.com/books?id=oNsbKIeZpcQC&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=when+does+skin+slippage+occur&source=bl&ots=S9CvrqK3Gd&sig=eFnSo9CjVIt-7iZYvw5MT1f9eQw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDl4r4uKjNAhXE5IMKHcM4Aec4FBDoAQhDMAY#v =onepage&q=when%20does%20skin%20slippage%20occur&f=false sl


Skin slippage is something that happens in decomposition. It is when the superficial layers of the skin “slip” off of the body. It occurs early in decomposition, in temperate conditions usually it starts around the two to three day mark and its appearance can be varied. Usually it starts as a formation of what looks like a blister, then when the roof of the blister ruptures the skin then flops off the body. it can make the body surface that is left very slimy to the touch.

Skin slippage happens at any point when there’s contact with the body, whether it be someone physically moving the body or something in the environment contacting the body.

http://oureverydaylife.com/stages-human-decomposition-process-37600.html decomp

https://books.google.com/books?id=rdEJAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA275&lpg=PA275&dq=lividity+body+moved&source=bl&ots=Q6EmO5yNfD&sig=Y_0Y_ZW35esgJJ-ltuJs_MmUfzE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZq4ukp5TMAhUJSCYKHX8wDJA4ChDoAQgwMAM#v =onepage&q=lividity%20body%20moved&f=false lividity/stab wound

frisco kid
06-15-2016, 11:14 PM

On the first page of her report, under “Pathologic Diagnoses,” Dr. Gaffney-Kraft immediately ruled out “violent death.” She writes: “Congestive-decomposition changes of the head, neck, torso and upper extremities.”

According to the pathologist, Kendrick’s face was not injured. His face was distorted due to decomposition. The pathologist then writes, “No significant injuries identified.” Yet later in the report, she seemingly contradicts herself.

“On the right posterior medial wrist there is a 1/8 x 1/8 inch superficial abrasion. On the left distal 4th finger, involving the dorsal skin just proximal to the cuticle, there are two superficial abrasions measuring 1/8 x <1/8 inch and 3/16 x <1/8 inch.

“On the left distal 4th finger, involving the forsal skin overlying the distal interphalangeal joint there is a 5/16 inch superficial tear with no associated hemorrhage.”

Those injuries to Kendrick’s fingers and wrist are consistent with defensive wounds. If he was beaten, and more than a few perpetrators held him down while doing it, Kendrick would have had little opportunity for further resistance, and further injuries.

What is not contained in the autopsy report is even more telling. There’s no mention of anything unusual happening with Kendrick’s heart, brain, skin or lungs. The problem is, if death does result from positional asphyxiation, those organs should show some signs of oxygen deprivation.

Top Kendrick Johnson Crime Scene Wallpapers (http://www.allwidewallpapers.com/kendrick-johnson-crime-scene/a2VuZHJpY2stam9obnNvbi1jcmltZS1zY2VuZQ/)

https://books.google.com/books?id=Y3PvAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=skin+slippage&source=bl&ots=r6YqBSc0eA&sig=y-VkLW5_c2cVd-DNIUHSzsvnxiU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiWwuGWo63NAhUQ5WMKHWu-AQA4FBDoAQhNMAk#v=onepage&q=skin%20slippage&f=false staged scene/skin slippage

https://books.google.com/books?id=sVbNBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA49&lpg=PA49&dq=anterior+lividity&source=bl&ots=5KutTcq1jt&sig=c2dCvt3A-Xk_fyAxMJZ7yZYstSo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwid5vfvyq3NAhWnpYMKHUsBDzA4ChDoAQhJMAY#v =onepage&q=anterior%20lividity&f=false

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https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ojp/training-and-communication/Documents/Jarvis%202015.pdf strangulation

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C (Chief of Complaint) Code Blue

H (History) Dispatched to a Public Building (schools, gov, offices) for a 17 year old male complaining of cardiac arrest. Events leading up to the EMS call; EMS requested to Lowndes High School to a code blue. LSCO resource officer on scene, patient in old gymnasium.. Sample HX: Upon EMS arrival patient found partially inside large wrestling mat, exposed were from mid torso to head and arms, patient had visible lividity and mottling to the face and arms. Large pool of blood and vomit around head, vomitus from around mouth and patient. Bruising noted to right jaw. Blood appeared to have also drained frome eyes and nose. No respirations, No cartoid pulse..

Rx (Rendered Treatment) Due to obvious death patient not removed from mat, considered crime scene.

The crew's impression was Cardiac Arrest

T (Transport) No Transport

I wonder when KJ complained of cardiac arrest? The Paramedic Report corroborates the second autopsy and this autopsy photograph, which nicely illustrates the massive bruise on the right neck. The decomposition excuse is debunked by this and other evidence. There was little difference in how KJ looked on January 11th and the 14th. He clearly looked like a homicide victim.

C (Chief of Complaint) Code Blue

H (History) Dispatched to a Public Building (schools, gov, offices) for a 17 year old male complaining of cardiac arrest. Events leading up to the EMS call; EMS requested to Lowndes High School to a code blue. LSCO resource officer on scene, patient in old gymnasium.. Sample HX: Upon EMS arrival patient found partially inside large wrestling mat, exposed were from mid torso to head and arms, patient had visible lividity and mottling to the face and arms. Large pool of blood and vomit around head, vomitus from around mouth and patient. Bruising noted to right jaw. Blood appeared to have also drained frome eyes and nose. No respirations, No cartoid pulse..

Rx (Rendered Treatment) Due to obvious death patient not removed from mat, considered crime scene.

The crew's impression was Cardiac Arrest

T (Transport) No Transport


This video's a good one. I never got a capture of the bottom of the shoes until today. The shoes were firmly placed in there to secure the body from shifting. That seems logical, since his body was never fully in the mat. You can see the right shoe was shoved in first and then the left.

Note how the right shoe is angled for support against the mat on the top and bottom. Notice how the mouth of the right shoe is almost closed. This indicates the heel of the left shoe was firmly placed between the right shoe and both of KJ's lower legs. This is the reason why this view was always cropped out, which left out this important information. The upper body being out of the mat in the vertical-down position becomes stronger with this revealing new view.

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdga/pr/justice-department-closes-investigation-death-kendrick-johnson Monday, June 20, 2016

Obama's fake justice department did not exhume KJ's body for a second autopsy. I caught one publication lying about his already.

This is a perfect example of false information spread by the media. THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL GOVERNMENT AUTOPSIES DONE ON KENDRICK JOHNSON. Please make the correction, unless deceiving the public is okay?

According to Obama's lawless department, two ME's rubber stamped Gaffney's bull**** report on KJ's death. The AJC claims as many as two additional autopsies were conducted and even named a dunce examiner who would further the lies and cover-up.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdga/pr/justice-department-closes-investigation-death-kendrick-johnson Monday, June 20, 2016

The investigative team also consulted with an independent Department of Defense medical examiner and hired another independent medical examiner/forensic pathologist who reviewed relevant medical records and both autopsy reports.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional/kendrick-johnson-case-is-closed-but-valdostas-woun/nrm5W/ June 25, 2016

If true, that would contradict two additional autopsies conducted at the behest of federal investigators. Each concluded the state medical examiner was right, that Kendrick died of “positional asphyxia” — an accident.

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/how-did-kendrick-johnson-die/nqKns/ Feb. 6, 2016

In addition, the results of a second official autopsy, conducted by Maryland’s Chief Medical Examiner David Fowler, also remain under wraps.

https://books.google.com/books?id=6bW4WSRgfKoC&pg=PA269&lpg=PA269&dq=marked+congestion+in+strangulation&source=bl&ots=CfDjGB0vnv&sig=od-xpAby8tQrqOXr6P2tZVeHiGE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjahonn9svNAhVH4YMKHX2GBtAQ6AEIVDAI#v=on epage&q=marked%20congestion%20in%20strangulation&f=false


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmri.20396/full MS/Hanging studies

Furthermore, soft-tissue injuries are localized on both sides of the neck, whereas in manual strangulation one side is usually injured more severely according to the mechanical force applied to the neck by the perpetrator.

http://www.anilaggrawal.com/ij/vol_002_no_002/papers/paper005.html tongue bitten

http://www.icfmt.net/journal/vol4no2/delayed_death.htm AR

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/modis-medical-jurisprudence-strangulation-m-murali-mohan tongue bitten

frisco kid
06-29-2016, 01:28 AM

The only way Maryanne Gaffney-Kraft could get away with the decomposition excuse is for KJ's face not to be photographed on January 11. His face was swollen the following morning, which was reported by officer Michael Adams. This is devastating proof of homicide, most likely some type of strangulation. If KJ's face was not photographed in the gym we certainly know why. The gift was realized long ago, so I guess we'll wait and see if the Johnsons will organize well and tip the COD. Here are some of KJ's distinct markings consistent with strangulation.

-defensive wounds unexplained
-livid and swollen face
-swollen lips
-tongue bitten
-large amounts of unexplained blood
-blood from nose and mouth
-bruising on neck

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Kendrick Johnson's death is consistent with some type of homicidal asphyxiation. This account was about 21 hours after he was last seen alive.

The paragraph starts with: On January 11, 2013 at 10:32 am.


"The facial area was severely disfigured and swollen."

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I hear what you're saying, but those same markings could also be explained as a result of Positional Asphyxiation. I'm sure he struggled once he realized that facing downwards into the mat was a bad idea, as would anyone. I'm sure he struggled like hell and could have injured himself that way, prior to death.

I really don't need to be open about things I don't believe and that there is no evidence for.

What you may think happened is not evidence that what you think, actually happened. I lean mostly to providing corroborative evidence for what most likely took place.

