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Sebacid
08-21-2013, 10:30 AM
I thought this challenge needs some promoting to get us all involved in it.

I want people who are taking on this challenge to post their progress, results, questions, photos etc. in this thread.

Basically anything that involves this challenge belongs to this thread. We can assist each other in problems, setbacks, windings etc. and generally work together in completing Eric's challenge.

The objective would be to see how many of us can successfully complete this challenge. Hopefully it also encourages more people to experiment in this field.

Remember, the idea of the challenge is to get us thinking and doing things on our own, so please try it yourself first, then if you hit a wall that you can't breach, post here and ask help.

Don't give blueprints or schematics for a working system! If you manage to complete this challenge, post the date of completion here and we can compare results later in another thread specifically made for complete, tested and working setups.

In short, get off your monitor and start experimenting! ;)

-Sebastian Bowles -Lost in Northern Territory

Sebacid
08-22-2013, 12:45 PM
http://www.energeticforum.com/eric-dollard-official-forum/11918-tesla-magnifying-transmitter-eric-dollard-type-coils-compendium.html

Some very helpfull scientific data and info on coil building etc. here. Use it to your advantage and learn from it. :)

:notworthy:

LutherG
08-22-2013, 03:31 PM
I thought this challenge needs some promoting to get us all involved in it.

I want people who are taking on this challenge to post their progress, results, questions, photos etc. in this thread.

Basically anything that involves this challenge belongs to this thread. We can assist each other in problems, setbacks, windings etc. and generally work together in completing Eric's challenge.

The objective would be to see how many of us can successfully complete this challenge. Hopefully it also encourages more people to experiment in this field.

Remember, the idea of the challenge is to get us thinking and doing things on our own, so please try it yourself first, then if you hit a wall that you can't breach, post here and ask help.

Don't give blueprints or schematics for a working system! If you manage to complete this challenge, post the date of completion here and we can compare results later in another thread specifically made for complete, tested and working setups.

In short, get off your monitor and start experimenting! ;)

-Sebastian Bowles -Lost in Northern Territory

Hi Sebastian,

What specifically is this challenge and where can I read up on it?

Best regards,

Luther

Sebacid
08-23-2013, 07:52 AM
Hi Sebastian,

What specifically is this challenge and where can I read up on it?

Best regards,

Luther

Hi Luther,

The challenge is located amidst the jungle in this forum in Eric's posts as T-Rex.

Here is a short copy describing it:


"The objective here is to scale the “Crystal Set”, a step at a time, into a Tesla Transformer for the reception of medium wave band, 300 – 3000 kilocycle A.M. broadcasts. No license is required for this and the broadcast station provides the power.And this objective cooperates with the primary objective. That is; Who will be the first ham to disprove Einstein’s theory? An International contest, but who will sponsor it, Iran maybe?We have the good fortune in the “Crystal Set Initiative” that, in theory at least, a quarter wave A.M. broadcast tower, and its 120 quarter wave ground radials, must emit a pair of waves as shown by Tesla in his basic diagrams.

Hence it can be seen that a pair of waves are engendered by this transmission system. (Tower and Star Radials). One wave, Hertzian, is the over ground wave, the other wave, Telluric, is the under ground wave. These two waves arrive at the point of reception in their own distinct time frames, giving rise to a difference in phase. Hence, multiple rings of interference patterns are produced. Since the Hertzian portion, over ground, time frame is based upon the velocity of light, then the Telluric portion, under ground, time frame gives the Telluric velocity. Two crystal sets, one over ground, one under ground, and a basic oscilloscope , that simple. I have done this at Landers.Concluding, a Tesla Magnification Transformer, properly proportioned can, in theory, actually draw power from a local 50 kW station. Several hundred watts of power reception is likely. This would prove Tesla once and for all. No antenna, just a good ground, and a nice and bright 100 watt light bulb.This would overturn physics more than any billion dollar C.E.R.N. project. A ham radio operator overturns Einstein for 100 bucks. What a concept."

Read,
Tesla, “The True Wireless”
Tesla, “System of Concatenated Tuned Circuits”
Dollard, “System for the Transmission and Reception of Telluric Electric Waves”
A.R.R.L. “Radio Amatuers Handbook”. Chapter “H.F. Transmitters, & Tank Circuits”


Here is another link that has most of Eric's posts shortlisted:

Eric Dollard | Gestalt Reality (http://www.gestaltreality.com/energy-synthesis/eric-dollard/)

Hope this helps,

-Seb

wayne.ct
08-24-2013, 11:42 PM
I have looked at this and done a bit of reading at the context and I don't really have a good feeling for where to start. I am thinking perhaps I should apply some of the functions and formulae that EPD has gathered and perhaps compute the size and other parameters of the necessary coils and capacitors? If someone would suggest some specific numbers and create an example of the calculations, that would seem like a helpful starting point. First, pick a typical AM frequency, such as that of your local 50 KVA AM station, and use that as an example. It seems we need to solve a simultaneous equation. There are two values for inductors and also two? values for capacitors. Then there is the actual circuit diagram. Again, I have a picture in my mind, but I'm not sure if it is right. If you want to post you sample data, my eyes are open. Thx.
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Sebacid
08-25-2013, 05:14 AM
I have looked at this and done a bit of reading at the context and I don't really have a good feeling for where to start. I am thinking perhaps I should apply some of the functions and formulae that EPD has gathered and perhaps compute the size and other parameters of the necessary coils and capacitors? If someone would suggest some specific numbers and create an example of the calculations, that would seem like a helpful starting point. First, pick a typical AM frequency, such as that of your local 50 KVA AM station, and use that as an example. It seems we need to solve a simultaneous equation. There are two values for inductors and also two? values for capacitors. Then there is the actual circuit diagram. Again, I have a picture in my mind, but I'm not sure if it is right. If you want to post you sample data, my eyes are open. Thx.
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Hi Wayne,

All the information necessary to do this can be found in this forum under Eric's posts as T-Rex. See links in my previous reply. You just have to get your hands dirty and look for the information. That is a part of the challenge, to get people doing.

But here's some advice to get you started:

"The design of the Tesla Transformer starts with the secondary resonant coil. In its resonant mode it is a quadrapolar resonator. Two constants exist in the construction of this solenoidal resonator, one is that the height to length ratio must be 20%, the other is that the side by side spacing of the cylindrical conductor turns is 62% the diameter of the cylindrical conductor. The optimum number of turns is 20 on the secondary, with 2 on the primary. This gives the physical size of the coil for a given frequency. Increasing the number of turns reduces the size of the secondary coil in proportion to the increase in turns. Accordingly the conductor diameter also decreases as the copper is spread out over more windings. The ratio of secondary turns to primary turns must equal a constraint of 10 to 1. For a given number of turns the operating frequency becomes the sole independent variable in coil design.The primary coil is the same diameter as the secondary coil. The ratio of conductor width to coil diameter is 18%.

The sheet conductor is closely spiralled into two turns, for a secondary of twenty turns. For a conductor thickness as given by the maximum thickness vs frequency the volume of the primary metal must equal the volume of the secondary metal, based upon equal weights for primary and secondary metals. Brass can be 1.7 times thicker than copper, and bronze can be 2.8 times thicker than copper, for a given maximum thickness and frequency.The primary condenser should be made of the same amount of metal as the primary coil. Their weights should be about the same. The connecting leads must be short and the same width as the primary conductor. Large, multiplate air condensers are good, so are metal sheets and glass.The secondary capacitance is best a copper tubing ring around the outside of the H end of the coil. This ring must be open in one spot along its loop so as not to be a shorted turn. The end of the secondary wire connects to this capacity ring. Beer cans make the best elevated capacitors.The finished transformer must operate on a directly connected ground plane. A large plywood table with aluminum foil glued on to it, this covered with a plastic or glass sheet is the minimum required ground plane. Obviously the aluminum plane must be solidly earthed with special attention to minimizing ground lead inductance. In order to light a lamp a more broadcast station style of ground plane is required, but for testing purposes the metallized plywood “ten by” sheet is just fine. Good luck and good crystal set DX ing.

http://www.gestaltreality.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Tesla-Resonant-Transformer-001.jpg

http://www.gestaltreality.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Calculating-Properties-for-a-Tesla-Transformer-Secondary-Coil.jpg

Hope this helps to get you started?

-Seb :thumbsup:

wayne.ct
08-26-2013, 02:28 AM
OK, based on your suggestions and the calculations you have posted, I can visualize the transformer. It will be small enough to hold in one hand.

Here is what I have done so far:

I will be using 750 KHz as my center frequency as an example. This frequency is used by the famous WSB.

WSB is a 50,000 watt clear channel broadcasting station in Atlanta, GA.

The antenna is located in Tucker, GA according to Wikipedia.

Calculation #1

L = Total length of coiled wire

L = f/w = 299,792,458 (meter / second) / 2 * PI * 750,000 (/second)

= 299,792,458 / 2 * 3.14159 * 750,000 (meters) = 63.62 meters = 63.62 meters * .3048 ft / meter

= 19.39 feet

Calculation #2

L = Length of each turn = 19.39 feet / 20 = 0.9695 feet = 11.63 inches

Calculation #3

Circumference C = L; Diameter = Circumference / PI = 3.7 inches

H = Coil height = 0.2 * Diameter = 0.2 * (11.63 inches / PI)

= 0.74 inches

Calculation #4

Max diameter of wire. Space between strands of wire is 62 percent of wire diameter.

20 turns take 0.74 inches ===> 1 turn takes 0.74 inches / 20 = 0.037 inches

0.037 inches = 162 percent of wire diameter ===> 100 percent of wire diameter = 0.037 / 1.62

Wire diameter = 0.02286 inches (max.)

AWG 23 has a diameter of 0.0226 inches / 0.573 mm.

AWG 23 has resistance of 66.79 ohms / Km. which is 20.36 mOhms / ft.

For 19.39 ft, the coil will have 395 mOhms or 0.395 Ohms resistance.

I thought it would be larger than this. So much for my intuition.

Sebacid
08-26-2013, 09:47 AM
OK, based on your suggestions and the calculations you have posted, I can visualize the transformer. It will be small enough to hold in one hand.

Here is what I have done so far:

I will be using 750 KHz as my center frequency as an example. This frequency is used by the famous WSB.

WSB is a 50,000 watt clear channel broadcasting station in Atlanta, GA.

The antenna is located in Tucker, GA according to Wikipedia.

Calculation #1

L = Total length of coiled wire

L = f/w = 299,792,458 (meter / second) / 2 * PI * 750,000 (/second)

= 299,792,458 / 2 * 3.14159 * 750,000 (meters) = 63.62 meters = 63.62 meters * .3048 ft / meter

= 19.39 feet

Calculation #2

L = Length of each turn = 19.39 feet / 20 = 0.9695 feet = 11.63 inches

Calculation #3

Circumference C = L; Diameter = Circumference / PI = 3.7 inches

H = Coil height = 0.2 * Diameter = 0.2 * (11.63 inches / PI)

= 0.74 inches

Calculation #4

Max diameter of wire. Space between strands of wire is 62 percent of wire diameter.

20 turns take 0.74 inches ===> 1 turn takes 0.74 inches / 20 = 0.037 inches

0.037 inches = 162 percent of wire diameter ===> 100 percent of wire diameter = 0.037 / 1.62

Wire diameter = 0.02286 inches (max.)

AWG 23 has a diameter of 0.0226 inches / 0.573 mm.

AWG 23 has resistance of 66.79 ohms / Km. which is 20.36 mOhms / ft.

For 19.39 ft, the coil will have 395 mOhms or 0.395 Ohms resistance.

I thought it would be larger than this. So much for my intuition.

There is a small mistake in your calculations...

L = Total length of coiled wire

L = f/w THIS IS WRONG, it should be c/w! (but you have calculated it correctly) = 299,792,458 (meter / second) / 2 * PI * 750,000 (/second)

= 299,792,458 / 2 * 3.14159 * 750,000 (meters) = 63.62 meters = 63.62 meters * .3048 ft / meter

= 19.39 feet THIS IS WRONG!

If converted then 63,62 meters gives roughly about 209 feet (63,62x3,28=208,67).

That shouldn't fit in your hand anymore... :)

Remember you need two different setups, one wave, Hertzian, is the over ground wave, the other wave, Telluric, is the under ground wave. These two waves arrive at the point of reception in their own distinct time frames, giving rise to a difference in phase. Hence, multiple rings of interference patterns are produced. Since the Hertzian portion, over ground, time frame is based upon the velocity of light, then the Telluric portion, under ground, time frame gives the Telluric velocity. Two crystal sets, one over ground, one under ground, and a basic oscilloscope , that simple.

A great link for most information needed is provided in my first answer in this thread. Happy experimenting!

-Seb

Sebacid
08-28-2013, 05:03 PM
Just finished my calculations for my secondary coil and it will be a whopping 76cm in diameter! I am going with 1000Kc/sec Frequency.

I finished the work on the wooden bases and supports, all that is left is to bake and laquer them before assembling.

My extra coil's diameter/height is going to be 30cm.

Some calculations with other stuff is still going on, but I'm going to build two identical coils of the exact same size, one for overground Hertzian wave reception and the other for underground Tellurical wave reception.

The coils will be identical but the setup will be different as the goal is to light a 100W lightbulb with the other coil.

We'll see how things go once I have built them.

-Seb

Sebacid
08-30-2013, 07:48 AM
Just finished my calculations for my secondary coil and it will be a whopping 76cm in diameter! I am going with 1000Kc/sec Frequency.

I finished the work on the wooden bases and supports, all that is left is to bake and laquer them before assembling.

My extra coil's diameter/height is going to be 30cm.

Some calculations with other stuff is still going on, but I'm going to build two identical coils of the exact same size, one for overground Hertzian wave reception and the other for underground Tellurical wave reception.

The coils will be identical but the setup will be different as the goal is to light a 100W lightbulb with the other coil.

We'll see how things go once I have built them.

-Seb

Thinking of replacing solid wooden supports, with hollow pvc tubing (thin) to minimize stray inductance? Any thoughts on this?

dR-Green
08-30-2013, 10:43 AM
Hi Sebastian. Yes PVC tubing will be better than wood. Also ideally you should design the coil for a specific frequency/radio station, 1000 kc is a general example. When tuned to different frequencies the magnification factor will alter, the goal is to have highest magnification factor at the intended frequency so different tuning will work against this. Although you will need to experiment to find the highest magnification factor with a given design anyway.

For the overground wave reception you should use a normal crystal radio or a normal radio receiver. You need to receive the signal as normal and then measure the difference.

Sebacid
08-30-2013, 12:04 PM
Hi Sebastian. Yes PVC tubing will be better than wood. Also ideally you should design the coil for a specific frequency/radio station, 1000 kc is a general example. When tuned to different frequencies the magnification factor will alter, the goal is to have highest magnification factor at the intended frequency so different tuning will work against this. Although you will need to experiment to find the highest magnification factor with a given design anyway.