You need to honestly review all of the information, which of course you have not done. I've likely assembled more evidence of homicide than anyone involved in this case.


https://books.google.com/books?id=w3jS9MTLtywC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=swollen+lips+from+strangulation&source=bl&ots=hVWsEMkeGs&sig=qqT3bPQtHM1hBzNtbpCvasX-kHM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjoid6b0dPNAhXKy4MKHb54Bgo4ChDoAQggMAE#v =onepage&q=swollen%20lips%20from%20strangulation&f=false MS

https://books.google.com/books?id=fXbSl315cfQC&pg=PA434&lpg=PA434&dq=swollen+lips+from+strangulation&source=bl&ots=GP14VGdZjr&sig=RN-zKSmNHGCsWTMLJ2CK9AN1z4M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj52ICZ0tPNAhVn4IMKHTycAnY4FBDoAQguMAQ#v =onepage&q=swollen%20lips%20from%20strangulation&f=false great page


http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/07/29/5684528/1248903557-nicholson_Autopsy_2.pdf Strangulation autopsy

http://www.academia.dk/BiologiskAntropologi/Tafonomi/PDF/post-mortem-changes.pdf decomp

http://thebaezlawfirm.blogspot.com/2014/03/homicide-detective-uncovers-more.html body moved


http://www.charlydmiller.com/LIB06/1992Broward30PADeaths.pdf PA death study

I'd really like to help out with producing Anti-Clinton campaign videos. Since Trump is under water with women, I'd heavily focus on Juanita Broaddrick and the rapist she defended in the 1970's. Those stories would make a lot women, and men think twice about voting for Clinton. I'm very creative and could definitely assist with the typical videos that air on television and online ads. I can start immediately.

frisco kid
07-12-2016, 09:32 PM
Dallas Shooting: Witness Describes Fatal Gunfire During Demonstration : People.com (http://www.people.com/article/dallas-shooting-police-killed-witness)
UPDATE: Slain Dallas shooting suspect identified - WKOW 27: Madison, WI Breaking News, Weather and Sports (http://www.wkow.com/story/32398266/2016/07/07/update-5-officers-killed-in-dallas-6-wounded)
Multiple shots fired at protest in Dallas. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/07/multiple_shots_reportedly_fired_at_protest_in_dall as.html)

UPDATE: 14 people shot, 5 officers killed in Dallas police ambush; suspect identified - Dallas Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2016/07/08/11-officers-shot-5-killed-in-dallas-police-ambush.html)

It was reported in multiple articles. It was confirmed by the Dallas Business Journal who would have a closer line to breaking information than most others in the media.

The Dallas Police Department said in a prepared statement at about 11:30 p.m. that a female suspect who was in a shootout with Dallas SWAT officers near the garage at El Centro College in downtown is in custody. A suspicious package was discovered near that suspect's location and the bomb squad headed to the scene. No bombs were found.

UPDATE: Slain Dallas shooting suspect identified - WKOW 27: Madison, WI Breaking News, Weather and Sports (http://www.wkow.com/story/32398266/2016/07/07/update-5-officers-killed-in-dallas-6-wounded)

It sounds like only two people were taken into custody, one of which turned himself in. He's the one who appeared on CNN with his brother. The other suspect is a woman who was reportedly involved in a shootout with police. She was either in or near the parking garage when this took place. The female suspect is being ignored by the media, no doubt.

UPDATE (WKOW) -- Dallas police say a potential suspect and a person of interest are now in custody.

Police say the person of interest, the man pictured in a camouflage shirt, turned himself in.

Officers say another alleged suspect was in a shootout with Dallas SWAT officers. That suspect is also in custody. Police say a suspicious package was discovered near this suspect's location. They say the package is being secured by the department's bomb squad.

UPDATE (WKOW) -- The suspect who was still in a standoff with police in Dallas is now dead.

WFAA-TV, the ABC affiliate in Dallas, has confirmed the suspect died around 3:00 a.m. after a long standoff with police. Police did not make it clear whether the suspect killed himself or was killed by law enforcement.

Dallas Police Chief David Brown says at least 11 police officers were shot and five of those were killed after two snipers attacked law enforcement during a protest of officer-involved shootings across the country. The female suspect who was detained earlier in the night was in a shootout with Dallas SWAT officers, according to WFAA, near the garage of El Centro College. A suspicious package was found near there and the Dallas Police Department bomb squad was dispatched.


10:29pm Chief David Brown reports 10 officers were shot by two snipers. He says three of those officers have died.

11:27pm Police say that they've taken a female suspect into custody after a shootout at the El Centro College. Second suspect still at scene.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeRGf-V4Fkg press conference 12:30AM

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They'll never have to explain it if the media doesn't do their job. WFAA has made no attempt to follow up with the DPD and they likely won't, which is exactly the opposite of what they are supposed to do, investigate and find the correct answers. The Media is an arm of the government.

Micah was killed and never arrested. Hughes is a male. The female suspect, according to either the Chief or Mayor is light-skinned. This article was posted late last night.

Mayor Rawlings said Friday morning that a second suspect, a female, was arrested at about 11:30 p.m. after being involved in a shootout with Dallas police. There is no word yet on whether she is still in custody or how she was related to the ambush.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dallas-county/breaking-shots-fired-and-officers-down-at-downtown-dallas-protest/266881573 WFAA july 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PEPFLjGV94 SAME VOICE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czd1v_Cr1qY """

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a59_1467959167 """"''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOT1dX8eQ6s two snipers cbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIOZIRPKa9A rifle vs handgun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDO-ggrO-A two people by garage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=murLU0us4eY RT BEST VIDEO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnmguqcjzqE beginning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJICtTtvr0 second suspect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DPqyqf1Kb4&feature=youtu.be trunews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_MZC0IfiyQ shooting on lamar and elm streets


5:15 We got a suspect down.

5:39 We got one more shooter out here.


15:05 We’re having shots fired also at Main Street as well. Another officer is hit, the Palm Restaurant at Market and Ross.

16:15 NW second floor a light came on.

18:08 Second floor reloaded assault rifle.

19:05 I am on the second floor of the Dallas Community College, we may have a suspect pinned down, NW corner of the building on the second floor.


“Suspect is inside the El Centro building, inside the El Centro building,” another officer declares.

“We’re having shots fired also at Main Street as well, another officer is hit, the Palm restaurant at Market and Ross,” a police officer says.

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frisco kid
07-13-2016, 06:39 PM
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HEAR IT: Dallas police audio captures chaos - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hear-dallas-police-audio-captures-chaos-article-1.2704211)

Graphic video shows ambush, shooting of officers in Dallas | Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160707-graphic-video-reportedly-shows-ambush-shooting-of-officers-in-dallas.ece)

Calvin Johnson, 36, said he knew witnesses near El Centro who said the shooter told them, "Somebody's fixing to get killed tonight -- an officer. "

They said the shooter then put on a bulletproof vest and shot the DART officer in the back.

El Centro College officers recall night of deadly ambush - Story | KDFW (http://www.fox4news.com/news/173399603-story) This article confirms Michah shot the officer on the ground at the beginning.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160711-el-centro-college-officials-trace-footsteps-of-dallas-police-killer.ece timeline

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dallas-ambush/58-students-staff-in-el-centro-college-during-shootout/269930884 wfaa timeline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVjKXJMFYK0 great video

The Central Track video proves Micah Johnson was not involved in the initial ambush. This video was uploaded less than 8 hours after the shooting and was not turned over to authorities until sometime after. Had he turned it over to the media or cops, there is no doubt that Micah moving from behind his suv over to the pillar would've been edited out.

Micah Johnson moves from behind his vehicle at the 12-13 second mark. The video is sourced at central track in an article written by the man who filmed this smoking gun footage. This video footage was uploaded less than 8 hours after being recorded.

That's Micah and his SUV. That's at a point where he apparently had not yet engaged in any gunfire with police. I think the evidence will show that Micah arrived late to the party, amongst many other things. The officers in the CT video did not know exactly where the shots were coming from until Micah began firing on Lamar. That means at that point not a single officer fired a shot. There are 8-10 shots fired (8-15 second mark) from the time he's behind his vehicle to when he's first hidden by the pillar. Those shots were not fired by Micah Johnson or any law enforcement.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGpMdlhHvY unidentified person 1:05


frisco kid
07-14-2016, 05:23 PM
El Centro officials: Shooting occurred from west-side building, not just east-side garage | Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160708-el-centro-officials-shooting-occurred-from-west-side-building-not-just-east-side-garage.ece) dallas news timeline

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc1dTgouM2U patrick cooper

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/08/piecing-together-witness-accounts-of-the-dallas-attack/ videos

Central Track // Devastation. (http://centraltrack.com/Culture/9305/Devastation/Thursday-Night-Started-Off-Beautifully-In-Downtown-Dallas-Then-The-Gunfire-Came-Raining-Down) sidney johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDO-ggrO-A fox news second suspect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAzy37yzodk&feature=youtu.be central track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDwkLvcOxVs 14:00 sniper on roof

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/witness-accounts-detail-the-horror-of-the-dallas-attack/267616910 eyewitness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFhbUwECsZU fox 5 second shooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEQ1tLQuc20 cooper extended

I won't flood you with lots of stuff, but this video inside the college is interesting. It seems very unlikely that Micah could have fired his gun in the college as early as 9:02-3. Note how the woman says they keep shooting, which likely means that those shots were outside. Let me know, and I will help you in any way I can. Thank you!


https://theintercept.com/2016/07/08/piecing-together-witness-accounts-of-the-dallas-attack/ MANY VIDEOS

https://www.facebook.com/PatsoRougishCoop/videos/vb.100001381545022/1121285767927464/?type=2&theater Patrick Cooper's FB page

http://abc7.com/news/snipers-shoot-11-officers-killing-5-during-dallas-protest/1418176/ shooter on top of 10th floor

http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Shots-fired-at-Dallas-protest-385949111.html timeline July 8

frisco kid
07-16-2016, 03:59 PM
Dallas "Lone Gunman" Narrative Falls Apart - Multiple Shooter Reports, Misidentified Weapon, Eyewitness Accounts, All Point To A Massive Cover-Up (http://allnewspipeline.com/Dallas_Lone_Gunman_Narrative_Falls_Apart.php) BLOG

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/07/16/i-just-wanted-a-piece-of-him-college-officers-pushed-through-injuries-in-dallas-shooting/ WP July 16

As Shaw and Abbott were about to push through the glass doors, “the door exploded,” Abbott said. Shattered glass lacerated his legs. A bullet hit Shaw under the vest.

http://getoffthebs.com/police-story-about-dallas-shooting/ good article


6. There was more than one shooter. At a 12:30 a.m. press conference on Friday, Brown said there were multiple shooters downtown who shot from elevated positions at his officers. It turned out that Johnson was simply shooting and moving around the El Centro campus. In fact, most of his shots were fired from the ground level.

https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2016/07/13/mainstream-media-not-real-news-explosive-evidence-dallas-police-shootings-false-flag.html Great blog page

In the video, you can see the gunman step out from behind the SUV, fire several shots for cover, and then duck behind a pillar of the El Centro College building.


https://youtu.be/gP9bPsO9m1w 7th floor


Cpl. Bryan Shaw, a detective, was guarding an entrance to El Centro when the sniper began shooting out the glass doors; he was hit under his protective vest.


The officers were guarding the Main Street entrance of the college during the protest against police brutality when shots rang out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iJhPULobk0 watch video

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/13a2fa86-f5d8-4e74-aa67-51022871d0c5_zpsahm7kosm.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/13a2fa86-f5d8-4e74-aa67-51022871d0c5_zpsahm7kosm.png.html)

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/micahs%20suv%20after%20being%20moved_zpskwg3krfr.j pg~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/micahs%20suv%20after%20being%20moved_zpskwg3krfr.j pg.html)

Another vantage point, V3, was taken from the 2nd level of the Bank of America Parking Plaza, the same level where Micah Johnson is alleged to have been bombed by police. Once again you can see the same squad cars and officers ducking from gunfire which is originating from behind the SUV. In the video, you can see the gunman step out from behind the SUV, fire several shots for cover, and then duck behind a pillar of the El Centro College building.




http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dallas-ambush/new-information-details-shooters-movement-during-dallas-attack/271129748 shooting timeline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZTMU5c3Gb0 """


The shooter is seen standing by a white pillar spraying bullets to the left and right, which Dejesus believes was to draw the police near.
"He was trying to get a commotion going, trying to get cops' attention."

frisco kid
07-17-2016, 05:58 PM
Black Power Political Organization Takes Responsibilty For Murdering 5 Dallas Cops | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/black-power-political-organization-takes-responsibilty-murdering-5-dallas-cops)

Dallas Shooter Micah Johnson Showed Interest in Black Nationalist Groups - WSJ (http://www.wsj.com/articles/dallas-shooter-micah-johnson-showed-interest-in-black-nationalist-groups-1468617921)

Roughly two years ago, he spent about six months as a member of the New Black Panther Nation in Houston, according to Quanell X, who runs the group.

After leaving that group, Johnson also began exploring radical black empowerment movements in Dallas, a city that has long been home to a prominent activist community born out of the city’s history of racial divisions.

Dallas Police Change Story - Now Says Only One Shooter (http://mtonews.com/dallas-police-chief-changes-story-now-claims-shooter-acting-alone-something-doesnt-sound-right/) blog

El Centro College moves on after Dallas police shooting: ?We will not be defined by this at all? | Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160715-el-centro-college-moves-on-after-dallas-police-shooting-we-will-not-be-defined-by-this-at-all.ece) window shot out

Breaking: Dallas Shooter Caught Executing Cop on Camera -- Multiple Suspects In Custody (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-one-suspect-custody-2nd-suspect-still-shooting-police-threatening-use-explosives/) july 8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iJhPULobk0 you were on the corner of commerce and lamar right when this happened. 6:14

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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160714-dallas-police-shooter-killed-4-officers-on-the-street-1-through-a-second-floor-window.ece July 14

Dallas police Officers Lorne Ahrens, Michael Krol and Patrick Zamarripa of the southwest division were all slain when Johnson fired into a crowd of cops and protesters around 9 p.m. July 7 on Main Street just west of Lamar Street. The shots came at the end of what had been a peaceful protest of police shootings of black men around the nation.

At least three fellow officers and one civilian, Shetamia Taylor, were wounded at the same time. Another civilian was wounded during the shooting but has not been publicly identified.

Johnson then made his way north on Lamar, back to where he had parked his black SUV with its hazard lights blinking.

There, he sneaked up behind DART officer Brent Thompson in front of El Centro and fired. An eyewitness video that went viral showed Thompson peering around a column as Johnson shot at him multiple times.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOT1dX8eQ6s 2:25 female suspect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KkdD1t8A38 11:37 "I was walking and a sniper just started shooting and like all of the cops were getting shot. I just saw cops bending over. It had to been like five or six cops that was getting shot down. It was right after the rally like we were just walking to the car. How many? I saw about three, I saw three. Like while we was running they just kept shooting. I, we don't know where it's coming from. I didn't see anyone else get shot, it was just the cops. I didn't see nobody else get shot."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-08/dallas-police-says-shooting-ambush-appears-to-be-conspiracy/7581922 early video/female in custody

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/08/piecing-together-witness-accounts-of-the-dallas-attack/ early videos

http://forums.radioreference.com/broadcastify-live-audio-listener-support/336242-dallas-police-shooter-incident-archives.html police audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Ke5QsC0sY pauses removed

http://www.theweek.co.uk/55933/who-killed-jfk-the-kennedy-conspiracy-theories-explained jfk driver
http://www.popdust.com/conspiracy-theory-thursdayjfk-jr-was-murdered-and-you-wont-believe-who-1892591783.html jfk jr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coq33l312Sk IMPORTANT suv pulls up 1:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGpMdlhHvY SUV 0:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3EXR3_cmo Cortney Washington

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H-jYVPej5w Michael Bautista shots/southside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBuPLIASu7w """
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFKsULScziY """
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHPpD1pGM5s """

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui_Ht4XzM8g eyewitness

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/texas-ag-wont-discount-multiple-shooters-in-dallas-attack/comments/#disqus comments/bottom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uTHnEwtXK4 15:22 blm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdK7bOcj9g8 rapper interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVdwXYrYPg4 very early video

frisco kid
07-17-2016, 11:15 PM
Five officers dead, seven hurt in Dallas protest shooting | NBC4i.com (http://nbc4i.com/2016/07/07/reports-of-shots-fired-in-dallas-at-downtown-protest-and-rally/) eyewitnesses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMznpmxO6o USA TODAY edits out eyewitness uncertainty

Witness of shooting in downtown Dallas speaks | WFAA.com (http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dallas-county/witness-of-shooting-in-downtown-dallas-speaks/266983617) wfaa not sure he saw shooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki9LQpddXc0 """

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxcKpeSoko0 """

With FBI clearance, El Centro's staff keeps investigators fed | Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160716-with-fbi-clearance-el-centro-s-staff-keeps-investigators-fed.ece)

Dallas shooting eyewitness: ‘It looked like an execution’ | WPMT FOX43 (http://fox43.com/2016/07/08/dallas-shooting-eyewitness-it-looked-like-an-execution/) chevy tahoe

WATCH: Video Shows Dallas Officer Down [GRAPHIC] | Heavy.com (http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/watch-video-hotel-dallas-police-officer-shot-you-tube-ismael-dejesus-killed-death-shooting-graphic-uncensored-sniper-twitter/)

Police officers shot, at least 5 killed in sniper attack in Dallas - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/shooting-dallas-texas-protest-2016-7) sniper in parking garage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkjHaUefdBU Ismael Dejesus

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/us/dallas-shooting-witness-ismael-dejesus/ CNN WIRE DeJesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXpTAVoEnWU """

Ismael Dejesus was in his downtown Dallas hotel room when he heard "popping sounds." He went to the balcony to see what was going on.

The assailant got out of a Chevy Tahoe SUV wearing what Dejesus described as tactical clothing.

"He got out of there, walked over to the pillar, put a magazine in and started firing."

https://youtu.be/3bgzQ8nR_5c aerial view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzEfADC1k1w great video

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/08/why-the-dallas-police-had-explosives-and-how-those-explosives-were-fatal/#comments suspect in garage

"I handed it to Mahlor Gibson (the prosecutor) and I said, well this guy's ready to come from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice!" [laughter]




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coq33l312Sk 5:00 eyewitnesses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR1zNopRlw (Censored central track) CT suspects not cooperating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2z2AM58KPg rare video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7trVbywanyw lying witness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkjHaUefdBU DeJesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBFQPjPAY1o 30:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPkyfNZ79q0 first shots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu3-GIcRyl0 eyewitnesses

Before starting a shooting spree that left five police officers dead and 11 people wounded, Micah Johnson is believed to have talked with two of the Dallas police officers he shot near the corner of Lamar and Main streets.

“He parked his vehicle on the Lamar Street doors of our college, got out, we believe engaged two Dallas police officers in a short conversation, then pulled his rifle and shot them,” Hannigan said. “The surrounding officers returned fire, and he was taking cover behind our pillars of our college -- shooting back at police as they were returning fire.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160719-el-centro-chief-micah-johnson-talked-with-police-before-shooting-them.ece July 20

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/20/us/dallas-shooter-micah-johnson-movements/ July 20 CNN

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/07/19/el-centro-college-riddled-with-bullets-reminders-of-deadly-ambush/ Important video July19

http://usanews.co/like-a-little-war-snipers-shoot-11-police-officers-during-dallas-protest-march-killing-five-washington-post/ important eyewitnesses

As dusk settled over the city, bullets suddenly began flying, the crack of high-powered ammunition cannoning off of skyscrapers and across downtown Dallas.

Terrified protesters scattered in all directions as startled cops gazed up in search of the origin of the shots.
Lynn Mays said he was standing on Lamar Street when the shooting began.

“All of a sudden we started hearing gunshots out of nowhere,” he told the Dallas Morning News. “At first we couldn’t identify it because we weren’t expecting it, then we started hearing more, rapid fire. One police officer who was standing there pushed me out the way because it was coming our direction … next thing you know we heard ‘officer down.’”

Undercover and uniformed police officers started running around the corner and “froze,” Mays said. “Police officers started shooting in one direction, and whoever was shooting started shooting back.

“And that’s where the war began.”

https://www.dart.org/maps/pngmaps/DowntownDallasmap14mar16.png dart downtown dallas

https://www.google.com/maps/place/711+Elm+St,+Dallas,+TX+75202/@32.7800795,-96.8057095,3a,83.7y,9.37h,82.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sg8hcq9oiNuXEYWkOjLdEIw!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dg8hcq9oiNuXEY WkOjLdEIw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw% 3D351.87659%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0 x864e99163504d45b:0x6735cc8421aef406!8m2!3d32.7803 41!4d-96.8057539 Elm st.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/706+Main+St,+Dallas,+TX+75202/@32.7792664,-96.8057116,3a,60y,301.15h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFWfXIesbqMWs0bzzjJQhng!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x864e9917ab30dfed:0xcb50f63 c13d74cd0!8m2!3d32.7791151!4d-96.80564 706 main st.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Main+St+%26+N+Lamar+St,+Dallas,+TX+75202/@32.779494,-96.8043321,3a,42.2y,216.97h,105.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shNOmJYeRidy9S77XvegFRg!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DhNOmJYeRidy9S 77XvegFRg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw% 3D345.88904%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0 x864e991798007d6f:0xa6466e013c691216!8m2!3d32.7795 644!4d-96.8042933!6m1!1e1 BOA/LAMAR

https://warisboring.com/the-lethal-geography-of-downtown-dallas-3313509c40f2#.mnk52rv7s geography/downtown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtKshjQaMAo Bruce

https://twitter.com/SecretLove422 S&A

Ismael Dejesus was in his downtown Dallas hotel room when he heard "popping sounds." He went to the balcony to see what was going on.