For the overground wave reception you should use a normal crystal radio or a normal radio receiver. You need to receive the signal as normal and then measure the difference.

Hi Dr. Green,

Thank you for your insight, I will have to do some searching on a AM radio station near me (Finland). The problem here is that almost all of the broadcasting stations have ceased using the AM frequencys. I think the nearest one is in Holland?! Not sure on this, must check.

In the calculations for the extra coil, I get a totally different total lenght of coil if I use the formulae by Eric to calculate it?

Tesla's Colorado extra coil had the same amount of wire as the secondary (800m). Should I go with this or trust the formulae?

Thanks again,

-Seb

Post edit:

Found a radio station from Sweden, Stockholm radio that broadcasts at 1710Khz AM frequency. I think it is still operational, so I will try working with this frequency. The last AM radiostation in Finland ceased to operate in 2007. Any other known operational frequencys are welcome! :)
Time to do the calculations again! :)

dR-Green
08-30-2013, 01:32 PM
I forgot to mention, use white or clear etc plastic rods. Apparently to make black and grey they put carbon in it, so that won't be good.

Eric's design is different to Tesla's. Eric's theory involves concatenated resonance with the extra coil as a distributed network, whereas Tesla's is lumped. So it's completely experimental. I've tried 3 different extra coil variations, and Eric's latest comments on it was that the secondary might need to be of a lower inductance, so my latest design is a bit different. I have 17 turns secondary with 15% height to diameter ratio, and the extra coil, when calculating wavelength from frequency and speed of light, has 1.19 times longer wire length because of the "faster than light" propagation, wire length is extended to bring the frequency back down.

[edit] Probably the easiest way to find whether a radio station is operational and suitable or not is to use a radio. When you find one then you can find info on it on the internet.

Kokomoj0
08-30-2013, 05:44 PM
for accurate time comparison how do you compensate and adjust for delay differences that result from the inherent design differences between the telluric and atmospheric versions?

and one more....

how do we calculate the maximum theoretical (ideal conditions) power that can be drawn from a transmitter with a particular receiver design/situation

dR-Green
08-30-2013, 06:07 PM
for accurate time comparison how do you compensate and adjust for delay differences that result from the inherent design differences between the telluric and atmospheric versions?

Use an oscillator and tune both receivers to be in phase.

how do we calculate the maximum theoretical (ideal conditions) power that can be drawn from a transmitter with a particular receiver design/situation

Beats me. How's your geological skills?

wayne.ct
09-01-2013, 05:14 PM
Correcting my error and still using 750 KHz as my center frequency, this is what I get...

Calculation #1

L = Total length of coiled wire

L = c/w = 299,792,458 (meter / second) / 2 * PI * 750,000 (/second)

= 299,792,458 / 2 * 3.14159 * 750,000 (meters) = 63.62 meters = 63.62 meters / .3048 (meter / ft)

= 208.7 feet

Calculation #2

L = Length of each turn = 208.7 feet / 20 = 10.44 feet = 10 feet 5.23 inches

Calculation #3

Circumference C = L; Diameter = Circumference / PI = 3.32 feet = 3 feet 3.86 inches

H = Coil height = 0.2 * Diameter = 0.2 * (10.44 feet / PI)

= 7.97 inches

Calculation #4

Max diameter of wire. Space between strands of wire is 62 percent of wire diameter.

20 turns take 7.97 inches ===> 1 turn takes 7.97 inches / 20 = 0.4 inches

0.4 inches = 162 percent of wire diameter ===> 100 percent of wire diameter = 0.4 / 1.62

Wire diameter = 0.246 inches (max.)

AWG 3 has a diameter of 0.2294 inches / 5.83 mm.

AWG 3 has resistance of 0.646 ohms / Km. which is 0.197 mOhms / ft.

For 208.7 ft, the coil will have 395 mOhms or 0.4111 Ohms resistance.

Now we have a manly sized inductor! 'Sorry to say I will not be building that any time soon! Thanks for the ride!

At the same time, my intuition was telling me this was going to be a large coil. So, I feel a bit better knowing my gut was in the ballpark.

Sebacid
09-02-2013, 09:14 AM
Correcting my error and still using 750 KHz as my center frequency, this is what I get...

Calculation #1

L = Total length of coiled wire

L = c/w = 299,792,458 (meter / second) / 2 * PI * 750,000 (/second)

= 299,792,458 / 2 * 3.14159 * 750,000 (meters) = 63.62 meters = 63.62 meters / .3048 (meter / ft)

= 208.7 feet

Calculation #2

L = Length of each turn = 208.7 feet / 20 = 10.44 feet = 10 feet 5.23 inches

Calculation #3

Circumference C = L; Diameter = Circumference / PI = 3.32 feet = 3 feet 3.86 inches

H = Coil height = 0.2 * Diameter = 0.2 * (10.44 feet / PI)

= 7.97 inches

Calculation #4

Max diameter of wire. Space between strands of wire is 62 percent of wire diameter.

20 turns take 7.97 inches ===> 1 turn takes 7.97 inches / 20 = 0.4 inches

0.4 inches = 162 percent of wire diameter ===> 100 percent of wire diameter = 0.4 / 1.62

Wire diameter = 0.246 inches (max.)

AWG 3 has a diameter of 0.2294 inches / 5.83 mm.

AWG 3 has resistance of 0.646 ohms / Km. which is 0.197 mOhms / ft.

For 208.7 ft, the coil will have 395 mOhms or 0.4111 Ohms resistance.

Now we have a manly sized inductor! 'Sorry to say I will not be building that any time soon! Thanks for the ride!

At the same time, my intuition was telling me this was going to be a large coil. So, I feel a bit better knowing my gut was in the ballpark.

You can always use another frequency (higher), then the coil, wire etc. size will be smaller. Try for something in between 2000-3000Kc/sec? As Dr. Green said earlier, the idea is to magnify the chosen frequency to the max!

Don't give up, build a smaller one first, experiment on it and if succesfull, upscale it on the next one!

Cheers,

-Seb

Sebacid
09-13-2013, 08:22 AM
Does it matter if I use insulated wire for the winding? Or is it better if it was copper?

orgonaut314
09-23-2013, 02:02 PM
Does it matter if I use insulated wire for the winding? Or is it better if it was copper?

Every insulation will increase the self capacitance. Now I think it was better to keep that one low as possible.

Apart from that be careful with the material you use. If there is Orgon than organic materials like wood or materials like coper are preferable. In another type of research we found out that Orgon does become sickening if you use the wrong materials that your body does not like when you would eat or drink them. I would be careful with pvc that contains chlore. Even the thin insulation on the coper wire might be wrong. But this is only important if you want to make a coil that does not make people get an head-age.

Jeff Pearson
08-01-2014, 07:02 PM
I was experimenting with crystal sets last year
Was listening to clear channel stations 2 states away at night with crappy antenna. Powered piezo headset i made. no power source for radio except radio waves. I learned a lot doing this. was gonna try ground antenna next Harris Rogers style.

parkham
08-07-2014, 02:01 PM
I hope this isn't a completely question - When he says "Total number of turns", Given 20 - what does he mean by 20? Would that be 20 turns per inch?

The same for the next formula, "Given 20%" What exactly does that mean as well?

Please pardon my ignorance. I've got all the components together to start on a crystal radio - I want to fully understand before proceeding though.

Thanks,

dR-Green
08-07-2014, 08:35 PM
"Total number of turns = 20" means exactly what it says. 20 turns in total on the coil.

The 20% is in reference to the height/length to diameter ratio of the coil. The coil is 20% high as it is wide. If diameter = 100cm then height = 20cm.

Sebacid
05-12-2015, 08:03 AM
Would you agree that the smaller Ø the acrylic clear and hollow tubes the better?

Aaron
09-18-2015, 07:04 PM
Book for Crystal Radio Initiative page 20 & 21 has been corrected and is available at same download link.

LeeBob84
03-26-2016, 02:33 AM
I have been working on a large coil for the crystal radio initiative. This is a few pics of it
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Frequency : 800khz
Coil diameter:4'10"
Number of turns: 18
Wire length : 247'
Coil height:14.4"
Wire diameter : 0.5"

I made a hemisphere from copper pipe, with a 16 point aluminum star as my top load. All that is left is to bury my 4 a/c radiators as my ground, wrap a 12" by 2 turn secondary coil on the bottom and build my resonant capacitor. Hopefully I can tune it up to receive some usable energy. U can follow me https://youtu.be/HyRhUStqzt4 , https://youtu.be/jncwulYUpV4

Aaron
03-27-2016, 02:55 AM
That's great LeeBob!

If you have any questions for Eric, we have a live call tomorrow:
This coming Sunday the 27th at 11AM Pacific Daylight Savings Time, we will be having a LIVE Q & A call with Eric Dollard.
Conference Dial-in: 1-857-232-0155 and Conference Code: 582590 – It will be recorded in case you cannot make the call.


I have been working on a large coil for the crystal radio initiative. This is a few pics of it
16937

16938

Frequency : 800khz
Coil diameter:4'10"
Number of turns: 18
Wire length : 247'
Coil height:14.4"
Wire diameter : 0.5"

I made a hemisphere from copper pipe, with a 16 point aluminum star as my top load. All that is left is to bury my 4 a/c radiators as my ground, wrap a 12" by 2 turn secondary coil on the bottom and build my resonant capacitor. Hopefully I can tune it up to receive some usable energy. U can follow me https://youtu.be/HyRhUStqzt4 , https://youtu.be/jncwulYUpV4

LeeBob84
04-14-2016, 06:17 AM
That's great LeeBob!

If you have any questions for Eric, we have a live call tomorrow:
This coming Sunday the 27th at 11AM Pacific Daylight Savings Time, we will be having a LIVE Q & A call with Eric Dollard.
Conference Dial-in: 1-857-232-0155 and Conference Code: 582590 – It will be recorded in case you cannot make the call.
Thanks Aaron,
Unfortunatlly I missed that call with Eric, Where would I be able to listen to the recording of the call?

One question I did want to ask him was about using a ribbon conductor supposed to the traditional round wire conductor and if there were significant differences calculating for it?

Aaron
06-11-2016, 07:05 PM
Thanks Aaron,
Unfortunatlly I missed that call with Eric, Where would I be able to listen to the recording of the call?

One question I did want to ask him was about using a ribbon conductor supposed to the traditional round wire conductor and if there were significant differences calculating for it?

The recording is on his site embedded as a youtube video.

What do you need to finish your project in terms of parts and funds?

LeeBob84
06-18-2016, 01:50 AM
The recording is on his site embedded as a youtube video.

What do you need to finish your project in terms of parts and funds?

Wow that is awesome thanks Aaron.I have the primary and secondary windings wound, and have been trying to get a good ground system put in. I am living in a rental house at the moment so my original idea of digging four large holes with radiators buried in the yard is a no go. So i have come up with the idea of pounding holes about 4 to 6 feet deep with a 1 inch piece if pipe then removing the pipe, feeding a piece of 4 gauge copper wire to the bottom and pouring molten aluminum down the holes till they are full. I have finally completed mt foundry and poured about 3 pounds of aluminum in the first hole. My biggest hold up now is trying to come up with funds to buy scrap aluminum and fuel for my foundry. I figure that i will need a total of about 75 pounds of aluminum and probably 100lbs of propane to finish. Any Help with that would be more than appreciated. Also I am in need of a good adjustable capacitor for this project to.
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Thanks again
Let me know

Aaron
06-18-2016, 05:47 PM
Wow that is awesome thanks Aaron.I have the primary and secondary windings wound, and have been trying to get a good ground system put in. I am living in a rental house at the moment so my original idea of digging four large holes with radiators buried in the yard is a no go. So i have come up with the idea of pounding holes about 4 to 6 feet deep with a 1 inch piece if pipe then removing the pipe, feeding a piece of 4 gauge copper wire to the bottom and pouring molten aluminum down the holes till they are full. I have finally completed mt foundry and poured about 3 pounds of aluminum in the first hole. My biggest hold up now is trying to come up with funds to buy scrap aluminum and fuel for my foundry. I figure that i will need a total of about 75 pounds of aluminum and probably 100lbs of propane to finish. Any Help with that would be more than appreciated. Also I am in need of a good adjustable capacitor for this project to.
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Thanks again
Let me know

Please email me at info at emediapress dot com and copy and paste your message here to me - I can help.

Jeff Pearson
06-22-2016, 01:24 AM
Did the calculations for this in January finally building it. 1340Khz. 1/8 inch tubing would be close to the ideal conductor but winding it with what I got right now. I think its 20awg

LeeBob84
06-23-2016, 01:01 PM
Did the calculations for this in January finally building it. 1340Khz. 3/4 inch tubing would be close to the ideal conductor but winding it with what I got right now. I think its 20awg

Nice work:thumbsup:

So i guess there is someone else out there who is doing this.. I was beginning to think I was the only person working on this :thanks:

Best part is the way my neighbors look at this 5ft tall 4 ft diameter coil in my back yard. Some think its a chicken coop, some think its a fort for my kids, and I'm sure there are a few who think its some sort of ufo landing pad lol :beamup:... So far I have only met one person (in person, not on the net) who actually appreciates what this is actually designed for, and kinda understands what I'm talking about when I try to explain it, and he is an old military guy.

Hope u keep posting updates here. Will be nice to have someone to bounce ideas off of who is building one too.

LeeBob84
06-30-2016, 05:38 PM
Did some calculating for my capacitor and have built a fairly crude looking but hopefully effective capacitor.17291172921729317294 The size of plates and how many is based on surface area of the secondary coil windings surface area. I calculated the surface area of the entire coil and adjusted my primary as well 1729517296 so that the surface area of all 3 components is within 100sq/in of eachother. This hopefully will cause the coil to resonate better. Also I have got the material now for the extra coil so I will be starting work on it next. This coil will be 1'6" tall and wide, it is a 1:1 ratio coil. Coil will be 90 turns with a wire length of 439'4" and close to 10awg so that is what i am going to use. Also I am changing my topload, The copper hemisphere I have built could possibly cause what looks like a dead short in the coil so i will be replacing it with 2 Toroids made from 6" aluminum foil ducting which will be capped with an insulator on each end to prevent this dead short in the coil.The big toroid will be around 3 ft in diameter and the smaller will be around 2 ft.