The assailant got out of a Chevy Tahoe SUV wearing what Dejesus described as tactical clothing.

"He got out of there, walked over to the pillar, put a magazine in and started firing."




Brown said an investigation into the ambush continues. “Through our investigation of some of the suspects, it’s revealed to us that this was a well-planned, well-thought out, evil tragedy by these suspects,” he said Friday at a prayer vigil for the victims. “And we won’t rest until we bring everyone involved to justice.”

frisco kid
07-25-2016, 08:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqbDBRWb63s&feature=youtu.be crazy hillary

Irish Slaves – What The History Books Will Never Tell You | Your News Wire (http://yournewswire.com/the-irish-slaves-what-they-will-never-tell-you-in-history/) slave trade

El Centro College Riddled With Bullets; Reminders Of Deadly Ambush « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/07/19/el-centro-college-riddled-with-bullets-reminders-of-deadly-ambush/) July 19

Hannigan said Johnson first approached two officers outside the college’s Lamar entrance. After a brief conversation, he pulled his gun and shot them both. Johnson then took cover behind the school’s pillars, shooting and killing DART officer Brent Thompson.

Johnson shot out the doors on Lamar Street, but was forced back by police gunfire. He then rounded the corner to Elm Street, shooting out doors there, making his way inside the college.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpb-mtjN9q8 AP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnmguqcjzqE """

http://www.elcentrocollege.edu/campus_info/docs/ECmap&DirectorySPR2011.pdf EC map

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/08/piecing-together-witness-accounts-of-the-dallas-attack/ great videos

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/police-provide-details-of-shootout-at-el-centro-8504326 D OB july 20

http://fox43.com/2016/07/07/dallas-shooting-shooters-kill-5-officers-injures-others-during-black-lives-matter-protest/ July 7 fox 43

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/07/two-police-officers-shot-at-dallas-anti-police-protest/ dailycaller july 7 early video

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dallas-county/students-faculty-remain-under-lockdown-at-el-centro-classes-cancelled/267283004 wfaa july 8

Police took one suspect in the shooting into custody in or near the parking garage after a shootout, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said in a statement Thursday night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSv5e4RaGJI SJ entry on Austin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2z2AM58KPg early video after Micah Johnson/police suv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uCP3EfXvhc propaganda july 31

https://www.dart.org/riding/stations/westendstation.asp dart west end station market/lamar



http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Rally-Attack-Witness-Accounts-386007301.html new witness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJIWeRGa6Uw Police audio

3:45 "We got a guy with a long rifle, we don't know where the hell he's at."

18:15 "We got an open window on the side of Lamar, we got rifles hanging out."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6vAOi_3eCE Lamar street entrance/patrick cooper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKIOkdct7AI officers enter from lamar street

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnmguqcjzqE shaw and abbot enter on lamar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldl3vF13NJs altered video

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/health/dallas-shootout-police-perspective/ Abbot july 15

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5073735094001/new-polls-indicate-trouble-for-trump/?#sp=show-clips shetamia taylor


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVxfvvVXJ2A first shots on Commerce



https://www.romper.com/p/eyewitness-accounts-from-the-dallas-shootings-paint-a-terrifying-scene-13932 eyewitnesses

http://fox59.com/2016/07/07/at-least-2-officers-reportedly-shot-in-dallas-during-protest/ """

http://www.afro.com/first-hand-account-of-dallas-police-shooting/ dallas witness story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNsVjBtC3FU three suspects arrested


This video fails to include the 15-20 bullet holes in the rear window of the cop car south of Main on the east side of Lamar. This may be one of the reasons the early story had Micah walking north on Lamar, but that's all been changed most likely due to Sidney Johnson's (Central Track) early video. This fairy tale animation doesn't provide any evidence or research that Micah Johnson was involved in the initial ambush. The dash cam footage from this cop car would likely show Micah getting out of his suv and then taking cover behind it before moving to the pillar.

The bullet holes can be seen at the 14 and 28 second mark. Micah was hiding behind his suv for the first four seconds of Sidney's video and he emerges at the 12-13 second mark. At least 8-10 gunshots are heard that Micah could not have fired during the 8-15 second duration.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Main+St+%26+N+Lamar+St,+Dallas,+TX+75202/@32.7795382,-96.8042855,3a,60y,314.85h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shNOmJYeRidy9S77XvegFRg!2e0!6s% 2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DhNOmJYeRidy9S 77XvegFRg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearc h.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D86%26h%3D86%26yaw% 3D345.88904%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0 x864e991798007d6f:0xa6466e013c691216!8m2!3d32.7795 644!4d-96.8042933!6m1!1e1


Instead of proving Micah Johnson was the only shooter, they make up delusional reasons for not releasing evidence and information about this massive cover-up. This case defines so clearly how stupid the world really is. THERE IS NO PERSON ON PLANET EARTH WHO THINKS they used excessive force when killing Johnson.

Brown told the City Council earlier this month that much of the information about the attack could be withheld for an indefinite period during an investigation into whether the use of force was justified. He declined to estimate how long that investigation might take, but said his office’s findings would be reviewed by the district attorney and a grand jury.

Authorities have refused public records requests for police reports, 911 calls, audio and video recordings, autopsy documents, crime scene photos and evidence gathered at Johnson's house, which police initially said held an arsenal of weapons and bomb-making material and a journal of combat tactics possibly indicating plans for a larger attack. Other officials have told The Associated Press that Johnson did not have a large stockpile of bomb-making materials.

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2:35-3:00 "We know we have another female that we are interviewing." "I do know that the female was a light-skinned african american."

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/653c92b9-fb27-40b1-9e5c-e1452a6b369d_zpsrh5cyexj.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/Kendrick%20Johnson%20Homicide/653c92b9-fb27-40b1-9e5c-e1452a6b369d_zpsrh5cyexj.png.html)




http://the-fringe.com/thread-did_hillary_clinton_murder_vince_foster VF


http://www.allanfavish.com/images/PDF/autopsy.pdf AR

http://www.allanfavish.com/index.php/vincent-foster/199-hugh-sprunt-analysis-of-starr-report-on-foster-death """

Gun found in right hand of a left-handed man. When Foster’s widow was asked if her Husband was left-handed she famously replied “No Comment”.



http://www.inwardquest.com/questions/3306/what-does-the-term-down-the-rabbit-hole-mean rabbit hole

Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.
For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. [And there is nothing buried that will not be raised.]"

http://www.fbicover-up.com/miguel-rodriguez.html Knowlton

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/hillary-clintons-continuing-lack-of-interest-in-cover-up-of-vince-fosters-murder/ Hugh Turley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNV-XNfODWc left handed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/555472/posts russell welch poisoned

http://unsolved.com/archives/jeremy-bright unsolved




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CjofkDV12w self defense



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html wiener

frisco kid
10-11-2016, 07:46 PM
Alexander S. Wiener (March 16, 1907 — November 6, 1976), American physician, immunohematologist. | Prabook (http://prabook.com/web/person-view.html?profileId=1065735) wiener bio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ03Nw7ohww CNN 4:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akO1mCpg4w8 time served

https://www.scribd.com/doc/229667084/State-of-Arkansas-V-Thomas-Alfred-Taylor SCRIBD

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/07/multiple_shots_reportedly_fired_at_protest_in_dall as.html


Hillary Clinton: I had some really tough clients. I had one appear, a prosecutor called me years ago, said that he had a guy who was accused of rape...and the guy wanted a woman lawyer...

Roy Reed: Mmh. Why?

Hillary: Would I do it as a favor to him.

Roy Reed: That's really odd.

Clinton: He said, you know, "Can't prove anything!" Can see a slight trace but it wouldn't be enough to test, all that." So I wrote back told Mahlon Gibson that I had...well, sorry I can't remember his name but I cut out who's who and I wrote all that stuff and I handed it to Mahlon Gibson, and I said, “Well this guy’s ready to come up from New York to prevent this miscarriage of justice.” [laughs]

According to crazy Hillary, the lab threw away the cut out with blood on it. That's doesn't make any sense and refutes every article written on this case. They tested it too.

Hillary: But you know what was sad about it was that the prosecutors had evidence, among which was his underwear.

Roy Reed: His what?

Hillary: His underwear which was bloody. Was sent down to the lab. The crime lab took the pair of underpants, neatly cut out the part that they were going to test..tested it.

Hillary: So they presented the underpants with a hole in it. "I said what kind of evidence is that?" You know a pair of underpants with a hole in it. Course the crime lab had thrown away.

Roy Reed: Oh.

Hillary: The piece that they'd cut out. It was really odd. I mean I plea baragined it down because it turned out they didn't have any evidence.

Hillary changed the story just a little (2003) by importing the judge, but she maintained that it was Gibson's idea. This fact fiction by PF does not highlight two huge discrepancies such as Gibson's claim that she called him, and his non-involvement at the origin. Mahlon Gibson is the origin of Clinton taking this case.

There can be no stronger evidence that BS was added decades later than Hillary not offering any of this in her unguarded interview some twenty years earlier. All of this garbage was falsely added to dampen her defense of the horrific rape of a child. Note how PF omits the very important detail about when Hillary supposedly called him. Gibson is lying about Hillary calling him. That is clear.

Gibson said Clinton called him shortly after the judge assigned her to the case and said, “I don't want to represent this guy. I just can't stand this. I don't want to get involved. Can you get me off?”

According to Gibson, Clinton called him and said, "I don't want to represent this guy. I just can't stand this. I don't want to get involved. Can you get me off?"

"I told her, ‘Well, contact the judge and see what he says about it,’ but I also said, ‘Don't jump on him and make him mad,’ " Gibson said. "She contacted the judge, and the judge didn't remove her, and she stayed on the case."