Jeff Pearson
07-13-2016, 01:12 AM
CRI coil for 1340Khz Kvot

Corrected 1/4 wavelength= 142.25 ft.
using .7752 correction factor. 102% velocity factor X 76% burden factor.
I avoided all rounding till the end
Length per turn= 85.35 inches
At this point I figured for an octagon instead of a circle since my coil form is an octagon and I'm trying to be as accurate as possible so I calculated 10.67 inches per facet of octagon
Diameter of circle would be 27.18 inches
Height= 5.44 inches

The tuning seems to be right on. With topload and ground connected I can hear the radio station clearly through a regular crystal detector consisting of a germanium diode, demodulation capacitor, load resistor and crystal earpiece. It makes noise but unintelligable with no ground or top load.
At the moment the detector is connected across the secondary. I put together a simple amplifier using a LM386 IC driving a piezo element.
With the amplifier 1340Khz comes in clear with the secondary connected to nothing. When I add the top load the signal gets a little bit stronger and when I connect the ground the signal gets a lot stronger. I have tuned it up to 1510Khz by tapping the top load at the 16th or 17th turn. And I have accidentally tuned it down to 950Khz by adding a long ground wire one day when I didn't want to carry it out to the ground rod.
That's what I have done for testing so far. Oh and I did put a temporary primary on it with variable capacitor. There is a sweet spot where it raises the power of the secondary. Getting ready to rewind the whole thing. I am happy with the frame. More appropriate wire for the secondary and some 4 inch wide copper flashing for the primary coming soon.

Great Looking coil Leebob. :cheers:

Jeff Pearson
07-13-2016, 01:39 AM
Also, there is about a thousand foot deep rift in the earth between here and town "Rio Grande Gorge" I wonder what that does to the ground signal. I'm gonna have to take it to the other side of the Gorge and do testing there also

LeeBob84
07-13-2016, 03:15 PM
:yahoo:Woo Hoo I won the CRI :yahoo:

Just want to throw out a special thanks to Aaron and Eric for the "Crystal Radio Initiative". It has been a time consuming build but very educational for me. :cheers: Also a shout out to the annonymous donor of funds for the CRI Challenge. The funds are going to good use on the build.:hug:

I have now finished the extra coil17357 and have added a precision adjustor to my capacitor17355 17356 Lol. Crude but effective. This is the beast with the extra coil and new topload17354. I have pounded my holes in the grounding and am just waiting to receive funds for the aluminum to fill them17358. I have also decided that instead of using the 4awg copper, i am going to dig a thin trench about 12" deep and pour aluminum between all holes. I will also be pouring an extra eight holes in addition to these in the same pattern only 10 feet out. Also connected the same way. I am hoping i can get about 200lbs+ of aluminum in the ground. This should be effective as a good grounding system for now.:thumbsup:

LeeBob84
07-13-2016, 05:50 PM
Also, there is about a thousand foot deep rift in the earth between here and town "Rio Grande Gorge" I wonder what that does to the ground signal. I'm gonna have to take it to the other side of the Gorge and do testing there also

What is your ground?

Jeff Pearson
07-13-2016, 06:02 PM
CKLW is a 50,000 watt, Class B, AM radio station . Is this the station your trying to pick up and have you done any receiving yet LeeBob. The local station I built for only puts out a thousand watts. I think maybe I could do pretty good by taking it to town and connecting to a fire hydrant for ground.

Jeff Pearson
07-13-2016, 06:10 PM
ground here is dry sandy clay. I pounded a 4ft piece of rebar for a ground to start with. Then I tried my roof. I am building a concrete dome on top of rammed earth walls. There is a 3ft piece of rebar every 30 inches driven into the rammed earth walls to connect the bond beam to the metal skeleton of the roof. The CRI coil and the crystal radio both work better using this for ground than a standard ground rod. I have not made an actual ground plane yet but I do have the room to do so. the rammed earth walls are a 20ft diameter on the inside circle and the walls are about 30inches thick so the connection to earth is good as far as surface area goes

LeeBob84
07-13-2016, 06:16 PM
CRI coil for 1340Khz Kvot

Corrected 1/4 wavelength= 142.25 ft.
using .7752 correction factor. 102% velocity factor X 76% burden factor.
I avoided all rounding till the end
Length per turn= 85.35 inches
At this point I figured for an octagon instead of a circle since my coil form is an octagon and I'm trying to be as accurate as possible so I calculated 10.67 inches per facet of octagon
Diameter of circle would be 27.18 inches
Height= 5.44 inches

The tuning seems to be right on. With topload and ground connected I can hear the radio station clearly through a regular crystal detector consisting of a germanium diode, demodulation capacitor, load resistor and crystal earpiece. It makes noise but unintelligable with no ground or top load.
At the moment the detector is connected across the secondary. I put together a simple amplifier using a LM386 IC driving a piezo element.
With the amplifier 1340Khz comes in clear with the secondary connected to nothing. When I add the top load the signal gets a little bit stronger and when I connect the ground the signal gets a lot stronger. I have tuned it up to 1510Khz by tapping the top load at the 16th or 17th turn. And I have accidentally tuned it down to 950Khz by adding a long ground wire one day when I didn't want to carry it out to the ground rod.
That's what I have done for testing so far. Oh and I did put a temporary primary on it with variable capacitor. There is a sweet spot where it raises the power of the secondary. Getting ready to rewind the whole thing. I am happy with the frame. More appropriate wire for the secondary and some 4 inch wide copper flashing for the primary coming soon.

Great Looking coil Leebob. :cheers:
Thanks Jeff

Your coil sounds like its coming along nicely. How far are u from the station u are tuning for. And as for the rift it shouldn't effect your signal to badly as it is still connected down there somewhere. I am about 25 miles from the radio station which i am trying to recieve and have a hard time to get the station on my Iphone doc with the antenna at exactly 90 degrees17361 to the station signal. The interesting thing i accidently discovered after messing around with the coil yesterday is that with it plugged into just the house ground and the extra coil and topload in the circuit i was able to lay the antenna coil from the iphone doc flat on the table17362 and the station would come in clearly. I thought at first that maybe it was just the weather at the time or something but as soon as i unplugged it from ground the station would cut out.

LeeBob84
07-13-2016, 06:24 PM
ground here is dry sandy clay. I pounded a 4ft piece of rebar for a ground to start with. Then I tried my roof. I am building a concrete dome on top of rammed earth walls. There is a 3ft piece of rebar every 30 inches driven into the rammed earth walls to connect the bond beam to the metal skeleton of the roof. The CRI coil and the crystal radio both work better using this for ground than a standard ground rod. I have not made an actual ground plane yet but I do have the room to do so. the rammed earth walls are a 20ft diameter on the inside circle and the walls are about 30inches thick so the connection to earth is good as far as surface area goes

Just as a suggestion for when u put in your ground network, maybe run some pvc pipe beside ur ground rods and wires with holes drilled so u can flush an electrolitic solution down to the conductors to help them. I have done this before with gardens for feeding the plants. It will saturate the soil and the conductor giving u a larger conductive surface area. I was going to do this with my system but my water table here is less than 4' from the surface so it is kinda pointless here.

LeeBob84
07-13-2016, 06:30 PM
I would like T-Rex to join the conversation if he has any suggestions?

Jeff Pearson
07-13-2016, 06:32 PM
Sounds like the Iphone picks up the resonance from your CRI coil. NICE!! :cheers:

LeeBob84
07-13-2016, 06:47 PM
CKLW is a 50,000 watt, Class B, AM radio station . Is this the station your trying to pick up and have you done any receiving yet LeeBob. The local station I built for only puts out a thousand watts. I think maybe I could do pretty good by taking it to town and connecting to a fire hydrant for ground.

No this is the station I am trying to tune too is CJBQ 800 in belleville ontario. 17363 it is a 10,000 watt station.

Jeff Pearson
07-15-2016, 12:26 AM
Looking into what to purchase to wind the secondary with and am really getting confused. I am looking for a 6 AWG size conductor. 1/8th inch copper tubing and 6 AWG welding wire cost about the same. The welding wire is made of many small conductors so should be good for skin effect. I saw some 6 AWG Litz wire on Ebay made of magnet wire but that guy didnt have a long enough length. Might look into a spool of that. A cheap solution is 1/8th inch wide copper tape. Lots of surface area low mass???. And the there is the suggested teflon insulated coax. What would i be looking for in coax that has an outer conductor the right size??? Any suggestions and or pros and cons of each choice would be much appreciated. Today I got an antenna 29 feet into the air and am messing with a standard crystal radio.
:thinking:

oh and I am 15.87 miles away from my thousand watt station with the rift a little closer to me as per attachment on post #38..........and yes have done the PVC pipe trick for trees out here in the desert I will do that for my ground rods when I get them.

Aaron
07-15-2016, 07:20 AM
I would like T-Rex to join the conversation if he has any suggestions?

I'll ask him. Are you on skype as well? Email me your skype id and I'll see if I can get you on a skype call with Eric before he leaves.

LeeBob84
07-15-2016, 12:24 PM
Looking into what to purchase to wind the secondary with and am really getting confused. I am looking for a 6 AWG size conductor. 1/8th inch copper tubing and 6 AWG welding wire cost about the same. The welding wire is made of many small conductors so should be good for skin effect. I saw some 6 AWG Litz wire on Ebay made of magnet wire but that guy didnt have a long enough length. Might look into a spool of that. A cheap solution is 1/8th inch wide copper tape. Lots of surface area low mass???. And the there is the suggested teflon insulated coax. What would i be looking for in coax that has an outer conductor the right size??? Any suggestions and or pros and cons of each choice would be much appreciated. Today I got an antenna 29 feet into the air and am messing with a standard crystal radio.
:thinking:

oh and I am 15.87 miles away from my thousand watt station with the rift a little closer to me as per attachment on post #38..........and yes have done the PVC pipe trick for trees out here in the desert I will do that for my ground rods when I get them.


Hey Jeff

Sounds like u have some good ideas for conductors, Only thing I would suggest is to stay away from buying anything for now. The trick I used was to scrounge at the dump and local guys with junk in their yard will sometimes sell u bits and pieces for pennies, also an option that I almost took was to use many strands of magnet wire scrounged out of a few old CRT tv's, U can get about two layers of full length turns from one tv depending on the size,I calculated that I was going to need 8 turns of magnet wire to make up the conductor diameter, so I would have needed about 4 tv's about 27" or bigger ... Now that said u may not be able to find the exact conductor diameter for your project. I found that it was easiest for me to do all the math for my frequency following Aaron and Eric's video presentation and the e-book. Then once I knew my conductor length i was able to find something of that length that I had laying around luckly, which was actually quite a bit larger then I wanted diameter wise but its what I had. So I took my conductor diameter and started to work the math backwards till I came up with a form size built for the conductor diameter. That is why my coil is so large. I looked up buying conductors of around the same diameter and it is very pricey for experimentation purposes. I found it much cheaper to buy material to build the form a different diameter. As for skin effect, I am no expert thats for sure. I have read a few papers on it but it was about three years ago now and my knowledge retention is dwindling with the more kids I have lol. I will have to look up those papers again and get back to u. Pretty sure I just googled conductor skin effect at high frequencies. And as for the coax cable. I looked into it as well but I wasn't sure about stray capacitance between the outer conductor lining and the inner wire. It may have an effect on tuning. Hope this helps:cheers:

LeeBob84
07-15-2016, 12:30 PM
I'll ask him. Are you on skype as well? Email me your skype id and I'll see if I can get you on a skype call with Eric before he leaves.

Perfect thanks Aaron I will Email U the info.:cheers:

Jeff Pearson
07-15-2016, 10:56 PM
I do have enough of the pictured wire whatever it is. It has 3 twisted pairs and a copper? foil sheath. The foil sheath is a little large but the entire wire with the insulation is about right to tight wind the thing. I have also thought about using the twisted pairs inside as some makeshift litz wire. I want to wind it with copper tubing but not for any really good reason other than it would look really good with a copper flashing primary. I am kinda leaning towards using the twisted pairs at the moment. If anyone has pros and cons of each choice it would much appreciated

Aaron
07-16-2016, 12:47 AM
Perfect thanks Aaron I will Email U the info.:cheers:

Hi Lee,

If you don't mind, can you post a summary of your questions and Eric's answers from the skype call? Will probably help everyone out.

Aaron
07-16-2016, 08:01 PM
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LeeBob84
07-18-2016, 03:24 PM
Hi Lee,

If you don't mind, can you post a summary of your questions and Eric's answers from the skype call? Will probably help everyone out.

Sure thats no problem. I will post it as soon as I can.

Jeff Pearson
07-22-2016, 03:31 AM
After trying to research alternatives, I am back to my original notion of winding the secondary with 1/8th inch copper tubing. And will be stopping at Architectural Copper for the primary on my next trip to town.
Correction...Make that 3/16"o.d. copper tubing for the secondary!

LeeBob84
07-22-2016, 11:48 PM
My skype call with Eric Dollard.

I asked about grounding. He basically said that the deeper you can go with the maximum amount of surface area will give best results. Also using a large piece of conductor to join all grounds on the surface directly below the coil will help in tuning. He also spoke of using trees as a source of grounding, by using a rod driven into the base of the tree allowing the root system to conduct the signal deep below. The bigger the tree usually the deeper the root system. Main thing is surface area as close to the water table as possible.FYI His grounding system is 17 acres.

I asked about skin effect. In my case with aluminum which is a ribbon style conductor making it thin, the skin effect is not an issue. The skin effect is more of a factor in large awg solid round wire conductors at high frequency. In which case is best to use brass.

I asked him about insulated wire compared to non-insulated wire. His recommendation is to have all components of the system as well insulated from air and ground as possible. Insulation on the secondary and primary windings will help with the self capacitance.

I asked him about capacitors. More small capacitors are better then one big cap. He suggested tank capacitors close to my capacitance and a smaller adjustable cap for fine tuning. Best if vac caps are used.

Other suggestions given were to not go overboard with the topload like me lol. All that is needed is a smooth conductor which should never exceed the diameter of your second coil.


Im sure im probably forgetting some stuff but I will post it as I remember.


Thanks for your help Aaron and Eric, can't wait to see this years presentation vids.

Jeff Pearson
07-26-2016, 06:13 AM
Just a quick update. Ordered 2 50' coils of 3/16inch copper tubing today...at local lumber yard. Ended up being cheaper than Ebay but it will be a couple weeks. I will need one more 50' coil to wind the secondary, it is about 145'. The Architectural Copper guy was not in today. He is also a river guide so not the best time of year to catch him at store. I had intended to get the copper for the primary today. I also put a longer and higher antenna on the standard crystal radio. It ended up being pointed right at the local radio station and nothing else would tune in. I was getting about 6 stations with it before. 3 of them were strong enough to listen with unpowered crystal earpiece. Been some storms here so antenna is down. gonna point it a different direction next time. A good ground connection is going to be tricky here. The water table could be 1000' down where I am at.

Aaron
10-24-2016, 08:40 AM
Hi Lee, any updates? Did you get the aluminum and create your grounding system?

LeeBob84
11-05-2016, 07:41 PM
Just want to post an update on the coil. I have been very busy so progress has been slow. Although I have had the time to get my grounding system put in and I am in the process of getting all the connections together for some testing. I have 9holes approx. 3-5ft deep and they are in a star formation with one at the centre. They are spaced about 8ft from the centre and about 6ft from each other. They are all connected like a spider web with 4awg copper. There is also 4 50ft strands of 14awg aluminum welding wire running straight out from each hole buried about 12inch underground. Here are the vids of me pouring some. https://youtu.be/qjVALjfi94E, https://youtu.be/cg4l0VWKoIQ, https://youtu.be/MrU7fDjoAxM

LeeBob84
11-28-2016, 02:34 AM
So I connected everything up for testing and have run a few tests on the coil with my frequency generator. My initial tests were not what i was hoping to see as the secondary was resonating closer to 600khz rather than the 800khz I am shooting for. So I went back to my books to look over my initial calculations for the coil to see if i was mistaken, and I have found that somehow I messed up on my calculation for coil diameter. It was calculated originally to be 18 turns at 4'10" to be 247' winding. But when you do the math on that 4.84*3.14=15.2*18=273.6. So this means that I am going to have to reduce the diameter of my coil to 4' 4 1/2" to bring my coil to the desired 247'. 4.375*3.14=13.74*18=247.32. Time to start unwrapping and rebuilding.:wall:

dR-Green
12-04-2016, 05:35 PM
So I connected everything up for testing and have run a few tests on the coil with my frequency generator. My initial tests were not what i was hoping to see as the secondary was resonating closer to 600khz rather than the 800khz I am shooting for. So I went back to my books to look over my initial calculations for the coil to see if i was mistaken, and I have found that somehow I messed up on my calculation for coil diameter. It was calculated originally to be 18 turns at 4'10" to be 247' winding. But when you do the math on that 4.84*3.14=15.2*18=273.6. So this means that I am going to have to reduce the diameter of my coil to 4' 4 1/2" to bring my coil to the desired 247'. 4.375*3.14=13.74*18=247.32. Time to start unwrapping and rebuilding.:wall:

Don't you just love those stupid rookie mistakes :D I really annoyed myself last week when I measured 44.1cm for a shelf type arrangement, wrote it down on a piece of paper to avoid errors, then went and cut out a piece of wood, installed it, and found there was a big gap. Measured what I had cut - 41.1cm. :wall::wall::wall: But luckily I needed a hole to pass things down from above to below the shelf anyway so the gap got incorporated into the design. Typical case of more haste less speed.

Thanks for the updates, I hope the rest is going well!

Kokomoj0
04-16-2017, 03:42 AM
So I connected everything up for testing and have run a few tests on the coil with my frequency generator. My initial tests were not what i was hoping to see as the secondary was resonating closer to 600khz rather than the 800khz I am shooting for. So I went back to my books to look over my initial calculations for the coil to see if i was mistaken, and I have found that somehow I messed up on my calculation for coil diameter. It was calculated originally to be 18 turns at 4'10" to be 247' winding. But when you do the math on that 4.84*3.14=15.2*18=273.6. So this means that I am going to have to reduce the diameter of my coil to 4' 4 1/2" to bring my coil to the desired 247'. 4.375*3.14=13.74*18=247.32. Time to start unwrapping and rebuilding.:wall:


now is a good time to start thinking like a ham. simply short out a winding, or 2, or 3...? to get your f up, it will still give you proof of concept. Minor L/D issues wont kill the project.

trahedron
05-09-2017, 01:30 AM
Very curious to hear what the status is on your effort @LeeBob84. I have a son who's wanting to build something significant in the area of energy, etc. this summer together with me and this has been on my list of things to build if someone has actually seen some results.

I've been a bit disappointed that it seems life has overwhelmed you at present with regards to finishing this project out and seeing any results. I can most certainly understand the draw on time and thus why I'm looking for confirmation due to the significant time investment that it could take before jumping in with both feet.

dR-Green
08-21-2017, 07:19 PM
Until further notice, you'll get 10% off your basket total when you pay with Bitcoin or Ether.

The Crystal Radio Initiative Calculator has also been updated and is now even easier to use! No longer is it necessary to display every unit of measurement on the screen to cause a confusing mess of numbers - now just select the units you're working with, and that's all you'll see!

The downloadable Advanced calculator includes integrated coil analysis, copper weight calculation, and an optional hollow primary conductor input. The MS Excel version also features a diagram with text overlay which updates according to your inputs and selections - see the images below. The Advanced calculator is available here:

Advanced Crystal Radio Initiative Calculator - Tesla Scientific (http://www.teslascientific.com/product/advanced-crystal-radio-initiative-calculator/)

The free online version calculates all the essential Crystal Radio Initiative parameters as specified by Eric Dollard, plus a few extras for your convenience:

Free Crystal Radio Initiative Calculator For Desktop - Tesla Scientific (http://www.teslascientific.com/products/free-crystal-radio-initiative-calculator/free-cri-calculator-desktop/)

The free Tablet and Phone versions have also been discontinued and replaced with a single "Mobile" version designed to be viewed on smaller screens:

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Screenshots:

http://www.teslascientific.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/advanced-cri-calculator-2-excel.jpg

http://www.teslascientific.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/advanced-cri-calculator-excel-detail.jpg

http://www.teslascientific.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/advanced-cri-calculator-analysis.jpg

Kokomoj0
03-07-2018, 03:01 AM
Until further notice, you'll get 10% off your basket total when you pay with Bitcoin or Ether.

The Crystal Radio Initiative Calculator has also been updated and is now even easier to use! No longer is it necessary to display every unit of measurement on the screen to cause a confusing mess of numbers - now just select the units you're working with, and that's all you'll see!



How did everyone make out on Erics challenge to use this to tune into an am radio station to light a light bulb?

dR-Green
03-07-2018, 04:36 AM
How did everyone make out on Erics challenge to use this to tune into an am radio station to light a light bulb?

I don't get any reports back, but some sort of experimenter space/forum where people can post about their builds and experience on the web site is on the cards.

P.S. the discount is now 20% and now includes Bitcoin Cash and Ripple. Litecoin probably coming soon.

Kokomoj0
03-31-2018, 05:32 AM
I don't get any reports back, but some sort of experimenter space/forum where people can post about their builds and experience on the web site is on the cards.

P.S. the discount is now 20% and now includes Bitcoin Cash and Ripple. Litecoin probably coming soon.

Well the presumption was that someone could build a cyrstal radio and light a several watt bulb by tuning into a nearby radio station and frankly I cant see that happening which is why I never built it aside from the fact that I built them when I was a kid so its not much fun for me 60 years after the fact. ever do any stiffler replications?

dR-Green
03-31-2018, 04:06 PM
Well the presumption was that someone could build a cyrstal radio and light a several watt bulb by tuning into a nearby radio station and frankly I cant see that happening which is why I never built it aside from the fact that I built them when I was a kid so its not much fun for me 60 years after the fact. ever do any stiffler replications?

It seems perfectly feasible to me, but the earthing is as important as the coil. I've received a signal using a flat spiral coil, and what's more, the signal of the normal radio receiver gets stronger when the coil is being used. It becomes a passive repeater. The radio station is already powering your earphone, so what limits the amount of energy that you're receiving? I built the simple SEC circuit once but I've never had much interest in that sort of thing. Where do they connect the output of the secondary? ...

Kokomoj0
04-01-2018, 06:30 AM
It seems perfectly feasible to me, but the earthing is as important as the coil. I've received a signal using a flat spiral coil, and what's more, the signal of the normal radio receiver gets stronger when the coil is being used. It becomes a passive repeater. The radio station is already powering your earphone, so what limits the amount of energy that you're receiving? I built the simple SEC circuit once but I've never had much interest in that sort of thing. Where do they connect the output of the secondary? ...

Its not the same as a tesla T/R. The signal from your radio station is the result of resonating a 'stick', not in the same 'sense' as teslas coils so there is no way to lock into it so to speak like you can with a tc because a standard bc station operates fully decoupled from the receiver.

The reason the TC can have a remote receiver and actually receive 'power' is because with tesla the coils are effectively splitting a coupled resonant tank circuit in half then moving them apart using the earth as a connecting wire between the 2 and a capacitive coupling through the air.

From Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl
https://i.imgur.com/8UtNL4k.jpg

Tesla's the receiver completes or is the second half of a single resonant tank circuit which is why you get high power from it at a distance. Everything gets transferred since it operates as a single coil that is simply separated or split in 1/2.

In the the case of the resonant stick, it completes or is its own circuit, (so to speak), so you cant build another radio tower in the far field that is an exact replica of the first and transmit 'power' to it, because the design is not a coupled design, however you can use it to transmit a signal that that decreases like any other other transverse wave at the square of the distance and a coil that can resonates at the same freq can pick up and receive very low energy signals, enough to power your headset.

Lighting an incandescent bulb in far field using a signal from a stick in the air cant happen where as in teslas split coil design it can.

Stifflers 3 coil SEC circuit is fascinating and his design methods should be used for more efficient tc's imo since we are trying to tune to the environment around us.

The circuit appears to take existing rf noise and tuning what he calls a spatially a resonant tank to it. I hazard to say it may have possibilities if you can tune that to a nearby radio station with build a big enough tank. Now you use the self resonant tank to trigger off the radio signal, which may, that is 'may' possibly be capable of building big enough to actually light an incandescent bulb in some fashion. I get this vision of a 60 cycle spatially resonant tank, 50 for you LOL :dance:

The cool thing is that it demonstrates how particular and precise one must be to actually get these high z devices to work, not the typical cobble jobs with completely faulty measuring techniques we usually see out here. Its not in making perfect calculations either, that only gets a person close because every environment has too many undetermined variables, its like tesla pointed out, its an art which to me means the fine tuning is done by feel, and of course now days with a scope and spectrum analyser etc..


3-Coil srf Demo Part#1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eAQ2gpbWWI)

3-Coil srf Demo Part#2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv-Q-_IszCg)

3-Coil srf Demo Part#3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAfn2QFYkLU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9q_r5_jEP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9q_r5_jEP4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAezDm2jvbA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knLfvO_GGaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1Abr8AnuZQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=105&v=LD8OkbumcY0

more in depth explanation to the difference in the transmission.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7SR4vF_pug&t=11s

So to illustrate the point I am trying to make more clearly I took some time to dig up a couple schematics as to why you cannot light a bulb in far field with a standard broadcast transmitter:


Teslas transmiter receiver operates like this:

http://www.teslasources.com/img/HV/Wireless/teslamit_model.gif


Spigel has a nice picture that I cropped to show that tesla transmitter is based upon
a tank circuit that stretches out over miles by an interconnecting wire with full circulating
power resonating between the 2 halves:


https://i.imgur.com/oJsLzEE.png



http://www.spigellab.com/2016/05/27/basic-teslas-experiments-part-1-100w-wireless-transmission-without-ground-connection/

and of course he has a nice video:

Basic Tesla's Experiments (Part 1) - 100W Wireless Transmission without Ground Connection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbqR8EpIP04

Now lets look at a broadcast antenna circuit:

http://electronics-diy.com/schematics/1293/1-watt-fm-transmitter-amplifier.jpg
http://electronics-diy.com/img/kits/BA1404_Transmitter_Kit.jpg

http://electronics-diy.com/1-watt-fm-transmitter-amplifier.php


all you have is a tiny load matching circuit so you dont cook your transistor or tube, which works like this:

The rod for a monopole or in this case a dipole is the resonator now you can flip that to vertical to get:

http://shop.thaiepay.com/shopdetail/279/products/110049/f-245.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tmSr1N1.jpg

The principal of operation of a standard broadcast transmitter is completely different. Teslas transmitter was not intended or designed to 'radiate' an infinitely 'expanding' wave front where the output disperses decreasing by the square of the distance, it was designed to resonate between the 2 halves which allows for nearly complete power transfer between them with very minor losses.

https://i.imgur.com/drMC79P.jpg

You can calculate the 'maximum' current of a standard broadcast rig based on the field strength, distance, length-area of the metal of your receiving rod antenna or coil that can be actually be struck by the passing waves.

so what limits the amount of energy that you're receiving?

For a tesla being an air coil the internal resistance of wire caps etc.

For a broadcast antenna its the maximum tube/transistor output that translates into actual radiated power.

For ideal transmitter rig+antenna etc, everything set up perfect with perfect conditions;

10Mhz
For actual radiated wattage of 100,000w using a dipole, typical efficiencies can be seen up to 70% max unless they are doing something new I am not aware of, roughly input power of 130,000 watts.

For 130,000 watts input, thats 220vac and 590amp service requirements.
For 2000meters (Approx 1 mile)
.00329 Watts/m^2 (with dipole 2.19gain)
1.11V/m
.00296A/m
They have a handy calculator here:
http://www.compeng.com.au/rf-calculator/

No energy is reflected back to be circulated in a resonant tank with the standard broadcasting transmitter rig like there is with a pair of TMT/Rs, the radiated waves from SB simply keep right on going to infinity.

https://i.imgur.com/dj3Tu0v.gif

If Tesla is correct and I fully expect he is, the only losses you would see from the TMT's would be primarily from the ground resistance, say if you have 1000 ohms over a distance of the same mile, since the earth in an ideal situation would be a dead zero ohm short between the 2 two towers.

Radiation dispersion
In standard broadcast the waves pass and keep going, how much power you get is dependent on how big your antenna is, whereas with tesla its dependent on the amount of power your tank is capable of building up between them. Teslas system is captive, broadcast is not. For teslas the energy does not escape, it is received and sent (reflected) right back to the transmitter as a result of resonance contrary to the standard broadcast rig which continues to infinity.

https://i.imgur.com/w51tmJB.png


In broadcast the transistor (or spark doesnt matter) directly drives a resonant rod that is cut to 1/4 wavelength, its for all intents and purposes a power driven tankless output which is decoupled from the receiver, hence will not transmit 'power', only information. I was severely ridiculed, ostracized and branded as an ignorant heretic who had the audacity to defy god because I didnt buy the wooden nickels or waste my time in an exercise of futility with this frivolous challenge which is why no one has seen much of me around here or any other overunity forum for the last several years. I assure you that no one has or will ever light a several watt incandescent bulb in the 'far field' (like you can with the tesla desgn) from a standard broadcast tower with a standard receiving tuning coil or tesla type coil arrangement tuned to its broadcast frequency unless they are transmitting 5 billion terrajiggawatts in which case you would not be able to place your receiving antenna near it without being nuked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5cYgRnfFDA The only thing the 2 designs have in common is they are both 1/4 wavelength. Now if we jump back to stifflers work, he is taking a -70dbm (presumably a signal) and magnifying it to light I think he got as high as 28 leds with it, definitely 1, with no power source connected, and its been replicated.