Clinton remembered the case differently in Living History. In it, she wrote that Washington County prosecutor Mahlon Gibson "called to tell me an indigent prisoner accused of raping a twelve-year-old girl wanted a woman lawyer. Gibson had recommended that the criminal court judge, Maupin
Cummings, appoint me. I told Mahlon I really don’t feel comfortable taking on such a client, but
Mahlon gently reminded me that I couldn’t very well refuse the judge’s request."


Dale Gibson, the investigator, doesn’t recall seeing evidence that the girl had fabricated previous attacks…..The victim was visibly stunned when handed the affidavit by a reporter this fall. “It kind of shocks me – it’s not true,” she said. “I never said anybody attacked my body before, never in my life.”


http://sweetness-light.com/archive/hillary-versus-the-allegedly-raped-child glen thrush


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SKkLVsWT54 8:50 July 5, 2014 http://freebeacon.com/politics/took-20-years-hillary-clinton-say-tried-relieved-rape-case/

“When I was a 27-year-old attorney doing legal aid work at the where I taught in Fayetteville, Arkansas, I was appointed by the local judge to represent a criminal defendant accused of rape,” she said. “I asked to be relieved of that responsibility, but I was not. And I had a professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability, which I did.”

Politifact was unable to locate any record that Clinton was appointed by a judge to take the case.

http://talkbusiness.net/2014/06/cook-media-misses-major-fact-1975-hillary-clinton-legal-case/ June 25, 2014 Wednesday

Mahlon Gibson:
“I’ve had one conversation in my life with Hillary Clinton that I can remember, and I think that’s the only one I ever had really… …He [Taylor] was accused of raping a 12-year old girl and he didn’t have funds to hire an attorney. The public defender was appointed to represent him and for some reason the public defender, I guess, wanted off or couldn’t handle it, I don’t know what the problem was there. But Judge Cummings relieved him and appointed Hillary. She was appointed to that case.”

Gibson was not privy to Taylor’s demand that he be represented by a female attorney. Gibson’s deputy at the time handled this particular case.

Taylor was assigned a public defender in the case but Gibson said he quickly “[U]started screaming for a woman attorney” to represent him.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/25/prosecutor-in-controversial-case-says-clinton-had-no-choice-but-to-defend-rapist/ June 25, 2014


Clinton claims her expert received the Nobel for discovery of the Rh(esus) factor (a type of protein on the surface of red blood cells). The Rh factor was discovered in 1937 by Drs. Karl Landsteiner, Alexander Wiener and Philip Levine. Dr. Landsteiner did receive the Nobel Prize in 1930 “for his (1901) discovery of human blood groups” (not for the decades later discovery of Rh). And Landsteiner died on June 26, 1943 – more than 30 years before paper-plant worker Thomas Taylor raped an elementary school girl off an highway in Arkansas.

Neither Alexander Wiener nor Philip Levine, highly accomplished clinicians, was awarded a Nobel Prize. However, Wiener did live in Brooklyn – and considering how fast-and-loose the Clinton camp plays with facts, that may be as real as it gets. With such independently verifiable aspects of her story being untrue, it’s up to the public to decide whether or not it can believe Clinton’s word, or that of her ghostwriters or spokesperson(s) vis-à-vis the non-verifiable aspects.


The case was based on two male witnesses, the girl and the DNA evidence on Taylor's underwear. The crime lab cut a hole out of the underwear to test, then sent the rest of the underwear back to investigators and threw away the portion they tested.


Hillary Clinton laughs about getting off a sicko who raped a 12 year old girl in 1975

To find out if you’re a psychopath like Hillary Rodham Clinton, go here.



Dr. Wiener spent most of his career working at the Brooklyn Jewish Hospital. He also helped the police with many investigations, using his identifications of blood types to help solve crimes. His original intent was to find as many factors in blood to make blood as identifiable as a fingerprint. Of course, with modern DNA technology, that is now possible.




John Barry Baker, the public defender Taylor fired in favor of Rodham, was struck by her intensity when he hitched a ride with her to the crime scene.

“Taylor was alleged to have raped this girl in a car right near a very busy highway — I told her it seems sort of improbable and she immediately agreed,” said Baker, who remembered Rodham as “smart, capable and very focused.”


On May 21, 1975, Tom Taylor rose in court to demand that Washington County Judge Maupin Cummings allow him to fire his male court-appointed lawyer in favor of a female atto

He still lived in the same house his father had been born and now had a huge fence around it.

She falsely claimed that Alexander Weiner lived in the same house his father (George) was born in. That was easily proven to be a lie by reading his wiki page. Ancestry.com provided the birth year of 1885 and the same immigration year of 1903.

Alexander Solomon Wiener was born in Brooklyn, New York, the son of George Wiener, an attorney who had emigrated from Russia in 1903

"He still lived in the same house where his father had been born and now had a huge fence around it."





https://thefederalist.com/2016/11/01/hillary-clinton-learned-manipulate-law-defending-child-rapist/#disqus_thread new article




https://homemetry.com/Brooklyn+NY/MAPLE+ST/90 90 maple/wiener

frisco kid
11-05-2016, 06:06 PM
The 4 Things You Need to Know About Hillary's Defense of an Alleged Child Rapist | Daily Wire (http://www.dailywire.com/news/9852/4-things-you-need-know-about-hillarys-defense-frank-camp)

Articles: The Tragic Life of Kathy Shelton (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/11/the_tragic_life_of_kathy_shelton.html)

Taylor was assigned a public defender, John Barry Baker, but Taylor reportedly wanted a female to represent him. Hillary Diane Rodham was in charge of the Law Clinic located at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville. A year earlier, she and her future husband Bill had returned to Arkansas from Washington, D.C. Hillary had been a staff member of the House Judiciary Committee during Richard Nixon's impeachment and reportedly was fired for unethical behavior. Bill lost his first election in an attempt to become a member of the U.S. House from Arkansas. They both began teaching law at the University.

During Bill's first campaign in 1974, he met Judge Maupin Cummings, who would eventually oversee Kathy's rape trial. He told his son Gordon Cummings to keep an eye on Bill who was striving for a political career. The younger Cummings would end up being one of Clinton's first campaign donors, and become a longtime friend.

When Taylor reportedly requested a female to represent him, Judge Cummings told prosecutor Mahlon Gibson (both men were staunch Democrats) to ask Hillary to represent the accused rapist, and replace public defender Baker. However, Baker recalls that Taylor never requested a female defender, and that Judge Cummings called him and said they were replacing him with the "woman from the student law clinic," and Hillary happened to be the only licensed attorney there. Even though Hillary has said she tried to be relieved from the case, Baker also recalled that she was very focused on winning, and once Hillary began investigating the case there are no reports she had any regret in defending Taylor.

Blog: Hillary's rapist client never served a day of his sentence (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/hillarys_rapist_client_never_served_a_day_of_his_s entence.html)

The sheriff in the 1975 case where Hillary Clinton defended an accused rapist and had arranged for a plea bargain says Thomas Alfred Taylor never served time in jail after he was sentenced. This despite a court order that sentenced Taylor to only ten months in jail.

Read more: Blog: Hillary's rapist client never served a day of his sentence (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/hillarys_rapist_client_never_served_a_day_of_his_s entence.html#ixzz4UXoqryg7)
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Arkansas rape victim comes forward after 40 years to call Hillary Clinton a ?liar? | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3729466/Child-rape-victim-comes-forward-time-40-years-call-Hillary-Clinton-liar-defended-rapist-smearing-blocking-evidence-callously-laughing-knew-guilty.html) gordon cummings

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James: "Yes, 'Hardwired... To Self-Destruct', to me… I guess what it means to be is that… A friend of mine told me that… Sometimes he and I would get in trouble a lot, and is it just that we are hardwired that way. I need my friends to tell me some better decisions sometimes, and sometimes I don't. And just wondering if man in general is wired one way or another. But also, I think, a lot of these songs deal with man on the planet. Who do we think we are? In the history of the universe, we have been around a millisecond, and we think we can control the world and global warming and everything. Do we really have that kind of control, or is it [that] our time is finished? I don't know. So, a little bit of a cynical approach to mankind."
Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/metallica-james-hetfield-on-hardwired-album-a-lot-of-these-songs-deal-with-man-on-the-planet/#gWG0FWH7LTPGTKpf.99

A vote of the people does determine who our president is, but instead of the popular vote winner getting the votes, he/she earns a number of electors which are allocated to each state based on its population. It is a vote of the Electoral College, with delegates equal to the number of Representatives and Senators accorded to each state. Each state, except Maine and Nebraska, casts all its votes for the winner of the popular vote in their state. Hillary could only logically receive 55 EV for CA. It wouldn't matter whether she won by 1 or 10 million votes, she gets the 55 electors allocated to our largest state. This prevents a lopsided vote count from spilling over into the general election. Liberals are nuts. Trump won the electoral college 306-232, a decisive victory, no less.

Kristy Bryan


The couple also had a third child, a girl, but police said she left for school just before the fire started.


School Day Schedule
8:45am-Students may enter the building
9:15am-School day begins

Rolesville Elementary School does host a before and after school care program on site. Morning care is held from 7:00-8:45am and afternoon care is held from 3:45pm-6:00pm.


Before School Care: 7am-8:45am


http://www.ffci.net/in-the-news important video early



Autopsies of the couple, released Tuesday, indicate both suffered "ligature strangulation and thermal injury." They were found side by side in bed at his home Roles 6205 Saddle Drive.

A black and tan, ligation consisting of interlocking plastic zip-ties is surrounded by the collar of Tyler Bryan; pieces of melted plastic were found in the left and right lateral neck Bryan Kristy, according to the report of the autopsy.


-1:35 Smoke layer descends rapidly, temperature exceeds 190°F.
-2:48 Smoke pours into other rooms.
-4:33 Flames just now visible from exterior of house – first evidence of fire from outside. AT THIS POINT, RESCUE MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/05/without-electoral-college-wed-likely-dictator/ republic


frisco kid
12-14-2016, 08:02 PM
Kelsey Patrick McCune sentenced to 8 years in prison for kidnapping, raping 13-year-old girl | OregonLive.com (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/index.ssf/2014/07/kelsey_patrick_mccune_sentence.html)


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The Charley Project: Jamie Michelle Fraley (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fraley_jamie.html) jamie fraley

MISSING: 19-year-old Katelin Akens from Spotsylvania, VA | CourtJunkie (http://courtjunkie.com/missing-katelin-akens/) Katelin Akens

http://www.inquisitr.com/2950525/brooke-bridges-found-but-what-actually-happened-to-her/ Brooke Bridges



According to the sheriff’s office, Akens’ stepfather was driving her to Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport on Dec. 5, when the teen asked to be dropped off at the Springfield mall.