Begs the question, and I will leave you with this thought.....what if we had a wardencliffe driven by an equally sized stiffler circuit :thinking: :D

Unfortunately its the main objective of governments and profiteers et al, to insure and enforce commercial intercourse. (at 'any' cost) and one way to accomplish that is lead people down a path of failure so they dismiss the whole concept, and I am almost too old to care. Probably not the response you expected. :peacesmiley:

dR-Green
04-05-2018, 12:43 PM
Well, there's no polite way to say this so I'll just cut to the chase - Konstantin Meyl is absolutely wrong. A transmitter and receiver is not two halves.

Tesla gives one description, Meyl gives another. It works like Tesla says it works, no more pondering necessary. That is absolutely obvious to anyone who uses it, there's no possibility of coming to false conclusions unless one is literally blind to the truth of what's right in front of their eyes. Throw the Meyl books in the trash where they belong, he's only causing people to be confused.

How does Tesla's hand pump analogy to describe the operation of his own system fit with the false information that Meyl is spreading?

http://galaksijanova.rs/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Slika-4-e1486468581468.jpg

The information is modulated power.

Teslas transmitter was not intended or designed to 'radiate' an infinitely 'expanding' wave front where the output disperses decreasing by the square of the distance, it was designed to resonate between the 2 halves which allows for nearly complete power transfer between them with very minor losses.

It's designed for 1/4 wave resonance, period. The transmitter is the 1/4 wave resonator. A receiver is a separate 1/4 wave resonator. Did everyone forget that Tesla's Colorado Springs experiments consisted of a 1/4 wave TRANSMITTER? Where was the receiver to make up the other half of the circuit? Where was the other half of Wardenclyffe? You don't need a receiver to make the transmitter transmit, it works independently. You don't even need a resonant receiver to receive said energy near the earth terminal of the transmitter, you can plug your diodes directly into the earth and the earphone works.

The amount of power received is not a matter of the amount of space or air or distance between the transmitter and the load. For those who don't listen to Meyl, it's no surprise at all that what determines the amount of power received is ONLY the distance between the GROUND TERMINAL of the transmitter and the load. The load doesn't care how far away the transmitter is in space, it only cares about the ground terminal.

It's not one half of a complete circuit. It already IS a complete circuit. It's a single wire transmission system. The transmitter and receiver are merely transformers. What is the purpose of transformers in the existing power distribution network? ...

This mode of conveying electrical energy to a distance is not 'wireless' in the popular sense, but a transmission through a conductor, and one which is incomparably more perfect than any artificial one. All impediments of conduction arise from confinement of the electric and magnetic fluxes to narrow channels. The globe is free of such cramping and hinderment. It is an ideal conductor because of its immensity, isolation in space, and geometrical form. Its singleness is only an apparent limitation, for by impressing upon it numerous non-interfering vibrations, the flow of energy may be directed through any number of paths which, though bodily connected, are yet perfectly distinct and separate like ever so many cables. Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.

dR-Green
04-05-2018, 02:33 PM
Bulb In Water - Mini Tesla "Test Coil" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq7xSG91YCg)

Tesla Magnifying Transmitter - Colorado Springs Scale Model 1860 kc - Single Wire & Wireless Light - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDU5Pe9wr8g)

Also note what happens at 3:15

Kokomoj0
04-06-2018, 03:06 AM
Well, there's no polite way to say this so I'll just cut to the chase - Konstantin Meyl is absolutely wrong. A transmitter and receiver is not two halves.

Tesla gives one description, Meyl gives another. It works like Tesla says it works, no more pondering necessary. That is absolutely obvious to anyone who uses it, there's no possibility of coming to false conclusions unless one is literally blind to the truth of what's right in front of their eyes. Throw the Meyl books in the trash where they belong, he's only causing people to be confused.

How does Tesla's hand pump analogy to describe the operation of his own system fit with the false information that Meyl is spreading?

http://galaksijanova.rs/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Slika-4-e1486468581468.jpg

The information is modulated power.



It's designed for 1/4 wave resonance, period. The transmitter is the 1/4 wave resonator. A receiver is a separate 1/4 wave resonator. Did everyone forget that Tesla's Colorado Springs experiments consisted of a 1/4 wave TRANSMITTER? Where was the receiver to make up the other half of the circuit? Where was the other half of Wardenclyffe? You don't need a receiver to make the transmitter transmit, it works independently. You don't even need a resonant receiver to receive said energy near the earth terminal of the transmitter, you can plug your diodes directly into the earth and the earphone works.

The amount of power received is not a matter of the amount of space or air or distance between the transmitter and the load. For those who don't listen to Meyl, it's no surprise at all that what determines the amount of power received is ONLY the distance between the GROUND TERMINAL of the transmitter and the load. The load doesn't care how far away the transmitter is in space, it only cares about the ground terminal.

It's not one half of a complete circuit. It already IS a complete circuit. It's a single wire transmission system. The transmitter and receiver are merely transformers. What is the purpose of transformers in the existing power distribution network? ... Ok lets clear some of these things up then.


First that appears to be an artists conceptual drawing and interpretation of what tesla is doing not something tesla would have drawn?

Would you explain what we are looking at here and its operation and if it differs how it differs and how it fits into the one transmitter no receiver required for the whole world concept:

http://www.teslaradio.com/images/image004.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/29/2e/6b/292e6b2e98ea814ae51b433fde3a5bb0.jpg
Arent both the above single wire transmission?

That looks like a single wire receiving coil to me?

it's no surprise at all that what determines the amount of power received is ONLY the distance between the GROUND TERMINAL of the transmitter and the load.Distance should not matter only conductivity. How does distance matter?

What do you believe is wrong with meyls explanation (and why) compared to teslas?



2.5 Experimental setup

To be able to observe possible feedback, the point of resonance must be found again first. This is adjusted, if on the receiver the major peak can be observed and the LED's shine most brightly. The experimental setup is in the first instance the same (like 1.5: The waveform generator is attached on one side over two shorting plugs to the couple coil. This tesla coil functions as transmitter. The cable connection is plugged at the outside end of both tesla coils and the waveform generator is attached to the wall power supply). After this is done the amplitude controller has to be fully untwisted (in the clockwise direction up to the limit stop) and the frequency is slowly adjusted with the frequency controller and the light emitting diodes at the receiver are thereby observed. If the major peak should not be able to be determined clearly, it is recommended to reduce the voltage with the amplitude controller. Thus the major peak appears no longer so bright, but can be distinguished clearly from the auxiliary peaks.

2.6 Carrying out the experiment

After finding the major peak, the amplitude controller is turned back so far that the light emitting diodes on the transmitter side do not shine any longer, while the light emitting diodes on the receiver side still shine. If the cable connection is carefully unplugged, the light emitting diodes installed onto the transmitter side shine again. The LED's, installed on the receiver side, extinguish.

2.7 Interpretation of experiment results

The same effect arises, if the frequency at the waveform generator is adjusted. In this case the receivers LED's go out, while the LED's at the transmitter light up, because the resonance frequency is left and therefore no more power arrives at the receiver.

The light emitting diodes on the transmitter side give information about the power taken off from any receivers. If the brightness changes if the ground wire is connected from the transmitter to a heating element, it can be examined whether unwanted receivers possibly exist. For example if the brightness decreases, if the experimenter touches the ground wire of the transmitter, he is now the receiver.

2.8 Conclusion

There is a feedback from the receiver to the transmitter, as can be observed here. With the transmission of radio waves no such feedback should be determined. Only with resonance between transmitter and receiver, scalar waves are developed. If the transmitter is unplugged or the generator frequency changes and leaves so the conditions of resonance, no more energy is transferred.

2.9 Consequences

Numerous interhuman effects are based on the principle shown in the feedback from the receiver to the transmitter. They are in this way for the first time physically modelled. At the same time it becomes clear that the as esoteric classified coherences are nothing else than scalar wave effects. These effects are wrongfully designated as para-science, because scalar waves are still unknown to the scientific world. The feedback shown in the experiment proves the existence of scalar waves!

https://my.ilstu.edu/~lmiones/Summer%20Research%20Academy/Scalar%20Wave%20Technology%20-%20Experimental-Kit%20for%20Electrical%20Scalar%20Waves%20%5BMeyl% 3B%202003%5D.pdf


What do you believe is misinformation from meyl? That the 2 coils can operate together in a long distance coupled fashion?

Teslas hand pump analogy is synonymous with the huge circulating currents that can be built up in a tank circuit, and the earth is in his design is part of a gargantuan tank circuit which can build up gargantuan currents.

What did tesla mean by 'with a self-inducting' coil? What kind of coil is that?

Any apparatus, then, which can be operated through one or more wires, at distances obviously limited, can likewise be worked without artificial conductors, and with the same facility and precision, at distances without limit other than that imposed by the physical dimensions of the globe.all I see this quote referring to is wireless not receiverless? How did you derive receiverless? I have no issues with your saying it works without a receiver, but then I can get flourescents to light up near a cb stick antenna too. Nothing special.

So I agree 'in part', that part being that the TMT can operate by itself with things close by, however as you can see from meyls experiments that when he turns on the receiver it completely pulls down the transmitter, hence a coupling effect that is impossible to get in a standard broadcast situation, because in a standard broadcast situation you can have a trillion antennas receiving the signal with no pull down of the transmitter. Please explain How you made your conclusions.

Have you taken your light bulbs a mile away? I need a plethora of full explanations to supprt what you are saying so I hope you have the tenacity to respond to all these questions/points I am making without skipping any, I have no problem what so ever with blunt, I am the king of blunt :peacesmiley:

Buddhafollower
04-06-2018, 06:25 AM
Good day,
What i really don't understand is why do people use such high frequencies (example: 1860K cycles/second, 560kcycles/s etc.) when Dr.Tesla said very clearly that TMT works at frequencies from few to thousands of hertz. Actually, i think he said that the MT works at frequencies below 20KHz. I don't think that we nowadays have the true schematic diagram of the MT as Dr.Tesla intended it to be. What we have is the ''Apparatus for transmitting electrical energy'' patent No.1,119,732. That's all we have and this installation naturally won't work at frequencies below 20kHz. Even the way it is drawn shows that the frequency will be in the range of tens of kHz to few hundreds of kHz judging by the ratio of the resonator. But that installation is not the Magnifying Transmitter. It is yet another device for the transmission of electricity through the ground. Very useful indeed.

Kokomoj0
04-06-2018, 06:39 AM
Good day,
What i really don't understand is why do people use such high frequencies (example: 1860K cycles/second, 560kcycles/s etc.) when Dr.Tesla said very clearly that TMT works at frequencies from few to thousands of hertz. Actually, i think he said that the MT works at frequencies below 20KHz. I don't think that we nowadays have the true schematic diagram of the MT as Dr.Tesla intended it to be. What we have is the ''Apparatus for transmitting electrical energy'' patent No.1,119,732. That's all we have and this installation naturally won't work at frequencies below 20kHz. Even the way it is drawn shows that the frequency will be in the range of tens of kHz to few hundreds of kHz judging by the ratio of the resonator. But that installation is not the Magnifying Transmitter. It is yet another device for the transmission of electricity through the ground. Very useful indeed.

If you wanted to build one for massive power transfer you most likely would want to follow tesla in frequency and size etc. Most people are struggling with proof of concept and trying to comprehend what tesla did and how it works. For experimenters its much easier to get good results cheaply using higher freqs because you can make smaller less costly builds and get nearly identical results. At least the high current goes through the ground.

Buddhafollower
04-06-2018, 01:02 PM
In truth now, the flat spiral transformers are very good when you put a HF power amplifier and a signal generator. Then you go full wireless. The bigger the power stage, the better.
Nowadays we have not the technology to create massive power stages in the range of many millions of watts for those types of transformers. Humanity has a very poor education and an even poorer understanding of science. Not in vain prof. Dr. Dollard spent 10 years on the streets, homeless.
The HF transformer with resonator which many beliieve to be the Magnifying Transmitter (and which is not) i think works just like i said above: a frequency generator followed by a voltage amplifier, followed by a power amplifier of many megawatts. A power amplifier that can output many thousands of volts at hundreds of amps current and a proper waveform, probably a square wave will be the best. Then and only then we will be able to supply with electricity even a plane or, better, a spaceship or reasonable size, when the flying vehicle will have a receiver on board. Dr. Dollard should immediately look into this and pour his mathematical understanding into such a project.

Kokomoj0
04-06-2018, 02:06 PM
In truth now, the flat spiral transformers are very good when you put a HF power amplifier and a signal generator. Then you go full wireless. The bigger the power stage, the better.
Nowadays we have not the technology to create massive power stages in the range of many millions of watts for those types of transformers. Humanity has a very poor education and an even poorer understanding of science. Not in vain prof. Dr. Dollard spent 10 years on the streets, homeless.
The HF transformer with resonator which many beliieve to be the Magnifying Transmitter (and which is not) i think works just like i said above: a frequency generator followed by a voltage amplifier, followed by a power amplifier of many megawatts. A power amplifier that can output many thousands of volts at hundreds of amps current and a proper waveform, probably a square wave will be the best. Then and only then we will be able to supply with electricity even a plane or, better, a spaceship or reasonable size, when the flying vehicle will have a receiver on board. Dr. Dollard should immediately look into this and pour his mathematical understanding into such a project.

The TMT does not operate on the principle of a standard transformer in so far as transmission is concerned, but it does in so far as raising the voltage levels of the input, and if you are referring to epd, he is neither a professor nor does he have any kind of doctorate degree that I am aware of. Regardless of what people think of Meyl he is a professor and does have a doctorate and is a teacher with academic credits.

(Prof. Dr.-Ing Konstantin Meyl teaches the subjects power electronics and alternative energy technology at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen. The books with the title Potentialwirbel volume 1 (1990) and volume 2 (1992) have been awarded in 1994 with the technology price of the German society of EMV technology) Meyl - Scalarwave-Technology - The international website of www.k-meyl.de (http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=80_Meyl&page=1&sublevel=0)

Tesla did not have modern amplifiers to work with and there is none in his design. The 'Magnifying transmitter' is teslas description of the operation of his invention. A modern amplifier is not required, all you need for massive power is a massive generator and a spark gap, in fact a modern amplifier cant begin to approach the power levels of a generator and spark gap. Are you musing? :)

Buddhafollower
04-06-2018, 02:28 PM
I wish it was that simple...
''a massive generator and a spark gap''... are you really serious?? Do you even know that you need a SPECIFIC frequency for TMT or tthe flat spiral transformers? Do you understand that? What can I do with a spark gap? Unless the spark gap is one specifically designed so that it will have a rotating part with segments and it will charge and discharge a capacitor. The frequency produced will be a function of inductance in centimeters of the primary coil, capacitance of the capacitor, number of segments of the
rotating spark gap, the speed of the electric motor. That is one of Dr.Tesla's patents, a mechanical oscillator. There are even equations that can be used to create such an oscillator and the discharging circuit. The frequency produced is very specific, vary accurate, needless to say that such an oscillator is best when you want to transmit electricity through the ground to different distant locations.
Mr. Eric Paul Dollard is more than a simple electrical engineer. He is the brightest man i have seen since Dr.Tesla and Dr. Steinmetz.
What i said earlier is of great importance to me. Even someone who holds so many wrong views like Konstantin Meyl, demonstrated that using a power amplifier and a signal generator, one can transmit through the Aether electrical energy , without the use of a single wire. Think about an installation such as the ''Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy'' of Dr.Tesla, attaching a power stage of millions of watts, what we will be able to do. Power up space ships and entire cities with energy and the distribution system will be 100% immaterial. The Aether is immaterial. The only problem is that we don't have a power stage of millions of watts yet... and i profoundly doubt that the Government of USA will just stay with it's hands in it's pockets and let us play with such technologies. Hell, the death of John Bedini and his brother might have been an assassination.
Experiments have to be made, that's for sure. A flat spiral trafo. has two frequencies of resonance. At one of them, electricity goes through a wire or ground. At the other, if one has a power stage, from the transmitter to the receiver, electrical energy goes through the Aether in the form of a perturbation of longitudinal nature with instantaneous propagation. This small argument has a lot of weight and power in the scientific world. But nowadays ''scientists'' are a little more than apes with stone brains. Too bad, too bad. I'am really sorry.