Deputies say the investigation shows Katelin never left Spotsylvania.

"The investigation to date indicates Katelin and her property never left Spotsylvania County," Pearce said on the one-year anniversary of Katelin's disappearance.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?297107-VA-Katelin-Akens-19-Springfield-5-December-2015-2/page28 Web sleuths

https://www.facebook.com/ffminc/?fref=nf PI

http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gss=sfs28_ms_f-2_s&new=1&rank=1&msT=1&gsln=akens&gsln_x=0&msypn__ftp=Spotsylvania%20County%2C%20Virginia%2C% 20USA&msypn=2744&msypn_PInfo=7-%7C0%7C1652393%7C0%7C2%7C0%7C49%7C0%7C2744%7C0%7C0 %7C0%7C&MSAV=1&_83004003-n_xcl=m&cp=0&catbucket=rstp&uidh=000 ancestry

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http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4587148-cold-case-what-ever-happened-to-amy-sue-pagnac-/ amy pagnac

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?195206-MN-Amy-Sue-Pagnac-13-Osseo-5-Aug-1989/page21 24
I believe that the police worked with the information that they were given. The police had been called to the house several times in the recent past for Amy running away. The police report states that as they (whoever "they" may be, either Amy and her dad or Amy and both of her parents) were going to get gas when "suddenly their <redacted> got out of the car and just took off" I assume the redacted portion is "daughter" because all references to Amy have been redacted from the report that I have seen, presumably because she was a minor at the time.

The parents go on to describe where they think Amy may have run off to. The report references that they think she may have gone to the Bridge (capitalized) in "Hpls." Does anyone know what that is or where it is?

The police had no reason whatsoever to believe Amy had been abducted according to the parents.

The story that has been told has changed a LOT since that report was taken 25 years ago.


Amy and her father Marshall Midden stopped at the gas station. Marshall went inside to use the restroom and reported when he returned to the car, Amy had disappeared.

Neighbors report of hearing gun shots the night before,

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/28/police-8-boys-accused-minnesota-teacher-husband-abuse.html cover-up
http://www.copblock.org/131074/police-coverup-child-sex-abuse/ CSA
http://altereddimensions.net/2016/the-franklin-child-abuse-scandal-potential-boys-town-pedophile-cover-up-child-prostitution-ring franklin

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/13/california-man-charged-in-kidnapping-police-called-a-hoax/30099721/ Matthew Muller
Muller denies involvement in her abduction and his trial is scheduled for January.


http://wbtw.com/2015/10/15/missing-teen-mckenna-spindler-gets-probationary-sentence-for-false-police-report-charge/ false report
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/4990dmca.html suicide
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3552dfne.html solved
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3540dfal.html Sherry Milton
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3620dfnh.html maura murray
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3601dfca.html golden gate
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/barrington_sondra.html solved
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3187dfca.html solved
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3188dfca.html show
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3682dfaz.html show
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3203dfin.html solved
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/5033dmmi.html MI
http://www.doenetwork.org/archive/2016_Updates.pdf page 24

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/09/reaction-trumps-team-proves-climate-alarmists-real-deniers/ climate crazies

http://www.kwch.com/content/news/KC-police-search-for-missing-Wichita-woman-411018955.html toni anderson




As she was being pulled over, Anderson sent a message to childhood friend Roxy Townsend, who told the Wichita Eagle, “Tonie gets pulled over a lot because she drives late at night a lot, and she doesn’t have cruise control in her car. I just figured this was another one of those times.”



within a brief preceding time; but a moment before:
The sun just came out.
OMG just just pulled over again






now or (almost) at the same time, or very soon, or very recently:
He just left – if you run, you can catch him.



"He'll come across the street and do a u-turn and turn his lights on, park directly behind her."


frisco kid
02-04-2017, 06:32 PM
VA VA - Katelin Akens, 19, Springfield, 5 December 2015 - #3 - Page 22 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?316077-VA-Katelin-Akens-19-Springfield-5-December-2015-3/page22)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-V-9v0QR10 timeline 1-18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWVlelgy1Fs Jan. 18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-noJ2lxfWKA Jan. 20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PLZMhGQr5E 1-19

Distance 8.0 Miles | 10 min

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Friends launch first public search for Toni Anderson, last seen by KCPD Sunday - + KSHB.com (http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/kcpd-confirms-police-pulled-toni-anderson-over-its-the-last-time-anyone-reportedly-saw-her)
Family desperate to find missing 20-year-old UMKC student - + KSHB.com (http://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/family-desperate-to-find-missing-20-year-old-umkc-student)

Concerns grow as days pass by without any sign of missing woman Toni Anderson | fox4kc.com (http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/18/concerns-grow-as-days-pass-by-without-any-sign-of-missing-woman-toni-anderson/)

Chrome’s manager says he personally walked her out Sunday morning around 4:00. No one at Chrome has heard from her since.


Investigators said shortly after 4 a.m. Sunday morning, Toni left work at the Chrome entertainment bar on 40-Highway, but a short time later police said a North Kansas City police officer stopped Anderson's black, 2014 Ford Focus as she drove down 9-Highway.


http://www.walb.com/story/34046668/south-al-teen-missing-for-year-could-have-been-target-of-human-traffickers Alissia Freeman

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-charles-county-man-says-he-too-was-targeted-for/article_92609f60-ba13-5830-b325-ead4dbbaa9e1.html betsy faria


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That message was sent to Roxy Townsend, a friend of Anderson, who told NBC's Dateline, "There have been many reports of cars in Kansas City impersonating police with lights or sirens so now I'm not sure about what "again" means."

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frisco kid
03-10-2017, 07:16 PM




Found Deceased - MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?331703-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-5/page24)




Since we now know cops are lying about when Toni got gas, we can't trust much of anything they say. Let's assume she got gas at 2525 and tried her atm at 433. Is it believable she got gas some time after driving away south or is it logical to assume she must've gotten it just before she ended up on 26th?


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?331703-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-5/page64 959



"“The officer watched her go just to make sure her story was straight,” says Officer Darin Snapp.

Now officers are trying to figure out why she drove off the way she did.

Snapp says, “We don’t know why she veered to go north before she came back downtown so we are hoping anyone who was supposed to meet her up there, besides the friends she was supposed to meet, will give us a call.”


Kansas City Police Department spokesperson Darin Snapp says 20-year-old Toni Anderson got off work around 4:15 a.m. Sunday and was later pulled over by a North Kansas City police officer near the QuikTrip at 9-Highway and 20th Avenue for an illegal lane change.

Snapp says Anderson told the officer she was almost out of gas, and the officer pointed out the nearby QuikTrip.

"So the officer just told her, you know, there’s a gas station right there, gave her a warning for the violation and watched her actually go to the QuikTrip," Snapp said.


since the early morning hours of Jan. 15. She had been stopped by a North Kansas City police officer for an improper lane change.

When she told the officer she was almost out of gas, he directed her to a QuikTrip at 26th and Burlington streets. The QuikTrip is less than 8 miles away from Platte Landing Park.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?327322-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-1/page41 612


She has not been heard from since, though she received an incoming call at 4:53.


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Well, let's think about this... does it make sense that Toni, after being pulled over and given a warning (whew!), would make a major life decision and decide to run away or commit suicide? No, it does not. So why did she remove the tracking device, then?

The best reason I can think of is that she became suspicious that the reason she was pulled over so much is that the police were using the tracking device to track her. It is probably not a coincidence that she disabled the tracking device immediately after being pulled over.

Device could have been unplugged at the Kwiktrip due to paranoia over police tracking her.

She could then drive off and go down a ravine 100 miles away.

Once we assume the device was unplugged due to the traffic stop, anything becomes possible after that.

It wasn't out of nowhere, though, it was immediately after a traffic stop.

My guess is that the traffic stop made her suspicious that the police were using it to track her, and she didn't want them to track her. So she unplugged it.

frisco kid
04-17-2017, 03:25 PM
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Kasey Russell was last seen in Seminole, Oklahoma on June 27, 2016 - Missing Persons of America (http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2017/04/12/kasey-russell-was-last-seen-in-seminole-oklahoma-on-june-27-2016/)
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article145543029.html 4-19

The cops are gonna to say she went east, directly across burlington into the gas station after their traffic stop. What anchors the position of these three cars before and after their right turn is that car ramp. Toni turned right/south after their traffic stop, leaving the area and was possibly stopped again.









http://www.11alive.com/news/local/investigations/trigger-who-shot-the-officers-wife3/346961107 boyton



Surveillance footage tells no lies. But video shows Hartman in a store in McCleary making a purchase on June 26, 2009, the day Lindsey disappeared.


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Several undeniable details stood out, the veteran detective said.
What was clear: Huskins was missing; the bedsheet was stained with blood; Quinn's car, a blanket and comforter were missing; Quinn waited more than eight hours to report the abduction; and the kidnappers' emails were coming from Quinn's account. Huskins and Quinn, he said, also had been drinking the night before and talking about the relationship. http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-vallejo-police-hoax-denise-huskins-20160801-snap-story.html


frisco kid
07-09-2017, 05:37 PM
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Kansas City police search for missing Toni Anderson - LatestNewsNetwork.com (http://latestnewsnetwork.com/kansas-city-police-search-for-missing-toni-anderson/) 4:11

Missing woman Toni Anderson last seen by KCPD Sunday - WOW.com (http://www.wow.com/video/58800a0cc4d21f0a5388a243)

Police ponder how Toni Anderson&#39;s car ended up in Missouri River | The Kansas City Star (http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article138315643.html)

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Venus Williams' Vehicle Data Shows She Did 20 MPH in Intersection, Says Victims' Attorney | TMZ.com (http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/26/venus-williams-traveling-20-mph-car-crash-wrongful-death/)

Violation of Right of Way Florida Statute 316.075 (http://www.fightyourticket.com/moving_violations/violation_of_right_of_way/)

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Video Shows Venus Williams’ Car Being Struck… She Was NOT at Fault – Speed Society (http://celeb.speedsociety.com/video-shows-venus-williams-car-being-struck-she-was-not-at-fault/)
Venus Williams Not At Fault In Deadly Car Crash - theJasmineBRAND :: theJasmineBRAND (http://thejasminebrand.com/2017/07/08/venus-williams-not-fault-deadly-car-crash/)
Police: Venus Williams at fault in fatal car crash | KATV (http://katv.com/news/nation-world/police-venus-williams-at-fault-in-fatal-car-crash-06-29-2017)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERkh9JM6UuI 5:00

This lie is central to covering for Venus Williams. The video shows the exact opposite happening. The car only started turning after it knew Venus was yielding. She made this certain by literally stopping her car at the very tail end of a quick light. Look above 09 and you'll see the car show up at :23 and commit to turning after :26. Venus is reduced to saying she thought the car would turn, not that it turned in front of her forcing her to stop. We can all only hope and pray the Barson family receives some measure of justice.