Buddhafollower
04-06-2018, 02:57 PM
''Regardless of what people think of Meyl he is a professor and does have a doctorate and is a teacher with academic credits'' ---- aaaaa, so according to you, Meyl who is deluding himself and others too, has the right to teach others and Dr.Dollard who is a real scientist cannot. That's what you want to tell me. Right?

Kokomoj0
04-06-2018, 02:59 PM
''Regardless of what people think of Meyl he is a professor and does have a doctorate and is a teacher with academic credits'' ---- aaaaa, so according to you, Meyl who is deluding himself and others too, has the right to teach others and Dr.Dollard who is a real scientist cannot. That's what you want to tell me. Right?

But no one here knows that to be true until we are 'shown' it to be true. For all we know you simply hate meyl and wish to discredit him? Meyl teaches at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen and has written peer reviewed papers, which university does epd teach at and what does he teach that has been peer reviewed? Please give me something to hang my hat on here, anything?


Uhg, I thought I was bad with the edits :)

At the other, if one has a power stage, from the transmitter to the receiver, electrical energy goes through the Aether in the form of a perturbation of longitudinal nature with instantaneous propagation. This small argument has a lot of weight and power in the scientific world. But nowadays ''scientists'' are a little more than apes with stone brains. Too bad, too bad. I'am really sorry.Nothing known to man propagates 'instantaneously', that is impossible as far as we know.

Meyl has agreed with tesla however that the scalar wave is 1.5 times faster then the speed of light.


I wish it was that simple...
''a massive generator and a spark gap''... are you really serious?? Do you even know that you need a SPECIFIC frequency for TMT or tthe flat spiral transformers? Do you understand that? What can I do with a spark gap? Unless the spark gap is one specifically designed so that it will have a rotating part with segments and it will charge and discharge a capacitor. The frequency produced will be a function of inductance in centimeters of the primary coil, capacitance of the capacitor, number of segments of the
rotating spark gap, the speed of the electric motor. That is one of Dr.Tesla's patents, a mechanical oscillator. There are even equations that can be used to create such an oscillator and the discharging circuit. The frequency produced is very specific, vary accurate, needless to say that such an oscillator is best when you want to transmit electricity through the ground to different distant locations.
Mr. Eric Paul Dollard is more than a simple electrical engineer. He is the brightest man i have seen since Dr.Tesla and Dr. Steinmetz.
What i said earlier is of great importance to me. Even someone who holds so many wrong views like Konstantin Meyl, demonstrated that using a power amplifier and a signal generator, one can transmit through the Aether electrical energy , without the use of a single wire. Think about an installation such as the ''Apparatus for transmission of electrical energy'' of Dr.Tesla, attaching a power stage of millions of watts, what we will be able to do. Power up space ships and entire cities with energy and the distribution system will be 100% immaterial. The Aether is immaterial.
No one to date has pointed out much less actually 'shown' Meyl to be wrong in anything. Where do you get that from?

Meyl has 'demonstrated' and as far as I am concerned 'proven' by demonstration the transmission of power using a TMT experimentally so I am unable to determine 'exactly' what it is you think he is doing wrong? I proposed specific questions to Dr Green to that effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3dCRmwfZss

Above please refer to the lecture Meyl gave along with the accompanying demonstration. I have never seen 'any' demonstration from epd on the 'TMT' but I would like to if you can find one especially if he made one that proves meyl wrong. If you really want to get my attention maybe you can get epd to demonstrate for us how to light a 100 watt incandescent bulb far field with a crystal radio and standard resonating rod broadcast radio station as the source?

You have not responded to the questions I asked Dr Green here in post 71 http://www.energeticforum.com/309380-post71.html pertaining to where Dr Green believes meyl is wrong, so it seems you may be talking about something completely different?

Buddhafollower
04-06-2018, 05:10 PM
The propagation of light through the Cosmic Aether is instantaneous. Light has no speed.
Indeed, Dr.Tesla said that through an inductor which has an inductance and a natural capacitance between the turns such as a flat spiral transformer, the current travels at a certain speed. This speed is given by a mathematical law. The speed will depend on certain things in the circuit, such as inductance and natural capacitance. This is the speed of a Transverse Electro-Magnetic current. This type of electric current indeed has a speed. On the other hand, the Longitudinal Magneto-Dielectric current propagates instantaneously, meaning the constant 186,000 miles/second has nothing to do with this. Einstein of course said nothing about such an electric current and therefore it is not accepted by the clergy with stone brains.
'' Meyl teaches at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen and has written peer reviewed papers'' --- so not only that he is deluding himself, now others just like him are working at the same delusion. How can blind people see light? At least he brought me some benefits by showing the working patent of Dr.Tesla, the true genius. I remember that i saw one video of Mayl on YT platform and he talked about some particles like ''neutrinos'' and some sub atomic particles which are all garbage and on this nowadays ''science'' relies upon. Meyl's colleagues go on ranting about how the Aether is an illusion and ''pseudoscience'' and so on. How can someone believe such things? Have you even heard about the book ''The manufacture and selling of saint Einstein''?? You give me your e-mail address and i send this book to you.

Buddhafollower
04-06-2018, 05:16 PM
In this world the Truth never belonged to the mainstream. Only few courageous people who dared to confront the world found the Truth. The mob is easily indoctrinated and manipulated by the leaders. I rely not on ''the scientific community'' for it is full of mad man and mad women.

dR-Green
04-06-2018, 05:49 PM
First that appears to be an artists conceptual drawing and interpretation of what tesla is doing not something tesla would have drawn?

I don't think Tesla personally drew that image, but it's from an article which he wrote.

Imagine the earth to be a bag of rubber filled with water, a small quantity of which is periodically forced in and out of the same by means of a reciprocating pump, as illustrated. If the strokes of the latter are effected in intervals of more than one hour and forty-eight minutes, sufficient for the transmission of the impulse thru the whole mass, the entire bag will expand and contract and corresponding movements will be imparted to pressure gauges or movable pistons with the same intensity, irrespective of distance. By working the pump faster, shorter waves will be produced which, on reaching the opposite end of the bag, may be reflected and give rise to stationary nodes and loops, but in any case, the fluid being incompressible, its enclosure perfectly elastic, and the frequency of oscillations not very high, the energy will be economically transmitted and very little power consumed so long as no work is done in the receivers. This is a crude but correct representation of my wireless system in which, however, I resort to various refinements. Thus, for instance, the pump is made part of a resonant system of great inertia, enormously magnifying the force of the imprest impulses. The receiving devices are similarly conditioned and in this manner the amount of energy collected in them vastly increased.

The Hertz wave system is in many respects the very opposite of this. To explain it by analogy, the piston of the pump is assumed to vibrate to and fro at a terrific rate and the orifice thru which the fluid passes in and out of the cylinder is reduced to a small hole. There is scarcely any movement of the fluid and almost the whole work performed results in the production of radiant heat, of which an infinitesimal part is recovered in a remote locality. However incredible, it is true that the minds of some of the ablest experts have been from the beginning, and still are, obsessed by this monstrous idea, and so it comes that the true wireless art, to which I laid the foundation in 1893, has been retarded in its development for twenty years.

Famous Scientific Illusions | Tesla Universe (http://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/famous-scientific-illusions)

This is also why Meyl's coils work "inside shielding" as he calls it, but that's simply because the shielding is totally irrelevant and it's not doing anything, the energy isn't even trying to go that way. Like wearing sunscreen at night.



http://www.teslaradio.com/images/image004.jpg

This image is from the so-called "Rare Notes". Ernst has covered this more in the past and he's actively experimenting with such things in his impressive top secret facility ( TheMage00000 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMage00000/videos) ). Basically it shows a 3rd coil at the transmitter site with a discharge at the top terminal of the transmitter in to it like a giant spark gap. He's using it to try to maximise the activity on the ground terminal/in the ground. That 3rd coil isn't relevant to the basic working principle or theory, it's just to illustrate a certain possible configuration when looking for methods to improve upon the basic effect, because as he writes he had funding issues so had to come up with ideas to somehow get the lower frequencies he wanted without it being massive and costing millions.

Rare notes from Tesla on Wardenclyffe | Tesla Universe (http://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/rare-notes-tesla-wardenclyffe)

Arent both the above single wire transmission?

That looks like a single wire receiving coil to me?

Agreed.

What do you believe is misinformation from meyl? That the 2 coils can operate together in a long distance coupled fashion?

It's not that they "can't", they must do with the way he's using them. But that's only half the story. He's reflecting energy back and froth between the two terminals on the top of each coil via the coils, essentially. The transmitter is supposed to work like a 1/4 wave resonator should do independently, and that's it. He should be using some sort of ground plane, and the ground plane should be big enough that connecting the receiver doesn't have any effect on the (tuning of the) transmitter at all. Then the receiver works like an independent 1/4 wave resonator from the oscillations coming in to it via the earth/ground plane connection. The properties of the earth/ground plane should be so big that 1/4 wave resonance and tuning of each individual coil is maintained and nothing becomes two separated halves of one, or some harmonic frequency or such.

It's like you're jumping up and down in a swimming pool, and you're causing waves which propagate along the length of the pool, reflect off the far end and come back to you. Then someone drops a rubber duck into the water at the far end of the pool. The rubber duck starts to move up and down on the waves that you created on the other end. The duck isn't a requirement of a waving pool, it's just oscillating in unison with the waves you create. So in this way it's easy to see how a SINGLE TERMINAL/single wire transmission system works, why any coil can be "shielded" with a Faraday cage or isolated "in space" as long as it's connected (or coupled) to the earth so the oscillations can enter, and why Tesla used a hydraulic hand pump analogy, because it describes perfectly what's happening. There's no need for any of Meyl's theories on it, coupling through the air doesn't even enter one's mind because it's clear that's not what's happening.

Distance should not matter only conductivity. How does distance matter?

I don't know, there's a lot to be experimented with in that area. It's a lot more problematic than the stuff that's above ground because there's no easy way to put a lot of metal underground. What I can say is when using two diodes as an AV plug, an LED can be lit from lightly touching the "input" wire on the earth near the earth terminal of the transmitter, and the power diminishes with distance. When using a receiver coil, the received power can be varied through adjusting the depth of a copper pipe that's being used as the receiver ground terminal. And the same applies when holding a bulb in the bucket of soil. Depth is very important and the power varies significantly even if the distance remains the same.

As for Meyl, in one breath he says the energy is going from one coil to another through the wire, and then he puts a metal box in between them and proclaims "the energy can't be shielded". Well no, he just said so himself, the energy is going through the wire. Doesn't take a genius to then figure out why "it can't be shielded" with a piece of metal between them ;) He contradicts himself right there and apparently doesn't even notice, or at least doesn't remind everyone of the importance of the wire in that situation. He's promoting the space between the coils as having significance, when it doesn't. It's all about the wire which he forgot about in the space of 30 seconds.

He also seems oblivious to the effect that putting his hand near the capacitance terminal of the coil would have on the tuning. He calls putting his hand near it "shielding" because the output of the LED diminishes when he puts his hand there. I call it "detuning", because that's exactly what it is. My coil does it when I walk within 2 metres. I can also stand between the transmitter and receiver and nothing happens at all, because I'm not close enough to affect the tuning of either one, and the energy is going through the wire that I have connecting them, so my standing there doesn't make any difference. Same experiment, different results - because I'm aware that holding my hand 10cm away from the coil is obviously going to have an effect, as are many others who have ever built a Tesla coil. So why someone as intelligent as Meyl doesn't realise or acknowledge this basic fact is anyone's guess. What's the reason for claiming that he's shielding the transmission?

He just seems to have this idea that the air/space plays a role, so he's coming up with explanations that fit inside that even at the cost of being full of easily identifiable contradictions. Maybe he's correct within a certain context, but as I've said before, if Meyl wants to describe what Meyl does, then good for him. But if Meyl is describing what Tesla did, then he's totally wrong and he's spreading false information.

What did tesla mean by 'with a self-inducting' coil? What kind of coil is that?

Where was that written? It might depend on context but usually it just means a normal inductor/coil, or maybe one with relatively high inductance.

all I see this quote referring to is wireless not receiverless? How did you derive receiverless? I have no issues with your saying it works without a receiver, but then I can get flourescents to light up near a cb stick antenna too. Nothing special.

It's basically just high frequency AC. The difference is this isn't about energising gas in an RF field, this is passing current through a filament and causing it to heat up. The receiverless works because the earth becomes "energised", like the waves in the swimming pool above. If you connect certain loads that don't need tuning then energy will flow through it. That's illustrated by the diagram talking about plugging bulbs directly into the earth, and the same experiment which you probably know about that Tesla is said to have done. It certainly works with a bucket of soil, and the soil "radiates" enough energy to light a neon bulb and fluorescents. I would expect the exact same effect happens with the earth itself when more power is used because I've been able to light LEDs and hear my own transmission through a crystal earpiece in my garden.

Probably the most curious thing of all is why should the energy want to flow from "ground" to an elevated piece of metal, or human body, and do work in the process, when it seems so much easier to just not do any of it.

Can you see what's happening at 7:00 in my video clearly enough? The energy is going from the ground end of the coil to a 20cm length of 6mm diameter stainless steel rod pushed in the plastic bucket of soil. A stainless steel bowl is placed next to the bucket and is connected to one terminal of a bulb, and the other terminal is connected to a larger stainless steel bowl. Energy flows from the soil, couples with the small bowl, for some reason wants to also flow to the bigger bowl, so much so that it goes through the resistance of the filament causing it to heat up and produce light. Adding bigger pieces of metal on the far end of the filament will cause even more energy to flow through and light even brighter. Meanwhile, the bucket of soil itself is resting on a concrete floor at ground level and is most likely coupling to the earth also, so not optimal conditions for doing an isolated experiment.

dR-Green
04-06-2018, 05:50 PM
So I agree 'in part', that part being that the TMT can operate by itself with things close by, however as you can see from meyls experiments that when he turns on the receiver it completely pulls down the transmitter, hence a coupling effect that is impossible to get in a standard broadcast situation, because in a standard broadcast situation you can have a trillion antennas receiving the signal with no pull down of the transmitter. Please explain How you made your conclusions.