As Williams was traveling through the intersection, a Nissan Altima entered the intersection traveling south, and made a left turn in front of Williams’ vehicle, causing her to stop advancing through the intersection to avoid a collision.

"Based on the evidence obtained in the ongoing investigation, it has been determined the vehicle driven by Venus Williams lawfully entered the intersection on a circular green traffic signal, and attempted to travel north through the intersection to Ballenisles Drive. As Williams was traveling through the intersection, a Nissan Altima entered the intersection traveling south, and made a left turn in front of Williams’ vehicle, causing her to stop advancing through the intersection to avoid a collision. The traffic signal then cycled to green, at which time Barson continued westbound and entered the intersection. The front end of Barson’s vehicle collided the right front of Williams’ vehicle."


She was about 10 feet from the curb. She should've immediately backed up at the sight of yellow. That's a long way to go on a red light when all you gotta do is back up. Venus Williams played russian roulette with innocent lives. One innocent life got the bullet. God Bless the Barsons.

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There isn't a single driving instructor who would recommend driving through an intersection on a red light if there was a safe and easy way to exit. People stun with such complete nonsense.


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“I’ve noticed that it’s frankly a surprise when someone comes straight across from Steeplechase to BallenIsles,” Cohen said. “The cars roar by there… It is a safety issue going straight across that road.”

There have been five crashes with injuries at the intersection of BallenIsles Drive, Northlake Boulevard and Steeplechase Drive in the past year and a half, according to Florida’s Integrated Report Exchange System.

Venus was about 10 feet from the curb while she waited for a car, which she allowed to turn. She should've immediately backed up at the sight of the yellow light. That's a long way to go on a red light when all you gotta do is back up. Venus Williams played russian roulette with innocent lives. Mr. Barson lost his life because of Venus's selfish and stupid mistake. Venus Williams had a duty and obligation under Florida law to get her car off the intersection. That was the only safe and sane thing she could've done under these exact circumstances.

Right-of-Way https://www.flhsmv.gov/handbooks/EnglishDriverHandbook.pdf

Right-of-way rules tell you who goes
first and who must wait in different
conditions. The law says who must
yield (give up) the right-of-way. Every
driver, motorcyclist, moped rider,
bicyclist, and pedestrian must do
everything possible to avoid a crash.

The cars started to move before :30, which proves beyond doubt that Venus Williams (AT THE VERY LEAST) saw yellow while standing still. She's going to pay for her blatant stupidity. It's gonna be so much fun to witness this false narrative get smacked down because of simple video observations, which are backed by countless eyewitnesses. Venus Williams knowingly and willingly tried and failed to make it through a long intersection during a red light and got an innocent man killed in the process.



Then for whatever reason she stops for a long time to let that second car, the dark one, make another left turn in front of her. It wasn't like the second left-turn car was buzzing right at her, she definitely paused for a little bit to let it go.


http://www.jarlstrom.com/PDF/Exhibit_1_FINAL_An_investigation_of_the_ITE_formul a_and_its_use_R14.pdf








http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/343990-in-the-fight-between-rick-perry-and-climate-scientists climate kooks

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2017/07/20/parents-help-police-find-teen-daughter-at-nashville-motel-man-charged-with-rape/ cellphone ping




Surveillance video shows her trying to withdraw money from the ATM twice. She left the gas station at about 4:40 A.M., then texted her friend about being stopped by police.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/202464730199630/ donna kay


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frisco kid
08-07-2017, 11:06 PM



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http://www.bet.com/news/national/2017/09/14/sister-of-kenneka-jenkins-describes-the-freezer-where-her-sister.html save

https://www.facebook.com/rene.roberts.1441?fref=gs&hc_ref=ARRvRTrX_VrHLaWuCHsOe_D8uKsigMrkoub6FlxzVW2 YiT7X-DXaBg69LpwExR7nvz8&hc_location=group


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvy8z4sHh1Y&t=0s imp

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGHmBPsyuOw&t=19s map

http://www.essence.com/news/timeline-kenneka-jenkins-timeline#1249457 timeline

frisco kid
10-10-2017, 01:01 PM


Papadopoulos Docs Give More Evidence Russiagate Was A Setup (http://thefederalist.com/2018/09/04/papadopouloss-court-docs-provide-evidence-russiagate-setup-get-trump/)




A car dealer has an established place of business. If there are issues with the car a customer can go back to the dealership and discuss it with the dealer. The majority of dealers want to maintain a positive business reputation with their customers.


A dealer's reputation may be checked online through a number of organizations such as the Better Business Bureau at bbb.org, Edmunds.com, carfax.com or dealerrater.com.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPdBXh-ltaA ZAPRUDER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inT9IfUxdiM&t=49s 5:35

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZHK1fFTMTc new







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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W88bHGeJffk lobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HGUHmf97Kk&t=4468s foodcourt


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_Expressway kennedy hwy
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20170919/near-west-side/kenneka-jenkins-rosemont near west side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmymKxavKg8&t=9s lobby

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-kenneka-jenkins-hotel-freezer-timeline-20171020-story.html timeline
http://prorev.com/2006/08/strange-death-of-jerry-parks-and-even.htm foster

• Sept. 8, 11:30 p.m.: Kenneka Jenkins leaves her West Side home in her mother’s car with friends. At first they plan to go to a movie, but instead decide to head to the Crowne Plaza Chicago O'Hare Hotel & Conference Center in Rosemont to attend another friend’s birthday party. On the way to the hotel, they stop to pick up a Bluetooth speaker, a bottle of Hennessy Cognac, some energy drink and some marijuana, the friends later told police.

• Sept. 9, 1:13 a.m.: Jenkins enters the hotel with three other females.

• Sept. 9, approximately 1:30 a.m.: Jenkins sends a text message to her sister, according to police reports. The family says that’s the last time they hear from her directly.

• Sept. 9, 1:36 a.m.: A Facebook live video appears to show the party in a ninth-floor hotel room. The video, now viewed by millions, features a woman in mirrored sunglasses talking to the camera. Reflected in her glasses is the other side of the hotel room, where Jenkins appears to be sitting.

• Sept. 9, 2:17 a.m.: Jenkins posts a Snapchat video that appears to show her in a hotel bathroom, according to what her sister told police. Friends say there were about 30 people at the party and that Jenkins spent the time talking with friends, drinking and dancing.

• Sept. 9, around 3 a.m.: As friends prepare to leave the party, Jenkins realizes she’s missing some belongings, including her phone. She stands in the hallway by a ninth-floor elevator while her friends go back to the room to look for her belongings, according to a police report. A friend said it took about 10 or 15 minutes; when they returned to the hallway, Jenkins was gone.

• Sept. 9, 3:25 to 3:32 a.m.: Surveillance video, which wouldn’t be seen until hours later, shows Jenkins staggering around the hotel by herself, bumping into walls and a stair railing. She lurches through an empty kitchen, disappears around a corner is never seen alive again. Investigators later learn the door to the freezer in which Jenkins was found — actually a freezer within a walk-in cooler — shuts automatically but, from the inside, the door latch can be activated by pushing a white, circular handle.

• Sept. 9, about 4 a.m.: Jenkins’ friend calls her mother to ask if she’s arrived home and let her know Jenkins cannot be found at the hotel.

• Sept. 9, about 5 a.m.: Jenkins’ friends return to her mother’s home with her mother’s car, according to a police report. Friends tell the family they lost Jenkins at the hotel and left after searching for her.

• Sept. 9, about 7:15 a.m.: Jenkins’ mother, Tereasa Martin, calls Rosemont police from the parking lot. By now she and other relatives and friends have been at the hotel for at least an hour, seeking answers about Jenkins. During the call, the dispatcher suggests to Martin that she wait a couple of hours, go home and relax and see if her daughter shows up, and advises her to come back to police if there’s no sign of her. Martin expresses her concerns that her daughter has been drinking. She also asks why her daughter would leave her cellphone behind if she’s OK.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=663QtoF2190 elevator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UXLjEq9rE4 foodcourt


Advance to 1:00 and watch Greer place the gun in his left with both hands off the wheel. He turns around the first time only after he secures the gun and after his right hand returned to the wheel. Watch the cartoon of the driver shooting back on the passenger's head.

An inside job. http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/24/who-killed-jfk-the-cia-the-russians-ted-cruzs-dad/

Another persistent belief is that American officials were somehow involved. One theory is that the fatal bullet actually came from the driver of Kennedy’s own car as he attempted to fire upon Oswald.

“If you look at a really bad copy of the Zapruder film, it will look like William Greer, the driver, reached over his shoulder with a gun and shot Kennedy in the head,” John McAdams, author of “JFK Assassination Logic: How to Think about Claims of Conspiracy,” told The Daily Beast. “But his hands were on the steering wheel the whole time, it only looks differently in a very bad copy of the Zapruder film.”

Denial of fact

In this form of denial, someone avoids a fact by utilizing deception. This lying can take the form of an outright falsehood (commission), leaving out certain details to tailor a story (omission), or by falsely agreeing to something (assent). Someone who is in denial of fact is typically using lies to avoid facts they think may be painful to themselves or others.