That's exactly what you don't want. That's probably because he's connecting his coils directly without an adequate amount of grounding by default, so he's changing the tuning of his transmitter when he connects his receiver. By that I mean, the transmitter should be tuned with some constant base reference. You don't want the resonant frequency changing when someone adds a load. Hence if it's connected to the earth or a big capacitance that pulls the frequency down to what I'll call "natural", then connecting the relatively tiny capacitance of the receiver won't have any effect on the tuning of the transmitter. That's why one should use a ground plane and why I use the bucket of soil, it more accurately simulates a fixed reference grounding than having floating resonant frequencies which always vary depending on what you happen to have connected at the time. And to add to that, if you're building an optimised transmitter OR receiver, you don't want one interfering with the other because you won't have a clue what's going on in either one. When the transmitter properly transmits, then you can connect a receiver and work on that part to make it receive properly. But then that's the whole point of the CRI, the coil is the same. You build it for x frequency, tune it to x frequency, then it will transmit or receive at x frequency. Give or take the differences your supply/load circuit has on the tuning. Whether or not one can light a 100w bulb remains to be seen because a radio antenna is designed for the exact opposite purpose, but some portion of the energy must be sent through the earth regardless due to the way 1/4 wave resonance works, and they're transmitting 50-200kW if not more, so it's an interesting thing to find out.

Have you taken your light bulbs a mile away? I need a plethora of full explanations to supprt what you are saying so I hope you have the tenacity to respond to all these questions/points I am making without skipping any, I have no problem what so ever with blunt, I am the king of blunt

Not yet, but it will get done at some point. I'm going to have to bury a lot of copper pipes in the garden to be able to do that, as well as devise a high power amplifier. The 1860 kc CSTMT designs are the most popular so maybe one day we can get an experimental network started for doing all kinds of experiments in a variety of countries.

dR-Green
04-06-2018, 06:05 PM
I have never seen 'any' demonstration from epd on the 'TMT' but I would like to if you can find one especially if he made one that proves meyl wrong.

Including transmission and reception at 57 mins:

Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - A Lab Demonstration - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpoBZeOCcZo)

Receiving radio signal through a flat spiral coil connected to a fire hydrant at the beginning:

The Tesla-Marconi Wireless System - A Guided Tour - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0e84XyuTjo)

Buddhafollower
04-06-2018, 07:48 PM
@kokomoj0 Can you please show me where Konstantin Meyl built a ''Magnifying Transmitter''? Where is the video? i only know of one video in which he uses flat spiral trafo. Nothing about a trafo. with a resonator which people wrongly believe to be a MT.

dR-Green
04-06-2018, 09:13 PM
Good day,
What i really don't understand is why do people use such high frequencies (example: 1860K cycles/second, 560kcycles/s etc.) when Dr.Tesla said very clearly that TMT works at frequencies from few to thousands of hertz. Actually, i think he said that the MT works at frequencies below 20KHz. I don't think that we nowadays have the true schematic diagram of the MT as Dr.Tesla intended it to be. What we have is the ''Apparatus for transmitting electrical energy'' patent No.1,119,732. That's all we have and this installation naturally won't work at frequencies below 20kHz. Even the way it is drawn shows that the frequency will be in the range of tens of kHz to few hundreds of kHz judging by the ratio of the resonator. But that installation is not the Magnifying Transmitter. It is yet another device for the transmission of electricity through the ground. Very useful indeed.

The energy radiates more readily as frequency increases, and radiation isn't what one wants, and according to Tesla the earth conducts best between 20-35 kc. But it's highly unlikely that the average person is going to be able to build something on that scale because it would be huge and expensive, so something like 1860 kc scales it down to a manageable size while still achieving the same effects. The efficiency difference isn't as important because it's not meant to power the earth's population. Also one can only legally transmit within certain frequency bands with an amateur radio license, otherwise the communications regulations agencies will come looking for you.

griffin.adam.h@gmail.com
04-06-2018, 11:48 PM
I own one of Meyl's experimental kits (and extra parts I bought from his group to hook up multiple receivers), and confirmed his kit does transfer energy in a way we were never shown in Electrical Engineering school (I got an A in fields and waves class circa 1985). What Dr. Meyl says in his thick book which I purchased then read the whole thing, is correct based on my knowledge so far; I like how his vector math taught me the principle why vdivB is not zero as schooling incorrectly taught me divB is always zero (the v is also missing, I added that back in after doing the math myself). The I-V phase I do measure as 90deg in longitudinal mode both at transmit and receive ends where my measurements convinced me that all of the energy transfers to one or more receivers I connected (Meyl's kit operates at around 7MHz in longitudinal mode and around 4MHz in transverse mode). In the 180deg or transverse mode touching the receiver upsets and detunes the circuit, whereas I observe that the receiver when tuned in the kit's longitudinal mode does not care if I touch its scatteron (a scatteron is the metal globe). When I add my own halogen bulb on Meyl's receiver and drive Meyl's transmitter with a power amp the interaction is more complicated but Meyl's kit does light it up and create fields high enough to burn skin by touching it lightly (small surface area). I use a generator and power amp rather than Meyl's weak little generator included with his kit.

Dr. Meyl's kit does clearly demonstrate for me operation outside of the near-field lambda/6 in longitudinal mode ~7MHz. In transverse mode ~4MHz energy drops off rapidly as expected. I actually have a bunch of unpublished reports I wrote for myself documenting all the tests I did before embarking on making my own scaled-down version kit which works as hoped, and talks to Meyl's kit because (I designed mine to be the same as his frequency and it is close enough to interact with Meyl's). Thanks to Steve Jackson for helping me realize to alternatively use pulses instead of sine waves!

Dr. Meyl's kit does have quirks and I do believe there is something going on with atmospheric pressure to change its behavior somewhat. Too bad we do not have the appropriate electromagnetic simulator and are stuck with Ansoft HFSS and Maxwell that are not designed for longitudinal wave analysis from what I was able to learn working (training) with their engineers.

The main thing I learned that is not obvious with Dr. Meyl's kit, is the connecting wire needs to avoid coupling to earth or the kit does not transfer power at these very low voltages. I looked hard to see what Meyl was doing and I think he might have been stringing his connecting wire overhead in the gym photo I saw with a kit in there, to avoid its giving up the energy to the earth.

My suspicion is high voltage is required to break down the interface or work function between particles and make the earth into a wire, like Tesla intended. Alternatively my suspicion is an aquaduct is required at the transmitter wire as Tesla put a long shaft into the earth from my understanding. My experiment of placing copper wires into a grassy field where I tested Meyl's kit using a UPS floating supply, failed until the wire was lifted off the earth. I confirmed this again by placing copper strips on the concrete slab at my lab used as a connecting wire, where similarly the system fails to work and I have to lift the wire up off the earth to avoid coupling and losing the energy.

Adam Griffin, BSEE 1988 University of California San Diego

dR-Green
04-07-2018, 02:05 AM
The main thing I learned that is not obvious with Dr. Meyl's kit, is the connecting wire needs to avoid coupling to earth or the kit does not transfer power at these very low voltages. I looked hard to see what Meyl was doing and I think he might have been stringing his connecting wire overhead in the gym photo I saw with a kit in there, to avoid its giving up the energy to the earth.

My suspicion is high voltage is required to break down the interface or work function between particles and make the earth into a wire... My experiment of placing copper wires into a grassy field where I tested Meyl's kit using a UPS floating supply, failed until the wire was lifted off the earth. I confirmed this again by placing copper strips on the concrete slab at my lab used as a connecting wire, where similarly the system fails to work and I have to lift the wire up off the earth to avoid coupling and losing the energy.

Just to prove it's possible, or at least should be if he did it properly,

Power to primary coil = 32.6 mW peak / 23 mW RMS

A crystal earpiece is connected to the receiver like the diagram shows, and taped on to the microphone of the camera to hear what's being received:

Nikola Tesla Magnifying Transmitter - Wireless Telluric Transmission Of Energy - The Evidence Mk. 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIkPP8UyHY)

Earlier experiments lighting LEDs in (through) the garden with and without receiver. The power supply in both cases consists of a tiny surface mount op amp:

Tesla Wireless Telluric Transmission Test-01 - In The Snow - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D51NK6DtgxY)

Coupling to the earth does have a negative impact on output relative to isolated experiments, but even Meyl's coils should still be able to produce the effect at low voltages, it's just harder to see, and may take some tuning to find. But what I said above regarding grounding/ground plane applies exactly for this reason. In fact you may notice in the video that the wire connecting to the receiver picks up the signal from the earth without even being connected to the ground rod, because the wire is resting on the earth.

On the subject of Meyl's coils, does he mention anywhere what the conductor length on his coils is?

dR-Green
04-07-2018, 02:24 AM
More LEDs lit through the earth, this time using Colorado Springs coils. 2:30 = shielding?! :eek: (I'm standing between the transmitter and receiver, but the terminals can still see each other :confused: ). Sorry, I just find it totally bizarre that he thinks that effect is somehow a shielding or blocking of the transmission from one coil to another.

Tesla Wireless Power Transmission Colorado Springs Style - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOEKZ01VEU)

Kokomoj0
04-07-2018, 07:38 PM
More LEDs lit through the earth, this time using Colorado Springs coils. 2:30 = shielding?! :eek: (I'm standing between the transmitter and receiver, but the terminals can still see each other :confused: ). Sorry, I just find it totally bizarre that he thinks that effect is somehow a shielding or blocking of the transmission from one coil to another.

Tesla Wireless Power Transmission Colorado Springs Style - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGOEKZ01VEU)


Sorry for taking so long to get back, and double sorry that I forgot where tesla said it himself that a scalar wave is developed when you have a 'set' of coils. You can only run it in radiation mode as one coil. If you have not read this it documents many of teslas experiments with the results and logic behind his reasoning.

https://books.google.com/books?id=xMlnQQm_tgoC&pg=PA225&lpg=PA225&dq=tesla+selfinducting+coil&source=bl&ots=cF8kgXQXWt&sig=PC03mQn9HOOuQ9rWiZiQetBosO8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs1dW1qKfaAhVo4YMKHVhXDEkQ6AEIKzAA#v=on epage&q&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=xMlnQQm_tgoC&pg=PA225&lpg=PA225&dq=tesla+selfinducting+coil&source=bl&ots=cF8kgXQXWt&sig=PC03mQn9HOOuQ9rWiZiQetBosO8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs1dW1qKfaAhVo4YMKHVhXDEkQ6AEIKzAA#v=sn ippet&q=selfinduction&f=false)

for Meyl he is agreeing with tesla and did the shielding trick to prove tesla had a scalar wave through the ground. To do this he dropped the receiver voltage down so the leds would 'just' light up. Then he shielded it at both frequencies and at the scalar freq they stayed lit and at the Hz freq they died out.

If we agree that the TMtransmitter is the 'source' of energy then regardless of what happens with the frequency putting an increasing load on the receiver coil 'must' result in pulling more energy from the transmitter. I think he did this by connecting the ground between them. This will not happen with a standard broadcast transmitter.

Another problem I have is that everyone makes 'near field' measurements which are not valid. We have to be well greater than 1 wavelength with the receiver to insure here is no radiating em-interference. So for your device that would be upwards of 150 meters away.

Kokomoj0
04-07-2018, 08:42 PM
I own one of Meyl's experimental kits (and extra parts I bought from his group to hook up multiple receivers), and confirmed his kit does transfer energy in a way we were never shown in Electrical Engineering school (I got an A in fields and waves class circa 1985). What Dr. Meyl says in his thick book which I purchased then read the whole thing, is correct based on my knowledge so far; I like how his vector math taught me the principle why vdivB is not zero as schooling incorrectly taught me divB is always zero (the v is also missing, I added that back in after doing the math myself). The I-V phase I do measure as 90deg in longitudinal mode both at transmit and receive ends where my measurements convinced me that all of the energy transfers to one or more receivers I connected (Meyl's kit operates at around 7MHz in longitudinal mode and around 4MHz in transverse mode). In the 180deg or transverse mode touching the receiver upsets and detunes the circuit, whereas I observe that the receiver when tuned in the kit's longitudinal mode does not care if I touch its scatteron (a scatteron is the metal globe). When I add my own halogen bulb on Meyl's receiver and drive Meyl's transmitter with a power amp the interaction is more complicated but Meyl's kit does light it up and create fields high enough to burn skin by touching it lightly (small surface area). I use a generator and power amp rather than Meyl's weak little generator included with his kit.

Dr. Meyl's kit does clearly demonstrate for me operation outside of the near-field lambda/6 in longitudinal mode ~7MHz. In transverse mode ~4MHz energy drops off rapidly as expected. I actually have a bunch of unpublished reports I wrote for myself documenting all the tests I did before embarking on making my own scaled-down version kit which works as hoped, and talks to Meyl's kit because (I designed mine to be the same as his frequency and it is close enough to interact with Meyl's). Thanks to Steve Jackson for helping me realize to alternatively use pulses instead of sine waves!

Dr. Meyl's kit does have quirks and I do believe there is something going on with atmospheric pressure to change its behavior somewhat. Too bad we do not have the appropriate electromagnetic simulator and are stuck with Ansoft HFSS and Maxwell that are not designed for longitudinal wave analysis from what I was able to learn working (training) with their engineers.

The main thing I learned that is not obvious with Dr. Meyl's kit, is the connecting wire needs to avoid coupling to earth or the kit does not transfer power at these very low voltages. I looked hard to see what Meyl was doing and I think he might have been stringing his connecting wire overhead in the gym photo I saw with a kit in there, to avoid its giving up the energy to the earth.

My suspicion is high voltage is required to break down the interface or work function between particles and make the earth into a wire, like Tesla intended. Alternatively my suspicion is an aquaduct is required at the transmitter wire as Tesla put a long shaft into the earth from my understanding. My experiment of placing copper wires into a grassy field where I tested Meyl's kit using a UPS floating supply, failed until the wire was lifted off the earth. I confirmed this again by placing copper strips on the concrete slab at my lab used as a connecting wire, where similarly the system fails to work and I have to lift the wire up off the earth to avoid coupling and losing the energy.

Adam Griffin, BSEE 1988 University of California San Diego

Did you investigate the cause? I presume the wires were not insulated and you were not able to get your amp (a little larger current) to work either? A thought came to mind and its probably nothing, but was there any dc offset imposed on the ground line in either polarity?




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/United_States_Effective_Ground_Conductivity_Map.pn g

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_conductivity

Kokomoj0
04-07-2018, 09:17 PM
Including transmission and reception at 57 mins:

Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - A Lab Demonstration - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpoBZeOCcZo)

Receiving radio signal through a flat spiral coil connected to a fire hydrant at the beginning:

The Tesla-Marconi Wireless System - A Guided Tour - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0e84XyuTjo)


Sure I have seen both those videos, in both cases he is demonstrating that he can receive 'information' signals, nowhere does he light a bulb or demonstrate he can receive power. Meyl demonstrates power transfer.

dR-Green
04-07-2018, 10:10 PM
Sure I have seen both those videos, in both cases he is demonstrating that he can receive 'information' signals, nowhere does he light a bulb or demonstrate he can receive power. Meyl demonstrates power transfer.

The bulb is lit at 14:45

Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - A Lab Demonstration - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpoBZeOCcZo)

That's the same experiment as Meyl's, except Eric is using a spark gap and incandescent bulbs on his receiver, and Meyl is using a signal generator and LED. So he equals Meyl's demonstration as far as the basic circuit is concerned, except Eric is actually using a loading coil on the ground end of the flat spiral coils to ensure the correct mode of resonance and current and potential distribution so he's not being deluded by harmonic resonant frequencies, then he goes on to show more single wire stuff that Meyl does not, and never has done, or has ever talked about.

Eric then actually connects his transmitter to the earth, and receives the signal on the beach. So Meyl in no way shows what Eric doesn't. Meyl just shows power transfer through a wire to light an LED which is easy, which Eric also shows, and then a lot more. He's not attempting to show how much power can be received, only that it works. ... And he probably knows that he'd need more than a small sheet of metal resting in the sea water to receive a significant amount of power.

Aaron
04-08-2018, 12:43 AM
From about 10 years ago - one wire transmission of real power - charging a cap until it triggers a neon, which in turn triggers a SCR, which in turn dumps that capacitor into another capacitor just to prove the point. No claims on anything but obviously receiver circuit is not even needed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-I1FDuyMtw

Kokomoj0
04-08-2018, 03:31 AM
The bulb is lit at 14:45

Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity - A Lab Demonstration - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpoBZeOCcZo)

That's the same experiment as Meyl's, except Eric is using a spark gap and incandescent bulbs on his receiver, and Meyl is using a signal generator and LED. So he equals Meyl's demonstration as far as the basic circuit is concerned, except Eric is actually using a loading coil on the ground end of the flat spiral coils to ensure the correct mode of resonance and current and potential distribution so he's not being deluded by harmonic resonant frequencies, then he goes on to show more single wire stuff that Meyl does not, and never has done, or has ever talked about.

Eric then actually connects his transmitter to the earth, and receives the signal on the beach. So Meyl in no way shows what Eric doesn't. Meyl just shows power transfer through a wire to light an LED which is easy, which Eric also shows, and then a lot more. He's not attempting to show how much power can be received, only that it works. ... And he probably knows that he'd need more than a small sheet of metal resting in the sea water to receive a significant amount of power.

ok but there is a subtle but critical point being overlooked here. That experiment is flawed because its in the nearfield. In order to claim its been transmitted via scalar, (tesla style) it has to be done as a farfield measurement. Granted you will say hey wait a minute, I seen meyls demonstration and that was not far field. That was my first response as well. However meyl said in the university experiments it was done far field and worked. The reason farfield is so important is to insure your readings are not the result of transformer induction. All these kids on youtube that are fascinated with lighting light bulbs are summarily dismissed out of hand by academics because they do not understand how to properly measure 'stuff'. These are things any old ham operating that built his own antennas takes for granted, but some what a lost art and skill today. So all he proved is that a near field transmitter can light a bulb, and frankly I can (and did) do that with any hertz resonating rod as well when they are sitting side by side. See the problem? Now had he lit a light bulb at the lake under that bluff, several hundred feet away, I'd have raised my eyebrows and said 'cool', likewise with the peking radio experiment. I believe that was the station he tuned to?


https://i.imgur.com/hjivSDC.jpg

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318635091_ATTEMPTS_TO_DETECT_THE_TORSION_FIELD_NAT URE_OF_SCALAR_WAVE_GENERATED_BY_DUAL_TESLA_COIL_SY STEM


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Field_regions_for_typical_antennas_vector.svg/585px-Field_regions_for_typical_antennas_vector.svg.png


The above should be clarify why one would need to qualify a TMT using strictly far field measurements. Take note that Adam (the guy who bought meyls coil) also made a point to mention far field.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/72/a7/4e/72a74e094c019e679d0aff3758119c5e--ph.jpg

Kokomoj0
04-08-2018, 04:36 AM
From about 10 years ago - one wire transmission of real power - charging a cap until it triggers a neon, which in turn triggers a SCR, which in turn dumps that capacitor into another capacitor just to prove the point. No claims on anything but obviously receiver circuit is not even needed.



a spark is similar to an all frequency generator, so no matter what frequency your stuff oscillates at a spark is bound to find it, even if it doesnt the spark is charging the piece of wire which looks like an RLC circuit to the spark. The best way to understand this is to consider the effects of a resonating rod.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bDyA5t1ldU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iV_YICgifA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdulzEfQXDE


Then there is the problem you run into again like before is when you try to do this at a distance. You can hit your one wire with a spark and 10 miles away you wont even be able to measure it because all the energy will be lost before it reaches the other end. I have this recurring vision of a marriage between tesla and stiffler devices.

dR-Green
04-08-2018, 12:10 PM
Granted you will say hey wait a minute, I seen meyls demonstration and that was not far field.

Well I'd be lying if I said it wasn't going to come up at some point ;)

ok but there is a subtle but critical point being overlooked here. That experiment is flawed because its in the nearfield. In order to claim its been transmitted via scalar, (tesla style) it has to be done as a farfield measurement. Granted you will say hey wait a minute, I seen meyls demonstration and that was not far field. That was my first response as well. However meyl said in the university experiments it was done far field and worked. The reason farfield is so important is to insure your readings are not the result of transformer induction. All these kids on youtube that are fascinated with lighting light bulbs are summarily dismissed out of hand by academics because they do not understand how to properly measure 'stuff'. These are things any old ham operating that built his own antennas takes for granted, but some what a lost art and skill today. So all he proved is that a near field transmitter can light a bulb, and frankly I can (and did) do that with any hertz resonating rod as well when they are sitting side by side. See the problem? Now had he lit a light bulb at the lake under that bluff, several hundred feet away, I'd have raised my eyebrows and said 'cool', likewise with the peking radio experiment. I believe that was the station he tuned to?


https://i.imgur.com/hjivSDC.jpg

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318635091_ATTEMPTS_TO_DETECT_THE_TORSION_FIELD_NAT URE_OF_SCALAR_WAVE_GENERATED_BY_DUAL_TESLA_COIL_SY STEM


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Field_regions_for_typical_antennas_vector.svg/585px-Field_regions_for_typical_antennas_vector.svg.png


The above should be clarify why one would need to qualify a TMT using strictly far field measurements. Take note that Adam (the guy who bought meyls coil) also made a point to mention far field.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/72/a7/4e/72a74e094c019e679d0aff3758119c5e--ph.jpg

I don't believe for one second that Meyl transmitted anything through the earth far field, and lit an LED on the other end. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he used a wire and then proclaimed it a success. I can do that easily. I'll just go and buy a 200 metre roll of wire and connect up the transmitter and receiver. I can guarantee I'll be lighting LEDs as well as incandescent bulbs 200 metres away, and if not then I can just write it in a book and everyone will believe me anyway. But that won't prove anything to me, lighting LEDs through 200 metres of wire isn't a big deal even if there is only one wire. Removing the wire and using the earth is another matter. I don't count my own experiments as a success over distance if I'm using a wire, so I don't count Meyl's experiments either. One standard. Wires don't count. According to Adam, Meyl would have had difficulty even making it work with a wire resting on the ground, so I don't buy in to his rhetoric at all.

Anyway, I'm surprised you're happy using the term "scalar wave". I won't use it.

Kokomoj0
04-08-2018, 05:09 PM
Well I'd be lying if I said it wasn't going to come up at some point ;)

I don't believe for one second that Meyl transmitted anything through the earth far field, and lit an LED on the other end. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he used a wire and then proclaimed it a success. I can do that easily. I'll just go and buy a 200 metre roll of wire and connect up the transmitter and receiver. I can guarantee I'll be lighting LEDs as well as incandescent bulbs 200 metres away, and if not then I can just write it in a book and everyone will believe me anyway. But that won't prove anything to me, lighting LEDs through 200 metres of wire isn't a big deal even if there is only one wire. Removing the wire and using the earth is another matter. I don't count my own experiments as a success over distance if I'm using a wire, so I don't count Meyl's experiments either. One standard. Wires don't count. According to Adam, Meyl would have had difficulty even making it work with a wire resting on the ground, so I don't buy in to his rhetoric at all.

Anyway, I'm surprised you're happy using the term "scalar wave". I won't use it.

Well meyls device is a high frequency low power proof of concept device so substituting a piece of wire for the earth is legitimate to a high degree since the earth is used presumably used as a short circuit (but not to high frequencies) and a piece of wire reasonably fulfills that [short circuit] qualification, unlike the earth [also at high frequencies] though it fails as a storage device so there wont be much 'pumping' taking place, and tesla is using the planet as a capacitor inside another capacitor so to speak, a wire not so much. Again people need to keep in mind that meyl dropped the generator output down so it was just enough to light the leds.

That has to be part of the understanding and consideration of his experiment and also what must be taken into consideration is that meyl is using 7,000,000 cycles per second for the TMT frequency which I would not expect to go through the earth, remembering that tesla recommended around 35,000 cycles per second as optimum frequency for the earth. The earth as a conductor simply does not respond well (if at all) to higher frequencies and it simply absorbs them.

If you used a wire like his I would also dub your TMT a total success, and I have seen your work, I expect your coils would light bulbs at more than 2 wavelengths away, if not 2.25 wavelengths away calculated with the propagation delay in mind, however in so far as the so called challenge is concerned I maintain that is a wooden nickel and quantum failure therefore nothing more than a waste of time. Anyone doing these experiments can borrow a portable generator from a neighbor if they dont already have one, then drive down to the ocean where the sand is saturated, and for your frequency a spacing of about 350-375 meters apart to insure no one can point out its in the near field or transition zone and therefore not valid,

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/FarNearFields-USP-4998112.svg/571px-FarNearFields-USP-4998112.svg.png

then put a couple short ground rods in the salt water saturated sand and let er rip. That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt its not hertzian. You can be the first to prove that concept! I am not aware of anyone who has done that right so far except meyl and his frequency is too high to use through the earth. Im not sure if your frequency is low enough but it might work?

No one (except tesla) lit an incandescent bulb either by wire or earth in the far field. It would not shock me ot discover that a unit the size of teslas would be required to prove that but I have my doubts that is the case. Yes I do accept using a wire as justified for proof of concept, especially at the high frequencies everyone uses to reduce the size and cost requirements. Maybe a table top model of the proper frequency can sufficiently pump up the earth to get results, no one knows because it has not been done yet by anyone but tesla who used a full scale model and if you know anyone who has please post the link! I cant comment too much on meyls unit not working with the wire on the ground but my best guess is that using such a high freq its simply dissipated by parasitic losses and failure to excite the medium in the same way a picosecond pulse wont even budge a 100 henry coil. Yours would be considered a low voltage unit to teslas as meyls would be considered a low voltage unit compared to yours.

Like Adam I can imagine certain things going on that could cause that starting with the high freq and such a low voltage being transmitted, I think its 2 volts, I was surprised to discover that even worked, it does not surprise me that parasitic losses eat such a small signal up, just like they would a low voltage pulse over a 10 mile long wire as another example.

If you lit a bulb with a 350-375 meter wire between your T/R, I would absolutely dub your TMT as a total success! Sure I have a problem with the word scalar, but nothing like the problem I have with einsteins time dilation '[meta]physics' and lot of other physics concepts that are accepted despite being wholly misrepresented and jammed down everyones throat simply because some dorkweed was able to build mathematical system (circular reasoning fallacy) around it. Which is not to say it does not come out with correct answers in the 'narrowest' sense, in the wider scope its total bs. One of the most laughable is getting younger than someone who is presumed stationary as one approaches the speed of light. That to this day has me in stitches! :rofl:

The main concern I have for your rig is that your frequency is substantially on the high side to use the earth as a conductor for far field operation and the energy may very well be eaten up by parasitic losses.

Proper testing is the most difficult part of any project and as an example here are some of the problems one can expect to encounter with long distance transmission of energy either through wire or the ground. https://d-nb.info/1106113144/34 and:
Through-the-Earth (TTE) signalling is a type of radio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio) signalling used in underground mines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining) and caves (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave) that uses low-frequency waves to penetrate dirt and rock, which are opaque to higher-frequency conventional radio signals.
In mining, these higher-frequency signals can be relayed underground through various antennas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_%28radio%29), repeater (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeater) or mesh configurations, but communication is restricted to line of sight to these antenna and repeaters systems.

Overview

Through-the-Earth transmission can overcome these restrictions by using ultra-low frequency (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_low_frequency) (300–3000 Hz) signals, which can travel through several hundred feet of rock strata. The antenna cable can be located on the surface only at a mine site, and provide signal coverage to all parts of the underground mine. The antenna may be placed in a "loop" formation around the perimeter of the mine site (or wherever coverage is needed) for systems using magnetic fields to carry signals. Systems that use electric fields as the signal carrier are not subject to this limitation. Transmissions propagate through rock strata which is used as the medium to carry the ultra-low-frequency signals. This is important in mining applications, particularly after any significant incident, such as fire or explosion, which would destroy much of the fixed communication infrastructure underground.


If the terrain makes a loop surface antenna impractical to install, then the antenna can be installed underground or a non-magnetic field type carrier may be used. But because the signal travels through rock, the antenna does not need to run into all parts of the mine to achieve mine wide signal coverage, thus minimizing the risk of damage during an incident. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through-the-earth_mine_communications
So there is always the possibility your design frequency is too high for far field propagation through the earth? the last couple links do not directly apply but one can get a larger overview of the scope they are dealing with imo.

I should add that the reason this is important, that is measuring 2+ wavelengths from the transmitter is that it 'absolutely' insures there is no transformer type 'induction' between the transmitter and receiver coils. The reason all these tesla transmitter tests that you see out here are invalid is because no one takes that into account. Like so many claimed OU devices, they dont take proper measurements, or dont know how to properly measure their devices.

Heres another kid thinks he has overunity, but its nothing more than failure to measure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=303&v=h1gMnh1jLi4

The takeaway point from his video is when he takes the field meter and walks over 20 feet from the coil he still gets a reading, hence the need to be >2 wavelengths away from the source to insure its 'transmission' and not induction.