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https://richardboydenreport.wordpress.com/2017/04/13/toni-anderson-raped-and-murdered-by-nkcpd-rogue-cop-bill-ficken-and-his-brothers-in-blue/ boyden
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/2525+Burlington+St,+North+Kansas+City,+MO+64116/39.1819983,-94.6951694/@39.1821141,-94.6961263,225m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m10!1m1!1s0x87c0f0b4c8e0a 615:0xde84aea68c25df7f!2m2!1d-94.579789!2d39.1472445!3m4!1m2!1d-94.6949508!2d39.1821196!3s0x87c0f4fe0dadc023:0x6b2 7f0d7f8b217dd!1m0!3e0
http://newslanc.com/keisling-luna-was-the-worst-murder-ive-ever-seen/ luna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtcrHgeEOGM kenneka timeline
https://heavy.com/news/2017/09/monifah-shelton-kenneka-jenkins-martin-best-friend-chicago-freezer-death/ 5

frisco kid
11-30-2017, 05:10 PM
Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2 - Page 10 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?327793-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-2/page10)

"Cell phones keep sending a signal several times a minute even though they are turned off. The only way to stop the GPS signal from a cell phone is to take out the battery, which is nearly imp

Not sure what part of this question is the actual question.

Cops track people all the time, for various reasons, especially people involved with drugs. I doubt they use insurance devices, though, but they could, if they got a warrant. As far as I know they install their own device.

The story is that Toni was pulled over a lot. It sounds to me like it's probably a combination of bad driving and the time she's on the road. But she may have been baffled as to why she got pulled over so much and blamed in on the insurance tracking device.

It's just a theory. She was pulled over. Immediately after she unplugged her device. They seem connected.

Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2 - Page 29 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?327793-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-2/page29) 430

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Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2 - Page 35 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?327793-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-2/page35)

Found Deceased MO - Toni Anderson, 20, North Kansas City, 15 Jan 2017 #2 - Page 38 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?327793-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-2/page38) Important
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?327793-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-2/page45 667-671

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he says the family said the phone was on until monday morning, and the police will not comment.
Last edited by drjones; 01-26-2017 at 05:55 PM.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?328222-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-3/page9 149

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?328222-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-3/page18 269

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?328222-MO-Toni-Anderson-20-North-Kansas-City-15-Jan-2017-3/page30 important 37

We know that she voluntarily did quite a few unexplained things. Drove right past where she was supposed to go. Went to a strange location. Got pulled over. Pulled her insurance tracker. Couldn't get her card to work. Typed 'just' twice.

I was just at the QuikTrip at 26th and Burlington and I noticed that they have cameras around the whole building including the backside of the building. I've got to think the police department have reviewed those videos and if they haven't then why didn't they.


Family said police got information from her iCloud back from Apple this week, and they're hoping it leads to a break in the case.




https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1504342,-94.5683211,15.27z map

http://fox4kc.com/2017/03/17/police-find-multiple-stolen-vehicles-at-tow-lot-after-owner-refuses-to-cooperate/ bloodworth


http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/03/31/Police-identify-body-in-river.html boat launch

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGMFd5OFij4&t=216s part 2


"But I do know that when she started her car the GPS is no longer transmitting on her car," said Sgt. Caldwell.

And as Toni leaves the gas station to get back on the highway known as the Route 9 Corridor, you can see the cop who'd pulled her over continue to follow her until she is out of view of surveillance cameras.

"There is no visual evidence to show where she went," said Sgt. Caldwell.

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https://www.juralindex.com/gary-w-ficken.html Ficken




"He'll come across the street and do a u-turn and turn his lights on, park directly behind her."

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frisco kid
12-01-2017, 10:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-v_YpIzWuM Dallas shooting July 7 2017
Snipers kill 5 cops at Dallas protest | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/two-cops-shot-during-protests-in-dallas/)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl6BvnZ_XhU dallas new video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uTHnEwtXK4 15:28
http://www.khou.com/news/intern-covering-dallas-protest-captured-shooting-chaos-on-video/268080185 sydney johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVxfvvVXJ2A """

“Pulled over again:” Woman reported missing after texting friend found dead in submerged car | FOX6Now.com (http://fox6now.com/2017/03/15/pulled-over-again-woman-reported-missing-after-texting-friend-found-dead-in-submerged-car/) 4;11
Missing Kansas City woman’s last text: ‘OMG just pulled over again’ | FOX2now.com (http://fox2now.com/2017/01/17/missing-kansas-city-womans-last-text-omg-just-pulled-over-again/)
Missouri police are not allowed to release video footage of missing Toni Anderson due to Missouri State law (http://thedailyhaze.com/police-footage-missing-toni-anderson/) 440


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"Guccifer 2.0" is a persona claiming to be the hacker(s) that hacked into the Democratic National Committee (DNC) computer network and then leaked its documents to the media,[1][2] the website WikiLeaks,[3][4][5][6][7] and a conference event.[8] Some of the documents Guccifer 2.0 released to the media appear to be forgeries cobbled together from public information and previous hacks, which had been salted with disinformation.[9][10][11]

The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks that Guccifer 2.0 has said were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC were committed by two Russian intelligence groups.[12][13][14][15][16][17] This conclusion is based on analyses conducted by various private sector cybersecurity individuals and firms, including CrowdStrike,[18][19] Fidelis Cybersecurity,[19][20] Fireeye's Mandiant,[19] SecureWorks,[21] ThreatConnect,[22] Trend Micro,[23] and the security editor for Ars Technica.[24] The Russian government denies involvement in the theft,[25] and "Guccifer 2.0" denied links to Russia.[26][27] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said that multiple parties had access to DNC emails and that there was "no proof" that Russia was behind the attack.[28] According to various cybersecurity firms and U.S. government officials, Guccifer 2.0 is a persona that was created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[29][30] In March 2018, Special Counsel Robert Mueller took over investigation of Guccifer 2.0 from the FBI while it was reported that forensic determination had found the Guccifer 2.0 persona to be a "particular military intelligence directorate (GRU) officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow".[31]

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Speaking publicly for the first time, Ford said that one summer in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and a friend — both “stumbling drunk,” Ford alleges — corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County.

Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room.

Notes from an individual therapy session the following year, when she was being treated for what she says have been long-term effects of the incident, show Ford described a “rape attempt” in her late teens.

In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions, she recounted being trapped in a room with two drunken boys, one of whom pinned her to a bed, molested her and prevented her from screaming. He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh’s last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh — then a federal judge — might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court.

She married her husband in 2002. Early in their relationship, she told him she had been a victim of physical abuse, he said. A decade later, he learned the details of that alleged abuse when the therapist asked her to tell the story, he said.



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Romney formed a committee of lawyers in August 2011 to advise him on court nominations and on legal policy questions led by prominent conservatives such as Robert Bork, whose conservative views led Democrats to block his 1987 nomination to the court.


“She was like, ‘I can’t deal with this. If he becomes the nominee, then I’m moving to another country. I cannot live in this country if he’s in the Supreme Court,’ ” her husband said. “She wanted out.”

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, who ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage." - Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr.





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WAPO 9-16 Notes from an individual therapy session the following year, when she was being treated for what she says have been long-term effects of the incident, show Ford described a (“rape attempt” in her late teens).

VOX 9-19 Her allegations were documented by her therapist in notes from sessions in 2012 and 2013, in which (Ford talked about a “rape attempt”) and being attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school.”

FOX 9-20 Additional notes from a later therapy session said she discussed a (“rape attempt” that occurred when she was a teenager,) The Washington Post reported.

Huffpost 10-3 Notes from an individual therapy session in 2013 describe a (“rape attempt” in Ford’s teens).

https://coercioncode.com/2018/09/30/christine-blasey-ford-lies-lies-and-more-lies/ ONE DOOR

Who is Christine Blasey Ford, the professor who accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct? | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/24/who-is-christine-blasey-ford-professor-who-accused-brett-kavanaugh-sexual-misconduct.html)


Notes from an individual therapy session the following year show Ford described a “rape attempt” in her late teens.


2013: Notes from an individual therapy session said Ford talked about a "rape attempt" from when she was a teenager, according to the Post.


The notes don’t name Kavanaugh, and they say four boys were involved, not two. Ford told the Post this was the therapist’s error — there were four boys at the party, she said, but only two in the room. Notes from another individual therapy session in 2013 show that Ford talked about a “rape attempt” in her teens.


Notes from an individual therapy session the following year, when she was being treated for what she says have been long-term effects of the incident, show Ford described a "rape attempt" in her late teens.


4. Why Do Her Therapist’s Notes Conflict With Her Account? Ford showed her therapist’s notes to The Washington Post. Those notes conflict with her account. The notes don’t include names, instead stating that the alleged perpetrators were “from an elitist boys’ school,” and had since become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes also state that four boys were involved, not two; she says her therapist got it wrong, and that there were four boys at the party but only two boys involved. Another therapy session the following year includes the charge that Ford underwent a “rape attempt” in “her late teens,” but she was allegedly 15 – not late teens – when this incident occurred. Her husband, who was present for the first therapy session, said Kavanaugh’s name was raised, but the Post account doesn’t say that Kavanaugh was called the alleged perpetrator.





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According to the building permit, the Fords removed a home office attached to the garage, expanded the garage and added a master bedroom onto the front, with its own front door. The new bedroom’s front door opens onto the street, perpendicular to an adjacent front door on the great room.

They now rent out the master bedroom with a private door to Google interns, Ford testified.
The floor plan is dated Nov. 29, 2007, and received a plan check approval from the city on Jan. 28, 2008. Other documents were submitted for the renovation on Feb. 4, 2008.

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UPDATE: Christine Ford spoke about the second front door at least three times in her testimony.

She talks about it again here. She says the incident in the 1980’s is in her medical records twice: “The first time is in 2012 with my husband in couples therapy with the quibbling over the remodel”. Very much present tense, as in remodel happening at same time as couples therapy.


https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/10/02/building_documents_undermine_fords_exit_door_accou nt.html
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Speaking exclusively to DailyMailTV a family member close to Keyser, 52, said: ‘Christine didn’t give her so much as a heads up – as far as I know they haven’t really spoken for several years and they’re certainly not close anymore.
‘Leland was completely blindsided by her name being thrown into it all. The first thing she knew about it was when she woke up on Thursday morning and her name was just everywhere. It was crazy.’


https://www.habaricloud.today/2018/09/27/kavanaugh-hearing-christine-ford-close-to-tears-as-she-describes-assault/ home
‘I can’t give the exact date and I wish I could,’ Ford said.
She added she used her memories to narrow down a year.
‘I’m just using memories when I got my drivers’ license,’ she said. ‘I did not drive to or home from that party and once I got my driving license I liked to drive myself.’

https://thefederalist.com/2018/10/17/brett-kavanaugh-sue-christine-blasey-ford-defamation/ 10-17

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